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	<title>Comments on: Salt and Pepper: Religion and Public Education</title>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/123014#comment-1461080</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to thank you for expressing reasonable views on this topic.  It amazes me that the only replies I see are from people who can't tell the difference between:
 a) freedom of expression
and
 b) government representatives teaching children they're not good enough if they believe differently

You have a clear right to express your views.  You do not have a right to use your bully pulpit to ram your religion down the throats of other people's children.  Expressing your views on a daily basis, and forcing children to express their views in front of their authority figures and peers, falls under (b), not (a).

While the majority of people in the US may be christian, we are far from a christian nation.  The founding fathers were mostly deists.  They felt that restricting the state from interfering in people's religion was important enough that they enshrined it in the very first amendment.  Teachers in public schools are representatives of the state.

You can see where these commenters are coming from in their trailing comments.  They start off telling the lies they tell themselves about the US being a Christian nation, and they end up telling you what's wrong with your belief system.  Their goal is not to promote the American spirit of freedom; their goal is to make everyone believe as they do.

If it were Islam or Buddhism being espoused as the only true religion in schools, these guys wouldn't be following due process to make things right.  They'd be forming a lynch mob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to thank you for expressing reasonable views on this topic.  It amazes me that the only replies I see are from people who can&#8217;t tell the difference between:<br />
 a) freedom of expression<br />
and<br />
 b) government representatives teaching children they&#8217;re not good enough if they believe differently</p>
<p>You have a clear right to express your views.  You do not have a right to use your bully pulpit to ram your religion down the throats of other people&#8217;s children.  Expressing your views on a daily basis, and forcing children to express their views in front of their authority figures and peers, falls under (b), not (a).</p>
<p>While the majority of people in the US may be christian, we are far from a christian nation.  The founding fathers were mostly deists.  They felt that restricting the state from interfering in people&#8217;s religion was important enough that they enshrined it in the very first amendment.  Teachers in public schools are representatives of the state.</p>
<p>You can see where these commenters are coming from in their trailing comments.  They start off telling the lies they tell themselves about the US being a Christian nation, and they end up telling you what&#8217;s wrong with your belief system.  Their goal is not to promote the American spirit of freedom; their goal is to make everyone believe as they do.</p>
<p>If it were Islam or Buddhism being espoused as the only true religion in schools, these guys wouldn&#8217;t be following due process to make things right.  They&#8217;d be forming a lynch mob.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeannie Vanlandingham</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/123014#comment-1447943</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeannie Vanlandingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazing to me that people, such as yourself, try to convince those around you of what you believe is a prejudicial view on Christianty.  You don't mind letting teachers talk about Greek gods; Hinduism; Buddua and the like of other religions and gods but why is that your view concerns only the Christian aspects?  

You say that "The United States is not a “Christian nation."  Have you seriously read your history, read your Shaskespeare, read your English literature in school.  You do know that the Bible was the only book for many, many years, taught to ALL children to teach them history, english, spelling and the like.  

RELIGION IS NOT TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS today but people with Christian beliefs or non-religious beliefs should be able to have freedoms that are our constitutional right.  I guess you haven't heard of freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the right to pursue happiness.

When you take away one person's right to express their freedoms to succomb to another's you are not doing anything but running around in a circle and taking the other's rights as well.

You state that children "in a classroom, some of who may not know better, have to listen to a Christian Evangelistic version of U.S. History and an abstraction of the Constitution we’ve reached an unquestionable limit."  But you don't seem to question those other student Christian, Hindu, even atheist that have to sit an listen about Buddua, the Nazis, and even even the idea of evolution, which in itslef is a "non Christian" belief.  Sometimes these same students have to do papers and projects on these topics.  Where are the people screaming abour these religions/non-religions?

If you really want to be fair, then take all religious and non-religious beliefs out of school.  What do you think they will actually be able to talk about, learn from or instruct?

If you do basic science, you are still including religion in every form; Mathematics is a worldly language that is also combined with the secular view of religion; what about history, everything is caught up and related to religious facts.  

Your one sided argument is flat.  Your ideas and persuasions are unfounded.  And your "non-religious" views are only being prejudicial to your own "non belief."  If good times include mass murders in school and suicde of children who feel they have no one and nothing to turn to for comfort, then I consider this a sad reality of life as a "non believer." 

I will pray for you because you are going to need it.  God said to pray for your enemies and I will do that.  I hope you don't have children and if you do I will pray for them as well.

Jeannie Vanlandingham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing to me that people, such as yourself, try to convince those around you of what you believe is a prejudicial view on Christianty.  You don&#8217;t mind letting teachers talk about Greek gods; Hinduism; Buddua and the like of other religions and gods but why is that your view concerns only the Christian aspects?  </p>
<p>You say that &#8220;The United States is not a “Christian nation.&#8221;  Have you seriously read your history, read your Shaskespeare, read your English literature in school.  You do know that the Bible was the only book for many, many years, taught to ALL children to teach them history, english, spelling and the like.  </p>
<p>RELIGION IS NOT TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS today but people with Christian beliefs or non-religious beliefs should be able to have freedoms that are our constitutional right.  I guess you haven&#8217;t heard of freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the right to pursue happiness.</p>
<p>When you take away one person&#8217;s right to express their freedoms to succomb to another&#8217;s you are not doing anything but running around in a circle and taking the other&#8217;s rights as well.</p>
<p>You state that children &#8220;in a classroom, some of who may not know better, have to listen to a Christian Evangelistic version of U.S. History and an abstraction of the Constitution we’ve reached an unquestionable limit.&#8221;  But you don&#8217;t seem to question those other student Christian, Hindu, even atheist that have to sit an listen about Buddua, the Nazis, and even even the idea of evolution, which in itslef is a &#8220;non Christian&#8221; belief.  Sometimes these same students have to do papers and projects on these topics.  Where are the people screaming abour these religions/non-religions?</p>
<p>If you really want to be fair, then take all religious and non-religious beliefs out of school.  What do you think they will actually be able to talk about, learn from or instruct?</p>
<p>If you do basic science, you are still including religion in every form; Mathematics is a worldly language that is also combined with the secular view of religion; what about history, everything is caught up and related to religious facts.  </p>
<p>Your one sided argument is flat.  Your ideas and persuasions are unfounded.  And your &#8220;non-religious&#8221; views are only being prejudicial to your own &#8220;non belief.&#8221;  If good times include mass murders in school and suicde of children who feel they have no one and nothing to turn to for comfort, then I consider this a sad reality of life as a &#8220;non believer.&#8221; </p>
<p>I will pray for you because you are going to need it.  God said to pray for your enemies and I will do that.  I hope you don&#8217;t have children and if you do I will pray for them as well.</p>
<p>Jeannie Vanlandingham</p>
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		<title>By: chatstu</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/123014#comment-1447320</link>
		<dc:creator>chatstu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in grade school in the sixties we said the Lord's Prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance [with God in it] every morning and we were and are better for it. Thank you Madeleine Murray O'Hare for changing that. I hope its hot where you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in grade school in the sixties we said the Lord&#8217;s Prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance [with God in it] every morning and we were and are better for it. Thank you Madeleine Murray O&#8217;Hare for changing that. I hope its hot where you are.</p>
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