Could somebody please tell me what the inconsistencies with Misty’s story is? LE keeps saying that but I still dont know what it is about her story that has changed Thanks!!

The only thing I can come up with as for inconsistancies is this, Misty has told what she knows. But LE seems to think that it’s not consistant with their investigation of “evidence” from the home. I have a feeling that maybe LE did such a sloppy job at the home, that they need to blame someone, so why not blame Misty. It is a fact that people have taken children from homes while the family was sleeping. And stranger things have been left behind that makes LE scratch their heads. Mark Klaas and John Walsh of all people can tell you that. And due to the “inconsistancies” that was left behind, made LE point their fingers at these 2 men for a very long time. Precious time has been wasted thanks to these kind of tactics, and we all know this.

Denise here is some info about inconsistences from two legit news sources (not that that means they’re always right) You may have seen them.

From msnbc on March 13, 2009: “The last person to see a 5-year-old Florida girl before she went missing — who is also the new teenage bride of the child’s father — acknowledged that there are inconsistencies in the stories she’s told investigators, but was unable to say why her account has changed.
On Friday, TODAY’s Meredith Vieira asked 17-year-old Misty Cummings — nee Misty Croslin — if she knows that she changed the story of the night Haleigh Cummings disappeared.
“Yeah,” the young woman said.
Vieira asked why there are inconsistencies.
“I don’t know,” she replied.

And this one is from Gainesville.com (web site of a Florida newspaper) Aug 17
“Investigators believe that Croslin-Cummings continues to hold important answers in the case. She has failed to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities,” the Sheriff’s Office reported in a statement.
“Any citizen with direct knowledge of Misty’s activities during that evening or into the early morning is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office,” the news release stated.
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The last paragraph above makes it sound like LE doesn’t think Misty was home or maybe that someone else was with her at home.

If I remember correctly, there are over 30 hours of interviews with LE. None of Misty’s interviews with LE have been released. As a result of those interviews and the evidence (has not been disclosed by LE), LE knows there are inconsistencies in her story.

In interviews with the media, we can read articles and play back video clips. Some of those commenting offered examples of the inconsistencies to the media (by Misty). Also, I would like to state just because the media reports something does not mean it is true.

One of these days it will surprise us when all interviews, evidence, etc. is made available to the public. To some it appears LE is not doing their job. There are many segments of Law Enforcement involved in this case, i.e. Putnam County SO, FDLE, FBI, etc. You can be assured they are doing their job. You can be assured they may have evidence that only the abductor or murderer (if that is the case) would know about. Due to the circumstances surrounding this case, I understand why LE is keeping info “close to the vest.” To do otherwise, could jeopardize this case down the road.

Small Law Enforcement Departments, such as PCSO, does not have the resources for an investigation of this nature and that is why FDLE and the FBI are involved.

Murders rarely happen in the county I live in but when one does, our Sheriff’s Dept. enlists the help of the Texas Rangers or any agency which can provide the resources that our sheriff’s dept. does not have. We get the best of the best that have expertise in a certain type of crime and they work closely with our local LE.

Actually, I think the last slightly credible witness to have last seen Haleigh was Annette Sykes and that was about 7 or so.

Some of the inconsistancies include that she claims to have done laundry without detergent, she says she was sleeping in the bed but the bed wasn’t mussed up.

Sure, m2c I’ll help ya!

mlee, strange thing Misty said, “And she was riding her bike, doing wheelies, and she was doing great.”

I’m like WTF does THAT mean?

Then you must not move around at all in your sleep cos even if you don’t get under the covers the bed still gets wrinkled. She also (supposedly) had Jr. in the bed .

She keeps failing because she keeps lying.

We do not know everything LE knows, but given all the crapola stories she’s told the media, I can see where LE is coming from.

Wide open back door, propped open by a cinder block. OOOOOhhhhh!!!! Look Everyone!!! IT’S A CLUE!!!!!

Puuuuleeeeease!

A cinder block does not weigh very much, it’s not like she was carrying a slab of granite.

The propped open door was staged.

Why was Ron so hot to get out of that house and live in a tent?

If one of my kids were abducted, then I wouldn’t want to move, if I had any hopes of them coming back.

My youngest son weighs a heck of a lot less than Misty and he can tote a cinder block easily.

This is not a stranger abduction, this is not a familial abduction, this appears to be a cover-up and the reason I think LE is holding back is because they’re watching that other case down the road to see how that one will play out.

And obviously they don’t have crap on Crystal Sheffield or Marie.

They don’t have crap on anyone because if they did, Everyone close to Haleigh wouldn’t be able to leave the county.

Did Elizabeth Smart’s family move after she was abducted?

No, but you’d think he’d want his daughter returned to an environment she was familiar with.

Psychologists have confirmed that people generally behave in certain ways when confronted by stressors and there is a branch of psychology that studies the behavior of criminals and guilty people.

Would you giggle and laugh during a funeral for someone you cared deeply about?

confronted with stressors….hhhmmmmm… Of course there is stress, His daughter has been kidnapped,then he loses his job,and he moves. Yeah, I’d say he’s pretty damn stressed.

He was at work when his daughter was kidnapped.

There are flaws in everyone involved in Haleigh’s life. None of them have the kind of lifestyle you or I would approve of at all. At the same time, every single one of them have been raised in this lifestyle.

Why are you asking if I would giggle or laugh during a funeral? Of course I wouldn’t.

I have a few questions too.

Why would Crystal move 2 hours away from her children, instead of staying close by them, and even watching them while Ron was at work?
Why didn’t she pay child support for her children, even if it was 5 bucks? Why did it take so long for her to get to Ron’s when she was notified about Haleigh missing?

We could go on and on about all of this, seriously. But until we have evidence/proof, no one is going to get anywhere and no one is going to budge of what they feel,think,believe.

Legalities. Fear of compromising the case. Fear of the media circus as in Orlando.

What did Quantico have to say about it?

How can you comprimise a case if you have evidence?

I don’t know why the first two video links didn’t come thru. I will try another way of getting them for you. The third one worked.

FACTS:

1. Ron was at work, verified by clock-in (hand scan)

2. Ron stopped at a convenience store, verified by store video

Any verified cell-pings, phone records?

You can compromise a case if you let the public know too much about the evidence. The defense will jump on that saying their client can’t get an impartial jury.

Polly, we have seen more than enough evidence in Casey Anthony’s case, okay. And to be honest with you, it took me a very long time to even think about throwing Casey under the bus. It also took a very long time for me to throw Cindy and George under the bus. But when the “EVIDENCE” was put in our faces like it was, the upteen million pages, There is enough evidence to put her to death.

No one has seen any evidence in Haleigh’s case.

I was talking about, how can you compromise a case if you have the evidence to put someone in jail.

Example: You claim Misty put the cinder block at the back door. Well if that were true, they’d have evidence of that and therefore they could put her in jail for the “inconsistancies” because the evidence would show she put the block there, then tried to cover it up and lie about it. When a missing child is involved, they don’t take lightly to that and they will throw your butt in jail for that.

Didn’t you think Casey’s behavior was strange? Not reporting her child missing for 31 days? Lying to LE about everything? Not cooperating with the investigation? Still claiming to this day that Zanny took Caylee? RED FLAGS!!!!

Door propped open RED FLAG

Can’t remember details RED FLAG

Story changes every time she tells it RED FLAG

Pointing the finger at others RED FLAG

Fake crying (watch the voice stress analysis) RED FLAG

Making weird remarks, ie “She was riding her bike, popping wheelies and SHE WAS DOING GREAT”
RED FLAG

I would be interested to know what the profilers in Quantico have to say about this.

You say, What evidence is there to claim a kid-napper did?

I will ask the same thing, What evidence is there to claim Misty did?

We haven’t seen the evidence.

We have only seen the lifestyle they live. That’s it.

This is one night I want comment,none of us have the answers.The only thing we can be sure of is she is still missing and we all have come to love and care for her and only want her to be returned.Hopefully alive.At this point if the person or persons that took her,would at less find away to tell if she is dead where to find her,if she is alive just drop her off some where with a note on her who she is and let her go home.If this person or person can live the rest of their lives with their guilt then fine.If you took her out of love then love her enough to let her go.What ever the case just do what is right.That is all I can say at this point.

Sorry, should be agencies.

C’mon let’s get some facts posted

1. Ron was at work

Misty’s sister-in-law, Timmy’s wife said they were there, when LE made Ron and Misty, both, go in the back room. They had to give LE everthing they were wearing, even their underwear. I am sure LE knows, if Misty or Ron was carrying that cinderblock around. Of, course, Misty would have had a chance to change clothes.

NG asked TN what Misty had on when she got there that night, and TN said she had on a pajama top and shorts.

I am sure after testing those clothes, LE knows something about what they were doing that night.

Exactly, After 9 months of nothing, it’s to the point for me that LE needs to put up or shut up about Misty.

BTW, I haven’t picked any sides. I just feel they need to dig dirt up on someone else for a bit.

PAW69, From the very first, when I saw Misty, I thought 1. That girl looks scared to death
and 2. She’s involved.

I’ve been raising kids for 21 years, and I can tell when one is lying. My kids were not always the most angelic creatures on the planet and I’ve always told them that their behavior brings consequences.We can pity Misty for her crappy upbringing but we cannot justify or excuse her lying.

that #1 fact is the only fact we can count on.

Well, the video from the store too.

Yeah, video from the store, what time did it give?

To Be Continued…….

G’nite all

LE said they have 2 pings from Ron’s cell phone coming from his place of work that night, and they feel sure he was there his whole shift.

In the above link, I know WBG is lying about some things, because he contradicts himself on some other interviews he did.

What really struck me about this tape was what Major Bowling said about Misty not being home that night. He said there were 2 or 3 viable theories, and Misty not being home that night fits with one of them.

LE doesn’t let out much, but this video tells us something about what LE is thinking

Hey guys!

I’m back, LOL! I just wanted to remind everyone that we are currently building a database of information on this case here on the BNN Forum (just click forum link at top of page). We have a link called Actual & Factual for ONLY facts. Either LE Docs, Maps, Statements by Ron, Misty, Crystal, ect in thier own words (with breif synopsis for each for quick reference-comming soon!) Then we have Media links (also with synopsis-coming soon!), as well as theory threads per each specific theory, and rumor thread for the info that slips out but has yet to be confirmed (don’t count this out folks as I have seen many times a rumor turn to fact overnight).
If you are tired of the old back and forth of “Who did what” then won’t you join us inside the forum to help correlate these facts. If not for yourself, then for those who are yet undecided or asking questions.
We already have links to the PCSO arrest log, the PCSO scanner and codes list, a color coded list of “players” per familial relation, link to the 911 call, the original police report and more. We will be adding much much more in th comming days. Stop by and lend a hand or just peruse the forum.

I agree with DKerr.
Secondly I am a single mom and my ex husband lives in a different state but he does pay child support. There are parents who doesnt live in the same area’s as their child and some dont or do pay child support. I dont know why they dont but justice isnt taking for those who doesnt oh a slap on the wrist licenses taking away big deal do you think that is going to keep them from paying child support.

I dont know why Crystal didnt pay child support but didnt I read some where where that she is caught up in her child support. If she was to take one child wouldnt you think she would have taken jr as a mother I am sure she would want both children just not one. The whole thing doesnt make no sense to me.

As for Casey she was guilty from the start she made her self look that way. Misty does to at some point and so does Ron. He married right away, he moved out of his house, he goes to the store after fighting with Misty to buy smokes and beer. The whole story is too fishy and pisses alot of people off cause all we want is for this precious little child to come home. Cause we the people care and love this child that much.

I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind about Misty but she still claims that she didn’t fail the polys when LE and Tim Miller say she did. The fact that she would even keep submitting to them says to me that something is fishy. Does she think she can “beat” the machine? That if she keeps taking them she will somehow figure it out and LE will leave her alone? Did she forget to study for the test? ha!
I don’t know if this qualifies as full blown inconsistency but there have been several different stories about other people who were in the house that night. Either as invited guests or shadowy “dream” figures. A lot of things went on that night but Misty is not forthcoming about any details.

gatorgirl, you mentioned that Crystal is caught up on her child support. At the time of Haleigh’s disappearance, she owed Ron $12,000 (I assume for both children). And she was facing a hearing about it and possibly jail time for not paying it (just like a dead-beat dad would).

But a “good Samaritan” from Texas, I believe, a perfect stranger, paid the child support off.
That is VERY strange to me and I hope LE looked into that woman. But I assume that child support would still be owed for Jr (I don’t know) even if it is temporarily suspended for Haleigh (which I don’t know if it is)

Can anyone help me out on a few things?

Is this a Fact or Fiction?
1. Did Ron work an extra hour overtime at his boss request the night Haleigh went missing?
2. Is the Store Ron went to after his house or before his house on the way home?
3. How far is the place where Ron works from his house?

Lawshrink:
Trying to help here. I do not know about an extra hour only that I believe Ron got off work at 3:00 am. The convenience store is after wherever he’d turn off to go home so he did go out of his way to go there. And for the last question, I heard it was something like say 30 minutes and that considering the time he was at the store he must have shaved a good 10 minutes or so off that. BUT I know when I go somewhere in the daytime with traffic, lights, etc. it often takes me much longer than it does very late at night with no traffic, (and I might drive at a faster speed too).
Sigh. There doesn’t seem to be much that we can hang on to as absolute fact.
Even the “fact” that Ron was at work is hotly disputed.

Thank You M2C
I try to write a fact timeline but there seems to be different stories from the same people.
(Having worked with S.O. in the prison system for way to many years I even want to count.) None of what has been available as facts in that night is the way any S.O. would perform an abduction. Not saying that one did not, but so much of it is not how they do things.

Is this a Fact or Fiction?
1. Was laundry going in the washer when LE showed up?
2. If laundry was going, why did Ron say she could not do laundry without soap?
3. If laundry was going what was in it?

Lawshrink: I’m not sure where I heard this but I believe that what Misty described Haleigh was wearing was found either in the washer or dryer.

Also I’m not sure it was Ron who said she could not do laundry without detergent. It’s been reported that there was no detergent and therefore (some bloggers say) that she could not have been doing laundry. However, other bloggers say, sure she could - with dish soap or some other thing or even nothing. Many have had to do that when they ran out of detergent. So that’s another thing that isn’t conclusive.

Thank you again M2C, Very good Questions.
Is this Fact or Fiction?
1. Who started the laundry if Misty went to bed at 10 pm and the L.E. was there at 3:40 am?
2. Were there blankets on the back railing of the ramp that were off Haleigh bed?

Lawshrink, I don’t have the answers to your two questions at 10:07. And I’m not sure where I read that the washer or dryer was running when LE got there so it could be fiction.

But as far as Misty being afraid of Ron, before Haleigh went missing they were just shacking up.
I’m sure there were other underage girls Ron could have dumped her for anytime he wanted to.

AFTER Haleigh went missing things could have changed. One reason might be because Haleigh went missing on Misty’s watch. Another is that Ron thought Misty had something to do with it. Another is that Ron had something to do with the disappearance and would pressure Misty to follow orders to cover it up “or else.”

Lawshrink: Another possibiilty is that Ron WAS mad at her for going off on the three day drug binge. Maybe Misty did that to get back at him for something OR to get the drugs she wanted.
Maybe Ron wasn’t supplying them - at all or as much as she wanted. Maybe Ron expected her to buy her own drugs. And that would explain why she wanted to babysit someone else’s kids (IF that story is true).

If it is true then it’s a good question. WHY would she want to babysit someone else’s kids? For the money? To show Ron she refused to be his live-in babysitter? To have some independence? I don’t know.

The bedroom had two matresses. The largest one was pushed against the window which Miaty claims to have taken a blankiet from to cover herself and the little boy with.

There’s at least two feet between the doorway and the bed Misty claims she was sleeping in. There is a living room and small hallway on the other side of that bedroom door.

Light from the kitchen could not have glared in Misy’s eyes when she awoke, but if the tv was on Misty should have been able to clealry see that Haleigh was ot on the matress in front of the bedroom doorway.

Police probably figured out right away that her ‘when I woke up’ story was bogus. She saw the kitchen light was on, but didn’t notice Haleigh wasn’t on the mattress in front of the doorway?

She couldn’t miss seeing that mattress when she walked out the door, as it was right there in front of the door way. Not on the otherside of the room, but right there in front of the doorway.

But, for some reason her story is that she saw the light but not that Haleigh wasn’t on the matress.

Well, that’s BS because the light would have illumiated Haleigh’s mattress, not Misty’s eyes.

Art Harris does have video clips titled Haleighs last day 1-4. you can listen to witnesses accountability of that day yourself. Just click on previous post until you reach the ones you want to listen to. Ron is Haleighs last day scene 1.

She refused to do the re-enactment with Cobra, and for good reason. Her BS about the kitchen light would have been ‘glaringly’ obvious.

‘Going to the potty’ didn’t work after people brought to her attention that going to the potty furthest away from the bedroom didn’t make sense.

Probably drinking cups in the bathroom off the master bedroom, so ‘getting a drink’ had to be canceled too.

m2c, her third, and final version is that the bright kitchen light was glaring. Watch the polygraph video where she emphasises the brightness of the kitchen light.

Cobra would have nailed her on the re-enactment. That’s why she did not do it.

I’m not arguing so please know that. It’s just that I don’t understand how Ron and family can say he picked up Haleigh at the bus stop if witnesses have already said Misty did. Why would they do that? No point in it really. And it makes double no-sense to say that if he or someone else also says he was at work so early.

So I’d like to know for sure that Ron and fam said those things (did they say them on a TV interview I’m assuming?) But where are we getting the info about what the witnesses (at bus stop and work) are saying.

I guess it’s difficult for me to believe someone can be THAT stupid. But we all know that IS possible (thinking of other criminal cases - the dumbest criminals kind of thing! LOL!)

I guess my thought is - if Ron had any part in staging this I think he’s seen enough bad movies to make the door or the window look broken into and maybe even rough up Misty or tie her up or something.

m2c, I nver thought you were arguing.I totally understand where you are coming from. It was on Nancy Grace within the last month that he arrived 30- 45 minutes prior to his shift.Art Harris also posted his work time and here on BNN I believe 4:00pm - 12:00pm. I too am baffled why lie about something so simple. The witnesses all said Misty was driving the blue van that day. Do you think maybe they thought they might find something in that van? Just wondering.

Hi, gatorgirl!
I did not know that Ron had not paid when Crystal had the children. I hope the court would have deducted the amount he owed her when starting to have Crystal pay him.

What I don’t understand is why some people (not necessarily you. I was just reminded of it) just about have kiniption fits when any mention is made that could be regarded as negative about Crystal. I just don’t understand that.

m2c you can go to Art Harris web site and listen to two witnesses speak about that day as well. It is titled Haleighs last day ans series 1&2 have Ron on them. I just go down and hit previous until I go back far enough to find what I am looking for. I have to leave now it is almost time to go and get my son from high school. I have always driven my kids to and from school. My girls are graduated and married with a daughter each their own. My son is the only one left in the nest. I use to work nights and my husband worked days. Well catch up tomorrow.

Vaquera, Just to answer you before I sign out. Ron said he could no longer go live back in that home after Haleigh went missing. He did not lose his Job until April I believe. Just wanted you to know.

Opps!! Discuss

Did LE investigate thoroughly the landfill where Ron’s trash is dumped?
I remember the dogs alerted to something in the dumpsters. Haleigh could have been thrown away just like Somer Thompson. And, with all the time that has gone by, they know she will never be found.

Is there anyway they can go back to the landfill or is it too late? Just a idea…

Hi, gatorgirl! I don’t like the arguing or fighting either. I don’t know what happened to Haleigh and I don’t blame one person or another.
I am still open to all possibilities. So far I don’t see why not - in spite of LE seeming to have closed all possibilities other than Misty.

Maybe LE is right. But until we know more I just don’t like closing ANY doors.

The other thing is that not one of us or any one of them is perfect or all bad either. But by gosh on some blogs if you say “Ron wore an ugly shirt today” all heck rains down on you. Or if you say anything - even a question - about Crystal then all heck rains down from another group of people. That makes no sense to me.

If we really want to know what happened to Haleigh shouldn’t we still be looking in all directions? Especially when most of what we like to think we “know” we DON’T know for a fact. And I apologize to those who back LE 100% but I don’t know enough to know if they’ve done a perfect job of this yet either. So far a LOT is still possible.
Also, whenever I do start leaning toward one person I remember a case where it looked like it was an SO but it was a family member or it looked like a family member and it was an SO etc.
So knowing how those things turned out makes me less inclined to condemn someone - especially considering what we DO NOT know.

Molly, I don’t know if they did a thorough job - I am assuming that they would - but yes LE searched where the garbage from that area was dumped two days after Haleigh went missing.

LawShrink..yes there is a dec.rose.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

lawshrink,
to your question the name is

Capt. Steve Rose

It was acknowledged in the Anthony case that while the shows usually did not “pay” for the interviews; the customary “work-around” was to pay licensing fees for pictures and videos. Even Roy Kronk got a payment for a picture of a snake located near the sight where Caylee’s remains were found.

It seems Ron and Misty both do not have any current source of income.

Hi, Everyone!

Just wanted to drop in for a few minutes. I read some of the comments (not all of them) and agree with Karon Cox. This site could be awesome if Links to media sources were posted (not other blog sites). Jan and Simon have worked hard to provide this site and have made it User “friendly” and they offer a weekly live radio program every Sunday. They have done their part.

Now it is up to those commenting on this board to take it to the next level and make this site informative based on fact. I am real involved in another site and it is an exceptional, updated, informative site with wonderful “members” or folks that comment.

I do not intend to offend anyone on this site. Like Karon (I think) pointed out things are hashed out over and over and then arguments result because there is not supporting articles.
This is not verbatim and Karon did not use those exact words but that is what it amounts to. Sometimes when I come here to just read the comments, I do not stay long because there is not supporting links to the comments but yet there is arguing among some folks. Also, an issue is being discussed over and over and sometimes day in and day out. My thoughts are, “Wow, you can’t beat a dead horse to death.”

There are some really sharp people on this site and I know this site can be taken to the next level!

Links from main stream media, i.e., TV stations, newspapers, will give everyone an opportunity to read it “first hand” or view a video. I know there are many that may read this site and not post. I read this site off and on for several months before I decided to post a comment here. If everyone would share information via Links to media, there could be some great discussions and not speculation. I think there would be minimal argument.

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion and I would hope “agree to disagree” without name calling, anger, ganging up and attacking a person, etc. Granted, like every site, a person will come on board and try to ruin a site. Even the site I am involved in…..that happens sometimes. Does not last long because the “members” poof the person away and usually the site owner blocks them from coming on the site again.

I suggest you post Links. An attorney friend of mine told me nearly everything is copyrighted and when posting a link, credit has to be given. Here are two examples:

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/102909/news_102909_035.shtml
St Augustine Record St. Augustine, Fl.
10-29-09 12:16 a.m. EDT

“E-mail address accepts tips on HeLeigh Cummings” (I know Haleigh is misspelled but I posted it exactly as is on the Link)
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http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/10/28/new_email_address_for_haleigh_tips.html?refresh=1
CFNews 13 Jacksonville, Fl.
10-28-09 8:35 p.m. EDT

“New E-Mail Address for Haleigh Tips”
Article and Related Stories available

(If there was a video too, I’d state Article & Video - Related Stories)
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In addition to copyright concerns, the above Links tell you the source, date, time and what the article is titled. Rarely will I click on a Link if I do not know the source. I am very careful what I click on to. As we all know, there are some unsafe sites on the Internet!

The above is just my opinion and constructive suggestions. Like I said, some of you have been on this site for a long time (when I was only a reader I noticed) and there are new people visiting this site. I suggest make them feel welcomed so they will want to be part of this site. If you see a new poster, it would be nice to say, “Hi, Abc, welcome to our site. Thank you for your opinion. We appreciate your thoughts and opinions.” or just a “Hi, Abc, welcome to our site!” If a person does not feel welcomed or acknowledged, they will not want to be part of this site.

In my opinion, it is sad that in the past few weeks, Simon & Jan had to shut a thread down! Wow, everyone are adults (I assume) and certainly can respect one another. If a disruptive person comes on this site, ignore the person and I would e-mail Jan if you feel it is something she needs to be made aware of as soon as possible.

There are pros on this site and with everyone sharing info via Links…..this site could be awesome! I am a “based on fact” person and I love sites that have Links I can click on.

Once again, if I have offended anyone by all of the above, I apologize.

Still one more thing: I just watched the Greta interview (for the first time with sound!) and Misty says there that her brother and his kids came over about 5 and stayed for 30 minutes. Then on the voice stress analysis she says all the kids played out in the yard for about an hour then came in and watched videos. This is also where she makes the comment about Haleigh doing great.

Interesting how the story changes.

And did not Misty say that Jr. would get up at night sometimes and wander around the house?

LINKS WANTED

Mary Brooks’ 911 call about Ron driving around in her apartment complex parking lot.

Crystal Sheffield has a seizure while driving.
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Also someone named Rose connected somehow to WBG or to Nay Nay. Anybody remember?

Rose Concrete Company in Satsuma?

Justice, I agree with you and Karon and others about finding factual information and providing the links etc.
The problem that remains is -especially with this case - that some people don’t believe the info! So a “fact” becomes debatable.
And that’s the key really. Is to be able to DEBATE and discuss instead of argue and berate (insult and attack).
It’s the attitude that counts. Is it positive and well-meaning? Open, patient with others’ opinions? Or is it “my way or the highway?”
We have to stop feeling insulted because someone does not agree with us.

I can’t believe you’ve been reading this site very long considering the last part of your post. This used to be a very friendly, welcoming site with people saying “Hi” and greeting newcomers. It did not stop the nastiness.
It helps though!

ANd as far as citing sources for links. Links ARE sources. No more info is needed. The link isn’t telling us anything other than where to go for info. And when you go there you’ll find who published it and wrote it etc. So I don’t think any additional info is needed for a link. I don’t want to make fact finding more cumbersome for people.

If someone quotes something from an article, that’s different. If I said, Ron said in an interview, “Blah, Blah,” then I should include the source which is usually the LINK directly to that article or just say go to wftv.com where they can find it on the Home page. Of I’d name the newspaper and author etc.

A while back, on this site, a blogger posted a quote from an online source and I asked for the name of it so that I could go to it (where often there are videos to see, more info etc) plus I mentioned that it would be nice to give appropriate credit. The response I got was basically “go to ….”

So again. It’s our ATTITUDE toward each other that really counts. That makes this board a nice place to be - or not. IMO

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-somer-thompson-haleigh-cummings-case-103009,0,4620465.story
Orlando Sentinel Orlando, Fl
10-30-09 6:36 p.m. EDT

“Somer Thompson is mourned; Haleigh Cummings is still missing” Article

Justice said
Cindy does post there I have personally read some of her blogs. Always defending Casey and putting bloggers down.

Hey y’all!

Here’s a shout-out to Cindy Anthony:

Cindy, you said when the truth came out and Caylee was found, Casey would probably win Mother Of the Year.

Ummm…….Would that be in the Bizarro Universe?

m2c (8:23 p.m.)

There are some people in this world who will argue for the sake of arguing. If something is red they will argue that it is white! I don’t know about you, m2c, but my time is more important than arguing with someone who disputes a known fact. If I were you, I would not waste my time arguing with someone when you know something is a known fact.

I know people in my community that are “my way or the highway”. I am civil to them when I see them but I have no desire to be around people like that. Life is too short!

I read this site for about 6 months, i.e., the articles written by Jan and Simon and would read some of the comments. Sometimes the folks are friendly and sometimes not so friendly. You are right when you say this site use to be a very friendly, welcoming site (not verbatim). Use to…that is the key. In the past 6 to 8 weeks, sometimes it is friendly and sometimes not friendly. I guess the goal would be to strive for consistency.

Regarding Links, sources, articles, videos or whatever, a person should do what they are comfortable with. Please see my 9:36 p.m. comment to Brett. I mentioned it in my 4:39 p.m. comment without specifics because I am not an attorney and did not want to get engaged in a legal debate. I am not qualified.

Yes, attitude and respect go a long way! During the 6 months when I was a reader, sometimes the camaraderie on this site was awesome! Some of the LOL (laugh out loud) comments were great….I could not quit laughing.

You and I know there are some great people on this site. Some are Pros (I am not one of them yet - LOL) and can find Links to info in seconds. Some have great thoughts and opinions. Everyone has something to contribute provided it does not become argumentative!

So, m2c, you have identified what you feel are problems on this site and I bet you and others will come to a workable solution. I know you have been on this site a long time.
Later…..need to go!

Tommy Croslin said in an interview that he would take a polygraph. Why hasn’t LE given him one?

M2C:

I told one person that kept being so combative, that I would not read their comments or respond to their comments to me, until they softened their tone. If we all will do that when someone is so combative, they will stop being that way, because they don’t want their comments just hanging out there in the air and not being read.

Everyone should be able to express their opinion without being cut down.

artharris.com has an article about Tim Miller that you might want to read. Tim Miller says that he is going to come back to search some more for Haleigh. He feels that Haleigh is dead, but he says he will come back to search for her. I knew he would. He just got discouraged for awhile. Having lost a daughter himself, his feelings get a little overly emotional sometimes. He comes around, when he is needed, however.

Hi folks,just came on to check for anything new,but nothing,and I started reading what everyone has posted,sometimes I just don’t understand why people have to get so upset over things when is the whole of it all Haleigh’s blogg family wants her found so bad,and it seems we care more than her real family.So who gives two cents about the child support.To be honest both parents seem to lack the ability to get it together.What this one or that one owes has know bearing on anything.It is as if someone is saying she did something because she owed child support,then why not get rid of both children,that ends the support problem right.Well Jr is still around.To be honest I have belived from the start that both Ron and Misty has had something to do with Haleigh’s disappearing,but as of late I don’t know anymore.You would think with all the fuss that one of them would break by now.At this point I would just like to see her found one way or the other.It would be so nice if she is alive to see her sweet little face on TV,smiling and happy.I have come to love that child and just want answers and all the arguing to stop.Please pray.Now as for the child support,I have raised 4 grandchildren now for 16 years more or less,the father has paid his support and if he gets behind he gets in trouble,his wife has not paid but 17 dollars in as many years,she owes me around $40,000.00,and nothing is done to her.But one thing is for sure,these children are well cared for and loved,and know money in the world could give me more joy than the love of these children.Sure money would help but if people would stop and think maybe Crystal is like the rest of us right now,out of work and broke,but I am sure she loves those children as much as Ron and know dollar amount could lessen the pain she feels.And really Ron should be working too,and he should of called his boss,maybe the boss was looking for a reason to let him go anyways.Funny how beer and smokes,were so important at 3 am,and not getting home to check in on the children.At 3 am I would rather get home and into the bed.But then that is me.Well my blogg family I am going to bed.you see it is Halloween and I just checked out the names and address’s of the sex offeners in my area and am so upset as how many live so close to me and their homes are decor. and ready for our children,so first think at morning light I call the LE.I seen their pics. and it scared me so bad I can’t sleep tonight.Put them on an Island with know way off.Good night

justice

thank you for the information on posting sources and links. i was considering contacting a attorney about the legality of posting links. i remembered art harris on the radio show (s.&j.b.)saying it is alright to share info as long as you credit the source. i still was not confident. i do agree with you and karon about this site. there are some thoughtful people here. i am looking forward to learning how to use the forum being set up with sourced information. i believe that will, move the conversations to a new level. you have good advice. thank you ms. p

Justice hun, there is no one gong to sue you for copyright infringement if you post a link to a site. Links are just addresses to content on the web.

Links are not copyright protected, hun. they’re just addresses.

Hun, search engines like google use links - url addresses. In fact, the addresses you post can also be adressed as just a series of numbers.

Please don’t feel you have to go to the trouble of posting dates and author names when you post a link. If you want to include that information, fine, but really, hun, there is no need for it.

Really, it sounds silly to say professionals told you that you need to protect yourself when posting an address to content that is presented on the http://www. Now, if you were posting links and passwords to INTRANETS, you very well could find yourself in hot water, but what you’re doing is just posting the addresses to INTERNET sites; you are not posting passwords to secure pages.

All you’re doing is giving addresses, internet addresses where readers can find articles to read.

Citations are not included with links. Citations are used at the end of printed or html documents to indicate the sources of information in an article you wrote.

Your comments are appreciated, though hun, and you make good points, and write clearly.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

You’re doing a good job, but I just hate to see you making it more complicated than it really is.

There is nothing to be afraid of, you can never be sued for copyright infringement because you posted a link to an internet site.

One thing, Justice: You don’t want to ever post an individual’s email address for invasion of privacy reasons. Don’t post it, even if you find it on a web page.

If you should decide to write an article, you’ll want to choose a format for citing your sources. The APA or MLA styles are two of the most frequently used.

American Psychological Association Style:
http://www.apastyle.org/

Modern Language Association Style:
http://www.apastyle.org/

Justice, yes, you do what you think its best. I just want to point out that some of the information you are putting below the links is already IN the link. For example, the name of the publication or news site (Ex: OrlandoSentinel) and the date (Without hyphens).
The date is unnecessary,too, I believe because if they revise or update that article the link should take us to the most recent one.
It just isn’t necessary to do this with links.

This is a shout out to TREECE!!!! Where are you? Are you okay? I have not seen you in a few days.

Treece is one of the nicest people on this blog -by which I mean understanding of different opinions and very helpful in “keeping the peace.”

I sure hope she’s not gone elsewhere!

seems like misty would have been arrested for hindering an investigation…by now.if she were from any other county her lies would have reserved her a bunk in jail and on her lying way to the BIG HOUSE!!!!!!JUST THE SITE OF HER AND RON MAKES ME WANNA PUKE!!!Why in the heck would Ron say she had no inconsistances in her story when in the first interveiws she said Haleigh was in bed with her and that she got up to get a drink of water,then to use the bathroom,then lied and told the v.a. guy she woke up out of a dead sleep. LIAR LIAR. IMO rON ONLY DIVORCED MISTY TO MOVE THE FOCUS OFF HALEIGH ONCE AGAIN OR BCUZ OF HOW PPL TALKED BAD ABOUT HIM FOR DEFENDINFG HER LIES.IMO RON IS GUILTY AS ANYBODY ELSE TELLING CRYSTAL KEEP HER MOUTH SHUT.THREATS FROM A CLOWN!!!! MAKES ME WONDER WHAT IS PCSO REALLY DOING?

hello everyone,
on the america most wanted site - case tab
a lot of info. i copied some of the info here, because, i have read people having different statements here. but, if you are new to reading, you might find whole article interesting.
Last updated: 05/14/2009
http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=63252
- ronald says they lived in m.h. 4 months.
- ronald usually works 4p.m. to 3a.m.
- ronald said they only used back door twice in 4 months.
- St. Johns River, located only 400 yards from the front door of Haleigh’s home
- Inv. Merchant said there are conflicting witness statements over whether or not the back door was locked.
- police confident a.c. guy not involved — Inv. Merchant said he was questioned within an hour of the disappearance and provided a solid alibi
- pink shirt Haleigh was said to be wearing had been recovered on Feb. 18, 2009
- Feb. 25 a child protection team interviewed Haleigh’s brother, Ronald Jr.
- Misty originally told police that all three of them were sleeping in the same bed, according to Inv. Merchant.
- Ronald said Misty and Junior were in one bed and Haleigh was sleeping in another, a few feet away.
- timeline back to a month before haleigh’s disappearance and talk with anyone who may have had contact with the girl during that time.

FedUp - I agree and rumors spread like wildfire about everyone in this case not just LE.
To me theories are fine. But pretending a rumor is fact is not. We can take a rumor and see how it fits into a theory but it still has to be recognized as a rumor.

And D Kerr, IF we want her found so badly I do not understand why we don’t consider ALL possibilities! Why not? Seems some people have made up their minds and that’s it. Maybe they are right and maybe not. What if they’re not?
Is hanging Ron and/or Misty going to bring back Haleigh? Nope. But continuing to investigate EVERYTHING might! Who knows, there might be a clue found elsewhere that clinches it for Ron or Misty. But no. Some people won’t hear one negative word about Crystal even though it’s a FACT!
You said it yourself: YOur grandchildren’s “father has paid his support and if he gets behind he gets in trouble,his wife has not paid but 17 dollars in as many years,she owes me around $40,000.00,and nothing is done to her.”
Pointing out that Crystal owed $12,000 is a factor to be considered. It may not be her fault. She may not ever have had a dime to contribute. BUT if the roles were reversed Ron would be lynched by now. And if someone wants to back up and take a fresh look at the situation one thing that has to be considered is the money angle. Who benefitted financially? Crystal did.

That may not have anything to do with what happened to Haleigh but when a child is missing that kind of thing HAS to be investigated and I hope that LE has done so. But to me - not knowing everything LE has or has not done - it seems that Crystal’s side has had preferential treatment from the start. Why is that?

I am not saying Crystal did it. I am saying that someone connected with her MAY have. I don’t know enough to decide. Just like I don’t know enough for sure to decide that Ron or Misty did. And please don’t bash me for that. It puts me right where LE is - they don’t have enough to arrest either one of them either.
All I’m hoping is that they really truly have investigated EVERY possibility.

7. Crystal’s allegations that Jr told her a man in black, or a black man, or a black man in black with squeaky shoes took his sissy. Did LE interview Jr when he was at Crystal’s? If not, why not? Did Jr really say that? Did Crystal make it up? If so, why? Was she feeling left out of the media blitz?

8. Do employees at PDM have to clock out for breaks? How many breaks per shift? How long are the breaks? What time are the breaks for each shift? Are employees allowed to leave during breaks? When was the hand scan installed?

All above can be answered/verified by PDM HR manager

mlee, not to be inflammatory or anything, where did Ron state that he feared for Jr’s safety?

Don’t take my question the wrong way, as I’ve stated before, I had no sound on my computer and I don’t have a TV so my only source of info was what I could read, and a lot of it was redundant and not very informative.

m2c, Yes I agree with you! I’d choose the witnesses, but that makes me wonder about Ron’s involvement and a possible cover up.

Another thought: Was Ron’s whole story about how he picked Haleigh up at the bus stop and let her sit in his lap on the drive home a fantasy on his part? How he would have liked it to be instead of the reality? How he wishes it was instead of some awful tragedy?

OK I looked at the AMW site, kudos to Ms.Peridot, and frankly I’m going to have to concur with LE.

One question: How does Ronald know where everybody was sleeping if he wasn’t there?

Mlee:
You said,”When Ron lost his job there was not way that he could afford to pay the rent.”
In the interest of accuracy wouldn’t it be better to say “when Ron stopped going in to work?” It’s understandable of course. His daughter just went missing. But a mainstream news article with an interview with his boss at PDM makes it clear that he waited for Ron, held his job for him but Ron never showed up and never called. So the boss had to give the job to someone else.

Also, I thought Crystal was terrified something was going to happen to Jr. I did not hear it was Ron who was afraid of that. And if he was, why live in a tent? Not very secure. But he did eventually move in with his grandma which is safer for Jr.

I have not heard for a fact whether there was a landline in the MH or not. Do you know? Are you being sarcastic when you call it a secret? Why would it be a secret? Was the 911 call made from Ron’s phone? And where was Misty’s phone?

And I agree with you. I’d feel better too if the other side of the family had ever been or is being equally investigated (plus some other possibilities).

How is anyone supposed to send Misty money? Her family and her have been on the move before and after she and Ron split up.

This is something I heard early on in this case:
Ron was involved in some kind of altercation with someone over something to do with money, the afternoon Haleigh went missing. He, either, owed someone money or they owed him money. I believe, that was about the time Haleigh would have been picked up from school. He may be saying he picked Haleigh up, because he doen’t want the reason behind that altercation looked into.

TN and Ron, both, said on NG that they were terrified something was going to happen to Jr. In fact, alot of the family members were afraid that their children would be taken, also.

Ronald told NG that he went to sleep every night with Jr. in his arms, so that, nothing would happen to him.

I have read that a neighbor saw Haleigh about 8:00p.m., the night she went missing. I think that is why LE is satisfied with the timeline up to that point.

FED UP;

The article that I suggested you google was the same information, as the article states, that came from the Palatka Daily News back in Feb. If you would care to look back to the Palatka Daily News during Feb., you will find the same facts stated there.

With all of these odd things going on in that house, you can see why LE said this was no stranger abduction. Why did they not arrest Misty? They wanted to let whoever did this have enough rope to hang themselves. They have said all along Misty wasn’t being truthful.

They would have moved into the house in Oct. 2008. Ron would have been dating Misty since Aug.2008 if what they said was true.

Where and when did Ron meet Misty?

OK, When did the school year start? August?

It seems to me that everthing Misty said was contradicted by Ron, as if Ron had first hand knowledge. Which makes Ron look suspicious also.

The reason I asked about school was bus stop dad Jerry Santos stated Ron first met Misty at the bus stop. Unless Haleigh had gone to pre-K, it didn’t take him long to get Misty in his house. Who was he dating before that? Amber Brooks or was there someone else?

I’m not saying Ron and Misty collaborated, nor am I saying they didn’t, but if you look at all the early interviews Ron is always correcting her. This point has been brought up before, but then he goes and puts a dead rat in a mailbox supposedly to see how well she can lie.Unless he was actually there he doesn’t know what was going on. Even if she told him, he can’t claim it to be actual fact, it would be hearsay. I think the answer to all questions would be motive. I think you’re right, he’s trying to make himself look better.Possibly to retain custody of Jr.

At least we know a non-family member saw Haleigh around 8. That helps with the timeline.

I wonder if Misty had a routine for those kids, you know, like bath time at 7:00, bedtime snack, bedtime story. Especially Haleigh as she was going to school.

Hi, Polly! According to ggma Sykes, the kids were out on the porch at 7 pm having their dinner. Some have said that it is cold and dark at that time in Florida in February. Anyway, Misty did not say she gave the kids a bath. I don’t remember hearing about that or a story. I think the kids watched movies on DVD - or she said they did - and then they went to bed.

I’d have to see transcripts, in chronological order, of what they’ve both said to try to figure it out. If Misty gave one story to LE that night and then later said something different, could Ron have been trying to correct it back to what she said originally?

Plus - it seems to me - that most of the things that have changed have been little things. Misty has stuck to the time she woke up (supposedly), the doors being locked, the time the kids went to bed and when she supposedly went to bed. And that she did not prop open the door with the cement block. All the other stuff seems like “so what” to me. With one exception. She made a mistake about what Haleigh wore to bed. Whatever she described was found later in the washer or dryer I think. (I think!) But it’s possible Misty just forgot what Haleigh wore to bed that night.

Karen Cox,

Your information is blatantly INCORRECT. You are stating that the Palatka Daily did an article called The Smoking Gun…..which tells us that Misty had the washing machine on when LE arrived…

That is completely wrong information… The Paltake Daily never did any such article…

That article was written by a contributer to Associated Content which is a blog site… The contributor of the article is Carol Bengle Gilbert…. She is a poster like you and I….

There is something good that has come out of your post.. The message is that you cant believe everything you read…… !!!!

Back to what I was saying Karen.. you eed to go bak and track where the information first came out.. You need to look to see when it was first aired and go by the dates.. You will see that this is the first report of this crazy alegation in mid sept.. You will also see that a blogger reesponding to the article refers to the Palatka Daily on a completely different issue …

I have another example of how reporting is often incorrect with many huge mistakes and this does not only happen with smaller news outlets..

Most of us likley know about the missing VT girl Morgan Dana Harrington….

I read a huge discrepancy where a major news source (CBS) stated that Morgans friends were the ones who called Morgan (where Morgan advised them she cud not get bak into the concert as had no ticket stubb.)

Funny thing is that i have heard many interviews with her parent that say it was Morgan who called the friends…. not the other way around….

This is an example of how mistakes can be made and stories change… Are we going to start looking at this as an inconsistency where we start passing blame onto the family?????

This is a great example of how things are blatant errors where a reporter has erred…

The article was written by Edecio Martinez a CBS news correspondant …here is the quote

” Friends in the arena phoned her and she said not to wait up for her and that she’d find her own ride home.”

Answers: THANK YOU!

Polly.. its not Misty’s story that is changing.. its the reporters… then times that by what bloggers have said incoreectly and you get a big mess like this one ..

Misty has maintained when she made supper…

Also… LE did not find the pink shirt.. It was Misty who found it while LE was in the house the following day, and she was the one who gave it to LE…so there is another correction.. LE never said that they found it!

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

Fed: LE recovered the shirt, who gives a rip who gave it to them? Good for Misty, she did a GOOD thing and gets a Scooby Snack. Now maybe she should tell all she knows.

For 9 months, NO ONE has came forward to say Misty was elsewhere that night. You can not tell me that Ron has that much control over a whole town like that. No one has stated she was walking somewhere. No one has stated she was at their house. Nothing! As for Tommy’s statement to LE, I think he lied to get his “Get out of jail free card”. JMHO

Fed up,

IT IS Misty’s story that changes. There are videos of her changing her story. Straight from her mouth, on video. She has definately changed her story.

The person(s) who took Haleigh UN-LOCKED the door, then turned around and LOCKED the door on their way out with Haleigh?

How far is Mike Roess Park from Ron’s house? Just been to Google Maps and was curious.

OK, folks. Listen up. Who knows whether Haleigh was taken from that MH through the back door?

Why not the front door? That Haleigh was taken through the front door is just as plausible as saying she was taken out the back door.

Misty claims the backdoor was locked, well, wasn’t the front door also locked?

Hey, if the person(s) who took Haleigh had a key to the back door, and bothered to lock the backdoor as they left the MH with Haleigh, well - the person(s) could have had a key to the front door, and bothered to lock the frontdoor as they left with Haleigh.

The front door is closest to the bedroom. If a person(s) took Haleigh from that bedroom off the living room they could have exited quicker via the front door, even with allowing time to turn around and lock it as they left.

40 or so miles to Mike Roess Park, about an hour and 15 minutes by car.

Do you pronounce Roess as Rose or as Roe-es?

Polly,

Steph Watts wrote about the rose. He has an image of the rose on his site. Ron lead them to the rose.

As far as I know, there is no evidence that Haleigh was taken out of that MH. The block holding open the back door could have been placed there in hopes of making it appear Haleigh was removed from the MH via the back door.

Take away the block and there are two LOCKED doors in that MH.

A person(s) could enter that MH through the front or back door only when the doors were unlocked.

To unlock the deadbolts, a key was used, or the locks were bumped (depending on the lock - highest security locks can’t be bumped).

Not sure whether a deadbolt can be LOCKED by reverse-bumping, but I find it extremely unlikely that a person(s) abducting a child would hang around long enough to reverse-bump a deadbolt in order to lock it.

So, for Haleigh to have been taken out of the MH from either door, then the person(s) who took her had a key, and locked the deadbolt as they left with Haleigh, or a PERSON INSIDE THE MH locked the deadbolt after Haleigh was taken out of the MH.

Onyx.. Im not sure how old you are, or how well you know teenagers.. The clip you refer too (the today show) is not where Misty says an inconsistency at all….

Meredith said to her……. why did you say Misty was in the same bed with you… Misty looks down in a defeated way… mot a way where she was “caught” so to speak…. then Mereditgh socks it to her and says you realize you changed your story… Misty says yeah is a defeated way….

It is silly to think that a young uneducated girl, cudnt innocently refer to their sleeping arrangments in such a way….
I will agree that Misty did explain the sleeping arrangements poorly and if you want to refer to this as an inconsistency, I will give you that.. but based on her age education (or lack thereof) I hardly deem this to be enough to fry her for…

I mean come on.. given the nature of the event and the shock that wud come with it, there has to be rom for logic…. Inconsistrncies are what we hear from ppl like the Anthonys… What Misty has said fall no where close to that..

Also, as far as LE saying that they feel she knows more.. LE has backed that staement up saying the only reason they feel like she must know more is bcuz there wasnt forced entry and they deem that a non stranger abduction…

There have been too many semi stranger (neighbors who are only acquaintances of the victim) that have taken children out of their beds under the noses of their guardians..

You have to insert logic …. as well as possibility.. Dont be blinded by rumours and false reporting of events… I hope you can see that there has been too much of this in this case…And please dont help LE facilitate the excuse as to why they havent solved the case… This is what happened with Jaycee.. everyone got stuck on the step dad and stopped looking on account that they didjnt think he was telling the whole truth… and look at what happened…
Where is Haleigh???

Polly:

The red plastic rose is not on an interview. When Misty failed all of those tests, she came up with that and the I had a dream, at least, she thought it was a dream. She thought she dreamed that 4 people came into the house.

The hypnotist had just asked her, if she had any dreams that night, and she said no. That is where she got the dream idea. When she found out she failed all those tests, she changed her story, once again. She, now, thinks she might have had a dream that 4 people came into the house.

PAW69:

I know of 2 people that have come forward to say that Misty was at a party that night and had the kids with her. That is why LE spent a bunch of money draing that pond. One report said that Haleigh got ahold of Oxycotin and died, and WBG put her in a black bag and threw her in that pond. They knew when they did that they might not find anything because of the alligators. Most everybody in Florida knows that, but they were hoping to find some evidence.

LE keeps waiting on someone who isn’t a drug addict to come forward and tell them this same story, before they make any arrests.

LE believed the story enough to go to all the time and money to drain that pond. They keep hauling people in that were said to have been at that party on drug charges and questioning them.

Face it, we are dealing with drug addicts that don’t make alot of sense. That is why this case doesn’t make any sense.

DUH:

One reason they believe Haleigh was taken out the backdoor was because of the tracking dogs. The dogs went from the backdoor straight down a path to the water.

Karen… I have a very open mind… Im glad you acknowledge all the BS that is printed in many articles all the time.
On account of you knowing that, I find it strange that you want to believe everything you read which in this particlar case is hog wash….

I have checked thru every archive of the Palatka Daily News…it isnt there….

Also, again.. if you read the police report, there is no indication that the washing machine was in operation.. I think that wud have been explored immediately had this been the case… Like isay..we need to give LE alittle bit of credit… dont you think that wud ave been written down ? Also, dont you think Misty wud have been confronted by the many media shows she had been on if it were true.. NG wud have had a field day if that was true.. Have you ever heard anyone pose the question to her??? This BS came out after TM’s talk with Ron were they met with MN.. It was TM who had his story all mixed up and went to the media with statements like there was no laundry soap and that there were dirty clothes in the dryer.. Judging by the date of this bloggers post where she made this allegation..clearly she like so many, is confused…

I did just go bak and check the archives and not only for the Pal Daily.. All the local papers and that rumour was not started by them… I think you should apply a little common sense when reading and consider the source and the circunstances around it…
P.S.. I have seen every iterview thet Misty and Ron and the families have done… What is inconsistent, are the write ups at what was said and by who and in what context..

Karen …one other thing I will bak up my statement that this running machine at 3am hogwash was never printed anywhere till that blogger wrote it is mid sep is by inviting you to look at every blod site there is and see that there is no mention of this allegation anywhere on any blog site (including this one and Art H.) ..had this allegation been brought out by any newspaper bak in Feb shortly after this crime took place, it wud be plausible to think that every site wud have had a field day with it.. On account that you wont find it anyshere till mid sep, that pretty well baks me up…. but i do invite you to let me know where it was reported and provide me the particulars..

FED UP;

You know very well that LE has said very little, so why do you think they would put everything in the police report or report it to us.

That story about the washing machine has been around for a long time, now. Since you know everything, I am sure you know that, also. You have not gone thru all of the archives on this case this fast.

I suppose your object is to ruin this site for everyone. You have thoroughly discouraged me. Isn’t that what you hoped for.

Fed Up,

Did you buy a subscription to the Palatka Daily online? If you didn’t, then you didn’t search the archives back to February. Of the many comments I’ve read here, yours is usually the least informative because you don’t talk facts, just what you want other people to believe.

You don’t seem to know much about the case, whcih means you p[robably haven’t researched much at all.

Your comments are so long winded that you don’t have time to search for facts?

FED UP:

You say nothing but defend your one little point of view, and try to keep others from looking any deeper into this case.

If you have done all this researching, come up with a link or a new fact every now and then.

Why would Ron protect Misty saying he Picked up Haleigh where the facts show he did not. They could not have arrested Misty for driving without a license because it was told to them she was. They would have to catch her in the act of driving without a license in order to arrest her. Why would he lie about something so meaningless to Haleighs disappearance? The fact is Ron did and so is Teresa and Misty.
When Ron and Teresa were on Nancy Grace a caller called in and asked about the cousin who was suppose to be at the trailer that night and it is showing Ronald getting angry and you can hear him say ” the cousin was not there” I blogged back then how could he be so adamant if he himself was not there.
School started near the end of August in Putnam County. Haleigh just started kindergarten. Misty stated on the voice stress test that She and Ron started dating around the 28th of September 2008. He started his job at PDM in October 2008 the employer said he had just passed his probationary period when Haleigh went missing. Misty only knew Haleigh 4 months and 2 weeks when she disappeared. Ron got fired in April I believe. He made no attempts to keep his employer notified. The mh was a crime scene for about 4 weeks. Since he was using the donations to buy cigs, beer ,lottery tickets and tattoos; he could of used it to pay his rent. It was not the tapping of the phone they were worried about. It was more than likely the one they would place throughout the home itself.JMO
To my understanding the river runs behind PDM and it is only approx 5 miles to Rons home by water way. This info I received from citizens of Putnam County.
Ron stated on Nancy Grace that detective Merchant said they both passed their polys. Now after it came out about Misty not passing TM poly and voice analysis it was released by FBI and Putnam County Misty did not pass theirs either.If detective Merchant lied about Misty passing hers; maybe he lied about Ron passing his.
We hear so much about Mistys lies; what about Rons? I still believe they know Misty is covering for someone and JMO I think it is Ron.

Hi, Everyone!
I read that Ron’s boss asked him to work an extra hour so he got off around 3 or a little before.
I am sure that LE would have looked into the hours Ron worked very carefully and in a heck of a lot more detail (like talking with boss/co-workers/witnesses) than we are able to do, don’t you think so?

M2c I agree with you. I put the hours of operation so that we would all know the actual standard time of operations and what should of been his normal work hours. On this paticular day it has been reported his hours were to be 4 to 12 and was asked to work over. On this paticular day he also stated He picked up Haleigh from the bus stop at 3:30pm. Teresa stated this is what time Haleigh got off the bus. Misty again stated it was Ron in the voice stress test. This can not be. Ron and his attorneys stated recently on Nancy Grace that he arrived to work 30 - 45 minutes early prior to his shift. He could not have picked up Haleigh at 3:30pm and been to work 30 - 45 minutes early for his shift. That means he would have arrived at work at 3:15pm - 3:30pm. If you look at the standard times of operation he would of been right on time or to say the least 15 minutes early. This all come from their own admissions not media or journalist. Therefore it has to be fact. My question is why would he lie about picking up haleigh and giving such an elaborate heartfelt memory that never happened. It does not make sense.

Ron also had a place to send donations to. It was set up at a Bank Of America.

Here is the link to the article “Is The Smoking Gun a Soaking blanket?
This is the article that ppl refer to as FACT, which is crazy, as the article was written by a “contibuter” to the Associated Content…..
that i referred to in my above post where I have called out a blogger for being totally INCORRECT… and misrepresenting fiction, as fact..

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2169871/haleigh_cummings_investigation_is_the_pg2_pg2.html?cat=47

P.S… Danielle Vandam’s abduction, from her own bed as she slept, almost under her ‘dad’s nose, had no forced entry, and was also considered “not a stranger abduction”
It was later found that the perp, came right in the house thru a door (that was assumed to be locked)… and lived a few houses down the street… Although, the pig, was a so called acquaintance … her abduction was committed by a stranger..LE had no reason to suspect that as in their case… there was no forced entry either….

Fed Up:

You didn’t go back and read all the reports like I did, you haven’t had time. Be that as it may, I thank you for apologizing for being so rude. When you capitalize Blatantly giving wrong information, how do you think people will take that?

I gave the information I knew of, and I am not the only person you are making mad by being so abrupt. Don’t tell me again to go back and check anything, because I think you are the one that needs to rethink some issues. Why don’t you look up some facts and videos that prove your point?

People want to explore some different ideas, and should be able to do so without others being so rude to them. If you would say something like: I believe you are mistaken, people wouldn’t be offended at you. I have spent hours, this week looking up articles and videos on this case and the little Somer Thompson case. I have been posting that in the forums. I don’t need anymore homework assignments.

I think we should let this go as a misunderstanding and forget about it.

Fed Up, just because you did a search for washing machine does not mean the Palatka news did not print the article Karon is talking about. Washing machine may not even be in the article! Try washer, laundry, washing clothes.

And then, if you still don’t find the article, don’t just assume it doesn’t exist! Their search engine may, or may not pull up the keywords you enter! If you were a frequent user of Web site searches you would know that already!

Seems you’re just determined to make yourself right and Karon wrong. Nothing better to do with your time?

Looking for Justice,

Thanks for your view on a reason Ron and Misty didn’t want to live in the trailer anymore . . . because they were afraid the trailer was tapped and the police would hear their conversations. Great thinking, there!

Ditto what Karon said at 3:02 pm.
Except for the cinderblock. I do not have an opinion on whether a man or woman did it. But I do wonder why the heck anyone did it.

Pardon my stupid memory but it was the screen door that the block propped open right? So was the main door there still locked (supposedly)?
Thank you for your patience.

M2C:

On the NG show, when they went to the house, they said that the screen was propped open with the cinderblock. The main door was held open with some dirty clothes.

That was a good point about why Ron might want to leave the trailer so fast.

One thing about Ron losing his job. I am sorry, but people lose their children or loved ones all of the time without taking months off of work. They can’t afford to do that, so they don’t.

Another reason he may have been fired was the fact that he had been spending so much time on the phone during work time. If he made 20 calls to Misty and, at least, one to Tommy, that can’t be tolerated on any job. That, most likely, wasn’t the only time he was spending so much time checking on Misty.

Another reason that he may have been fired could be his arrests for drugs. Even though, there was no conviction, anyone working around heavy equipment needs to be drug free. The company, I am sure, was doing drug testing, but they may have felt that they couldn’t take a chance on Ron after all of that arrest history was made public.

I have put together some clues below and come up with a very plausible theory that involves the croslin van — The below is video news proof direct from misty and her sister related to this van.

I have not seen anything on the news between the following news videos i found

Video #1: The misty family van scratch CBS 47 news video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX0lz6kx7X0
Video #2: Misty’s first “last momeents” WJXT interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E
Video #3: Art Harris on JVM not a stranger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KTwNN2nmaU

- Video #1: The misty family van scratch CBS 47 news video below.
== In this video Chelsea Croslin talks about the van and thinks she knows
who took it the van night of the disappearance and caused the scratch and
cracked headlight

- Video #2: Misty’s first “last moments” WJXT interview.. She said verbatim
==”I would have got up and wouldn’t have let them take her”
==”I put to bed at around 8 o’clock”
==”my blanket was in the the van that they took”

Video #3: Art Harris on JVM not a stranger.
==Art talks about the strong links to family member
==JVM says that misty is a party girl

#4 In another JVM video — I don’t have a link to. Art talks about Misty on
a 3 day party just before the abduction

#5 The new “prison letter” talks about the link to oxy and halleigh.
== the story is denied in letter by the writer
== Another drug link.
== talks about a pond

OK.. Here are my thoughts..
-Misty met with someone that night — at least 2 people (them).. after 8,
when the kids were asleep
-They came in a van that belongs to Misty’s family
-She did drugs/drank that nigh — maybe not certain — maybe a light drug,
because she was with kids
-She was so tired from the partying or had done drugs that she passed
out/slept.
-She was in a deep sleep/passed out and didn’t hear anything when the guy was banging on the door
-They either came back after she slept and took halleigh in the van
-The scratch on the van are from a wooded area
-The driver of the van is known to Misty. The other person(s) are not known.. It could be though her cousin “joe” Who misty doesn’t trust and maybe the logical choice in taking the Croslin’s family van…

I have not seen anyone put these clues together in the news…The police
must have this idea as I pieced it together from Canada. Maybe this can be
used to put pressure on Misty and the family member that Chelsea says took
the van that night

What do you think?

No matter what happened that night - whether Ron and/or Misty had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance - I think it is the LOWEST blow possible and the dirtiest meanest thing to do for someone to say that Haleigh was not Ron’s child. My God. If Ron did not know that it must have been like being shot in the gut.

And I believe that if Ron had thought that Haleigh was not his daughter before all this happened he would not have been taking care of her. He would have given her to Crystal or had a DNA test done. ANd I hope he has that test done now. Pray heaven there is a toothbrush or something left to test with. Of all the lowdown sleazy things I’ve heard in this whole debacle that one is the worst. Just shows you what kind of people are on Crystal’s side of the family and I sure hope they are all investigated inside out.

m2c:

I am not going to argue with anyone on this matter, but the whole matter of parenthood, could point to another person with an interest in Haleigh. From what Cobra said, Crystal’s relatives said that the father could be a highschool sweetheart of Crystal’s. It all gets involved, but, apparently, you don’t listen to the Sunday Radio Show. If you did, you would know the reasons Cobra mentioned it.

I will let someone else explain it to you. I have things to do, today.

And, Karon, I am sorry that I did not listen to the radio show live. I had things to do THEN - and I’m just taking a break to check in here! The show is recorded so I can listen another time.

And I still don’t know why or how you could take my comment as “arguing” with you at all.

M2C:

I don’t think you were arguing with me, but this subject is a very important one, but one that could be a sticky one to discuss. People could think that this is being mean to bring this up. However, there is a possibility ,of it being an answer to some of the things, we don’t understand about this case.

This was not the program that Cobra talked about all of this. It was a program that was on several weeks ago. In fact, it was the Sunday before Simon wrote the article about Ronald’s and His Attorney Going Down
the Dreaded NPO Path. You could look that article up and listen to the program before that.

After Cobra let that story out, Ronald stopped making public appearances. He has hired a woman P.I. to help him look into some recent stories that have come out.

It isn’t anything you said, I get tired of the blog and keep everything real light, for awhile. Simon and T.J. seem to think some things are about to break on this case, soon. Cobra is discouraged about anything happening , so we will see.

Deb said,in November 1st, 2009 at 2:28 pm

“Fed Up, just because you did a search for washing machine does not mean the Palatka news did not print the article Karon is talking about. Washing machine may not even be in the article! Try washer, laundry, washing clothes.

And then, if you still don’t find the article, don’t just assume it doesn’t exist! Their search engine may, or may not pull up the keywords you enter! If you were a frequent user of Web site searches you would know that already!

Seems you’re just determined to make yourself right and Karon wrong. Nothing better to do with your time?”

Deb… you clearly didnt read my port thoroughly… Not only did I begin by doing a very thorough google search, I also did a thorough archive search of the Palatke Daily…. I also TELEPHONED the Palatka Daily…..i was advised that they never printed such a story…. call them yourself…

There was no such article ever written in the Paltaka Daily..

I also provided the link of the cited article that karon referred too which will show you the blogger who wrote it as well as the site She is a contributor for…

M2C:

The program that I am referring to is the Sunday Radio Program on Oct. 11. 2009. What Cobra is talking about with Crystal, Ron’s, and Haleigh’s situation, may or may not be important to the case. I have noticed that Ron stopped making appearances after this program, and Cobra said, today, that Ron had hired a woman P.I. to check things out. There may be other things going on with Ron, as well, for all I know.

Cobra, also, has alot to say about what all is going on with LE in Putnam County. I don’t know how imprtant all of this is, but I will stay back and let any of you discuss it, if you want to. I am going to work in the forums for awhile, but I will read your blogs.

FED UP,

The article at Associated Content that you’re referring to has numerous sources listed at the end of it.

The writer has included her sources, so you need to read the sources instead of concluding what she said is not true.

Doubtful she made it up, as she appears to be an accomplished writer, and has listed her sources.

Please read her sources if you want to learn more about specific things mentioned in her article.

JJ.. weather or not they write “informative” articles or not, they are contibuters to a website… Nothing more… That said, I suspect there is many good articles..

I suspect you didnt try any of the links as there are errors on everyone except the last 2 which again are blogging sites..

In my endeavor I am however, closer to the actual origin…. AC’s article was written mid September and I believe i have found where the original staement was made…

It was made an approx Apr 3 09 on AH site … there are many bloggers who repond to the staement that is very unclear and they ask huim specific questions about it.. None get answered..

here is the link… the statement I refer to is …

“It all comes back to Misty,” Cobra tells me, “and her timeline. No one knows what she was doing after she visited her Dad at the hospital Monday. Or whether she was even home that night (Monday). So many conflicts in her stories. She said she put blankets in the washing machine at 8 p.m. so why did police note the washing machine was running hours later? She said she called Ronald when she couldn’t find Haleigh, but Ronald was standing outside, supposedly just home from work”

Here is the link and you will find the above quote at the end of the lengthy article.. a bit above the 2nd pic of WBG…

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:_9UxxEEX3tAJ:www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/+misty+%22washing+machine+running%22&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Welcome back Treece.

I’ve had the same thoughts about Crystal. And like I’ve said before, they really need to look into Crystal’s side a little closer, instead of clearing them so quickly.

PAW69 & Karon thank you both. I was with my sister-in-law and we had a great time but I told her I missed my BNN buddies. She doesn’t blog so she has didn’t understand. It is amazing how we get to know and care about each other but we do.