Wednesday I wrote an article about a 10 year old boy killed by his 17 year old brother but there was no details given as to what happened between the brothers to have caused this. It is hard for me to get past the facts that not only are these kids so young but they are killing their own relatives now.
Well according to Fox News we now are given a more detailed explanation as to what happened as it was given by the teenager himself when he talked to the investigators.
Andrew Conley of Rising Sun, Indiana talked to the investigators in a calmly fashion and showed absolutely no remorse or emotion about what he has done to his little brother. He admits to strangling little Conner while the two of them wrestled Sunday. He said later he took his brother’s body and dumped it near a park close to the Ohio River community about 90 miles southeast of Indianapolis.
He told the investigators that he has had fantasies about killing someone since he was in the eighth grade. He had always wanted to cut someone’s throat. He wanted to feel just like a character on a Showtime Series on TV called “Dexter”. He claims that killing his brother satisfied his craving like a hamburger would satisfy a hunger pain.
“Like I had to… like when people have something like they are hungry and there is a hamburger sitting there and they knew they had to have it and I was sitting there and it just happened,” said Conley in an affidavit.
The two of them were wrestling while their parents were at work. Andrew put Conner in a headlock until he passed out and fell to the floor. He then dragged his brother to the kitchen and got a pair of gloves on and began choking him. He says he choked him for about 20 minutes and didn’t let go until he saw blood flowing from Conner’s nose and mouth. He says his brother’s last words to him were, “Andrew, stop”
He then put a plastic bag over his head and he used black electrical tape to make sure it didn’t come off as he drug the body down to the basement. He then took the body from the home to the trunk of his car but he struck Conner’s head on the ground a few times first.
Andrew then drove to his girlfriend’s house and while his dead brother lay in the trunk of his car he presented his girlfriend with a sweetheart ring. Later she told investigators that Andrew “seemed happy, more happy that she has seen him in a while.”
Andrew Conley also admitted to the investigators that the very morning he killed his brother he had stood over his father’s bed earlier and thought about killing him as he had a knife in his hand.
The teen went to the police Sunday night and admitted to killing his brother and he took them to where he had dumped the body.
All of this sends chills down my spine. It is so upsetting to hear details of what happened. Knowing this kind of stuff goes through someone’s mind that is so young is scary. Remember the case with 15 year old Alyssa Bustamante killing 9 year old Elizabeth Olten after claiming she did it just so she could find out what it felt like to kill someone.
Also I reported about the death of little 4 year old Alex Christopher Mercado from Mendota, California who was killed by a 14 year old that threw him inside a dryer after he killed him.
I have to wonder if these cases had any bearings on why Andrew decided to go through with his fantasies. Perhaps it made that desire stronger. Or was it really the TV show that is aired on Showtime?
All I know is that something has to be done. Parents need to monitor their children’s behaviors more. They need to look more for signs of trouble. Laws need to be stricter on murderers, child abusers, sex offenders. Stop this little slap on the hand punishment only to be told to go home and just don’t do it again theory. There is lots of desert areas in the west with no developments on it. Let the governments set up lines and lines of tents in the areas and surround them by electric fences and make the prisoners live there without the benefits of air conditioners, TV or radios. Have them take showers outside with homemade showers fixed up. Give them three meals a day without snacks for their pleasure. Don’t give them any pleasurable times. Make life pure hell for them.
These days prisoners live better than some of our own citizens do that have never done anything against the law. I am sure to some a roof over there head and a bed to sleep in with three meals a day sounds like living at the Ritz Carlton Hotel. It would almost be tempting to some to do something like kill someone just so they could have a place to live. If I sound harsh I mean to be. I am not talking about someone that runs a traffic light and got in trouble for it. I am talking about the REAL criminals. The ones that are set free so the prison cells can have more room for the minor offenders. It should be right opposite. What is wrong with our system, can’t they see that?
OK I will quit with my ranting. I am just so damn mad at our system that is not protecting our children. I am an American and I have a right to demand that our children are protected better. Someone needs to stand for their rights. They have a right to live.
Please join me in my daily prayers for these children. Please help the ones that are lost, find their way home. The ones that have gone from this earth I pray that they can rest in peace. My list includes: Caylee Anthony (found dead), Adji Desir (remains missing), Haleigh Cummings (remains missing), Somer Thompson (found dead), Elizabeth Olten (found dead) , Masaraha Ross (remains missing), Alex Mercado (drowned) Rebecca Marie Allen (found alive), Sandra Cantu (found dead), Anthony Holland (found alive), Shaniya Davis (found dead), Hassani Campbell (remains missing), Giovanni Gonzalez (reported dead), Nevaeh Buchanan ( found dead) and Shannon Dedrick (found alive), Angel Miguel Perez (found safe) Luis Martinez (found dead) Luke Finch (found alive), Kayvon Lewis (fighting for his life), Andrue Jankwitz and Nathaneal Hale (found safe) and Conner Conley (killed).
God bless these children and their families too.
Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackJan, and add Robert Manwill, dead, at the hands of the very people who were supposed to protect him from all harm.
This is a truly tragic story. I don’t know how you could bear to write about it. While I totally agree with your ideas of punishment for those convicted, what to do about the instances like this, and little Elizabeth, where no one ever saw it coming? How the parents and family of these brothers are coping, I have no idea. I can only hope that one day they find peace again, but it will be a long time in coming, if ever. The emotional ramifications of what has happened will shape the rest of their lives. Can you imagine the task of hiring someone to protect your child in a court of law for killing his own brother? I can’t.
It’s time for EVERYONE to start RANTING!!!!! Life is not suppose to be like this, not this way, not for our children.
I’m just about speechless after reading this article. Did the parents truly see no signs that this 17 yo was troubled? Did he hide it that well? Standing over his father with a knife? Strangling his brother for 20 minutes until blood came out of his nose? Comparing the murder to eating a hamburger? What is going on? STOP THIS PLANET, I WANT OFF! People are flippin’ NUTS! Kids killing kids, kids killing parents, parents killing kids, the Thanksgiving Day murder where the brother killed his twin sisters, niece, Aunt and tried to kill others but his gun jammed. He wanted to punish his parents. FOR WHAT? GOOD GOD, what could they have possibly done to this loser that would make him want to kill the rest of the family members at Thanksgiving dinner? Something is going on and it needs to stop. I realize we live in a throw away society but now when we’re upset with a friend, family member or even a complete stranger we kill them and toss them aside like garbage. What happened to morals? Having a conscience? Does no one value life anymore? What caused this downward spiral in our culture? How do we stop it? CAN we stop it?
I believe he suffers from sociopathic behaviors, this is very hard for anyone to see. Even professional people can be fooled by them. Many mass muderers have this condition and no one even those close to them know it.
The ones that get help are aware that their feelings are not normal and ask for help to control those desires they have. Sad just so terribly sad. jmo jmo
Bundy was a classic case of a sociopathic murderer, they can be very charming people.
Tobias - So how many of these sociopathic freaks would you estimate are out there, unsuspected? That is a truly frightening thought. I don’t know which I find worse…the Casey Anthony marathon liar who kills her child and then tries to lie her way out of it and cover her partying and bed hopping….or these people that kill someone just to find out what it is like and then have zero remorse and don’t even BOTHER trying to lie or cover up their crime.
Tobias - so do you think there are more sociopaths these days or are we just hearing more about them because of the internet and 24/7 news? Has the world ALWAYS been this screwed up or are we just more aware of it now?
Tobias - you still here?
Tobias, you are right on, and JB, they have always existied, but with the internet we just hear about more and more of them. There is really no way to identify them until they actually do something terrible, unless, like Tobias said, they themselves realize their feelings aren’t normal and seek help.
there are claims that 4% of Americans can officially be diagnosed as sociopaths. all of the recent children killing children incidents prompted me to read the book _The Sociopath Next Door_ by Martha Stout, and I just finished a few days ago. I think this should be required reading for all Americans..
i think that the 17 yr old shoud get his ass in prisen and get in the death chair i’m 12 and i think that is so wrong
These are troubled times and the only answer we have to these things are from divine intervention. This whole thing is totally out of control, each day brings a new story of more tragedy involving our lands children. Parents need to be more aware of what type child they have, they can see issues if they look closely enough and do the job they are supposed to do. There is no way that some signs were not visible in this case, just no way. Parents are so content to just park their children in front of the t.v or video games just to have them out of their hair. Well, wake up folks! That ain’t the way it is to be done. We are given these babies to nuture, love and protect and to bring them up in such a manner that they are good citizens. I know there are no instruction books that come with babies but God gave us the nurturing side to use with them, please folks, use what he gave us and do the right thing. I agree with the twelve year old, this seventeen year old is beyond insane and has no place in society from that point on.
I often wish we lived the way we did when I was growing up. There was plenty of family time, the news was watched at 5:00 and 10:00 instead of 24/7, we could trick or treat without fear of razors or poison in our candy OR being molested, we left our doors unlocked, there was plenty of time to sit on the porch with the family without cell phones ringing, email beckoning our attention, video games that seem to encourage violent behavior or other distractions. Life was so simple then. Then came technology. Life is so fast-paced now, we’re WAY to politically correct and family values have all but vanished. Broken homes are the norm now. I grew up watching Happy Days and Leave it to Beaver. Now all you see is sex, violence, foul language, lies, murder and mayhem on TV. Kids are left to practically raise themselves and have not had good family morals instilled in them. It is a downward spiral that I fear will only continue.
In our modern society where we as adults are no longer allowed, and or fear disciplining our children, we have given up the one thing that’s kept our children safe, and that is a fear of consequences, a time out is not a consequence, it teaches nothing more then that prison might not be so bad, its just a long timeout. Its this lack of fear that has brought to the surface many latent sociopathic behaviors that have become rampant in modern times, and have given light to such dark “Fantasies”
TheRaha - hadn’t thought about that but you are right. I got my butt whooped growing up when I misbehaved and it always gave me pause if I was thinking about doing something I wasn’t suppose to. Spare the rod, spoil the child.
17 is not young as in “little child”,
I joined the marine corp at 17..
hes a murderer plain and simple and choose the weakest available victim.
I is hard to pinoint where it all starts but I do agree that children today get away with more, they are spoiled more, the are witness to more things that they should not be at their ages. Some are treated more and more like aults that they are not experiencing childhood like they should be. Too many kids are on the same level with adults these days. Even my kids have more electronics than I do. All of this must have an impact on the mind of a child. Our society seems less about protecting our children so that they can become decent adults in the future. I just don’t know where to start to fix it all. I do think that in many cases some parents should be charged as well, maybe that would make some more of them do their jobs as parents.
OJ’s Glove - you are right - 17 is no longer a “child” but it still chilling that one human could do this to another, irregardless of age and ESPECIALLY to a loved one/relative. I just can’t wrap my mind around this mentality of “wondering what it would be like to kill someone” much less following through with it and then talking about it and comparing it to being hungry for a hamburger. BLOWS MY MIND! The boy is obviousy mentally ill and a threat to society. I’m not sure you can “cure” a person like this. Whatever punishmenthe gets, he surely deserves. He thought it out, had been thinking about it for some time apparently. It was cold and calculated. I’m just sorry the parents and others in this boy’s life didn’t see this coming because an innocent child is now dead and a family now lays in ruin.
PAK31 - until this country gets back to the basics of God and family, we will never turn this around. Both parents working, leaving kids to raise themselves, violence on TV, games, broken homes, dysfunction in the home….it is a recipe for disaster and we’re starting to see it in the number of crimes like this one. Heck, my parents wouldn’t let me watch the news when I was little. I was sheltered from everything. Kids today see and KNOW everything. They don’t get the opportunity to enjoy a carefree youth. It is doom and gloom from their first gasp of air.
I am so disgusted that this young man could do this to his little brother and it makes me sick to my stomach thinking about that poor little boy’s last moments. What has happened to our humanity? Day after day we’re assaulted with stories of violence against children perpetrated not just be strangers but also by their own family members who they trusted. Perhaps most disturbing is the recent trend of teenage killers. All parents should be more involved in their children’s lives, paying attention to what they are doing and who they hang out with, nurturing them, teaching them, and showing how much their children are loved. Just as important though is that all adults should be more aware of what is going on around them. If you see a child who might be in danger, don’t be afraid to speak up. Whenever I see a child wandering alone in a store, I stop to check on them. I try to pay attention to the kids playing in our neighborhood and watch out for them. If we all paid a little more attention to not only our own children but also to those nameless kids that might not have anyone to look out for them, maybe we could make a difference.
Jan, please add 12 year old Jameshia Conner from Chicago, IL to your list. This 5th grader was missing for 2 weeks and I never heard a word about her until she was found murdered. If you do an internet search for her name, you will find nothing about her being missing until she was found and I couldn’t even find her on the missingkids.com website. My heart goes out to her family as well as to all of those missing and hurting children.
We need to know what is causing violence by children. It certainly is occurring much more frequently than it did when we were raised by parents with good intensions, ethics & morals, which seem a rarity in today’s youth. We need studies of these young perpetrators to question parenting, parents drug use, drug use in pregnancy, exposure to video games, what kind, what they watch on TV, movies, who they idolize and why, involvement in bullying behavior, animal cruelty, parents views on both, medications taken by kids and parents, etc., etc. With youth crime escalating as it is, I think getting these answers on how to prevent this is imperative to the survival of this planet!
So much is spent on prisons that we needs to be spent on prevention.
The judicial, social services and educational systems needs a complete overhaul. I think youth crime is the cumulative failure of all of these systems. Understaffing can no longer be an option. The necessity of prevention has risen to a new high that we can no longer ignore.
klcaud01 - If you are still here, it would be interesting to hear from a 12-year-old about your views. Do you find your school mates are exposed to a lot of violence on TV? Do some of them think it is cool? How about in video games? Do they do drugs? Do their parents? It’s been a long time since I was your age, so it would be interesting to hear your views! Thanks.
Mz - “The Sociopath Next Door” sounds like a very interesting book. Do they really feel that only 4% of the population are sociopathic, or just 4% have been diagnosed with it? I tend to think that many criminals we see as “sociopaths” are simply spoiled brats who never had any morals engrained by their parents.
JamieC - I hadn’t heard about Jameshia either. I don’t know if there are just too many missing/abducted children for the media to cover or what! This is getting ridiculous. I really only took an interest in missing children when the Caylee Anthony case happened. I have since tried to keep up with all the major cases and to think of ways to stop this madness. There seems to be so many of us who want to do something but none of us knows where to start. I think perhaps it starts at home with our own families and children, then in our own communities. I just feel so helpless and hopeless to stop this insanity. The Shaniya Davis case about pushed me over the edge. I just can’t believe the things parents will do to their children. This is a sick world we live in and it appears to be growing sicker by the day!
The world is a mad, crazy, evil place. The Bible predicted this behavior would happen in the end times before Jesus returns to take His church out of here. The thing is, we can assume there were “signs”, that the parents should have known, the school should have picked up on it, etc, but sometimes there are no signs. The only thing I know is that we want to leave God out of our society. It’s not politically correct to read the Bible or to live your life according to it’s principles and judgements, but when something horriffic and mindboggling and stomach turning like this happens, we all sit back and wonder why. Here’s what Jesus said, (and his word ring more and more true each day) “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.” (Matthew 10: 21-23. God forgive us all for turning our backs on you is all I can say
I would be grateful if someone would factor in for me the virtual lack of outcry for the 4,000 babies murdered in the USA, by abortion everyday.
Grannie
Marlena - Amen! They want to take the Ten Commandments out of public places, take “In God We Trust” off our money, don’t want us to pray at a school football game, can’t pray or mention religion in school, can’t even sing a Christmas son that mentions Jesus and Jesus is the reason for Christmas! HELLO! We’re so politically correct these days we strive to keep EVERYONE happy. Don’t want to offend anyone! Well I say TO HECK WITH THAT. If you don’t like the way this country was founded, MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. Don’t take away MY freedom of religion! People come to this country to escape their own and then try to turn THIS country into their old country! I say go back where you came from if you can’t accept our way of life! We shouldn’t have to change our beliefs for them! THAT and the lack of family values, morals and turning our backs on God have brought us to where we are now. HELL ON EARTH!
Grannie - I don’t believe in abortion and it truly is a hideous act. I think because people don’t see these babies they don’t have the same reaction as when a child is abducted, abused and murdered. It is easier to turn a blind eye to it because the unborn are not seen or heard. They are nameless individuals who disappear from the earth before they have had the chance to be welcomed into it. Doesn’t make it better or make it right….just more tolerable by our “civilization” because these babies are faceless, nameless victims.
I’m still on the fence in the case where a mother’s life is at risk or if a woman/young girl is raped and becomes pregnant. Should they be forced to carry that child to term? Could or would I want to? Would it be a reminder of the crime? Tough questions not easily answered…at least by me….JMO
I for one will NEVER omit God or Jesus from my vocabulary. I believe in God and his miracles and there is no one that can make me change my mind.
Jan Barrett
There are different types of sociopaths and if this 17 year old is one, he could have been raised in the best of enviroments and the outcome would still be the same. Except maybe if his parents were psycologists. The people with this mental disorder are born this way,they are not made by their enviroment.
It could be something that occurs before birth.
I am sure there are lots of theories and facts on studies of these people. jmo
Jan - AMEN SISTER. If it comes to that in this Country I’ll have to move! If we keep allowing this political correctness to overtake our nation, that is EXACTLY where we are headed. Can’t mention God or Jesus because you’ll offend someone! It is getting ridiculous!
And we wonder why our world is in such a mess!
I think what’s scarier than what this kid did is the ignorant responses it gets from people. “Divine intervention”, eh? Have fun waiting around for that. The people who commit these crimes are sick, not evil, and yes they need to be separated from the rest of us, but not in a tent in the desert.
This has nothing to do with society as a whole. Sociopaths have been around since the begining of time. Dont you think Judas would qualify?
People have free will since the garden of eden and if they do wrong they will be judged, but not by us, by God. imho
Tobias - I’m hopeful that our scientific community will SOMEDAY figure out what causes this and maybe, just maybe they will be able to fix it. A human is such a miracle anyway. When you think of all the things that have to go just right for a human to form and develop, it is an absolute miracle any of us are “normal”. But then again, that is why I believe in God. It has to be a miracle. I don’t know about the rest of you but my ancestors were NOT apes and I don’t believe in some big bang theory either that somehow has developed into this miracle called the human being. And if apes have evolved into humans, why are some apes…still apes? Why didn’t they all evolve? LOL I love the Discovery Channel but I get so sick of hearing “Millions and Millions of years ago the tiny speck of dust evolved into this fish, then millions of years later that fish grew legs and became the first lizard and then millions of years later that lizard grew wings and became a bird….”. IMO, GOD created ALL creatures. Sure we have all evolved….we aren’t still living in caves and wearing animal skins….but we DIDN’T start out as an ape either! Again, JMO
Nick - what ignorant responses? We’re just people, outraged by this latest horror trying to make sense of it all. Nothing more, nothing less. We aren’t perfect and we don’t have all the answers but we are here sharing ideas, thoughts and discussing them. We don’t have to agree….nor do we have to be hateful to one another. Seems to be enough of that out there in the world without bringing it in here too. Yes, this boy is sick. Yes, he needs to be removed from society for his safety and ours. What makes any of what was just said “ignorant”?
We all could go on and on about religion but that is not what has happened here. There is a little boy that is dead and his brother has killed him. I think we should just pray for both of them and hope that he gets put somewhere that he can never harm anyone again.
Pray that his parents can find some peace in whats left of their lives, they are going to need support. jmo
Guess I’ll just shut my trap.
I am going to pray for the parents of the brothers, and hope that the torment they will face in the weeks and even months, years to come won;t be their undoing. I will pray that they have the strength to get up every day and put one foot in front of the other, and I will pray that they don’t blame themselves for what happened.
And I wish everyone here a happy weekend, please remember that the living need our attention even more than those who have passed, that we are each in control of our own destiny, and look for the less fortunate so you can offer them some compassion and kindness. Be kind to your fellow man, a smile and a hug are free.
I don’t get to post here often but when I do the atmosphere and fellow posters are wonderful.
Peace out, peeps, keep caring, everyone of us will make a difference if we do, and together we can make an even bigger difference.
I am with Ocean please remember to be kinder to others. Especially on Christmas.
Before we know more about this case, we can’t dismiss the possibility that something was very wrong in his upbringing to create this sociopath.
I only bring that up because a few people asked didn’t the parents see any signs? Well what if the parents are also pathological & brutal?
Before anyone misunderstands what I am saying… I am NOT excusing what he did OR asking for leniency for this cold blooded killer…. he needs to be put away…. probably for life.
How heartbreaking that a 10 year old has to die knowing his own brother is snuffing out his life.
Terrible things like this have always happened and most likely always will. It is not caused by a lax criminal justice system. It is not caused by lack of “discipline” either. BTW, I wish people who believe in beating children would please look up the difference between “discipline” and “punishment.” They are not the same thing. I always disciplined my children but seldom punished them and never beat them. Guess what? They have turned out or are turning out to be great people. And unlike me, they won’t always resent their parents having taken the belt to their butts. I am still mad at my parents for all the times I was whipped. Nobody has the right to hit another person. I tried hard to get that message to sink in. You cannot teach your children that we don’t hit others while you’re smacking them around. Please move beyond the cave man days and learn positive and effective discipline!
Grannie @ 4:21 - I understand. But the only solution I can think of is finding 4,000 homes a year who WANT those unwanted children and will adopt them. Otherwise, we all know what happens to so many unwanted children - neglect and much worse.
Obviously another part of the solution is sex education and birth control.
In another news article, I read that the parents had taken the 17 year old out of school two weeks before this happened. They gave no explanation at the time and I have not read one yet. If anyone finds information on this please post it.
Also, about the murderer “identifying” with the serial killer on the TV show, “Dexter,” is a load of BS. I know about that program and there is NOTHING about the character that is similar to this kid. “Dexter” was traumatized as a kid and grew up to be a serial killer BUT he only kills other murderers who have eluded the criminal justice system. Otherwise he’s a loving husband and father and very close to his sister. He never hurts an innocent person and certainly not children. (I know it’s just a TV show and not one I recommend at all. I wish that shows like that were ignored or -even better - not even made in the first place.
It just irks me that this murdering kid is so crazy that he says he “identified” with that character and yet did exactly what that character would never do.
I agree with a lot of the posts made here. God bless the parents and help them get through this. They have lost both of their sons.. I also agree that sociopaths are born that way. There has been research showing actual psysiological differences. The one post that sticks out in my mind as being “whacked” is from JB. I don’t understand how you got off on the tangent of immigration??! These crimes have been comitted by Americans. The reason religion is out of our schools is due to AMERICANS having freedom of religion as our American forefathers set it up. I have no idea why you’re bringing people from other countries moving here and then trying to change it??
That’s right CP. The atheist movement in America was given a big boost some decades ago by a right nasty American bee…ch and her son and daughter. Can’t remember her name right now. It’s late and I’m tired.
Somehow our “freedoms” are being taken away in the name of “freedoms” it seems. Makes no sense to me.
If someone is an atheist why would they care if the dollar says “In God We Trust.” They don’t HAVE to believe it. Just ignore it!
In one news article I read that the reason 17 year old Andrew was taken out of school was because he was cutting himself.
You all have made very good points here tonight. I’m just not sure what to believe anymore. One would think this boy has to be severely ill in some form. Experts have studied the brains of some of the serial killers and found an abnormality in their brains. I don’t know if that is the case here or not. Either way, people like this boy cannot live among society. They are a danger to themselves and other people. I don’t think they can be helped. I can’t imagine what the parents lives are going to be like. Of course they are asking themselves what they could have done differently. Maybe things could have been different. Then again, maybe not. There aren’t always signs. I just can’t get out of my mind what poor little Conner’s last moments were like. He had to have been looking right at his older brother with extreme fear and disbelief. This was someone who was supposed to protect him.
I’m sure there are many who will disagree, but I believe there are just evil people in this world who have no compassion for other people, even their own family. He showed absolutely no remorse for what he did. Just look at his mug shot. His eyes are cold and empty. You would think he was just posing for a family photo or his senior picture.
I think all these tragedies need to be a wake up call. We have to teach our children about God early in life.
Marlena has it right. The time will come and we’d better be ready. I believe God does forgive us for our sins, but you have to mean it when you ask for forgiveness. We need God in our lives. Bring prayer back in our schools. Let’s stop being politically correct. The devil walks among us. Temptation is there everyday.
You can believe in God and still have fun. I think there is a misconception about how you have to live your life. Personally I don’t think it’s wrong to have a few drinks. Just my opinion. Before anyone say’s anything, no I’m not a big drinker, but I do like to have a glass of wine with dinner, or drink a beer while fishing. I think my Mother had it right. She said it’s not what goes into the mouth, it’s what comes out of the mouth. I was very young when she passed away, but I remember her telling my Grandmother that when she brought out a beer she had split with her.
We just need to be kind to each other. We don’t have to agree with each other, but even the disagreements can be civilized.
Sorry I got on my soap box.
Everyone have a wonderful evening. Hug your babies and tell them you love them. We don’t know what tomorrow will bring.
ranting sounds so irritating… the phrases so cliche… it makes one just want to be apart of the bad guys. at least they do what they feel (they act) everyone else just keeps repeating the same lame crap it probably drives these people over the edge…
sacchi - What drives a lot of “those people” (killers) “over the edge” is pure selfishness and self-indulgence. They do what they want no matter how it will effect anyone else (including killing someone).
Some of the people you call “lame” probably would like to act but (a) have the moral decency and self-control not to club someone to death no matter how much they deserve it or (b) do not know HOW to prevent such needless killings. But many are working on (b). Like having stronger requirements in mental health care that would, for example, have kept THIS kid locked up, under observation, and treated for his “cutting” which is only an outward indication of the sickness inside.
Elizabeth Olten’s killer was also a “cutter.” So I think that type of behavior has to be taken more seriously by the mental health community.
In your situation, I will “act” by suggesting that YOU seek some psychological counseling before you do something you regret. (You said, “it makes one just want to be a part of the bad guys.” Don’t use US as an excuse for YOUR evil, sick fantasies. Get help now!
m2c, her name was Madeline Murray O’hare. Several years ago she and her son and grand daughter were found in Tx buried in a shallow grave.They had disappeared in 95.They were killed by someone she had employed. The son she had gone to court for to get prayer out of schools had been converted and was a Christian. She was an evil beeyotch and looked the part. She forever had a scowl on her face.
Chatstu, to the rescue! THANK YOU! I could not think of her name.
JB - Please google Madeline Murray O’Hare for a look at the beginning of the banishing of God from America. She founded the organization American Atheists in 1963 and brought the lawsuit that led to the Supreme Court ruling ending government sponsored prayer in American public schools.
In 1964 Life magazine referred to her as “the most hated woman in America.”
In 1995 she was violently murdered, along with her son and granddaughter, by career criminal David Roland Waters. BUT, the murders had nothing to do with the atheistic movement. They were motivated by pure greed. Their murderer just wanted the O’Hares’ money.
You are welcome. Most of the money Waters stole was stolen from him. He only spent a small portion of it.
I know I’m not going to be making any friends with this post, but after reading all the comments, I need to get something off my chest.
It is important to respect other’s beliefs, not belittle them or aggressively push your particular beliefs and religions on others, in schools or other public places. We all have to right to our own beliefs. It is not fair to cite religious beliefs, or lack of them, for criminal behavior. IMO, I feel that we as a society have become, “co-dependent” on God, for lack of a better term. We create excuses for prayers not being answered. Have any of our prayers for Haleigh been answered? The God I was introduced to as a child would not discriminate, saving one child but not Haleigh, Caylee, Sandra Cantu, Robert Manwill, Shaniya Davis, etc., etc. This should clue us in that more is needed than prayer. I believe WE have been given the power to take action against these evil crimes, but as long as we sit and wait for a higher power to solve the problems for us it isn’t going to happen. Personally, I’m very frustrated by the failure of groups of people to do more than pray, something that is not working.
I sincerely do not mean to insult anyone and I have the utmost respect for religion and those who truly believe and are good, moral, caring people. I am just beating a different drum separate from organized religion. I believe in a higher power, and the ten commandments, but I do not believe all human’s interpretation of God’s (or another higher power’s) words. I would just like my beliefs respected and not blamed.
When discussing politics or religion it can be a sensitive subject. Everyone has the right to their beliefs. We do need to respect that. It’s difficult when your beliefs are based on faith. We don’t always get what we have asked for. It often seems unfair. I can’t claim to understand why things happen the way they do. I didn’t understand why my brother and nephew was taken so young. They were both killed by a drunk driver while walking back from fishing. He left a wife and 6 other children behind. It’s painful enough when our loved ones die from natural causes, but it’s especially difficult when it’s caused by something else. Murder is something else in itself. I can only hope my faith is never tested in that way.
Things aren’t going to change by prayer alone. Our laws have to change. We have to pay close attention to our children and what they are doing in their life. I often wonder about all the violence they see on tv and movies. I’m not convinced it can all be blamed on that. We grew up as kids playing cowboys & indians, or playing army. Well, I didn’t as a girl, but the boys did. I don’t think it’s helping the cause though. There is too much of it these days.
Personally, I will still try and stand by my beliefs and put it in God’s hands. You have to take it day by day. We are far from perfect, and we are going to make mistakes. The Lord did not claim to solve our problems for us.
For now I am going to pray for the family’s who are grieving and hope they can find some kind of peace in their hearts.
LindaOz, @ 1:03pm I agree. And stormgardner too
And entirely separate from that - personally I am sick and tired of people blaming God for bad things that happen. It’s my belief that God gave us freedom of will to choose to believe or not, to choose lots of things including whether to do good or evil, and to do something or nothing.
God is not at fault. We as flawed human beings are at fault. And whether everyone believes in God or not, certainly we can agree that as a group, united in a cause, that we can bring about changes. We just have to get off our duffs and do it!
Prayer is great, it’s important. It’s about all we can do for grieving families. But it’s not ALL we can do. (Except in some cases, it IS all a person can do because of ill health or whatever.)
But if we can blog we sure as heck can write Governors, sign petitions and join and support organizations that work for good things - like preventing harm to other children.
There are LOTs of things we can do! IMO
Thank you for your patience! I am off my soapbox now.
Stormgardner - I’m so sorry to hear about your brother and nephew.
It is refreshing to hear someone say that we honestly don’t know why things happen the way they do. I’m also happy to hear that someone else believes that more than prayer is needed to save our children. There is no much more exposure to violence with todays kids. Back in the 60’s we were limited to cartoon characters, or, after we were old enough, the shower scene in Psycho. I suspect that todays kids are involved in mind altering exposure to violence in movies, TV and video games, which is so different than our playing cowboys and Indians. Times have got to change but I think first we need to identify the things that are contributing to this increased crime.
Thanks for your input.
m2c posted: “But if we can blog we sure as heck can write Governors, sign petitions and join and support organizations that work for good things - like preventing harm to other children”. Thank you!
I agree praying is a good thing, and I think the world of people who care enough to do so. We just need to do more, or for those who do not pray, there is plenty we can do like follow the links Jan is providing to the petition sites, join one of the groups who is working so hard to combat crime and find missing children, and writing for legislators to change the laws that enable these heinous crimes to continue.
Stupidity, I so agree with you beating your kids is counter productive as is beating your wife. We once went by a principle here taken from the Bible that corporal punishment where a man could legally dicipline his wife and children with severe physical punishment. Today most of us, while a lot of us, perhaps just you and me are smarter than that. Physical violence is wrong it doesn’t teach anything except for the victim to pass it on.
Worldwide more women and children are being killed by people that are supposed to love them than at anytime in our history. Isn’t it time we stepped back from violence? but maybe that is hard when our government is conducting two wars and killing thosands of people?
At seventeen this little rodent should be eligible for the death penalty, and if I was on the jury that’s exactly how I’d vote.
I’m tired of my tax money supporting animals like Richard Speck and Charles Manson for the rest of their sick little lives.
I retired from the Army after 23 years, and they don’t even provide dental coverage for us anymore … not to mention how they’ve limited our medical coverage to “when space is available.”
Yet these mass-murderers and child-killers get better coverage than most of us can afford — even clinical support for “sex reassignment.”
Brad - Thank you for 23 years of service! It is preposterous that prisoners in many ways receive better care than our US Veterans! So many systems in this country need an overhaul, and this is just another example.
After Andrew turned himself in to police, confessed to killing his brother, and took police to the location of the body - he pleads “not guilty”.
LindaOz @ 6:08 am - That seems to happen a lot. That the “accused” confesses, etc. and then pleads not guilty. There must be yet another legal loophole that allows that to happen. I really feel like Lady (so-called) Justice’s scales are permently tipped in favor of the criminals. That’s just not right.
He is a minor and he has the loop hole in that even marandised he is not responsible enough to know his rights. Police are not allowed to question a minor without the parents or an attorney present. We are really not supposed to have heard any confession he made, but the media is so fast now with the internet that police cant stop them from letting the public know these things. I think his attorney will plead insanity and he will probably get institutionalized.jmo jmo
I hope there were no Miranda violations in this case. Still, if anyone qualified for legally insane, this kid has to.
From an article:
“Thursday, police said Shawn Conley woke up once and found Andrew standing over him with a knife but that Andrew left the room. Shawn Conley was startled, police said, but said Andrew’s behavior that morning was consistent with his conduct in recent weeks”.
http://www.jaxobserver.com/2009/12/06/teen-who-killed-brother-inspired-by-tv-murderer/
Thank you for explaining this, Tobias. I am sure you are correct in this particular situation. But it seems this happens a lot with adult criminals, too. They confess and then plead not guilty. Often LE has enough evidence right then too. I’d vote to give them a “Go straight to jail” card.
I don’t believe that teaching our children about God is the answer…if our children don’t believe in God it doesn’t mean they are going to be killers! that’s crazy! i do not always think it is the parents fault…we hear of all types of families these children come from. some of these families are good to their children..can you imagine if your writing my children are good children, we believe in God, go to church every Sunday, no violent movies or songs ever aloud in our house, we never spanked our children and always talked to them and you still get the phone call and your child has murdered someone? what then..what if it IS your child? what if you did all those things right? what do we blame it on then?
sandie, I definitely believe I have an obligation to God, my country, and my family to teach my kids that God created them and has a plan and purpose for their lives. I will do my best to teach them right and wrong and encourage them to do the right thing. However, they are free spirits and can agree or not, do what’s right or not, make good choices or not but regardless they are going to have responsibility and consequences for their own actions.JMO treece
I think that we all have OUR OWN idea of what needs to be done when raising our children. I have never whole heartily believed that peer pressure is a huge factor, or physical discipline IS/NOT important in a household. I DO believe that it’s important for a Child to know that there is something much bigger than all of us out there.
Treece, I couldn’t have said it better.
I felt it was my responsibility to teach my children about God. As they get older, they can form their own opinion as to what they believe. We then have to respect them as adults. I’m fortunate to have grown children that do believe in God and have made good choices. Yes, they made some mistakes along the way, but that’s how we learn.
I don’t think anyone implied if they didn’t believe in God they would become serial killers.
I’m not sure how people become serial killers. In some cases it has been said there were traumatic events in their life. My personal belief is that sometimes it just is what it is. There does not have to be a major life altering event to become a serial killer.
You have some parents that did everything right and their child grew up to be a serial killer or led a life of crime. Not everything can be blamed on the parents.
I do think we they have a better chance in life if they have a strong foundation and know there are consequences for their behavior.
I did not beat my children, but they were punished. Yes, sometimes I spanked my kids. I know that’s not acceptable in today’s society. My Grandmother would have us go and get a switch. It only happened once or twice. I’m not sure I agree with it, but I assure you I did not make the same mistake again. Also, I never doubted that she loved me for a second. I would give anything to be able to talk to her again. She was a strong woman, but she showed her soft side as well. I can only hope I’m as good a Grandma as she was.
On the up side of believing in God, I know I will see her again one day.
Yes, everyone can believe what they want, but I choose to believe there is something better waiting for me.
This happened in my community and so I would like to set the record straight so that people stop judging the parents who are going through “hell” right now. This is a small community - the only place you can work locally that provides good income has night shifts. yes, both parents worked nights but these boys had an extensive extended family that were involved in their lives - grandparents, aunts and uncles. In fact, the night it happened, Conner had been at his aunt’s house and his brother picked him up. Andrew told his mother the next day that Conner was at his grandmother’s. All of this would have been normal for this family who did many things together as a family. Both boys were A and B students and had no disciplinary problems at school. Andrew had been pulled from school 2 weeks before this because of “cutting” behavior. The family were seeking help for him. Kids who cut are hurting themselves and don’t typically hurt others so they had no idea this could happen. And the incident where he stood over the father with the knife happened after he had killed his brother but before he turned himself in - before the parents knew (they worked until 3 and 6 am and slept in - Conner was supposed to be at his grandmothers.) andrew is being represented by a public defender, not an attorney hired by the family. Please just pray for them. Dad is devastated but holding up… Mom is not doing well and the community is very concerned about her - she has to have someone with her all the time she is so depressed.
i imagined how it was for connor conley when he was killed. it was not a pretty picture.
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