You are a vile evil person by taking your hatred for Misty across the net and spewing your venom against VICTIMS.

No matter what any of our feelings are for Misty TODAY, when she was 13 she was the VICTIM of a horrific crime. SO SAYS THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

You need to get over yourself and those that are allowing you to spew your lies about a minor child VICTIM should rethink what they are allowing you to do.

JMO of course.

Art Harris, Tim Miller, and Cobra will do fine walking the paths they’ve chosen to walk. They don’t need you to support them so whether you do or not does not matter. Do you think they would support the paths you choose to take in your life?

You both suond very bossy and controlling. They have their lives to live their way, not yours.

Are you related to the clan or just a nosey busybody? Where you gettin’ what you probably think is dirty laundry? Got any of your own you’d like to share?

You make it out to be that Ron never provided a home for his sweetheart at the time and his baby Haleigh, just stayed with his mama Teresa all them years but you can’t just go spouting off unless you got proof to back up what you say.

lol…funny you should say that. I’ve questioned several peoples “strategery” in this case.

Was that just mistaken identity if anyone knows?

Vaquera, you are so right.. and it seems they just may not be gone.. Whatever cobra has chosen to do, which involves Kim or any of the rest.. It’s his path, he’s chosen it…..
And he will walk it without my support.. that one has ended!!!!! Art has chosen his path and he walks without my support also.. Tim Miller, I never in my wildest dreams would ever have thought he was so vendictive, he harms himself without help from others. and it will be at his own doing.. The rest, I wouldn’t give the time of day!!!!!! Absolutely disgusted by the whole bunch of them..

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I agree..

You know the old saying about when you lay down with dogs, you will get fleas. I hope cobra has his flea collar on.

And as President Bush said-
There’s an old saying in Tennessee - I know it’s in Texas, it’s probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on … shame on you. It fool me. We can’t get fooled again.”

You get my drift LOL

thank you for answering me. i meant to post on previous thread. it sure was out of context here. isn’t it all so sad? and what about amber. her baby has no dad and only a sometimes mom. nay nay has a baby and she is also in jail. this is a really big mess. the parents and the children.

i keep thinking about cobra’s friend he has mentioned. the woman who is raising babies. i know he said she gets paid government money for doing so. he made it sound like tight circumstances. i wonder if she is a charity too? for the holidays coming up. if cobra knows anything about that? if people can give holiday donations. i don’t remember her name.

Native Alien, NO one in their right mind would make a plea bargain for a heinous crime when they are a minor and the charge is going to declare them an adult and send them to prison unless they were totally guilty. A lawyer would be totally negligent to allow such. There is enough injustice and drama going on with this I think it would be best to leave this subject alone. JMO treece
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Exactly, treece. No SA is going to try a 16 YO on just the word of a 13 YO without evidence to back it up. When a brutal rape of a child turns into a 13 YO that was into kinky sex then I think the poster is a lot of bricks short of a full load.

Her mom was with the drug dwelling guy Lauramore at the time Crystal was 14 and didn’t give a hoot where she was.

I know you feel strongly about this but that was a case long ago that was adjudicated and decided.
Presumably the accused had a lawyer and I understand he did take a plea deal (so I guess it did not go to court). Maybe it should have gone to court and then all that you’re mentioning could have been brought out. But if you feel that this was a travesty of justice then maybe some of those “witnesses” or people can step forward now and try to get the guy a new trial (or whatever is appropriate at this stage). Otherwise I just don’t know what can be done about or what the purpose is in continuing to talk about it except throw more mud and suspicion on someone who is already covered in it.

For one thing Misti and her mother were living in a mobile home at the time, in a mobile home park, in Flagler Beach. The trailer next door was less than 8 feet away bedroom window to bedroom window. Do a Zabasearch for Lisa Croslin and check out the address that comes back to Flagler Beach via Google Maps.

Secondly, people that know/knew both Misti and Jeremy at the time, are more than willing to talk about the incident and what their impressions of Misti and Jeremy were at the time.

Third and just for the record, I am not related to Jeremy Miller in any way, shape, or form. But I do believe in calling a spade a spade.

Fourth, Lisa Croslin collected money from a victim’s advocacy group for Misti to have counciling after the “rape” and Misti was suppose to attend rehab for her drug addiction problems. Neither was done as Misti decided that she wanted to move back to Michigan and live with her brother.

Lastly, funny how Misti points the finger at someone else, ( I have noticed that she likes to point her finger at males and say he touched or abused me without any evidence), any time that someone is about to hold her accountable for her actions.

i don’t know these people personally at all.

i was not really try to say ron was a car thief.

i was more trying to make a point about the dr.s visits. that we don’t know all the facts and maybe she is not as callous a mother based on that fact alone. earlier when haleigh went missing many women seemed ready to judge her by a different standard than ronald. true, it is a ding ding ding. for, me it was a ding ding ding for both parents. someone should have made sure haleigh got to the doctor. JMO

just to make myself clear and not further the misunderstanding, i believe m.g. said there was a driving issue involved. so she bought crystal a car to help out the situation. because crystal did not have a driver’s license (and maybe she said crystal was still underage - to own a car) they could not put the title in crystal’s name. so marie bought the car and they put it in ron’s name, with the understanding it was going to be for crystal’s use. yes of course ron may have been contributing to the cost of the upkeep of the car. absolutely, i agree. i believe marie’s point was ron and crystal were still together for at least some of the missed appointments. if true, i believe as he had a car and driver’s license, maybe he could have driven them to the doctor’s so crystal could take haleigh there. maybe some are judging one parent for what both may have done. i wish this particular issue was not a consideration without hearing both sides.

to me it was a legal argument maybe with out all the facts. (when i said exaggerated issue - poor choice of words) i personally am not going to say crystal should have lost the children, based on ronald’s (or maybe it was his lawyer’s) argument. this is just one fact. i remembered marie saying there was more to the missed appointments, than was said in court.

there was no legal issue about ron keeping the car, that i know of. i was trying to add, not further confuse the arguments about what happened to haleigh. marie’s point about ron keeping the car, the way i heard it, was crystal again was without a car. again, ron had a car.

to me it was not that important in judging crystal’s callousness, such as would she deliberately harm haleigh, i don’t see it that way. and i really hope neither parent is involved. if crystal is involved, i pray it is because she loves haleigh and is trying to protect her. not my head, my gut says it just doesn’t feel like that is what happened. but i wish that is what happened or is happening. :S

I just firmly believe that at some point in your early “young adulthood”, you’ve got an instinct as to what is right and what is wrong.

The foundation may have been laid by someone else, but you choose your own path.

There is no doubt Misty has suffered, but when she says that she would never harm a child, cause she was abused… that right there is very telling, it shows that she IS capable of thinking/making positive decisions.

“to marry and live happily ever after” (Thank you very much - not - Mr. Disney, you A-hat! LOL!)

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ROFLMAO.. ’bout lost my coffee on that one.

Although, her parents are grossly at fault, I can’t help but wonder if Misty EVER TRULY wanted anything different for herself. I know the saying that kids live what they are taught. But it comes a time, when even as a teen you start to question sh*t. You see others your age doing the right thing, having a better life, enjoying themselves. Even if she wasn’t exposed to the “good life” directly, she’s seen it in the movies, music videos, and so on. (Am I making sense?)

I guess what I’m trying to get across is that although you didn’t have the examples first hand, doesn’t mean you couldn’t or shouldn’t want better for yourself.

And I don’t care what anyone says…. I am sadden for her…. past!!!

Now it’s time for her to grow up.

If you look at the statute in FL for alimony, I don’t think Misty even qualifies for any alimony:

(In part)
Chapter 61
DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE; SUPPORT; TIME-SHARING

61.08 Alimony.–

(2) In determining a proper award of alimony or maintenance, the court shall consider all relevant economic factors, including but not limited to:

(a) The standard of living established during the marriage.

(b) The duration of the marriage.

(c) The age and the physical and emotional condition of each party.

(d) The financial resources of each party, the nonmarital and the marital assets and liabilities distributed to each.

(e) When applicable, the time necessary for either party to acquire sufficient education or training to enable such party to find appropriate employment.

(f) The contribution of each party to the marriage, including, but not limited to, services rendered in homemaking, child care, education, and career building of the other party.

(g) All sources of income available to either party.
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This was a very short marriage, exactly 7 months that did not exactly have a high standard of living. They didn’t live on their own at all the entire time during the marriage.

c. They are both young and there has been tremendous emotional strain (obviously) on both of them over the course of the marriage.

d. They have no money, nor assets.

e. Misty obviously has no training nor education. Not sure what level of education has acquired. I think it is safe to say that both of them could use further education. Misty especially.

f. Has either of them really contributed much to this marriage, really?

g. Neither of them has a source of income.

There is no money in which for Ron to pay alimony. In any event, the point is moot and the divorce is final.

kbmeade. This was a divorce.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/16/petition.for.disollution.of.marriage.pdf

You can see the Joint Petition for Divorce at the link above.

cent - IF is a non-issue for me but I understand you keeping an open mind.

Katfish - yesssss…and YOU ARE SO RIGHT about the Rx.

Treece - not from the area. Transplant from Texas and YES I do think this will be solved. It’s just hard to watch from the sidelines.

It’s never easy watching somebody else try to solve a puzzle…you want to take it away from them & have a turn at it yourself. Can’t do that tho, can we?

Like J said, even after a plea bargain, he was still sentenced to 8+ years.

To whomever asked about why the Misty wasn’t diagnosed with a LD early on, her parents moved about 13 times according to research on them. I don’t think she was in any school system long enough to receive that kind of help, sadly.

As far as how Misty has dealt with PCSO, I don’t know either unless she’s got so little disregard for adults and authority (very likely) and/or no fear or no guilt or no knowledge. I sure don’t know.

I am still having a hard time trying to figure out how a 17 year old can stand down an entire police department.

And as far as the learning disabilities, everyone here are right at using caution when assigning that label.

My son has LD’s, and it’s not as simple to diagnose as most people would think. There is a slew of ranges when it comes to LD’s. I am by no means an expert on the struggle involved, but, my son is a 17 yr veteran of this sometimes very disheartening saga.

I won’t go on with the LD issue, only just remember that when dealing with it, sometimes it brings out other behaviour issues.
If left unchecked… can lead to a terrible childhood/adulthood.

By the way… children who have Congenital Disorders often will have LD’s… Parts of my son’s heart had to be replaced with plastic, when he was less than a week old. And he’s had atleast 3 more surgeries since, and he’s not done… yet!!

Just something to think about when thinking of HaLeigh’s medical issues.

“NayNay, Misty & White Boy Greg were all over at Chad’s house”

Chad Elliot is THAT Chad.

treece -

Sorry, I’m just ranting because I don’t belong to any regular forum.

Let me see if I can explain…

A “snitch” is somebody who gets busted on their own stupidity & instead of taking the fall alone, they give somebody else up.

Most know that when the cops come looking for a kid, all bets are off. Snitching doesn’t count. The cops don’t care about what drugs you’re doing…they just want to find the kid.

If you don’t help them then they don’t go away. They start taking EVERYBODY to jail.

Nobody in prison gets beat up because they helped police catch somebody who hurt a kid. Doesn’t happen.

When Cobra started putting pressure on the drug scene, he had the EXACTLY the right idea, I just don’t think he realized how on top of them he was. I think he leads with his heart & his nose more than his head sometimes (which is why he gets into trouble) and I DO think Kim was undermining him.

Anyway…apparently he was ALL OVER Jerome at one point & Jerome was gunning for him (Cobra) but as soon as Jerome realized that NayNay wasn’t who Cobra was after, he lightened up. (Of course he would)

So, he (Jerome) lead everybody around by their noses but that could only last for so long.

Basically, they screwed with the cops… stirred up a hornets nest & now PCSO is going out of their way to drag everybody & their kitchen sinks in. None of those people are going to appreciate being brought in over a missing kid that they had nothing to do with.

Soooooo…in this case, it’s going to be the ones who DIDN’T snitch (what they know about Haleigh) who have the hardest time with the other inmates.

Follow?

No problem at all.

Knowing what happened to Misty when she was a child, and hearing people try to turn it around on HER and make it sound like this was HER fault just makes my hair stand on end. There is just no justification to take a child that was a victim and turn that into tabloid fodder. There are some following this case that want to do just that. The fact of the matter is, that Misty WAS a victim of a horrible crime. The person was arrested & convicted. J.M. was sentenced to over 8 years in prison (and that was after taking a plea bargain). Keep in mind that this was a 16 year old boy sentenced as an adult. The crime was horrific. IMO, some things need to be ‘off limits’. There are a reason that minor’s records are not available to the general public.

I do understand people being curious to all things surrounding Misty, or any other person that is involved in HaLeigh’s life. I hope I didn’t sound cross. That wasn’t my intention. I hate seeing a victim blamed, and no matter what Misty may be in HaLeigh’s case, she WAS a victim in this event.

Beth Ann, you are welcome!
Misty did not tell me. I happen to be talented at researching.

I guess bias only applies if someone is slanting a report in a certain direction based on receiving that payment….has that happened here…I don’t know. The professionals involved in reporting on this case should make money as long as that money isn’t received from someone directly involved in the case in exchange for slanting the story.

Frankly I’m growing weary of all the drama but I recognize this is the Barret’s blog, to report what is of interest to them….if I don’t like it I can skip over it. Who else is supplying reports from folks who are “on the ground” covering this case? I appreciate them keeping Haleigh’s story out there.

I went back and read all of the entries on my blog (my thoughts based on media reports) regarding Haleigh’s disappearance and we don’t know anymore about this case than we did in February….no wonder everyone is so frustrated….drama has seemed to be the driving force in keeping this story out there from the start.

I noticed a comment I made about Cobra back in March, here that is, “Another interesting (and dramatic)twist to this case is a private investigator who has involved himself in this case. He goes by the name “Cobra”. He couldn’t talk about any specific leads he’s working. But he says one thing is for sure, we can expect a break in Haleigh’s case very soon. Cobra says he’s investigating the case free of charge. And he says he will stay in Putnam County until he’s confident the case is closed. No offense Cobra but at this point at katfishponders you are being given the same weight given a certain bounty hunter who rode in to save the day in Caylee’s case.”

I guess my opinion remains the pretty much the same except I appreciate the fact Cobra has stayed on the case at peril to his ability to earn a living. He obviously cares about finding Haleigh and the truth.I feel the same about Tim Miller. While I think they would have furthered their cause more by keeping the results of their investigations out of the media, I do realize they may have had their reasons for rattling a few cages out there.

Even though I’m beginning to think this case has been in the LE cold file for some time now, and wonder if this precious child is even alive, I’m still praying for a safe return of Haleigh. Hopefully all this drama will serve some good by keeping the pressure on LE.

Sorry for rambling.

Now look what’s happening. PCSO is bringin it.

It’s kind of ironic. In this particular scenario it’s going to be the ones who DIDN’T snitch (help with Haleigh) who have the hardest time in jail….because of everybody else they took down with them.

First I heard Misty was tortured. Who tortured her? That in itself is a news story.
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Beth Ann,

There was a 16 year old boy, J.M. (I will not use his name even though he was arrested AND convicted) because it has nothing to do with HaLeigh’s case). He was CONVICTED for:

Lewd, Lascivious battery sex w/victim 12-15 years old; F.S. 800.04(4)(a)

Misty was 13 years old when this happened. This 16 year old boy is STILL incarcerated and is required to Register as a Sexual Offender for what he did to Misty. It was a BRUTAL CRIME against her.

That said, it is NOT a new’s story. It happened when Misty was a minor and shouldn’t be discussed, IMO. It has nothing to do with HaLeigh, and Misty’s privacy should be respected, IMO.

BouncyBelle, you don’t mention torture but the things you wrote happenned to her are and the perpetrator should have been arrested.

See thats the cycle of abuse. The people who abused her were probably abused.

We need to have empathy for everyone involved because everyone involved has been abused in my opinion.

Looking forward to your Radio Show tomorrow at 3 p.m. CDT!

What dreams for the future could Misty have had? Having babies?

Native has gone from forum to forum saying that Misty was not a VICTIM at 13 years old of horrible multiple rapes where she was held against her will. A 13 year old.

It’s a good thing the judge knows differently and put JM away for 8+ years.

You aren’t going into enough details for me to understand, if her life was better or worse than it has been betrayed. I have kept up with this story very carefully, but I know we don’t have the full story. I wouldn’t even know where to start looking for those kinds of details. If you are a local person, you are one up on us with the facts.

I don’t want anyone to be guilty, because that is the way I am. Unless we get Haleigh back alive, there won’t be a winner in this situation.

Does she have learning disabilities? I don’t think so. I do believe that she is somewhat uneducated as far as book learning goes.

Like I said there is much about Misti and her life that isn’t being told on the blogs and websites. So for people to make any kind of judgment without having ALL the facts just leads to wrong opinions.

Art Harris stated on Nancy Grace 2 nights ago that Misty’s grandmother confirmed to him that she has learning disabilities.

I agree with what you are saying, and I hope in a strange way, this awful tragedy will offer her some opportunities. There may be many people who will give her a helping hand and advice. She is going to have to decide to take the help. We all have to decide, and she could turn her life around.

I think to Simon and some of the other people in this business, this is interestin, but people, who are following this story, aren’t interested. We just want to know about the case. We want to find Haleigh.

Those that think he’s a nut case, you have to admit, the man always has either written or audio proof, he’s no fool.

Besides, if she loves Ronald so much, why did she hook up w/ WBG?
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Playing games. She wanted to marry Ronald, pretended to be pregnant, was doing drugs.

I am asking WinterRose her SOURCE - the reason she is saying that Misty has learning disabilities. IMO it’s not a good thing to attach that kind of label to someone without real factual back-up. Maybe it is a fact. If so I’d like to know the source. Otherwise it’s one of those rumors that gets repeated so many times that people take it as fact. And I don’t like that either.

Misty loves Ronald.
Maybe she’s not JUST scared of Ron & the law.
Maybe she just can’t bring herself to break the heart of the man she really does love.
Maybe she thinks it’s better for him to hold onto hope.

Maybe that’s where she’s finding her strength to keep lying.

Just something to think about.

I was in total agreement with you on the witness/statement comments all the way up until you suggested that NayNay & Misty might be the ones needing protection.

eek no…NayNay want to “slap the f**k out of witness”…remember? (read her letter) NayNay want boyfriend to talk to witness. NayNay only ACT helpless when arrested. NayNay baaaaaaaad. As for Misty, she had her chance to talk & didn’t.

BUT……my faith in LE has been renewed today.

Chad Elliott (aka alleged house party host) was arrested.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=757039&IMG=59629

yesssssssss

WinterRose: In my thinking I’m like doing great then as opposed to doing poorly later? It’s common knowledge that Haleigh has Turner’s Syndrome and could possibly have heart problems. Was she on any medication? If so, was Misty responsible enough to administer it properly? In all the interviews I’ve seen, Misty seems to be very straightforward to the point of when the kids went to bed, then she gets very vague.

Misty is now an emancipated minor and has the same rights and responsibilities as an adult. She could take the initiative and get her backside down to an Adult Learning Center and start working on her GED. There have been people in similar or worse situations who have gone on to win full scholarships. Unless, of course, she likes everyone feeling sorry for her because she’s so ignorant and uneducated.

I, too, wonder about the “divorce.” Another stunt?

As far as Art Harris is concerned - if that’s who the article above is saying was “hired,” - I don’t care. 99.9% of the reporters on this story are paid by someone. The only thing that matters is whether the reports are therefore biased. And I’ve never heard that any were biased.

Steph Watts is another story. He’s trying to make a new career for himself. I don’t wonder too much about any money he might have made off the road rage incident because I don’t know that he had an exclusive inside track on it. However he DID have exclusive footage of Misty’s LDT and hypnosis session. So I wonder if he made money on that. Again, the important question to me is whether the reports or video are biased. Not whether someone is being paid or not. Even Cobra was paid in the beginning by a couple of people and then got donations from the public. That should not be the issue. Again, as with all the others, the only (to me) important thing is whether reports and/or investigations have been purposely biased. I do not know of any that have been.