This just in from TJ Hart - Jan Barrett
Six-year-old Haleigh Cummings was taken from her Satsuma, FL home in Hermit’s Cove nearly 11 months ago in the middle of the night and we are no closer to finding her or knowing the actual events of that night than were then.
Let us take you back to that night….
* VIDEO/Transcript: The 911 Call from FOX News Channel
* AUDIO/Text Police Radio (Audio) Transmissions and Transcript
* VIDEO: Sheriff Jeff Hardy
* VIDEO: WSKY Asks Major Gary Bowling About The Updated Amber Alert and Asks About Misty’s Alleged Whereabouts
* VIDEO: The Nancy Grace Recap
Most of what has followed has included a variety of sideshows including:
* The marriage and divorce of Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, and babysitter Misty Croslin
* VIDEO: The discovery of Misty’s partying and her party pals the weekend before Haleigh was abducted
* Various fights, arguments and incarcerations of the Croslin clan
Some of what has followed did make news as the search for the child continued:
* The Draining of The Pond at The Mondex
* A Jail House Letter
Now, many people are anxious for answers and are even calling on the various law enforcement agencies to make an arrest in the disappearance of this little girl. Investigators claim that it difficult to do with the very little evidence they have.
A devoted follower of this case wrote a letter to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office that according to the Florida Sunshine Laws, as this person understood it, meant the agency was required to provide more information to the public than what has been given so far.
This is the response this person received from PCSO:
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackThanks for this news. IMO its needs to be out here to show that LE has not done a darn thing imo of course. Thanks Jan for posting this and Thanks to TJ for this article. Pray that someone gets to the bottom of this. Wheres Haleigh LE ???? all this is in my opinion only.
I don’t get this at all. The letter states they have only been investigating this case for 4 and a half months. What the hell have they been doing for the other six or seven months, picking their collective noses?
They IMO are clueless. If they had a viable suspect, an arrest would have already been made.
I would love to know what the statute of limitations is before whatever “evidence” they have Must be released.
Should be an interesting program in about half an hour.
Wrapitup,
This is what i have been trying to tell you. But i cant say that LE are clueless. IMO they know my freind.
TJ do you have a copy of the letter that the person sent to PCSO that Greenwood was responding to?
Between Dallas and Fort Worth
I heard an exact letter went out like this in August to someone else..guess PCSO forgot to edit the part about how long they’ve been investigating?????
Pagan, between Dallas & FW WHAT???? LOL.
Between Dallas and Fort Worth? I sent them an e-mail about it awhile back. She’s being held as a slave by some guy named David Knox.
He’s non-descript, family around. But guess what? He’s the little f***** that took Haleigh!
I think he’s in his late 40’s. He might be a trucker too. Enough of my shamanism.. stay thirsty my friends.. oh, but feel free to check out David Knox in the area I gave. There can only be so many David Knox’s in the world, let alone in that area.
JE
Him…does this call my “extaordinary” skills into play? Can I play…Huh..HUH???
Pagan72, could you please kindly define “shamanism” for those of us here who might possibly be clueless as to the definition?
I went ahead and looked it up here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism
Are you from Siberia?
No matter, all I know is that it would be very sad to find that anyone would be playing games when it involves the safety and well being of a Child.
(Where I come from we call certain folks that claim to be shamans “Shameons” Not saying that you are but, I sure hope that you are not one of them.)
…Just saying.
Tuff Stuff,
There may be other definitions but practicing Shamanism is for healing and enlightenment in any situation. Ceremonial it includes or can include rhythmic music, mind altering drugs and mythic journeys into the subconscious.
Tuff Stuff,
Thanks, seems you and I replied at the very same time. I think the party playing games in this situation is LE. Of course my opinion only, but after reading the letter from PCSD I wonder just what have they been doing for the last 7 months? Exactly which part of the last 10 months was spent on finding HaLeigh? Everyday more and more confusion. Beginning to think PCSD must think we are all stupid… well they should think again and never underestimate the power of unity!
“They can treat illness and are capable of entering supernatural realms to obtain answers to the problems of their community.”
That is the key statement of the definition. However, there will always be those who believe another way and will insist that their way is correct. I hope Haleigh is found, no matter how it is brought about.
I know a RSO who comes from that area of Texas. I have also found a possible friend of his who is also a RSO that also lived in that area of Texas. They both lived in that area of Dallas around the same time. They both were arrested in Florida for similar offenses, child porn, both served the same amount of time at the same jail, released within days of each other.
Maybe this particular RSO had a friend from Texas come visit him, similar to what Couey did.
Pagan72 said,in December 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pm Between Dallas and Fort Worth? I sent them an e-mail about it awhile back. She’s being held as a slave by some guy named David Knox.
He’s non-descript, family around. But guess what? He’s the little f***** that took Haleigh!
I think he’s in his late 40’s. He might be a trucker too. Enough of my shamanism.. stay thirsty my friends.. oh, but feel free to check out David Knox in the area I gave. There can only be so many David Knox’s in the world, let alone in that area.
JE
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I have heard this name before somewhere. Who is he and how did you learn about him????
iowamom,
I respectfully disagree to most of what you had to say.
And in regards to what you said last,
The abuse of the power of unity can also result in an adversely negative affect and influence in general. It’s common sense.
The “popular” vote is not always the “right” vote when all is said and done.
What would you have to say if and when you found out that LE had and has been all along doing everything within the confines of the definition of the laws to find Haleigh Cummings?
Again,
Just saying…
AnneinTn,
That same post suggestion was posted on other boards.
Tuff Stuff said,in December 20th, 2009 at 7:46 pm iowamom,
I respectfully disagree to most of what you had to say.
And in regards to what you said last,
The abuse of the power of unity can also result in an adversely negative affect and influence in general. It’s common sense.
The “popular” vote is not always the “right” vote when all is said and done.
What would you have to say if and when you found out that LE had and has been all along doing everything within the confines of the definition of the laws to find Haleigh Cummings?
Again,
Just saying
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And I agree with IowaMom.
When this all is over I feel that LE has been in on this from the beginning. IMO Its a waiting game now.
If I read the letter correctly they were referring the 4 & 1/2 months of investigating to the case they referenced Bay County Sheriff’s Office not HaLeigh’s case. FWIW
Pagan72 said,in December 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pm Between Dallas and Fort Worth? I sent them an e-mail about it awhile back. She’s being held as a slave by some guy named David Knox.
He’s non-descript, family around. But guess what? He’s the little f***** that took Haleigh!
I think he’s in his late 40’s. He might be a trucker too. Enough of my shamanism.. stay thirsty my friends.. oh, but feel free to check out David Knox in the area I gave. There can only be so many David Knox’s in the world, let alone in that area.
JE
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Can u prove this Pegan?????????????
Tuff Stuff,
If when all is said and done and LE has proven they did everything by the book and the case is solved, I will be the first to apologize. Until then they remain under suspicion by their own actions.
I think you misunderstood my comment about unity. I meant the power of us all here on this blog working together! or not…
So how did this person, Don K., know of Haleigh and know where she lived if this person lives in North Tx?
Ooops, meant Dave. I was thinking of Don Knopps, Kim P’s brother in law.
As I wrote before…anyone can write any crazy thing they want on a blog, and some do.
ok who is this David Knox character, and why is he suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance? Good morning all.
Ok….Maybe someone should take a look. Just to see….I’lll be back
Well if the 4 and a half months was in reference to the case quoted in the letter and not Haleigh’s case then it seem to me that he chose the wrong case to quote as there is a good bit of difference between 4 and a half months and 10 months
Well if the 4 and a half months was in reference to the case quoted in the letter and not Haleigh’s case then it seem to me that he chose the wrong case to quote as there is a good bit of difference between 4 and a half months and 10 months
Sorry for the double post : )
Pagan72 gives a key clue here: they said “enough of my shamanism”. David Knox is a name Pagan72 obviously came up with through shaman work. Think spiritual psychic.
So, that said, David Knox either doesn’t exist, or is an innocent person having fingers pointed at them and if the person exists, BNN could be held liable for letting the accusation of having and harming Haleigh stay on the site. Heck, even the Montel Williams show knew better than to allow names to be aired when Sylvia Browne would accuse people with her psychic skills.
I wanted to add: I don’t believe in any of that stuff… heck I think Sylvia Browne is one the biggest frauds in the media. BUT even if you do believe in it, it doesn’t give you the right to put names out there like that with such serious criminal accusations.
Crayfish, while you might be right. What I have located so far leads me to believe that it is a symbolic name. This often happens with “dreamwork, shamanism, mediation” the vision conations symols and symbolic words or happenings.
I believe that it is a narrowing down of what area she might be in. What I have found so far is> No living names, addressess, or info…so don’t freak out.
Jim Wheat’s POSTMASTERS & POST OFFICES OF TEXAS, 1846 - 1930
POSTMASTER INDEX
“K”
Knox, David L. (Jack)
Knox, David S. (Houston) http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~txpost/pmindexk.html
I have also seen many historical references to these names. so…
Either is is a big goosechase and we just caught on early, or it is a narrowing down of space. Houston County or Jack County TX
Maybe….
I have my own theory of what happened and it goes along the same line as what TJ talks about on the program. The only difference is ,
I believe Tommy,Joe,and after the fact Misty are all involved in this in some way so they must keep quiet or go to jail for her death. I believe Haliegh surprised either Tommy or Joe
(orboth) while they entered the MH to rob it, she was quieted by a hand put over her mouth and with excitement and her asthma suffocated.
THIS IS JUST MY THEORY. Then they had to cover for each other and that is why there is no evidence (blood DNAetc.)Tommy was the only person there other than Misty after Ron left for work (he is sure the door was locked when he left for work). The rest is like TJ said about the gators, unless they can pressure someone to tell I cant see an end for this case. THIS AGAIN IS JUST MY THEORY ON THIS CASE.
Tobias, it does sound extremely plausable……I have made a reference to “country Boy Can Survive” before but aimed at someone else…which I now think your suspect fits that more.
There are a lot of David Knox’s in Texas.
What I have found so far about Pagan72’s post is: (No address or info on living persons, ok)
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~txpost/pmindexk.html
Jim Wheat’s POSTMASTERS & POST OFFICES OF TEXAS, 1846 - 1930
Knox, David L. (Jack)
Knox, David S. (Houston)
There are also many historical references to that name in that area (Houston/Ft Worth) Living Offspring
SO it is either a symbolic name that narrows the search area or seems to “back-up” the information given somehow. Like a D Know referrence seems to validate the Ft W/H area.
Or it’s a big tail chaser cause there is sooo much info out there…..you decide.
I hope if my theory is correct that LE can work out a deal of lesser sentence or immunity so someone in this bunch turns on the others.
The familys and Haliegh should have peace and justice. in my humble opinion.
Yes many historical references. Ex postmaster Generals from 1894-1930
Link keeps knocking my comment off…I’ll send if wanted.
Seems to be a narrowing of the search area via symbolic name reference. Houston County Area since that name was PMG of Houston & Jack County Tx Only differences are middle initial
So historical reference that backs up the city given? or tail chaser…it’s up to you.
Here’s a funny pagan72’s (just same screen name) on you tube…wonder if this is our pagan72 lol
http://www.youtube.com/user/Pagan72
http://www.youtube.com/user/Pagan72
But I think it’s more likely this person. I recognize that icon for some reason.
I keep asking myself, why was it so important for Misty to go back to Tennessee for those 2 weeks? She could have stayed with the friends she is with now, it was reported by Art Harris that when she first came back she stayed with Satamyer (the girl who was with her when she was robbed) why go to Tennessee where Joe also lives? Does anyone know if she had any contact with him while she was there? Or anyone he knows? JUST THROWING OUT WHAT IFS HERE…..
Also if the Cummings are so sure she has nothing to do with this why not just let her stay with them till she could drop the restraining order? I have a feeling the Cummings are not too friendly with Misty anymore and are very suspicious of her story.jmo
A few things about Gators. They do not eat when it is cold. Their bodies need the heat to digest the food, if it is cold and they eat the food will rot in their stomachs. Gators are very inactive during cold weather. When gators do eat large things they tear it apart, there would have been signs of that in the water.
Very nice photobucket too! Gorgeous Pagan pics.
Thank You and Happy Yule!
Hangon, Remember gators will store fresh kills under logs etc. before feeding. Just did research on them before and the temps were rising in Feb. and they were becoming very active after a long slow period.jmo
Hangon:
Thank you for that information! This is exactly what we need to be doing IMO. Throwing things out there and scientifically ruling them in or out based on verifiable information such as this.
Exactly what temp does an ali quit eating? Just curious, it could show us how dramatically the gator theory would be “off” or “on” by compaing that against outside temps for Satsuma/Palatka that night. Water temps being higher than outside air.
Thank you Tobias. Can we run down some video footage about that issue? Any local stations cover it? This is where I need to talk to the friends I made with the ST Ag that stayed at my hotel this year. I’ll try to email one of them to interview him about this subject.
“Alligators are often referred to as “cold-blooded” animals, a literal term, as they cannot automatically control their body temperatures. Being cold-blooded actually is a survival tactic because they don’t need to eat as much or as often as their warm-blooded counterparts.”
“Alligators are armed with 80 potentially lethal teeth, shaped like cones, making them perfect for both grabbing and holding onto prey. Below each tooth is a replacement tooth that will appear when the primary tooth gets damaged or worn. However, the teeth aren’t suitable for chewing; alligators swallow their prey either in large chunks or whole, depending on the size of the prey. The alligator diet consists mostly of fish, turtles and snakes, although they have been known to strike an occasional small deer, wading bird, raccoon or even small pets.”
Average temp through january was low 50’s, average temp through feb was mid 50’s. Still pretty cold. The night of the 9th temps were between 40 and 50. I think temps have to be consistently above 60 for gators to feed, from what I was told. They can go months without eating anything.
Divers did find some gator dens in the river and did search them and found nothing and I was told that one gator that they thought had a “swollen” belly was captured and contents of his stomach checked. They found nothing.
“The courtship rituals, which occur when the temperatures rise in spring (this varies geographically - it is earlier further south, but the most northerly populations may not breed), “
“feed most often when temperatures between 73-90°F”
“primarily fish (catfish in photo at right), but also insects, crabs, frogs, snails, turtles, snakes, birds, raccoons, otters, deer, and smaller alligators
known to eat already dead animals on occasion “
SOunds like the temperatures would have been rather cool for thisd theory to play out. What were water temp for that night and would that matter?
all activity - feeding, metabolic rate and even digestion - is dependent on external temperature (feeding behavior ceases when water temperatures drop below about 60°F)
heat from sun activates digestive enzymess, so cold temperatures can kill a gator with a full stomach because the food will rot instead of digest
optimum body temperature is around 89°F; when air/water temperatures cool, alligators crawl out of the water to warm in the sun where their dark skin absorbs the heat, and when they are too warm, they return to the water to cool off; on cool windy days or hot summer days, they remain in the water “
Current temps 12/21/09 Temperature: 53°F / 11°C
Aprox same as Feb 08? Correct?
This link at Weather Underground shows a graph and Oh my…there was quite a warming trend in Jan leading into Feb. Odd…
the water temp for ST Johns at the last week of January was 63 F
It was up to 78 degrees near Jan 15…that would have stirred the gators around, looking to mate early and potentially hungry from not eating much in the cooler weather.
Jan 7-10 78-79 degrees..
Jan 17 back up to 78
18 19 & 20 little dip to 50’s then back up to 74 on Jan 22 with 31st as only remaining 78 degree day.
Feb 08
Feb 01-03 builds 75-79 degrees
Feb 4, 5 & 6 being Mid 80’s days
7th-12 th mid to low 70’s
14th dips to 62…
Feb 10 2008
Days High: 71 degrees
Night’s low: 42 degrees.
This info tells us that potentially the gator theory only works during the heat of the day.
sound off.
Check this info against known “alibi’s” for those people on Tuesday Feb 11 and Wednesday Feb 12 as I don’t see them waiting any long than that.
Where was T C all day those days?
WHat about Cousin?
ANyone else?
IMO this is the only way to prove or disprove our theories. Check them against each and every variable and each fact on a scientific basis. Try to prove it correct to the point that it proves the theory incorrect.
Gmom it should be 2009 not 2008
The aligators will stop feeding at temps of 60 degrees F or lower. During the day time on those days the temps were high enough for the gators to be trying to find mates unseasonably early. As the temps increase, they would be eating more or possible appetite increase due to just emerging from hybernation. Not as likely to strike on “food” at night anytime, but especially if temps lower than 65 degrees.
Oh Gosh…so sorry….you’re right brb
That is just one theory and one preditor not all of the preditors in the area. Bears,big cats,boar and occasionally coyotes. People in the area have been bringing fox and coyotes into palaka and satsuma. Several arrests have been made about cruelty to fox and coyote.jmo
I read alot of the news for the area and not too long ago a man was attacked by a bear.
Jan 01 2009
63 degrees rising to 74 degrees on the 2nd
3rd 72 degrees building to 80 degrees on the 6th. 7th-9th 73 degrees to 68 degrees then warming trend to 76 degrees on the 10th. 11 = 71 degrees the cooling trend to 56 on the 12th, 51 on the 13th then warms to 59 on the 14th. The 15th 62 then back to 50 on the 16th. Rises to 56 degrees on the 17th. Then 68 on 18 & 19. Back down to 56 on 20th. Low is 47 on 21st. Back up to 58 on 22nd. Rising on 23rd to 68…to 71 on 24th…73 on 25th….77 on 26th…79 on 27th & 28th…Down to 70 on 29th…61 on 30th and 60 degrees on 31st.
This is for aligator info. So doesn’t seem like an odd pattern for that area after all. Probably common knowledge. (gator habits)
Yes, Tobias, it does happen. Our area has just had a man cleared of wrong-doing in a shooting of a bear that was “attacking” the house & occupants.
Hope this is all for naught, but it would explain why no one has found her. This case is so sad and I wished someone would find it in their heart to come forward and just spill the
truth out so this family can have some closure.
The guilt would be eating a sane person up inside, whoever did this is just uncaring and plain evil not to be feeling terrific guilt. jmo
I noticed that Chelsea changed her story about that night AFTER LE went to talk to her.
Her first story was pretty much blaming Joe. Van moved. He was not sleeping the way he normally did. Scratch on Van. Mother’s intuition, I think were her words.
After that visit by LE it was she is a light sleeper and would have heard if somebody left the house or took the van. Look at the parents not at the Croslins.
Now if the van was indeed taken, moved, scratched AND LE knew that it was not Joe that took it after their questioning of him and giving him a LDT, (not confirmed he took one, still rumor), and then told Chelsea they know it was not Joe that took the van, then that would leave her husband Timmy to be the one that took the van out that night.
If that is true it makes sense for her to change her story. Timmy has made no statement to media since this started, that I have ever seen, heard.
Feb 2009
1: 65 degrees falling to 59 on the second…55 on the 3rd…45 on the 4th….49 degrees on the 5th…61 degrees on the 6th…68 on the 7th…72 degrees on the 8th….74 on the 9th…77 degrees on the 10th…..82 degrees on the 11th…80 degrees on the 12th…76 degrees on the 13 & 14th…back down to 69 on the 15th.
Night time temps for same time period.
Feb,1st: 30
2nd: 44
3rd: 36
4th: 26
5th: 22
6th: 21
7th: 28
8th: 34
9th: 37
10th: 41
11th: 50 (highest temp that week ?)
12th: 47
13th: 38
14th: 52
15th: 58
It rained on the 2nd of Feb 1.24 inches dry till the 12th rain .07 inches…rain on the 14th & 15….most rain happing on the 14th.
And he is the one Misty claimed to be “her closest brother”. Does anyone remember at what time frame she said that? and Shall I start sending links to the Chelsea videos?
Gmom- I for one greatly appreciate your links.
Hangon, I wondered about the same thing once before about Timmy never being on camera ,or appearing at any of the vigils, or even talking with Misty except on the phone. I found it odd that his wife was on camera alot and at the vigils. Misty also claims that Timmy and her are the closest in the family,and Ron liked him the most too. jmo
Tobias- I agree. I find it odd if Timmy was the family member who was the closest to Misty and to Ron that he never spoke up to defend Misty, ever.
Ok I’m off to bring links…you guys help watch them to see if I get the right ones. There is sooo munch info….we just have to keep sorting through it.
Prayer vigil Friday Feb 11th.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/121109-Vigil-held-for-Haleigh-Cummings
I wonder if anyone ever talked to him? Cobra, TJ, Art, or anyone from the media? The only ones I know of were LE and they are not saying anything about their talks with him. imho
In other news…..
Cummings Uncle Arrested For Gun INcident
LInk:http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-12-15/story/family_member_of_haleigh_cummings_jailed_in_putnam_county_on_gun_c
No…this family has no violence or abuse issues….
I do know what he looks like from his my space picture, he looks rather nice compared to the other Croslins. But that is about it.
Family, Friends Pray As Search For Missing 5-Year-Old Continues
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18686639/detail.html#-
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/11/missing.florida.girl/
includes links to 911 call audio, Father’s plea and Mother’s plea videos.
Haleigh vigil pics link:
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18707417/detail.html
More links are being sent…I don’t know if they will come through…might take a little time. There is a lag on link posts.
On the program on Sunday TJ made reference to Misty having something to do with Snodgrass, but didnt say what she was doing for him . Does anyone know what that was all about?
2nd vigil:
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html
Another take on 2nd vigil:
http://www.wesh.com/video/18697600/index.html
Girlfriend Describes Waking Up, Finding Haleigh Gone
68 Hours After Amber Alert, Search For Missing 5-Year-Old Continues
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18700310/detail.html
UNCUT: Girlfriend Tearfully Describes Finding Haleigh Gone
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.htm add an l on the end
Inconsisntancies? video…
http://www.wftv.com/video/18701599/index.html
Fiance of Haleigh’s Mother Questioned
link to follow
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3
Baby sitter recalls night 5-year-old was taken from Satsuma home
I’ll just make a list of these links and if anybody wants them they can email me HollysGmom@yahoo.com
I know a different Misty who’s mother had a relationship with Snod. There were rumors that pictures of that Misty sleeping were found at Snods. Not sure if that is true or not.
If there was any evidence of Misty C being involved in any way with Snod, Snod would have been in violation of his bond agreement, because of her age back then, and he would be in jail, at least I would hope so.
So if anybody has any proof that Snod was involved with Misty C at all, they need to turn that over to LE or the SA.
I believe TJ said she did some odd jobs or something. Maybe he was mistaking which Misty?
I will go back and listen to the program part where he talks about it. It was close to the 60 mark I think. Around the time they are talking about his ankle monitor.
Was it that they became acquainted while he was doing the re-modeling of the trailer supposidly nearby?
hangnon,
I agree about the van. I believe that LE knows exactly who had driven that van last. From what I understand the van was taken by LE and then after inspecting the van it was then released back to whomever “legally” owns it. What I am wondering though is are we to assume that the van was somehow used in some compacity in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings? If so, could more than one vehicle have been involved somehow? Also meaning that more than one person was possibly involved? Could it be that the van was damaged while attempting to flee from an area or even possibly and/or used as weapon to attempt an assault on another person at the scene where the scratches occured?
I’ve also wondered what exactly caused the scratches on the van and can the van be traced back to any specific area where there may be evidence consistant with those scratches?
Anybody remember what date they took the van in on ? I’m up to 3/5/09 on media links
PCSO, was using a prior case from another county as an example of their exemption from releasing investigative materials. They were not referring to the Haleigh Gone Missing case as one who has only been under investigation for 4 and half months. It was a legal example, that they were basing their refusal to release info on.
Now this new topic of conversation was brought to my attention.. Where did Pagan72 run across this info, and if it is so vital.. and an absolute.. why hasn’t PCSO jumped right smack into the middle of it. I have no doubt if the info is vital and that is where Haleigh truly is, the Law Enforcement in Texas would be all over it in a HeartBeat!!!! In fact if Pagan72 has this knowledge why didn’t they contact the LE in Texas themselves and advise that this is Haleigh’s location??? This sends this case backwards again. And to date, PCSO has never referred to Haleigh gone Missing, in the same sentence as Stranger Abduction, aka SO..
Are we being sent on a goose chase again, and why??? Been there done that People!!! Why another Goose Chase?? After 10 months of these, I rather have a second sense on them, and they don’t pass the intial test of reason.
So, if you guys want to run with this.. Go for it.. Me, I’m not biting..
Funny, how the timeline didn’t become big news until the wedding day….
KP hired and gives 1st interview same day…. h*ll hath no fury….
Misty’s “inconsistencies” also first reported on that day….
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491485,00.html
Hardy explaining that he can not release information on what evidence they may or may not have taken.
http://www.bloggernews.net/120177
Discussing the van.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2603134/van_in_haleigh_cumming_investigation/
The van must belong to Chelsea and here on this video with Matt Saffer. According to Chelsea, Misty called her crying asking Chelsea to tell her that it was Chelsea who had put the scratch in the van. According to Chelsea she herself was also crying when she told Misty that no she had not put the scratches in the van.
I believe that Chelsea legally owns the van but Hmm who’s van is it?
And while we are at it….Who really picked Haleigh up from the bus stop?
March 16…3 days after hire DCFS case is lodged…
mlee said,in December 21st, 2009 at 5:57 pm PCSO, was using a prior case from another county as an example of their exemption from releasing investigative materials. They were not referring to the Haleigh Gone Missing case as one who has only been under investigation for 4 and half months. It was a legal example, that they were basing their refusal to release info on.
Now this new topic of conversation was brought to my attention.. Where did Pagan72 run across this info, and if it is so vital.. and an absolute.. why hasn’t PCSO jumped right smack into the middle of it. I have no doubt if the info is vital and that is where Haleigh truly is, the Law Enforcement in Texas would be all over it in a HeartBeat!!!! In fact if Pagan72 has this knowledge why didn’t they contact the LE in Texas themselves and advise that this is Haleigh’s location??? This sends this case backwards again. And to date, PCSO has never referred to Haleigh gone Missing, in the same sentence as Stranger Abduction, aka SO..
Are we being sent on a goose chase again, and why??? Been there done that People!!! Why another Goose Chase?? After 10 months of these, I rather have a second sense on them, and they don’t pass the intial test of reason.
So, if you guys want to run with this.. Go for it.. Me, I’m not biting
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Yes I feel a while goose chase. When Maire and Crystal got off plane in Texas no one else was with them …They were alone.No Haleigh was with them.I am not biting either.
Questions about van connected to Haleigh’s disappearance
Wednesday, 18 Mar 2009,
Why would Misty call Chelsea crying while asking Chelsea to tell her that Chelsea had put the scratch in the van?
That makes very little sense.
What if they decided to hold the concert in TX to GO SEE her????
Making it look good for somone else (Ron?) Trying to get someone else to say, “Yea, maybe?”
Or Misty herself being’s that she was driving without a licence? Who knows maybe she ran off in a ditch on Ridge (or x,y,z) road and clipped a fence or a tree for all we know?
(Just throwing that out there.)
Misty did not call Chelsea asking her about the van. It was Lindsy that called Chelsea.
After they had left Green Ln area, Chelsea went home. Later that night Lindsy called her, they were talking, wondering what could have happened to HaLeigh. Lindsy asked Chelsea about the scratches. Chelsea said she did not scratch the van, then she remembered about the van being moved. They decided to call LE and that is when the van was taken by LE.
The report done with Chelsea talking about the van was very confusing BUT if you keep in mind that the van belongs to Lindsy not Misty then it makes sense.
OK even more confusing is that the interview by Matt Saffer was said to have been done with Chelsea which implies that the van belongs to Chelsea no?
hangnon,
How do you know for a fact that it was Lindsy that called Chelsea and not Misty who had called Chelsea? That interview implies otherwise.
It was Chelsea that did the interview. Chelsea said, she called me and said please tell me you put the scratches on my van.
Key word “MY”. The van belongs to Lindsy so it had to be Lindsy that called her. The van is not Mistys.
Seriously though hangnon,
It almost sounds as if someone is trying to imply that Matt Saffer either has the whole story confused or is in on some type of malfunctioning conspiracy.
And now why would LE release the van to Chelsea if Lindsy was the legal and rightful owner?
Matt did have the report screwed up and he did receive a lot of emails about it.
You just have to analyze it. The van belongs to Lindsy, not Misty. So if anybody called asking about “MY VAN” then it was Lindsy.
Not to mention that LE had Misty’s phone, and had Misty and Ron pretty busy that day/night. I doubt she was calling anybody asking about a scratch on a van that does not belong to her.
I made a notepad document that can be attatched in an email. Once you open it you can use keywords to search through the links (Misty, Cousin, Van, Attorney etc).
1) Open the notebook file
2) Click on Edit in top of notepad window.
3) Select Find..
4) Toggle up or down click the radio buttons provided. Put in your key word and click next. Keep clicking next until end of document. If you want to you can search this list in reverse.
Find the link you want.
Highlight the text by right-clicking and draging mouse over text.
once highlighted, right click again and select copy.
Go to browser http window and rightclick, select paste then hit enter.
They did not release the van to Chelsea. They took the van back to Tyler where they had taken it from.
GMom can you send that to me please?
hangnon@gmail.com
Thank you.
OK I see but Chelsea decided to do the interview with Matt Saffer for some reason. Gotcha.
hangnon:
yes I will just a moment it should come in.
Tuff Stuff
I have the links for the videos of the van being called into question as well as it being returned 1 day later…email me at the addy I gave above if you would like it.
The thing that has me completely confused is that no where did I see Matt Saffer come forward to rescind or correct any part of that interview which I find very odd. If he put out such terribly wrong information then he has a responsibility to right that wrong. JMO?
MLee and AnneinTn:
About Pagan72’s comment at 5:39 Dec 20:
The way I read the comment was that it had “come to her” in some way through practicing “shamanism.” Notice in her comment where she says “Enough of my shamanism.”
iowamom explained shamanism to us @7:20pm:
Iowamom:
“There may be other definitions but practicing Shamanism is for healing and enlightenment in any situation. Ceremonial it includes or can include rhythmic music, mind altering drugs and mythic journeys into the subconscious.”
Original Post we’re discussing:
Pagan72 said,in December 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pm Between Dallas and Fort Worth? I sent them an e-mail about it awhile back. She’s being held as a slave by some guy named David Knox.
He’s non-descript, family around. But guess what? He’s the little f***** that took Haleigh!
I think he’s in his late 40’s. He might be a trucker too. Enough of my shamanism.
.. stay thirsty my friends.. oh, but feel free to check out David Knox in the area I gave. There can only be so many David Knox’s in the world, let alone in that area.
JE”
Holly’s Gmom,
Thanks much but I have already found it.
Your help is much appreciated though.
hangnon, it’s on it’s way…
Thank you Gmom
Tuff Stuff- there was some good discussion about the van/report on another board. Several people contacted Matt about it. The report sucked.
But if you analyze it step by step it makes sense.
Must be half time again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wkxAmQo-Vw&feature=related
I think FDLE had the van for about a month or so, if I am remembering correctly.
Did anyone get a response from Matt Saffer? How can we all determine that it sucked if Matt Saffer doesn’t respond to the general public with corrections? I’ve seen a bunch of stuff said all over the place about it hangnon but nothing from the original author himself.
Makes me wonder if he himself might have been given conflicting information?
Has everyone seen JVM… Dog The Bounty Hunter is going to help the mother of abducted 10 yr old Jean Paul.
…and if so by whom?
Right on Dog! Back away from the Dog! LOL!
Tuff- I think the actual problem came about because he was not using specific names, he would say Croslin which everybody would presume to mean Misty BUT in fact Lindsy and Chelsea are also Croslins.
“Back away from the Dog” is in reference to when he had issue with the Mexican Govt. Am so glad to hear the good news about that little boy. That case with the false information given in Spanish is just wrong on so many levels it’s hard to comprehend.
Gmom- thank you so much for that file. I am great at researching but after 10 months my files and notes are a disaster, and I am not good at keeping them organized anyway.
hangnon Matt Saffer used Misty’s name specifically in reference to that interview.
“in” that interview not “to that”. My apologies.
Tuff,
I know, it was crazy… why would a Judge do it… I mean come on… NO TRANSLATOR at all in the courts?… COME ON!!!!!
I know Cent right? I just sat there shaking my head. It’s sad.
GO DOG! and Beth too of course.
I’ve done an updated research on LawShrink from her own postings here at BNN. If you want it I’ll email. You don’t have to post your email. Just email me and ask for it. If you’d rather I can forward to Jan and you can ask her for it.
HollysGmom@yahoo.com
Hangnon:
Your very welcome. If anyone would like a copy of the first 90 days media timeline document you may email me at my email and ask for it or I will forward it to Jan and she can give to you.
I’m now left with why is JVM pushing so hard for Dog… besides the obvious… the abduction. This is my first time seeing her get involved this deep!
I’ve got ot get offline…family is insisting
Taking your advice Cobra and other…take time out for those in your life…Can’t wait to see what you guys all come up with…I’ll check my email later to see who else wants the two files.
Goodnight
Hollysgmom,
Why are you doing research on LS, when LS clearly OFFERED to show credentials to anyone who asked? Why not just ask? Has anyone asked? If so, have you gotten verification of credentials?
cent,
I’m not sure what you mean? JVM has been a long time advoctate for victims rights especially when it involves Children’s rights. At least I thought so?
I can’t get the van article and video links to work.
Tuff,
I was talking about her approaching Doggie. She is an advocate for children and women. I believe she stated that they contacted him.
H.Gmom
sent you an e-mail,check it out.Y’all was on a role 2day bouncin facts,n info to n fro…GREAT
Will do Pinkie
bonanzajellybean: It’s not about a name, address or anything like that. It’s a refresher of the information “She hersalf” has already given us through her on words….I thought if someone could repost all of the things she has said in an effort to “question” her, then I could use her own posts to describe her. Sorry you disapprove….
I feel like we did get some good work done today as well. I think we should keep throwing “theories” or “ideas” out there then systematically rule them IN or OUT. Maybe it’s the only way we can narrow some stuff down. Once we have the info we can use it to answer other’s questions. Hope everyone is ready to start again in AM. See you then….
So glad to see people keeping up with Haleigh’s case, I google info on her and it is always this site that has more than just info, but ideas and genuine concern for this little girl. I am praying along with you all that she will be found. It is so sad : (
Michelle:
From me to you, Than You. Many of us who post & read here really do have much concern for Haleigh and her where-abouts.
I, personally, enjoy taking an active role in trying to solve this mystery. I hope you keep comming back for more updates, ideas etc.
I still have questions regarding why Misty was so resistant to the re enactment? What could have been her reasons? Hmm.
I have a question. Didn’t someone From LE make the statement at one point that they could not make any progress because of the inconsistencies in Misti’s timeline?
I was just going through the sites above and LE was talking about the pink shirt. They never do say where they found the shirt, when and who said where they found it and is it the truth?
Tobias, Misty said she did not trust Cobra. Misty also says she does not trust law enforcement. ” IF ” Misty would of done the re-enactment she may have revealed even more inconsistencies.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2603134/van_in_haleigh_cumming_investigation/
“It’s an accusation, so until the, until Haleigh’s found or otherwise, we won’t ever know, I guess.”
A few observations:
After rewatching this video I noticed that at the very end of her last comment, Chelsea added, “we won’t ever know I guess.”
Considering that this video was done in March 09, the month after Haleigh was discovered missing and just after the van was released back to the family, Chelsea’s comment seems oddly and inappropriately dismissive.
Also, during that last comment, Chelsea broke off mid sentence and then restarted anew. What might Chelsea have said if she had continued her sentence without any hesitations?
Also TN states on NG that Ron had only been on the night shift for 4-5 weeks. So the person who took Haliegh had to know 4-5 week time line that Ron would not be there. Also she talks to the reverand that lived in the MH before Ron and he said the person who entered had to walk the entire length of the MH to get to the master bedroom. The light switch is in an odd place also, the person who turned it on would have to of known where it was at.
True Justice, like how do you walk passed an empty bed on her way to the living room and not notice right then that Haliegh isnt on it.
How do you notice a door open clear at the end of the MH and why do you do laundry when you have no detergent? G sykes just brought clothes for the kids to wear. How could she not remember the exact time on the clock, that would have been burnt into my memory but maybe thats just me. She also says she had to use the bathroom, how can you forget to go,it just doesnt happen. You would use the master bathroom then go check out the light, thinking that one of the kids turned it on. Why would she imediately freak out about the light being on? The whole story she came up with is flawed. imho
Tobias, Yes I remember watching those shows. There was a witness that went to LE and let them know that prior to Ron moving in to that mh there were no keys available for that mh. That is why Ron installed the the locks himself. I remeber Ron saying noone else had keys to the mh. It was after this person came forward that LE went and took the door in for evidence.
When will LE finally arrest Misty? She has had enough time to come clear with her inconsistancies in my opinion, she is the one that knows the truth about that night, what are they afraid of by arresting her? The only way the case will move forward is to get her to tell all. imho
The big question we need to find out is WHO IS MISTY PROTECTING??? Herself, Tommy,Joe, OR Someone we dont know of yet? just my opinion.
Also why hasnt anyone owned up to the scratched van if it was not used in this case. If it was an innocent mistake explain how it got scratched and then its off the possibilities list. jmo
I do believe her story is flawed. Myself I think if you get freaked out you may not have to go to the bathroom anymore; adrenaline takes over. I myself do not always look at the clock when I get up in the night to go to the bathroom, but my bathroom is in my master bedroom. What has concerned me lately is that if there is any validity to TH article on his web site that LE knows for a fact Haleigh was in the bed with Misty and Jr. That was Mistys first statement to LE. That both kids were in the bed with her and she got up to get a drink and found the light on and the doors propped open ran back to her room to call Ron and that is when she noticed Haleigh was missing. Getting up to get a drink sounds more plausible than the story she changed it to. You would have been going into the kitchen, but how would you explain someone taking Haleigh out of the bed you were in with her.
tobias said,
in December 22nd, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Also TN states on NG that Ron had only been on the night shift for 4-5 weeks. So the person who took Haliegh had to know 4-5 week time line that Ron would not be there. Also she talks to the reverand that lived in the MH before Ron and he said the person who entered had to walk the entire length of the MH to get to the master bedroom. The light switch is in an odd place also, the person who turned it on would have to of known where it was at.
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Thank you, thank you
Also, the broken pieces of cinder block were under the shed in the back yard, there is a utube video (not real clear) of a NG show,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkweFCQTz64&feature=related
around 4:00 to 4:30
showing cinder blocks under the shed.
I think Ronald said he didn’t know of any cinder blocks in the yard in an interview.
So who ever did this IMO, had to know where the cinder blocks were stored.
JMO
Ospainter
The beds were so close you would have to watch not to step on the little bed when you get out of the bigger bed and you would see she wasnt in it . jmo
If we look at the questions that came out in Tim Millers test. It tells us that Misty knows what happened to Haleigh and where she is but she does not know who removed her. She only had a 40% on that question. All of the percentages to all the questions were not released to the public.
Tobias if you remember in the Greta interview Misty said 4″ and Ron corrected her stating 4FT. Perhaps her subconscience was revealing that Haleigh was in the bed with her. I myself never really believed Misty was not at home that night after just reconciliating with Ron the night before.
Tobias @ 12:57
Misty said in a interveiew that she was the one that found the shirt in the dirty clothes and that she gave it to LE.. She also said something like if I did something/guilty… why would I give them the shirt.
Here’s some info on shirt earlier on:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-02-18/news/missing18_1_haleigh-pink-shirt-possession
Hank Sr.. talks of Misty and Ron
http://staugustine.com/stories/021809/news_021809_024.shtml
TOBIAS…
M. CUMMINGS: I was looking by the dirty clothes for the clothes she was wearing earlier that day for school, and I found that shirt, and I showed the detectives. If I was hiding something, why would I show the cops the shirt?
**********Here is the transcript***********
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ijvm.01.html
JUSTICE, You are correct, but the 40% could mean not sure if it was Tommy or Joe who removed her from the MH? like an either or situation could be a 50 50 as to who took her out. I dont think she knows where they took her but I think she knows who the ones are that did this. And she is involved in the cover up to protect herslf and the others.
I also believe she thinks by being quiet she is safe.jmo
Here is a bit more research that I have been doing if anyone is interested.
As we all know everything we do or do not do involves cause and effect.
There is also a ripple affect as in when someone does something either positive or negative it will have an effect on others around them.
Even subtle changes in behavior and attitude in people have an affect on others who are connected to them.
Negative actions and behavior have been proven to cause both mental and physical conditions in normally healthy people.
Sadly, Children are more prone to suffer the consequences of the actions, attitudes and behavior changes of the adults around them.
All of this meshes with what I have said in earlier posts in that it makes perfect sense as to why gangs, groups, families etc… would shun away from a person or person(s) who may have insulted then by committed a sacreligious act and it gives even more solid reason as to why it is that respect, honor and integrity plays such a critical role.
Come on LE give us all a great Christmas present and arrest Misty and get to the bottom of this case. Teresa ,Ron and Granma Sykes deserve justice for Haliegh. Its gonna hurt them enough knowing she lied to them all along while they stood by her. jmo
Yes Tobias that could be the reason she scored only a 40% on that question. I know when detectives went to Mass to question Timmy and Chelsea Misty did come out and made a statement that Timmy did not have anything to do with Haleighs disappearance. I too belive she is covering up for someone, but who I do not know. Misty has pointed fingers at everyone else except Ron and Timmy. Misty may think as long as she does not speak up that she is safe, but hopefully when the truth is revealed and I pray for it daily, immunity will not be an option for her and she also will get the maximum punishment along with whomever else is involved.
I was skimming through the above JVM Transcripts and I was wondering what/why Misty wanted Mr. Child (legally blind man that had his gun stolen)to pray for her about… truly. Maybe for an escape from her family!?!
You are right Tobias they will be hurt. I am still confused though why Ron notified Misty to let her know about Donna Brock. I do not think for one minute that Ron did not love his daughter, because you can tell he does. I just do not understand some of his behavior since Haleighs disappearance. I believe it was G Sykes and Teresa that mainly took care of Haleigh and made sure all of her needs were met as I am sure they do for little Jr.
She didnt point a finger at Ron because he and his family were standing up for her and this worked well for her. I wonder what the real reason is for the divorce between her and Ron is. Does he now feel she may really be involved? I think they really saw some reason to distance themselves from her. Timmy never made any appearance on any video and never talked to a reporter that I can find? Why is that? How did he manage to avoid all the side shows? jmo
cent, from what I can remember she had stated that she was tired of taking care of someone elses children.
Perhaps she was having a bad day; lets hope this is all it was. It is one thimg to baby sitonce and awhile, but too take on a full time responsibility at the young age of 16 can be vey over whelming no matter how much you love children.
I think at the time he was supposed to meet with them in Disney and found out it was all a lie. I also think he was still under the impression that Misty was innocent of any wrong doing. Then it all changed suddenly.
I really wonder if Ron is hiding something not related to the case that he doesnt want revealed. Just wondering out loud sorry. jmo
Ron married her but still wouldnt have a baby with her. That is what I think made Misty want to leave, she found out that he would never forget Haliegh and probably would never have kids with her. But I may be wrong and this is just a theory.
Tuff Stuff said,in December 21st, 2009 at 6:24 pm Or Misty herself being’s that she was driving without a licence? Who knows maybe she ran off in a ditch on Ridge (or x,y,z) road and clipped a fence or a tree for all we know?
(Just throwing that out there.)
I also meant to add that I do 100% believe that LE knows exactly who picked Haleigh up from the bus stop that day. I believe that little snipets of information are intentionally leaked here and there.
I really can see her being overwelmed. Two kids to watch and not much fun to be had with Ron working the shift he had. Most people will tell you afternoon shift is the worst shift to have if you are married with children. You dont have time except on the weekends to spend having fun, a young teen isnt going to like that. jmo
I worked midnight shift for a long time and trust me it is hard to find time to spend alone with your spouse. Some of my friends said that their spouses slept the same time and did house work and other things while they were at work at night, that way they were on the same pattern. nothing is as bad as trying to sleep when other people are moving around during the day. Maybe that is why Misty was cleaning and doing laundry but I dont think she went to sleep. I think she would have been up waiting for alone time when Ron got home. That was why he bought the beer and peanuts on his way home. It would have been like his afternoon if he worked days. jmo
Tuff you are right that LE knows who picked up Haleigh that day from the bus stop. I know they all say Ron picked up Hakeigh, but they have four witnesses that say Misty picked up Haleigh in the blue van. Why would they stick to there original statement when you have witnesses that say otherwise?
Tobias it is hard to work that middle shift and take care of a family. I did it for 8 years. Granted I was not 16 at the time; but it did get overwhelming. We did not want our children in day care so My husband was coming home from work as I was leaving.
Thats my point Justice,he only just started that shift 4-5 weeks earlier. She was already calling him at work with problems about the kids.And I believe pressuring him to have another baby, why would she tell him she was pregnant? To maybe find out his reaction? Then she decides to end it and go out on a party weekend? Changing her mind on Sunday? Really?
She goes back to the same old grind of watching the kids and being just Rons girlfriend? And how did she explain Greg Page? JMO
Good questions Tobias, but I believe it was Ron that put Misty out according to Chritina Prevatt. Then called her on Sunday to ask her to come back and bring condoms. I am not sure how she explained WBG maybe Amber did that for Misty after their cat fight that week-end. Maybe Misty and Ron were already having problems and Misty thought telling Ron she was pg was a way of holding on to him. Just a thought.
Young girls will go to the extremes if they are totally infatuated with the guy they are with. They will practicly do anything for them. They are not mentally prepared for this kind of relationship at such a young age.
I believe she is really good at lying. She had the whole Cummings family believing she was a responsible person and all the while shes out on party weekends doing drugs. She lied to her parents about Rons age. She lied to 911 that Haliegh was her daughter, she lied about the rat, and LE knows she is still lying about what happened that night.jmo
I agree with you she definitely a good liar. Ron also lied to hank Sr. about his age. I also believe she can shed a light on what happened to Haleigh. I wish she would spill the beans, but I believe she knows she will face charges in Haleighs disappearance and that is why she is not telling the truth about that night.
It has been great chatting with you all, but I have to go for now. I will check back later. See you all then
I would have liked someone to ask where was Ron on that weekend? We never hear where or what he was doing after he left Misty at her brothers house and she left on her wild weekend.
Personally, I (IMO) think that Misty called Ron and ASKED if she could come back. He asked where she’d been or confronted her with his knowledge of where she had been (It’s a small town, he very likely could have heard by Sat night where she was) He said “Yea come home but bring some condoms cause I don’t know who all you slept with.” IMO IMO IMO
Yes….we have not been told whether he worked those nights or not….where was he?
He would not know everywhere she was because they travled to cresent city and st. augustine
according to NayNay.jmo
does anyone know how or where the pink shirt was found? LE never said I dont think but maybe I am wrong,did they say or was it someone else saying where it was found? jmo
I just watched the walk through of the mobile home. I f the light was on she couldnt see it till she left the bed room go watch the video on you tube jmo
*******PINK SHIRT*******
Tobias,
See my 1:51 and 1:55 post!!!
Cent, That is very interesting that LE would keep a secret out of the shirt if Misty found it in the laundry. Either she is lying about finding it or LE is not saying she found it.
I wouldnt know why she would be allowed back into a taped off crime scene unless they already knew the shirt was there.This baffles me. jmo
I was under the impression that no one enters a possible crime scene until they are through with the search for items of interest and I am sure they went through everything in the MH before they let anyone enter . TN stated on nancy grace that no one was allowed to enter until she did the interview showing the MH and the back door. Is Misty lying? guess LE would know.jmo
Tobias,
Yes I find it a little crazy/troubling that LE NEVER confirmed/acknowledge Misty finding it. It sort gives someone the go ahead and say/think that LE could/maybe setting Misty up. I can’t see the value of them holding on to that piece of info… Let’s be real about it… People who were possibly keeping an eye out for HaLeigh, searching for her, I am sure where also thinking pink shirt… pink shirt. That is what we the “public” were focused on, as far as description of clothing goes!!!
I STILL WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF HER SHOES WERE MISSING!!!!!
Another thing entered my little thought process. If the shirt was in the drier was it washed to get rid of evidence? Guess thats something we are not privy too.jmo
As far as time frame of allowing them back in “crime scene”. Yes, there is a procedure/time.. Regarding the finding of the shirt… I haven’t had a chance to look and see when it was actually found.. meaning from the time HaLeigh was reported missing to “US” finding out about her not having shirt on.
Was it in the dyer… or just on the floor with some of the other clothes… I know it was reported some in dyer/washer. I didn’t read through it all, but I will later.
I may be a little late getting in on this conversation, but I thought LE stated the next day that Misty found the pink shirt in the laundry pile and called their attention to it. Not 100 percent sure, but I believe that’s the way it went. I took it as the shirt was lying in the pile, so it wouldn’t have been washed yet. Bottom line is, Misty had no idea what Haleigh was wearing if she didn’t have the pink shirt on.
Some were of the opinion that it was possible that whoever took Haleigh changed her shirt. Not sure what the reason would be. Could be several reasons. If she had in fact wet the bed, it may be that the shirt had urine on it as well. Some were of the opinion that whoever took her changed her shirt to throw off LE, giving the reason for the light being on. Who knows, as many stories that have been told, you don’t know what to believe.
It may be nothing, but then again it might be extremely helpful to have more information about the shirt. I sure hope LE knows more than what they are saying.
Well, it’s getting late, but I had to check and see if there were any new developments. You seem to find out more here than on the news stations.
Have a great evening all. Time to throw some banana nut bread in the oven.
I am wondering if they definitley ruled out a stranger abduction or if this is still a possibility. I thought I read somewhere that it is not considered a stranger abduction. I would think that there are fingerprints like crazy around there, so something would show up if so. Did Misty’s brother fess up and admit to being there so many months later for that reason, to explain why his prints would be there. I don’t know how that process works, but I wonder if finger prints that are more recent show up better than old ones. My guess is yes. Why did Tommy wait so long to tell them he went to the house. You know he didn’t just forget that. I have one idea that he and Joe and possibly Greg got rid of Haleigh somehow after Misty was negligent at that party or where ever she was. What if she left them alone at either in the MH or the car while she ran inside of someone’s place for something, that would give someone a opportunity to have taken Haleigh. I would think Junior would be able to say, yes we were at home, or no we were in a car, at a party, or wherever. Has he clearly said he was at home all night? The possibilities are endless with little facts about that night. Could Misty be covering up for an accident that happened at home with Ronald or herself, I have no clue, at this point, I have looked at all the options and they all seem possible. I don’t like to point a finger at someone that is innocent like possibly Ronald, Misty ect., but I just wish they could get something set in stone about that night.
Michelle, I agree with you on LE getting something in stone. The thing about Tommys finger prints. Misty had already let LE know that Tommy and his children were over earlier that day between 5&6 pm. That would not be the reason Tommy came out 8 months later and told LE he was at the mh. Ron never told LE about the disagreement He and Misty had that night and that he called the Croslins to see if she were there. According to Ron he did not ask him to go over to the mh. We never heard if Tommy called Ron back, but I am sure LE would know this by their phone records.
My understanding is that Ron asked if Misty was there at Tommys, they argued earlier about her going there to babysit. Tommy was at the MH to help with the AC guy and then left.
But that leaves him with opportunity to unlock the back door. Also by Ron calling looking for Misty it gives him opportunity to go to the MH and enter the already unlocked back door.
I believe Tommy and possibly Joe went to rob the MH. Tommy also has a 45 minute gap from the call to when he states he was at the MH, possibly waiting for Joe to arrive before going there? I dont believe Haliegh was taken for abuse,I think she saw the light come on and thought it was her dad and surprised Tommy and Joe , they put a hand over her mouth to quiet her and with fear and asthma she suffocated. That would leave little to no evidence of foul play. Misty wakes up after the faact and covers for them. This is just a theory but there are alot of facts to back it up. jmo
Like Misty says about her family lying to get out of trouble, the apple doesnt fall far from the tree. She is lying to save herself and Tommy. In her mind Haliegh is already gone and she cant change that, but she is not going to go to jail. In the beginning I think she feared Ron would kill them all for what happened and the cover up began. She is a very good liar, she has had alot of practice in this family. I also think LE knew that shirt was there and waited to see if she would hide it. jmo
What would be the reason for Ron calling and alerting Misty about Donna Brock? If it were true that Ron was keeping Misty close in an effort to maybe find out what she knows etc… then, no matter, why would he do anything that would knowingly compromise anyone else from doing the same thing when the end result could very possibly lead to finding his Daughter?
That is a good theory Tobias. I think LE knows if Haleigh is alive or dead. I think they would of gotten this answer from the LDTs. I am not ready to give up hope that Haleigh is still alive and ready to be found so she can come home. I wish LE would give us a little more info to go on. I believe all the Croslins are shameful people. They are thieving,lying drug addicts. Ron has also lived a shady life as well and the enviroment the children lived in was terrible. This is why I believe it was G Sykes and Teresa Neves that took care of these children primarily. I know Ron is hurting and I do feel compassion for him. I just hope he turns his life around and puts Jr. in a stable and drug free enviroment so that when Haleigh does come home it will be a safer place for them to be in. I hope he finds a decent woman his own age as well.JMO
Tuff stuff, I agree and I still question that. He had everything to gain.
Tuff Stuf: Ive wondered the same thing about why Ron would call and alert Misty about Donna Brock.
Just a thought, but maybe he was protecting her in his own way. If he truly didn’t believe Misty had anything to do with Haleigh’s abduction, he may have thought Donna had more sinister motives for trying to befriend her. Of course you & would be in an “anything goes” frame of mind to find our child, but as we’ve all seen. They don’t seem to think on the same lines that we do.
I’m not totally convinced that Ron & Misty’s relationship is over. Part of me believes that it is just for publicity. I think it’s possible that they are still seeing each other. It was sure a fast divorce. I’ve never seen a divorce move along that fast. Of course there were no children or assets involved so it was pretty cut and dry, but still, they normally have what they call a “cooling off” period to make sure it’s something the couple truly wants. They normally make you wait for a period of time before you can even begin to file.
Any thoughts on that?
Time for me to get busy again. Stayed up until 5:00 this morning cleaning and baking. Still not done. Christmas has slipped up on me this year and I’m so not ready. I am excited for the kids to get here though. That’s what it’s all about. Thank goodness. I think funds are short for most everyone this year. I just want to visit with family, eat and just enjoy each others company. The grandchildren make life worth living.
If I’m unable to check back in again, everyone have a very Merry Christmas.
hey Gmom
what happend to the email?I was so hoping Haleigh would be found 4 christmas.
Ron may have alerted Misty to the Mommy Gate, because he wanted Misty to be ever more depended on him as far as her “safety”… You know like he is still looking out for her. In Misty eyes, him calling her could be a sure sign that no matter what went/goes down between him and his wife, he still loves and honor her. Just a psychological thought..
Merry Christmas, everyone, have a happy and safe holiday!
I disagree with the name being symbolic–I think I gave the real name and area.. what I also get is that the situation is inciteful if too much if given out. I also understand that law enforcement cannot search someone’s home without probable cause. In that respect, I may as WELL have made this up. When I center on a situation, I usually get a proper name and not “she’s by a lake” sort of descriptions.
In all, I believe in what I’ve given–I also don’t feel that these people stealing toddlers are really intelligent. My big concern was that David Knox would be checking up on this situation on the internet and move somewhere else. Apparently he’s not a bright guy. I still get that area and that name.
I myself think the information is true and correct. Hard part is how to interview every David Knox without an inevitable lawsuit against the city or state for something or another.
There has to be a way somehow.
The rat gate was very over the top no matter how you look at it.
Why would Ron Cummings want Misty to go along with planting a rat in a mailbox knowing that it would be tied to him also if they were eventually found out?
Also, with Ron’s explanation and reasoning he apparently stated that he was testing Misty to see what she would say to LE. How far would she go?
Question:
How did Ron know that LE would even be able to tie it back to either one of them in order to question Misty to begin with? What guarantee was set in place by Ron that would tip LE off that it was indeed him and Misty who had done such a horrible thing in order for him to acheive his original intent of finding out what it was that Misty was going to say to LE?
IIRC the initial story was that it could not have been either one of them as they were allegedly not in the area at the time.
Hello Tuff,
I think the fight prior was the deciding factor that Ron and Misty should/would be questioned regarding the execution of Rat Gate. Usually that is one of the investigating tactics LE generally will use… prior discord between the parties. That is the only guarantee I see that is/was set into place for a tip off to LE.
My thoughts are that Rat-Gate happened, the reason was because of the fight prior. And it was a sign for Tommy to shut his mouth. As far as TM claims… testing Misty’s skills of deceiving… Ron could have said that to him, to prove that he was not so Pu**y whipped, as everyone has claimed.
All is far fetched… I KNOW… Yet, it is still a possibility.
I won’t claim to know anything about Shamanism. I think everyone has their own ideas. I admit I used to think it was just witchcraft. I’m not sure what I believe anymore.
However, I do believe there are those that have a gift. Unfortunately as Pagan72 said, you have to have probable cause. There is no way LE is even going to touch a tip like that.
Pagan72, if you really know this information to be true, I hope that somehow this can be investigated. I wouldn’t even know where to begin on that. The only thing I could possibly think of is having a private investigator check into this guy. I’m just not sure anyone would be willing to do it under the circumstances.
I do not believe Ron ever told Tim Miller that he put the rat in the mail box. I do not believe that he put a gun to his mouth in front of Tim Miller. Regardless, what you think of Ron for him to have raised his babies through bottles and diapers he LOVED them. I do not think he is going to give TM that kind of ammo to use against him as a dad. I think Ron had been telling Misty not to trust TM or anyone associated with him. When Ron found out Donna was a Tim Miller fraud I think he either called to warn her because he cares or to say I told you so. Everyone keeps saying Ron was a druggy and he may have been but if so how did he pass the drug test at his job?? JMO and food for thought. Treece
Treece,
There are a number of products out there to clean up ones urine for drug testing… a lot of companies don’t do hair testing because of the cost, but there are ways to get around that testing too. I don’t know what was done in Ron’s case. I believe that he was involved in the drug scene, but, never the less… I believe he DID/DOES love his children, which you can do… even if you live your life in a way that is not so universally/socially accepted.
To be honest I think that no matter what is done good/bad, by/to either parent/family… they will forever live with a black cloud of suspicion. It is sad… but, real.
Ohh yeah… I have never had to take a drug test.. I just know people.
I know there are many opinions of Ron. I can only speak for myself and what I believe since I don’t know Ron. I believe he loves Haleigh with all his heart, she’s Daddy’s little girl. I believe he did the best he could. That’s all any of us can do. You can see in the pictures that Ron & Haleigh are both happy. You can see the twinkle in their eyes. I think Haleigh looks a lot like Ron. You can tell he was hands on, he played with her. It’s obvious to anyone that takes the time to look.
A little off topic, but if you look at pictures of Casey & Caylee Anthony, there is no comparison. Casey is just posing for the camera. She can’t be bothered rolling around in the floor playing with Caylee, it might mess up her hair or nails. Yes, I saw the video of Casey playing with Caylee, but did you see the distance she was holding Caylee at?
Hi Storm,
Casey, well… yuk,yuk!!! All I can manage on that one.
stormgardner, I totally agree.
cent, you are right that black cloud is sad.
Hope you all have a good evening. Treece
treece,
I am not willing to say that Tim Miller is a liar in this situation based on one very significant fact that is impossible to over look.
*Tim Miller has no dog in this fight “except” to find Haleigh Cummings.*
Things we have learned:
Tim Miller arrived with TES to aid in the search for Haleigh Cummings.
Ground searches were scaled back.
Tim Miller met with Ron Cummings and was on friendly terms with Ron.
Tim Miller’s purpose of doing the testing on Misty was an obvious effort to try to get to the truth.
So here we have a man, Tim Miller, who has dedicated his life’s work to try to help families find their missing loved ones by any means necessary, (after all that is what any parent family member or friend who were missing a Child should hope would be done) and now we have this statement from Mr. Miller, regarding what he himself had seen as an eye witness, yet because ??? we are all to assume him as a liar?
Let’s walk through all of the reasons folks may have as to why we should all consider and question Mr. Millers integrity in all of this shall we?
Let’s start first by defining a possible motive as to why Mr. Miller would lie about what he said he saw Ron doing?
Tuff,
You have a very valid argument in your hands. I personally never considered TM a liar, just questioned some of his claims and the timing. I didn’t care for the Mommy Donna escapade, nor did I appreciate the statement he made regarding HaLeigh being dead. Those are the only issues that I can think of, regarding his character/integrity. I can not come up with an reasonable thought as to what his motive would be for lying on Ron.
Tuff Stuff, 1st let me say I am married to a Texan, have lived there more years than any where else and have previously supported TM.
However, his behavior with Haleigh’s case has caused me to longer respect him. I question why he left so quickly when he came to search for her. He pretended to be Ron’s friend and MONTHS later, after he is mad at them, tells that gun story. If it had happened and JR was in danger WHY did TM not tell it immediately, why wait until months later? That LDT was a joke, google LDT info. No one interrogates like that during a test. It could cause any of us to fail. Telling the client you are lying, 90% deception etc during the test is totally unprofessional and makes that test even more unreliable. Taping the LDT and releasing it to the media is unprofessional. NONE of that bs did anything to help find Haleigh but created it’s own side show. But hiring a nut to pretend to love Misty and “mother” her was CRUEL, in my opinion. I don’t know if Misty is innocent or guilty. But let’s just consider that MAYBE she is telling the truth. She would naturally feel terrible guilty just because she was the one in charge. She has had a horrible childhood herself, and doesn’t even comprehend having a nurturing mother. Then some grown adult pretends to love and nurture her like a “mother”. That is abuse to me. I would be fighting mad if someone did that to my child when they were hurt and vulnerable. I said all this to explain my feeling of TM and I respect your right to disagree. Thanks, Treece
Hi cent, glad you mentioned him saying Haleigh was dead that was one I forgot. He did that, told the gun story, quoted Ron on the rat deal, and hired the “mother” all after he got mad at them over the LDT. To me he got mad and had a tantrum. It became about his anger and his ego not Haleigh. But I do agree in the past he has helped many families. But I respect your opinion, too.
Hope you have a great Christmas!!!!
Treece,
How do we know that Tim Miller “pretended” to be Ron’s friend? How do we know that he was not being sincere with Ron?
We have not been given the entire scoop as to why ground searches were called off but I am certain that there is more reason for that than what any of us are aware of yet.
The use of LDT’s are controversial and that is not a new argument. The argument has been around for a long period of time. It is a known fact that guilty people in the past have managed to pass them only to then be found guilty later.
That controversial argument is far from new and that fact in itself leads me to believe that it is highly possible that Misty was being forced to take the tests just as we were told. GGMa Sykes apparently made threats that Misty take those tests or else.
What did any of them have to lose?
“If” Misty failed them then no harm no foul, they would just pull out the controversy card if and when that happened, which it did.
It would still look good on Misty if she took the tests no matter pass or fail and easy peasy if she fails then just open the door to argument on the tests ability to provide accurate results.
If Misty were being truthful then why did she have to be threatened by anyone to take these tests, let alone, by none other than GGma Sykes of all people?
And wasn’t it T.Neves, Ron Cummings Mother who is also a trained dispatcher for LE in another area who called all of this into play?
As I said, no harm, no foul.
Hello’
IMO Donna Brock was hired/asked to get close to Misty for 2 reasons.
1)To find out what she could
2)To try to befriend/Mother Misty because TM felt that Misty did not have a good relationship with her own mother and needed a “friend”. We don’t know that TN or GGMA didn’t tell TM that Misty needed someone to teach her how to be a lady. (Maybe they felt they had tried and failed or M wouldn’t let them close enough.) Then after M was told that Donna was just trying to “fool” her, it all slid downhill. I’m not sure that evil intent was in play where Donna is concerned.
I agree with Tuff Stuff about LDT.
A quote from Mother Teresa:
(This hung on the wall of the children’s home she ran in Calcutta)
People are often unreasonable, irrational, and self-centered….Forgive them anyway
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives….Be kind anyway
If you are successful, you will win some unfaithfull friends and some genuine enemies…Succeed anyway
If you are honest and sincere people may decieve you….Be honest and sincere anyway
What you spend years creating, others can destroy overnight…..Create anyway
If you find serenity and happiness, some may be jealous…Be happy anyway
The good you do today, will often be forgotten…Do good anyway
Give the best you have and it will never be enough…Give your best anyway
In the final analysis, it is between you and God
It was never between you and them anyway.
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!!!
PS Sorry Pinkie/Humbled…did it not arrive? I’ll send again…sorry.
Tuff Stuff, the reason I say TM “pretended” is because of the fact that he went public with what Ron supposedly did or said, months later. You can’t tell me it was to protect JR when it was not done immediately.
My argument with the LDT is not the normal weakness in the results. My point against TM is the way he had it given, badgering Misty, recording and airing the test. That was for TM’s attention. If it was ONLY to get info for Haleigh’s sake show LE not the world.
Hollysgmom, “Misty needed a friend” is someone who is hired to deceive, lie, and manipulate a friend?? If you are concerned about Misty not having a good relation with her mother is giving her a “FRAUD ONE” going to help her EVER trust anyone enough to talk???
Haleigh is MISSING, I doubt TN or GGMA gave a crap whether Misty has lessons in being a lady.
“Slid down hill after”, lied to, deceived and humiliated publicly…..yes, I think that would be good reason to flush that little “mother”, too. I don’t know what you mean by evil intent but lying, prying, manipulating, deceiving, and intentionally humiliating certainly doesn’t sound noble or honorable to me. Donations to TM Texas Equusearch are for SEARCH & RESCUE according to his web site. To me they are NOT for PI, LDT, deceitful games, manipulations, or undercover “mothers”.
Glad we can discuss our different views and opinions that is what keeps this blog interesting. All of us blabbing our 2 cents worth doesn’t change much but it keeps this case in our hearts and prayers. May God help someone find this little girl!! To Him she is not lost!! Merry Christmas Eve!!
I never thought TM was a liar. It was Teresa Neves I believe that sought out Mark Nejame and Tim Miller. Tim Miller did not seek out Ron and Misty. It was reported that TM did report to LE about Ron and the gun in the mouth and it was reported here at BNN that others had witnessed Ron stating he was going to kill Misty if she had anything to do with Haleighs disappearance. This was not his first time he had made these threats and LE was notified each time. TM also said there were other witnesses in the room that heard Ron tell the ratgate incident and lets not forget there was a witness that says she saw Rons truck and this is why he got Misty to lie for him.She said she waved as he passed by her as he was leaving. I wondered why TM made the statement about Haleigh being deceased. Perhaps he based it on the answer she gave on the LDT and voice analysis and lets not forget the fake rose Misty told them about, that LE did find as they were looking for a possible grave.Misty tells them she believes Haleigh is alive, but leads them to a fake rose in the woods. Tim Miller also stated he hopes he is wrong and so do I, but unfortunately it is a possibility. I know if it were me, I cannot speak for Ron, I would want anyone to get close to the one that last saw my child in hopes to find them. There is nothing I wouldn’t do or try. Ron and Misty were already practicly divorced when he notified her about Donna Brock.
I think Ron alerted Misty because he knew she was going to find out and he didnt want her to think he had anything to with it, then she would stay in Satsuma till he could find out where his daughter is. Ron said he asked for the divorce but I wouldnt put money on it. Misty was getting bored just sitting around,remember she is a teenager and a partier. Ron was probably getting pretty boring to her ,always looking for his daughter and not paying attention to her. Also no money and living with his Grandma, she would be under scrutiny 24/7. jmo
The drug tests are very sensative now, the water cleansing no longer works because your urine comes out too diluted and they can tell.
My husband is a truck driver and his company drug tests yearly and on a random basis. That means he goes into work and they say hey lets go to the health works and get your random now.
There is no chance to clean up or anything.
They even warned them at a meeting and showed how the tests are pretty much unbeatable.
Most insurance companies want hair folicle tests for heavy equiptment operators because of the personal danger to other employees in the work area.Lawsuits from injured workers caused a lot to change in drug testing.imho
I was just going over the you tube video of misty stress test. Ron and Misty would definetly have known what she wore to school that day, they had to drive clear to the Grandmas to get the outfit she wore.And in one part Misty messes up and says Tommy was at the MH that night then covers up the slip.
I also believe that the Morning America show she did was to deflect interest away from her.
Remember Ron has decided to divorce her for some reason, Tommy has said she was not at the MH,she was involved in the road rage thing, and
Donna Brock was on a mission to get info. Her world and lies are falling apart so she places blame away from herself.jmo
Oops I also forgot to mention that on the Good Morning show she says that Crystal has said that Haliegh and Crystal didnt have a good relationship. When did you ever hear Crystal say anything like that? That is a really big lie, Crystal always maintained that Haliegh and Junior had a good relationship with her.
I also dont see any animosity in Crystal when she says that the kids loved Misty, Crystal evidently did not feel threatened by Misty being with her kids. I think Misty felt threatened by Crystals involvement with her kids because Misty wanted all of them to herself. jmo
Well thats all for a while. Everyone have a Merry Christmas. All of my family are about to descend on me so I have to go, wished Ron was as lucky.
Tobias,
There are tests out there that are very sensitive like you say but they are very costly. Not all who do the drug testing proceedures are able to afford the higher level test kits. I just wanted to point that out. I’m not saying that those higher sensitivity tests weren’t being used because I simply do not know the answer on that.
With the economy the way that it is, it is also hard to say where budgeting shortcuts might be or are being applied.
It would ne good to know what type of test(s) were being used at that time though.
Good question.
I would also like to say Happy Holidays to everyone. May the new year bring peace and prosperity for all.
Just saw on Satsuma topix forum that Tommy stole a beer from the local Kangaroo and when PCSO went to get him they couldnt find him. hmm.Another arrest for Tommy maybe in the works, hope so. Guess Santa isnt going to bring beer for the Croslins this year, they must be on the naughty list lol.
The bridge company he worked for is a huge national company, they would have plenty of money for the drug tests. You can google the company and see how large they are.
Good grief!
Tommy, Life is like a box of chocolates lol
My last comment was about TC. (You type fast lol!)
About the bridge company, PDM right? I would assume that would be so but you know what they say about the word assume?
I’m not sure what to say about it.
I think Ron was on his way to becoming a decent hard working person when all this crap happened. I think he was finally getting his life in order. He just didnt have enough time to get his home life straight.imho
Tobias I agree with you. I believe that Ron loves his Children and I have never ever questioned that.
We are all human beings and not a one of us perfect. Bad things happen to good people and sometimes bad things happen to people who were trying to do even better.
Think about it he finally gets a really good job, better than most in the area. With this chance he can finally get somewhere. His only mistake was trusting Misty and getting involved with her. Everyone involved with her since this happened ends up in jail, she was bad news from the beginning. She saw Ron as a meal ticket out of her miserable life but she just messed up his life too. jmo
Well see ya later have a great Christmas Tuff.
We are all accountable for our own actions.
I have said it before and I’ll say it again here,
We are all human beings trying to be spiritual but in reality we are all spiritual beings trying to be human.
We all make mistakes but the mistakes that we make belong only to us.
It is also a mistake to believe that our mistakes are between us and God only. As I stated in my earlier posts, what we do affects everyone around us. Good things we do are positive influences, negative things hurt everyone and that is neither fair, nor right nor just. Especially when Children are involved as they are the innocent ones in all of this.
O/T
I read in my local news yesterday about a case of an abused 5 year old little boy. The abuse was occurring 20 miles away from me and I sat there reading about what had been done to him and all I could do was cry. The Mother ignored what her gang member boyfriend had been doing to this little guy. He had beaten the boy as he would another gang member, he had raped him and starved him. LE had found him lying face down in a closet covered in bruises, starving and dehydrated. The abuse had been going on for a long period of time. I saw the pictures of the boyfriend and Mother in the article and I recalled seeing these people in a store just a few months ago. I live in a failry small area and the man is hard to miss. The boy was crying loudly and it didn’t make sense the way he was crying. He sounded like how a 2 year old would frantically cry and the boyfriend rushed passed everyone as though he were aggitated not only by the crying, but by anyone who was noticing it also.
I sensed that something was wrong but what if this Child were mentally challenged? What if the boy had stolen something and was crying because he had just been confronted about it? What if? What if I had called the store employees attention to the situation? Why didn’t the store employees notice it themselves? What could I have done better that might have helped this little boy sooner? What could anyone have done under the cirumstances?
Both the gang member boyfriend and the Mother have fled and LE is currently looking for them. May today be the day that they are found and brought to justice and may that little boy heal from any and all of the bad things that were done to him.
i have been a faithful reader of bnn on Haleigh since back in the spring. i have never posted my thoughts, theories or wishes on this case. i dont blog, i read and decipher facts from fiction (hard to do with this sad story). i still shake my head in disbelief at everything surrounding this case.
i just felt the need to thank all the bnn posters for your info, jan,simon and tj for keeping Haleigh’s name out there. without this site i feel there would be no information or updates.
for Haleigh’s family….if you read this…please know that there are people out here that have not forgotten and wish for resolution and peace for you.
merry christmas, happy holidays and best wishes to all.
I was hoping for better news today. Guess PCSO still hasnt gotten off their collective a–es and arrested Misty. I am sure she cant stay out of trouble for too much longer. Please guys find out what happened to Haleigh and give her justice. This has dragged on for too long and it must be pure torture for those that love her. Mistys brother is rumored to have stolen a beer from the local Kangaroo and was being looked for by PCSO on the scanner reports from someone in Satsuma. This was on a forum out of Satsuma Florida, but who knows it could be bogus too. jmo
Tobias, do you think there is any possibility that Misty doesn’t know anything, that she may have been used, that she could possibly be a victim to this crime, too??
Don’t you think if LE really thought she held the key to finding Haleigh that they would have found a reason to lock her up a long time ago??
Just food for thought. Hope you are having a good day. Treece
I find her waking up at the best possible time not a coincedence, I dont believe any of her story. It is truthful up until grandma Sykes leaves, then it is all inconsistant with what she told LE the first time. There were only two people with opportunity to unlock the back door after Ron left for work,Tommy or Misty.
You can bet LE has at least some evidence on Misty to put this much pressure on her and they do say she is the key in all of this.jmo
Tobias, I respect your opinion. My thinking is LE has put so much pressure and attention on Misty as a distraction because they have nothing else to offer. However, if they really had any evidence against her they would surely have acted up on it months ago. But I could be totally wrong. JMO, too. Have a good day. Treece
inconsistancies that we know of:
1.wakes up to pee, wakes up for a drink, and wakes up because the light from the kitchen is glaring in on her.
2.What Haliegh was watching on the TV.
3.Where Haliegh was sleeping.
4.What Haliegh wore to bed.
5.Doing laundry with no soap?
6.Door open when it closes by itself to a fraction of an inch. She says it wide open.
7.Doesnt call 911 until Ron arrives.
8. Also states that Jr. rolled over top of her at one point. If you are that sound asleep like she claims you would not remember that.
They know that she did not act alone and they dont have enough for a conviction. thats just my opinion. Sorry but I think she is up to her eye balls in this. I also believe the Cummings feel this way too thats why the Divorce and why she isnt living with one of them and showing up at the vigil. LE wants the conviction to stick. jmo
I dont believe the Sheffields hiding her out theories. That would have been very hard to do without alot of people involved and why wouldnt they take Jr.? They would have to get the door open, then find where Haliegh was sleeping, all without waking anyone. Then leave and have someone hide her for 10 months?
Why? Crystal nor any of them can ever go see her, they will be watched forever. Thats just too long to be hiding a child in my opinion.
I dont believe they were really that keen on even getting custody of her from Ron in the first place. All she would have to do is get a job and be drug free, then try for custody again. I believe the arrangement was fine with Crystal except for the child support and she could have got that changed real easy.jmo
Most of the parental abducions are because the parent that lost custody has either abuse of the child or some other reason for losing custody. Crystal had nothing keeping her from having custody except she had no means of support or health insurance. Haleigh was going to need insurance and money because of her health problems. Also if there were hard feelings between Ron and Crystal, Ron could have denied visitation until Crystal paid her child support. jmo
Also the draining of the pond was mighty expensive to do on a hunch. This may prove out to be from some evidence they have that we dont know about. LE still claims it was unrelated but that they were still looking as a procaution. Maybe they had evidence that some one in this group was at or near this pond on that night. Remember they have all the cell phone pings and we do not. jmo
Tobias, I think many of the things you call inconsistencies aren’t and much of this is just your speculations. But one thing that is just incorrect is your last statement. It was too late for Crystal to “have got that changed real easy”. Crystal’s time of dealing with that or getting things changed was already passed. The fact is she let all that time lapse and made no attempt to take care of it and it had gone past any grace time and all limits the court allows. There was not an easy fix and she was close to going to jail on this one. I think it was for 3 years that she had ignored paying her child support and ignoring all the warnings and inquiries from the courts. She was behind $12K and had made no attempt to try to work it out.
Not sure if anyone else had heard about T.Holmseth’s new article. I found the you tube link of T.H.’s conversation with Major Gary Bowling very informative. I believe T.H. was asking about the faked search and secondary crime scene. T.H. was questioning LE’s apparent lack of interest. It was very revealing when the Major said that everything LE does is very calculated. The Major then added that he viewed someone who would do that as someone who had an agenda.
I personally do not care who it was that caused Haleigh Cummings to disappear. I am just another concerned citizen who wants this little girl and all missing Children found. My heart also goes out to the family members who are suffering the loss of their Child.
I believe that LE will solve this case. I 100% trust their judgement. Unlike us nobodies who are looking at this from afar, those folks are there doing their jobs and they know a lot more about this case than we do.
God speed to them all.
Sincerely.
Treece, I keep hearing differing amounts on the child support. Once I heard 4,000 then I hear 12,000. Is there writen proof of the exact amount she owed? And I believe if she could prove that she had no income for those years how could she pay? Ron didnt seem to have a problem with it. jmo
tobias, I couldn’t find the info on google but it was definitely $12K (remember the anonymous giver paying it off for her?) As I remember it Ron was not going after her it was the state. Evidently she was to pay it through the courts and had never once paid, not even when she was working. I can’t remember if the limit was the $$ amount she owed or that she had gone past the time limit of 3 years but one or the other caused a series of events to happen. Warning her to make arrangements with the court or they would proceed with prosecution. Crystal let that time elapse and she was scheduled to appear in court Feb 10th. The very next day after Haleigh came up missing. It didn’t matter that Ron didn’t have a problem with it. It also didn’t excuse her that she didn’t have income at the time. She had ignored all the things she should have done earlier to work it out with the state and keep them informed.
As far as the child support and it being a motive for HaLeigh’s abduction, I personally find it difficult to believe that Crystal was seriously on her way to the hoosegow. I would think that, that clan knows charges of abduction is a bit more difficult to get out of than non payment of monies owed.
Okay, now I must ask this question…… Has anyone heard from/contacted LawShrink?
What bothers me about the “Sheffield” abduction theory being about monies owed to the state is this: if she had paid even $50.00, one time, they would have had to start over the “time period” since a payment had been made. I’ve seen it several times. Relatives have asked me to accompany them to Child Support court with thier ex. The female being the custodial parent in all of the cases I witnessed. The male goes to court, sometimes up to 3 different times before jailed. Then, if he makes a payment of at least $50.00, then jail is off and a payment schedule is agreed to. It takes another 3 months to drag the deadbeat back into court because he decided after initial or a couple of payments to stop paying again. I know a man who went 14 yrs without paying a dime…no jail time, no drivers license lost, no real problems ever. The only reason he was able to do so was because the mother never had to apply for state assistance. If and when a parent applies for Medicaid (pretty sure Haleigh would have been), food stamps, or AFDC (Aid For Dependant Childen) they MUST provide all info on the absentee parent or be denied.
So, if Crystal had paid any money at all, she would not have been facing jail time. She would not have had to abduct Haleigh to clear this up. Child Support Enforcement personell really do try to give people ever opportunity to pay up. They know that once a parent is incarerated, they definately can’t pay so jail is the very last option to get a parent to comply. Ron would not have to “push” the issue either. Haleigh’s TS & Ronald’s lack of financial stability would mean Haleigh was on Medicaid. That is the exact reason Crystal was being persued for CS. Ronald might not mind her being a deadbeat mom, but the state of FL sure does.
Hollysgmom, thanks for the info on how that cs thing works. If I understood it right when Kim P was working on it Crystal had already passed all her warnings and been served to appear in court for I thought what was going to be sentencing because she had ignored all the states warnings. She had never ever paid one penny since the divorce. You are right only a deadbeat mom would be in that position. No matter what her problems were in 3 or 4 years she could have paid something. JMO Treece
I do believe too that no matter what, Crystal should have been doing what she could for her children, just like anyone else. I do find it funny that one of the reason “reported” as to why she lost custody was lack of medical coverage!!! How many people living the life that they are, actually have major coverage besides something that is state funded?
Crystal would still have to pay child support on Haliegh until she is proven deceased. She also would have to pay for Junior.Also I thought child support was based on your income?
Which Crystal doesnt have.Also now that the State knows Ron could possibly be Jordans bio dad are they going to make him pay child support? They should because Jordan is being taken care of by the State.
I dont believe the parents had anything to do with Halieghs dissappearence. I believe it was Misty and Tommy and possibly Joe. I dont believe it was intentional but it happened and they are lying about what happened that night.
Everything points to them, the van, Tommy going to the MH twice that day, he was the only one with opportunity to open the door,Joe has motive because of the fight over the gun, Misty is just covering because she is involved after the fact and will go to jail for abetting in a crime. jmo
I have also been wondering what the fight between Misty and Amber was about. If Misty was no longer going with Ron why fight with Amber? Did anyone ever say what exactly happened to start the fight? I would really like to hear why they fought. Its odd that NayNay tells all in her interveiw with Cobra but doesnt get into that part of the weekend. jmo
Tobias, I think your theory is one of many possibilities of what happened that night. I am also not saying that Crystal is responsible but it is one of the possibilities. A fact is that Haleigh’s disappearance DID change things for Crystal. She did NOT have to appear in court the following day, it was canceled due to Haleigh being missing. Also, “someone” paid $12,000 on Crystal’s back child support so I would say that changed ALOT for her. I am not saying she did this, I am saying you can’t rule it out as one possibility. You must be personal with her because everything you say is always on her defense. I am just trying to say there are many possibilities and Crystal is one of them. She definitely had something to gain.
I do not know Crystal personally and live very far from the area, but to say she had something to do with this based on child support just doesnt fly with me. In my opinion Crystal was okay with the situation for four years and to all of a sudden change her mind and have Haliegh abducted is far fetched. She in my opinion had moved on with her life and even had Cloe , she just didnt seem to interested in Haliegh except on the visitation weekends. She wasnt that involved in Haleighs life or Juniors and to say she would abduct her to get out of a court date is just too much of a stretch for me, sorry. She could have paid off her child support a little at a time so it really is a mute topic.
I think Crystal is guilty but just guilty for not being a good mother, not for abducting Haleigh. And there are alot of men who are bad fathers too. jmo
I didn’t say Crystal did this, I said it is a possibility. You keep hammering “it’s Misty” and there is no proof of that either, it is just a possibility. JMO but I am agreeing to disagree, we just about talked this one in the ground.
I also believe LE knows exactly what happened and they will get the people involved as soon as they have enough evidence to convict them.
If you follow the news from the area they deal with alot of murders down there, they know what they are doing. I just wished they would hurry this up and give Haleighs family the answers they deserve. jmo
Treece, You are intitled to your opinion , but so am I. We can agree to disagree on this I am sure. We both want the same outcome, to find Haleigh.
Although every scenario must be looked at. I just don’t see the Crystal angle. I do see that things have changed for her, but I see those changes as being just a result of. And in fairness, there were “perks” for Ron, also.
I know someone will come along and dispute the above, and that’s fine. ‘Cause I really DO NOT like speaking of these parents in this light, but it’s reality.
Tobias, you are so right, we definitely agree that we want Haleigh found asap. Have a good afternoon. Treece
Cent, I agree. Crystal got out of the child support but Ron received the money he was owed in back child support. So in the end Crystal really would have gained nothing. jmo
I think both parents are not involved in her disappearence. I am really sorry for them and this must be the worst prolonged torture imaginable and PCSO needs to get this solved for them ASAP. JMO
Does anyone know what happened to the offer from the Laura Foundation? Also any news about FBI involvement? Did this all just dry up and go away? Why? Is the forestry guy still doing his own searches on his property close to the MH? There seems to be little to no news about ANYONE DOING ANYTHING. JMO
I checked for updates over the weekend and didn’t see any. You’re right about the parents, it has to be torture for them both. I do wish that the case gets resolved asap.
I have to say the parents sure are doing better than I would be. I would have probably been arrested several times by now. My patience is not my best virtue and if I had any suspitions it would take an army to stop me. jmo
News out of Palatka there was a robbery of 1300 oxicodone on Sunday by a presumed armed may in a nissan pathfinder. This place is really crazy. Would be great if its you know who, hmmm. jmo
Tobias,
I have to agree about being arrested. When it comes to my son’s safety and well-being, I’ve got a bit of a reputation at all the schools he has attended, not to mention hospitals. My family calls me Mommy Fierce. Not flattering… but I’ll keep it.
Tobias: You ask some very good questions, so I thought I’d give you the answers, as has been in my own or witnessed experiences.
Tobias said,in December 28th, 2009 at 11:36 am Crystal would still have to pay child support on Haliegh until she is proven deceased. She also would have to pay for Junior.Also I thought child support was based on your income?
Yes, it is based on your income, however, the least amount an “absentee” parent is obligated to pay is $200.00, if there are 2 children to pay for they increase by 1/2 - 2/3 the initial amount. SO, Crystal should have been abligated to between $200.00 and up to $400.00 per month whether she had an income or not. The child still has to have clothes, eat, dentist, etc So it would be up to Crystal to make sure it got paid, however. Some women luck up on a guy with some money and get him to “help” her out, then latter with thier new found stability they try to take the kid(s).
Which Crystal doesnt have.Also now that the State knows Ron could possibly be Jordans bio dad are they going to make him pay child support?
Absolutely! Very very soon now the State will be testing Jordan, his Mommy, and up to 5 different men as per DNA in an effort to locate the “culpable” party. UH, somome’s gonna pay, might be Ron, might not. Children are usually just turning 2 when thier tests come up. The absentee parent must back-pay once
paternity has been established.
They should because Jordan is being taken care of by the State. (They will)
I dont believe the parents had anything to do with Halieghs dissappearence. I believe it was Misty and Tommy and possibly Joe. I dont believe it was intentional but it happened and they are lying about what happened that night.
Everything points to them, the van, Tommy going to the MH twice that day, he was the only one with opportunity to open the door,Joe has motive because of the fight over the gun, Misty is just covering because she is involved after the fact and will go to jail for abetting in a crime. jmo
Tobias I totally agree with the last part. Everything seems to point in that direction, not to mention TC has seemed to be in self-destruct mode ever since….:(
treece;
“treece said,in December 27th, 2009 at 9:10 pm Hollysgmom, thanks for the info on how that cs thing works. If I understood it right when Kim P was working on it Crystal had already passed all her warnings and been served to appear in court for I thought what was going to be sentencing because she had ignored all the states warnings. She had never ever paid one penny since the divorce.”
Yes, it is my understanding that Crystal had let it go that far, however, she would not have been threatened with jail time if she had paid ANY money. They would have seen it as a Good Faith type payment and would have taken jail out of the equation immediately. Maybe Crystal didn’t know that. Maybe she thought she had to pay it all or else so she froze up about what to do, feeling it was impossible & insurmountable. I doubt it though. Someone surely had told her about a dead-beat dad and how they had “slipped by again”. God, knows I’ve heard it enough. Dead beat moms too…
treece said,in December 28th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
I agree that it still could have been Crystal, just that it was so unecissary for the situatio. Even if she went to court that next morning all she had to do was show up with some cash!!Her mom, dad, uncle, cousin, boyfriend, any of them could have given her some money to pay and she would have been ok. The court doesn’t care who’s money it is, just that it gets paid. Jail would then be off the table, by law I think. They have to give them more time to pay up. Once in jail they can’t pay, so it is a very last resort.
cent said,in December 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
LOL, I so know what you mean, Tiger & her cub(s). Me too…it now exstends to the Grand Baby. I tell my friends & family that when I had my children I didn’t think I could ever love anyone more…then along came Holly. I now tell people that I love my daughter…but I’ll hurt her over that baby!?! It’s carzy but true, lol
I don’t understand Crystal much. Maybe she had post-partum depression that was never treated, or a borderline thyroid condition undiagnosed, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome? I don’t know…but when she tells the court that she couldn’t get out of bed…I think that should have been evaluated. Maybe we need to assess these parents to see if there is a medical reason they are not complying….She might have still orcastrated an abduction, maybe partially for CS reasons, but I think more-so about making R & M look bad and getting custody of both Haleigh & Jr. IMO It’s still a possiblity. I discuss this some in my series, as to what might have happened & why. Not so much who, but more-so a reason it was done & who would have the most to gain by it. also JMO
There are many questions to be answered regarding this account by Tommy, why did the Police not charge both Tommy and his wife with obstruction and maybe more? They certainly had the grounds considering they lied for seven months they were both questioned several times by Police in that time frame there for they lied and that is obstruction. Why did the Police fail to bring Lindsay in and keep her separated from her husband “Tommy” while he was giving his big account of events? Why did they not drill her while her husband was in another room? I bet the answers would of been different and Police know it. They have not charged them or carry out the opportunity that way because it may have presented or present to them a different out come than the one they wanted to hear. They became so engulfed in being right about Misty and hanging Misty they forgot to do right by Haleigh and seek the truth even if it did not present what they were so focused on. They became focused on Misty and forgot Haleigh. Ronald Cummings and his family have every right to be very concerned about this department. It is unfortunate that Crystal Sheffield did not and tends not to stop and sink her teeth into questions that need to be asked in stead of just jumping on the band wagon of Misty jump on the band wagon of Justice for Haleigh it’s unfortunate she is taken so easily by gossip.
Here are some facts; proof in the pudding to sort of speak
Tommy Croslin and his Mother went to a neighbour a blind man there they stole a gun and cheques. Several days or weeks later Hank SR Croslin or Tommy’s mother “there are conflicting stories on that” went to Tommy Croslin’s home retrieved the gun and returned it to the blind neighbour only when he threatened to go to the Police. What is fact about that? The fact that is evident in that is this families ability to lie and cover up. Either Lindsay Croslin knew the gun was there and knew how her husband got the gun and cooperated in hiding it and keeping it which means by fact she helped her husband lie and cover up a crime. Scenario 2 Lindsay Croslin did not know it was there and her husband lied about it and lied about where he was when he was stealing the gun if it is this scenario then obviously he did not tell her he was out at the neighbours stealing a gun. What is the fact in that? Fact is he will commit a crime lie about his where abouts to his wife and conceal evidence from that crime in his own home even if it places his children at risk. It has to be one way or the other she knew or she did not either way their behaviour speaks volumes they speak facts in what they do. Hank SR and his wife fled to Tennessee for a while prior to doing so Hank SRS wife cashed a cheque one stolen from the blind neighbour and cashed it fraudulently there are two possibilities that happened here either Hank’s wife took the cheques with out letting Hank know and cashed it with out letting him know. In order to that she had to lie to her husband about where she was when she actually took the cheques, where she was when she cashed the cheques and how she suddenly came up with the extra cash. In that scenario what it means is that Tommy’s mother will assist and participate in crimes with her son lie to family and her husband out it and conceal it from Police. 2 Scenario is Hank knew the cheques were stolen from the blind neighbour he knew it when he returned the gun and did not offer the cheques because they had not been caught with them. He participated with his wife in cashing it and concealing the crime. That behaviour to me speaks volumes based on the actual behaviour of these people the actual character of them. Proof is in the pudding for me!
God bless Haleigh and all her families
Has anyone heard anything about the Croslin kids? Has child services done anything to protect them from these parents and grandparents that are surely drug addicts and theives? What are they waiting for another tragidy? jmo
Dusty, That is my point on how good a liar Misty is she was raised by these people and has had 18 years to hone her lying skills, she is smart in those reguards. Many people have said she is uneducated and couldnt fool the police, but I say she is way advanced in criminal activity and how to lie her way out of trouble. I also believe she is really good a the scam games her parents have done in the past.Out of her own mouth “THATS HOW MY FAMILY IS”.The apple doesnt fall from the tree. jmo
I wonder about the phone call to Tommy from Ron and why PCSO didnt ask Ron if he called there that night and who answered the phone?
And why it took Tommy getting arrested to get the truth out about that call? Were they hoping to get more out of him? Did they think Misty answered that call at Tommys house? That she left the MH and was at that MH instead of being with Haleigh and Junior? I am sure Ron would have told them he called Tommy as soon as he had to set up a time line. Unless PCSO didnt want Tommy to know they knew about the phone call. I beleive they know who is involved but lack enough evidence to convict. jmo
Also it never gets explained why Mistys blanket is in the van they took? Why would it be in the van? Does anyone know why? The van was at Chelsea and Tims house, how did her blanket get in the van and when? It is also said that LE was going back several weeks before this happened, what do they know about those weeks? And evidence was found very early on that we dont know anything about. jmo
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