Comments on: Equal protection…under the law includes the Catholic Church! http://www.bloggernews.net/122700 High-quality English language analysis and editorial writing on the news. Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:52:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Norma V. http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1430254 Norma V. Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:40:09 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1430254 Separation of church and state seems to work in favor of the Catholic Church. It appears that the Catholic Church declaring bankruptcy at the eleventh hour is another ploy to prevent releasing documentation during a trial. Separation of church and state seems to work in favor of the Catholic Church. It appears that the Catholic Church declaring bankruptcy at the eleventh hour is another ploy to prevent releasing documentation during a trial.

]]> By: hjmn4 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1429095 hjmn4 Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:21:49 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1429095 The issue unfortunately is terribly complex and very elaborate. All of the comments above make legitimate points, however animosity does not provide a solution to the problem. Perhaps the most effective method of change for Catholics revolves around a renewal of our sacred beliefs, and a closer partnership between clergy and laity. The academic and intellectual resources of the Catholic people extend far beyond just Sunday worship. Perhaps the "grass-roots," development of change envisioned through the Second Vatican Council will happen to build up the community of faith. Fr. Rahner wrote extensively about the possibility of a more compact and locall rooted Church in the tradition of the nascent Church at Jerusalem. The model of post-Pentecost early Catholicism should be given renewed appeal and consideration. Author. The issue unfortunately is terribly complex and very elaborate.
All of the comments above make legitimate points, however animosity does not provide a solution to the problem.
Perhaps the most effective method of change for Catholics revolves around a renewal of our sacred beliefs, and a closer partnership between clergy and laity.
The academic and intellectual resources of the Catholic people extend far beyond just Sunday worship.
Perhaps the “grass-roots,” development of change envisioned through the Second Vatican Council will happen to build up the community of faith.
Fr. Rahner wrote extensively about the possibility of a more compact and locall rooted Church in the tradition of the nascent Church at Jerusalem. The model of post-Pentecost early Catholicism should be given renewed appeal and consideration.
Author.

]]> By: Greg Bullough http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1428324 Greg Bullough Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:22:31 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1428324 Had the Catholic Church not worked systematically for years to deny existing and potential victims of sexual abuse by clergy "equal protection" the column wouldn't exist. The abusers threatened their victims, saying they wouldn't be believed, and worse. The dioceses used guilt, intimidation, and even threats of legal action to keep complaints from coming to the attention of law enforcement. All of this is well-established. So to talk about "equal protection" now is a bit one-sided. The Church is getting a lot more slack than they ever gave those kids. Had the Catholic Church not worked systematically for years to deny existing and potential victims of sexual abuse by clergy “equal protection” the column wouldn’t exist.

The abusers threatened their victims, saying they wouldn’t be believed, and worse.

The dioceses used guilt, intimidation, and even threats of legal action to keep complaints from coming to the attention of law enforcement.

All of this is well-established. So to talk about “equal protection” now is a bit one-sided. The Church is getting a lot more slack than they ever gave those kids.

]]> By: Albino Luciani http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1428132 Albino Luciani Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:03:06 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1428132 HJMN4, You Are WRONG. The Roman Catholic Church has and continues to act, as Former Governor Frank Keating of Oklahoma (and Roman Catholic) stated when he saw the Review Board he was on for the sexual crimes perpetrated by the Church was a rubber stamp deflection, "La Cosa Nostra". The Church pleads they want protection under the law, but then repeatedly violates it, brazenly. The Curia are indeed proven criminals, and only deserve Federal RICO prosecution. Guilty until proven innocent does not require that criminal organizations, which the curia clearly has become, deserve equal protection, of rank and file US citizenry. In point of fact, there is a very sound argument the Roman Catholic Church is a foreign agent and power, not within the confines of separation of Church and State, Constitutionally. One might even soundly argue, under the Patriot Act, the Roman Catholic Curia are indeed known, clear & present danger, terrorists. 140,000 children raped, sodomized, extorted, kidnapped, physically maimed, mentally tortured, suicided, and murdered in 30 years; why it makes Al Queda look like an amateur organization in body count comparisons. Ciao, Albino Luciani, MURDERED POPE HJMN4, You Are WRONG.

The Roman Catholic Church has and continues to act, as Former Governor Frank Keating of Oklahoma (and Roman Catholic) stated when he saw the Review Board he was on for the sexual crimes perpetrated by the Church was a rubber stamp deflection, “La Cosa Nostra”.

The Church pleads they want protection under the law, but then repeatedly violates it, brazenly.

The Curia are indeed proven criminals, and only deserve Federal RICO prosecution.

Guilty until proven innocent does not require that criminal organizations, which the curia clearly has become, deserve equal protection, of rank and file US citizenry.

In point of fact, there is a very sound argument the Roman Catholic Church is a foreign agent and power, not within the confines of separation of Church and State, Constitutionally.

One might even soundly argue, under the Patriot Act, the Roman Catholic Curia are indeed known, clear & present danger, terrorists.

140,000 children raped, sodomized, extorted, kidnapped, physically maimed, mentally tortured, suicided, and murdered in 30 years; why it makes Al Queda look like an amateur organization in body count comparisons.

Ciao,

Albino Luciani,
MURDERED POPE

]]> By: hjmn4 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1428066 hjmn4 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:11:18 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1428066 If indeed the Catholic Diocese of Wilmington is obscuring assets through the legal process of Chapter 11, that is something a Federal judge should examine. While I deplore the filing of the Catholic Diocese of Wilmington, I am well aware that the action is a legal "shell game." As long as Catholic Dioceses continue to hide the assets under new forms of corporate protection, this scandal will take on new and unfortunate forms. However, the Catholic Church does deserve equal protection under our judicial code in American, just as the victims deserve the same consideration and sanctuary under our legal system. HJMN4 If indeed the Catholic Diocese of Wilmington is obscuring assets through the legal process of Chapter 11, that is something a Federal judge should examine. While I deplore the filing of the Catholic Diocese of Wilmington, I am well aware that the action is a legal “shell game.”
As long as Catholic Dioceses continue to hide the assets under new forms of corporate protection, this scandal will take on new and unfortunate forms.
However, the Catholic Church does deserve equal protection under our judicial code in American, just as the victims deserve the same consideration and sanctuary under our legal system.
HJMN4

]]> By: Albino Luciani http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1427694 Albino Luciani Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:31:33 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1427694 The USCCB (Unremoved Sexual Criminal Cabal Bishops) and Roman "La Cosa Nostra" Pedo Curia, GAMED the civil and criminal courts (and are still doing so) for decades, to hard ball litigate and settle out of court with sealed records for decades, as well as obstruct justice, racketeer, defraud, endanger, aid & abet felons, kidnap, extort, murder, embezzle, etc. The Courts & Law have FAILED victims, repeatedly. The State Legislatures and Congress have failed victims, repeatedly. Law Enforcement has failed victims, repeatedly. THE SOLUTION? "STOP DONATING LAITY" as St. Peter Damien correctly asserted. DAILY verified & vetted reporting on the subject of the curia caused, as well as ongoing, crime spreers may be read at: www.bishop-accountability.org/abusetracker To date, over 140,000 American children have been raped and sodomized by Roman Catholic clergy and curia, in the past 30 years, costing laity well over $4.5 BILIION diverted & stolen laity offetory plate dollars, squandered laity paid for assets, and absolutley no correction, or punishment of the primary cause, the aid & abetting curia. The pedo curia is a CLEAR & PRESENT DANGER! Where are Federal RICO prosecutions?! There is no middle ground, you are either financially contributing to a proven and pervasive curia caused pedophile cult, or you are not. HOW WILL YOU ANSWER YOUR MAKER?! Fiat Lux & Veritas! Albino Luciani MURDERED POPE The USCCB (Unremoved Sexual Criminal Cabal Bishops) and Roman “La Cosa Nostra” Pedo Curia, GAMED the civil and criminal courts (and are still doing so) for decades, to hard ball litigate and settle out of court with sealed records for decades, as well as obstruct justice, racketeer, defraud, endanger, aid & abet felons, kidnap, extort, murder, embezzle, etc.

The Courts & Law have FAILED victims, repeatedly.

The State Legislatures and Congress have failed victims, repeatedly.

Law Enforcement has failed victims, repeatedly.

THE SOLUTION? “STOP DONATING LAITY” as St. Peter Damien correctly asserted.

DAILY verified & vetted reporting on the subject of the curia caused, as well as ongoing, crime spreers may be read at: http://www.bishop-accountability.org/abusetracker

To date, over 140,000 American children have been raped and sodomized by Roman Catholic clergy and curia, in the past 30 years, costing laity well over $4.5 BILIION diverted & stolen laity offetory plate dollars, squandered laity paid for assets, and absolutley no correction, or punishment of the primary cause, the aid & abetting curia.

The pedo curia is a CLEAR & PRESENT DANGER!

Where are Federal RICO prosecutions?!

There is no middle ground, you are either financially contributing to a proven and pervasive curia caused pedophile cult, or you are not.

HOW WILL YOU ANSWER YOUR MAKER?!

Fiat Lux & Veritas!

Albino Luciani
MURDERED POPE

]]> By: gabe http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1427680 gabe Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:03:21 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1427680 Hugh, don't be so naive as to believe that the diocese of Wilmington is really bankrupt. Why would they wait until the day before the trial to begin to declare this? I live within the boundaries of the diocese of San Diego, CA, and Bishop Brom tried the same thing here. Fortunately we had an honorable judge who researched on her own and was not intimidated by the catholic church. She discovered that the diocese was nowhere near bankruptcy, but was doing this to avoid the release of records that would come out during a trial. The trials proceeded. Most of the diocese have plenty of money in car dealerships, apartment buildings, condominiums, etc. There is truly no need to declare bankruptcy except to avoid a trial. Hugh, don’t be so naive as to believe that the diocese of Wilmington is really bankrupt. Why would they wait until the day before the trial to begin to declare this? I live within the boundaries of the diocese of San Diego, CA, and Bishop Brom tried the same thing here. Fortunately we had an honorable judge who researched on her own and was not intimidated by the catholic church. She discovered that the diocese was nowhere near bankruptcy, but was doing this to avoid the release of records that would come out during a trial. The trials proceeded. Most of the diocese have plenty of money in car dealerships, apartment buildings, condominiums, etc. There is truly no need to declare bankruptcy except to avoid a trial.

]]> By: unabletotrust http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1427623 unabletotrust Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:28:26 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1427623 The 'catholic church' has come to this point because they 'hid and enabled' the abusers and circumvented the "Statue of Limitations" which eliminated court proceedings. The church is always deeply saddned and ashamed after they are discovered !! They are never concerned about the "VICIMS" utill after a claim is filed. The delaware archdiocese is using a legal tactic to avoid making public what they knew and when they knew it. I hope they go out of business !!!! The ‘catholic church’ has come to this point because they ‘hid and enabled’ the abusers and circumvented the “Statue of Limitations” which eliminated court proceedings. The church is always deeply saddned and ashamed after they are discovered !! They are never concerned about the “VICIMS” utill after a claim is filed. The delaware archdiocese is using a legal tactic to avoid making public what they knew and when they knew it. I hope they go out of business !!!!

]]> By: hjmn4566 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1427611 hjmn4566 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:05:00 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1427611 Transparency should also include full disclosure of all accounts. The judicial system should not be abused to further "muddy," the truth. It is indeed time for full disclosure on all levels by the hierarchy. HJMN the author Transparency should also include full disclosure of all accounts. The judicial system should not be abused to further “muddy,” the truth. It is indeed time for full disclosure on all levels by the hierarchy.
HJMN
the author

]]> By: JohnBS1 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1427575 JohnBS1 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:18:11 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/122700#comment-1427575 While there is much that I can agree with this little gem left me short for a while "has now caused our Catholic Dioceses to resort to litigation more in keeping with civil law". If you ever get the chance to see verified financial accounts you will see that the church has in the past and continues in the present to spend more on civil law, to influence and manipulate civil law at every opportunity - it has done since before my childhood. Most of these upstanding pariahs are highly regarded within the church hierarchy. While there is much that I can agree with this little gem left me short for a while “has now caused our Catholic Dioceses to resort to litigation more in keeping with civil law”. If you ever get the chance to see verified financial accounts you will see that the church has in the past and continues in the present to spend more on civil law, to influence and manipulate civil law at every opportunity - it has done since before my childhood. Most of these upstanding pariahs are highly regarded within the church hierarchy.

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