Haleigh Cummings ex-stepmoms brother Tommy Croslin is once more out on the streets. The No Bond hold was reduced to a much more manageable $504, and someone apparently had the ability to scrape up the $50 to pay the bond company. Of course one has to wonder where they keep coming up with the Bond money? None of the seem to have be independently rich, in fact few of them even seem to have any clear income stream.
I am beginning to think that the Croslin family should consider talking to their local Bail Bond company, maybe they could negotiate a volume discount! Maybe a Frequent Felon program! Maybe a Frequent Felon point for each dollar posted on a new bond. At that rate, within a few months the family could consolidate their points, and truley have a ‘get out of jail free’ card.
Actually, quite by accident I discovered another interesting tid bit about Hank Thomas Croslin Jr, in 2008 he had a judgment against him by Ford Motor Credit to the tune of $13,141.80. One wonders where he gets all this money from to pay all of these bills? I do have a copy of the judgment here.
What I find disturbing is that when you start poking around in the families and friends associated with the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings an unfortunate commonality emerges. None of them pass the smell test. They all seem to have dark secrets hidden in the closet. Clearly this cannot be helping the PCSO in their investigation. Drugs and stupidity abound. At every turn, everyone even remotely connected looks guilty.
The police maintain their position that Haleigh Cummings was no stranger abduction, well I think they should reclassify it to Idiocy Abduction, likely not done by a stranger.
One observation that I have is that while PCSO are keeping quiet, they must be at least mildly excited in the fireworks that are erupting all around. And there are some more set to go off in the very, very near future.
I have a sneaking hunch that our radio program tomorrow is going to have some very interesting content. Will it help find Haleigh? God I wish it would. The truth though is that directly it will not, but indirectly it may help quite a lot. A lot of air will be cleared. Some of which might surprise you. Tune in at 3pm central on Sunday Nov/22, the link is here.
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSimon, you are too funny “get out of jail free card”. Looking forward to tomorrows show.
I have had my first chuckle of the day.
Question is: Which lucky Croslin will be the next guest of the PCSO?
Frequent Felon! lol
Consolidate their points !!LOL !! Thanks
Did Chad know about Crystal and Jeremiahs love tryst at the HBC? When Cobra describes what he saw I had to laugh what a sight that must have been. Quite embarassing ewwww. And if tommy cant even walk his kid to the bus stop we have to assume he drove to the MH that night to check on Misty. Why didnt anyone say that they saw him there it was only 945 at night. Can anyone clarify something I heard about. Someone said LE were at Tyler street on the night Haliegh came up missing and joined the LE that got the 911 call? Is this true?
Misty claims someone says they saw a red truck, well I never heard anything about a red truck till she brought it up. Is that what Tommy drove to the MH the night she was suposedly asleep or gone?
Bet the Sheffield family will be tuned in on Sunday, hope they have enough popcorn and beer.
Crystal should be ashamed of her self for acting this way when her kid is missing. They all knew their dirty little secrets would come to light as soon as this happened, it always happens, look at the Anthony case . That was front page news just up the road in Florida.
I think if the Rev. hadnt asked Cobra to look for her this would have gone cold after 1 week.
Check this case out Hasanni Campbell, thats pretty cold and has been after only 2 or 3 weeks. No PI,no Equasearch, no media coeverage, just one lady who cares .
How can we find out if he ever paid off Ford or are they still waiting for the 13,000? Even drywall jobs would not cover that much money in a short time . They were supposedly working prior to the dip in the economy. And Hank sr. aceident.
tobias, I have heard that he did and he was a bit upset a number of times, and heard he threw a few verbal threats around.. If Cobra had not been involved, kim would not have been involved. But, marie pulled in Wayanne before the other two, and Jeremiah was found on video at the first vigil of the two families and very close friends, not public. So, we know that Wayanne would have been there, and we know Jeremiah would have still had his part to play.. Would the case have grown cold.. No, I don’t really think so.. Because, Cobra nor Kim contributed anything to the investigation of finding Haleigh, only creating a side show which I believe pulled attention away from finding Haleigh. Maybe information pertaining to the abduction would have been dug out, if the two families had not been sheltered by the circus, and protected.. But, thats my opinion..
Who owns the van with the scratch, Misty or her sister-in-law?
Hi, All!
I can’t imagine that Misty would own any car unless she was only one of the people on the title.
I am confused between this red truck you are talking about and a car or truck that I believe Tommy sold right after Haleigh went missing. However Tommy’s name was not on the title. And I read that although the buyer paid for it and had it, that the title was never signed over to him/her. It may have been in his mother’s name. Not sure. Anyway I never heard anything about it after that.
Polly I think that van was the sister in law’s because she was the one who was quoted as being upset about the scratch that was on it the next day (I believe).
I wonder who’s idea it was to claim that suddenly Jr was in danger and that’s why Crystal had to try to get him away from Ron? Certainly that was not the case before Haleigh went missing. I think it was an excuse to get Jr, too. By “too” I mean that it fits with one of my theories – that Crystal’s side took Haleigh and then hoped that Ron would look so bad because of it that she could get Jr. too.
Mlee – I agree. KP and Cobra created the sideshows about the side issues (custody etc).
Haleigh got lost in that shuffle.
I have often thought when daily police assignments are given out that the captain says,”Now, Bubba, today you are to cover the Croslin family as we know we will have at least one of them in jail before the day is over.” Could someone please post just the part that Cobra said about Crystal and Jeremiah’s tryst as my PC refuses to run any videos, much to my disgust. It has been checked by experts too. It is my belief that since Crystal and marie were so very calm when talking about Haleigh in the beginning.
All Crystal could do is make this terrible whining noise when trying hard to cry (evidently, she failed Acting 101 if she even got to hi school. We definitely saw no tears or IMO, any honest emotion such as Teresa and Ron showed. It was my feeling that they both cared very much about the child.
Crystal had a lot to gain if Haleigh was taken by a family member and then has been hid somewhere. Haleigh, being a feisty child, would have willingly gone with that side of the family. IMO, that has always been a real [possibility but I don’t know who took HC. Just my opinion. I got very bad vibes from that side of the family and felt surely Crystal was stoned. Remember Marie had run a crack house and druggies are very seldom cured unlike alcoholics where the recidvism rate is much higher. Just my opinion. I have seen a lot of this from working for psychologists. I do not think Ron’s children should be in either parents’ home due to the criminality and drug use by many of the folks in either families.
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What video is it about Misty taking the blanket off the window because her blanket was supposedly left in the van? Was the missing blanket ever recovered?
So which website is it exactly that is alleged to be run by a registered SO. is it Websleuth’s , ScaredMONKEY’S, THE GARDEN, WHICH ONE …I’m confused about this part still !
No “new” news was gotten out of Tommy last week when he was slumped in the car so why would there be any “new” news this week from him? He already told what he knew, ” that Misty was probably not at home” and if he was involved further than that, then he wouldn’t do himself in by blabbing about it. Everyone will remain silent. Only an outsider who witnessed anything will be the revealing testimony. – and if there were no witnesses than this case will go cold PERIOD.
I still think Joe Pytko was an outside witness to what happened but was not directly involved in her ALLEGED ” accidental OD and was only witness to her being wrapped up and taken away but never knew “where”. For that he would be guilty of conspiracy to cover up a crime, but probably bargained a “plea” deal for the sworn affidavit. Of course the plea will only be good if her body is found in any particular pond out there near the Mondex. Why else would someone place themselves at the scene of a crime and possibly put themselves under the gun for conspiracy to cover up a crime unless it were really true and they had immunity or a plea bargain. They would have to be insane to do themselves in like that unless it were true and had these measures to prevent them from doing time on it !!!
I also heard Joe was transferred to another prison, probably for witness protection should a trial arise from this case !!! I think it was said he had possible enemies inside the jail and another guy in the stokes landing raid was also transferred. For what reason would that happen!?
Theres no way they just happened to drain a pond and the next week naynays letter reveals about a pond. AND OH MY GOLLY GEE WHIZ, they both just happen to be in the MONDEX. Ain’t that just a KOINKIDINK !!! I’m telling you , they just have the WRONG pond. Maybe if Andy Griffith tells Barney to give out a RESOUNDING ” NO WAY” to this fact we’ll all turn our heads long enough to let LE pick up their failed efforts and run for not checking other ponds.
I suppose a motive could be that Tommy stole her and sold her to a sex ring to pay off the Ford motor credit judgement. HMMMM weird , but still wouldn’t explain Misty not being there or not hearing UNLESS of course they’re in on it together as a family , but I doubt that Misty would go along with something like that, even as bad as she is.
Maybe he sold her to Snot grass and his circus where they do the unicycling and thats how they all factor in together here. But I dont even want to think that. thats awful. I’d rather assume she died accidentally and painlessly from an overdose regardless of the alleged horrible place they put her in a pond. I think I need to take a break from looking at this case . It’s making me ill.
Mel22: Could Hobbit the S/O still be posting and fooling a site into thinking he is a good guy? Google: Hobbit-Draven. Google: Hobbit-Get-R-Dumb. Google: Draven-Get-R-Dumb. All have some thing in common going back a few years. Coincidence???????????
well i googled what you said and i think it was Topix? Am I wrong? I’m still confused!!!
Seems like everyone is talking in code and won’t just say straight away !$% IDK Y
mel22;
I’m not sure why no one is anwering your question. The answer is: Hearts For Haleigh
Th man who was the site administrator was outted recently for being a Registered Sex Offender – RSO. He is not allowed to have anything to do with kids, Haleigh, or any case involving a missing child. To do so breaks the law and his probation/parole.
Rooster Jeremiah Regan wasn’t only fooling around with CS…..he has Kim Picazo as a notch on his belt too…..Cobra told us this on one of the BTR shows and MG admitted this also in an email to Ksue.
JR was on national TV at the prayer vigil on Feb 12, 2009. He knew the Sheffields well before the March 13th he claims in his statement to the bar for Kim Picazio. WHY THE LIES?
Enough already, where is Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings?
Please bring this precious baby girl home safe and sound.
Tht boy has some big ass ears…lol
Hi, Hollys Gmom and mel22 – I thought someone at WS – like a moderator – was also outted as an SO (even before Hobbit was found out). (If I am wrong about this then a thousand apologies)
And, yes, Steve. I imagine that Hobbit could still be posting using another screen name which could be “Steve” for all we know (no offense!
) Hobbit was on lots of blogs before he created his own -Hearts for Haleigh – but I don’t know what you are getting at by bringing in those other screen names.
M2c yes months ago there was one at websleuths too, google windchime websleuths.
Go to A.H. and you will see Draven posting there as a good guy, Google Draven-Hobbit, it’s the same poster using both names. He plays both sides.
I figured I’d put this on the latest thread, with the hope someone would comment. I remember seeing this sometime ago and couldn’t figure out why Crystal seems to be a bit angry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7K6735eHxY&feature=related
I sorta chalked it up to “drugs/medication” back then, although her speech is weird, but she doesn’t seem high. I believe there was an issue of her “hitting” on TJ. If/when did that happen before/after interview?
Just seems very hostile.
Steve – how could you possibly know that? So what if they posted on the same sites? Lots of people posted at Hobbit’s site. On what basis do you accuse “Draven” and the other nics of being Hobbit??
I hope it means I’ll finally know if that red truck was investigated or if evidence could even been or was found at this point.
I just looked at Joe Pytko’s booking record and it still shows him as being bonded out in July. If he is in another jail it may be because he was arrested in another county. I havent checked the other counties yet.
While some may believe Joe’s party story we must remember he has been arrested for fraud before. Both Nay Nay and Greg were questioned by LE early on about HaLeigh’s disappearance and both given LDT according to them. Nay Nay’s baby’s daddy also was questioned and said that Nay Nay was with him that day just as Nay Nay stated.
So yes they could all be lying to LE but given that nothing was found after draining the pond, given that Nay Nay has an alibi, given that Nay Nay and Greg were questioned and given LDT, I would surmise that Joe P’s info to LE was not credible.
Jr is a very smart little boy. He was very much able to speak. If Misty took the children to a party Jr would have told, especially if they came home without his sissy.
hangnon – I think it’s more likely that if Misty left the MH that night that she left the kids there thinking it would be okay for a while. I don’t see her dragging both kids along. Plus Haleigh could talk and tell Daddy what they did that night. So I’m more inclined to think the kids would have been left home.
Christmas is fast approaching, my heart breaks for Haleigh and Jr., please Lord, let Haleigh be found and returned home before Christmas.
hangnon,
i agree about the kids being able to tell ron if they went out at night. i cannot imagine ron would aprove. because, of haleigh missing to much school.
my thought is, if misty took the kids out that night maybe it was in a friends car or van. she would have taken them out after sleeping. hoping they would stay asleep in the car. (maybe with the help of an antihistamine or something else.) she might have left them in vehicle with the intention of checking on them. or maybe was only planning on spending a short time there to maybe meet up with someone. something could have happened to haleigh when misty was inside the house. i even wondered if they left vehicle run to keep kids warm and a carbon monoxide issue happened to haleigh depending on where she was sleeping in vehicle.
it might explain blanket issues. covered the kids up to keep warm. and something happened to haleigh and she wet the blanket. maybe the misty blanket (if it is missing) was disposed of with haleigh by wrapping her up in it. maybe misty brought haleigh’s own blanket back so she would not have to explain why it too was missing. had to wash it that night. this all might explain why the blanket needed washing but not sheets and bed.
i don’t know if this is plausible just a possible explanation of people saying she had them at a party. did anyone say that she actually brought them into the house?
might also explain junior’s story. maybe he was half asleep and dreaming in the vehicle. maybe someone was in the vehicle that he heard one of the seats bouncing? someone moving around. well just some thoughts.
m2c,
leaving the kids home does make more sense. maybe she only meant to be out a short time and thought they would be all right.
i remeber mlee pointing out that all keys were accounted for. but, i have wondered if either ron or misty set keys down somewhere and someone they spent time with took and copied house key and put their originals back. maybe on misty’s weekend someone went through purse or she set keys down while partying. someone might have been planning on robbing m.h. for guns or money, at some point. maybe they saw misty go to sleep. and maybe from parting or using drugs she was out like a light. or they say she sleeps soundly.
I think the problem is there have been so many rumors that are now believed to be fact. Crystal is the one that said Jr said it was a man in black, oh wait, it was a black man in black, oh wait, it was a black man in black with squeaky shoes, oh wait, it was a black man in black with squeaky shoes that made the couch bounce.
See what I mean. Only a few people really know what Jr said he saw that night, most of them are LE.
If the children were home and Tommy DID bang on the door as he described to LE the children would have been woken up, regardless if Misty was home or not.
If Misty was at a party with Nay Nay and Greg and even if the children were in the car/van sleeping, then Nay Nay would not have a “true” alibi and neither her nor Greg would have passed the LDT.
So if Misty was at a party as Joe P says then unlikely she was there with Nay Nay and Greg. So who would she be with? At that point and time she had few friends. She mostly hung out with family and Nay Nay when she and Ron were arguing.
LE should have really focused on family members and Nay Nay if they believe that Misty was not home that night.
We are into the 10th month and nothing. Nobody proving Misty was not home. No proof Misty had people over. No proof that HaLeigh was hurt in the home or elsewhere.
Maybe it is time to start looking at other possibilities. Maybe it is time to figure out if Misty was home sleeping, and the children were also sleeping, who would have/could have entered the home and taken that baby.
I feel this case would have been cold 2 or 3 weeks after she went missing with out Cobra, Art Harris(Nancy Grace), the media would have left and we would have no information to blog about. Most of the media left long ago even Geraldo left early on. Ask youself what would we know about if Cobra, TJ Hart and Art werent still covering this case? Nothing at all. LE would also have expained away the case as cold, they have their hands full of other cases and without pressure they would have dropped it. Why else would Ron get a PI, he knows no one is even looking anymore.
For as stupid and appalling as these people appear to be, remember that Haleigh has yet to be found and no one has been charged with her disappearance…
That is the bottom line. Who does THAT make the stupid one???
The public decides, the media wont get ratings without the public, LE wont get reelected without the public, Haliegh wont be found without the public.
tobia I don’t believe that giving out misinformation and out right lies is a good thing or contributes to moving a case forward, in fact I believe it hinders a case, although it does feed our need to be in the know.
How much further would the case be had there not been the circus, the lies, the defamation, the energy put on destroying a man rather then the energy to stand together, united, to find a missing child?
I completely blame Crystal. As HaLeigh’s mother it was her place to keep the focus on finding HaLeigh and if that meant standing next to Ron and the family as a united front then that is what she should have done, just as Marc Klaas told her. Keep the focus on finding HaLeigh.
I dont like Crystal but how many women are going to be around a 17 that let your child come up missing? If it were me I would have gone after her with tooth and nail the first day. She really must have good self control .Especially with all the stress involved . I think the media was fair, they only report whats given to them. The ones that need to find Haliegh is LE thats their job, thats what they are paid to do , with tax payers money.
The people involved played games so their personal lives werent made public and forgot that Haliegh was more important than anything they had to hide.
hangnon,
i know you have been following the case closely. and have been doing your own research. is there anything you can tell us that the rest of us don’t know. i know you referenced talking to a neighbor about the security light. do you live there or have you been to the area. of course i realize you may not want to discuss anything personal. just asking what you care to share. thanks in advance, ms p
I believe Haliegh wasnt found by now is either someone preplanned this very well or they had plenty of time to hide the body. Panic doesnt work well in cases like this, panic causes slip ups. I think Misty says it all when she talks about how crack heads know where to hide to do their partying, where they wont get caught. I think thats why the pond was drained.
There also is no proof that Joe signed a avidavid. I havent seen it, have you?
tobias, sounds like good points to me. and i thought mayb j.p. did that for police in exchange for something. maybe police were trying to rattle the cages?
Hangon, Doyou know if anyone close had a dog that would have been barking that night?
Most dogs dont like it when people move about at night even in neighboring yards.
I think also that the dumster was temp place until they got a car to move it, minutes later. That dumpster was a quarter mile from MH on the other side of a wood privacy fence. there is video footage on it. Also walking back to get a car would give time for panic to subside a little. jmo jmo
Also ask yourself. Why would Misty be at the front door when Ron arrived, he should have already been home . The overtime was not planned so Misty would have expected him to be home at around midnight. 3 long hours to think up a story, put a brick at the backdoor, vacume and clean up and run the washer.
well steve. thanks for taken a concern in my draven,get-r-dumb nics,hobbit was from the sacremento area i live in bakersfield.once again loon job i am not hobbit. steve im sure glad your not a detective,you would never solve a case.sorry someone has wasted your time with this trash.
I live a few hours away, have family and friends in the area. There are some small groups of great researchers who have been on the case since day one. It was easy to get info from people and places those first few days.
There are always dogs barking in the neighborhood. I think you can go into court docs and see that the Croslins had a couple of charges for barking dogs. Not unusual in rural areas for there to be a lot of the residents to have outdoor dogs.
I think if somebody needed to hide a body until they went and got a vehicle, there were plenty of much easier places to do so. There are plenty of woods around.
I just can’t see anybody taking the time and energy to get a body into a locked, enclosed area, put it in the dumpster, take the body out of the dumpster, and then back out of an enclosed area (they would have to climb into the dumpster to do so), and into a vehicle. Easier to hide the body in the woods if they had to go get a vehicle.
hangnon,
thanks for the info. can i ask your opinion, what do you think is going to happen in the near future? do you think the police have info on what may have happened to haleigh or where she may be? i take it you believe crystal has not been investigated enough? i promise no more questions today. and once more, i am only asking what you care to share. thank you in advance, ms.p.
hangnon and everyone have a wonderful day.
Wonder if Tim miller will ever return or has he given up ? At least the guy down there who is retired is still looking.
tim miller said he only searches for kids with a chance of being alive. he wont be back to satsuma.
Don’t worry about it, Draven. We get “dive bombers” at night sometimes who drop a load of (a four-letter word) for whatever reason.
I’ve never seen “Steve” before and he’s obviously just trying to smear someone.
Maybe “Steve” is Hobbit! Who knows?
Most of us accept people as they present themselves to us here. So to me Steve’s left a bad impression with me already.
i understand that very well m2c. get them on all forums. hagd
Does anyone have a theory on the sheffields and how they could have taken Haliegh? Just curious because I just cant figure out how they could do it. How did they get in the MH if the backdoor was locked, how would they know that Misty wouldnt wake up and if she did would they have killed her to keep her quiet? Just doesnt sound like the easy way to get the kids is all. I am sure there would have been better opportunities for them to snatch them.
Tobias, if it was them…… why would they leave Jr behind?
well ron said misty didnt sleep in the bed like she told everyone. if haleigh was taken they went threw the front.wouldnt be any reason to take her threw the back door if noone was sleeping.i dont think anyone took haleigh from the home. most likely she was taken or disposed of else where. a letter ws sent saying misty took the kids to a party with her. that very well could have happen.
ms.peridot — I wish I knew what was going to happen. I also wish I had confidence in PCSO, but I don’t. I saw to many screw ups from the start.
I personally do not think Crystal was aware of anything regarding HaLeigh’s disappearance. I do think there are family members that would have/could have pulled it off. I also think that Crystal may now be aware of what happened. There is a lot of motive on that side of the family, regardless of what LE wants people to think.
I think all of them, every blasted one, on both sides of the family, all of the Croslins, all of the friends, all of the neighbors, the flipping mail man, AC man, and anybody else who had any contact with HaLeigh should be asked to take a LDT. If they refuse, investigate the hell out of them. AND that includes all RSO’s in the area. RSO’s are known to have friends visiting that LE may not be aware of, as in the Jessie L case.
NO STONE UNTURNED. This baby did not just vanish into thin air. She is somewhere and somebody knows where she is.
Not if the body was under, or next to the dumpster, not if they had second thoughts about said dumpster. Cadaver dogs hit on several sites in the Anthonys’ backyard, but Caylee wasn’t there, either.
Antihistamines will make a kid hyper, too.
Tommy and Lindsey had/have a trampoline?
If this goes cold they should still watch all the mail thats delivered to these people. If she is alive they will contact them somehow to up date them on her .jmo
Why ask about the trampoline? Yes they said they have one.
tobias, the Crystal side would not necessarily have better opportunities that would NOT indicate it was THEM! Plus they could take only Haleigh because if they took both kids it might look more like a family/custody thing. Also taking only Haleigh could make it look more like a possible SO thing. So taking only Haleigh had advantages. And if Haleigh’s disappearance got Ron in trouble, then Crystal had more chance of getting custody of Jr (she sure tried didn’t she?)
tobias – that’s what pre-paid disposable cell phones are for. No one needs snail mail for that kind of communication.
For some reason that van with the scratches still bothers me. And why wouldnt someone in the MH wake up when it left or came back? Just real odd.
Pinkey told me about a very good article by a woman who thinks she saw Haleigh last June. I hemmed and hawed and pahshawed but then I read it. Now I think it’s a viable theory.
You’ll find it at crimesearchersonline.com
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Why I think Haleigh’s alive.
ALthough it does not center on Crystal’s side of the family, but a whole different group of people, it could still work for Crystal’s side.
Well lets hope Rons PI is really good and finds her if she is alive. Someone should ask Cobra if the PI Ron got is good at what they do.
THe thing about the dumpster area, is it is a locked in area. Yes they could have gone under the fence but you are talking a lot of work to get a body under a privacy fence. WHY do that when there are woods everywhere to hide a body in? To complicated, I try to keep it as simple as I can.
Also, when TES was in the area and dogs were first in the area none hit on the dumpster. The dumpster at that time was almost empty and Hardy said it was searched, not emptied because it was not full enough to need to empty it.
What type of dogs? Search and Rescue dogs or Cadaver dogs?
Where was the scratched van parked that night, at Ron’s or at Tommy’s?
The van was at Timmy’s in Crescent City
Who was Cousin Joe staying with, Tommy or Timmy?
Was there a radio show today?
Yep.
Figures. I didn’t see any update about it lol. I’ve been busy though, In and Out. Oh well.
Same old stuff, you didn’t miss much.
Ah okay lol.
Steve, we have to be vigilant in being aware that for some reason, this case has brought out the worse of worse in society, the actual perp, then the side show participants as players, then the mob gang mentality posters interfering and involving themselves across ethical and moral boundaries.
Sorry I missed the radio show, I had a death in the family, house full of fellowship, and the break from the case was actually peaceful. Back to the business of caring for Haleigh. I too, like many here, would love for that Christmas miracle, could it be? I’m really feeling something special will come concerning here.
Great posts everyone, keep us informed, trying not to clog up with posts, to keep the info flowing.
Wonder if Lawshrink, the radio show, anyone has anything new to add?
Still trying to catch up on the reading.
This case has so many twists and turns. I keep going back and forth with my beliefs. I may get attacked for this, but I still don’t think Ron had anything to do with this. There have been so many side shows, it’s made it hard to focus on Haleigh. It’s unfortunate, but maybe one of these side shows will bring out the truth in some way. Someone knows or has heard something. I think they are all more worried about being busted for drugs than helping find Haleigh. JMO, but I think that is the biggest reason no one is talking, including Misty.
Armando, thank you for giving me a laugh in all this mess. I cracked up about the ears comment. He does have some big ass ears. Lol
I shouldn’t make fun of people, but he’s creating the mess for himself going in & out of jail. I don’t believe for one minute it was DVD’S they were fighting about though. You can about bet it was pills.
Night all
Polly — First dog on scene was K-9 out of Palatka. Next dogs were hounds. I heard from Jax but nobody seems to be able to verify that.
When TES came in they have a variety of dogs.
Cousin Joe was staying with Timmy and Chelsea in Crescent City and may have been going back and forth to Daytona visiting other family there
Draven — When did Ron ever say Misty did not sleep in the bed? I have never heard Ron say that.
I didn’t realize according to Draven, that Tim had said, “He wasn’t going back to Satsuma, they only look for live bodies”. I have seen Tim state this though, but he retracted shortly after. Also the supposed quote about Ron stating “Misty never slept in the bed with Jr.”, the only source I’m aware of is Tim Miller when he was releasing all the LDT’s, voice analysis’ tests, etc… and all the undercover mama drama, spilling private telephone conversations publically was going on. Does anyone have confirmation Ron did say it himself, other than it coming from Tim? For me, I won’t believe it till I’ve heard it from Ron himself. As Tim has retracted much in the past concerning Haleigh’s case, and also has been found to not give accurate information to the public. Personally, I’m not pleased with how Tim has involved himself in Haleigh’s case, it harmed it, and the family.
Stormgardner: I have also thought that someone might be so involved in drugs that they are afraid to tell what they know about Haleigh but I have to think that LE has the brains to tell them that a missing child is more important AND that LE would let them off the hook (this time) for whatever the drug beef is IF they’ll tell what they know about Haleigh.
So that just can’t be the excuse – not to me.
It’s something else. If someone is afraid for their life, LE can do something about that too and LE better be telling these lowlifes this because Haleigh IS more important than all that.
hangnon – I don’t know about that but didn’t somebody (believable or not) say that the bed didn’t look slept in? Not sure who that was.
Kool Look – I didn’t hear a retraction from Tim on that comment but I just figured he didn’t exactly mean it that way. Maybe it was said in the heat of the moment (I think he’d just helped search for Somer right after she went missing which is when there’s the greatest chance of finding someone alive). Maybe that’s the source of confusion.
Also, Kool Look, I think what Steve said above was horrible slander. Even just with screen names, spreading that kind of rumor is despicable. How would he(?) like it if I went around saying that Steve is Hobbit? (or maybe I misunderstood your post about that?)
I believe Tim Miller said that Ron said that. Now why would Ron say that when Jr was sleeping in the bed. Makes no sense.
Off Topic:
If any one is interested, Jose Baez, Casey Anthony’s attorney, is SUPPOSE to be a guest of Geraldo at Large on the Fox News Network tonight at 9 p.m. CST. Check your local listings.
hangnon i believe it was tim miller who said ron told him that right after misty failed all the polys.who said jr was sleeping in the bed? where was jr when le pulled up to the house the night haleigh so called went missing? gg was there. shes as useless as the rest of them,but she stands behind her boy regardless of any wrong doings.i also read ron saying she never slept in the bed that night someowhere else but that might have been a relaps of tims writings.
Justice: I really truly appreciate your links and info. ALWAYS HAVE! ALWAYS WILL! And the one at 7:38 is no exception. If by any chance I swallow poison at 8:59pm I will be sure to watch the show! (as I’m sure you already know; inducing vomiting is the first thing to do in most cases of poisoning. At least Bozo’s good for something! LOL!)
I swear folks, we should have all chipped in and hired someone to keep a good on-going record of who said what where and most importantly when! It’s SO hard to keep all this straight!
I know some of our most wonderful and industrious fellow bloggers are compiling info in the BNN forum section. Maybe that will help.
But what I was thinking about was a running “transcript” so to speak of just what was said. That would probably take a year to put together at this point! Yikes!
well i think the only problem with taken notes in this case would be that every few months the storys change.there is only one story that hasnt changed,thats haleigh is still missing.
I believe the only person quoted and confirming Ron stated Misty didn’t sleep in the bed is Tim Miller. If anyone can provide a link, proof, please post.
M2c, I was talking to Steve, not really confirming his post, just making a generalization concerning any poster in this case, as it has been abused horribly by internet posters, hope this clears up my thoughts better, sorry.
steve has no clue,he/she just wanted to stir trouble.ignore them they will go away. kool look it is hard to believe anyone involved with haleigh.sometimes its hard to follow as well with all the info being posted.some true some false.i do have the feeling le is done looking and are sitting back waiting for that one good tip to be called in.where has ron been?havent seen anything about him cept he might be dating a stripper lol,
Ms Neves was not at the MH when LE arrived, if that is who you were referring to with the gg.
I just think it is common sense. Misty tells LE her and Jr were in the bed sleeping. Hmmm I think LE would have noticed if the bed had not been slept in after Misty telling them that. They also questioned Jr, do you not think that LE asked Jr where he was sleeping?
Draven @ 8:04 – Boy, howdy, that’s the truth!
I just thought it would be interesting to have a real chronological record of who said what when and then what they said different later!
Sorry, Kool Look. First I should not have butted in to your comment to him. And second I probably misunderstood your post. Seems like we’ve had several “invaders” with bad intentions lately. I should not even have dignified his comment with a reply.
Hangnon – do you know if it’s true that Misty called other people before Ron got home and they called 911? Also I thought TN was at the MH very soon after LE arrived (probably not before though). Is that true? And isn’t she the one who called Crystal or someone on that side of the family?
February 6-8 2009, Misty parties with WBG and NayNay
February 9-10 2009, Haleigh goes missing
Anyone know when Timmy and Chelsea split for Mass.?
For real: it’s possible that when there is something new to bring to the table, at least one of these people on the panel may be the one to do it. And to tell us about it.
What do you want? The radio show to stop and the articles to stop? So we have no way to share our feelings or questions and no place to blog or to keep Haleigh’s name out there?
That’s a great strategy if you want her to be forgotten. When you get a better idea of how to do that, you let us know, okay?
Feb. 28 Capt Richard Schauland calls cadaver dogs’ hit on dumpster a “false alarm”. His subsequent remarks lead me to believe he does not understand how the dogs are trained or what they are searching for i.e. the scent of human decomposition. The dogs would not alert to a bloody bandage or to a sanitary napkin. Just because they did not find a body IN the dumpster does not mean one was not placed under or next to the dumpster.
I find his remarks disturbing since evidence around the dumpster may have been overlooked or destroyed during the “Great Dumpster Raid”
Hey Steve -
I can ASSURE YOU 100% that Draven and Hobbitt are 2 totally different men (Hobbitt of course being an RSO is NOT a man, he is an animal!)… So now that you made a complete ass of yourself for posting crap that you obviously know NOTHING about without checking out your facts first, why don’t you apologize to Draven for insulting him by putting his name and Hobbitt’s name in the same sentence, and then do yourself a favor….move on and talk about something more fit for your intelligence that you have proof of before you speak. Or better yet….why don’t you talk about finding HaLeigh. Just a thought!
m2c (7:54 p.m.),
Thank you. That was very nice of you to take the time to say thanks.
Your comment about the poison and Bozo made me LOL! Now we know what he is good for!
I taped it because I was not going to be able to watch it. At least I can fast forward to it. A friend told me Bozo makes his appearance at the end of the show!
Polly there are many articles with quotes from the dog handlers that say the dogs could hit on a bandage. Here is just one example.
“It could be various items, and may not necessarily be something related to the case,” said Brian Selzer, of Canine Search and Rescue as investigators searched through the plastic bags found in the Dumpster.
Selzer explained that the dogs brought to Satsuma on Thursday have been trained to alert only on the scent of human decomposition, not meat or dead animals. He said the dogs could hit on something as small as a bandage used to cover a person’s bloody cut.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18805304/detail.html
I take the word of the dog handlers/owners to know what their dogs would or would not hit on.
There is also a post missing from this thread, made by the same person. What is going on here, Jan and Simon? This is not like you guys at all. I don’t know who made the post, but it said some things that everyone should be allowed to read and make their own judgment on, IMO
I Care let me explain something to you about the comments in here.
We have had problems in the past with people coming in here using different names pretending to be someone else causing trouble. The new people in here might not know the rules but the regular posters do and when I catch them that have been warned before about it I delete their comment and sometimes if I am in the mood or if I am finally fed up with their games I ban them. Some try getting back in but when I catch them I repeat my pattern.
I am an Editor here at BNN and moderating the comments is part of my job as I see fit and that is what I am doing.
Unlike you I DO know who made the posts that were deleted and it was by someone who was a regular poster but I will not let her continue coming in here trashing us as she has been just because we don’t happen to agree with her.
Like we tell everyone here, we don’t force you to stay here and read our articles or the other comments in here. If you don’t agree move on to somewhere that they do agree with you. No one here is looking for a fight. In fact most in here are adult enough to discuss a theory or thought even if they completely disagree, which is why I love and admire everyone here. They make me proud to say they are part of BNN.
I don’t know for sure who you are I Care but apparently you know who the poster was and you are standing up for them and that is fine but please don’t come in here asking what is going on just because I am doing my freaking job here.
Now unless you are talking about some other comment I can tell you I have only deleted two comments this morning but to be honest I forgot the name she was using. I handled it as I saw fit.
Have a good day,
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
Good Morning hangon,
When they sifted through the trash, did they find a bloody bandage? My point being that the dogs hit on several places in the Ant’s backyard but Caylee wasn’t there. I see the possibility that Haleigh may have been placed under or near the dumpster, then the perp thought better of it and moved her.
Hi-ya,
Just wanting to get caught up on all the latest.. but I have a ?, seeing that the dumpsters are for trash, how long would the lingering scent from a bloody article remain? It seems to me that the scent would be constant!!
Although many of you have pointed out that the perp would have to go thru alot of trouble in reagrds to the dumpster.. maybe that’s what the perp was intending… sorta throw LE off.
Anyhow, I don’t quite have a stand on this particular theory.
But, I thought Cobra ALSO has stated that Ron said Misty didn’t sleep in the bed. I could be wrong, tho!!!
cent
While I agree with you that every possible angle needs to be looked at and evaluated, the response will invaribly be “Oscam’s Razor”. While I understand the validity of it’s definition and usefullness, I do beleive it can be used to throw a case off by a perp. Make it look complicated and therefore not really an option. But I’m also a jr. amatuer forensic researcher (lol), a close friend of criminal justice majors/degree holders, a slightly paranoid conspiracy theorist, and avid forensic TV watcher.
Hey Gmom and cent!
What I was a-thinkin’ was that Misty did leave the house, but not to go to a party.
1. She has plans to go score with Cousin Joe and Tommy, so she dopes the kids up with benedryl or something.(Jr. did seem to sleep a lot). Haleigh gets cranked up on it, antihistamines can make some kids hyper, hence she calls Ron to tell him Haleigh won’t go to sleep. Maybe she gives Haleigh a little more.
2. Joe comes by with the van, they load the kids into the back, wrapped up in Misty’s blanket(the blanket that was missing, the reason Misty took one off the window), go and pick up Tommy.
3. They go into where ever they went, leave the kids in the van with motor running as to run the heater. When they come out Haleigh is either deceased due to CO poisoning(great point ms.p.!), deceased due to OD or suffering an asthma attack.
4. They go back to the MH, unload the kids, Jr is half out of it but sees them trying to resuscitate Haleigh. Misty doesn’t want to call 911 fearing possible charges. Haleigh is taken to the dumpster.
5. Cousin Joe helps Misty stage the scene with the backdoor(his MO for breaking and entering)
6. Joe and Tommy realize the dumpster is one of the first places LE will look, so they load Haleigh back into the van. She is still wrapped in the blanket. Murphy’s Creek Conservation Area is conveniently located off of Buffalo Bluff Road. Therefore, Misty knows who took Haleigh, but doesn’t know where she was taken.
7. Tommy is returned to his home and Joe goes back to Timmy’s
8. Misty waits until Ron gets home to stage the 911 call
Holly,
Then you and I are on one accord… I too am listed with the Jr. Amatuer Forensic Researcher’s Society. Howdy, fellow member.
Polly,
You have passed all the necessary tests, and we are glad to extend to you an Honorary Membership… Welcome to JAFRS
Thank you, thank you very much!
M2C~ Thank you for sharing the forum on Why i think Haleigh is still alive!
You are welcome, Tanya. It was our fellow blogger, Pinkey, who found it and told us about it. I don’t know what to think. I only hope LE has followed up on it!
cent said,in November 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 am
I figured I’d put this on the latest thread, with the hope someone would comment. I remember seeing this sometime ago and couldn’t figure out why Crystal seems to be a bit angry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7K6735eHxY&feature=related
I sorta chalked it up to “drugs/medication” back then, although her speech is weird, but she doesn’t seem high. I believe there was an issue of her “hitting” on TJ. If/when did that happen before/after interview?
Just seems very hostile.
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Any thoughts anyone???
HollyG’s, I PM’d and emailed you earlier.
Thanks, Treece I got your PM.
Polly, you’re very welcomed. I never thought about the carbon monoxide angle.
cent,
I must give credit where it is due, it was ms.p. who mentioned it in an earlier blog.
I’m diggin on how much good discussion is going on here lately on many different threads. THere is so much good thinking and effort put into so many different posts it becomes hard to relay everything you’d like to say to everyone. LOL The post becomes a mile long. Anyway just wanted to pop in and see what was going on. I’ll have to reply later with in depth opinions on each topic. Chaio!
M2C~You are welcome, Tanya. It was our fellow blogger, Pinkey, who found it and told us about it. I don’t know what to think. I only hope LE has followed up on it!
Donna is one couragous women! I know there are a bunch of loonies but i really do beleive she is sincere and does really beleive what she saw back in June!
Just a thought on the dumpster hits. Could they have been hitting on items that came from within a home where there was a body? Perp stashed body in basement/buries her/hides her under his trailer etc. and put items in the dumpster that were near the body?
Also, it does seem though, that to call it a false alarm so quickly, they likely found the source in the dumpster? But it is possible…
How much does Timmy Croslin know?
Misty made numerous calls to Timmy the night Haleigh went missing, Timmy and Chelsea later split for Mass.
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