I have to say I am writing this with tears so please forgive any typos I may make and miss correcting. It is times like this when I hate my job. For the second time in two days I sit here in front of my computer trying to report that the lives of two little girls have been taken. I never met these children but my heart goes out to the families of both. I can’t imagine what they must be going through.
Yesterday 7 year old Somer Renee Thompson’s body was found in a landfill in Georgia. One of her legs was sticking out from under a pile of trash. This precious little girl had been kidnapped and when who ever took her was finished with her they just threw her body away like she was nothing but trash. I pray they find out who did this and make them pay dearly. Personally I don’t think they deserve even a trial. They deserve just what they did to her or worse.
Not long after I reported Somer being found I heard about another little girl from Missouri missing. She is 9 year old Elizabeth Olten. Her mother says she was on her way home from a friend’s house when someone grabbed her. She was last seen around 6:15 pm when she left her friend’s house which was only a few houses down from her own. When she wasn’t home soon, her family started looking for her and notified the police by 7 pm. According to the neighbors Elizabeth knew the neighborhood well and wouldn’t have wandered off alone. In fact family members said she was afraid of the wooded area near their home and of the dark so there is no way she would be out there at night by her own choice.
Well tonight I get a Google alert about Elizabeth Olten and when I went to it, I read that the search has come to an end for 9 year old Elizabeth and it really breaks my heart to say it is a tragic ending. The police say they have recovered the body of Elizabeth Olten in the wooded area.
Apparently they have brought in a juvenile “person of interest” and put them into custody. The Cole County Sheriff Greg White told the reporters that all he would tell them was that this ‘person of interest’ and Elizabeth were acquainted. Other than that all he would say was that the person of interest lived in the area west of Jefferson City and was older than Elizabeth.
Police said that her body was found just before 3 pm Friday. “We were able to obtain some physical evidence and through some analysis of some of the evidence and in all honesty some written evidence, we were able to develop a person of interest,” said Sheriff White. “Once we reached that person and interviewed them, ultimately they led up to where we’ve recovered Elizabeth’s body.”
White says he has spoken with Elizabeth’s mother and he described the family as deeply grieving. “I’m a parent too and I know how I would feel. I would simply leave it to you that they are grieving,” he said.
Simon and I send our deepest condolences to Elizabeth’s family. How does any mother or father or grandparent ever accept the loss of a child through natural death. It is hard I know because I have two sons buried myself that I lost in a premature delivery but to lose a child that someone took and murdered would have to be even harder. I know how hard it was for me in my case, I don’t know how I would handle it if someone killed one of my children or grandchildren but I do know I would be mad as hell and there would be no stopping me until the one responsible is behind bars for life. I know we are told we are supposed to forgive, but how can a parent forgive someone that brutally kills an innocent child. I honestly don’t have an answer for that one.
I will keep my prayers with Elizabeth’s family and with Somer’s family as well. I am still saying my prayers for Haleigh Cummings and Adji Desir and all the other missing children out there. God please help us find an answer on how to stop these innocent children from being taken from us.
For now I beg all you parents that have children out there to please keep a close eye on them. Please take all precautions not to let this happen to your children. I pray that tomorrow morning I wake up and find in my emails another Google alert telling me that Haleigh Cummings and Adji Desir have both been found alive and well. Wouldn’t that be the perfect thing to wake up too?
Jan Barrett
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Jan, so sorry. Thank you for letting us know and thank you for your compassionate heart.
This madness has to end.
Jan sounds like you are a great mother very sorry about your two boys. cant imagine how these parents are feeling i also cant imagine how people could do this when there are so many people out there who are dying to have children how can you dispose them like trash i cant fathom it i an very angry and hurt and hope that these families find some kind of peace and jan thank you for sharing that i have alot of respect for you and simon and glad that you all keep up posted on these children god bless you
TOO SAD FOR WORDS!!
Im not going to re-hash old arguments. But if you really care Jan, and Simon, then please help with this petition.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/change-sex-offender-laws
PRAYING !!!!
In a time like this know one cares about typos,when everyone’s hearts are breaking,it is human to miss spell or make typos.Your job has got to be very hard to write about these stories.You have done an outstanding job reporting on all the stories and we all thank you.Our prayers go out to these families and know there are know words to ease their pain.God loves the little children,all I can think is that he must of needed some special Angels and these children must of been very special to of been picked.Tears are falling all over the world tonight for these little Angels.Again I quote”Just when the caterpiller thought the world was over it became a butterfly”.
DKerr, I totally agree!!!! treece
Words can’t describe the outrage felt upon hearing about these two most recent murders. The only consoling thing I found helpful was in reading Matthew 19:14 ………….Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
Dan
I agree with DKerr. Thank you Jan and Simon for what you both do may God bless you both. Prayers and thoughts are with Elizabeth’s and Somer’s family. I pray that we can bring home Adji and Haleigh home safe.
It has to end! My heart can’t take anymore. Pray, everyone, just pray!
Jan and Simmon,
Thanks for everthing you do for theses children! They happend to run into the wrong person at the wrong time! The only way for them to stay safe is to keep them close, know where they are at all times and who they are with! It is sad but it is the world we all have to live in now untill something can be done to stop it! Praying for ADJI AND HALEIGH!!
Does this mean that Tim Miller is not coming to do another search for Haleigh?
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/10/24/news/news01.txt
D Kerr said,
I quote”Just when the caterpiller thought the world was over it became a butterfly”.
That is a beautiful quote. I had never heard that before. Thanks for sharing it.
It will take all of us to save all children.
Thank you for all you do.!!
Queenie: i read the link you gave it sure does sound like tim miller is not goin to do the search for haleigh he beleives she is dead so why tell everyone you are going to and then send out a statement saying you give up because there are more important things like live children i wonder where he is getting his evidence that she is gone do you think he will refund the one people sent for his search just very sad another one gives up on her
It is so unfortunate that TES will not be back out to do another search for Haleigh. However, I think we need to understand that an important role Tim unfortuantely has to play is like that of a triage nurse in an ER, after a major catastrophe where not every patient can be saved because there are just too many to help them all. Recently when Somer Thompson went missing LE called Tim and he traveled from TX to FL immediately and was on the search the very next day. That is the critical time to try to save a life, and Tim did the same for Haleigh in the beginning. I think he is doing all he can.
This is heart breaking!! My tears just don’t stop flowing! To D KERR and Dan you both have very warm quotes and scripture, thank you. I pray they make these involved pay dearly!! Even if ones a juvenile. Try them as an adult! They must pay for murdering these young babies!!!
Yeah they need severe consequences even tho it is so sad that a child could commit a crime like that i foot know what is happening we have had a recent disturbing accounts with our children praying for the parents of these beautiful little angels that are no longer with us and that are still missing
Hi, D Kerr (10:53 p.m.)!
I love you butterfly quote! Just beautiful!
I have a habitat for butterflies and to see the various stages of a butterfly is just beautiful. To me, it inspires hope in everything I do. I think the greatest inspiration is to see the butterfly emerge and then flutter among the many flowers.
Sometimes when friends bring their children to see the butterflies, I am overcome with joy at how excited and happy the children are to be among the beautiful butterflies! It is something the children will never forget!
Hi, Jan:
Thank you for the heartfelt article. Through your article, you have conveyed the sadness that you and many of us are feeling for the missing and/or murdered children.
These are just the children that have received national attention. This week in Texas there are missing and murdered children. There are so many children throughout the U.S. that are missing but we are unaware because all do not get national attention.
Thank you and Simon for your efforts regarding missing and/or murdered children!
Correction to my 1:36 p.m. comment to D Kerr:
I love YOUR (not you) butterfly quote! Sorry for the error!
LindaOz! I agree! Tim and TES provide a wonderful, unique service. Bless them.
Ash Berry: Refunds? What a selfish idea. I’m appalled at the thought.
I just saw your post asking if TES will refund any donations they might have received specifically for a second search for Haleigh? I would hope that those people who donated would be proud to contribute to the NEXT search of ANY child (or anyone) who’s gone missing. Not just the one child.
Do you think he received enough donations to cover the first search for Haleigh? TES was $40,000 in the red after searching for Caylee Anthony. And now TES has already helped in the search for Somer. Where do you think the money came from for that? He was there the next day! So no, people did not send TES money overnight in advance to just search for Somer. Hopefully people from that area and all over will donate funds as a thank you for that and all past searches as well as to help fund future ones.
Refunds? What an appalling, selfish thought.
m2c, I understand your thinking on not asking for a refund for money left over from a search. However, I also understand AshBerry’s comment. TM came back to the area, publicly stating he was going to do another search for Haleigh as soon as the vegetation died down. He raised money for that second search. Many people gave specifically for Haleigh. I do think when he came back, raised funds and said he would do a 2nd search that he should keep his word. I think a 2nd search for Haleigh would have been alot better way to spend donation money instead of hiring a “mother” to trick Misty. jmo
I understand your point, too, Treece. But I would hope that TES would have some idea where to start looking if they search again before wasting more time and money when it could do more for another child elsewhere.
I, too, have to wonder about the “wisdom” of the Donna Brock mess. But Tim’s human. I’m not going to knock him or TES (or ask for my money back) because of that.
Update on Elizabeth Olten:
Authorities have charged a 15 year old with first degree murder of 9 year old Elizabeth Olten. LE has not said if the accused is a boy or girl.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/23/elizabeth-olten-dead-body_n_332180.html
m2c, you could be right. It could be a waste for Tim to search for Haleigh again. He may not have a clue where to look. He wasn’t there very long the 1st time. But if he doesn’t have a clue where to look why did he come back and say he was going to do another one. Why would he raise money to do another one for Haleigh? I think Tim has done alot of good in the past but his behavior lately is different than he use to be. He has seemed more set on getting even with Misty than finding Haleigh. I am not going to ask for a refund from him either but I will not donate any more right now either. I really don’t imagine Ash Berry was wanting their money back either. I figure they were just making the point when you raise donation for a specific search be a man of your word.
m2c, I agree with you not asking for a refund. I would hope all of these horrible tragedies would come to a halt, but unfortunately they seem to be on the rise. We need people Like TM on a moments notice. These perverted, immorale, pathetic cowards are taking these precious lives within a hour. There is no time too spare.
looking for justice, I see your point too and that is a point in Tim’s favor, he can get there quickly. He responded rapidly to Somer.
I think the mothers against predators is great! Perhaps it can be implemented throughout the US. We have to start somewhere. We as citizens in our communities have to band together to help save the children from these vermin!!
Everyone! We aren’t the first to think of this.
There is an existing organization called, Stop Child Predators. Maybe we should check it out and if it’s legit and we like it we can give it our support!
http://www.stopchildpredators.org
That’s just the first organization I found. There may be others. But I think we should check out the existing ones before possibly re-inventing the wheel so to speak. That only divides energy and limited funds instead of pooling them which makes the effort stronger.
I was not going to post on the the TM article, but I’ve got questions.
What has made TM do this about face, what does he know that LE doesn’t know? I too question TM raising money for the search and then calling it off!
What makes HaLeigh’s homecoming less desirable than the next child?
Perhaps this is because of the flack he got with “Undercover Mama Gate”. He chose that ill-fated tatic… HaLeigh DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE TAKEN!!
I hate the way he has written her off… DEAD or ALIVE… she needs to come home!!!
cent, that’s way too harsh. And we don’t know enough to judge. Tim is the last person who would “write off” any child. Other places are calling on TES. TES just flew in overnight to look for Somer. There are times like that when a child just went missing when it’s critical to look. He was there immediately when Haleigh went missing. And whether we like the “tactic” or not, he WAS TRYING to find out what happened thru Misty. So that’s two times and two different ways that he’s tried.
Maybe if there is a lead or tip that would give them a location or place to start looking again he’d be back for sure.
I just don’t think Tim or TES deserves that kind of treatment after all they HAVE DONE!
m2c,
I’m going by the wording of the article… not trying to be harsh… in fact, I felt he was harsh with his comment about her being dead.
He knows her family will read that. He could have been a bit more diplomatic, is all I’m saying!!
cent, what TM article? Can you tell me where to find it please?
m2c, are you talking about the article queenie posted at 5:51 am?
LOL! Treece, I don’t know what article I’m talking about!
Whatever one that cent is referring to at 6:28 and 7:08.
Time Miller has worked very hard to try to find Haleigh. It is very hard when the family is not giving Time the support and the truth needed to help. I wish they could find Haleigh and bring her home, yes she deserves to be found. But Time puts his heart and soul into finding children, so please understand what he is up against.
My heart goes out to Somers Family and Elizabets Family, and I pray there is justice for both familys.
Stop the abuse and murder of the children in the U.S.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/16/stop-the-abuse-and-murder-of-the-children-in-the-us
Also when Ron made the remark to Tim Miller that he could recover Haleigh if he had enough money. Tim made a point to get that amount and set it in a fund for Haliegh’s return. This groups talks our of both sides of there mouth. Hard to believe anything they say, or do.
Hey,
Wasn’t trying to raise a ruckus with my comments about TM… I have supported him in the past… I just feel strongly about his comments. I think the way it was said was WRONG!!!
No problem, I just put that out for those that may not be aware of it.
cent, I don’t think you raised a ruckus I think Tim’s bizarre behavior has caused doubt & confusion. He befriends Ronald and then tells tales that no one else heard, gives Misty tests that are very questionable and unprofessional, and then hires Donna. That “Donna mother” stunt was just too much. If all this isn’t enough to do he goes public with it all. No cent, I think Tim did this to himself all by himself. jmo
To my fellow Bloggers,as this day comes to an end shortly,and I just came on for a while,I must say I was happy to see all the kind words you wrote to me about the quote about the Butterfly.I my self just went through a hard day and really was afraid to come on as today should of been the day my family,and friends would of done Making Strides for Breast Cancer walk.Out team is about 45 to 50 strong,but today only 5 walked for our team,the reason was a most wonderful young lady was laid to rest,she was a member of our team,she fought 7 long years,only to loss her battle Friday Oct.16th.So if ever there is an Angels she is one,she loved children and worked with youth groups,loved the Lord,and to us was a gift that kept giving.So at this time I really feel the Lord picked her to go on ahead and take care of these children that has been taken to soon.They are our Butterflies.So with this I close and thank you all,my tears just don’t stop.
D Kerr, I am sorry for your loss. It is wonderful though to know she is with the Lord.
D. Kerr,
I also read your quote and it was beautiful. In these times that we are all facing, it is very difficult one way or another. For me this past summer was the 4 yr Anniversary of the death of 3 women whom I adored. I count them as my Angels.
Treece,
Thanks… I am just angered by his insensitivity!!!!
I think HaLeigh deserves better than those words. Perhaps he didn’t mean to sound that way, and if he regrets it, then he should apologize to the family.
After all.. he regretted saying F–k You about MK.
Which is worst???
I think TM is an ass for what he said in that article. I also think he made an ass of himself with the Donna Brock mess, the way he told all the things that supposedly were said by Ron. I have lost all respect for him.
It is sad what Tim is turning into. It seems he got so mad at Ronald & Misty that he lost the focus of Haleigh, and has been obsessed with getting back at Misty.
It’s all so very sad. I don’t know the man, but I wish that he never would of said those things in the article. Just un-called for, I don’t even want to think about it anymore!!!
Please folks, a lot of people want Tim to go back and search the ponds, swamps, and woods for Haleigh. He is not going to find a living child in those places. You have to know that!
And there are a lot of people who do not think she is alive but you blast him for his opinion?
He’s entitled to that. He’s more entitled to it than we are really. He’s been there. He’s met the people involved. And if you read what he said, he also said he hoped she was alive.
So really we can’t ask him to search for her remains and seriously think she’s alive somewhere.
That’s just plain pie-in-the-sky and/or hypocritical of us.
cent @ 10:23 - Why should Tim apologize to the family? At least one side of that family asked him to come back and search again - and it was not for a living child.
We can hold out hope and never stop praying that she is alive but to shut up everyone who quite understandably thinks she’s no longer with us is not just unrealistic - it’s playing games or something. It’s not looking at the facts - it’s “fairy tale” time plus censorship.
You know, I can’t help it but I think the two cases could very well be related. They got away with it once - 9 months ago with Haleigh - and tried the same thing again this time with Somer.
Green Cove Springs, the first place they took the Orange Park trash and then on to Georgia, is almost exactly 1/2 way between Orange Park and Satsuma. It would seem likely that Satsuma’s trash would go there, too. This time, though, they intercepted it, and it was quite different with them watching individual trucks and following to GA. Last time, with Haleigh, they may have checked the landfill, but they focused on the circus in Satsuma. IMO.
working1, well you’ll find that PCSO disagrees with you. He’s already been interviewed and said the cases are entirely different. Of course PCSO KNOWS EVERYTHING! (except what happened to Haleigh).
And “come on” before you jump on me again, let me say that I am equally disgusted with every other individual and entity that has been and/or still is involved in the investigation of Haleigh’s disappearance.
m2c said,
in October 24th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
But I think we should check out the existing ones before possibly re-inventing the wheel so to speak. That only divides energy and limited funds instead of pooling them which makes the effort stronger.
http://www.stopchildpredators.org
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Very true. Thanks for link. I agree. I will check out this site. At quick glance it looks like the site is well organized. You guys are great. Where there’s a will there’s a way.
Thank you, SolveCrimes! I think it would be great if we could find an existing organization and give it our support.
Of course every individual can choose what organization they want. Or maybe there are local organizations people can help out with in their own communities if they prefer.
Thanks, m2C — I almost consider it a compliment that PCSO disagrees.
Well - and I probably shouldn’t say this — yes, they are different. In the first case, the family is pretty much impoverished, almost illiterate, living in a runned-down trailer park with practically everybody related to each other, and ingesting/smoking drugs and alcohol to escape reality.
In the second case, the family is well educated, articulate, live in a nice neighborhood, and had Charlie Crist (or Crisp - suntan) show up for the news conference.
In my heart, those are the only differences I see. I believe that both sets of parents are completely devastated, no matter what reaction we think is appropriate or inappropriate. Both were loved by their parents very much, and their parents were trying to do right by them the best they knew how, IMO. Both were beautiful little girls unfortunately living in a country where sexual preditors are set free every day to move in down the street, roam among us, and target their prey.
Really - if the PCSO is so sure that the cases are different — PLEASE RELEASE MORE INFORMATION. Otherwise, they both appear to be victims of sexual preditors to me, and I think PCSO needs to go back over their SO list a little more thoroughly (and bring a fresh set of eyes/ears with them). If you remove the differences above, and the Satsuma media circus, they are identical to me.
While looking for more information today on Somer Thompson, I came across a blog from some news station somewhere (can you get more vague than that - but I don’t remember) in the midwest. The bloggers there were criticizing Diena Thompson, saying she sounded like Susan Smith. And then there is Geraldo, blaming Diena for allowing her child to walk to school “when we wouldn’t even allow a poodle” to walk that far.
This may not have made any sense, but I am weary, disgusted, and sad.
working1 - Your post makes lots of sense!
I don’t think that LE in Somer’s case are ruling out an SO just because they’ve checked the ones that are known and local. Seems like PCSO is.
That’s what upsets me.
And I think it just beyond horrible to say anything negative - nevermind imply that the mother may have killed Somer (as in the Susan Smith case). Who are these “people” (bloggers) who dare to do that? I would LOVE to peek inside their perfect lives! LOL!
m2c I agree it is outrageous to lash out at Somer’s mother. I sent Geraldo & a number of others at Fox News emails expressing how inexcusable his words about her were last night.
I hope they get tons of mail against his heartless rudeness. Bloggers comparing her to Susan Smith are just as bad, imo. Any parent could have been in her shoes at some time, no matter how careful we tried to be. This is tragic and how others can kick her while she’s down is beyond me. treece
Off Topic:
Now this is putting a sicko away. This pedophile in Texas got 80 LIFE sentences!
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6685576.html
Houston Chronicle Houston, Tx 10-25-09
4:33 pm CDT
“Admitted Kerrville pedophile gets 80 life sentences”
Exactly - let them walk in the shoes of a parent with a missing/murdered child for one day.
Let them finally fall asleep at night only to wake up with the shock of reality stabbing them in the heart.
m2c said,in October 25th, 2009 at 7:26 am
cent @ 10:23 - Why should Tim apologize to the family? At least one side of that family asked him to come back and search again - and it was not for a living child.
We can hold out hope and never stop praying that she is alive but to shut up everyone who quite understandably thinks she’s no longer with us is not just unrealistic - it’s playing games or something. It’s not looking at the facts - it’s “fairy tale” time plus censorship
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m2c,
I am not into censoring anyone, I just feel that he could have been more sensitive to the nature of the case. I also don’t believe in fairy tales, I try to see things the way they are. And he was down right insensitive.
Did he know he was looking for a dead child when the family asked him to search. Because if that is the case, he didn’t quite give that impression.
m2c, this doesn’t seem like you, you appear to be over sensitive about what cent has said and your words to cent seem harsh. Not like you, is something wrong? Are you just having a bad day?
treece -
I sent an e-mail to Fox also - it will be interesting to see if he apologizes tonight.
I am sorry if my post to cent sounded harsh. I guess I’ve read a lot of very harsh criticism of Tim and find it difficult to deal with.
I don’t agree with or understand the Donna Brock business and yes he might have been more “sensitive” in his latest remarks but I just can’t join in the bashing.
First, if Tim went to search there again now, where do you think he’d be searching? Local homes, apartment buildings? No. The waters and marsh and woods. There is no living child there. That’s a fact. So people who want him to go back and search and then demand that he or anyone else believe that she’s alive are talking out of both sides of their mouth. Tim isn’t. He’s telling it like it is - his opinion and point of view.
Also, I have not walked in Tim’s shoes - had a child disappear, the cops give up, and finally have to go find her remains myself. I have not started an organization to help others and been out there finding bodies for people. Tim’s more sane than I would be if I had tried to do that.
And he’s taken a good bashing already recently for the Brock fiasco.
So for a man who’s suffered as he has and who has done so very much good in such a unique way, I just won’t second-guess him or criticize him.
With all the horrible horrible things that have been said about every member of both sides of Haleigh’s family by US and plenty of others, for us to criticize Tim for a remark that is not “sensitive” to the family members who want to believe she’s alive is just unbelievable!
It is SO EASY for us to sit at our computers and judge other people. TOO easy. I’m as guilty of it as the next person. I’m just at the point where I think it would do all of us a lot of good to step down from our pedestals of self-righteousness for a while.
Treece @ 7:22
I thought so too… I always say you never know what anyone else might be going through at the moment… so I’m not taking it personally.
M2c and I have disagreed before (I think), never the less I respect what m2c is saying/feeling in regards to TM, and I still stand by my own feelings about TM!!
During grades 1-6, I walked exactly one mile to school in the morning, one mile back home for lunch, 1 mile back to school after lunch, and 1 mile back home at the end of the day.
Everyone in my neighborhood walked in the rain, snow, sunshine. I imagine the other kids enjoyed it as much as I did.
Apparently, our parents did not think we were in danger, or else they would not have let us walk.
Same goes today - for Somer’s mom and every other parent who has ever let their child walk anywhere out of their site.
Somer’s mom said she felt guilty, and perhaps what she feels guilty about is trusting that it was safe for Somer to walk home from school.
If she could just turn back time . . .
But, sadly, she can’t.
cent & m2c, I respect both of your opinions and am glad we can all agree to disagree. Hope you both have a good evening. treece
working, glad you wrote fox too. I won’t be able to watch tonight so please let me know if anything is said. thanks, treece
My mother did not see danger in having me walk to and from school, but if I had been abducted, I think she would have beat herself up for letting me walk.
As it turned out, I, my brothers and sisters, and all my friends walked 5 miles each day for 6 years of elementary school. We were never harmed, and all the walking we did was healthy.
If one of us had been harmed, the person to blame would be the predator, not our mother.
blues, I agree, Somer’s mom was not negligent here. Things are different now and parents have to be more suspicious but she thought she had it covered. There were like 10 kids that walked together. She thought they were safe in numbers and they should have been. You are right the predator is the only guilty party here.
cent, thank you! It was NOT meant personally to you and I probably used the wrong word and way too negative one with “censorship.” So I apologize and appreciate your understanding.
And yes I guess today was my day to get overwhelmed by all the harsh criticism- what Geraldo said about Somer’s mother, what lots of people are saying about Tim etc etc. So the pot sort of boiled over at that point and did not have anything to do with cent’s comments particularly. So I do apologize, cent!
Hope everyone gets a good night’s sleep and prayers for little Haleigh AND for others who are praying for her and genuinely trying to help.
m2c, sweet dreams to you, I am sorry if my opinions about TM hurt you. treece
I’m with you, Treece. The problem is the predator, not the parents.
I am angry that children have to live in fear for their lives. Child predators have been around for a long time, but they seem more prevalent now.
Children aren’t even safe in classrooms . . .
So, I wonder if Geraldo would blame the parents of children murdered at school?
The thing is, we care and want to know what’s going on. And because we care, we look for information wherever we can get it (unlike — well, forget it).
Nancy Grace is absolutely the most rude person you can imagine. We would never want her in our homes. Yet, we want to know what is going on with these investigations because we care, and we sit through her disgusting, rude, self-serving antics to get at what we are hoping is the truth.
Jane Velez Mitchell - I used to like her, but she is using the Nancy tactics now. I think, maybe, because we watch we are telling them this is okay?
I can’t even go through a whole hour watching Geraldo tonight to see if he apologizes. I won’t watch him again. The same with Nancy and JVM. They are playing us. We can get the same information from the internet, which is what I will do from now on.
I will not let the likes of Geraldo, Nancy Grace, or JVM (BUY HER BOOK!) in my living room again.
Don’t let them get away with using us for their ratings again. It’s really ugly. IMO. And I won’t ever again.
And, really, if we do this, maybe some serious work can be done. No more “Miss Nancy”.
I think we have all kinda been down from all the sadness of more innocent children killed. It is hard to see anything good. Tonight I am thankful for the fact that Elizabeth and Somer’s bodies were recovered. Even though it is not the outcome we wanted, their families can have closure and start on the long load of healing. They aren’t still wondering. I am also thankful that Haleigh is still in the news!!!
treece -
You are right. They are still in the news. Maybe we have to wade through all the muck for these children, keep it alive and in the news so that justice can be done.
And you’re right, to keep it in the news, maybe we have to endure the “Miss Nancy” crap. However, Geraldo was sooooo out of line. In the world we live in now, probably no one cares right or wrong.
Thanks for helping me to see differently. God/the Universe/Higher Power can definitely do the wading if we stand strong and care.
working, I agree Geraldo crossed a line. To lash out at the crushed mother on one of these precious girls, murdered at the hand of a deranged human is too much. I have no use for Geraldo and never will after this. You are right God can sort out all the mess humans make. I am glad little Somer and Elizabeth are in His arms. They truly have peace, no sorrow, no regret, no pain. It is their families that need our prayers. Thank you too. treece
Do any of you live in Jacksonville FL? Do you know anyone who does? If so do any of them deal with or live inside of the “darker life” there? (Drug, alcohol, pills type lifestyle) Well, I do. I’ve spoken with 3 different people who know the Gano Ave & Debarry Rd area very well and THEY STATED THEY WOULDN”T LET A POODLE WALK DOWN that road eaither. What do you think about that? Can you believe it if it’s just someone who lives there and not a famous reporter? Can you believe that there really WAS better alternatives then allowing those children to walk? Does anyone wonder why she didn’t have after school care. Don’t scream money since she is in the perfect position to recieve it for free. She’s seperated, about to be divorced, with 3 kids at home, a minimum wage job= FREE CHILDCARE.
On a more personal note, why Somer’s dad’s comment about fears that something like this would happen. What about the live-in boyfriend while still married and going through a divorce? What do we know about this boyfriend? Why wait 2 hours to get the police involved?(She’s 7, not 12) Someone claimed that this family came from a nice neighborhood….WHAT? Are you serious? Just cause it looks ok doesn’t mean it is. It’s NOT a nice neighborhood. Lots of dope dealers & scumbags, ok. Her mother would/should have known this. Call 1st then look. It’s a big city for Christ’s sake!!!!
Holly,
From what I understand, she searched for two hours, and it was around 5:00 pm when she flagged down a member of the sheriff’s department.
That means she must have been home waiting for Somer at or before 3pm.
I haven’t heard an explanation for why she did not call 911 right away, but figure it may be because she was calling around to people whom Somer knew in the area.
Maybe Somer was a child who hid, to sulk, when she was upset. If so, her mom may have thought she was hiding somewhere, and so she searched places where she thought Somer might hide.
There is a photo of Somer sulking . . .
working1 (9:25 pm)
I would use to like watching JVM a long time ago but not anymore. She is too loud and is forever pushing her book!
A long, long time ago Nancy Grace had a good show. Sometimes I tape her and fast forward thru all of the replaying of the video clips that are so old! Her “Bombshells” are not breaking news to me because I have already read or viewed the info on the Internet. In my opinion, she is really behind on the news regarding some of the cases she covers.
Geraldo…..what can I say! Really reminds me of tabloid! In fact, sometimes, JVM and NG reminds me of tabloid!
Have you ever watched PrimeTime (Mike Gallanos) on HLN? I really do like him. I usually do not have time to watch him when he comes on at 4 p.m. CDT but I record him nearly every day.
I feel he is “grounded” and there are no dramatics, i.e., bombshell, shouting, rudeness, etc.
Diena says Somer would talk to anyone. She was very friendly.
I think it was ‘LawShrink’ who posted that pedophiles are interested in the children who make eye contact with them.
Because Somer was so trusting, so friendly, apparently even to strangers, the person(s) who murdered her may have offered her a ride home, or said he or she came to pick her up and take her home.
UPDATE re Somer Thompson Case:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-girl-in-landfill,0,525865.story
Orlando Sentinel Orlando, Fl
10-25-09 11:21 p.m. EDT
“Police vetting more than 1,000 tips, chasing leads of Fla. girl found in landfill”
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Article, Video, and Related Stories below this article (just click on title) and comments at the very bottom.
There are some interesting comments! For those who may not know, OrlandoEAST is suspected to be Cindy Anthony. There is a comment from OrlandoEAST on 10-25-09 at 5:58 p.m.
Blues;
Somers Mom was at work until after 4:00 PM
The person at home waiting for her to come home from school was her Mom’s bf named Sean Patton. There is a My Space site for mom and a FB for SP
The MS page of a friend of Somer’s mom had some pictures that were very offensive to some at another crime site. Also within 36 hrs of Somer’s disappearance SP changed his professional Reiki website wording (added adults to his clientel instead of just children & animals)and removed his picture and contact info (which was his ex-wife’s address supposedly) He remained at the home for the initial hour of “searching”. Sent the other children out to look for her instead of going himself (Why didn’t he get off his @ss and walk them ALL the way home?)There have been reports that LE already have a suspect and possibly a tip that lead them to the dump so quickly. A neighbor who has been watching the children in AM has made some comments to the fact that the “family” knows what is going on and other statements without spelling it all out. Just remember, if I am correct about my hunch…don’t kill the messenger, ok.
Quote from Clay County Sherriff’s Office
“I don’t want to tell that suspect what we are doing. I will tell him this: We are coming to get him.”
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=146992&catid=17
This is how well DCFS is really working in our communities
http://cbs3.com/topstories/Feltonville.Philadelphia.Police.2.1262982.html
Here’s another “good mom gone bad” in FL
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21398383/detail.html
A note on the Foster Care System
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime/Judge_-Pimp-was-child-prostitute_s-foster-father-8430191-65840457.html#
Pedophiles have no soul, none at all
http://www.abc-7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11353141#
Mother & boyfriend murderers
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/10/24/2009-10-24_mother_boyfriend_blame_each_other_in_brutal_death_of_4yearold_jayden_lenescar.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6555444.html
Talking about Somers Mom
This posted at another crime website discussing Somers Mom’s Myspace page.
“She’s friends with potheadsociety and has a weird pic someone posted of an infant smoking weed. Weird.”
Talking about pictures on her myspace
“I need brain bleach after seeing those pics, Padua — and I’m no prude!” & “I think you should, I would hate for you to get a TO, ya know? Cuz they’re pretty much clothed porn”
“Nope, she needs to thank her friend Texas Queen for having a c rap load of pics the public can see on her myspace and adding people’s names under them!!!! “
First let me clarify a few things sorry didnt answer sooner thanks treece for understanding my point by no means do i feel funds should be takin from any child search but my point is tim said he does not look for dead children and he beleives haleigh is not here any more well y announce you are going to search for her a 2nd time do you really think after 9 months that you are going to find the child alive in the woods or a pond ok then y say you comin back? the only reason i said that about the refund is some people donated just for haleigh mayb some of her fam donated these other children soner and elizabeth altho very tragic they are goin to have a proper burial some people feel like tim is not doing what he is supposed to do with the money and no matter the situation its not right to false advertise period and some people will be outraged and want a refund to give the money to someone who will do what they say thanks
I also live in jacksonville off 103rd it is a real big city i beleive there are sex offenders and drug dealers on every corner there are parts that are worse than others and another thing there is people trying to sell drugs @ local gas station hell the chuck e cheese serves beer that is awful in itself anyway no matter where your from someone could be watching i think some parents are busy raising multiple children and get caught up with every day life that they just think it cant happen to them
Ashberry, I have to agree….sometimes daily life is one’s focus and denial is a necessity sometimes, just to live where you do. If we all really thought about this stuff all day and half-the-night we would never be able to leave our doors or let our kids even go to school. These “bad thoughts” get pushed to the back of our minds so we can go out and live our lives.
The only reason I have jumped on this soap box is due to the national statistics on child murder. Highest % by someone close to them (family member, friend, ect). Then there’s the divorced aspect (#2 criteria), then live-in BF/step-parent (3rd criteria), the low/moderate income (4th criteria) with possibly even more that lines up with these stats. This is my main reasoning for suspecting the live-in.
Holly: i do agree with you sometimes mothers have such low self confidence they just allow a bad boy to be around there children it is dire they run a check on people they allow around their children it is very unfortunate that the children are the ones who say ultimate price and diana didnt show any kind of emotion to me she just said i cant beleive they threw her in the trash no tears i know people mourn differently but my god i just dont know somer didnt deserve this and she is not trash who ever done this to her is hopefully people will learn from these children and hear their voice and make changes to the way they care for their own children
God forbid that anyone should have to go through the torment and agony of having your child snatched off the street and murdered, but then have to go through the public humiliation of having every personal aspect and stupid mistake of your life being scrutinized, judged, and criticized.
People need to be very careful what they put on their MySpace and facebook pages. Diena could lose her job and her other children.
It makes me sick to think of the terror that beautiful little Somer went through. Hopefully, like Ash berry said, “people will learn from these children and hear their voice and make changes to the way they care for their own children.”
And hopefully laws will be changed and more money put into quality after-school activities and child care.
Justice - Thanks for posting the Orlando Sentinel info; it was very interesting (and yeah, what “tips”?)
Mike Galanos is intelligent and gives his heartfelt opinion. He is sincere and gets your attention with his integrity and class.
Have you noticed that Nancy’s Unleashed Lawyers and “experts” seem to have thinned out? How much money is that “show” paying these people to put their professional integrity out there to be belittled and demeaned by NG night after night? Don’t they make enough money at their day jobs?
I have to say one thing, though — I love calling my friends on the phone and leading the conversation off with “BREAKING NEWS!!!” or “BOMBSHELL TONIGHT!!!”
Pathetic, I know, but it amuses me.
working1, not pathetic, funny, made me laugh!
Hollysgmom, the stories in those links you posted are horrible. We live in a sick, sick world. It is scary. It saddens me so much, to think what those innocent children went through.
It is terrible. How much worse can our country get?
Jan. I just sent a email I think you may enjoy this information. Actually it went to Simons email.
Pat
IMPORTANT INFO:
This is a Link to a NATIONAL SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY which was developed by John Walsh.
In the Find Offenders section, just type in your address or any address you may want to search. You can also search by name.
When you enter an address,a map and a small icon of a house will appear. There will be red, blue and green dots surrounding that address. There is a Legend which indicates what the dots signify. When you click on these dots, a picture of a criminal will appear with his or her home address and the description of the crime he or she committed.
http://www.familywatchdog.us/
Family Watch Dog (National Sex Offender Registry)
I feel this is an excellent site to check your neighborhood or area and if you are monitoring an address elsewhere. Also, click on various info in the header. Some of the info may be useful and informative to you.
Besides this one, I have site specifics for the State of Texas and the County in which I live. In other words, I have 3 sites I can check.
I suggest you share it (the Link) with family and friends, especially those with children!
This was on Good Morning America this morning.
Article and Video Clip including an interview with John Walsh.
I found this informative!
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/somer-thompson-killer-serial-child-predator/story?id=891517
Good Morning America (abcnews.com) 10-26-09
“Justice for Somer Thompson: Predator May Have Killed Before”
Hi, HollysGmom!
Thank you for taking the time to post the Links.
It is sad and tragic in regard to what is happening to the innocent children in the U.S.
It is so hard for me to understand how anyone could hurt an innocent child. Just heartbreaking!
Pat I got your email and that is some very interesting information, Thanks for sending it to me.
Jan Barrett
Jan, you are very welcome.
m2c,
All is fine!!!!!
Well, here we have another teen tragedy… Alyssa will have her few moments of public fame, and then be yesterdays news.
If Alyssa wanted to stay in the spotlight a little long, she should have raped Elizabeth and then committed the brutal murder. It would add a little twist, some “spice” and give the reader much more to try and figure out. Plus with Alyssa being a girl, and committing a rape/murder would keep her in the news longer.
This story should not surprise you, I have read many posts, and keeping a 24hr watch on your child is not possible, and if someone wants to get your child they will… It can happen at the mall, the grocery store, a park, a friends house, the community pool, ANYWHERE!
So, Alyssa will have her day in court, which by the way, is the same judicial system that allows registered sex offenders to reside in the same house with a child, once they have served their time. Oh yes, very true!
In fact, the Fort Osage School District a few years ago allowed a registered sex offender to walk your halls, and attend sporting events that were school related! How did this happen? Because nobody stops to ask you if you are a threat!
So, if you think your child won’t end up a victim, think again, it will happen. At some point you will let your guard down, and when that happens, someone just might be waiting!!!
Well, here we have another teen tragedy… Alyssa will have her few moments of public fame, and then be yesterdays news.
If Alyssa wanted to stay in the spotlight a little long, she should have raped Elizabeth and then committed the brutal murder. It would add a little twist, some “spice” and give the reader much more to try and figure out. Plus with Alyssa being a girl, and committing a rape/murder would keep her in the news longer.
This story should not surprise you, I have read many posts, and keeping a 24hr watch on your child is not possible, and if someone wants to get your child they will… It can happen at the mall, the grocery store, a park, a friends house, the community pool, ANYWHERE!
So, Alyssa will have her day in court, which by the way, is the same judicial system that allows registered sex offenders to reside in the same house with a child, once they have served their time. Oh yes, very true!
In fact, the Fort Osage School District a few years ago allowed a registered sex offender to walk your halls, and attend sporting events that were school related! How did this happen? Because nobody stops to ask you if you are a threat!
So, if you think your child won’t end up a victim, think again, it will happen. At some point you will let your guard down, and when that happens, someone just might be waiting!!!
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