When you start to poke around in the Haleigh Cummings story there is one re-occurring theme, drugs. Drugs are everywhere you look. It does not seem to matter if you talk Croslin, Cummings, or Sheffield, at some point the use of illicit drugs enters the picture. It has been widely reported that babysitter/lover/wife/divorcee teenage Misty Croslin had just come off a three day drug and sex binge on the evening that Haleigh Cummings went missing.
In the ensuing weeks, various other acquaintances and family(s) members all seemed to manage to get themselves embroiled in what I am guessing was unwanted publicity over their illegal substance abuse.
One member of the ever expanding side show stood apart, well in publicity at least. Attorney Kim Picazio went to great lengths to assure everyone that her client was ‘drug free’. Few of us believed it, yet, she appeared on national TV on several occasions, she even stooped down to us here at BNN and categorically stated that Crystal was not using. You can find the sound bite here. However, a couple of months after this great revelation, her story changes.
Now, that sound bite came from May/31, apparently Picazio was not aware of the drug issue until some time in June. Well excuse me for being simple minded, but addiction does not tend to occur overnight.
For over six years I worked with addicts of various types, booze, drugs, gambling, they came from a variety of backgrounds, but the drug users stood out. From the very first time I saw Crystal on TV, the word “DRUGS” shouted out.
In Ms Picasio’s response she says this:
The Department of Children and Families became aware of the allegations of drug use by Crystal. DCF requested a random toxicology test of Crystal Sheffield, during the course of their investigation, as they found it relevant to investigate Crystal’s fitness as a parent. At that time, in June 2009, I learned from DCF that Crystal’s infant daughter, Chloe, not even one (1) year of age, had been born with illegal narcotics in her system due to Crystal’s drug use during her pregnancy. The DCF caseworker had not informed me of this DCF case against my client, and I had no prior knowledge of the case until that time. DCF dismissed the investigation against Ronald Cummings, without explanation.
I felt as if I was only being told relevant information by the family, after a fiasco had occurred. I could not represent a client who was not being honest with me, and was taking illegal drugs. To make matters worse, In April 2009, Crystal admitted to me that she had taken unprescribed pain medication. Further, her mother, Marie Griffis, reported to me that Crystal had stolen her step-father’s pain medication after he had surgery in April 2009. I was extremely concerned over my client’s drug use. Crystal assured me that it was not an addiction, and that it had only taken a few pills due to back pain from an old car accident. In April, 2009, Crystal suffered another seizure, and was taken to the hospital by ambulance. All of these incidents played out loudly in the media. Despite my requests to family and friends to withhold all comments to the media about Crystal’s seizures, they defied my recommendations. As such, I then was forced to issue numerous press statements regarding Crystal’s status.
A vindication? I do not think so. A most telling statement comes from William Cobra Staubs:
Kim Picazio and I had conflicts during the case because she adamantly defended her client. During the course of the case, I personally witnessed Crystal Sheffield take illegal narcotics on several occasions. I attempted to tell Kim that her client was doing drugs. Kim Picazio did not want me releasing this information to the public. I confronted Crystal’s family about her drug use, and they believed she should be put in rehab. I was present at a meeting between Crystal Sheffield and her Father, Marty Sheffield, when her father demanded Crystal go to rehabilitation for drug abuse and addiction. Crystal refused. At that time, Kim Picazio and I were naturally on different “sides” of the case, as she was representing Crystal Sheffield.
You make what you will of these documents, TJ Hart of The Sky 77.3 has them all available here.
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackWow, the mother of a missing child may take pills- the shock! This proves she deserves to have a missing child! MY god, Ron has been busted with heroin, and date rape drugs, but who cares!!
Wow-
Could Kim have learned of the drug use AFTER she made the statement on Blog Talk Radio after the May 31 airing?
Viva, didn’t you know Ron is allmighty innocent in this case (Rolls eyes).
Nice.
I just reread the bar documents. KP clearly swore that she did not know of her client doing drugs until June. She did the interview in May.
Simon - just drop this one. You’re looking foolish. The only thing you have been shocked at is this? What about what we’ve learned about Crystal and Marie? Stop beating a dead horse when it’s clear she didn’t know of the drug issue until later. She was lied to by her client. You’re vendetta against this lawyer is consuming you. Move on before you embarass yourself any more.
LEts just stop focusing on the house Ron was running, no job for years- no pushing for support because he was a drug dealer, and he WAS- pulled over with heroin, coke, pills, crack- but lets focus on what the mother of a missing child is doing- she stole some pills, we should just beat her to death, seriously- Karlie Brucias mom became a hooker drug addict after her daughter died- but its really important to touch on this pill issue-
I think its great that a few have decided to never stop reporting about HaLeigh, but how does reporting the actions of a sick mother of a missing child after the fact,really have anything to do with HaLeigh, and why isnt the focus on the people who were with her when she came up missing-
I think its pathetic that this is whats become important-
Viva -
You and your crones have spent months villifying Ron about real and made-up negatives that run the gamut of sins.
This is the first time we are learning some FACTS about Crystal and it is way past time.
Please read this:
Crystal gave birth to an infant with illegal narcotics in her system.
DCF may have had to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea but they had to choose and Crystal made it easy for them.
Both of Haleigh’s parents leave a LOT to be desired but Ron does NOT deserve the horrific treatment you’ve given him and Crystal DOES deserve a more realistic view. No matter what your prejudices those are the facts.
Viva said,in November 16th, 2009 at 5:18 pm LEts just stop focusing on the house Ron was running, no job for years- no pushing for support because he was a drug dealer, and he WAS- pulled over with heroin, coke, pills, crack- but lets focus on what the mother of a missing child is doing- she stole some pills, we should just beat her to death, seriously- Karlie Brucias mom became a hooker drug addict after her daughter died- but its really important to touch on this pill issue-
I think its great that a few have decided to never stop reporting about HaLeigh, but how does reporting the actions of a sick mother of a missing child after the fact,really have anything to do with HaLeigh, and why isnt the focus on the people who were with her when she came up missing-
I think its pathetic that this is whats become important-
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Why is it important when Ron does it and not when Crystal does it??? You really need to stop contradicting yourself and also if you are leaving out that the baby (Chloe) had drugs in her system when she was born…. That means “mother of the year” Crystal was doing drugs while pregnant if you dont understand what that means!!!!
Get a life Viva one is no better than the other
Viva, Ron’s a drug addict and Crystal is “sick?” Please stop for a minute and listen to yourself.
A negative FACT or comment about Crystal is not a plus for Ron nor an indication that someone thinks highly of Ron. Why do you insist on looking at things that way?
What’s truly pathetic is your sick obsession with beating up on him (even for imagined sins) and trying to make Crystal look like a pure/angel/victim. Neither is correct.
Are you too simple-minded to grasp anything more complex than an “all right” vs “all wrong” situation?
HaLeigh, guys, you remember her? She went missing from Rons home and its he who needs to be reported on, not Crystal- But there are so many of you getting off beating up and pointing out the flaws of the mother of a missing child- It was be so sad if it wasn’t so sadistic-
At least we know Crystal has an excuse not to work, what the hell is Ron Cummings reason? Instead of showing his son what a real man is, the loser is sticking assault riffles in his mouth in front of the kid, and more than likely dating some druggie stripper, oh, I am sure the one that Ron would pick wouldnt do drugs, probably would be teaching elementary DARE programs when she isn’t swinging on a pole, lmao-
Hey Viva,
So Crystal’s self inflicted abuse of drugs is a good excuse NOT to work or support her children. Okaaaaaaa, do you have children?
Who here is really shocked by Crystal poor choices? They all have made some very damning lifestyle decisions, including key players that were suppose to help in fiding HaLeigh.
Honestly, none of them can be trusted. KP claimed on the radio show that noone was stupid and Crystal wasn’t on drugs… Well I guess the girl that wore the same shirt 3 days in a row, and sported dirty finger nails… duped the hell out her!
I guess Crystal conned her out the 20 bucks too!!
I do hope DCF step in and take the children out of Crystal’s house. I can’t believe how many idiot bloggers were adamant that Crystal only used when she was with Ron, despite all the evidence to the contrary. And Simon, I am with you…the fact that Crystal was using was obvious to me from her first interview and reinforced in her subsequent interviews. If Kim didn’t notice, I’m not sure how she would miss it as it was blatantly obvious to me.
Quote from Viva:
HaLeigh, guys, you remember her? She went missing from Rons home and its he who needs to be reported on, not Crystal- But there are so many of you getting off beating up and pointing out the flaws of the mother of a missing child- It was be so sad if it wasn’t so sadistic-
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Viva,
If we were beating up and pointing out the flaws of the father, that would be ok though right? Uh huh, I see how you think. Hypocrite.
Where is Haleigh, remember her?
You have to give KP credit, she covered up a lot for Crystal.
Viva, just wanted to say thanks for banning me without a reason. :o)
Viva…you must hate children to be condoning mothers turning their kids into drug addicts and risking health and mental problems for them, before they are even born. What a shame no one in her family cared enough about children to get her to stop. Viva, are you a member of her family? Why do you hate Chloe?
Noreen, you dont want to find out what happened to a little child if it meant your dream lover Ron is culpable in anyway- thats so sad!
Hi Allie,
Nice to see you here.
You don’t want to be a part of that forum anyway.
Did you know Tolkein is Hobbit forming?
Viva,
I do want to find out what happened to Haleigh.
I want her found safe and sound.
I want LE to investigate all of the individuals in her life, not just one side.
I want LE to ask Johnny, Sarah etc. where they were the night Haleigh disappeared. I’ve never said otherwise.
O/T I have my own dream lover ty, his name isn’t Ron and my personal life is none of your business.
Viva….is Crystal your dream lover? She must be or you wouldn’t be thinking others consider Ron their dream lover.
You might need to go get some counselling now that your nominee for mother of the year has been exposed as a deadbeat drug addict who abuses kids by getting them addicted to drugs while still in the womb.
You look like a desperate fool with your posts here.
Seriously folks, take a good look at several of the missing children cases.
Shaniya, found murdered, DRUGS IN THE HOME!
Shannon, found safe although God knows what her fate could have been, DRUGS IN THE HOME!
Haleigh, still missing 9 months, parents and babysitter/stepmother DRUGGIES!
All it takes is a hair test then everyone would know what, how much and how long.
I thought there was a law that if a baby is born with narcotics in its system then the mother goes to jail for child abuse and the baby goes to foster care.
DRUGGIES SHOULD NEVER HAVE CARE NOR CUSTODY OF A CHILD!!!!
Occam’s Razor says forget about following the money, follow the drugs!
Having not heard anything current on the status of this sweet, little missing girl, I decided to check the net for any updates. Apparently Nancy Grace has stopped covering this case for some reason, which is a shame. Anyway, that’s how I came to this site and those connected with it today.
I must admit that while the blogs themselves have some interesting facts that may or may not be relevant to the case, the comments seem far too often to digress into personal attacks between people who likely don’t even know each other personally or rants against whichever parent the writer seems to dislike more. While I’m sure people have good intentions for following this case, Haleigh seems to get lost in all of the crossfire.
Since I do trust that people on this forum have a genuine interest in this child being recovered and follow it for the same reasons as I do, I’m going to toss a few questions out to the group and see what responses come back.
1. Lie Detector Tests: My understanding is as follows: Misty has failed more than one; Ronald passed his test; Crystal took one but it appears the results were inconclusive. Am I current?
2. Drugs: Apparently all of the main parties, with the exception of Grandma Teresa, have some personal history with alcohol/drug abuse and addiction. However, the type of work Ronald was doing required random strand-testing (hair), which rules out the speculative theories he was using at the time Haleigh disappeared. Misty had just come off of a 3 day binge of partying the day Haleigh disappeared. (Yes, I think it was irresponsible for such a young girl to have been the primary caregiver for small children, but their biological mother was also unfit for it.) Crystal was/is currently using, is in denial and has refused rehabilitation. … If a drug deal gone bad is the motivation behind Haleigh’s abduction, wouldn’t there be leaks by now since druggies have loose lips?
3. Is there any concrete correlation between Haleigh’s case and any of the other recent missing children cases in the area?
4. What is the most current statement from investigators in the case?
I appreciate any responses that address the questions I’ve posed vs. attacking me for one reason or another. I’m sincerely interested in how this case is progressing. Thanks!
GrammieM, The only thing I can tell you is that Misty reportedly failed three polys, a layered voice stress analysis and was uncooperative with the hypnotist. The only thing I heard LE say about Ron’s poly is that they were “satisfied with the results”.
PUBLIC CLARIFICATION:
The poster with the nic “my 2 cents” is not me (m2c) nor is he/she the poster who’s been here since the Caylee Anthony case who used to go by that nic back then.
No offense, my 2 cents. I just want to clear up any possible confusion.
Hi m2c,
Nice to see you here.
Polly: Thanks for the information! I can see given the circumstances why Misty is a suspect. It seems she must know more than she has told so far.
Viva, I don’t know you or your connection with Crystal. I am neither for or against Crystal or Ron but I want justice for Haleigh. I want every player investigated totally. If Crystal has nothing to hide she won’t mind being investigated. If she wants her daughter found she should welcome everything any of LE are doing. But you accusing others of gossip is too much. Ron’s, assault rifle scene, and stripper girlfriend are just rumors, are you spreading them or do you have proof of any of this??
Remember that old movie “Walking Tall”?
Maybe we need to bring old Buford down to Satsuma.
Grammie: You are so right. For some of the Ron Haters the ONLY purpose is to hate Ron. I saw a comment from one of them who said she didn’t even care about Haleigh anymore. She hated her. Was tired of the case and wanted to move on.
Now THAT’s a HATER for you!
I think the Ron-haters who are showing up here now were recently set adrift after their RSO site host disappeared and they’ve set up a new hate cave for themselves. I wish they’d go back to it since absolutely no actual fact or real bit of information can deter their main purpose which is to hate Ron. I’ve never seen anything like it! It’s clear they don’t give a damn about Haleigh. Only hating. Oh and possibly as a secondary treat they’d love to cause fighting and get this board shut down.
Let’s not let them do that!
m2c, I don’t like all this fighting anymore than you. I don’t hate Ron or Misty or Crystal. What’s really bugging me is all the lying these so-called adults are doing while a 5 year old child is still missing.
If any of them give a rat’s patootie about Haleigh then suck up the consequences and spill it!
m2c: I agree, this shouldn’t be about hating on anyone. Rather it should be about loving and caring enough to want Haleigh found and justice served. Haters serve no purpose other than causing boards to close down and intimidating people from participating.
I wish people could detach from the personalities in the case (And, OH, MY, they are polarizing!! lol) and focus more on the facts. Ultimately, facts will solve the case long before wild speculation.
I appreciate your friendliness!
I am pleased to see some of our old friends back. Please keep it friendly.
GrammieM:
We’ve been trying to stick to the facts but LE is rather stingy with the info. I don’t know why.
Go back and look at the archives of the case from the beginning, Jax4 is a good place to start.
Polly, I agree. But after hearing what we have recently I truly wonder if there has EVER BEEN one objective individual or organization that has investigated her disappearance? If any began honestly were they swayed by the vigorously publicized “misinformation” from KP and others?
Haleigh was let down by everyone involved from the start. Including outsiders who got involved.
Makes me sick.
Some part of the FBI’s Behavioral Science Unit should investigate this entire situation - it’s the perfect example of the worst in human behavior and investigation (IMO).
Simon,
When is Cobra coming back?
m2c: Yes I agree, it’s time for the crew from Quantico to get involved.
Thank Heavens, truth is coming out, and now lets Find Haleigh and Bring her Home….
When things become co complicated you can’t see the forest for the trees, we forget how truly simple things can be. This case is going to be a very simple issue.. Who, what, Why and When, what does misty know, and what is she covering for.. Ask Tommy Croslin…
Occam’s Razor!
Polly, you’re right about that as far as FBI taking over the investigation.
But what I meant was a special study about the cock-up investigation, the small town that’s afraid to talk or won’t? LE who makes up it’s mind in one night? Stops looking and waits on a call from a 17 year old? Plus all the “extras” who interfered from lawyers and PIs to bloggers. It’s really something for those professionals to study to understand how so much can go so wrong for so long in the supposed search for a little girl.
m2c:
I can’t figure out why LE hasn’t leaned on Ron, Misty and Crystal more. Usually the parents are put through the wringer, but LE seems to have given everyone a pass. Why?
Is it because the sheriff is new? All PCSO has to do is ask the FBI. Surely Ron can’t be that big an influence in that town.
I feel terrible for the children involved.
One more question then I’m off to bed.
What about gang activity in Putnam Co.?
Anyone know about that?
And sorry that was two questions.
Polly: Thanks for the input. They do seem closed-mouthed, but there’s often a reason for it. However, strategically leaked info can also help bring resolution. I had been following the case since the beginning but then new info just seemed to dry up, which is why I started seeking out info on the net about the case. lol I’ll check out the old posts though.
I’m also at a loss as to why more pressure hasn’t been applied to all of the pertinent parties to the case. BTW, I’ve read/heard various reports on Crystal’s boyfriend. Does anyone have concrete info as to his whereabouts the night she was taken, etcetera?
Hi, Polly! I believe LE leaned on Ron and Misty pretty hard in the beginning. I think I heard that they interrogated Misty for a total of 30 hours (over a span of probably weeks - not all at once). And they interviewed Ron and he (as well as Misty) willingly took LDTs. LE HAS to have nailed down Ron’s whereabouts that night. His boss, co-workers, phone calls etc. All pretty easy to check. Of course we don’t have access to that info so all we’ve heard are rumors that he wasn’t at work. But if LE thought he wasn’t I think they’d have come down much harder on him and on Misty.
I don’t know how much LE talked to Crystal. It’s that side of the family that has been given a free pass IMO. It could have been someone Crystal knows who did it. Plus the other possibility of an SO that LE doesn’t know about yet. All are things I don’t think LE has looked into enough.
m2c: I agree it seems that Crystal and her side of the family have not been scrutinized enough despite obvious motivations for discrediting Ron’s parenting skills.
Is viva pirate incognito? Sure sounds like it to me. So the truth about her precious dream lover Crystal has come out and she is livid! Oh well, Karma is a bitch.
Karen, do you even care about HaLeigh? Setting aside I am not shocked at the fact that your sleuthing skills are lacking, and thats putting it super nicely, but I am not pirate, what is it with some of you people?
Because I refuse to tear apart the mother of HaLeigh, that means I want to date Crystal? Is that even rational? OF course its not rational, but your cause is defending Ronald Cummings, I mean, do I dare suggest he is your dream lover? I mean, I am starting to think some of you need eharmony or something-
I am not livid, I am a realist, Crystal was caught with pills or whatever, ok, she admits she has a problem, she has been honest, unlike Ron, who has been arrested for HEROIN- METH-COCAINE-GHB- you ask Ronald Cummings, and he aint never done took a drug or been around drugs in his whole life- and that just doesn’t ring true- Why not question that?
Good evening all.
Viva, If you don’t like the fct that most of us here want every single person closely looked at and investigated, that includes Crystal, Then maybe this isn’t the blog for you.
Crystal is NOT Mother of the year.
Ron is NOT Father of the year.
Misty is NOT babysitter/Wife/StepMother of the year.
Each and every person in Haleigh’s life NEEDS to be seriously investigated to the max.
THEY ALL DO DRUGS!!! Not one is better from the other.
Although, Any woman who does drugs and/or drink while pregnant shouldn’t have custody of any child and should be put away.
CRYSTAL MADE THE CHOICE TO DO DRUGS WHILE PREGNANT!!!
She’s not innocent!
Viva said,in November 16th, 2009 at 8:48 pm Karen, do you even care about HaLeigh? Setting aside I am not shocked at the fact that your sleuthing skills are lacking, and thats putting it super nicely, but I am not pirate, what is it with some of you people?
Because I refuse to tear apart the mother of HaLeigh, that means I want to date Crystal? Is that even rational? OF course its not rational, but your cause is defending Ronald Cummings, I mean, do I dare suggest he is your dream lover? I mean, I am starting to think some of you need eharmony or something-
I am not livid, I am a realist, Crystal was caught with pills or whatever, ok, she admits she has a problem, she has been honest, unlike Ron, who has been arrested for HEROIN- METH-COCAINE-GHB- you ask Ronald Cummings, and he aint never done took a drug or been around drugs in his whole life- and that just doesn’t ring true- Why not question that?
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LOL, sleuthing skills, LOL, you’re an idiot. A realist? No, you’re a liar. And not a very good one at that. With that holier than thou attitude, everyone here can see you for exactly what you are, a hypocritical extremist, who is just itching to get a few minutes of fame off a poor innocent, missing little girl. PATHETIC!
Viva have you not been reading what the people are saying in here.
No one seems to be defending Ronald Cummings. In fact it seems to me that the majority of people leaving comments in here are open to the fact that we do NOT know who is responsible here but it is very clear that Crystal and her side of the family have NOT been thoroughly investigated in this and in all fairness they should be.
Why should one side be torn apart and not the other. Tearing Ron’s side apart has come up with nothing concrete as of yet so like it was said, if Crystal has nothing to hide why object to letting LE investigate them equally.
It sure seems to me like as soon as we suggested this we have been bombarded with new bloggers that seem to be hell bent on relaying their opinion that Crystal needs to be left alone. To me all that says is leave her alone because she has something they don’t want the public to know.
So I am going to tell you right now, don’t come in here trashing the people because they aren’t against Crystal and her family being checked out more. They are NOT saying she is guilty but the only way to be sure of that is that she is gone over with a fine tooth comb to be sure.
If you don’t like what they are saying then I am sure you can find somewhere else to blog. No one in here has stated that they hate Crystal and think she is guilty of anything but when you and your friends come in here and so strongly defend her this way it sure makes me for one wonder just what is it that you and your friends don’t want the public to find out.
Think about this and if you have a problem still I am going to ask you to go somewhere else now. I am asking this with all the respect but BNN doesn’t want more fighting. We just want to work together to find Haleigh. In order to do that we have GOT to look at every possibility without judging first.
Thank you!
Jan Barrett
Karen, are you are saying that people who leave comments, are out for fame? Thats a very strange perspective, but I would expect nothing less from you. I someday hope someone sits down with you and explains leaving comments on a blog does not equate to being on Star Search-
Peace out Jan, looking forward to your daily Young and Restless updates!
Well, it is discouraging to say the least to run into people who spews non-stop about the father, won’t accept facts about the mother, and can’t or won’t talk about any other aspect of Haleigh’s disappearance. The word “obsession” comes to mind.
If we’re going to be obsessed with something it should be with finding Haleigh. And none of that other stuff helps with that IMO.
Thank you, Jan B! Sorry I didn’t see your comment before leaving mine above. Yours said it all!
Okay, If Crystal admitted to taking unprecribed pain meds in April and Marie told KP that Crystal stole her father’s meds in April, Wouldn’t that be a clear sign that it is/was an addiction? Another thing, If she was taking the meds from an old car accident, why didn’t she have her own meds? Also, if she also had a seizure in April, I have to wonder if the meds she stole from her father is what caused her seizures.
So for KP to say she didn’t know until June about a drug addiction tells me 1 of 2 things, Either KP is truly an idiot, or she was trying to hide it altogether, hence the reason she didn’t want the media to know about the seizure, probably because the meds Crystal stole from her father is what caused the seizure in the first place. JMHO
Jan, thank you for explaining once again what most of us have been saying all along. For some reason, some people can’t seem to read what we’ve been saying.
To add to my post, If KP is was willing to hide this drug addiction, What else was she hiding? What else was she trying to protect Crystal’s side about from LE and everyone else who has tried to get close to that side?
I DON’T CARE WHAT MIGHT BE SAID .BUT IMO KIM JUST LIED. HOW THE HELL DID COBRA KNO ABOUT CRYSTAL GETTING HIGH? THEN A DANG CRACK PIPE WAS FOUND IN THE TRUCK AND HERE ART AND HIS LYING 2 FACED BACKSTABBING SELF TRIED TO COVER UP THE TRUTH WHAT KINDA CRAP IS THAT ARTS REP IS SHOT!!!!
I’M STARTING TO WONDER IF HALEIGH ISNT LIVE ANYMORE.
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Crystal was about to go to jail for not paying child support.
She didn’t pay child support, nor did she go to any court hearings.
When Haleigh went missing Crystal tried getting custody of Jr.
She tried to put in MORE false reports about Ron.
No one is able to investigate Crystal’s side of the family.
She was stealing her father’s medication.
She did drugs while pregnant with Chloe.
She has tried to claim that Haleigh isn’t Ron’s.
Did I miss anything?
Anyways, I see all of these as being red flags and she needs to be fairly investigated just like Ron and Misty and their families have been.
They have investigated Crystal’s side of the family, what am I missing?
LE has basically said it was a slim chance a stranger did this, because there is no DNA evidence of someone *not* authorized to be in that MH. It has been stated by Ron none of Crystal’s side including Crystal was in that MH *before* Haleigh went missing. So if their DNA showed UP, anyone of them would be prime suspects. Apparently that didn’t happen & LE is telling us in few words it is someone that has been in the home or Misty(?) took her out of the home. Since Misty was supposedly home the whole time & LE’s evidence shows she is the one lying…so it was someone known to have been in that mobile or at the very least Misty knows.
P.S. For the record, I don’t think either one should have custody at this time.
Jan, thank you for being very honest and direct, and I agree.. If this is considered a family abduction, then all family members need to be investigated.. If anyone has a problem with the Bio Mom’s family going through an investigation it does appear there may well be something, they just don’t want out there.
So Pirate was actually a Ronette undercover, wtg Pirate for getting the TRUTH out there! ha ha ha
Karma really is a B*tch.
I wonder how long the plank is?
Can anyone say JAWS lol lol
Hey Reply…tonight I’m Karma.
Sorry all for the o/t, it’s just all so ironic; IMHO Pirate was so cruel, vindictive, spiteful and hateful at times..unbelievable. WTG Kendall, you’ve done a fine job representing CS and MG. Hopefully LE will go and investigate a few more now, without Detective Cone.
BRING HALEIGH HOME
Bewildered, It’s very easy to wear gloves so there is no fingerprints left behind.
GrammieM, I liked reading your post. It seems that this missing child is causing division in the blogs, not because of her but her family and their lifestyle. I think most people who have involved themselves with Haleigh’s disappearance are more concerned with taking sides on which family is the worst instead of concerning themselves with Haleigh. Is this one of the complications LE is having getting this problem getting this solved. Thank you Jan and Simon for trying to bring some reason to this mess. Anyone who tries to do honest reporting and investigating on this case is chastised and ridiculed. If each poster would go back and read the posts objectively I would think they would see how immature some would sound. This is serious a child is missing. Not an internet game! Pointing fingers at one another will not bring Haleigh home. Let’s use all internet blogs in a postive way to find what has happened to Haleigh.
WHen did LE ever say anything about any DNA or lack of DNA found or not found in the MH?
I believe that the “not a stranger” comes from the location of the MH. It is not like it is on a main road. You would have to go there specifically because you knew the MH was there.
Just to clarify, neighbors, mailmen, milkmen, AC guy, anybody that would have known HaLeigh, hell even the bag boy at the grocery store, would not be considered a stranger.
Just because it is not a stranger does not mean it is a family member. Many other people can fall into the “not a stranger” category.
Viva you keep spouting off about Ron being busted with Heroin, can you give me a date, county that he was arrested for those charges because I sure can not find that charge
Thanks Judithan for taking the time to read my post and respond in a positive manner. My fondest hope is that this beautiful little girl is found alive and well somewhere. It seems that law enforcement is deadlocked for some reason on this case and I hate to see it become a cold case. I hope the good citizens of Florida push for justice and don’t allow that to happen. I appreciated finding the blogs here keeping the case alive; I wish the national media would follow suit.
According to the files TJ posted, several people witnessed Misty hitting Butterbean in the face.
They went through that house for 1 - 2 weeks. They didn’t find anything that could be attributed to to anyone that was not “supposed” to in the house before. They only lived there for a few months, so it wasn’t hard. You can wear gloves sure, but hair net too? NO evidence!
Was that right for Kim to try and keep child services from finding out about the pipe in Chad’s vehicle? She should have been looking out for the best interests of the children, not the highed up adults.
If the allegations of Misty hitting Butterbean in the face are true, then she could have done the same to Haleigh.
If I remember correctly TJ stated that a couple of people at the bus stop said Misty slapped Jr while picking up Haleigh the evening before she disappeared. However a number of other people agreed with Ron’s stmt that he picked Haleigh up that day and Misty wasn’t even there. So I don’t think TJ was stating that as a fact but as a conflict in testimony from people at the bus stop.
Bewildered, if it was an abductor then yes, it’s called a ski mask.
The many pictures of Haleigh smiling, looking happy, led me to believe she was not abused at home.
But then I saw Shaniya’s pictures, and she too was smiling and appeared very happy. She looked so beautiful in all of her pictures, and well taken care of.
So now, I can’t trust that smiling pictures of Haleigh mean she wasn’t abused at home.
It was all lies made up by some locals that blogged with Pirate and KP on Websleuths. Kind of like the lie they made up about Ron sending Jr up to Mary’s door to see baby J so that Ron could kidnap him. That was made up by the same people. Kind of like the lie about Ron mudbogging with a 13 year old. Kind of like the lie about Ron having both Misty and another girl pregnant and due at the same time. Kind of like the lie about Teresa not living where she said she did and being at the MH before LE got there. Kind of like the lie of Ron sticking a gun down a top Putnam county drug dealers throat and robbing him. Kind of like the lie that Ron did not go to work that night but was out threatening some guy that owed him money for yard work. Kind of like the lie that Ron snuck out of work and was seen drunk. Kind of like the lie that Ron was stealing donation money from the stores. Kind of like the lie about Ron demanding free food and drinks from Chiles.
I could go on but you get the idea. I think pirate is evil, she posted many many lies and people who do not take the time to research just followed her like sheep soaking up her words as gospel
It’s in the documents TJ posted. Witnesses to Misty hitting Butterbean in the face. It happened in May, if I remember correctly.
Denise, Shaniya was a happy little girl, living with her dad when those pictures were taken. She had only been with her mom less than a month.
I do think Haleigh was happy at home, always clean, her hair fixed, nice outfit, happy smile and I assume that was due to her grandma.
I also give Ron credit that there were many pictures that he was spending time with his kids.
I saw pictures of Ron, dying eggs, fishing a number of different times, pushing her on riding toys, assisting her with her breathing machine. I don’t doubt that Ron loved Haleigh. When this first happened everyone said how much he loved her including Crystal. The 1st time I saw Crystal she said he was a good dad and everyone knew Haleigh was his little baby.
Both Cobra and TJ said on the radio show that yes, Ron did cause a stir at a restaurant. Cobra and TJ both imitated Ron at the same time (on the radio show) by saying “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?”
Denise,
Shaniya’s photo’s were more than likely taken by her father while she lived with him, she’d only been living with her mother for 3 weeks.
RIP Shaniya
Well I personally called Chiles and was told a different story, so I can only go by what a person in management told me personally. I did not listen to the show on Sunday but I do not remember TJ ever saying he was in a restaurant when Ron was there causing a scene, but I may have missed it.
Shaniya even appeared calm and relaxed in the arms of the man caught in the hotel surveilance video. Her mother had already prostituted her, so it just amazes me that she still appeared to be a happy, relaxed little girl.
We need to do much more to protect children.
It was a recent show, where Cobra and TJ both imitated Ron at the same time. Apparently, the cameras and public attention affected Ron’s ego.
I have a hard time reconciling that KP was serving her client well. Honestly, how did she? I don’t think public opinion was changed just because she bought the girl a shirt or got her nails done. We the public are not fools!!!
I also do not believe that she did those children any favors either. Didn’t she have a moral obligation to ensure that Chloe was safe?
I flat out DO NOT believe that she DID NOT KNOW Crystal was doing drugs.
I do believe that a group of people decided that they were going to “cash in” when THEY saw that the case had some “entertainment” value… tv exposure, etc.
And RIGHTLY so, it has bitten them right where it should have, in their HIDDEN AGENDAS!!
*****************Once Again*************** Self Importance Is One Hell Of A Drug
Well I know that “Do you know who I am” came from Pirate on WS about Ron demanding free food and drinks at Chiles. I called. Management said did not happen.
Denise, there is no way Shaniya had already been raped in that picture at the elevator.
There’s probably a lot of pictures of Haleigh with her mother and maternal family, but not released to the media.
cent, I agree, KP knew. She’s not stupid, I only saw Crystal on TV and knew she was stoned a number of times. Cobra told KP and she has worked with him enough to know if he said it he knew. It’s a joke for her to act innocent about it. She knew but she was protecting her client even by lying. I don’t know why she won’t just admit that.
The photos I saw were slide shows on youtube. One would think Crystal would want to do the same. Considering Haleigh is her daughter too and it would be more pictures out there for the world to see. And people could see how happy she was with her as well. But hey, ya never know, right.
Crystal had more pictures of her car and chloe on her myspace then she did of HaLeigh and Jr. I know if I only could see my kids a few days a month I would have tons of pictures of them.
Denise,
According to the files published people CLAIM to have seen Misty hit Jr. Doesn’t mean it happened. Kim P also claimed Crystal was clean and we know that wasn’t true. Just cause someone says something, doesn’t make it true.
Anyone else wondering what was meant by “Haleigh’s last moments” ??
It’s from papa’s post on the other thread regarding KP complaint dismissal.
Denise, Shaniya probably was happy and well cared for and that’s why she looks that way in the pics. Her mother only got her back a few weeks ago, and the pics were taken before that, by her father.
Thanks for the clarification about when the pictures of Shaniya were taken. I’m glad that most of her life whe was safe, and happy.
Cobra and TJ confirmed Ron C did say “Do you know who I am?”, and I do believe them. Pirate (whomever that is) and others no doubt heard him say that also.
Anyway, it’s not very important what Ron said in a restaurant, although it does give a feel for his state of mind at that time. The community and media attention probably affected him in a big way.
So basically it boils down to this????…..
Because Ron says in a restaurant “Do you know who I am?” people are assuming it’s because his daughter is missing???
Pirate heard who say what? Heard Ron say those words themselves? Or heard Cobra and TJ say those words?
People claiming that Misty hit Butterbean in the face doesn’t mean she really did, or didn’t. However, fire is often where there is smoke.
Viva said,
in November 16th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
LEts just stop focusing on the house Ron was running, no job for years-
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That’s not what Kim said in the released documents. She said he was gainfully employed almost the entire time whereas Crystal sat on her ass. Even Marie wants to get Crystal’s ass up off the couch.
Yes, PAW69, that is how TJ and Cobra took it. They both imitiated what Ron said that caused a stir in the restaurant.
Ron only had a job for a few months, but what’s that got to do with anything, Vaquera? Arguing about who worked and when isn’t going to find Haleigh.
I just don’t see where him saying, “do you know who I am?” at a restaurant has a stand for anything.
True, hangnon.
The pictures on Crystal’s myspace are ALMOST all from Ron’s side of the family. (IE - pictures she has gotten offline - the same ones that we have all been able to get).
My thoughts on the new docs released today:
Kim was not completely honest and clearly Crystal has not been honest at all - even with her own attorney. One rule in life is ALWAYS be honest with your attorney.
Kim stated that she had not been posting on ANY forums. She said she had staff that “monitored” forums but that there was no posting. Yet, she had TopGunner (ie Karen Devine) a mod from WebSleuths write a statement. In the statement, TopGunner stated that Kim had an account on Websleuths under the name KLP. Kim changed her username to JERICO. At that time, KLP’s posts were merged with JERICO’s posts. Notice the word POSTS. If Kim was NOT posting, there would be no posts in which to merge. Those of us who were members of Websleuth all saw Kim posting in the Rumor Thread and remember Kim quite well her late night visits. I suspect that there are people that have screenshots of each and every post Kim made.
The owner of WS has a policy where people are verified when they post there. Any local, attorney, or person involved in a case needs to speak with Tricia on the phone and verify your identity. So, when Kim posted on WS, we knew she was who she was because she had been verified by Tricia.
As for Crystal. I find so many things stated in these documents extremely horrifying and just downright wrong.
Chloe being born with drugs in her system. Crystal still using drugs, yet her trying to paint Ron as some sort of drug addict when there is NO EVIDENCE at all that he uses drugs, nor is there any evidence at all that he has used any drugs since prior to him having custody. The all out campaign to smear Ron and his family. I find these things just so wrong and they leave a very bitter taste in my mouth. All IMO.
Ron and Crystal even with the drug use and all, they are innocent in Haleigh’s disapearance. They passed the lie detector test and they seem to love and miss Haleigh the most. Misty holds the key to Haleigh’s disappearnce, she keeps failing the lie detector test. She needs to be pushed till she talks, but she seems too smart for that.
Here’s a thought… perhaps KP told someone else what to post… if so… technically she did not post. So she can truthfully deny doing so(herself).
Not that I buy it!!!!
hangnon said,
in November 16th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Well I know that “Do you know who I am” came from Pirate on WS about Ron demanding free food and drinks at Chiles. I called. Management said did not happen.
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I bet it was also Pirate who gave that info to cobra and Art. She did claim to be some kinfolk even though the Cummings have never heard of them.
Dangerous to post children’s photos. Most parents I know will not do that. If Crystal did not post their photos, I applaud her.
A pedophile raped a toddler, she had to have a hysterectomy.
When police searched his home, they found many newspaper clippings of childrens photos, along with their birthdates, parents names and addresses, names and ages of siblings.
Parents paid to have photos and a few paragraphs of text placed on the birthday page of that newspaper.
Pedophiles scour the web for children, just as that pedophile did the newspaper. It is NOT safe to post photos of your children, and other identifying information on social networking sites.
Wow So does anyone remember HALEIGH ANN-MARIE CUMMINGS?
Of Course not it’s all about who can be the most important..Sad!!!
***News Flash*** The only angel in all of this is Haleigh..
No one else matters or shouldn’t any way..Guess if it was just about Haleigh though some/most wouldn’t have nothing to do with all their free time…
So who is going to be outed next by you most important bloggers? Come on put everyone’s dirty laundry out there once and for all so it can get back to HALEIGH ANN-MARIE CUMMINGS!!!
It’s a shame we can’t hear more about what Haleigh is like, what she likes to do, Play with, Her favorite character, instead of her *beep* parents who didn’t deserve her or instead of all these bloggers who inserted their selves in this case for attention and importance…
Anyone wonder where Haleigh is or just what the next nosy blogger move is going to be?
Jan and Simon if you want to put a story up for hits how about something about Haleigh instead of all these screwed up people in this mess…After all it is suppose to be about Haleigh not all the drama RIGHT?
So let’s hear more about Haleigh!!!!
It’s a shame Haleigh doesn’t have a fan club like Ron and Crystal has..
It is necessary for missing children!!
It is necessary to put up pictures of missing children!!!!
Thanks Jan, unfortunately, it probably won’t be the last. Wavering between agendas and personal self hate directed at Ron and all others who don’t hate and seek honest truth.
None of us know who took Haleigh at this point. We have some educated common sense theories being:
1. Family abduction
2. stranger abduction
3. accidental death and disposal by one of her main caretakers having opportunity being Ron and/or Misty.
With these latest revelations by Kim, reported on by TJ Hart, Simon and the courts, family statements, internet sleuthing and interference along with the minute scant facts revealed by LE, this muddied “Hot Mess” of Haleigh’s disappearance is somewhat coming into focus suddenly. Lest, the train wreck drivers themselves who have in my opinion, border on being criminal as to the effects it’s had on the case.
Hangnon, treece, m2c, my 2 cents, paws69, cent, noreen, Karen, Polly, Allie and GrannyM, your posts reflects my thoughts, goals, and questions, hugs
Mick said,
in November 17th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Ron only had a job for a few months, but what’s that got to do with anything, Vaquera? Arguing about who worked and when isn’t going to find Haleigh.
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I am talking about the whole time he’s had the kids not just the PDM joba. We are discussing what was said the those released docs and that’s what I am doing.
*job.
Treece, she’s warning people about putting children’s pictures on myspace and other sites, to keep pedophiles from seeking them out. She’s not talking about posters and pictures to find missing children. Can’t you read?
Vaq, for the last time I will tell you that Cobra and TJ confirmed that Ron C did say that. Pretend they didn’t if you wish, but the truth is they did. If you want to hear Cobra and TJ say it, play the last two or three radio shows. Doesn’t matter to me, as it doesn’t have anything to do with finding Haleigh.
Hey Folks,it is ashamed that with all the dirty that has been dug up on all the losers in this case,and all the bs that no one has found this sweet little girl.If everyone would turn their attention to looking for Haleigh as much as they do on mud slinging maybe someone would find her.You think.At this point I could care less about which one is doing what unless it has to do with finding Haleigh.We all know by now the whole clan is doing drugs,done drugs,sleep with each other and robbed each other and everyone else in that town,but the fact still remains HALEIGH CUMMINGS is still MISSING.I pray if this child is found DCF will at that point will walk in take both children and place them with a loving family.Make these parents go through NA,drug test,parenting classes,be made to find and keep jobs,have a home,and good sound daycare.Watch them all for years and make sure they have safe and loving homes,be made to share those kids and stop using them as sick ponds in their games.So go ahead and blast me again I don’t care.I only come on here because I feel in love with a little lost child.I care about her not the bull crap.I have never in my life met a perfect family,person,or thing.But I know in my heart that know matter how sorry these people are that both and I mean both Ron and Crystal are missing and love that little girl,and if they had half a chance to do it all over again they might make it right.I don’t care for Ron one bit but that don’t matter at all.I heard this said but children one day:don’t hate,they are right.But you don’t have to like.Haleigh if you are gone,then fly little Butterfly.If not go home soon and I pray that your Mom and Dad will learn to get along and give you the love a little child should have.And all the hate goes away.Goodnight
I, JEREMIAH REGAN, who after first bong duly sworn, deposes and says:
(1) My name is JEREMIAH REGAN, and I am over IS years of age. I met Crystal Sheffield
hi early March 2009, prior to Kim Picazio’s representation of her. Kim Pioazio and I had never met prior
to March 2009. At that time, I was living in Hastings, Florida, a town around 20 minutes from where
Haleigh Cutnmiftgs went missing.
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How could the above be true when he’s standing behind Marie Griffis in the video of the prayer vigil on February 14th (I think it was the 14th, may have been the 12th). Am I seeing things or reading something incorrectly?
Abby, if you read the entire blog she is referring to a previous posting where someone talked about all the pictures of Ron with Haleigh but the lack of pictures with Crystal. She said she applauds her for not…..
But the previous post was referring to Crystal’s my space acct. Maybe you have a comprehension problem. I’ll post it here for you again. Hope that helps.
J said,
in November 17th, 2009 at 12:22 am
True, hangnon.
The pictures on Crystal’s myspace are ALMOST all from Ron’s side of the family. (IE - pictures she has gotten offline - the same ones that we have all been able to get).
Hello Noreen,
You are correct. Jeremiah Regan was at the vigil on February 12th:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JIP79xYCWg
Video shot at the first vigil.
Still from the video:
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2830/jeremiahvigil.jpg
You are NOT seeing things my friend. Not at all.
J, that was a quick find. I was trying to locate it too and hadn’t even come close.
I just wanted to let you all know we have a blogger in here tonight that keeps posting under a different name pretending to be someone else. I have counted several and in fact it is someone that has been banned but keeps coming back with a different IP.
I will just continue banning until one day they get tired. I am in the process of notifying Verizon out of the Pittsburg area of the problem, hopefully they will help stop it.
A few of the names are Denise, Abby, Deb (not the regular Deb that posts in here), Mick, Claire and who knows who else that I may have missed. Just be careful everyone.
Thanks and have a good night everyone. It is one of thse sleepless nights for me I see.
Night,
Jan Barrett
Mick and Claire, your posts speak truth.’
I don’t believe the restaurant out of Ron for one second. Foolishness. If you can’t dig it out as low as you have sunk, then make it up I guess, throw it up on the wall, something will stick eventually, right? But what some are saying, yeah, it has nothing to do with Haleigh. But every darn thing to do with what has turned this case into a dangerous pit of disgust. Haleigh’s parents deserve better than this. We don’t know “Who done it yet”. I will continue to treat them correctly.
Doesn’t mean I won’t ask questions, become amazed, laugh, cry, and smirk. It goes to show just how far and low some people have gone in this case for many self serving reasons, but they all have one common element, “TO BE IN CONTROL OF THE CASE TO THE BEST OF THEIR POWERS, control others minds with intent to stop them from speaking out if it isn’t supporting their purposes”.
To poster “Totally Amazed”, your words put down the users here. To not know the people and say what you have, using your own words in concept, “What good is coming out of your very own post? For Haleigh? For the prosperity of this forum and registered users?
Haleigh is precious, an angel as you say. But your post surely took the sweetness out of those thoughts and lingering fragrance her smile leaves impressed upon our minds.
For some reason, some have derailed this case, berated the public participants, and LE at least is wrong by stagnating complacency. Instead of asking us “Why we aren’t keeping it about Haleigh, speaking and keeping her name out there”, why not ask LE these same questions? Surely they have more power, authority, knowledge and resources than we do. Yet her name is kept on going for another day. LE could use the public, reward money and media at the tip of their fingers and lips, and do Haleigh more good than what they are doing, in her name. ~~~~ Angel Haleigh~~~~
Oh now wait a second, unless I’m dreaming…I remember Cobra telling us all about KP and JR right here on BTR. How could the statement he made in KP documents be true, what is true and what is false?
Where is Haleigh? Please bring her home.
treece,
I have that video bookmarked, both in youtube, and in my favorite places.
I always know where to find it. I can’t figure out why no one wants to talk about Jeremiah. Why was Jeremiah in Satsuma the first day that HaLeigh was missing? It is a question that I, and many others would really like answered, yet NO ONE will even TOUCH that question. We can’t even get anything resembling an answer. It’s very frustrating.
I have questions about his father, too. I am sure I will never get straight answers about him either.
Jan thank you for the heads up. These are probably the same ones that go board to crime forum board berating the posters, “Where is Haleigh, why isn’t this about her”? over and over when it’s obvious it’s about them. Out of my twenty year tenor of being interested in true crime, nine years on the net, Haleigh’s case is the first I’ve seen turned upside down and smashed continually. I heard horror stories about the Jon Benet Ramsey case, not having internet at that time, followed it on tv, I now fully understand what many meant and described during the active time of her case.
I believe Haleigh’s case is the new exclusive Jon Benet Ramsey of the internet world. Sad indeed. When Haleigh is found, I will not follow another case until a long resoration period. I hope these people one day grow to learn that what they have done, is push caring honest citizens away from recognizing and participating in the Hunt for Justice to those who fall victims to crime. Hope their satisfied, as I know I’m not alone. They claim to care for the victims, especially the missing children, I see right through them. If they truly cared for the children, they would treat most internet posters with much more kindness. Granted there are those who single handedly earn their treatment they get back, but most of us don’t deserve this. We’re human beings too with feelings just like the victims, and we do our share of praying, reading for clues, participate in discussion in hopes to one day make a small contribution to a good cause.
Bless you J, I thought I was losing my mind, thank you for locating that.
Didn’t KP just recently inform LE that she could vouch for JR, that there was no way he could be in another state as she knew where he was and has proof.
How could that be true, she hadn’t even met him at the time in question. He was there with Crystal, Marie and Sarah in February. KP arrived in mid-march.
LE…please, investigate Johnny Sheffield, Sarah Sheffield and Jeremiah Regan. Please bring Haleigh home.
You are very welcome, Noreen.
As for KP informing LE that she could vouch for Jeremiah… I have no idea how she could do that. Kim claimed she did not know him prior to arriving in Satsuma. As best as I can tell, Kim arrived on or about March 12th. Obviously Jeremiah was there a month prior.
Do not forget CONNIE SHEFFIELD in your list of those to investigate, though.
Deb…you applaud her for posting Chloe’s pics but not Haleigh’s pics? hmmm. Why do you think it’s ok for her to post pics of Chloe but applaud her for not posting pics of Haleigh?
To a few fellow posters above regarding the mobile home: Are we really sure the mobile home IS the crime scene? Maybe it ONLY the coverup scene. Remember Joe pytko’s sworn affidavit and the letter from naynay to home verifing that LE was questioning her on this sworn affidavit. Maybe the reason no viable evidence was found at the scene was bcuz it was NOT THE SCENE! If Chads party house was the real scene couldn’t they easliy have used tape to go over that house in the raid and found a few of Haleighs (or Jr’s) hairs if she acidentally OD’d there. If so there’d be big consequences. Wonder if that was done?!!!(when the raid happened).If not I think i think another raid has to happen. WINK WINK if LE is monitoring!
Jan,
Thanks so much for the info and for maintaining such a great place for us to post at. I am fairly new here and really glad I found your site. Thanks to you and Simon for your hard work…it is appreciated.
Deb/and whatever other names you call yourself,
You carried on about how smart Crystal was for not posting Haleigh’s pics, but she was posting Chloe’s pics, so I have no idea why you were applauding her.
I think it’s sad and frankly obvious that Crystal doesn’t care much for her kids…she didn’t pay child support, didn’t see Haleigh as often as she could have/should have, hasn’t called LE to inquire about Haleigh, and is such a selfish person that she used illegal drugs and poisoned her unborn baby while she was still in the womb. I’m shocked DCF even let her keep Chloe knowing she was born with illegal drugs in her system thanks to her “mother”.
Speaking of Names, “my 2 cents,” please remember that you are using the screen name that I first used long ago when I joined BNN. Since then I shortened it to m2c. I told a few people yesterday and will continue to let people know that you and I are NOT the same person in an effort to avoid confusion in the future.
m2c…
“please remember that you are using the screen name that I first used long ago…”???? With all due respect, I had no idea you used that nic, but I’m guessing there are 1000s of us using it on many sites, so if I were you, I’d try getting over it and get used to the fact it’s a pretty popular nic out there! I have no idea what the purpose of your post was? Do you feel you own your nic and your old nics and that when others use them they ought to “remember” that it used to be your nic? I’m confused.
So, lets see if I got this right, I have been trying to read all the posts here so I may have missed something.
Truths about Crystal and Marie and their antics are coming out now due to a Florida Bar complaint filed by Crystal, The Ron haters are hitting the sites to do clean up (or attempt to) and keep the Ron hating going, and now someone who keeps changing names is trying to morph the case of Shaniya in a way to prove their point of view on Ron.
I am sickened that they would use Shaniya to fuel hatred of the parent of a missing child. What was done to Shaniya is incomprehensible and the fact someone would attempt to use her case to help bolster their claim that Ron was abusing the children is disgusting.
When you Ron haters start yelling where is Haleigh in this remember her, I have to laugh, pot meet kettle. While you are hitting all the boards spewing hate for him, where is Haleigh in that and how is that helping find her? It is not helping anything but muddying the waters more and hindering the progress.Think about that next time you spew your hate would you? Maybe that is your goal though, to hinder progress. JMO
DKerr, I agree with you. Praying for Haleigh
What I said, “my two cents” was that I was trying to “let people know that you and I are NOT the same person in an effort to avoid confusion in the future.”
I posted similar comments yesterday and did not see a response from you so I thought you did not know yet.
I am not claiming the name “my two cents,” it’s obviously not original, and I go by m2c now. BUT
there are a lot of people here who knew me back then and might think I switched back.
I wanted them to know I’m still just m2c and I wanted you to know in case you get some weird response to your posts some day (possibly from someone mistaking you for me).
When you go to a new site you might want to give people the benefit of the doubt, maybe re-read a post if you think youve been insulted (I don’t see how you can get that from my post above) and be nice instead of telling people to “get over it.” You’re the one with the ‘tude amd at the moment showing NO sense!
Totally Amazed at 12:55 am: It would be nice if all we had to do was talk about Haleigh. As you said, “what she likes to do, Play with, Her favorite character, instead of her *beep* parents…”
But talking about Haleigh’s favorite things does NOTHING to help find out what happened to her.
Learning about her parents and the people near them and the bloggers, shysters, and so-called PIs who have inserted themselves into this case along with a very questionable Local LE MAY help to find out what happened.
What happened to Haleigh could be related to the people AROUND her! It’s extremely unfortunate that most of those people are such scumbags (to one degree or another) but that’s the way it is.
When Haleigh is found we can afford to talk about her favorite things but now we’re still looking for her.
So basically we have a lawyer who lies, no big surprise there, that was her job.
We have an Emmy award winning “journalist” (and I do use that term loosely} who was hired and paid to sway the public perception of Crystal by trashing the father of a missing child. That was obvious from day one.
We have bloggers with an agenda, and their followers who preferred following like sheep rather then doing their own research for the truth.
We have the owner of a once prominent crime sleuthing website who not only allowed her members to trash the family of a missing child (Wouldnt Marc Klaas be so proud), but allowed her members to post information and accusations regarding a minor childs sexual assault, allowed her moderator, who is a representative of the website, form a personal relationship with KP, pass on false information, and take information from a private area of WS and share it with others to use for their own agenda.
And these are the ones that claimed to love HaLeigh and want justice for HaLeigh?
This has been a sad situation from the start. EVERYBODY needs to be investigated, and I mean really investigated, not just asked a few questions.
Where is HaLeigh? Who took her? Who has kept her hidden?
It is time for this baby to be brought home.
Facts We Do Know
1. Misty did spend the weekend before Haleigh went missing elsewhere
2. Annette Sykes was apparently doing laundry for the family
3. Cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster
Now take a look at the character of the players:
Misty involved in a road rage incident
Misty robbed at a drug buy gone wrong
Lisa Croslin arrested for forgery
Tommy Croslin arrested for stealing a gun
Tommy Croslin arrested for narcotics possession
Crystal & Marie involved in the benefit concert gone awry
I’m not trying to be one sided, but Misty and her family just can’t seem to stay out of trouble.
Do any of you know if Ron has been hounding LE about progress? Or has he just decided to go on with his life?
Watch the behavior and keep in mind the real facts.
On the razor’s edge
GOD BLESS HALEIGH’S FAMILY EVEN THOUGH THEY DO WHAT THEY DO[DRUGS] IM SURE THE PAIN AND EMBARESSMENT IS THE SAME.
And that’s not all, hangnon! And we have another website (not a forum) that would win “Top Yellow Journalism Award” for the decade and yet another blogger who’s the mirror image of Pirate - doing much the same kind of thing but in support of Ron.
And what’s Cobra’s involvement in this? Does KP have him wrapped around her little finger now? I don’t even want to know. I’ve heard enough contradictions from both of them to last quite a while. I wish he and KP would just stay out of this case from now on. If they were truly honorable people they’d clam up and scoot (after telling the ACTUAL truth about everything they know).
AND we have a very suspicious-looking investigation by local LE!
Is it any wonder Haleigh has not been found?
It would have been a mega-miracle if she had been!
Polly @ 8:10 am
I agree with the exception of two things. The Road Rage incident is entirely Donna Brock’s fault. A passenger can wave a finger all they want but the driver can choose to slow down, or turn on to another road. That one is entirely Donna’s fault. It should be called “The Donna Brock Road Rage Incident.”
And as far as Ron hounding LE about progress in the case, are you sure that local LE wouldn’t find a way to “pay him back” for hassling them?
He’s still in trouble - isn’t he? - for supposedly hitting Tommy when the Croslin clan went to get Misty. And who can trust that local LE anyway, to not suddenly decide Ron had something to do with it. They’re in the best position to “lose” evidence or tamper with witness statements. So if Ron is not hounding LE I can’t blame him.
LE SHOULD NOT NEED TO BE HOUNDED! They should be on this 24/7 because it needs to be done - not because anyone asked them to.
Denise said,in November 16th, 2009 at 11:11 pm The many pictures of Haleigh smiling, looking happy, led me to believe she was not abused at home.
But then I saw Shaniya’s pictures, and she too was smiling and appeared very happy. She looked so beautiful in all of her pictures, and well taken care of.
So now, I can’t trust that smiling pictures of Haleigh mean she wasn’t abused at home.
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I haven’t read all the comments so this may have already been addressed. BIG DIFFERENCE in Haleigh and Shaniya. Shaniya lived w/ her father and never even visited the Mother, didn’t know her. The smiling pictures were from her time w/ her Father and his family. She had only been with the Mother for a few weeks, there are no smiling pictures from that, just surveillance video from the hotel. There is NO COMPARISON between Haleigh and Shaniya.
Good Morning, all, just kind of trying to read everyone’s comments, Wow!
Ok, had some “Friends” look into some issues that have bothered me. They have concluded that indeed Chrystal and her family has a little outside influence that is keeping her from trouble with many legal institutions; I am not speaking about KP. They are researching this farther.
Lawshrink: THANK YOU for looking into this. I suspected as much long ago.
I wonder if it’s possible that that “outside influence” has influenced the entire investigation!?
Polly we also know
Crystal did not pay child support for years
Crystal was facing a court hearing and possible jail time for failure to pay child support
Crystal admitted in her custody doc she had used drugs when pregnant for Jr
Crystal lied about not being served the court docs
Crystal lied in those court docs stating she had purchased a car and a home, obtained a mortgage, in her name
Crystal was arrested for giving a false statement to LE accusing a coworker of stealing her car.
Crystal was sharing a home with and had a child with a man who also had a drug problem and was prohibited access to his children for a couple of years.
Crystal did not immediately notify her own mother when her child was reported missing
Crystal did not rush to the scene when her child was reported missing.
Crystal had several accidents blamed on seizures which could have been caused by drugs/or lack of
Crystal lied about abuse photos in an attempt to defame Ron
Crystal lied to her own attorney.
Crystal lied to the public.
I could go on and on and on BUT bottom line is if people look for motive to HaLeigh’s being missing, there is far more motive on Crystal’s side of the family then on Ron’s side AND they should have been investigated and ALL given LDTs
Now if we can put all the BS and the lies and the circus on the back burner and concentrate on motive and opportunity, maybe we can figure out who took HaLeigh and where she is now.
I will keep everyone on here and the forum, updated to the findings and back up everything with proof and documents or I will not post it.
Haleigh and Haleigh alone is my only focus now.
Moreover, for all of you, who may think I am picking on their favorites in this,
I AM NOT!
My”friends” are not just looking at one family, all, everyone, from L.E. down to the mail carrier, bus driver will be looked into.
No rock will be left unturned!
THANK YOU, Lawshrink! That’s exactly what’s needed!
hangon:
I said before that I am not taking sides.
Any results from Crystal’s side such as polys should be publicized just as much as Misty’s were.
Keep in mind also that Ron has had charges against him dismissed as well.
I’m not talking about Ron putting a dead rat in the PCSO’s mailbox, what I’m trying to say is has he inquired of them how’s the search going? anything new? Has he been out himself looking?
Shawn Hornbeck’s parents did. They never gave up.
Asking LE how things are going is not a criminal offense.Finding Haleigh is their job, paid for by the citizens’ tax money.
Occam’s Razor
Lawshrink:
You are familar with Occam’s Razor?
Polly you mean
pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate?
THe Answer is YES.
Good morning all.
Jan Thank You for keeping up with these fools who are trying to bi-pass the bannings. And thank you for letting us know what names they keep using.
Polly why dont you ask Ms Neves what happened to her, how she was treated when she “inquired” with LE to how the case was going.
Or listen to the audio Cobra gave regarding how Ms Neves was treated when she went to LE asking for answers. So yes I can see the family not “asking” LE anything.
I feel the need to say something here.
IT doesn’t matter what anyone is doing, it doesn’t matter what drug who did or does, it doesn’t matter who is contributing to the circus that this case has become.
What matters is that we are now past the 10 month mark that this little girl has been missing and apparently LE is no closer to solving this case than they were when she first went missing.
I would hope that everyone is writing, emailing, calling people in charge asking that someone else take over this case, that the true facts be revealed and this case be solved by whatever means necessary.
IF you ignore the circus and don’t feed into it, it will move on to where someone will feed into it.
Sorry to keep going back to this but THIS CHILD DIDN’T HAVE A CHANCE. Makes me sick that people like this have kids and I know there are lots of them. Their little drug infested, armpit of the world, is just a little ripple in a big pond. As far as I’m concerned NEITHER parent was fit.
Polly, please see my post at 8:24 am this morning if you have not already. To that I’ll add that no matter who the parent is I do not think they should be out looking. The only place they could look would be where remains might be found. I would not want a parent to find that.
And if Ron did search like that I am sure that LE and a bunch of Ron-hating bloggers would find fault with it - accusing him of everything from trying to interfere with an investigation to trying to hide evidence. If Haleigh’s Dad was a devil or a saint I would not want him looking for all those reasons. It’s just not right (IMO)
And the law says…
Many of us have written and emailed officials from the Governor on down asking for others to step in and take over this investigation. We should continue to write and to insist on it!
All those emails and addresses are available on line. And we can include the State Attorney General, the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement and the FBI.
The old saying, “The squeaky wheel gets the attention” has some merit to it (sometimes).
Yes, Charlie, (Gov Crist) has been called; By another Higher up!
Yes, there are “Others” now in place to examine all the people there.
Do Drugs play a part? Drugs make people do things that are basically self centered based, So yes I do believe drugs make a huge different.
Especially Crack Cocaine, Google it, you will see it destroys people and families.
Why am I not surprised, what is wrong with parents drugs and children do not mix. It is time to put the children first.
Stop the abuse and murder of the children in the U.S.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/16/stop-the-abuse-and-murder-of-the-children-in-the-us
Hangon nov,16 11:15pm. I would like to let you know that Ron demanding free food from restaraunts and taking donation money from the jars are in fact true. When the incident happened in the store and Ron purchased beer, cigs and 50.00 in lottery tickets the elderly man behind him in line got very angry and stated he would never donate another dime. I do not believe Ron nor Crystal are innocent people as far as drug use goes. The only thing I can say to that is Crystal did admit drug use and Ron denied. I believe it should be court ordered for both Ron and Crystal to be randomly drug tested twice a month. Since neither of them work they should be able to go on a moments notice.
I do realize this a stressful time for them both and perhaps they may have been given meds to help with their distress, but that is no reason for them to abuse the meds to get a high.
These two as parents should have joined together in this search for their daughter. Let their own personal feelings about one another or their past feuds go for Haleighs sake.
I believe anyone that is on state aid be tested for drugs at a moments notice. There are cases where they buy food with there cards and exchange it for drugs and the kids go hungry.
Correct me if I’m wrong. But doesn’t Ron’s last employer (company) do random drug testing?
Not to sound like I am taking Crystals side but if the kids were at her house and she washed their clothes or sent home toys with them then she would be sending minute particals of DNA home with them also. How many times I find my daughters long blond hairs caught in the inside of my sweaters proves this. I am sure Mistys cleaning cant be that good.
looking for justice: I think Ron and Crystal started to sort of join forces or at least both of them supported the search/investigation without blaming each other etc UNTIL KP inserted her HUMONGOUS mouth! And I still wonder why? Who thought it was necessary to bring her in to PROTECT the Crystal side of the family and distract the investigation with all the custody carp?
Thank you Lawshrink, excellent news, praying Haleigh will be found safe and sound very, very soon.
tobias - the key word in your post at 10:44 is “IF” the kids were at her house etc. That did not happen very much unfortunately.
Or, maybe I should have said, “fortunately” - I don’t know. But it’s a moot (irrelevant) issue now.
looking — when that “rumor” was first posted the store was contacted. The clerk not only denied it happening but also stated they did not have any “donation” jugs in their store.
Ron denied he is using drugs, maybe because he isn’t. He never said he never used drugs. He has never failed a drug test by either DCF or his employer. That is very telling, to me.
You have to look at facts, not rumors that were thrown out on the net for a specific purpose by people with an agenda.
The Company Ron worked for does do drug testing, especially when you run heavy euipment.
Seems kind of funny how nothing bad was said about Ron until KP came along. Then that’s when the rumors (lies) began like wildfires in a forest.
And to add to my last post… At the same time the lies and BS was started about Ron,,,KP was hiding Crystal’s drug use and other things as well.
Why didn’t DCF step in when Chloe had a blood sample with drugs in it? They do that in this county and I live in Florida too
Lawdhrink, I have yet to figure out what DCF does or if it has any affect on anything at all in that community.
Lawshrink — there were rumors early on that Crystal was under DCF BUT that could not be validated.
If it is true that baby C had drugs in her system, it is mandatory that DCF be notified.
Polly said,in November 17th, 2009 at 9:11 am hangon:
I said before that I am not taking sides.
Any results from Crystal’s side such as polys should be publicized just as much as Misty’s were.
Keep in mind also that Ron has had charges against him dismissed as well.
I’m not talking about Ron putting a dead rat in the PCSO’s mailbox, what I’m trying to say is has he inquired of them how’s the search going? anything new? Has he been out himself looking?
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Ron has not been accused of putting a rat in the PCSO mailbox. Tommy Croslin said Ron put a rat in HIS mailbox. And all I can say about that is consider the source.
PAW69, your 10:54 and 10:56 post are correct. As a matter of fact they had complimentary things to say about each other before that time.
Paw69, You are correct his job was crane operator so the drug testing would be very stringant. Insurance companies dont want drug related injuries on the job site. The testing for most heavy machine operators is hair follicle, fingernail or blood testing. PDM bridge is a huge company I am sure they wouldnt want drug related injuries to impede their progress in the business world. My Company would manditory drug test for odd behavior and random testing otherwise. He wuold also have gone through a background check at his hiring time i.e and evaluated as to prior drug use.
Paw69, You are correct his job was crane operator so the drug testing would be very stringant. Insurance companies dont want drug related injuries on the job site. The testing for most heavy machine operators is hair follicle, fingernail or blood testing. PDM bridge is a huge company I am sure they wouldnt want drug related injuries to impede their progress in the business world. My Company would manditory drug test for odd behavior and random testing otherwise. He wuold also have gone through a background check at his hiring time i.e and evaluated as to prior drug use.
Lawshrink, thank you so much for your efforts!!!!
Paw69, you are correct. I am sure they also do background checks before hiring someone. Not just a pee test either, probably hair follicle or blood test. That test is almost always used for heavy equiptment operators.
I can conclude that everyone in both families are white trash. And that is on a good day. On a bad day, they are what is known as white trash! End of story.
Steve Rose??
Just putting this out here not looking to anger anyone but did anyone see the govener of North Carolina on TV saying that NC and other states are having problems with Child sex slavery? Why are we just now hearing this? Because the poor little girl was sold by her own mother and she paid the highest price. Is anyone looking for other little children that these groups may have taken? She would still be missing if the person at the motel had not reported that siteing.The mother would have appeared to be poor drug addict that was cleaning up her act and someone just came in and took her. Maybe she was asleep too.
Just Kidding,
We know the Policy in 99% of all L.E.
that blogging on a case your working on is a is a big NoNo.
Simon, I am behind you! Kim Picazzio was looking for Media Attention and she got it. She knew all along that Crystal was lying. Nancy Grace even called her out on it! Kim didn’t come accross as the brightest. She looked rather lost on all of it. It had nothing to do with Crystal, it was all about her! Lawyers are just media whores in general.
Secondly, I think Crystal is behind Haliegh’s dissapearance. I think Misty knows it, but can’t prove it. I think the cops know it too, but can’t quite get the drug taking freaks out there to admit anything. This is why they haven’t arrested anyone and why Misty and Ron and whoever else every one can think of to blame it on, are not suspects. It’s just going to take one slip up, that’s all.
It wouldnt be to far fetched to see this happening here with all the drug use among these people. Just finding out which one would be the problem, there are so many involved in drugs or with family member who do drugs. I am hoping this possibility is wrong. I hope she is alive and hidden somewhere by someone.
Hangon I know alot of people in Satsuma and all around Putnam County. I also know a couple of his co- workers. A person I know from there witnessed it for themselves. Ron is not very well liked. I do not post their personal thoughts or opinions. Although I know what is being stated that does not mean he is guilty of Haleighs disappearance. I do not know who is guilty. They all need to be investigated further. I will let you know LE was aware of his alleged drug use right from the beginning.
There are citizens there saying they do not trust their own LE. I have to believe for Haleighs sake that LE is doing all they can to find her and give the justice she deserves.
PAW see my post at 10:45 am - We are thinking along the same lines!
Now to figure out motive - entirely due to KP’s craving for the spotlight? Guided by Crystal’s family to cover her drug use? Or Guided by Crystal’s family to cover up something else?
Just some thoughts.
BBL! You all are on a roll!
Although, JenM - I don’t think Crystal herself has the brains to be behind it but I’m sure people close to her do.
Wow! Trying to read through all of the posts since last night. Some of them remind me of the disinformation used to impact public opinion in politics. The only agenda should be to find Haleigh, regardless of the character, or lack thereof, of her parents and family members. Therefore, much of the speculative information has to be taken with a grain of salt because it doesn’t bring us a bit closer to resolution.
Please press law enforcement to thoroughly investigate all of the parties and possibilities. Impartial investigation is the answer to those seeking justice for Haleigh.
Has anyone seen the movie “Gone Baby Gone”? Reminds me a lot of this case. I like to think this case may end the same way too. Eerily similar down to LE not seeming to investigate right. If you haven’t seen it, you should watch it.
JMO
U KNOW THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE A SITE TO COME TOGETHER AND BLOG ABOUT HALEIGH.AS JAN ALWAYS SAYS ALL R WELCOME JUST BE RESPECTFUL.
WHAT MAKES ONES THINK THEY RUN THIS SITE AND SENIORITY PLAYS A ROLE IN ANY OF THIS.I’VE BEEN BLOGGIN HERE AS LONG AS THE CASE ON HALEIGH CAME ABOUT BUT I DON’T THINK IT MAKES ME LOVE AND CARE FOR HALEIGH ANY MORE OR LESS THAN ANYONE ELSE.JUSTICE NEEDS TO BE SERVED.
THIS BABY IS MISSING AND AS WE ALL SAY SHE NEEDS TO COME HOME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER…IN THAT I SAY EGOS AND ATTITUDES NEED TO BE LEFT BEHIND THIS CASE IS TOO IMPORTANT.
AS I SAID B4 CRYSTAL AND RON NEVER GAVE THEIR CHILDREN A FAIR CHANCE AND THEY ARE BOTH AT FAULT FOR WHAT HAS HAPPEND.BTW WHERE’S MISTY???
Moral / Ethical Question for all of you here:
If you thought, a child, which had medical problems not being addressed by both parents, was in your mind being neglected by both parents and you believed both parents of that child were drug abusers.
Alternatively, that the Parents did not in “YOUR OPINION” give her a good home?
Would you think it was right or O.K. to
Take that child from her Parents?
Furthermore, do you think it would be ok that Law enforcement kept it on the down low because they had the same thoughts? Do you think that would be O.K. to deprive that little girl of the parents and little brother she had grown to love???
Art harris posted Misty back in satsuma . I also have been watching to see when and if her friend Melinda satmyer got bailed out of jail and someone bailed her out on the 16th, just a coinsidence? Maybe
Melinda is one of her friends from the drug bust gone bad, she was arrested on the 11th no one bailed her out which is odd for the revolving door down there.
Denise said,
in November 17th, 2009 at 1:09 am
Vaq, for the last time I will tell you that Cobra and TJ confirmed that Ron C did say that. Pretend they didn’t if you wish, but the truth is they did. If you want to hear Cobra and TJ say it, play the last two or three radio shows. Doesn’t matter to me, as it doesn’t have anything to do with finding Haleigh
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And who told them? Pirate or Marie or Kim? Yea, they are a bastion of truth, aren’t they?
hangnon said,
in November 17th, 2009 at 7:56 am
So basically we have a lawyer who lies, no big surprise there, that was her job.
We have an Emmy award winning “journalist” (and I do use that term loosely} who was hired and paid to sway the public perception of Crystal by trashing the father of a missing child. That was obvious from day one.
We have bloggers with an agenda, and their followers who preferred following like sheep rather then doing their own research for the truth.
We have the owner of a once prominent crime sleuthing website who not only allowed her members to trash the family of a missing child (Wouldnt Marc Klaas be so proud), but allowed her members to post information and accusations regarding a minor childs sexual assault, allowed her moderator, who is a representative of the website, form a personal relationship with KP, pass on false information, and take information from a private area of WS and share it with others to use for their own agenda.
And these are the ones that claimed to love HaLeigh and want justice for HaLeigh?
This has been a sad situation from the start. EVERYBODY needs to be investigated, and I mean really investigated, not just asked a few questions.
Where is HaLeigh? Who took her? Who has kept her hidden?
It is time for this baby to be brought home.
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Amen and well said and still Tricia hasn’t said a word about what TopGunner did.
PINKY32,
Misty is back in Satsuma. She appeared in Court yesterday and had the restraining order against Tommy dropped:
(These are the notations on the docket from yesterday and today ONLY):
2009-11-16 013.FAMILY COURT MINUTES
2009-11-16 014.ORDER DISSOLVING FINAL JUDGMENT OF INJUNCTION FOR
2009-11-16 PROTECTION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE - EAM
2009-11-16 FL:
2009-11-17 015.FAXED CONFIRMATION TO PCSO
As you can see, the RO is now dropped and if Misty chooses, she is free to move back in with Tommy, Lindsy and her parents.
HOWEVER, after Tommy’s last arrest, DCF was notified and I am assuming/hoping that they are investigating that home. I fail to see how they can squeeze one more person into a 2 bedroom mobile home when there is already 4 adults and 3 children living there.
I hope Misty will now return to TN with her grandmother where she will hopefully NOT be surrounded by drugs and maybe she can go to school or do something productive. As long as LE knows where she is and can contact her, being as far away from the Croslins can only benefit her, IMO.
Lawshrink said,
in November 17th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Good Morning, all, just kind of trying to read everyone’s comments, Wow!
Ok, had some “Friends” look into some issues that have bothered me. They have concluded that indeed Chrystal and her family has a little outside influence that is keeping her from trouble with many legal institutions; I am not speaking about KP. They are researching this farther.
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I believe there is a judge in Baker County named Griffis and also some in LE and of course Crystal’s uncles work for DOC and Johnny S is ex LE, so I have no doubt what you are saying is true. Why wasn’t Chad arrested for a crack pipe/crack in his pickup? Please keep investigating.
I can say at this point my feet are getting muddy, and I think is from the road.
Wink Wink.
No one is exempt from Justice NO ONE!
Lawshrink, Could you check up on Crystal’s high school b/f. The one she tried claiming was Haleigh’s father. Which we all know isn’t true.
I forgot his name. Sorry, I have a migraine today.
Robbie Middleton, Paw.
Hey does anyone know what happened to pickle? she used to post here as well as write here…Did she leave? Just curious is all. Hi pickles if your out there.
I hope I am not out of line in asking.
Why would misty drop the OFP against her brother? I thought she was afraid of him. Maybe she was just afraid of what he may say about her or tell what he knows about what really happened that evening of the 9th.Now that he has drug charges added to his list of charges, she isn’t concerned about his credibility anymore.
Lawshrink. I think if my child was being abused I would go underground with them AFTER trying all legal options.
My belief is that HaLeigh was not taken out of love or a need to protect her. I believe she was taken out of a deep hatred for Ron and a need to protect Crystal from going to jail.
Maybe Misty is staying with melinda since shes out of jail now. You would think Misty would stay in Tennessee . If she stayed there she wouldnt be in the medias eye and everyone in Florida would stare at her and she couldnt go out or go to dinner without everyone stareing at her. Isnt that why they got divorced? I would think her family would want her there and not drawing unwanted attention to an already troubled family.
Pickles, got married, is a mom, is going to school, and life is consuming her every hour, so she doesn’t have time to blog right now.
Methinks, Pickles is married and going to school now. Between that and her kids, She’s a very busy woman. I do know she misses everyone though. As we miss her too.
Art harris just posted that misty is free to go home . The restraining order is dropped.
Lawshrink: About your ethical question. Who would be taking the child where?
I mean DCF can do that if they want to and put the child in foster care. But I don’t think that’s what you mean.
If anything, if it came down to Ron being unfit, TN would probably go for custody of Jr. And even Haleigh since there is nothing that says she’s deceased.
hey jan hes back someone get this guy blocked
Jan, could you please remove this childish innapropriate name and comment, please. TIA
Harry you do know she is only 17 perv
Skywise. You once posted to m2c that you previously knew Joe Pytko and called him “credible” Even as far as saying something to the effect ” if he said it happened then it really happened” Can you tell everyone how you know him. The post was from sept 24th - WSKY excl. - Joe in jail letter ID’d - Haleigh OD’d
Sorry I was away from my PC and didn’t see the idiot. He likes to play his little games. I ban him and he keeps coming back using other IP’s as well.
I honestly don’t know how to stop them YET but we are working on it.
It is so childish to play those games especially when such a serious topic is being discussed.
Once again I anm sorry I didn’t catch it sooner.
Take care everyone and God Bless!
Jan Barrett
It’s okay Jan. Thank You so much. We can’t expect you to be on here 24/7. It’s all godd.
*good.
Ignore him, the best cure!!!
Mel22, Could you expand a little more on your post. I’m confused by it. Sorry.
Where else was Misty going to go? I think that the only reason the Order of Protection was in fact issued, was at Ron’s insistance.
And although it IS just a rumor… why did it come out about Ronnie dating someone else at the very time Misty was expected back??
I am in NO CAMP here… so I will say… is it a possibility that Crystals side, is @ the heart of that rumor??
Cent, It is a huge possibility. In fact, I would put it past them to say that. Just like they’ve started all the other rumors.
Hello all! I am relatively new to posting, although I have been following this site and others for some time. I am aware that the drugs of choice for the parties involved revolve mostly around pot and pills. I was curious, though, has anyone heard rumblings about these “morphine pops” and any connection to this?
Mystery,
morphine pops came up sometime ago…. with WBG.
Theory: Haleigh OD’s as stated by Joe Pytjo ; She pees on the blanket shes wrapped in (release of bodily fluids after death) ; naynays car is used (by WB and few others) to take her body to be dumped but gets stuck ; they now go back to chads party house to get another vehicle to pull naynays car out ; Her cousin Joe O. is there at the party with the blue van he “took” from Chelsea in crescent City ; They use the van but gets scratched and a broken headlight back in the woods but manage to get the other car out ( Amber now tries to coverup with detergent in trunk) ; Joe O. Now an accomplice to coverup drives van back to crescent city but parks in wrong spot and chelsea notices (leaves immediately the next day) ; meanwhile, after being dropped off by JoeO., misty is propping open the door to make look an abduction; she also tries to launder the peed blanket and is making up story as to why ; tries to shift blame to chelsea by saying” YOU didnt scratch MY van did you , CHelsea ; ” NO, Misty , I did not scratch YOUR van” ; Now her simple 17 yr. old mind is stuck on trying to account for those blankets ” THEY” (the unknown abductors) took when they “TOOK” the van.
If I’ve gotten all the clues correctly about our unwelcome visitor, and adding in the time of day, I’d say he just got home from middle school, wouldn’t you? Hasn’t started his video games yet! LOL! (What do you think - 13 yrs old probably?)
But you are right. Ignoring him is best.
In other words Everyone can plainly see her mind was, is , and has since been stuck on trying to account for peed on and other blankets.. thats only real details she gives , so therefore can plainly see theres something traumatic in her mind about those blankets and she is stuck on trying to insist about them to keep her story covered
If you get a chance watch the video of the stress poly again. Its odd how excited she gets when shes telling how Joe left that day she knocks the mic over and after that shes all giddy and laughing asking if thats all they want to know. Does anyone find this odd? has anyone researched munchhausen syndrom? Thats my next step research
***Please do not get upset at my wording!!!***
For the record, I DO believe that Ron, Misty, Crystal have NOT harmed HaLeigh… DIRECTLY
I don’t see Crystal or family spiriting the baby away because of child support. How are/were they going to explain her live/dead reappearance??
I don’t see the WBG party angle either. Simply because Jr. would have probably told daddy. Not to mention that, that would be way too many mouths to keep shut!
paw, i’m just trying to understand why the credibility and plainly sworn affidavit of JOE Pytko is POO POO’d
Tobias, i know you watch those police logs like a hawk. Remember when the raid happened? Do you think LE used tape to pick up hair evidence from haleigh or Jr, to see if they were there at any time. Don’t you think that would be damning ecidence if found? Thanks for instant updates on those in jail.
Cent- I’m not on the “party” train either. I agree with your post.
no doesnt fit sorry
cent. I dont think the mouths have been shut. I just think everyone is not reading between the lines. You have Joe Pytko saying misty was gone that night, Her brother tommy stating she wasnt there, and an unknown waitress telling Tim M she knows where this party was. 3 witnesses but POO POO’d again as usual. No druggies are gonna be considered “credible” so if 10 of them said the same thing they would still be POO POO’d . If they wait for any ” credible” sources from that town then they might as well give up now and say there putting it into cold case. And that will be the last i say POO POO’d bcuz that 13 yr. old might get excited by what I’m trying to get at here. illl just say wash under the rug from now on.
Tobias. Im amazed you dont agree even slightly since it was you who posted about the party house members being brought in within hours of them being logged. I thought you were up on the party house theory from before. I guess not!
ok well whats y’alls theories so i can get on track with ya. I’m confused now!
That would be a good question but I have no clue. I am sure if LE thought that would be posibility I am sure they would do it. That raid was several months after the fact so it probably would be mute point? My question is on Monday Jr. sure did sleep alot dont you think. Slept sunday night woke up had breakfast drove Haliegh to School then went to sleep with Ron and Misty until Haliegh got home went to bed again at 8. Thats just pure nonsense if you ask anyone who has kids that age. You are lucky if they take a full hour nap at around noon.
Mel,
I am not discounting what you have said. I always feel that there IS some truth to every situation. I think there was a party, if Misty was there, I don’t know. I do believe that Tommy went to the MH, and she wasn’t there.
For me, them being druggies adds some value to their claims. They are in the know, in the trenches.
I just don’t feel that the WBG, NayNay thing is what took place.
cent, could’ve been amber brooks who was really there with naynays borrowed car. That may explain why she ( NAYNAY)says to her BF in the jailhouse latter about HIM knowing she was with him and trying to coroborrate. bcuz maybe she really was. ANYway, whats yout theories?Like to hear where each person main focus is.
Unless I have missed something we don’t even know if there was a party that night or that Joe ever said that. We got that info from the letter NayNay wrote claiming she was told that during questioning. We don’t know if NayNay was telling the truth and if she was, LE may have told her that as a bluff. To me there are too many IF’s in that theory to even speculate about it. To me this is chasing one more rabbit trail. The more rabbit trails LE goes down the longer they don’t investigate the entire crew starting with Crystal’s side. I say her side because that is the side that has been the least looked at. How many of these rumors and “tips” have been for the only purpose to keep anyone from looking at Crystal’s family????? JMO Treece
Here’s another thing to ponder. Even though the familes involved have not been honest, and been doing some covering, there are others, close to the case, that are in the “know”. What the hell would be their motive for not revealing all.
As far as I can see, they are NO better than the families…. if not worse!!!!!
I am curious why no one has talked to Amber Brooks. Wasnt it said that they had to pull Misty and her apart during a fight that week end. Misty also told a lie to Ron before she went to party about being pregnant, why would she do that? Maybe to see how he would react and he didnt react like she thought. Why would she tell Nay Nay that, maybe so she’d tell Amber? Sorry just my mind wondering around…
Treece, are you saying there was no sworn affidavit that made police question her. You may be right about them not realeasing it but would she be smart enough to makle up that she was questioned about a sworn affidavit? Anyway, I’m all for looking at Crystals side too. There are a great many possibilities. I’m in no way trying to sideline the possibility in fact i’d like to hear yout take on how or why they may have taken her. Peace Treece!
Treece,@ 4:27
I can agree that, that side was NOT looked at very well. The letter read to me like some other coded message. I don’t buy NayNays involvement, she may know more of course.
I just think that for every claim, rumor, etc.. there is some truth.
Treece, I think they should look at everyone of them . They have had 9 months on the one side of the family and as far as we know havent gotten far. Time to look into the other side. But dont leave the others alone either,who knows what they could get into when you arent watching…. Misty must have missed the attention cause she came back, no one said she had to….
I wondered about the pregnancy claim.. I also think that was a ploy of some kind, some childish attempt to either get Ronnie under her thumb, or to piss AB off.. Anyhow it backfired on her. Unless her motive for telling him that was to pick a fight and get thrown out so she could party.
Anyways, it makes my head hurt to think about it.
Just to get back to the party theory for one small second. Are we all assuming there could not have been a Monday night party after the weekend party trot. When druggies have no jobs they can easily party everday of the week, especially if a bunch of guys are hanging out watching MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL and partying and talking to chics.( NOT trying to call the ladies here CHICS, just trying to get you to understand a guys mentality and point of view. JOe does not say which day the party happened. Infact we already heard naynat say the weekend party was at some hispanics house, so Chads party would be a different party dont you think ? Possibly the next day on monday night! Your Thoughts!?
mel, I am saying there may not have been an affidavit, LE could have just told NayNay that trying to pull info from her or some one else in jail could have told her that. Her letter sounded too rehearsed to me. It is not that I necessarily think Crystals side has Haleigh, even tho I wish they did, because Haliegh would be alive. It is just her side has been so protected from being investigated. I personally think if Ron had a cover up going he would not have divorced Misty. I think if the drug crew knew someone would have come forward for $$. I think someone could have done it to keep Crystal from having to go to court the next day just to buy time. Maybe buy time to give her a chance for drugs to clear her system or buy time to work out something on all the CS she owed to keep her from doing time. I think KimP coming into this scene totally changed the way it was investigated to the negative. mel that is just my opinion, and peace to you too.
and Tobias, you’re right, after 10 months i’m sure there wouldnt be much hair evidence, although hair evidence is tough to clean up. Ever have a dog. That can take forever to get every hair. But i’m sure these rough dudes probably never cleaned up or vaccuumed before.
Mel,
I don’t think folks are saying that the party didn’t happen. It very well could have carried over. I think it’s the way the info was presented.
who is the Lindsey, Nay Nay says is the prostitute that was with them. Was she real heavy into the prostitution thing and maybe told someone about how Misty was watching the kids that night. Well my head is spinning with theories so its time to give it a rest bye all.
Get what youre saying treece, Crystals side was definitely protected from being looked at. I think all sides and all theories need to be scrutinized a bit extra here.
cent, I agree the letter could have been coded, trying to get a message out.
If I were guessing why an immature 17 year old would tell a guy she was pg it would be hoping he would marry her.
tobias, I agree ride everyone until you get some answers. I am just saying focus on Crystals side right now because it hasn’t been looked at much at all.
Treece,
Exactly… the letter just didn’t read right, reminding your bf you were with him ??
The pregnancy had to be a ploy of some kind. And yes, I would lean towards wanting to get married.
Why didn’t Ron or Misty get questioned about that when they were on TV??
Yes, There was another Lindsey that was a prostitute who went to the hispanics party for prostitution. Wonder if LE questioned her about her knowings. NayNay clearly ( sorry, not so clearly) states her name in a video interview about the party separate from Chads party that Joe Pytko talks about and probably on a different night after tha weekend.
Crystal would have motive, to get that overburdened child support dropped but picazio states in the BAR file that they did not work with her to get that dropped. They were more concerned with custody and wouldn’t go get the doctors forms to lower support. Custody and support are two different issues to the court. I’m not saying I trust Picazio at all, but i’d think if she was in the wrong she would’ve lost and probably had everything receipted and accounted for unlike Crystal and therefore won.
Mel,
Yes, custody and support are different things to the courts. I just don’t see how any of them, they would be able to explain HaLeighs re-appearance.
As far as KP… well, just because you win a judgement DOES NOT make what you have/haven’t done RIGHT!!!
Exactly, cent.. therefore my theory lies at the party house. I was just trying to be nice to Treeces point of view bcuz theres always a possibility
You know I might as well get the rest of it out!!!
Why is AH met with so much disdain, when clearly there are others that have flip flopped, weeble wobbled, and skipped all the way around… when it suited their NEEDS and AGENDAS.
All I am saying is… call all of ‘em to sit in the first pew!!!!
Just because LE told Nay Nay that they had a sworn statement from psycho Joe does not mean there actually is one. LE can and do lie in an attempt to get information.
If Misty took those children to a party, Jr would have told. He was nearly 4 years old and knows how to talk.
Clearly all of the key players involved in this tragedy are COMPLETE LOSERS. My question is, “Is there any news regarding the ongoing search/recovery of Haleigh ?”
I don’t know why no one has stepped up with information and tried to claim the reward money.
This is why I think Misty was at home, well one of the reasons.
Ron’s shift was from 4:30 to 3 BUT he sometimes came home early. Now Misty did not answer her phone after 10 at all. If she is out of the house with or without the children and does not answer her phone how would she know if Ron was getting off early from work or not?
If she was not home she would have definitely been answering the phone just to make sure Ron would not get off early and find her not at home with or without his children. She isn’t the brightest bulb in the pack but she isnt that dumb not to answer her phone.
Hangon,
Agree it would dumb NOT to answer the phone if you DID NOT know his schedule.
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should say would BE dumb
I guess from TJs article the police dont have a reaction to whether there is a real sworn affidavit or not , in fact the officer says theyre not going to talk about it so i won’t anymore either. but its odd they were draining a pond prior to nannay expressing it.
I personally think he worked the nornmal 8 hours and only went home early if not working overtime so she would have until midnight to keep the phone off.
what is the normal 8 hour shift at pdm anyway? and how long was normal overtime schedule until?
mel22 — psycho joe may have told LE that there was a party, etc, but may not have given a sworn statement, more like a tip.
If he did give a sworn statement and LE knows it was a false statement he should have been arrested. If he just gave a tip and it was false, nothing LE could do to him.
Normal shift was 4:30 to 3 with a half hour for lunch. Shift would end early sometimes if the work was completed before 3.
If she left after the grand ma was there at 7 or 730, she would have till 12 or 1230 to get back. Ron worked 3 hours over his regular expected time. I dont think she knew this unless he told her during the call he made at 830 when they argued. I still think its odd how rj slept alot on Monday. Also everyone saying how exhausted Misty was but if she went to bed at 10 and woke up at 3 thats only 5 hours thats not exhausted. Nay Nay said she went to Lyndsys after she dropped misty off on sunday and crashed until monday at 4 thats exhausted….
if she knew the normal 8 hour schedule lasted until midnight(for example) she might know she’ll be okay to party until then, then get home.
I think the pond draining was NOT for a body.
Don’t know a great deal about his work hrs/overtime. I guess LE is satisfied with his stated schedule.
OK
I never said Ron put a rat in the sheriff’s mailbox, I was being cute, my bad.
Secondly, ask Lawshrink to explain Occam’s Razor to y’all.
Thirdly, None of these so-called adults seem interested in finding this child? Why? Because they already know what happened.
My Words, My Opinion only.
Don’t forget three separate cadaver dog teams hit on that dumpster.
I dont think she ever went to bed on that night,was she home I dont know but alot of people are saying no. Not just her brother, why would they say this , who knows but the LE are wise to it. How do you instantly wake up just minutes before Ron gets home too.
Polly,
I am not getting defensive and probably should just ignore your 2nd point, but why come @ us like that?
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Good one Polly,
I am here taking notes you all. Keep talking, We need all the tib bits.
hangon, ok thanks for the info on the schedule. I also have information for you as well to clear things up. The guys name is Joe Pytko. the name psycho was alleged from naynays bad handwriting. Joe Pytko was already in jail on charges when he gave the statement so they wouldn’t arrest him if he’s already there. I would think if he gave any infomation they would want it writing for a state prosecutor to use in trial at a later date and wouldn’t release that to the public to keep it admissable. anyway , thanks for the info . the More we clear up things to each other the more truth we speak to each other in solving the case. Thanks and I’m assuming the normal shift is 10 paid hours then.
Cent ?
Yes mel22, I was told Ron’s normal shift was 10 hours.
Cent—– I don’t think Polly was being derogative, or mean.
I thought he only found out after misty turned off her phone he was going to work late?
And all of you have great minds and theories; keep using your thought to help uncover what we are missing.
It can be done.
I read somewhere that a barge was late getting in and he had to stay and unload it.
Lawshrink,
I have always found Polly to be one of the goodies here… that is why I ? the comment. But if you take into consideration all we have posted and the lenght of time we have been doing so, it can easily be taken as being mean.
Cent, that is true, and There are trolls out therem coping others usernames
Anyhoo… we all must move on to what really matters.
I still would like someones opinion on papa’s email.. the comment I believe is from KP regarding HaLeighs last moments.
Just to clear something up. I beleive it was mistys cousin joe overstreet that had the nickname PSYCHO , so when the jail letter got out everyone assumed from naynays bad handwriting that it was Joe Psycho but was later ID’d as Joe Pytko. Simon has an archived article from sept 24th labeled WSKY excusive- Joe in jail letterID’d, Haleigh OD’d if ya want to check it out. At the bottom of that thread one of the posters here named Skywise mentions that they previously knbew this guy and calls him” credible”. Check it out. I hope skywise can get back to us on that.
I also think whoever put that cinder block on the ramp had to have known where they were before that night, who searches at night in the dark for cinder blocks {that are way over by a shed}. Maybe LEs thoughts too. I think they just need one little slip to catch whoever did this. Also ask yourself why is it that snodgrass is still running around and hasnt been to court for what he did along time ago. why hasnt he been prosecuted for that crime he comitted on those 2 little girls?
cent , im not up on those e-mails exchanged by KP so i’ll refrain from that topic now so just ignore my threads for awhile while I go off on a different tangent with some other posters. hope you understand. I’ll read your posts and get better acquabted with that topic tomorrow, but I would like to talk with some others still for now on a different subject. Thanks
Mel,
No problem.
Tobias, Yeah , whats up with with 2 years without going to court yet. Must have good lawyers. Even Casey Anthony made it two years and shes about 99.999% guilty.
hey cent , be glad to look into that topic if I had links to those e-mails but I have no clue where to look
everyone needs to really watch taking bloggers word for the truth . Go back and check out all the video footage and reputable reporting before you take it as the truth. I have found this to cut some of the confussion down, dont trust what you read unless it comes from a reputable source.As in sources that are known and who would be in trouble if they said untruthful things.
mel22….why would anyone believe jailbird joe pytko? He’s a criminal. Same with Tommy…a junkie probably trying to cover his own involvement. And why believe some junkie that an alcoholic claims he met in a bar? Junkies lie and can’t be trusted!
Mel,
What I am talking about is from Kim Picazio 180 thread. Just curious of this.
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In closing, since you seem fond of posting Kim Picazio’s words to me, let me give you a few from a couple of weeks ago:
“Some people on the Internet have lost their direction – completely. Who stole whose photos, or called the other one a name, or impersonated someone else, is IRRELEVANT when you think of whatever pain or fear Haleigh must have felt in those final moments. I think of that all the time. Haleigh’s final moments. Was she conscious, was she hurt, crying, cold, fighting back, struggling to live?”
Think about it. You and I aren’t important. This little girl is the only thing that matters in this case.
I am sure LE knows when a junkie is lying and telling the truth. Shoot these junkies are in and out of that jail on a regular basis. They have a revolving door down there, its like when Ottis the town drunk locked himself up on andy from mayberry. lol
Thanks guys and dolls for the posts. I’ve been busy and trying to catch up. Lawshrink, I pray that if it’s true what you are posting, and I don’t doubt you, I just beg sincerely for integrity and truth to prevail in everyones actions. We’ve had enough of the rig a ma row. Haleigh’s case has been terribly harmed by several who started it, then it piliferated into more lies, catching and gaining momentum as people read, posted and gossiped.
Kim Picazio, I have no problem with defending and making yourself and clients look good, but what you have openly and secretly done, admittedly towards Ron and his family, are in my mind criminal and immoral. He is a victim, not an object to destroy, make look bad, hit the internet circuit, swamp emails and campaigns. You can clear this up, and you should. You should not rest til you have righted the wrong in this case you have left lingering in the wake of your deeds. Having not read the pdf files to date due to my computer, the copied snippets being provided are enough in itself to see what’s happened. Please, use your resources and reach out to the public, Ron and family of Haleigh to fix what you are able. It’s not too late. Then leave Haleigh’s case alone. Real women show mercy and integrity, and are still able to maintain a professional career.
Finally, the dark underbelly of the net and it’s participants are being revealed, shameful. Good honest caring citizens have been harmed for 9 months, they deserve better.
Let’s work together, post responsibly, offer kindness, in this we will be showing Haleigh how much she means to us.
I continue to pray for the authorities to act with wisdom, understanding with a heart for justice full of love and compassion for Haleigh and her family.
This case needs a new beginning, start fresh, forgive and move forward. It can be done, things are unraveling, and we need to neatly wind it back up tightly and stop the destruction in it’s rolling path. I have Faith in the goodness of mankind, let your lights shine for good concerning Haleigh Cummings.
Sorry cent,
I wasn’t trying to be mean or insulting. I’m getting so frustrated that all we seem to be doing is going round and round. Like I just posted on the other blog (Tommy Croslin in jail again), no matter what anyone comments, somebody else comes back with an insult or accusation about taking sides, they’ve seemed to forget the whole issue.I’ve been trying to go back and look at archives to glean a little of what LE has acknowledged, but I can’t do it all myself.
Occam’s Razor states that the simplest explanation is often the best.
That was just the end of the post.. I didn’t copy the entire thing. As far as anyone trying to understand why I’m asking about this… Please certainly go read the whole post to see if it has value or not.
cent you forgot about finding the killer or abducter as being important
Polly,
I hear you… and like I said, I believe you to be a goodie here. No hard feelings from me.
NO Tobias… that is not me saying that… it’s from Papa’s post on the KP 180 thread!!!
Enjoying reading the many thoughtful posts. Just want to mention in the vein of Occam’s Razor, that too many “ifs” are an indication that a theory needs clarifying or “occamizing.” Too many suppositions lead to “ifs”.
sorry cent
Kool Look,
You All have my word and my colleges’ word, No circus, no media, no fan fair. Just finding Haleigh and bringing her home.
Tobias @6:42
No prob… I probably should have pasted the entire post so there would be no confusion.
Opps, sorry for the typo’s to much coffee
Hope it gets done soon. Find the needle in the haystack please for Halieghs sake and the people who truely love her. If this were my child and all this craziness was going on I think I would just give up living. Especially if I thought there would never be an answer.
Good night everyone and I hope we wake up to the answer.
You have my word and my colleagues word, No circus, no media, no fan fair. Just finding Haleigh and bringing her home.
Sorry Im back to just let you know . Check out art harris the bald truth Misty is back and he has some interesting things to say.
Tobias,
I saw that earlier…. Misty seems to have made a career out of BABYSITTING !!!
I have to say it its too easy why in your right mind would you let your kids around someone with so many problems and with the possibilty of weirdo people wanting to get at her? Wouldnt want her anywhere near my kids guilty or not.
Just the facts, folks.
And it is a fact that cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster.
It is a fact that Misty failed her polys.
Feel free to run with this.
And as I’ve said before Jax4 has some excellent raw footage of the events from the beginning.
It is a fact that there is a conservation area off Buffalo Bluff Road.
goodnight all, I love reading all of your posts and hope we can all find peace soon…when haleigh is found. God bless
And thank you, GrammieM
polly, There are a lot of facts out there. On all of the people involved in this its just mind boggling. Why is it that the only poly we are seeing is Mistys and trust me she is at the top of my list but you do have to wonder, why would she do this knowing she would fail? Did she really think she would pass? I think she got cornered into a lie and couldnt risk having her only supporters backing away from her. I am sure she lied her way out of it somehow because Ron and everyone said they still believed her. I do believe she is the key now just find the lock and you have it…
That’s why I think we need to just post the facts, not hearsay, and see where the facts lead us. This will not be easy. Also if one of the key players has stated something, on record, please post the quotation with a link and date if possible. This is the only way to cut through all the BS.
When I look at motives I see:
1) An accident at Misty’s hands (less likely Ron’s)
2) Intentional: At Misty’s hands but why? Perhaps the mistaken assumption that if Haleigh wasn’t around, then Ron would marry her to have another child?
3) Money: Who had the most at stake? Crystal.
Unfortunately, we don’t have hardly any facts or info from Crystal’s side of the family.
I am not saying Crystal did it. It’s possible that Crystal doesn’t even know about this (who’d trust her drug addled mind to keep the secret anyway)?
And I’m not trying to convince anyone of this theory. I’d just like to take a look at it.
Crystal was so far behind in custody payments that she faced a hearing and possibly jail and a lifetime of debt given her earning power. (Is there any property in her name that could have been taken and sold by the court to cover the back payments? Family property perhaps that another family member would not want to see lost?)
Did she have a b/f at that time? He and/or other family members might have wanted to kill two birds with one stone so to speak by taking Haleigh, thereby showing what a bad Dad Ron was, and by default getting custody of Jr. Or, by then Crystal was with another guy already and having another baby so maybe that person didn’t care if Jr stayed with Ron – he’s somebody else’s son (a “mini Ron”) and could stay right where he was.
They might have lucked out with the lady from Texas who paid for the back custody OR maybe she’s connected to whoever ended up with Haleigh.
And what judge is going to put the grieving mom of a missing child in jail? The main point of the whole thing would have been to get Crystal out of the custody payments and keep her out of jail (and make Ron look bad).
So Haleigh could be with “good” people- who have adopted her or who will drop her by the side of the road to be found some day (far away from where she’s being kept). Or Haleigh might not have been given/sold to “good” people. That’s the worse scenario.
Just some thoughts.
mel22
Lindsey is not a prostitue,she’s 17 and has bad drug problems,is in and out of rehab and juvy.LE has questioned her.If she did anything,it was whatever NayNay was doing and it was for drugs.
That’s prostitute,typed too fast.
Actually,she just turned 18.
WinterRose, withgout trying too sound harsh. Going to a house with a group of men to get paid to do sexual acts for money or drugs is the definition of prostitute. Naynay even says so in the interview ,what her friend was going there to do and talks about splitting the money. I just can’t pretend to be blind anymore to spare a few bloggers feelings . I know what I heard and I know the source. Just bcuz shes 17 doesnt mean she couldnt be doing that, whether by choice or by force. It is what it is. Prostitution happens at young ages. She doesn’t have to be 18 to sell herself. She made her choice. She is what she is and I have no respect for prostitutes. They put themselves there. Period
True,but NayNay would be doing the same thing as Lindsey and I don’t believe a word out of NayNay’s mouth.I’ve just followed Lindsey’s myspace for awhile,always broke,homeless,no parent supervision,lives off friends.In and out of juvy,drug rehab.And after all the myspaces of family members from both sides,names are different,lifestyles the same.
I agree Winterose..
Also, the thought that Misty Ron Chad or Crystal had anything to do with this is pretty well unbeliveable, as well as the thought that any of them know anything more than what they have told….
It is pretty unlikley that any of them cud have pulled off a crime where they cud have outsmarted LE for this long..
The thought that an accident happened isnt consistent with who Misty has been portrayed of.. she wid have calle for help, not moatter where she was ot who she was with…Her character isnt conieving the way KC’s is.
Also, there wud have had to be ppl who wud have helped and there is no way anyone wud have kept quiet for this long..
Hopefully LE will stop using these victims for an excuse as to why theyare sitting on their duffs biding time….
I’m concerned about what was said while Misty was out for those three days.I mean to whom,looking at people like Shaniya’s pig mother and lowlife McNeill,these were the kind of drug and prostitute people at these parties they went to.
hangnon said,in November 17th, 2009 at 2:16 pm Lawshrink. I think if my child was being abused I would go underground with them AFTER trying all legal options.
My belief is that HaLeigh was not taken out of love or a need to protect her. I believe she was taken out of a deep hatred for Ron and a need to protect Crystal from going to jail.
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I agree 100%…………FBI please investigate, Johnny (Marty) Sheffield, Sarah Sheffield, Connie Sheffield, Jeremiah Regan (proof of him being in contact with all parties as of 2/12/09 is on national TV video…again as of 2/12/09, NOT mid March as he claims) also add Marcus Sheffield to the list and Chad Griffis…………investigate the ‘other’ side please!!!!! If JR told you it was March before he became invloved, he’s lying, check your local TV stations, they have telling videos by date.
By Steve Sbraccia, NBC17
Several people who were close to 5-year-old Shaniya Davis and her father Brad Lockhart say they tried to intervene in the child’s life because they felt the little girl was at risk.
A close friend of Brad’s, and his ex-father-in-law both say they offered to take in Shaniya rather than let her live with her mother, because they say when the child was in the custody of her mother, bad things happened to her.
“My wife says she saw cigarette burns on Shaniya’s arms,” said Brad’s friend Tim Allen, who says he is very angry over what happened.
Byron Coleman, Brad’s ex-father-in-law, said Shaniya “had burns on her legs, arms and things” after visits with her mother.
“She had a cigarette burn on the corner of her eye, which she claimed her grandma did when she went over there,” added Shaniya’s half sister Cheyenne Lockhart.
I hear all the time” no way anyone could’ve kept quiet this long” and yet my response is. You’re right, someone didnt keep quiet. His names is Joe Pytko. I don’t think anyone would listen if he puked it in your face. Do you really think one of the main players possibly facing charges are going to be the one to say it. Criminals cover their crime. Witnesses inform on crime. But as usual , swept under the rug, but then in the same breath wonder why LE isnt following on any leads. You couldn’t get a bigger lead than that.
The three all claimed that the 5-year-old suffered physical abuse while in the custody of her mother.
“When you wanted sex that’s where you went,” Coleman said. “You knew what the girl was doing. You knew what she associated with, so why place your daughter in that situation?”
Because of that, Coleman blames Lockhart for Shaniya’s death.
“To me Shaniya would be alive today if she wasn’t placed in that situation,” Coleman claims.
Coleman says he offered to give Shaniya a home, but says Brad declined his offer.
Allen tells a similar story.
“He had an alternative, I gave him a way out,” Allen explained; however Lockhart would not let Allen take care of Shaniya.
“I’m fighting mad. All this could have been avoided,” Allen said.
Allen had already taken in Shaniya’s half sister Cheyenne, because she said her dad wouldn’t take care of her.
And Cheyenne says Brad did not provide for Shaniya.”He didn’t take care of her, his girlfriends took care of her,” she said. “He loved her, but she was raised by other people. He hasn’t been in her life.”
Ok I’mm frustrated and rather than going off on anyone I’m just gonna ghost. Forget i said anything WinterRose wasnt trying to start anything.
No,Mel,I agree with you,all three of that bunch probably got thier drugs that way.I just think that alot of people didn’t realize she was so young or had been talked to by LE.
Lawshrink said,in November 17th, 2009 at 9:01 am Moreover, for all of you, who may think I am picking on their favorites in this,
I AM NOT!
My”friends” are not just looking at one family, all, everyone, from L.E. down to the mail carrier, bus driver will be looked into.
No rock will be left unturned!
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God bless you and your friends…………please find Haleigh and bring her home.
Thank you Lawshrink
Yeah okidoke, todays the first day I posted to the board directly to people ,rather than in genereal so I won’t post directly to anyone anymore. I’ll just leave general comments from now on and remove myself that way. I don’t want to get in any direct exchange. Bloggings easier that way I think. So long.
Because of that, Coleman blames Lockhart for Shaniya’s death.
“To me Shaniya would be alive today if she wasn’t placed in that situation,” Coleman claims.
Coleman says he offered to give Shaniya a home, but says Brad declined his offer.
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OMG WinterRose, is this true? Neither parent wanted this beautiful little baby girl?
Okay.
It’s those darn meteor showers,I know it.
Noreen,
This is the most heart rendering thing.I tried to post the link to the video of the interview.I don’t think links can be posted directly.
Mel22….I’m unsure what’s upset you, regardless, please stay and speak your mind…..we’re all here trying to find Haleigh, there can and will be differences of opinions at times, but for the most part, we respect each other’s opinion.
Please stay and share your opinion and theories. You never know, your theory may just lead us all to the truth, and bring little Haleigh home.
WinterRose said,in November 18th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Noreen,
This is the most heart rendering thing.I tried to post the link to the video of the interview.I don’t think links can be posted directly.
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WR, try again tomorrow, I think Jan has to actually approve each link, I’m not sure though!
I believe you though, I just feel so sick by this revelation, a beautiful 5 year old girl literally tossed away like garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What kind of world are we living in, what have we become? This is heartbreaking.
Okay,sorry,I was going to break up the link,but I’ll wait,don’t want to get in trouble.EEK!You can just put in google Byron Coleman and Shaniya and it will probably give you the interview and article.
winterrose the news you posted about what happened to shaniya is absolutely devastating. there were other options, and he didn’t take them. this was about ego? or a.d. talked b.l. into this?
i just cannot imagine how the people who love shaniya are going to be able to deal with this.
(i tried twice to post with link - so tomorrow there will probably be three - sorry)
“Some Claim Shaniya Davis Was At Risk And Needed A Better Home” By Steve Sbraccia, NBC17
i think this is the video winterrose.
I know all those family members,siblings,school friends,all these kids taken,it’s all so heartbreaking and affects so many people.
Good Early Morn to all;
First off I’d like to applaud Lawshrink for thier efforts toward getting further investigation into this case. I live in Okaloosa County FL where just months ago our County Sherriff Chalie Morris, was indicted on LE bonuses & Kick-back schemes. I have lived here for more than 20 yrs and have seen sooo much corruption it is literally frightening. You learn quick to steer clear or you will find yourself in a very bad situation. Think William “Cobra” Staubbs. There needs to be a thorough and complete investigation of all parties.
I noticed this comment and it reminded me of something that has been bothering me for quite a while.
Lawshrink said,in November 17th, 2009 at 12:00 pm Just Kidding,
We know the Policy in 99% of all L.E.
that blogging on a case your working on is a is a big NoNo.
Lawshrink,
Would that also include Yuri Melich, Lead Investigator on the Caylee Anthony case? I have myself seen many post by or about Yuri’s apearances at WebSleuths DURING the initial investigation? He not only posted he also allowed members of the site to post questions that he then answered.
Polly said,in November 17th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
I’ve been trying to go back and look at archives to glean a little of what LE has acknowledged, but I can’t do it all myself.
Polly, I have been trying to work on that myself. I have been posting “invitations” for all commentors to join the forum and help build a database of information on this case. Some have jumped in to help, but we need more work on it. I have recently gotten internet back at home so I will be able to contribute more now then ever. Please, won’t you join us in our efforts? Join at the top of the page, just click on the link labeled forum. You will have to register, but it only takes a day or so to be admitted. We already have a few links started there.
1) Actual & Factual: Only direct statements from any/all players, LE statements to the press, court documents, maps, schedules,and any other verifiable documentation. (Lots more needed)
2) Media: This will house any/all media related to the case. (Would love to have a brief synopsis of each video/article for quick reference)
3) I have also recommended a rumor thread for the unverified information/accusations as they may have future relevance.
I DO believe this case will come to a trial and I would like to have this information to reference. Lawshrink, I will work to build it towards helping achieve the goal of thorough investigation of Haleigh’s case.
As per reports on Shaniya’s Father’s allowing her to re-enter an abusive home and/or prostitutes (mother) home it made me wonder something. He admits that she was concieved during a one-night-stand. Would that include a paid visit to her mother? It does not change my feelings toward Shaniya at all, just that it might play a factor in her murder. Meaning IF he knew for sure she was prostituting, why would he ever allow her to go there? A mother who “tutes” will usually force thier child(ren) to do the same. They justified it for themselves and have no problem justifing using thier child for same.
Sorry so long-winded, as usual. lol
Hi Hollys Gmom:
I guess I missed the conversation regarding why you need to add “aka ex-WS” to your name. Aren’t you the same HollysGmom who’s been here a while?
If so, then to me you don’t need the aka part.
The msm report I read stated that Shaniya’s dad said her mother had just gotten a regular job and the dad thought it would be okay for Shaniya to live with her for a while. She had only been with her mother a month before this happened.
Also I realize that druggies, prostitutes (and please don’t forget the dealers, PIMPS and JOHNS!) are at the bottom of the barrel of so-called ‘humanity” but I have to balk at such generalizations as “A mother who “tutes” will usually force thier child(ren) to do the same. They justified it for themselves and have no problem justifing using thier child…”
That just isn’t true. I don’t know if there are statistics but plenty of “tutes” as you call them and “strippers” (for all those who think Ron’s dating one) really love their kids. They don’t pimp out their kids or sell them as sex slaves, come on!
There are, unfortunately truly SICKO, drug-whacked, selfish, uncaring people like Shaniya’s mother in ALL walks of life!
The reason I strongly object to generalizing is because it wrongly blames everyone in certain groups while allowing others to escape unnoticed.
That’s a very dangerous thing to do IMO.
I think we saw how “dangerous” having a rumor thread can be as exhibited by what happened on WS.
The facts are few BUT there are things that are just common sense if people really think about things. Like the “rumor” that Ron had sent Jr to the door to get Baby J so that Ron could “take” Baby J. Now come on, let’s face it, that was so far over the top, and yet people believed it and some even reported on it.
I could go on with the “rumors” but I won’t since this is not the place to do that. I will just say that although the facts are few, that if people put their heads together and think, really think, starting with motive, then maybe we can make a difference and HaLeigh will be found.
I also posted this on the last “Kim Picazio” article in response to your comment there HollysGmom but I want to be sure you and others see it. I am perplexed and somewhat offended by what you wrote there.
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My post to you:Hollys Gmom - There were already plenty of people here at BNN who were not Ron-haters and who lobbied for a broader investigation INCLUDING one into Crystal’s side of the family.
WE were happy to see you come here and as far as I know, we did not care where you came from or why.
I can’t imagine what you mean by “WELCOME to the new posters and to the “refugees” comming in from other forums. I have anticipated this happening and have been trying to help ready the BNN forum for your arrival.”
Gosh it sounds like a line from a bad sci-fi movie - Alien on earth beams message to spaceship: “WELCOME! Fellow Pluto-ites! I have readied Earth for your arrival!” LOL!
Holly’s gmom - BNN was always welcomed people with open minds. Way before you got here. That’s how and why you got here and were welcomed and are still here. Please, I really don’t want to continue thinking of you with a metal bowl on your head with two antennae sticking out of it!
Just join in like you have been and others will too. I just don’t “get” this “brave explorer prepares new territory for refugees” image of yourself. Perhaps - and hopefully - I am misunderstanding you.
hangnon - I think you’ll agree that there is a huge difference between rumors and theories. Especially theories that are not shoved down peoples’ throats as “fact” but just as possibilities to consider.
I have not seen many theories about how/why someone on Crystal’s side could be responsible which surprises me considering the recent revelations (i.e. Bar complaint etc).
Gosh knows we have dozens of theories regarding everyone else and people they know so I came up with some ideas - just to throw into the mix -NOT to try to convince anyone of - just to consider. If interested please see my post at 11:02 pm last night. Just food for thought.
http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog/view/what_the_media_wont_tell_you_about_child_prostitution
http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog/view/man_sells_foster_daughter_into_prostitution
m2c — definitely a big difference between theory and “rumor”. I think everybody, and I mean everybody, involved in any way in HaLeigh’s life should have been thoroughly researched and investigated and LDT given, from the start.
Some things just do not make sense when you really think about them, like Misty not answering her phone if she was not at home. I think, having been 17 at one time, and having raised 6 children through that age, that it would be much more believable that Misty was not home IF she had answered the phone.
Just an example.
m2c with all due respect must you comment on everything all the time?If you don’t like someones post can’t you just move on ,sometimes?Makes me afraid to post I may get ATTACKED….
m2c, I recommended if some that posted at other sites felt they wanted to keep hat names clear, this would be one way. Thus why it’s in my hat nic here aka. Some user names are so similar, or the same names different posters, it really does get confusing, at least for me. Hope it’s ok.
Thank you, hangnon!
I guess I can see it both ways as far as Misty and the phone calls. I can see a teen (or anyone really) so very PO’d at someone that they refuse to answer their calls for a good while. “That’ll show him!” Or “Let him worry!” kind of thing.
And I can see, if she was at a party or with people she wasn’t supposed to be with, she might not answer for fear that Ron would hear those people (music, noise). Or, if she left the MH she may have left the cell behind by accident.
One thing I think we are lacking, I believe, is concrete information on the calls that night. Has LE released any of that info? Who called who? From where? How many times? etc?
I’ve “heard” that Ron’s MH did not have a land line and that the 911 call was made from a cell but do we know whose cell (for sure) and where was the other one? (Misty’s and Rons).
Do we know for a fact that Ron called Tommy’s and/or whether Tommy called him back?
I may have missed it but I’ve just seen speculation but no real data. Have you?
Pinkey, I don’t know what post you are talking about. Please specify. And I have posted even recently in response to some of your posts where I agree and then where I disagree. Sorry if you feel attacked. That is NOT attacking. That’s discussing.
And THANK YOU Kool Look! I try very hard to read every single post but I did not see the one you wrote about people showing all their hats. I never even gave that issue a thought - or thought of it as an issue! LOL! Seeing it by itself with HollysGmom - who has been here a long time and whose posts I have truly appreciated - just struck me weird. Especially in conjunction with the “I have landed! Safe to follow” message which I just didn’t (still don’t) understand!
I think Misty, or any teen, would be more afraid at being caught out of the house when they are supposed to be at home, so they would be more likely to answer the phone. I am sure Misty would be afraid, had she not answered the phone, that Ron might come home to check on her and the children, or he might get off work early, as sometimes happened. I think she would have answered the phone and “acted” like she was at home, if indeed she was not at home.
My understanding is one phone call was made from Ron to Tommy’s home just before 10. During the 10:00 hour (which is between 10 and 11) Tommy went to the MH. There was no phone call reported by LE or Tommy back from Tommy to Ron, which makes me believe that Ron did call Tommy just to see if MIsty was there and NOT to have Tommy go check on her.
The times have changed depending on who Tommy was talking to BUT TJ was told by LE that Tommy went to the MH in the 10:00 hour which fits with the time I have been told by another source.
Hangnon, thank you so much, you are correct. No rumor thread. It will be nothing but trouble. We’ve had criminal cases for years, and only til Haleigh’s case have I seen rumor threads allowed and I have felt since coming back to Haleigh’s case, the rumors/innuendos and gossip is what ruined this case on the net and in real time in this case.
I’ve never seen you before til here, and you got a few mentions, hehehe I’ve seen, but haven’t we all? We seem to have our own following, good and bad, eh? LOL I’m so glad I rightfully make my own decisions concerning people and their character and not just follow anothers post concerning another.
m2c, you are correct, big difference in theory versus rumor. Theories is the backbone of internet on line arm chair sleuthing. It’s what’s helped in solving and finding some missing victims. I’ve seen several cases, based on theories. We need them, but rumors will be what drives people apart.
Isn’t it interesting as you mentioned not having seen many theories based on Crystal and her side of the family as the possible ones involved. I don’t find it odd, I noticed it quickly, and now we have court documents depicting the underlying secret reasons why. Then those willingly jumped in and believed what some posted without verifying through good decent sources.
Pinkey, I understand how you feel. Please don’t leave, or I will too. Mc2 seems like a passionate caring person so far, and I know sometimes I get a little wound tight, especially with what the last few days have uncovered. If I get carried away, anyone is welcome to remind me of what my purpose is here. I am glad we have each other, we can bring the best out of ourselves. Each posters opinion is important, I’ll try my best to be kind. Hugs
Okay, Pinkey, NOW you can feel attacked if you want to because I’ve just reviewed my posts on this thread and am even more hurt and befuddled by your nasty and unfounded accusations.
@ 8:17 am you said to me: ” must you comment on everything all the time?If you don’t like someones post can’t you just move on ,sometimes?Makes me afraid to post I may get ATTACKED….”
Yesterday @ 12:29 I agreed with PAW and told everyone they were “on a roll” with their discussions! Before that were a couple of simple statements - not responses to anyone’s posts. My next post was at 3:37 joking about the juvenile unwelcome visitor that Jan keeps banning. A new poster named “my two cents” posted (that is NOT me) and “cent” posted (and I am not her either). Then my last post was at 11:02 pm where I explained a possible theory.
I have no idea why you accuse me of always responding to people’s posts (obviously I don’t) or always attacking people. Maybe I should ask you why you are always on my back?
Ok m2c The statement I made about anticipating thier arrival was due to the remarks myself and others had made about WS and other forums wherein they were attacked for not agreeing with the Ron Haters. I anticipated their need to find a better forum and had hoped this one would be it. Also I had been explaining how myself and a few others have been trying to compile a database of verified information on this case. In other words, I was saying in hopes that more people would come here for good solid information we had been working on this database. Does one have to be psychic or crazy to anticipate someone or something? That’s pretty harsh, don’t you think?
“metal bowl on your head with two antennae sticking out of it!” This seems to be a rather personal attack.
I never implied or meant to imply that I am a
“brave explorer prepares new territory for refugees” nor do I have that image of myself. I was only trying to welcome the newcommers and to also make those who have left other forums due to what I consider abuse, feel wlecomed here in what I had been thinking of as a safer, nicer environment. Boy, guess I was wrong on that one! The refugees comment was directed at a post that had named themselves a refugee and since my own WS fiasco I too felt like a refugee when I came here. That’s all. Maybe I should just spell all of that out instead of assuming all the posts have been read (since I took the time to do so) and would be understood without full disclosure. But then again you know what they say about people who assume. They make an ass-U & Me. Sorry for any confusion.
m2c, I believe a few posters, wanted to clarify who they were, ex: cent, my2cents, my20cents, a poster wanted others to know it wasn’t them, as one apparently was using a similar name a few days ago making disagreeing posts with others. No one has to add aka to their user names. I haven’t had a user screen name problem, but some have.
Some also just want others to know upfront they are one in the same, to have credit for their posts throughout the net. Hope I clarified, I’m not feeling on my toes today, life I have two left feet. Hugs
hangnon! Great! Thanks! I agree with the reasons why Misty would or would not answer. One possible conclusion is that she WAS home! Just pulling the old “I’m not talking to you!” hissy fit. But not afraid that he’d look for her because she was where she was supposed to be - at home. (Just one interpretation).
About Ron calling Tommy. Since Tommy did not call Ron back, would Ron have assumed all was well? And - if I understand correctly - why wouldn’t Ron expect Tommy to go over there to check on her? Maybe Ron thought that Misty would answer a call from Tommy while not answering calls from him?
I still think Tommy probably went over there but if he did I really would like to know what he found - if anything. Did he get in? Did no one answer the door? If not was Misty sleeping or not there? I have not heard the end of that story (not from LE anyway) have you?
Holly’s Bless your heart. I’m sorry to hear your story, hope we can be friends. I’ve never seen any of your posts at ws, so don’t know you, but wanted to let you know I care.
I’m definately here because of the atmosphere. I refuse to be mistreated. Like I said in an earlier post, many have been hurt by the actions of Kim P. and her gang. And it was a gang mentality. I don’t hold one certain person accountable for others deeds, as some take things to the extremes, but it should have never been instigated to start with. I hold each person accountable for their own posts and the words therein that were made to belittle and twist the thoughts of innocent posters without agendas.
M2C
While your “metal bowl on your head with two antennae sticking out of it!” comment stung a little, I do have to admit I did let out a little chuckle at your desription. LOL
Well I guess we all have to admit that m2c is very descriptive, lol
laughs and hugs everyone, I want to get along and make friends. we have enough enemies in this world against our children, mothers, fathers and families.
Kool Look
Thank you for your comment. It is much appreciated. I too hope to be friends.
I, like most here, just want to help find Haleigh. I don’t want personal recognition for any efforts or outcomes. Just one more little girl to be brought home safe and sound. Ok sorry I really mean I want 1 more little girl to be found alive. As to the brought home part, I just don’t think either home is a good idea considering all that is comming to light on both sides and I do mean verifiable information from LE, Social Workers, and the like. Am I alone in that thought? Were Haleigh to be found alive and well today….would any of us be comfortable with her being returned to Ron or even Crystal considering thier current and past actions and decisions? I for one would not rest assured.
m2c, i liked what you said about not generalizing about people.
mel22 said “She is what she is and I have no respect for prostitutes. They put themselves there. Period”
i am respectfully disagreeing. prostitutes are made not born. and some studies show many prostitutes are victims of incest, sexual abuse, abuse, poverty, homelessness, drug addiction, lack of job skills, lack selfworth. since so many prostitutes are underage and cannot have available to them the choices of legal adults, it is at least in part, not always a matter of choice.
Prostitution of children - aritcle on wiki
“One third of street-level prostitutes in the U.S. are under 18 years old while fifty percent of off-street prostitutes are less than 18 years old.[4] Off-street prostitution includes massage parlors, strip clubs, and escort services. According to Estes and Weiner, 12 to 14 is the average age of entry into prostitution for girls under 17 years old in the United States while the average age of entry into prostitution is between 11 and 13.[4]”
i quickly glanced at a few other articles to see if this was similiar info and it was.
Haleigh went missing from RC’s house where he was having sex with an underage child on a three day drug and sex binge. There are men in prison serving time for being a S/O like RC.He does drugs and just worked at PDM a short time but yet he always had cash on hand. HMMmmmmm cash on hand…drug addict.cash….wonder how he worked that out…DUH
Crystal is no angel with her drug use but she didn’t lose Haleigh…RON DID. Ron is GUILTY of a lot of things. He’s plain rotten. It makes me sad because of his poor choices time and time again. You will all see what I’m talking about when and if anyone is charged. I don’t wish bad thoughts on anyone but facts are facts and most people here aren’t going by them. Crystal is awful for exposing her unborn child to drugs. YES! Her not paying child support….ROTTEN. Yes! Drug addiction sucks as I am one..though it was 13years that I used. Drugs TRUMP everything else. Remove the drugs from this equation on both sides. What do you have left? All of RC’s bullcrap.. I know everyone has a opinion and this is mine. There’s no reason to be hateful….but RC is responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh. NG doesn’t even want RC or his mother on the show anymore. They show too much deception..Greta and Foxnews showed RC deceptions also in a video on youtube. Go watch it. LE is not looking at Crystal. They are looking at Misty…remember the child who RC was having illegal sex with? On the Today show look at that youtube. Misty looks like RC’s daughter. Do you people not see the sickness in that? For the ones that are going to bring up Crystal with her half/brother..it is weird but not against the law. You people that think RC’s is so great must approve of sex offenders and it really makes me sick being a mother and grandmother. I myself want s/o taken off the streets and put away forever. I wish every parent would protect their children from these perverts. I pray this to God!
Hollys Gmom - I do try to read all the posts -especially about Haleigh. Some of the ones I skip over are about other blogs and blog wars and stuff. So for either or both reasons I did not see any discussion about WS.
When you came here I accepted you fully. I did not require a resume from you or any information about you. I accepted you as you wanted to present yourself here. I don’t care where else you used to or still post. The same goes for everyone else who comes here - except those who are obviously here to cause trouble and you were never like that.
I have to admit that I did take some offense at your post because it implied that YOU have made this a safe place to be for open-minded people.
There are people who have been here for a much longer time than you have - myself included - who have endured a GREAT DEAL and stuck it out - to make it that way.
I’m sorry but your post just struck me sideways. That is one of the problems with blogging and with communicating in writing. Sometimes the background and/or intent are not understood.
I do appreciate the work that you, Karon Cox and Polly and others have done to put facts on the forum. I think that’s great. I’ve said so.
Kool Look: As far as “aka’s” helping when people come here with same or similar nics as those who are already here, I’m not sure that’s always going to help.
I started here as “My two cents.” Who would know if I was the same person or not if I added “aka Mars blog?” They could still think it’s the old my two cents.
I left several posts for the new “my two cents” and got no response. So I left another and got stomped on. That person claims to have been all over the web with that name and yet takes offense when informed that someone here had that name. That should not have come as a surprise.
I just wanted to clarify - for her - and for others who is who. There was no need for her attitude. I don’t want that name, I was just letting her know it had been used here and people might confuse her with me. And she needs to know that because quite a few of the people who have been banned from here hate me -so if she finds herself attacked that could be why.
Also if the “new” My two cents” had put “aka www” after her name it would not have helped. People could think I’d been all over the web when I’ve just been here all along (and changed my name to m2c).
I understand what you are saying. I too sometimes get slung sideways by comments, possibly without the authors intent to do so.
Also I just wanted everyone to know that I only use Hollys Gmom, here or elsewhere. Previously at WS but now mostly here.
klynn, I do not think anyone here approves of SO. No one thinks it is cool that Ron was sleeping with a 17 year old. HOWEVER, it does not even compare to the sexual abuse that has just happened with Shaniya. Misty was a willing participant. The fact that she was living with Ron should have been an issue with her parents and LE before Haleigh went missing. To make a mountain out of that now is useless and has absolutely no impact on finding Haleigh. Let’s just play like she was 18, what does that change? Nothing. JMO
Klynn
While I still like to think I am undecided about who is at fault or who is guilty of Haleigh’s disappearance, I whole-heartedly agree with you on the Ron being a pedophile. Lets do some math. Ron and Misty were dating/living together for 6 months prior to Haleigh’s disappearance. Misty turns 18 in December 09. Haleigh disappeared in Feb 09. Misty was barely 17 when Haleigh disappeared (2-3 months since 17th Bday) That means that Ronald Cummings a 24 yr old man had ongoing sexual relations with a 16 yr old for 3 months until she turned 17. That is the very definition of a pedophile, is it not? 24 with a 16 yr old is ILLEGAL and he should have been charged IMMEDIATELY!!!! Not told to marry her and it all would go away. Look how he’s treated her. She may not be the greatest but she was used, abused, then cast aside with no where to turn after her usefullness to him had ended.
It is fine with me if anyone wants to put aka in their name. As M2c has made clear it has not value to the BNN bloggers. However, for one’s that come here from other blogs that know you by your aka that is a great benefit for them to realize who they are talking with. AKA hurts nothing, aka away. Treece
hello Kool Look,
i don’t post a lot, i cannot keep-up. but, i value reading everyone’s points of view. thanks for the “lets make friends” attitude. i read this blog, because there are good people here. ms.p.
klynn - I know you are a refugee from the RSO site and now hiding in a “checkered” private forum of Ron haters. So, now that we have that out of the way we can understand your fanatical on-sided “perspective” and “discuss” your post.
First, we do not KNOW that “Crystal didn’t lose Haleigh.” By being an absentee, uncaring Mom she is responsible too.
Do you blame the parent(s) of every missing child? If so, I sure hope you are handcuffed to your own kids 24/7. And as far as “facts” you don’t have any. You do NOT know that Ron was doing drugs, he may have been tested at PDM. He had jobs before PDM. He was feeding, clothing, housing and caring for his two children with absolutely NO help from their bio-mom. Maybe he did not do that as well as you would like but I wonder if there would have been any difference whatsoever in their care -for the better anyway -if they’d been with Crystal? If Ron is responsible in the way that you suggest so is Crystal. Where was she as far as her children were concerned? Totally negligent - in every way - time, attention, care, financial support.
Not finding Ron equal to Lucifer does not mean we find him to be “such a great guy!” Obviously he’s not. And if you want him taken off the streets forever, then I’d like to see both him AND Crystal have the appropriate operations to prevent both of them from having any more children. Ever!
As far as “sickness,” I’m sorry to say that what shows the most in your posts is your own sickness and hatred.
It is possible that Ron may be directly involved BUT here we require proof not prejudice and conjecture. Go back to your checkered hideyhole where your fellow Ron-haters will cheer you - and stay there PLEASE.
Pinkey32/HUMBLED said,in November 18th, 2009 at 8:17 am
please don’t stop posting. i always read your posts. you have compassion for haleigh and junior. ms.p.
Standard work hours for Rons shift is based on a 45 hour work week 3:30pm - 2:00am Mon thru Thur and Friday 3:30pm - 8:30pm. You can verify by going to PDM.com and click under employment. It has been reported that Rons work hours for that day was to be 4:00pm - 12:00am but he voluntarily worked over until 3:00 am, but the Pastor told media that Ron said he worked a normal eight hour day and came home to find his child gone. This is the very same Pastor that Teresa Neves told media that Ron was with all day and having a bad day when he got caught in Pinellas County getting his tattoo of Haleigh on his leg. We never heard from the Pastor on Rons behalf again after that. Now I am sure LE has checked and what their findings were they were satisfied with so they stated.
They have not been able to ping Mistys phone from after 8:30pm - 3:00am until she turned it back on to call Ron and 911 to report Haleigh missing.
According to Lisa Croslin, Misty and Ron wanted to get married,but they refused to sign and told her she had to wait until she was 18. IF this is true I am not sure why Misty told Ron she was pg even though she was’nt.I am thinking they were already having serious problems prior to her 3 day binder after he threw her out with her clothes.
HEY HOLLYSGMOM SOOOO GOOD TO C U!!!
KOOL LOOK I DON’T PLAN TO LEAVE.
M2C I WASN’T GETTING NASTY, R U OK???WHAT I SAID IS MY OPINION WHICH I STARTED W/ RESPECT.ALL IM SAYING IS YOU COMMENT ON EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME AND SOMETIME NOT SO NICE….AND IM NOT DISCUSSING THIS W/ U ANYMORE.THANX VERY MUCH.
It is a cold morning here today. We may all be a little oversensitive or overly annoyed this morning. If we could all just take a deep breath and chill a minute we will probably all feel better. Things just aren’t right here this morning, on some things we just have to agree to disagree and give each other freedom to have opposite opinions. Treece
Hey Pinkey/humbled
How are you? I haven’t had as much online time as I usually have had until yesterday. I hope all is well. PM me with an update. I sometimes seem to forget that I can not only recieve PMs from members but I can also send one.
Hello everyone,just stopped by,to say I understand the frustration,over Little Haliegh not being found.My heart has been heavy for this child.I worried if the murder of the little child found in the landfill 50 miles from Satsuma.Could it be a pedifile that has been active for a while,an could he/she be involved in Halieghs dissaperence also.I belive she was taken by a SO on that night/morning.I also call into question,the Putumn co.drug force,if they even have one.Seem that county,is full of drugs.an no report of Major drug bust, that I have read.I Know how drugs destroy lived,i have helped many who wanted help,get off them.So its a choice,an those who need help can get it.However some drugs,have such strong with drawl symptoms such a Oxys .I suggest someone to see a person withdrawing trough the course.Many will return to use,even when desiring to be off,because it is relief they are seeking.I know Lawyers try to paint clients in a good light for the public eye.We have seen defence do this in Caylees murder,with Casey.But anything hidden,always comes to the light.I am disccouraged that hospital didnt make Crystal get help,an drug treatment,with her child having drugs in her system.A woman at the beach,got 25 yrs for this,child died.Id have compassion/an im sure hind sights 20/20…but seems money at Haliegh bug foundation,started problems. Every one wants to be the head.An you cant have everyone handling the pot,so to say. Greed,control,caused that confusion Seems the BIO moms dad has his head on straight. Ronald must have proven in court that he was a better provider,at the time.Men rarly get children,over their mothers. My heart hurts for Teresa,deep gutted sobbs.Its just a horror,any way you look at it.I pray one day Halieghs found,however. ALIVE WOULD BE WONDERFUL,BUT THE ONLY REASON LITTLE ONEs ARE TAKEN,IF BIO MOM,OR DAD DOESNT DO IT.Is for sexual reasons,which death follows.I just think they need closure.An to find the perp. It seems to me this child was taken from this county.All need to stop fighting(familys)an put their heads together,an call a search of other co.s Remember the man who took the child with everyone sleeping from her bed/she was found in a plastic bag buried.search pedifils,yards,under homes.who knows.SHAME THERES NO LEADS,BUT IT HAPPENS THAT WAY-I SAID SHE PROBABLY WILL BE FOUND BY A HUNTER ONE DAY,IN THE WOODS SOMEWHERE.WE HAD A 2 YR OLD MURDERED 8 YRS AGO,ITS DEVISTATING TO ALL INVOLVED. God Bless all,an i hope Halieghs found,An please all in the familys,stop fighting,an pointing fingers at each other.It most likly a strange who was watching the home,Rons work patterns,an who was with the little one he lusted after/he got his chance,as many have before an shes gone.My advice is Pray for God to reveal,where when,who,exc.The anwser may come faster/if they stop the infighting!!!!!!
Good Morning Jan
I too think that the finger pointing is counter productive to finding Haleigh. I suppose that there are only 2 possible senarios on that. 1) a family or families will make a UNITED effort or 2) they will fight,point fingers, insinuate, ect and the effort is weak and divided. If any of the family members involved read this. Please take it to heart. Ponder this:
If you all put your differences aside and made the united effort to find Haleigh AND you were successfull in your efforts, would it be worth it to you to do so?
Pinkey @ 10:09 -
I really do object to false accusations made by someone who apparently refuses to read my response or look at the facts.
I do not comment on everything all the time! Yesterday, for example, I posted exactly three times between noon and this morning. One was a joke, one was a theory (stand-alone; not in response to anything) and once to applaud folks for being “on a roll” with their discussion.
I’m sorry if sometimes my post seems to be not nice. Sometimes it is not intended to sound that way. Sometimes I have no intention of “being nice” especially to haters and troublemakers who come in here. I do not apologize for that.
Klynn, I’m going to add that YES Crystal did LOSE Haleigh. She lost custody of her because she didn’t care about her enough to make it to the court hearings.
As far as Misty And Ron go and this pedophile ordeal, This is how I see it with these 2, She was 17 and willing to lay down with him. She was old enough to make that decision. Obviously her parents didn’t care enough about her either to allow her to lay down with Ron.
Isn’t there WOMEN in that town???
Oh, wow I was going to go back and make a list of the child sex trafficing links I had posted but realized they had been removed. (Sorry Jan) Of course I now wish I had kept a list of them because I wanted to share that information with others. It seems the only way to stop this from happening is continued awareness on the topic. I should have posted inside the forum, maybe. I’ll go look for it again later as it has been a long night. LOL
Also I now see what people mean when they say that they have gotten confused as to which post they had posted on which article. OOOps!
PAW69
If it’s ok for a 17 yr old to decide to “lay down” with a grown man then why do we have laws against it? I do not mean this as a personal attack, truely. I do understand where you are comming from since I once was a 17 yr old who often decided to date or lay down with grown me as well as have had a 17 yr old daughter who preffered “older men” (she was 14 when they startyed dating, he was 16+. They continued dating until she was 17 & he was 20) We didn’t press charges on him nor did we demand that they stop seeing each other. Although we have know parents to do so until the daughter reached majority. We also did not press charges on her current boyfriend when they started dating while she was 17 and he is 24 (although we had considered it)due to the fact that she was already considered an emancipated adult due to being a mother herself. (Thus Hollys Gmom)
Part of the problem lies in that at the 5 yr age gap it is so easy for these men to prey upon these teenaged girls, to sway thier thinking, to out wit and lie to them that it is an unfair advantage. Like the situation Misty found herself in recently. Male uses her, technically abuses her, then leaves her often with life in shambles as he loafs off to find another victim/teenaged girlfriend.
hello looking for justice,
looking for justice said,in November 18th, 2009 at 10:08 am
i thought one of the questions about misty is when she realized haleigh was gone that morning, she called timmy and her mom instead of the police. then ron?
How far will Websleuths go to destroy the father of a missing child? The e mails below prove that a moderator at Websleuths is giving private information to the lawyer for the missing child’s mother. This moderator sent that lawyer posts from a private social group that supports the father . She also instructed posters to discredit one of the most respected members at Websleuths who only wants to help the father of a missing child find his heart.
The owner of Websleuths supports this moderator. Read her posts in the rumor thread from the night of November 17.
http://duplicityatws.wordpress.com/
I hope Ron sues Websleuths and that moderator.
I have not heard of even one person who thinks it was okay for Ron to be shacking up with Misty when she was 16 or 17. Has anyone heard that opinion yet?
Wasn’t Crystal also underage when she hooked up with Ron?
Are there other underage girls in that area who are currently living with an older man?
It seems like a way of life there. It seems like the parents think it’s “okay” or at least don’t do anything about it.
It looks like Misty’s parents gave up on her long before she even dropped out of school after 6th grade. But that’s no excuse. Aren’t there other resources like DCF and LE who should help “control” out of control teens AND who should lock up the men who do this?
I feel like LE knows this goes on and turns a blind eye because it is a way of life there. Or maybe there’s some other reason. I guess they’re too busy arresting small time drug users - that’s all I see them doing.
WHen it cam to the public’s attention that Misty was 16/17 and living with Ron, I think LE might have arrested Ron just out of embarrassment that they hadn’t done so before. BUT, at that time he was the father of a missing little girl. So I think that saved him. (or maybe there are other reasons?)
I just hope that all of this has enlightened both parents and LE all over that this cannot be tolerated. Both need to step up to the plate and see that the right thing is done.
HGm I agree @ 9:58 and Treece @ 9:51 and THANK YOU, HGm for 9:51 am.
Hollys Gmom, I never said it was okay. I said Misty was willing. And that she is old enough to make that decision. Meaning, By the age of 17 people really do know right from wrong at this point in their life. I truly feel that Ron and Misty aren’t the only ones living life this way in that town.
I hope Ron Cummings sues this website! I can’t believe they let this happen
duplicityatws.wordpress
add the dot com to make the link work
hello hollys gmom,
i just looked up the age of consent. if ron was 23 when he first was with misty it would be legal. do you know his age for sure?
if she was my daughter i would not have allowed her near a man in his twenties. but, i believe hank threw her out of the house. so maybe living on her own makes a difference legally. in u.s. age of consent is 16, 17, or 18 depending on state.
The age of consent in Florida is 18, but close in age exemptions exist. By law, the exception permits a person 23 years of age or younger to engage in legal sexual activity with a minor aged 16 or 17. this is from wiki page
hollys gmom, your last paragraph. it is not an equal relationship is it? when one is an adult and one is a teen. so much easier to manipulate. sounds like your daughter had/has a support system. if misty was kicked out, her power was even less in her relationship with a adult man. all apart of this mess if you ask me. ms.p.
Most states have the age of consent for sex to be 16. While I dont agree that Ron should have even had Misty in his life much less let her move in with him, unless somebody actually caught them in the act of having sex, or she became pregnant with his child, there really is no “proof” that they engaged in sex and thus committed a crime.
Now we can speculate all we want that they were having sex, BUT the laws do not work on speculation, they work on proof and evidence. That is why Ron was never charged.
We also need to remember that it is very common in rural areas for older men to be with younger women. We know it is prevalent in Putnam county.
Heck Nay Nay’s baby daddy was in his 40’s when he was bedding Nay Nay at the age of 15/16 and yet Putnam courts gave him custody of their child.
Now to me, a man in his 40’s bedding a teen and impregnating her, IS a pedophile.
PAW69
I agree. I’m sure it’s pretty rampant there, as it is here just a few counties away.
Also I do also agree that Misty was willing but statutory rape laws state that under 18 is not able or lawfull to give consent to sex, especially with an adult. I remember being told at that same age that even IF I had given my consent, was a willing participant, and/or the instigator of said sex act it was against the law and if charges were pressed, arrests made, court convened, and I told the judge on the witness stand that I had in effect raped him, he would still be convicted. In most cases I would agree that over 16 should be age of consent except for the fact that mental manipulations are so easy at that stage of development. Physically, yes they may be able to handle it but mentally and emotionally they need to be protected. The reason I feel so strongly in the Cummings case is due to his already being a father of 2, if not 3 children to mothers who also were under the age of consent while with him. To me, he’s more likened to a divorceed man much older than his yrs. Even though he tchnically never married until Misty, he lived with and concieved children with 2 other women prior to dating Misty.
Sorry if I misunderstood your previous post.
ms.peridot19, you are correct about Misty calling her mom. I was just referencing the phone pings could not be attained due to the fact her phone was off. According to Misty she called Ron first but he did not answer. Ron arrived home and then she calls 911 after Ron telling her to.
I thought Ron & Crystal are the same age am I mistaken about that??
Isn’t Ron And Crystal the same age if not close to the same age? And Amber is close to the same age too isn’t she? I could have swore they were.
As for Misty and Ron, I think they are just barely within legal terms of the age deal.
hangnon,
i really do agree with you about the nay nay situation.
i wonder if it was ever considered an issue that he impregnated such a young woman at his age, in getting custody of their child. it probably is a case of what are the alternatives. i hope he was at least evaluated.
it would be helpful to have a reasonable age of consent that is consistant across the country.
hangnon
I totally agree with your statement about Nay Nay’s baby daddy. I think even in my county or neighboring counties he would have been arrested at the birth. It has happened. Very often a teenaged mother has this added fear in addition to facing the birth and all that entails.
As far as speculation goes, I would think a pregnancy test (even falsified) would be proof of sexual intercourse. How could Misty possibly believe that Ron would agree that her supposed fetus belonged to him, had they not been intimate? Also I forget the name of the law, but it concerns the first person a “victim” tells about the abuse being able to testify in court to the validity of the charge. Under that law Misty’s telling others she thought she was pg by Ron, whether truthfull or not, would be evidence of sexual intercourse. I could be wrong though. Also I know of a young man 24 who was “dating” and/or sleeping with a 14 yr old. Even though I never actually saw the having sex, they both told me about it, they both proudly displayed hickeys, and was obvious to many that they were indeed seually active together. Just from this information alone I could have him pciked up, investigated, and possibly even charged. What people seem to forget in these cases, myself included, is that you don’t have to be a parent to inform police or ask for charges to be pressed. It only takes a concerned citizen.
Oops! Sorry Treece, I didn’t see your post lol.
No problem PAW69, I’m sure we were typing at the same time. But it makes me think that is correct for us to both be thinking they are the same age.
HollysGmom
Crystal and Ron were both young when HaLeigh was born, they are only about a year and a half apart in age so I personally don’t see that as a big difference, especially seeing as they were in a relationship for several years before HaLeigh was born.
Amber was 19 when Baby J was born which meant she became pregnant when she was 18, which is not underage.
Hi Hollysgmom, I do think 14 and 17 are a huge difference to be with a 24 year old. Don’t you?
If you can drive a car at 16 you should be smart enough to know right from wrong. As far as education goes plenty of our grandparents only went to school til they were in 6th or 7th grade, especially in farm communities. So education doesnt play a role either. Dont let these people pull the poor me I am uneducated,had a bad life,and I am only 17 card. Alot of single teen women with kids have finished school and even college ,this doesnt play at all. People wake up this girl doesnt want to get a GED or a job, she wants someone to take care of her.
I found a news report from February that stated Crystal was 24 then. So yes she’s close to Ron’s age and must have been 18 or 19 when she got pregnant with Haleigh.
There have been so many rumors and accusations about Ron that as hard as I try to ignore them I ended up with the impression that he had been with an underage girl before and that she was Crystal. But that is NOT the case as far as my research is showing so far.
m2c, thank you for looking that up.
I could be wrong,but I believe Crystal just turned 24 in August. Her birthday is shortly after Haleighs. I do not know when Rons is, but I am thinking they are 2-21/2 years apart. Amber I believe is 22; not sure.
So then why is it being said that Ron is an SO for sleeping with all these young girls??? That doesn’t make him an SO. Also Misty and him are on that fine line, But I think he didn’t get arrested because in all technicallity he is just barely within that legal part of it. Probably about a month or two, but still.
Anyways, This is obviously this town’s way of living. Dating whoever whenever whatever age. Drugs. Alcohol.
I have yet to see all these rumors about Ron become FACT.
That’s the thing right there that bugs me the most, People will run with rumors, But they seem to refuse to run with facts.
I believe Crystal has the same mentality. Why get a job when someone will take care of all your needs? Off topic but has anyone researched whether there ever was a DNA done during the first custody battle. This could be real important to know. I am sure LE would know if they have Rons ,Crystals and Halieghs DNA now if Ron really is her Dad. I think this could really play into a theory if she is not biologically his. In my eyes he is since he raised her but the real father may not see it that way.
Ron and Crystal had no problem working together to do what it takes to find Haleigh until KP came around. Then all hell broke loose and all this BS came out that isn’t even close to being true.
thank you looking for justice.
i remember misty and lisa talked about it, but, could never find the video that ran long enough where that subject is talked about. ms.p
tobias, that’s where I feel Crystal’s involvement. Spreading a rumor saying Haleigh isn’t Ron’s and saying it was her high school boyfriend’s daughter. In turn told this ex-b/f some lies, got him all rampted up and he went and took her. Hence the reason why KP and Crystal right away tried to get custody of Jr. right when KP came into play.
Ron DOB 10/29/83
Crystal DOB 04/30/85
Amber DOB 03/29/89
So Ron and Crystal are a year and a half apart in age.
Do you have Misty’s DOB?
looking for justice ron is 24 also.
PAW69 you are right, Ron & Crystal were kind to each other and complimentary of each other until kp…
PAW @ 11:59 am
That’s right. Here’s part of an interview with Greta van Susteren (sp?) on Feb 28 (BEFORE KP entered the picture) and this is what was said:
“He is a good father, isn’t he” asked Susteren.
“Yes. He loves Haleigh. I know Haleigh is his heart, and I do not think he hurt her” said Sheffield.
I think it was when Ron became dispondent and made threats of useing the gun. That started around the time he was saying things like I am gonna take out the trash who did this. That is fact it is in one of the videos with Teresa he has on a blue striped shirt in it. I think everyone was scared Jr. would get hurt by Ron if he found out what happened to Haliegh. There is always a risk of a suicide in these cases ask Nancy Grace.
I will have to dig up Misty’s DOB but I believe it is Dec 1991.
Crystal Sheffield DOB 8-30-1985 She is currently 24 She would have been 18 when Haleigh was born. She would have been only 2-3 months into her 17th birthday when Haleigh was concieved.
Ronald Cummings DOB 10-29-1983 He is currently 26 He would have been 20, nearly 21 when Haleigh was born. He would have been 20 when she was concieved.
Amber Brooks DOB 03-29-1989 She is currently 20. Jordan was born approx 8-2007 Amber would have been 18 at his birth but only barely 17 at his conception. Ron would have been 23 at his conception.
Misty and Ron reportedly lived together 3 months prior to Haleigh’s disappearance. She would have been 16 at the time they started dating while Ron was 24 almost 25.
Anybody else seeing a pattern here? If we were to strickly go by the law as it is stated ie must be 18 to give consent in FL, Ron could be charged 3 times by now! However, there is the 5 yr age gap provision (Which IMO needs to be done away with or only used for certain circumstances ie male who has never been married, concieved child(ren), was dating her prior to his 18th birthday, ect- Not just any ol Joe who decides he like em young.)
Another reason I feel so strongly about this in reference to RC is that had he been dating/living with an adult woman there would have been a lesser chance of an abduction. Even though there have been children abducted from homes containing 2 adults, IMO in this particular case it would have made a difference.
I guess RC has seen his last year of falling under this loop hole. He no longer qualifies for that exception and from hence forth should be arrested for having sexual relations with anyone under the age of 18.
tobias: That’s what I said the other day. The possibility that Haleigh is not Ron’s could be important. Is LE or anyone trying to find out?
Baby J was born in April or May of 2008 not 2007. He will be 2 on his next birthday
So there are the “facts” You can exuse RC if you like, since LE does, but it still doesn’t make it right.
Yes, I do agree that there is a big difference in 14 and 17, except for the fact that this girl acted WAY more mature than Misty ever has. By looking at her alone or being around her one would have guessed she was 17. She also has had a rough life and has pretty much grown up without parental supervision. Had I not been told her age I would not have known there was such a wide gap.
I took Ron’s age from this news report which was in Feb.
Texas Equusearch, Kidfinders Network, and Josh Duckett are headed to Putnam County, FL. to assist the family in the search for Haleigh. Haleigh’s father 24 year old Ron Cummings, and his girlfriend 17 year old Misty Croslin have had multiple interviews with police and the FBI.
Baby J was listed on this website in an atricle dated april 2009 that he was 20 months old.
Also in Florida anytime there is a hearing on custody and/or child support the father is DNA TESTED prior to going to court. Geez, they’re not just gonna take Crystal’s word for it, even if he signed the BC. I know, my daughter just recently went through that with her ex. Even though they both stated that he was the father and had signed the BC he still had to be tested and at his own expense.
The way I see it is KP was called in because everyone thought Jr might be in danger and once the Sheffields found out they could actually get a chance at custody it all changed.Before this, I believe, she was pretty sure she had lost any chance at getting the kids back. Thank god we will never know if Jr. was really in danger. I believe,at the time, people were really afraid this could happen.
Then when it was evident that the drugs etc. came into play what could KP do I guess she could have quit and walked away but who can do that with a clear mind?
Court records in Baker and Duval county show Crystals DOB as 4/30/85. I just double checked both counties court records
I’m not so sure about that five year leeway provision. Maybe that’s true in Florida but not all other states? I know I’ve heard of guys being charged with statutory rape for having consensual sex with girls a few weeks younger (guy 18, girl 17).
HollysGmom- I agree with your last post with the exception that if Ron had been living with an adult that Haleigh would not have been abducted or that there would be less chance. I think that would depend on the “adult.” I don’t understand why in this particular case you think the age makes a difference?
To take it to the extreme, as an example, Shaniya’s mother is an “adult.” And another extreme example might be an “adult” who was passed out from booze. Happens every night in thousands of homes somewhere. And unfortunately there are thousands of bio-moms who are horribly neglectful and inattentive and put their children at risk even without influences like drugs or booze. IMO
There are pictures of Baby J as a newborn and Amber. Also pics of Misty and Baby J. Misty was babysitting Baby J after he was born and that is how she met Ron. Misty and Ron got together in Aug/Sept of 08
Wayanne K did an interview with Amber in March of 08, Baby J was an infant.
The article that said Baby J was 20 months contained wrong information.
Also when any unmarried couple who produce a child and then later seperate, the mother is considered to be the custodial parent. Once paternity is established the father can petion the court for custody but will likely loose unless the mother has either incarcerated, proven unfit by DCFS, or has drug related issues.
tobias: I think KP was responsible for dreaming up the “Jr is in danger” theory - with a lot of help from Ron haters who had probably already started spewing that all over blogs. From everything Crystal said BEFORE KP entered the picture that was not an issue. IMO one more diversion to blame on KP and her co-horts (bloggers).
HollysGmom @ 12:19 THANK YOU! That is so good to know! I thought it was awful for someone to start that rumor about Ron not being the dad.
That’s why I wanted it cleared up! But it never was a question or an issue. Gosh, the depths some people go to. I can’t remember where/who that rumor started but pooh on them.
THANK YOU again!
Treece, hangon listed above that Ron was born 10/29/83. That means he just turned 26 this past Oct. Crystal and Ron are only 1 1/2 years apart. Thank you hangon for listing the birthdays. It really helps. I know Misty will be 18 next month. I am not sure on what day.
It really is a shame that all these intelligent, expierenced people went down there to help only to get caught up in a frenzy. With all of our own changing theories is it not understandable that these people also got caught in the vortex of lies etc? I think we should forget about everyone except the key people in this and move on to what happened that night and who took Haliegh and why. At least KP, cobra,Tj and others gave us some of the most important info to base theories on.They got down in the trenches and its a shame they got mud thrown on them doing it. we should Thank the ones who took the time out of their lives to go down there and try to unravel this mess.
M2C
The reason I wrote “in this particular case” and also IMO is because I’d like to think that if RC had been dating a 20 something she wouldn’t have been running off to party with other men, maybe she wouldn’t have had drugs in her system, possibly she would have actually slept in that bed next to Haleigh and heard an intruder or her brother knocking, or for that matter wouldn’t have turned off the cell phone. Now I’m not saying it couldn’t have happened with an older girlfriend, just that I personally think there would have been a lesser chance.
Gosh you guys I know RC is never gonna face charges about these girls/young women but maybe if he had the fear that he would have been he would have sought out someone more mature and RESPONSIBLE. “I’m only 17…” On one hand she wants to be treated like an adult: live with RC, do drugs, run her own life but as soon as her choices start catching up to her she wants to run back and still be considered a kid. I’m just saying that possibly, mentally, emotionally she is much younger than her years.
I know adults do wrong. Trust me on that one! I still think his choices are bad and possibly immoral. Yes, let’s forget about morality, just focus on what is legal.
As a child who had it drilled into her head by a hideously abusive father that the reason he was able to torture me was due to the fact that our mother “abandoned us to him” (Which was a lie) I have serious reservations about any mother who loses custody. Sorry, can’t help it. I despise women who don’t do EVERYTHING they need to to protect, nurture, and raise thier own children. So do not think that I am a Crystal supporter because that is totally untrue.
I think MANY on both sides could have done better, worked together more, been more forgiving, helped each other out, worked like a team. Don’t you?
hangnon, can you verify Ron’s DOB also. Thanks.
M2C you are welcome. I left out one word that might cause some to question what I said.
Unmarried.
If the couple is married it is assumed that the child is his. If he has doubts and does not contest it within a year of the childs birth he can still be held as the childs father and pay support,should they seperate or divorce, for up to 18 yrs even if DNA later proves he isn’t the bio-dad.
Hollys Gmom said,
in November 18th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
I think MANY on both sides could have done better, worked together more, been more forgiving, helped each other out, worked like a team. Don’t you?
Hollys Gmom, I totally agree with you on this and isn’t that true for most situations we are in. That is good wisdom.
True Gmom, But the Misty being immature thing is not what I see. Her own father said she was wild and I think when she gets in trouble she plays on peoples emotions that shes just a wee little girl and its not her fault for anything.
I cant believe people still believe this after all the crap she has pulled. I see the true Misty the one that jerks her head in defience,the one who lied at the airport about the polygraph and weekend. She even lied that she was going to New York for god sake. Oh and flipping the bird at people on the highway. If my 17 did that I would be very upset, its asking for trouble .
Sorry for mis-stating Crystals DOB. I was trying to quickly gather the info an may have mis-typed or gotten bad info. I knew you guys would clear it up if I made an error though.
Hollys Gmom, I am sorry for the horrible pain & abuse you went through and I appreciate your willingness to share with us. You absolutely went through hell on earth. Anyone who would do that to a child is lower than an animal and does not deserve to breath air. Thank you for directing your pain to doing positive things. Holly is blessed to have you.
Tobias
I do agree over all with your point about Misty not being an innocent, however those attributes and actions you describe are exactly those of one who is immature. Especially the bird, lying to reporters when a more mature person would look into the camera, smile and say “No comment” and the air of defiance that she can show.
I was just wondering if we changed the roles of Ron and Crystal would it look different?
hello tobias,
just my opinion, haleigh looks so much like her mom and nana. but when she was younger in pics i saw, she really had a lot of ron in her face. she looked to be about 1, 2, or 3 y.o.
i am sure if ron did not think he was the biological father of his children, he would tell police as i am sure that would be relevant.
ah, i was wondering if florida required dna testing in paternity.
The Claim: Babies Tend to Look Like Their Fathers - just because u may find interesting
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/22/health/22real.html
Treece
I truely appreciate your comment. Sometimes I wonder if people will think I’m telling this to gain sympathy for myself and to sway opinions. Truely it is not the case. While compassion and empathy are always appreciated I really only want to show people that there really are those of us out there who have experienced these terrible crimes; that I have some specific insights about these terrible, dark, and morose topics; and that no matter what we all can help make a difference. Awareness is key. So many times people don’t want to look at the ugly so to speak. They don’t want to be troubled or brought down by others tragedies (No one here though thank GOD)
My own son said to me while posting here tonight “Mom, I don’t know why you torture and upset yourself with these cases, after all you have been through already?” I didn’t answer, I just kept posting. He was exasperated and just walked away. What I had wanted to tell him and still will is that if everyone pretends this stuff doesn’t happen, that kids aren’t abused, raped, and even murdered then who will protect the children? Who will make a difference? How will we ever make it stop? Too many already stick thier heads in the sand and don’t want to know. I know a lot of them. As a matter of fact, you guys here on this site are the only people I know who even want to talk about this stuff or even try to make a difference. Thanks for allowing me to share.
Would what look different Tobias? Crystal with a younger guy? Ron as the non-custodial parent? I’m not sure what question you were asking.
treece your 10:11 a.m. speaks for me. I think we’re sort of battered by the winds of what has came out in the last few days, not to mention the in flux in the amount of posts to wade through and comprehend. It’s tiresome, even reading our buds, as we have real life and the emotions are high. I hold not a snippy post against anyone, especially those who maintain a perfectly responsible forum decor all the rest of the time.
It’s like family, we snip and bite, but we know to makeup and move on, not holding grudges. That’s the only way this forum, or any other forum, blog of communities will prosper. Thanks for your comments overall.
Honestly my first 3 days posting, being new here, I was really having it tuff trying to keep the cent, my two cents, my 20 cents, and m2c’s posts in their perspective ownerships. Now that I’m learning everyones writing styles, and nics, it’s easier. But at first, a newbie here, it was and still is hard.
Pinkey, thanks for being here. If I can’t make friends, I’ll stay here at home and be quiet Friends are a valuable good thing to have. The mmore I have, the merrier I am.
Peridot, you guys seem nice and genuine. Special Blessings I pray over you and your homes with love, peace, joy and prosperity.
I’ve got to download adobe reader in order to read the doc dump on the court dismassal and complaints, so I’ll probably have some comments after reading in the next few days.
I’m sort of glad things have calmed down in the drama, rumor, innuendo and gossip department of these families lives. It was painful to watch them being drug through the mud over non important issues. Being disparaged everytime they stopped out of their homes. It wasn’t kind or fair. These parents are young, and until we know who did it, I will continue to treat them honestly with integrity, as their daughter is missing. I do this for righteousness sake, and to honor Haleigh.
Haleigh, looked so extremely happy, healthy and well taken care of in all her photos. Everyone, except the schoolyard injury ones. Those are explainable. Many are beginning to compare Shaniya’s case to a possible comparison to Haleigh and her parents due to their drug use in the past. I’m not buying it for a sec. Look at Haleigh’s genuine face and eyes, her mouth, hair and body versus Shaniyas in the motel video. That’s what little abused mistreated harmed girls look like when you get your picture took.
These parents aren’t ideal, and they have their issues, and there possibly could be a familial abduction involved in this case, but no way is there any evidence, or likeness to her being sold due to drugs, sex or hate for Haleigh.
HollysGmom:
I agree that Misty’s age and character (or lack thereof) may have been a contributing factor. Unfortunately there are 20 and 30 year olds who are just as selfish and self-centered (for different reasons). They may be more “mature” in some ways but can lack other qualities that would keep children safe. Many step-moms would be thrilled to have “HIS” kids go live with their bio-mom so she doesn’t have to be bothered with them.
I agree that I don’t admire mothers who do not fight for their children. However I am grateful when mothers who truly are not interested in their children, admit to that and let them go.
Personally I think we need to encourage that and make it “okay” in a way that will encourage such mothers to own up to it and let the dad or someone who will really care for the children have them.
I do not believe that giving birth does anything more than make a woman a mother in the technical sense. It takes true love and caring to behave as a mother should.
Many bio-moms are NOT loving, nurturing, caring parents. (Look at maggot Anthony for just one example among many or Shaniya’s -damn her to heck in a handbasket too)
Also some mothers will fight for their children in a divorce just to hurt the father. They don’t really want the children - just don’t want him to have them - another way of hurting him. And how about the mothers who LET fathers and stepfathers and boyfriends beat (and worse) their children? And knowingly let SOs into their lives.
To me, age and whether a woman is a bio-mom or not, don’t factor in very much. THere are 13 and 14 year old girls who have taken on the role of mother to younger siblings when their mom was a drunk or worse. It’s all in the character of the person really. And sometimes age does not improve the character nor does giving birth.
JMO
Holly g mom if Misty did that she wouldnt get any attention. I do think there is something wrong with Misty but it isnt immaturity. Its plain old feeling sorry for herslf and a shelfish desire for attention. She didnt have to go on the TV show. Her own lawyer told her not to and really what important things did she say ? She didnt even make a plea for whoever has Haliegh to send her home. She just went to blame someone else. In the begining it was I dont know, then joe and her brother, then it was the other side of the family. I trust that there is a reason the LE thinks she is the key to this.
I just realized I have been here for 12 hours. I need to go to bed LOL! See you guys when I arise from my coma J/K
ron as the non custodial parent
The same kind of thing can be said of Crystal - at least as far as one interview I remember.
There was a search for Haleigh going on right behind her, she was sitting and being interviewed by a woman, (can’t remember who) and all Crystal could talk about was some false accusation someone had made against her.
Not a word or a tear about the activities going on right there that might have discovered her daughter’s body. And Crystal is 24 (or so).
It’s character or the lack thereof. Self-centeredness etc. And it looks like both Misty and Crystal show the same signs.
In one of Crystal’s interviews she stated that she did take a LDT. I also understood that it was a private one, not one from LE. She stated in that interview that it had to be sent to Washington and she didn’t know why.
Why does that not make any sense to have it sent to Washington? Did she even take a LDT?
Would anyone have cared if Ron didnt have the kids when Haliegh came up missing. Follow my thoughts . Crystal goes to work leaves the kids with a 17 yr. baby sitter. Comes home and shes gone. Ron is a deadbeat dad oweing child support,drugs are an issue of course on both sides,he doesnt work, claims mother abuses children. This senerio changes alot really. The crystal in this scenerio doesnt seem to awful if you take out the 17 yr. old romance part. But the Ron looks pretty bad. Just a thought process to bounce off . Any one else see the differences here.
tobias, EXACTLY!!!
m2c,
I have also noticed that for some reason the law doesn’t seem to apply to Ron. He seems to get away with statutory rape, use of illegal drugs, endangering minors, ( Misty, not that she is an innocent in anyway ), etc. I’d sure like to know what it is that the LE in that part of town actually do. When you see how LE quickly found Somer Thompson, you just have to wonder what these folks in Ron’s part of town are doing.
Kool Look, yes, I guess I am feeling weathered today. Shaniya’s horrific death at the hand of her mother is shocking. Combined with the fact that a man can “enjoy” ripping an innocent child apart is overwhelming. Thanks for asking. Normally I am not this negative. Have a good day. Treece
Paw 69, I think the focus would still be on the babysitter but also on the deadbeat dad in my senerio. what do you think?
Treece, I am upset about Shaniya too. For a different reason though. When I sw the pictures of oniel holding her I thought why would they put those out for the public when they didnt know who could have her, she could have been passed to another person at that motel and now he has her . He also knows he’ll never get her through a road block so hes gonna kill her. I was very upset. I still am.
paws, no it doesn’t make sense about crystals ldt and it going to washington, I cry foul odor on that one. plus, why hasn’t she or anyone else since reported the findings and results?
Jan, I’ve always stated I believe that home was being watched, along with Ron’s work schedule. That Misty was asleep and Haleigh was removed right there from the same room in the middle of the night.
I have three suspects, cousin Joe who hightailed it out of satsuma that early morn. hank Jr/ aka Tommy placing himself at the crime scene in the timeline necessary and the bio moms side of the family. If it’s not them, its a stranger abduction, watching that mobile home.
LE has not investigated this case properly, all the way down to observing and documenting tracks, footprints and tire tracks. It was a shoddy messed up investigation the moment they arrived on the property and began destroying potential forensic evidence. Like pulling up too close on the property. They should have taped that scene off and allowed no one to drive up within so many hundred feet after Ron arrived. They knew what the call was about as they made pursuit to the home, a missing child is gone.
After nine months into the investigation, I’m discouraged by LE, and believe ego’s hinder a thorough investigation. Their stuck on Misty, though here lately, seems they have at least acknowledged that hasn’t went anywhere. So what now for LE? The total silence speaks volumes.
tobias, it could have worked the other way too though. He could have thought they have my picture. I better leave her here and flee, better to get charged with kidnapping than murder. Or he could have been with her in public and someone have been able to call from seeing that picture and have rescued her. I see how you are thinking too though. LE has hard decisions to make in these cases.
Treece , I also feel very sorry for the person who called police from the motel. If only they had known sooner that the child they saw was being abducted. I am sure they are in deep sorrow . They did the right thing but it was too late. This is a real tragity.
tobias, I agree the motel employee is a victim, too. Yes, they did the right thing but it was too late.
LE already knew who Oneil was. They already had him in custody when they release the pictures. My question is where are the pictures of him leaving the motel and does it show her with him? We know they were are on an upper level so they had to come back down on that elevator. Where are the pictures of who she left with? I dont believe it was with oneil, I think he was a go between. He still kidnapped her and sold her along with the mother but the killer was a buyer. Oneil doesnt look like he had money. Always follow the money…
She could have left using the stairs or she could have left in a suit case and they don’t have it on film.
Is it still considered kidnapping if the mother knew she would be taken and by whom? I am not saying that I think Oneill is innocent by no means, but I don’t think kidnapping is the correct charge. I think that she did not leave that motel alive or the police have the tapes and are not releasing the information. Human trafficing is bid deal and this may very well crack this case wide open. JMO - Thanks!
“is a big deal” - Sorry!
mom2babies, I so hope you are right and a big bust happens and Shaniya’s life saves someone elses.
m2c, Does it matter where I was posting? That’s cruel…I had no idea about the s/o. A lot of us didn’t. Why do you feel you have to call me names? You know the facts…Ron is a sex offender. I should be calling you names but I won’t.
Just stating my opinion and almost all of you are defending a s/o. That’s sad. You all must be men who like little girls. Well, you won’t get near my children. For any of YOU to think it’s ok for RC to spawn with little girls is just plain sick. I don’t consider myself a ron hater as I don’t “hate” him. Crystal is not perfect either and I ranted about HER too. I just point out that he “IS” a s/o and all of you go crazy defending him. I am not for “any” side. I pointed out FACTS and you all go crazy. I think you are all adults and YOU should know that Ron’s behavior is sickening.
It may be a charge worse than kidnapping if they can prove he sold her and money changed hands. He and the mother should be charged in her death in my book, what did they think would happen to this sweet little girl? They didnt care as long as they got the money so I say bye bye to the both of them.jmo
klnn, You have rosecolored glasses on. I am a woman with a 17 yr. daughter. I know I have brought my daughter up correctly, but I was once 17 too. And 17 is an age where you know exactly what you are doing and you should also teach your children that they can also be tried in the courts as an adult at this age.
I do agree its wrong for Ron to date 17 yr olds but I do not think its in the category of s/o.
tobias, They do have video of her leaving the motel with the guy that brought her in. They just choose not to show it. She was alive when she left.
OMG..I would NEVER let my 17 year old daughter have SEX with a s/o. Sorry tobias, but you should play a bigger part in your childs life.
Also..I should add that my 17 year old daughter did date (probably did have sex) but NEVER was she allowed to be with a GROWN man. Disgusting…that’s all I have to say….DISGUSTING.
I also believe her parents knew him and how old he was. They are the ones who decided if this what she was mature enough to handle. I do believe its been brought up before that there has to also be a 4 year age difference for it to be statitory rape after 16 and the parents would have to bring the charges. I wonder about the Uncle of Rons that she had a thing for. But that could be rumor on the blogs too.
Hey All,
Just getting caught up on all that was said… some ***fireworks*** been popping off.
For the record I find it disgusting that any ADULT would feel the need to be with a TEEN. I could careless if it was a male/female doing the CRADLE robbing.
I believe that it usually occurs when the adult likes to dominate and be in control. Sadly, we see it too often.
I also agree that we must look at all sides and if we’re going to “rag” on one…. we must “rag” on them all.
I would like to thank you all, for all the great posts. I do enjoy my time here.
I think Misty parents knew how she was and never had any control over what she did.She left for 3 days on a drug binge with friends and never called home or she would have known her Dad had been in a car wreck. Maybe they thought she would get into less trouble with a more mature boyfriend?
Birthdays:
All can be verified through court records:
Misty - 12-9-91
Ron - 10/29/83
HaLeigh - 8/17/03
Junior - 2/15/05
Crystal - 8-30-85
klynn I did not say my daughter is even dating let alone with as/o. But and its a big one I would not have a problem with her dating someone 21 but trust me he would have to pass alot of testing first. She is mature with a very smart head on her shoulders and I would have to give her the benefit of the doubt on her choices{i would have an open mind}. My mother in law married my father in law and their age differnce is 12 years, they were married for 45 years. She was 18 when they met.
Please do not thank me and my team!!!,
This isn’t about us,
it is about Haleigh and only Haleigh!!
We are here with our eyes, hearts and ears wide open with no judgment.
We are not here to hurt anyone or cause anyone problem, we just want Haleigh found.
This should have been done a long time ago and was not.
Keep your thoughts on Haleigh and her being found and brought home safe and sound.
law shrink you are correct. Have you found any thing new in the case?
Tobais– I will not post any thing I can’t back up 100%.
I do need to be filled in on Crystals other children age / gender
Does she have more than Cloe? I thought the other kids were chads?
Klynn:
I said you are a Ron-hater. I think that’s an accurate assessment of every post I’ve seen from you- here and on the other two sites.
And now you’re here “hating on us” for not jumping on the “hate Ron/blame Ron for everything” 24/7 train.
A lot of us have thought Ron married Misty to get out of a statutory rape charge so, no, we don’t think highly of Ron. Today we’ve been discussing the law in relation to ages.
We’ve also been looking at different things that could have happened to Haleigh – trying to keep open minds. So we talk about a lot more here than what a horrible SO Ron is.
You said: “I pointed out FACTS.” The only fact you’ve pointed out is one we have ALL known since day one and that is that Ron was living with an underage girl. Yes, we know that.
But you also said, that “Haleigh went missing from RC’s house where he was having sex with an underage child on a three day drug and sex binge.”
First, we don’t know where Haleigh went missing from. Maybe Misty took her to a party and that’s where she went missing. And also, Misty had been out by herself without Ron on the 3 day binge. So your “facts” are wrong.
What shows the true you and your true motives (more Ron bashing to the exclusion of any intelligent discussion) is what you said to us right here today.
You said:
@ 9:37 am:
1) “Crystal is no angel with her drug use but she didn’t lose Haleigh…RON DID. Ron is GUILTY of a lot of things. He’s plain rotten.”
2) “facts are facts and most people here aren’t going by them.”
3) “RC is responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh.”
4) “You people that think RC’s is so great must approve of sex offenders”
And the latest and greatest:
5)“.. .almost all of you are defending a s/o. That’s sad. You all must be men who like little girls.”
So in addition to being a Ron-hater you are here hating on us.
ANON @ 1:38 - I’m really not sure what Ron’s gotten away with - except for living with an underage girl. This is mostly because I’ve had a very tough time figuring out what he’s actually done or accused of doing by LE and what the Ron-hater club has accused him of (I’m sure they’re about to blame him for causing swine flu any day!)
But yes he may have gotten away with stuff. I’d like to know actual facts. At the same time I think that Crystal’s side of the family has had a free pass from LE since Day 1 and I’d like to know what influence they may have with LE (or did LE just do an incomplete investigation)
tobias @ 2:59 Misty’s parents didn’t even see that she got to school much thru 6th grade and then let her drop out. Gosh knows where she lived - at home, in cars etc. So we’re talking YEARS of neglect by those parents to which a 3 day binge is small potatoes in the scheme of things (and probably just one of many such binges).
I would have thought that they’d be pleased to see her married to an older guy, “settle down” in a halfway decent home and help raise two kids.
That’s a big leap in the right direction from where she was at. Relatively speaking of course.
Thank you m2c, I wondered why kylee was so much into the hatin of Ron. I dont hate any of the people in this I am just trying to get a clue as to why anyone would hide what happened to haliegh.
tobias - I don’t really “know” why but I do know that there are packs of them in various often “secret” clubs on the web who spend their time just bashing Ron. It’s amazing. And then some of them come here or go to other sites like ours and try to spread the hate. It’s like an obsession. Oh, and of course there are OTHER packs who who are Crystal-bashers! LOL! Same thing only in reverse!I’ve never seen anything like it and hope I never do again.
To my 4:47 post please let me add that doesn’t mean I approve of the underage part of it.
Baker County court records
SHEFFIELD CRYSTAL D - (4/30/1985)
http://208.75.175.18/ovationweb/search.aspx
Duval County Court Records
3854SDA SHEFFIELD CRYSTAL D 4/30/1985
https://showcase.duvalclerk.com/SearchForCases.aspx
Anyone know how to unregister from WS.? Now that i know the truth of the RSO. Can’t find a link on the site to unregister. only made 1 post there and wont make any others.
hey KoolLook, you used to be at WS.. how did you unregister or did ya just stop going?
mel22 - I can’t help with your question but in case you saw my post to klynn earlier, WS was not the RSO site I was referring to. But I believe I’ve heard that there’s yet another RSO associated with yet another website and that is WS. I’m not saying that for fact because I don’t know. But I just wanted to clarify for you.
Can you to in to your “profile” at that site and somehow delete your registration? Just a totally uneducated suggestion.
Hey, Kool Look and everyone else. Would it help to quickly distinguish me from others with similar names if I went back to a way that I used to show my nic?
It was
m2c♥
If it will or won’t help please let me know either way. Thanks!
just tried and cant seem to , but now i’m really confused? so WS is not owned/operated by an RSO? ok well i guess thers nothing to worry about then. Thanks for the clarification.( are you saying thers two sites of WS - kinda like virgo , fake virgo and you and the other my 2 cents) CRAAAZY , man CRAAAZY!
Oh, I have to tell you a story. When I was still going by My Two Cents, a lady joined us using exactly the same name. I piped up and pointed it out - nicely - and she (like the recent one) said she’d been all over the web using that name BUT you know what she did right before I changed my name? She changed hers to My Three Cents! LOL!
She was really nice about it. And I’d been willing to change mine but she beat me to it!
So things like that don’t have to be unpleasant.
I’m fine with your screenname.. Whats you main angle on haleigh’s case. I tend to lean to the party accident but i originally thought she was extracted ,so to speak, from a bad situation
tobias said, in November 18th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
“It really is a shame that all these intelligent, expierenced people went down there to help only to get caught up in a frenzy. With all of our own changing theories is it not understandable that these people also got caught in the vortex of lies etc? I think we should forget about everyone except the key people in this and move on to what happened that night and who took Haliegh and why. At least KP, cobra,Tj and others gave us some of the most important info to base theories on.They got down in the trenches and its a shame they got mud thrown on them doing it. we should Thank the ones who took the time out of their lives to go down there and try to unravel this mess.”
I agree with your opening sentence, Tobias, but I’m not so confident that Kim Picazio, Cobra Staubs, Art Harris, and T.J. Hart have actually provided us with any information that was useful. At the moment, all I can think of is the bullchips thrown out to us by them.
Please refresh my memory about any good - useful - relevant information that they have dug up and given to us. tia.
[This is not intended to be smart-aleck-y. It’s a real request and would be appreciated. I’m feeling awfully jaded right now - about everybody and everything.]
TIA
I actually saw a post earlier from indigo on WS where she color coded the wording to LE in the interview about the blankets and it was interesting to note there was Haleighs pee’d blanket, Mistys blanket that was left in the van ” THEY” took( whoever THEY means) and the one taken off the wall to cover haleigh with. So 3 blankets. I never realized that before
Wow, I leave for a while and come back to some hatred. Ughhh. LOL
Anyways, My oh My, where do I start.
Although I don’t agree that Ron should be with a 17 yr old, That does not make him an SO.
To KLynn, I am not going to doubt your parenting what so ever. But I will say this, No parent is able to watch their 16/17 yr old 24/7. That being said, you have no idea what your daughter is doing when she is not with you. Unless of course you don’t let her go anywhere at all.
All I am saying is no matter how much we preach and teach our teens, they sometimes venture off and do things we don’t approve of. It happens with the best and worse of all families. And yes you can preach and teach too much where a teen will venture off just to be spiteful.
Anyways, tobias, I feel Ron would have been damned if he did and damned if he didn’t whether he had custody or not. And it all boils down to because he is male.
All of this is just my opinion.
Although there were alot of bullchips, I think them digging into naynay and finding WB was bcuz of their efforts. Going in to the triplex crack den and confronting Jerome W. was on SAtaubs and KP actually went their ” in her high hells and ????/ dresssuit” according to an article I read. Their stories were crossed but the other” PLAYERS INVOLVED” were outed from roaming the crack dens. ( SOMETHING which I know I would not do)
I don’t question Cobras integrity to find this girl but I do think he needlessly ran his mouth to the wrong reporters who “Allegedly” taped him without consent. So every crossed theory or word he said while sipping thos LI iced teas was taken out of context before he really had time to ponder what he just came across just prior before clearly rationilizing. Even here on the thread every little word here is scrutinized and everyones opinion on what really happened probably changes every few days pondering all the info.
Lawshrink, I truly hope your posts are genuinely true. With all that we’re learning, with all that some of these players have done, and those on the internet who have did their deeds, I’m so saddened. Does anyone in the public really care? I believe her family does, and they are limited in their abilities, mainly due to LE’s treatment towards the Cummings. Then we have the sheffield side, who has basically been left alone concerning the investigation, not promoting Haleigh’s name so much as when they do have interviews, it’s about other topics. Then their mentality and motives in how they acted and wanted to happen in this case, has now backfired. Causing more problems.
Wonder if we could ask Americas Most wanted to do an update? They seem to be fair and reach people across the world.
I think the reward money ought to be pushed heavily in the public realm, to get tips or actual lead to the guilty ones in order for an arrest. At this point in time, I believe the reward money ought to be used to hired independant private investigators to go out hunt for Haleigh and any information leading to her whereabouts. The Lord says, “Money answereth all things”. We know money could get some things done in this case. Put it in the pockets of people who will hit the ground and hunt for anything relevant to Haleigh.
Our Government buys information all the time. Re-interview the family members with upstanding Journalists. LE needs to start giving some information to the public. This case doesn’t have to be cold.
mel22- I really don’t lean in any one particular direction as far as what happened. I can think of so many ways. The simplest obviously is that something happened to Haleigh at the MH with Misty (probably accidentally). The next is that Misty went out and left the children and someone got in (possibilities range from Tommy to someone in Crystal’s family to an SO).
The one scenario I have the toughest time believing - although it is still possible- is that Ron did something to Haleigh before going to work. Unfortunately there are so many different stories about his whereabouts that afternoon and night that I can’t pin it down. But logic tells me that his employers are gonna know if he’s on the job or not - they’re paying overtime to get things done! And his co-workers are going to know too I would think. And there is no reason for any of them to cover for him. So to me that’s the least likely for those reasons.
The one person who I think has tried to do the best job of reporting is TJ Hart. The others you mention just messed up everything IMO. And now some of them are changing what they said then.
Geesh.
And Tobias and PAW - I agree. If the situation had been reversed Ron would have been blamed just the same as he’s being blamed by some now.
I do wonder, though, how the issue of Crystal with a 16/17 year old would have been treated! LOL!
Kool Look - I agree - and with Lawshrink, too, that this case needs to start fresh again. But if that involves new tips going in to LE I’m afraid that it might not help IF LE has made up it’s mind already or gets stubborn and won’t even consider other possibilities.
An investigation without LE is almost impossible I would imagine because they can hassle every investigator and stonewall - as they have been - and not give out information that only they can (or have) gathered. I don’t think PIs can get phone records or cell phone tower pings. I think warrants are needed.
So it will be very difficult. That’s why I was hoping for an objective investigation at the state level of both Haleigh’s disappearance AND of the conduct of PCSO’s investigation. But then we’d have to hope there’s no CYA or good ole’ boyz club kind of relationship between the state and the locals. (Sigh).
BTW. my post was answering a question asked by LForida, I just butted in a quick response to the bullchip question. I’m not sure LE would have pursued inbterviews of NAYNAY or WB like Cobra did. Maybe LE already had what info they wanted from them but I think the interviews explained alot about Mistys character in the least. I actuall think once misty turns 18 and Cobras case is over ( which are within a few days of each other) some events will unfold .just the court case alone may reveal some hidden information that could be used. I think he’ll be vindicated in the end but he should just drop the search after that and let rons new PI take over.
mel, I think you worked your questions out already, as far as I know there is no button to un-register at ws. As far as I know, there isn’t any affiliation with registered sex offenders knowingly there posting. Though I’m sure as we’ve learned the sex offenders are everywhere undercover across the net, and in child cases. Their computers ought to be monitored and or taken.
m2c, I adore your other hat nic you just posted with the heart, reminds me of a caring heart towards others. I really needed to see that right now because my tears sting.
LOL Mel, I didn’t un-register at ws, I found BNN a few weeks ago and lurked watching the character and caliber of the place and it’s members, saw honest fairness and wanted to join.
Kool Look, yeah m2c already clarified ( i think !@!#@$) that WS was not the forum. I misunderstood
agree m2c with heart, hehehe we definately don’t want factual evidence getting into the wrong hands, and I fear LE receiving it, which is very sad. That’s why I recommended AMW, though a good PI could voluntarily get phone records and stuff. plus they don’t have to work within the same boundaries as LE. So actually I’m visualizing them as a support/complimentary team. And if LE tries to impede them without just cause and good sound reasons, we need to learn and know this and the only way is to put the PI’s in action and find out not only tips, but watch LE’s reactions. Could be very telling, know what I mean?
Marc Klaas is being sent every single thing that WS has done in the name of this missing child. He, who stated boldly on TV that what Crystal and Kim were doing (with the help of Websleuth members, owner and mod) was taking the focus off HaLeigh where it belonged. I hope he no longer associates with them in any way.
Marc, you’ll no longer have my respect if you don’t remove your association with them. They have interfered with an investigation and now brought out the flaws, some of which ARE NOT TRUE, of both parents of a darling little girl who could have become a symbol to our country of the pain that a family goes through when a child goes missing. Until WS came into the act, the country had sympathy for both families. Many could see a bit of themselves or those they love in them, warts and all. Their pain was heartbreaking. Now no respectable media outlets will focus on HaLeigh. All for the ego of a website owner, mod and a few posters who felt so important speading the lies of a lawyer who has an ego unmatched by anyone I’ve ever seen.
The split between the former friends at WS has no heroes. You are all scum of the earth who put your egos ahead of a little girl you pretended to care about. Pirate is not the only villain in this disgusting play. She’s just one of several whose need to feel important was bigger than their concern for a little girl. To publicly set out to hurt a poster’s credibility who puts her boots on the ground, her money where it is needed, her intelligence, fairness and heart into many cases is just vile. Do you think the things Kim put in the bar complaint about Crystal was all news to her? No, it wasn’t. Did you see her post that information at Websleuths? No, you didn’t. Did you see ANY member of her SG post those FACTS? No, you did not. Their hearts were in the right place, unlike yours Pirate, Badme, TopGunner and Tricia.
TJ HART
Please do not believe the press release just released to you and posted by the owner of Webslueths in her private area. It is not true.
I was a member of the social group that WS’s mod took information out of and gave to Kim Picazio and Pirate. Any of us there can confirm to you and I will have each of us contact you if you wish. I am not Pirate and she was not a member of our group. We were set up in a private group to be the anti-Pirate and try to figure out the truth to expose Pirate’s, Badme’s and Kim’s lies. We posted not one lie about Crystal Sheffield including anything found in the bar complaint. That is their fight. We were brought into it today by Pirate’s vengeance toward Kim and WS’s mod. We can confirm that Pirate IS telling the truth in this particular matter. WS had an agenda-the same one Art Harris has and coordinated by Kim Picazio.
I am terribly hurt, and I hope the truth, all the truth comes out. I pray those in authority make the right decisions concerning Haleigh’s case who showcase it, honor the families, and show some protection towards the honest members who deserve better than this. Wishing everyone who was involved would lay it out in the open, apologize and lets move on. Time will light up those who are genuine and caring, no matter what part a person was involved.
I claim to be a genuine caring poster, who merely wanted to sleuth and keep up with a missing little girl. If she was harmed, I wanted to see Justice prevail. I supported those who were in authority, gave support to the families, both sides and to the citizen posters. I searched for facts, read, and gave my honest opinions without one iota of an agenda. I treated others with honor without doubt, even when it became more and more obvious there was some bad things going on in the lives of those participating in the case.
WOW, What SH@#?ING mess this is, maybe I will unregister from WS after all!
Kool Look, you don’t know me. I quit posting at WS due to lies I knew were being posted with approval of those in power. I can prove what I say. What is in the Wordpress blog today is the truth. I can’t stand Pirate but she posted the truth today.
I’ve read your posts there. You are a credit to that site and they really don’t deserve you.
mel122 they won’t let you delete your account. That keeps their numbers inflated as if their website is much larger than the others. It brings in more money that way. Nothing they do is honest.
Whoa Whoa Whoa, What is going on here? Sorry, but I’ve never even seen this WS whatever it is. I don’t know what y’all are talking about when referring to this WS. Please explain.
Tonight my heart strings are pulled because of what this has done to Haleigh’s family and all those innocent. I’m hoping to hear apologies and support those who need to do so. For the benefit of Haleigh and to mend relationships.
ws poster, appreciate the compliment and will always try to to be a light in the eyes of others. I’m hoping, forgive me for fast forwarding to a new beginning, that we will see and learn what happens if we go overboard, cross boundaries as internet sleuthers into cases we care for. There’s a valuable lesson in this, it will last longer than we’re willing to stay, cost more than we’re willing to pay leading too many astray.
I know some of those WS posters that were in that private group and they are some of the very best researchers, especially Busylady. If she said something you can bet she had the docs to back it up. While we have the 50 page custody docs, Busylady had the entire set, some 200 pages. When the BOLO was issued, she was right on the phone getting the “facts”. It is a sad day when a moderator oversteps her bounds and violates the trust that those members had, that the moderator would not disclose their private information.
If you can’t even trust the dang moderators who the heck can you trust?
I’m sure happy to see folks using the razor!
mel22 said,in November 18th, 2009 at 1:05 am I hear all the time” no way anyone could’ve kept quiet this long” and yet my response is. You’re right, someone didnt keep quiet. His names is Joe Pytko. I don’t think anyone would listen if he puked it in your face. Do you really think one of the main players possibly facing charges are going to be the one to say it. Criminals cover their crime. Witnesses inform on crime. But as usual , swept under the rug, but then in the same breath wonder why LE isnt following on any leads. You couldn’t get a bigger lead than that.
Mlee.. dont you think if there was any truth to his allegation, LE wud have found something?
Like other ppl to corroborate the story? There is 35k up for grabs..
The ppl that have talked are clearly blowing smoke… when ppl come forward to LE, there is going to be something somewhere, to tie it up.. They cheked WBG’s vehicle Nay NAy’vehicle…. prints or DNA wud have been found had his story had any truth to it, at all…..
Good glory! Another huge stink in the vile whirlwind surrounding and often eclipsing little Haleigh’s disappearance. And it’s not even the weekend yet!
PAW - I am at a loss as well. I’m not familiar with WS or what went on there. Perhaps someone could give us the “cliff notes” version or a general outline (don’t have to mention names)? Something along the lines of:
- There was a private forum at WS made up of honest researchers who got at the truth.
- There was a dishonest moderator there who betrayed them, gave the info (or lied about it)
to people who used it to interfere in the case?
(All the above is fiction, folks. I was just suggesting a simple way for WS’ers to give us the overall picture if they would please?)
WS Poster and Kool Look - Isn’t there some kind of cyber organization that deals with websites and posters that cross the line? I forget what it’s called. Maybe WS or some of the worst offenders there need to be reported. And possibly to LE too for interfering in an investigation?
You summed it up pretty good m2c. There was some very good research going on, moderator was sending out the info and screenshots to those that had no right to the information.
Hi, Polly! Dumb as a rock, i am. Maybe that should be my new nic (too long though).
I know what Occam’s Razor is but I am interested in how you are applying it to figuring out what happened to Haleigh.
If I understand it correctly, it’s basically that the simplest explanation, with the fewest assumptions, is the right one. Right?
My fear is that is what LE has already done. That is what LE has done in other cases like Jaycee Dugard and others where it was “assuming” too much that an outsider did it because the stepfather was the last to see her. Or in other cases where they’d have to assume that an outsider got in the house when there was no apparent forced entry and therefore the “simplest” explanation was that the parents did it. Sometimes the simplest explanation isn’t right.
Or am I off-base on your thinking or your application of this to this case?
Thank you, hangnon! If it’s not revealing too much - at risk to you in any way - can you tell us if the info was given to KP in order to hurt Ron and/or send the investigation off on a wild goose chase?
Is there any way to sum up the damage without causing you or other innocent people harm?
Mes22 - Isn’t it a “SH@#?ING” (quoting you!
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when it has to be pointed out WHICH website run by an RSO we are talking about? I’d add an LOL but it’s not really funny.
It’s UNBELIEVABLE!
Mel22 - PLEASE FORGIVE MY TYPO! Obviously it’s late, I’m tired AND I must have been subconsciously thinking of this MESS!
Please forgive!
m2c I can only speculate as to the “why” behind it all. KP was doing what she “thought” she needed to do to change the public perception of her client. I personally find it repulsive that the route she chose to do that was by defaming HaLeigh’s father.
As far as the “why” behind others doing the same thing. I just can’t even fathom. I trust the Big Guy upstairs to deal with all of them at some time in the future.
Fortunately those that were doing the research caught on pretty quickly as to what was going on and stopped posting “real” information in the group.
There was some very, very good research being done and I know of 3 very solid tips that were given to LE including the possibility that Loucakis had a friend, RSO, that visited him from Orlando.
They were researching all possibilities not just one side of the family or the other.
LE didnt catch on to the WBG story or Joe ptykos staements until months later so if there was evidence it was probably gone by then and if it was an accidental OD there wouldnt be blood or antything so the most to hope for would be a few hairs. I think they got away with a coverup bcuz of the length of time that has passed! In response to Fed Up.
LE knew that Misty was with Greg and Nay Nay very early on in the investigation and according to interviews they gave they were given LDT
that was a theory i posted yesterday which noone wanted any part of and dont beleive anyway so pls drop that Fed Up . I’ve already moved on and i’ll will keep that theory to myself without looking like im trying to sway somebody to jump on the bandwagon. I already aplogized to winterrose about jumping on her case last night
hangon. how early, i thought it was about april or may they learned that and the case tarted FEb10.. but anyway NM. that was a last night issue
Hey Folks,
Getting caught up here, not trying to beat a dead horse… but if we could find out IF anything else was taken that night… some light just might decide to shed.
Hi, Cent! I wondered that, too. But how to find out? There’s a chance something was stolen that Ron or Misty would not tell LE about (gun, drugs, something else). And there’s a chance something was stolen that LE knows about but of course won’t reveal.
well i did hear that a beretta was found in the yard and LE took it in , but thats just heresay and someones gonna call me a rumor monger and the bashing will start , and I want no part of it so thats all I know. It may have been taken from inside the closet and confiscated AFTER police got there so how do we post what we’ve heard and discuss it without any bashing. Since I dont know if thats fact i gues i’ll get bashed. Anyone else heard of anything missing to discuss and not bash?
mel22 I don’t know what the rest of it is about (with FedUp) but I agree with your 9:26 post. I think LE either didn’t know about or didn’t follow up on a lot of leads until it was too late.
LE knew about WBG & Nay Nay in the very beginning mel22. Misty had to tell them because they already knew. It wasn’t publicly known until Kim & Cobra thought they discovered it but LE knew. Misty, Ron, etc had to account for their previous days in detail.
mel22 - To me, unless it is SO horribly defamatory, I think it’s okay to say “I heard this, it’s rumor but…” and as long as we discuss it in that context as part of a theory - to see if/how it works, then it’s okay.
We just need to be clear that it’s hearsay or whatever.
In this case, I don’t know how a gun in the front yard - if there was one - figures into what happened to Haleigh. I doubt a kidnapper dropped it! (although if it was dark maybe they couldn’t find it again - and no I do not want to start the argument about the lights again! LOL!)
If LE confiscated it, that’s okay.
We know Ron had some guns.
Anyway, unless it was recently fired, or a gun registered to someone who should not have been there, then I don’t see a tie in. Maybe I’m missing something.
WS poster, ok LE cant get misty to tell the timeline in question about that night til this very day ,but she gives up those other details right away. Maybe you’re right but, just doesn’t seemlike it from my point of view. If she can lie about the timeline of that night ,then I’m sure she witheld that other info too. But you may be right So ill defer. Touchee!
mel,
I understand the the whole rumor/fact issue. I personally am one of those people that don’t mind ‘discussing” a rumor as long as it’s stated to be just that.
If you think about it, a lot of what IS talked about IS based from rumor mode. We don’t know these “sources” that are giving info to reporters. Just cause some “info” is “free floating” does NOT mean it aint true.
Make any sense???
m2c,
YOU, my friend never disappoints
m2c, to clarify what I heard in the other forum was this: the Beretta was Rons but was found in the yard as if the perpetrator had dropped it, so some were speculating it was possibly tommy or that cousin Joe O.. That was a thread at another forum so i took it with a grain of salt. Thats all , but it heresay as usual.. Just trying to get the discussion going that cent was talking about but i dont think any of us here would be able to find any real info on stolen items so that would ALL be heresay
Totally makes sense cent , but whenever i start discussing rumors then somebody out there will bash and I hate the feeling so I just made for sure to post that I already knew it was heresay to defend from the start.
In the other forum theres a seperate thread especially for rumors so its easier to defend right off the bat bcuz everyone knows when picking that thread.
One of the reasons why I asked… is because I can’t re-call in any interview if the family was asked that question,(besides HaLeigh’s inhaler). I can’t recall if her SHOES were taken. I know there was a childs’s footprint found, but was it a bare footprint. And even that print could have been from earlier in the day.
Didn’t the Ron and Misty give their clothes to LE?
Ok well how about the pink shirt. Whats everyones take. is it possible sghe drugged her to sleep then accidentally od’d so she took off her clothes and dumped her body in the dumpster that cadaver dogs hit on.?
I have always felt that IF Misty did cause harm to HaLeigh “directly” it was an accident.
Now the pink shirt, I have tried to explain that away to myelf.
1. Haleigh peed or somehow got her shirt wet and changed it herself without Misty knowing (hiding it in the laundry pile… for fear of getting into trouble)
2. The intruder took it off her (why)
3. Misty really didn’t know what HaLeigh was wearing.
WS Poster , You’re right, in an art harris article it says” shortly after haleigh went missing page says he sat down with detectinve john merchant….” So now i’m thinkin maybe Cobra was getting second hand info and makin himself look like he was rounding up exclusive info from roaming the crack dens. Touchee once again!!!
It’s ok to discuss rumors, as long as it’s stipulated. As long as someone doesn’t take it and start making continual posts using it as fact to argue and bait other posters. As long as one poster isn’t constantly posting just rumors, with no corroboration, or rumor just being so ludacrous.
Rumors often turn into a fact, but just like factual posts, they shouldn’t be used to get back or be right, or be the only one with the inside track.
I’m not ignoring anyone’s requests about information about ws, I just don’t know how I can be of help other than state my opinions. I have been a member since 2001 before the last big “crash” losing all information. It’s been a place that brought pleasure and sorrow, knowledge and friendships. Waiting to see how this pans out, and sincerely hoping those that have done wrong, will do right and make amends.
Kool Look I respect your post about the WS deal. I just have a problem following the posts about the WS conversations due to having no knowledge at all about what’s being stated. I feel kind of lost and confused lol. I would just like to be able to understand what’s going on. some posters have come here from WS. And that’s fine, that’s great. But at the same time, people like me feel left in the dark that’s all lol.
I remember Cobra stating that Ron had interrupted him and said.. Yeah I already know that she was “screwing” a black guy.. atleast something to that effect.
Yes… folks have tried to pass info off as their own discovery. Just my thoughts tho:-D
theory on the pink shirt, maybe she drugged her to sleep, but then accidently Od’d her with pills so after realizing ,got the shirt off to try to revive her with CPR, after which she probably freaked out and put her in the dumpster and propped the door to make look like an abduction
Question: WBG says his fathere was white; Now that house that he takes care of that old white man, could that be his father or illegitimate father?
Don’t know if his father is around. It’s not that much info out there on WBG… I thought that the guy was a friend or something.
isn’t that house supposedly where the party happened also..makes sense that he would stay there and take care of someone there if they were a relative .. but like you say who knows theres not much info out there about WBG
I was given this link about WBG father and life. IDK if this is true or not.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2GCFL2FW5ZN42
I don’t know the exact place of the parties.. But I, in my own opinion, don’t believe WBG was involved.
theres something with that house anyway bcuz they raided it 8 months later.. whether that has to do with Haleigh…who knows!
Mel,
At this point, you’re right, who knows?
I don’t understand half of the stuff that has happened with them all. I just think that alot of people know more than what they are saying. And I don’t mean just the family or friends. I do mean the people who were there to help.
I think the pink shirt could be important. I also believe they found dna on it that cant be accounted for as well as on the cinderblock.
If a perp took Haleigh from her sleep, she may have taken off her shirt and it may have still been hanging on by an arm and fell as she was being carried out…
Another possibility is that Haleigh may have been wearing the pink shirt that day, and close to bedtime she may have taken off in the kitchen and left it in the dirty clothes pile and only had her underwear on and then went to bed like that.. Misty cud have easily overlooked something like that..or not taken notice…
The other thing is that great grama brought over “clean clothes” cud she have brought a faverite top where Misty didnt even realize she changed? That wud not be unusual for a 5 yr old girl to do.. It is plausible to confuse what your child was wearing to bed too…especially if you didnt change them into pajamas right when they were going to bed, like after a bath…
I doubt Misty died in the house … how wud Misty be able to hide her? SAHe didnt have a vehicle there…Alos, if she was out, anywhere she wud have been seen and someone wud have talked by now with solid facts….
Fed Up You said:
“I doubt Misty died in the house … how wud Misty be able to hide her? SAHe didnt have a vehicle there…Alos, if she was out, anywhere she wud have been seen and someone wud have talked by now with solid facts….”
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Misty didn’t die at all obviously.
Can you please elaberate on this last half please.
I researched via court documents whether Chad E was his bio-dad or not. What I found was that there is another man named with his mother Lookadoo on a child support order from mid 1980s. It should be easy to find. Putnam Couty Public Records seach for Lookadoo. It’s there. You can’t see tha actual document due to it involving a minor child at that time, but you can see both parents names.
HollyG,
Are you talking about WBG?
Fed,
Misty could have had someone with her, that had a vehicle in thier posession that night. No one knows for sure. There have been unsubstantiated accounts of a loud vehicle nearby that night at approx right time frame (2am, I believe) Also there is the account of Jr when he told Mommy that there had been a man in black bouncing the couch that night. I find it odd that most would believe a 4 yr old if they said someone molested them, but have a hard time believing a 4 yr old could give this account. Or that most want to pawn it off as “put into his head by Crystal”.
LE, themselves have stated in the media that they believe that Misty WAS NOT AT HOME THAT NIGHT, anyone with info please step forward. How much clearer do they have to be? Will you only accept it if it’s on video tape at some conveinience store? or would a witnesses statement be enough proof? I’m just asking, not trying to be rude.
I do NOT believe that LE would release that statement if they thought for one minute that Misty was really at home. I also believe they have partial information but are only needing further ocnfirmation. Ie if some came to them and said “Hey Misty WAS at a party that night”
I’d imagine thier first question would be where? and then Any way to prove it? such as store video, other witnesses named, any other proof possible.
Sorry cent, yes Greg Page.
Thanks Hollys Gmom, that puts to rest some questions i’ve been wanting answered for awhile now.
I will double check again to be sure
BRB
9/26/1988 Gregory Lewis Page & Acrilla Lynette Lookadoo Instrument # 109807 It has to purchased to be fully seen but it is my belief that this is the document that names his father, so Is or Isn’t WBGP a jr or not? I was thinking he was but not sure.
unfortunately after I went there i saw the relatives name and when trying to view you have to pay so not sure, but thanks for the info on where to look. for 4.95 i might just do that to see
I just answered my own question. WBGP is indeed a Jr or GLP II. Listed as:
Acrilla Lookadoo and Greg Lewis Page ll
12/27/2005 Instrument 567462
While the previously mentioned documents may be for the same person, they would NOT list him in any legal document WITH a 2nd if it were not true.
so sounds like Chad e. is not relation then , thanks
Hollys GMom, LE didn’t say that they don’t believe Misty wasn’t home. They just asked if anyone has any information on Misty from that night to please come forward. They were even interviewed about Kim P saying she had people who would testify to that and when LE was asked about it, they said that’s what they’d heard too and not one person has come to them with that information. They just don’t know. All they do say is that her timeline does not make sense to them based on evidence and the example they gave was no signs of breaking & entering.
So they don’t know if she was at home alone with the kids, at home with company, out with the kids, or out without the kids. They just don’t know.
I agree that they don’t know WHERE she went, but it is my own personal beleif that they feel assured she wasn’t there at the times she claimed. What other timeline events would be in question? She told:
1)Trip to GGMA home for clean clothes in the AM
2)Time and length A/C guy was there
3)Time Tommy arrived and left
4)That Tommy’s child(ren) were there with him during that time
5)When TN arrived and that she had someone with her, as well as length of visit
6)Time she feed the children supper
7)Time she put the children to bed
8)Time she herself went to bed
9)Time she woke up at and 3 different reasons why
10)Time she realized Haleigh was missing
and not much else. Out of the info listed which would be the most likely to be pertinent to this case? to me, the most important would be 7-10. Why would these times not add up enough for LE to believe she had been elsewhere if she really had been at MH? What’s you take on this?
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090818/ARTICLES/908181004
After multiple interviews over the past six months with Haleigh’s family, including Croslin-Cummings, the Sheriff’s Office bluntly stated officers’ beliefs about the case for the first time since Haleigh disappeared.
“Investigators believe that Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case. She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities,” the Sheriff’s Office reported in a statement.
“Any citizen with direct knowledge of Misty’s activities during that evening or into the early morning is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office,” the news release stated.
Contrary to initial comments from officers that Haleigh possibly was abducted, the Sheriff’s Office reported that evidence gathered so far doesn’t support that theory.
“At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger,” the statement reported.
And the agency said that Haleigh’s biological parents, Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered suspects.”
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“It’s not been a secret the whole way through that she’s made inconsistent statements. We’re just letting the facts out there,” Greenwood said. “We’ve known since day one that she wasn’t telling us everything.”
Greenwood would not elaborate on what parts of Croslin-Cummings’ statements officers are concerned about except that some interviews she gave to news media early in the investigation included inconsistent statements such as details on where Haleigh was placed to sleep that night.
Hollys Gmom, I’m not sure what I believe. I think Junior would remember if he left. Remember that tape Art did with Misty where she said just as she was going to sleep Jr was getting out of bed to go to the other room? I have wondered if Misty just went to sleep & the kids were up. If there is evidence they were-like a different movie in the player, the light on, etc. that would be inconsistent with Misty’s story.
I’m honestly not sure. Junior’s memory immediately after would be interesting to know.
I agree however, I can vividly remember events that occured in my life at age 4. The truely truamatic ones I haven’t reveled to anyone, especially during childhood. Where I’m going with this is, IF Jr knew who took his sister or that she left the home and never returned, he may be in fear that this will also happen to him. Even though LE and others insist that it won’t, it is still a valid fear to a child. Many times we, people in general, like to think that a child that young couldn’t grasp the gravity of the situation. That is not true. He does not have to be told that his sister is never comming back or dead to believe that her abductor/murderer might also do the same to him. I’m not saying that he absolutely does know more, just that it could be possible.
Kool Look,
Once again, we are doing our best to do what we can to find Haleigh! We are true, dedicated people who only care about her. No one else but her!!!
I have stated this many, many times in my post but it seems posters keep questioning it. Good people tiring to do the right thing for a little girl and people keep questioning it.
Why?
There are still good people in this world and my team are just a few of them.
Just to clarify, since misinformation seems to grow legs and morph. Ms Neves was not at the MH that evening with somebody else. It was Ms. Sykes that went to the MH with somebody else to drop off some clothes she had washed.
My thoughts on the time-line that LE seems to not be able to nail down is the time that Misty and the children actually went to sleep and the time Misty actually woke up.
I think it is very possible that Misty did fall asleep before the children and she may have woken up earlier then the 3 something she stated.
LE has never stated that Misty was not at home that night. In fact they have addressed the issue a few different times in the media. When the rumor first came out early on in the case LE stated to media that they had heard that and were investigating it.
Later in the investigation after KP announced she had given LE names of people who could confirm Misty was not home that night, LE told media they had heard KP had said that but they had not received any names and NOT ONE PERSON has come forward that puts Misty out of the home.
So my thought is after 10 months nobody has put Misty out of the house even though many of the players have been arrested and could have used that info as leverage in their own case, and even with a 30,000 dollar reward, and many of the players could use the money.
I believe she was home, and sound asleep.
As far as what Crystal said that Jr said, it is just that, Crystal said Jr said that. LE knows what Jr said when he was first questioned by experts in the field.
Thank you Hangnon. I had thought I might have been confusing GGMA with TN. Sorry for the goof.
I agree with you as to the questions about the timeline and just when certain “events” occured. Bedtime for children, bedtime for Misty (if there was one), exact time Misty awake, and when she realized Haleigh was missing.
This is for all of us, ask yourself this:
If Misty is innocent of wrong-doing why is there any discrepency on the timeline? Why would she report events occuring at a different time then they actually did? What is the statistical probability that Misty awoke meer minutes before Ron arrived home? We’re talking, what, less than a 10 minute timeframe? There was no alarm. If she had been in the habit of taking care of the children, Jr while Haleigh was at school, her internal timeclock alarm would not have been geared to 3:00 (something) am.
I almost can buy that she had to urinate causing her to awaken at that time. Other than that, I can see no reason she would have spontaniously awoken then. Can any of you? I really want to figure this out. It almost seems that if we could just nail down those specific answers this case would unravel and be solved. I know some don’t like to hear it, but Misty IS the key to this investigation.
Question: If Haleigh’s blanket “smelled like pee” why wouldn’t Misty have noticed it before bedtime? If Haleigh had an urinary accident, was she in the habit of hiding it or keeping quiet about it? If so why? Did she fear reprocussions from R &/or M? To me a happy, well treated child would tell M while dressing for school without fear. “I’m sorry, I wet the bed” to be answered with “Oh, honey, did you have a bad dream?” or “Do you feel ok, everything ok?” to be further followed by “Don’t worry Haleigh, I’ll take care of it while your at school today.” I still wonder how true the information about the bus stop slapping is. To me, it sounds very true considering Haleigh was afraid to tell M & R that she had soiled her bedding. If you’ll slap a 4 yr old in the face , FOR ANY REASON, you are a danger to children. I know, those claims are unsubstantiated at this time, but I believe the neighbors and bus driver over Ronald Cummings ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. These people need to be re-interviewed by an unbiased group, organization, or party.
I also want Misty to just tell us why her blanket was in the van and not on thier bed.
Another question, if Tommy came over and couldn’t get an answer at the door it would be logical for him to have tried knocking on the bedroom window to wake her. Even if he didn’t knock on the window, wouldn’t he have noticed that the bedroom windows that had previously that same day been covered are now uncovered? We need to know where street lights are in relation to these windows. We already know that there was a full moon that night. Seems like there should have been enough light to see through an uncovered window. Whether one was inside looking out or vice-versa. There are still so many unknowns!!!
Thank you Lawshrink, I need some assurance right now, after all it’s my Birthday, hehehe
Paws, there will probably be some more sleuthers come and start participating. There’s more details available on line, I don’t want to take away from Haleigh’s discussion here. Websleuthers, are great sleuthers and will add to any forum or blog. The forum is full of great information and wonderful people. A few have overstepped into an area in Haleigh’s case involving themselves in ways inappropriate, using the forum and members, misleading and attacking posts with an agenda to rule and reign the thoughts and information being put out there, they have been busted. Not to mention, Kim, Crystal, and Marie are behind the “Make Ron Look bad, and influence and monitor what others say and post”. So this is directly about Haleigh’s case. Some have made it about themselves instead of keeping it real for Haleigh Girl. There have been posters, and others onto this agenda since day one. Others like myself, were mistreated terribly. All bad deeds will be brought to the light. Personally, I think some have hindered the direct investigation into Haleigh’s disappearance, causing problems for LE, and LE not doing the job they should have. Then you have the un-professional deeds of those reporting the case, not checking sources and concentrating on drama, rumor and gossip. That’s all alot of people cared about. It’s a “Hot mess”, but will get straightened out by good people like you trudging through everyday keeping Haleigh the focus. Stay believing in the good for results concerning Haleigh.
As far as LE, I believe they derived a theory minutes into arriving at the home that night, and won’t budge, tried to make their theory stick and fit, but the shoe won’t slide on. Misty has been the entire focus, a young tender girl, who has been ravaged mercilessly.
Most of us want new eyes on the case, a new beginning, and private investigators to delve into this case, seems we’re getting our wishes.
hangnon - Have we ever found out who was WITH ggma sykes when she “went over at 7 pm with the laundry and saw the kids on the porch eating supper?” I sa ggma Sykes say “WE” in a tv interview about that but have never heard who the other person was. There has been a great deal of speculation about who it was but no confirmation that I’m aware of.
I believe it was one of Ron’s aunts that was with Ms. Sykes. May not be a blood Aunt though.
cent post nov 18th @ 9:41pm. The only thing I have heard that was taken besides Haleigh was Haleighs nebulizer.
It is puzzling why the pink shirt was found in the dirty clothes pile.
On the initial 911 call Misty said Haleigh was wearing a pink shirt and underwear, but 20 minutes later in the police report she said Haleigh was wearing a pink shirt and tan shorts.
In reference to the gun that was found in the drainage ditch it was not on Rons property. Misty describes what happened in the voice analysis test. It has been reported that LE confiscated all fire arms in the home 2/10/09.
The nebulizer being missing from the home was only a rumor and has not been confirmed by LE or the family
Ron’s gun was stolen from the MH prior to HaLeigh being taken. It was believed that cousin Joe was the one that took it. However, the gun was found at Tommy’s in the culvert. Now given what we have since learned about Tommy stealing guns it is very possible, IMO, that it may have been Tommy that took the gun and not cousin Joe as originally believed
Hey,
My question is/was… was something else taken besides the baby? I know the family was ASKED about the inhaler/nebulizer.
I’m just saying that IF something else WAS taken, it just might shed light on the person and the reason why she’s gone!!!!
But let me ask this again…. WAS HALEIGH SHOES MISSING????
Happy Birthday Kool Look……may you have a beautiful day and all your wishes come true.
Lawshrink, I am delighted you and your team are trying to find Haleigh, it’s way past time precious Haleigh was found.
Happy Birthday Kool Look! I hope it’s a good one!
Kisses and Hugs, you guys made my day. I’m on time out over there, LOL but you guys made up for it. My husbands father fell tuesday eve from a work ladder, he’s on life support, going to make decision today what to do, it’s not a happy time, but celebrate anyway as I wait on my hubby from out of town to come and go to the hospital. Think of us and family, and now I may lose one today, but look what I’ve gained just this week! A whole new family, hugs I’ll be in and out, but know you guys will be here keepin it real for this site and Haleigh. Bittersweet day, sweet because of you guys.
Kool Look, Thank you for explaining that to me.
Lawshrink, clap, clap, clap. I am giving you a standing O. Thank you so much for all your efforts. Please totally ignore any gripers.
Kool Look! Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear kool look, happy birthday to you. Now you have something to be thankful for today. I typed that instead of sang it. Because I can’t carry a tune in the bucket. lol
I think My post got eaten lmao.
Kool Look Thank You for explaining the WS to me.
Hangon nov 19th@ 7:12am. You stated that not one person has came forward to put Misty out of the home. There was the waitress that took Tim Miller to the home where she had seen Misty the night Haleigh went missing. She gave accountability to that night to LE. She said she herself went there to buy drugs even though she was on probation and could into trouble. She saw Misty at this house where she was snorting oxycontins and smoking Marijuana and had a threesome. LE did not find her to be credible because she may have been high and not have her facts straight. You can find this on the audio clips by Tim Miller. You also have Joe Pytco so police say signed a sworn affidavit where it also states Misty being out of the home with the children and Haleigh accidently od on oxycontins. I wonder if they found some credibility to his sworn statement due to the fact you now have two different drug addicts stating the involvement with the same drug ‘ oxycontin’. We do not know if the waitress mentioned the children was with her at the time of her testament. IF Misty was on oxycontins and snorting them she would have been wide awake. I know someone that abuses pain pills. When she snorts them it is like snorting cocaine. You can always tell when she has done them. Her eyes are wide- eyed and it is almost like they are glowing other than that she is usually slumped over and can’t walk straight, much less sit up without her head flopping downward it is like she has no control over her muscles. She is truely PATHETIC!! What is your take on this?
Kool, Hapy Birthday
Kool Look
I am so sorry that you and your husband are having to make such an agonizing desicion, especially on your day. I pray that you both will have peace about your decision, which ever course you decide to take.
Hangon , I got the info about the nebulizer through news reporting and it stated that Crystals nebulizer for Haleigh was accounted for, but not the one from Rons home. I had that info saved, but my other computer crashed and I cannot remember which news source it came from to go back and find it.
Kool Look Happy Birthday and My prayers are with you and your family.
I see Tommy has been arrested
looking — can you give me a link to where you read that or point me in the right direction to search for it please, unless it came from AH then don’t bother. Thanks.
Dang, this is why we need this info on the BNN forum! (nebulizer) I have seen it posted and defended many times but can not remember who the referenced source was.
looking, yes I remember the waitress. While I am having my doubts about PCSO I still have to hold on to the belief that if anybody could REALLY put Misty out of that MH she would have been arrested.
LE did follow up on Joe’s story but remember he puts Nay Nay and Greg at the party and participating in it as well. Nay Nay has an alibi and both Nay Nay and Greg took LDT early on. So I think LE has dismissed what Joe has said.
Hangon I wish I could remember the source ,but it was not Arts. It was a news station. I do not believe they are going to find a very credible citizen to come forward with that info. They are not out and about that time of night, unless they are working. Only those who would have been present could place her and they are not coming across very credible. This is so frustrating. I know the citizens in Putnam County are very angry and frustrated as well.
hangnon
Wouldn’t it be LE policy to offer said waitress immunity from prosecution in return for her statement. Think Xanax inquiry and statement given to Yuri by Casey’s friend (I haven’t been to bed yet, so her name is escaping me). She admitted to giving another person her prescription medication but was not held accountable. Even in a case with a person on probation admitting to buying drugs at a certain location. Well, at least they would offer it if they wanted Haleigh found.
Looking
I agree. THere are not too many upright citizens going to be out that time of night unless working or traveling to work. Also, they said ANYONE who can place her outside of the residence. That should include party pals and the like.
I dont think LE expects to have the cream of the crop giving them info. I think LE is more concerned if the information they are giving to LE is credible.
I still have to go back to LE gave Misty several LDT. The question of her leaving the home had to be asked. If Misty was deceptive in answering that question I think LE would have really nailed her on that early on, and would have been much more diligent in trying to find out where she was. Instead they said it was being investigated, and they had not had anybody give them a statement that puts Misty out of the home. I really do not think LE has pursued that avenue because they already know the answer to the question if she was home or not.
Just my thoughts though in trying to figure things out.
I agree with you 100% Hollys Gmom. They need to take that info and use it as leverage. Satsuma is very small as like all the surrounding towns. People hear about everything going on with others there even if they do not know them.
hangnon
I can see it going either way. Either they know she was at home (but why imply that she wasn’t or ask someone to come forward to place her outside residence? To prove that she was because no one came forward? Doesn’t gell to well IMO) or they do believe she was absent but are not really investigating the lead due to various interests involved.
Does anyone else feel a sense of urgency or that the recent documents have started a snowball rolling downhill that within the next few days will end up an avalanche? I hope I am right about that. I hope it means Haleigh will be home soon.
Yes Tommys arrested, again, for assault. Hope it wasn’t on Misty who just got the RO dropped in court. Darn it, Simon, Jan can you check out who he assaulted?
I love my Birthday posts, sniffle. I’m staying strong, especially now. I’ve been thinking, you would have to know my FIL personality, our relationship. LOL I’ve been wondering all day if he’s ready to go to Heaven on my Birthday to meet Jesus and tell on me, hehehehe He doesn’t ever want me to forget him, I never will, Bless his heart and soul. And my buddy pals ON BNN! BNN Rocks!
Maybe this time they will get some information from Tommy that will lead to finding HaLeigh.
Oh Kool Look, A very, very happy birthday to you. This would be the perfect day for HaLeigh to come home.
Kool,
~~~HaPpY BiRtHdAy…. BlEsSiNgS AnD PrAyErS~~~
Happy Birthday, KOOL!!
Prayers with your family today!
I hope you will get some good news today to balance the sad news your family is dealing with!
Have a good day everyone. It is time for me to sign off now. I will check back in tomorrow.
LawShrink I hope you will have something good to share.
I am not a regular poster here although I read most everything you all say. I posted the other day and no one seemed to notice. LOL If they did I can’t waste anymore time looking because it’s taken me all day to get thru less than half of the posts since then.
Anywho, I’ll ask again. Has anyone seen the movie “Gone Baby Gone”? It’s strange because I watched it simply because I couldn’t find anything else on and Haleigh was the first thing to pop into my mind. Strangely similar with a much better ending than what probably REALLY happened, but after watching it, I’m holding out hope that she is possibly alive living with a better family. OK I’ll leave you all alone now. LOL
christy — I did see your post about Gone Baby Gone but I have never seen the movie. BUT many people made the correlation between HaLeigh’s case and the movie early on.
Hangnon.. I agree with you! If Misty was out that night, LE wud have found out by now and wud have concrete information where they cud charge her ..lying to LE and probable cause interfering with an investigation, negligence..the list goes on… If they received information, that suggested she was elsewhere, they wud have been there like —- on a stick. As we saw it was alleged by psycho Joe, that she had been at Chad’s house, they wud have checked Chads alibi, and apparently he had one as they wud have gone looking for evidence of Haleigh being there..prints DNA, even after the fact.
I personally dont believe that LE went to the mondex as a result of that allegation, as it was prolly phoney to begin with this.. Nay Nays letter was wriiten Sep 18 and they were at the pond 3 days before…
I suspect there was some kind of a tip that led them there, but not the so called “affadavit” by Joe….
I am pretty sure that LE believe Misty was home that night and use have used her in order to be their red herring….
If they did in fact get any prints/dna from the MH, maybe its just a matter of time before new prints and dna get added to CODIS to catch the perp. Although, it seems unlikley Somer and Haleigh’s case are connected… dna and or prints may be able to be compared..
Hopefully LE did get some prints or dna from the MH and arent completely empty handed..
christyb, is the movie Gone Baby Gone, one you can rent at the video store? Is it family suitable or adult only? Thanks for the info. Treece
Treece,
You can DEFINITELY rent Gone Baby Gone! It was a wonderful movie with Morgan Freeman, Casey Affleck and Michelle Monaghan.
You can read a brief plot synopsis here on IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0452623/plotsummary
J, thank you for the info. I read the link, sounds like an intense movie.
Fed;
In reguards to this part of your comment above:
“Nay Nays letter was wriiten Sep 18 and they were at the pond 3 days before…
I suspect there was some kind of a tip that led them there, but not the so called “affadavit” by Joe….”
The letter may have been written on that date or someone later wrote that date on the paper as to when it was recieved. There were many who questioned the date as it seemed to be added after the initial writing of the letter.
Also, none of us know WHEN Joe Pytko made his written account. If you’ll check this link you will see that Joe Pytko was booked on 06/18/2009 at 7:35 PM. That is 3 FULL months to the day BEFORE Nay Nay’s dated letter. That would be PLENTY of time to organize the pond search. They probably needed nearly that much time to obtain the search warrents, decide on how to best drain said pond, gather necessary equiptment to do so, ect.
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=754760&IMG=44656
Please look into and see what you think.
It just dawned on me that Joe was released on that occasion on 7/30/2009 1:05:00 PM. He would have HAD to of made his statement between 6/18 and 7/30.
Another thing that I am curious about is this:
1) If he was offered release or lesser charged due to his statement, wouldn’t LE be pretty pizzed if he account turned up no evidence what-so-ever?
2) A release or lesser sentence that was given due to such a statement is CONDITIONAL. It has to “bear fruit” otherwise the agreement is null and void. PCSO could then rearrest him immediately on the charge of SUBMITTING A FALSE STATEMENT to law enforcement personnel.
Now I’m not saying I think his whole account to be 100% true, but there must be some truth in it. For him NOT to be charge with false statement there would had to have either been evidence found during that search OR some thruth(s) contained therein.
Good morning, Birthday was good. Went out and ate Mexican. Yummy for my tummy. LOL
Wow, all the new articles. What’s eatin away at ole Tommy Jr., eh? Somethings going on, I know drugs, but come on, he’s behavior is way over the top these days. Makes me think this way.
With his aggressive violent, don’t give a crap about children, his own children are scared of him, driving the son to school messed up, he obviously doesn’t respect the lives of children. With that said, why would he respect Haleigh Marie Cummings anymore than he would his own blood and name sakes? He wouldn’t. He’s beating up one family member after another. Already has priors of violence reported by Linsay in the marriage.
He’s spiraling down faster, does everyone this it’s just a coincidence? Misty and her family come into Ron, Haleigh and Jr’s lives, within five months a very horrendous crime has been committed with the disappearnace/abduction of Haleigh? I would even go so far to say, if someone removes my child from my home, I will feel a violent attack on me personally, along with my child and family.
Keep Tommy in jail, he doesn’t need to be around his family, and obviously his wife Lindsay is not standing up to th behavior, so she needs someone in authority to help her get the home back in shape, keep the children in a peaceful environment, and that’s what the authorities are for, to intervene in criminal activities perpetrated on the innocent. Their trained and able, not normal innocent citizens. Hope something is being done to support and assist.
Hagnon - Really? I have read hours upon hours upon days upon days of posts about this case and hadn’t noticed anyone mention the movie. I just stumbled across it the other day and wondered why I hadn’t seen anyone make the comparrison. Guess its all about what you catch and what you miss!
Treece - You can rent the movie however I found it on a movie channel on my cable. I find the similarities interesting myself. Really wish the ending would turn out the same. You should check it out.
Thanks for all responses. I love reading everyones insight on the case. I have been following your posts since the 1st on about Haleigh. Very insightful intelligent posters here. (Well the majority of them.. :))
christyb thanks for the info-have a good day!
christyb-027 - The movie’s been mentioned a couple of times but I didn’t comment on it because some people were alredy thinking along those lines and even more important I didn’t want to spoil the ending for anyone who watches it. Now, see I’m commenting onit and I’m tempted to give my opinion of the ending which I should not do. I must stop typing now! LOL!
You know, all the crazy fighting and arguing over Ron and Crystal on blogs, forums, etc. is bizarre. I don’t know anyone who even follows these cases, but forums (according to them) seem to be the pulse of the nation. It’s very hard for me to believe that Crystal’s attorney bothered to fool around with crime forums, but I guess it’s true. Maybe everyone posting is being manipulated and made a fool of by Misty’s attorney. No one even mentions her! She’s the one that LE says is the “key”, the one who had all the inconsistent statements, and was the last to see Haleigh. Everyone carrying on about the parents or grandparents have totally forgotten about that. LE hasn’t thank goodness.
tara, you obviously haven’t read here for very long, so I can see if you are just looking at the last day or 2 you might think that. But believe me no one has been judged, blasted, belittled, criticized and made fun of as much as Misty has. Just FYI.
Treece, No I haven’t read here long and wasn’t talking about this blog or the posters, but the crime shows and probably all the crime forums. If I do read here regularly about Haleigh do I keep reading this blog or are there several? Thanks
Viva- I guess it is just fine with you for Crystal to drive around with Chloe in the care while taking drugs and crashing. Also, having drugs in the baby’s system at her birth. Haleigh was not missing when Chloe was born.
Wake Up. She has put her baby on the line twice. The father said he had custody because she had a drug problem. This is turning out to be the truth. Besides Crystal made such a huge deal about Misty and her drug use, No WONDER Nancy Grace said that was the pot calling the Kettle back. Nancy knows her stuff.
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