We will be running our regular Sunday radio program at 3pm central (4pm Eastern). Our panel will be Simon & Jan Barrett, TJ Hart of WSKY 97.3, investigator William Cobra Staubs, and crime writer Denny Griffin. Once again, it has been an interesting week in the case.
The search for Haleigh Cummings is now well into its 8th month. Nerves are fraying everywhere you look. And I do mean everywhere!
Misty Croslin and Ronald Cummings apparently are now divorced. According to Fox News, the divorce was finalized a mere two days after it was filed. That stretches my imagination, but if Fox says so…..
On HLN’s Nancy Grace show (which alas has become the news version of the WWE) guest Mark Klass made some less than flattering comments about Tim Miller and his Equusearch organization.
Lisa, mother of Haleigh Cumming’s stepmom Misty (yes I know this gets complicated) is back in Putnam County, after being extradited from Tennessee.
Did Ronald Cummings threaten Misty Croslin with a loaded shotgun? Did he jam the gun in his own mouth? Did Ronald Jr. witness this? Did he or Misty admit this to Tim Miller?
What is Donna Brock’s real involvement? What about the ‘road rage’ story? Was that a set up? I for one think that there are some very interesting connections between the people involved. It certainly makes me wonder if a certain journalist might have set this up as a way to clear a corporate credit card debt for some plastic surgery?
What is the story between Cobra and Kim?
Was an Emmy winning journalist paid to cover the case by a private party? While there is nothing illegal about this, the word ‘ETHICS’ screams at you.
We will be talking about all of this, and much more on Sunday. Point your browser at www.blogtalkradio.com a few minutes before 3pm central on Sunday October/18, you will see the program on the front page, alternatively you can save this link. As always we will be taking listener’s calls.
See you all on Sunday.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSimon, thank you for your diligence in staying with this case. You & Jan have been a God send on Haleigh’s behalf. Treece
I thought Lisa is Misty’s mother, not Crystal’s stepmother.
She is Polly, Simon had it worded wrong, but I fixed it. Thanks for pointing it out to us.
Jan Barrett
No, she is Misty’s stepmother, but it is so easy to get confused any more.. This whole thing reminds me of the night I got onto the traffic circle here outside of town, it was the first time I had ever used the darn thing, 3:00 in the morning, my grandson was just a few hours old, and I drove around and around and around before I got off on the wrong road and ended up on an interstate heading south. Putnam County can do that to people.. Your doing good Simon, we’re just following behind you.. Just don’t make any sharp turns or stop to quick..
Simon,
I’m only on HaLeigh’s side here… I can’t help but wonder why you guys insist on using ‘riddles’ and ‘blind talk’ whenever someone falls out of favor.
Yes, the word ‘ETHICS’ does scream out… atleast it should at everyone involved!!
I don’t see why Cobra gets a pass, when he made those allegations about KP, Crystal and etc. Is it because he explained his side of his legal drama in a post? I heard those tapes just like everyone else, but it seems all is forgiving, now that KP is back on the scene, and that IS between those two.
But why on earth are people acting as if ‘Emmy’ is some horrible villian for accepting payments, didn’t Cobra accept what was offered to him? Didn’t TJ enjoy the perks from NG, while they lasted? They were all there to do their jobs, right?
I know I will get blasted for this and I don’t really care.
I just would like for all the nonsense to end!
None involved have been perfect in their reporting… mistakes have been made on all sides.
It’s time for folks to soothe their bruised and battered egos the best way they can. If you got to use an iced cold compress, so be it… get over it!!
Time to get back on track here.
P.S. I respect all who care about this little girl and all that are trying to bring her home!!!!!!
mlee said,
in October 16th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
No, she is Misty’s stepmother,
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Ah No, she is her biological Mother. Lisa Croslin is Misty’s flesh and blood Mom.
Hoping for an end.Hoping Haleigh comes home
safe.
All the circus’ have done nothing more than make everyone involved look worse than what they really may be. Misty galivanting the country with Donna, made Misty look like she didn’t give a rat’s a$$ about anything or anyone. Of course she’s gonna hit up on someone who is willing to spend money on her and help turn her life around, Lord knows it wasn’t going to happen any other way. She’s 17 yrs old FFS, Of course she jumped on that. The really bad thing is, she will probably never trust anyone again, not any time soon. It was poor judgement from TM to do that period. I really do feel they are barking up the wrong tree. 8 months worth of it.
PAW69, I have said this before, if Misty is innocent, she is definitely the 2nd biggest victim here. I think someone faking to be like a “mother” is the worst of betrayal. Who can she trust, her bio parents? her husband? LE? Who has ever really loved her with unconditional love? unselfishly? I don’t approve of TMs way of doing things but IF he was going to do this use a peer, not a “MOTHER”. That is just cruel to me. JMO Treece
Lisa Croslin is Misty’s mom. Crystal is Haleigh’s biological mom. Misty was Haleigh’s stepmom but no longer is thank god.
IF she is innocent, she will struggle worse than she already has. She won’t be able to trust anyone. She won’t be able to love anyone, 1 because she doesn’t know how, 2 because she will fear they will do the same thing everyone else in her life has done.
Well said Cent,
I am glad that Mark Klass, was mentioned in this article. It wud have been nice for to see it mentioned, that he not only slammed TM for the stunt he pulled, but he also reminded NG and the panel, including Mark NeJame, that Misty cud very well be telling the truth. He listed mnay ppl who have had a child stolen from their bed, right underneath, a watchful eye, and WITHOUT FORCED ENTRY…
It sickened me to see the update by Johnny Greenwoodpress on Oct 2 09 actaully say that anyone who knows anything about the hours leading up to Haleighs disappearance should come forward????????? LE makes it sound like its all up to Misty as there was “no evidence of forced entry” Hos stupid is that to say… I wonder if he knows how many abductions have happened under the exact same circumstances.. Instead of blaming everything on Misty, maybe tey need to look outside the box. the thing is that LE have convinced ppl of this as a ploy to offset their failed investigation. They use it as an excuse as to why they havent solved the crime…She is their scapegoat, and ppl are accespting this.. I think its time for LE to become accountable and open up this investigation before anymore time sets in… The are flogging a dead horse and Mistys story cud very well be the truth.. Instead they try and leave her holding the bag, to take pressure off themselves…
Oh come on, please this girl has been around the block! She is not letting anyone get to her!She could be telling the truth about Haleigh, but sometime’s little girls get jealouse of each other when it come’s to daddy? She had made a statement about taking care of other people’s kid’s!!!!must be hard to get up after partying all nite, just to hard!!And if Chad took her, you can bet they had a plan not to bring her back!! STAY SAFE SWEET HALEIGHG!!!!!
OOPS! Did I forget to put IMO on my last posts? I’m sorry, they were suppose to end with IMO.
Another error. Haleigh only has one mom. She does not have a stepmom. Croslin and Cummings are divorced.
Thanks, Fed up
This is something that also has been bothering me… How can LE and others expect for people to come forward, when there seems to be no protection for these ‘witnesses’. Everytime someone comes forward whether it’s useful info or not, it’s disclosed to the media or a video camera is shoved in their face. They don’t even consider concealing the ‘witness’.
The statements are handed out like lollipops.
There is a reason why the reward money has remained unclaimed. Could it be because that community knows what kind of retribution they’ll face.
I’m not saying that’s an excuse, cause I believe that sometimes you just need to come clean with what you know, no matter what!
I also believe that people are not thinking straight and that perhaps everyone investigating, and I mean EVERYONE, could have possibly put someone’s life in jeopardy.
These are just my thoughts, but I think Misty and NayNay may need some form of protection.
I was wondering if anyone else caught this: In one of the earlier interviews, either Teresa or Misty was recounting events of the evening before, I guess it was Feb 9th, and one of them said, “and Haleigh was doing great.”
I think that’s kind of an odd thing to say.
Simon said, “Was an Emmy winning journalist paid to cover the case by a private party? While there is nothing illegal about this, the word ‘ETHICS’ screams at you.”
Katfish said, ” screams bias to me but I guess it’s the same thing. LOL”
Poor Misty, you have to feel sorry for her but I’ll bet the police there don’t at all. They keep saying she be holding something back but the girl keeps telling them she don’t know no more and they better look elsewhere if they want to find Haleigh because all they been doing is looking at her and asking her all kinds of questions and she’s tired of hearing their questions because she already told them she don’t nothing more about it except what she told them. Why they acting like the only one holding back is Misty?
Misty just a little girl herself still and they should think about what they’re doing to her. They could tramatize her forever by acting like she knows more what she already told them probably a hundred times that she don’t know no more.
Then Donna bought her nice things but wounded up not telling her why she was buying her clothes and paying for her to go places that she never been to and paid to get her nails and hair done and poor Misty probably never had those things like other girls do so she believed Donna was nice to her because she cared about her.
Now Misty is probably hurt forever and can never be fixed because the stuff they bought her when all along they were just pretending to care about her when they really cared about Haleigh and wanted to get Misty to talk more because the police and her mom and Ronnie and Nancy show keep thinking she know more when she told so many times that she don’t. She even went on TV and said she don’t know more so why did Donna think she would find out more when the girl already said she did not know anything else.
Maybe Misty will read these blogs and know that there a lot of people who care about her because she is so young and needs a nice fmaily that can take her to the mall and spend money on her for stuff other young girls get.
Maybe everyone will stop picking on Misty and asking her all the questions if we keep talking about how wrong it is to keep asking her to tell stuff she said so many times that she don’t know nothing about.
How many more times she have to say she don’t know no more?
Polly,
Misty said that,I think it was the hypnosis interview and yes it was very odd.It was when she said she was riding her bike in the yard that evening.And said something to the effect,”she was doing great”.That is an odd statement,in my mind,also.
Anyone think Misty probably felt so betrayed by Donna but if she did tell her things she never told police or Ronnie or anyone else than she probably would have been feeling even worse betrayed because remember she said on TV that her family betrayed her too?
I agree with you all that it is questionable ethics how they don’t seem to be thinking twice about betraying that young girls confidances and I sometimes ponder and wonder what she confided in her brother and other of her family that they betrayed her about because she said they betrayed so do you wonder like I do what it is she feels they betrayed her about it? None of us know what she told them and they betrayed but that does not mean Donna or anyone should pretend they care and buy her stuff does it? I don’t think she wanted that. I don’t think she would have let Donna buy nice things for her if she knew beforehand that Donna would tell what she knows because she is like all of us and does not want people betraying what we tell them.
I wonder too if Misty could maybe be put in a nice foster family somewhere else in Florida away from Satsuma where she can be more incognito like and get back in school and get tutoring help and a foster family that will help her with homework and take her places?
Oh My God, she isn’t a child, she is a divorced woman. How about, she take care of herself, for once.
Deb, if I hear you right, you are saying it is sad that Misty has NEVER been able to be a child or a young person with any adults that she can trust. She will need someone to help her before she can have the knowledge or skills to take care of herself. I agree, she will need help and it is sad, she may never trust again.
I thought she said Haleigh was popping wheelies and doing great? Something like that?
the word ‘ETHICS’screams at you.
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Boy, have you got that right.
Kim Picazio
Art Harris
Steph Watts
Donna Brock
Tim Miller
Jeremiah Regan
Wayanne Kruger
I know I have forgotten some but they have all been a sideshow and circus.
Simon and Jan TY for all your doing for Haleigh. What about having Tim Miller on the show. It would be a blast dont you think? With Cobra and TJ too?? WOW
Please, I look forward to the Sunday program. Tell me we won’t be on tearing down people who are trying to help. Please, let’s don’t talk about KP. I just can’t go that, again. I really don’t care about Kim and Cobra making up.
Alot happened this week in the case to talk about. By the way Lisa Croslin got out of jail today. They said she didn’t add anything that she didn’t say before. Do you believe that?
BouncyBelle said,
in October 16th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
I thought she said Haleigh was popping wheelies and doing great? Something like that?
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She did
Bill, I don’t believe that she is, really, a divorced woman. If you think about it, you will probably agree with Deb, and I think I can say most, if not everyone else on this board.
As you may remember, adults had to approve the marriage, because she was, by law, still a child.
I am not an expert, on the subject at hand, but I do wish well, for Miss Croslin – Cummings (and we don’t know yet whether she will keep the name Cummings) who is, in my opinion, in need of guidance from a mature adult couple.
Yes treece what you say is how I feel life might have been for her for at least a while if it is true she did not go past sixth grade and if what Tim Miller said is true about her never doing normal things like going to the mall or having her nails and hair done. Too, she said something about living in cars and her life never being good and that it did not look like it would get better.
I don’t think she is mad at Donna now but Art Harris reports she did pound on the door of the room Donna was staying at and she cursed Donna after she found out what was going on but who wouldn’t?
Item #10 restore of Croslin maiden name
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cn….
Would be great if someone would open up their home to Misty if she is need of a place to stay. She said in interview that she did not really know anyone and now we know that she probably lost her friend Nay Nay and she does not have a husband or mother in law to stay with and her brother who she has restraining order on might still be at her moms house so she can not go there.
Treece have you thought about letting her stay with you? Could she go back to school in your district? She can not be denied education because she is still under 18 and the school district she lived at sounds at fault too.
Donna or Tim Miller or people from here could pitch in to make sure she has enough to pay rent and buy food and a little for entertainment and clothes if she go back to school because that is what she needs for her future. She is not even eighteen years old and the school district she went to let her stay out of school since sixth grade Art Harris said.
Thinking of her sleeping in cars is sad.
Deb, based on Misty’s cursive handwriting and her spelling, I’d be shocked if she even completed sixth grade. Shame on her parents.
That’s normally taught in second and third grades.
Some members of Websleuths.com are responsible for calling DCF about the gun incident.
After a member of there had called, it got into the news.
Just wanted to get that out there.
Their agenda is to see Ronald Cummings hand for whatever personal dislikes they have of him.
I had thought it was in the hypnosis interview before the hypnosis where she said she was doing great,while in the yard,but just listened to it and that’s not the one.So,now I don’t know which interview it was she said “she was doing great then.”
WinterRose, I thought it was that one too. It must be the voice analysis one then.
I know,it was in the gainsville article,they had both the before interview and the actual hypnosis,darn if I can find it there.You’re right,she said poppin wheelies.But,it did seem around that time she said in an interview “she was doing great then.”I just remember thinking,”What?” It’s like all the interviews,articles and everything is all running together.Too much info.LOL
Yeah, it is running together on me too. I may go to a links section and start all over. Not even the media is dependable though so maybe I will recognize the ones with wrong facts.
There are 609 links at IS and I haven’t even checked at WS yet.
I saw a 20 minute hypnosis tape on youtube that may have the whole thing on it. I just saw it a couple of days ago but didn’t save it.
Send Misty to me, I’ll look after her!!
I know alot of people have said they going back from the beginning,but I’m not sure if we could come up with anything new.
Sometimes I question if someone took advantage of Misty’s learning disabilities and knew it would be easy to set her up.Knew about circumstances that would make her look quilty.
Then I think I’m just overthinking,but still I can’t get away from there’s things overlooked.Look at that balloonboy,that child was in the garage attic,right there.HaLeigh could be in someone’s house right there in Putnam.I just don’t know.
I meant they’re going back to the beginning…tired.
Night guys,sweet dreams.
Not you Harry,you’re a perv.You need to have nasty dreams of porn police picking you up.And dreams of Simon coming in waving your ip address to hand to LE.
Morning, WinterRose! I have not heard that Misty has/had “learning disabilities.” Is this verified somewhere?
I know she dropped out of school in 6h or 7th grade. I read an interview with her Aunt who said that Misty’s mother didn’t see that she went to school so that when she did go, she’d already missed so much that she was behind and couldn’t catch up.
But I have never read that Misty had/has learning disabilities. I am very concerned about labelling her with that. Can we go with “under-educated?” Or “uneducated?” Or something like that instead?
If Misty was living in cars, she was probably with one of the guys she was sleeping/living with in exchange for drugs. She was “adult” enough tp shack up wth someone and take care of two his three illegitimate kids and then marry him. When then reporter asked her about the divorce, she said “that’s what he wants”, shrugged her shoulders and said “Whatever.” Well, if you play at being a grown-up, don’t suddenly start to whine about what a poor, pitiful child you are and how everyone’s picking on you.
NoJoke, when I read about Misty living in cars I thought she was talking about some of the time when she was a child – still with her parents.
Does anyone know if that’s true?
She may have lived in cars later, too. Just wondering about her childhood (if it can even be called that).
To VA 9:07pm, I said Misty was her stepmom but no longer is thank god. Anyway she was never considered a stepmom to Haleigh because has been gone this whole time she was married to Ron.
If Misty wants to become wise and brighter for herself she should think about her education,it has to be all within herself. I think it’s time to leave Misty alone and get back on the focus on Haleigh, she is the little girl that we need to know where her soul is. Misty says she’s had a rough life,she can fix her life now if she wants but Haleigh’s life is what matters now. Haleigh needs to come home for Halloween,Thanksgiving,Christmas etc. this will be really sad if there are still no answers by then. This goes to all the missing children in this world!
Everybody that has been involved in this case gets bashed. I am getting d@mn sick of it. Two people in this entire case have got their boots on the ground to find answers, Tim Miller and Cobra. I applaud them both! Cobra might not be bashed at this site, but he is elsewhere. Stop it people. Now, we have two reporters being investigated on this site? Boy, the backlash of this is going to fall straight into T.J.’s lap. Boy, this will not be pretty.
I am going to make a suggestion here for those of you that are talking about “poor Misti”.
Something to keep in mind before you bring this person into your home is to do a complete background check on her.
Misti has had people that gave her money, Misti has had every opportunity to go back to school to make a life for herself somewhere other than Florida and Michigan, not to mention Colorado.
Misti never lived in cars, Misti always had clothes on her back and food in her belly and a roof over her head. She was given money to do what she wanted with.
What you see is the end result of being allowed to do what she wanted and never to have to accept the consequences of her own bad behavior.
In my honest opinion, this divorce is not real it was all a sham and isn’t if funny that now noone seems to know where Misti or Ron either one are actually staying?
Liberty, I’m surprised that you take that position given your screen name. There is a difference between “bashing” and questioning/discussing the actions/judgement of the people you are talking about. Personally I think the latter is GOOD! No one is perfect. And to pretend they are is self-defeating. Doesn’t do anyone any good.
I have admired Tim Miller since I first heard of him but his recent activities have forced me to question his judgement. I think that SHOULD be okay. Not to bash him. But to discuss the pros and cons of what was done and why.
It seems like “questioning” and disagreeing equal “Bashing” to some. Not so and it only stifles open-mindedness and a real pursuit of the truth.
As far as Art Harris is concerned – if that’s who the article above is saying was “hired,” – I don’t care. 99.9% of the reporters on this story are paid by someone. The only thing that matters is whether the reports are therefore biased. And I’ve never heard that any were biased.
Steph Watts is another story. He’s trying to make a new career for himself. I don’t wonder too much about any money he might have made off the road rage incident because I don’t know that he had an exclusive inside track on it. However he DID have exclusive footage of Misty’s LDT and hypnosis session. So I wonder if he made money on that. Again, the important question to me is whether the reports or video are biased. Not whether someone is being paid or not. Even Cobra was paid in the beginning by a couple of people and then got donations from the public. That should not be the issue. Again, as with all the others, the only (to me) important thing is whether reports and/or investigations have been purposely biased. I do not know of any that have been.
Native Alien: I’m trying not to be a “Poor Misty” person or a “Bash Misty” person and I really do appreciate learning more about her.
I did not know a lot of what you just posted. Did Misty receive offers recently to continue her education (move away)? I’m asking because I think a lot of what/who she is was cemented many years ago by neglect (at best). A mother who didn’t make her go to school (as an example).
So yes Misty may have made her own choices then and now but she grew up in a “home” (to use the word very loosely) and a community that apparently didn’t (and still doesn’t) emphasize better paths to follow. It’s the old nature or nurture debate. In a way, now, it just doesn’t matter. And it won’t until (if) she’s on trial for doing something to Haleigh – then the defense will have a field day with all that.
I, too, wonder about the “divorce.” Another stunt?
Morning All!
WinterRose: In my thinking I’m like doing great then as opposed to doing poorly later? It’s common knowledge that Haleigh has Turner’s Syndrome and could possibly have heart problems. Was she on any medication? If so, was Misty responsible enough to administer it properly? In all the interviews I’ve seen, Misty seems to be very straightforward to the point of when the kids went to bed, then she gets very vague.
Misty is now an emancipated minor and has the same rights and responsibilities as an adult. She could take the initiative and get her backside down to an Adult Learning Center and start working on her GED. There have been people in similar or worse situations who have gone on to win full scholarships. Unless, of course, she likes everyone feeling sorry for her because she’s so ignorant and uneducated.
WinterRose, please tell me where the idea that Misty has learning disabilities came from? I have not heard that. I am very very concerned about assigning that label to someone (anyone).
cent -
I was in total agreement with you on the witness/statement comments all the way up until you suggested that NayNay & Misty might be the ones needing protection.
eek no…NayNay want to “slap the f**k out of witness”…remember? (read her letter) NayNay want boyfriend to talk to witness. NayNay only ACT helpless when arrested. NayNay baaaaaaaad. As for Misty, she had her chance to talk & didn’t.
BUT……my faith in LE has been renewed today.
Chad Elliott (aka alleged house party host) was arrested.
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=757039&IMG=59629
yesssssssss
m2c, Just because someone has learning disabilities doesn’t mean a person can’t learn. They’ve got people at the GED centers to help tutor someone who may have problems. It all comes down to wanting to better yourself and your quality of life.
Besides, if a person does have learning disabilities it doesn’t mean he/she is stupid.
The stupidity is when the person continues with the same destructive patterns and does not seek help, knowing full well that help is available, whether it’s drug dependency, an abusive relationship, or lack of education.
Ronald’s only hope of finding Haleigh alive is if EVERYBODY is wrong & Misty is telling the truth.
Misty loves Ronald.
Maybe she’s not JUST scared of Ron & the law.
Maybe she just can’t bring herself to break the heart of the man she really does love.
Maybe she thinks it’s better for him to hold onto hope.
Maybe that’s where she’s finding her strength to keep lying.
Just something to think about.
Misty might love Ronald,but I don’t think Ronald loves Misty.
Polly – About your 9:35 post. That’s not what I’m talking about at all!
I am asking WinterRose her SOURCE – the reason she is saying that Misty has learning disabilities. IMO it’s not a good thing to attach that kind of label to someone without real factual back-up. Maybe it is a fact. If so I’d like to know the source. Otherwise it’s one of those rumors that gets repeated so many times that people take it as fact. And I don’t like that either.
Besides, if she loves Ronald so much, why did she hook up w/ WBG?
It sounds to me as if Native Alien is related to Jeremy Miller!!
Polly said, in October 17th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Besides, if she loves Ronald so much, why did she hook up w/ WBG?
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Playing games. She wanted to marry Ronald, pretended to be pregnant, was doing drugs.
Seems to me that they’re all pretty much self-absorbed and into the drama and game-playing.
True dat.
Tim H. reported months ago that Cobra paid Art Harris to report on this case, listen to the recording, rarely does Tim H. report without back-up.
Those that think he’s a nut case, you have to admit, the man always has either written or audio proof, he’s no fool.
Not to take away from any of the excellent coverage on this case and the fact that all parties involved are keeping Haleigh’s profile out there, but do we need all this behind-the scene drama? Seriously….
On Nancy Grace last night, they said Misty was staying with some unidentified friends. Iwonder if that was Donna Brock They said Donna accompanied Misty when she went to the police station and that was after their trouble. Misty may understand that Donna did it to find Haleigh. Misty’s lawyer has told Ronald’s lawyer that Ronald wasn’t to even talk to Misty except thru her lawyer. We will see how that goes.
I don’t understand why we should care if a person is getting paid to report on this case. I am sure Art gets paid to report on every case because that’s his job.
I think to Simon and some of the other people in this business, this is interestin, but people, who are following this story, aren’t interested. We just want to know about the case. We want to find Haleigh.
M2C I get what you are saying,and agree to a point. Where is it getting us? Where is the reporting on the facts in this case? I don’t give a d@mn about what reporter did what. Half of what they report are incorrect anyway.
I don’t care what kind of childhood we had, we have to choose to do right. We have to try to overcome, and we can, if we want to.
Karon, I agree we have to choose to do right. However, some don’t even know how to make good choices or how to help themselves. With the childhood Misty has had, the poor choices made for her and the one’s she has made for herself, it doesn’t look good for her future. Sometimes, people need an “adult” to give them guidance, support, and options that provide an opportunity of them to even make a good choice. JMO Treece
Treece:
I agree with what you are saying, and I hope in a strange way, this awful tragedy will offer her some opportunities. There may be many people who will give her a helping hand and advice. She is going to have to decide to take the help. We all have to decide, and she could turn her life around.
Re: Misty having a learning disability
Art Harris stated on Nancy Grace 2 nights ago that Misty’s grandmother confirmed to him that she has learning disabilities.
If Misty is innocent concerning Haleigh, she has sure had a bad deal with this. IF, and I repeat IF, she is telling the truth & she doesn’t know what happened, then she is a victim to this crime, too. I had a rough childhood, I babysit for a number of kids. It would have taken a miracle for me to get over it if something tragic like this would have happened while I had them. There is no way that this doesn’t make her feel like a total loser. What if she really loved Haleigh, Jr & Ron. She has lost them all. If it is true she cared about “Mother Donna” and trusted her & believed Donna cared this is another betrayal.
Who can Misty trust??
I agree, I hope some how from this tragedy she makes some good choices to improve her life.
m2c, I won’t do the research for you but I can tell you that Misti’s life has not been as it is portrayed in the press. Look up her mom and her dad, check with her grandmother.
Does she have learning disabilities? I don’t think so. I do believe that she is somewhat uneducated as far as book learning goes.
Like I said there is much about Misti and her life that isn’t being told on the blogs and websites. So for people to make any kind of judgment without having ALL the facts just leads to wrong opinions.
AMEN SIMON!!!! “Ethics” is the key word! The Cummings/Croslin world is fraught with enough inconsistencies. If we can’t be ethical then what do we have?
Native Alien:
You aren’t going into enough details for me to understand, if her life was better or worse than it has been betrayed. I have kept up with this story very carefully, but I know we don’t have the full story. I wouldn’t even know where to start looking for those kinds of details. If you are a local person, you are one up on us with the facts.
I don’t want anyone to be guilty, because that is the way I am. Unless we get Haleigh back alive, there won’t be a winner in this situation.
m2c, if you look up Misty’s background, you will see that Native Alien is wrong. Her parents were and are druggies.
Native has gone from forum to forum saying that Misty was not a VICTIM at 13 years old of horrible multiple rapes where she was held against her will. A 13 year old.
It’s a good thing the judge knows differently and put JM away for 8+ years.
I am sorry about Misty’s childhood or lack of it but you can never convince me that a child with only a 5th grade education is JUST because the child made bad choices. ADULTS, ADULTS, ADULTS, failed her. IF she was raped & tortured that is horrific and another example of why she might be afraid to trust today.
Treece, wow, that is terrible. Will you post links to the stories about Misty only finishing 5th grade and being tortured and raped. Those would be interesting to read. Her lawyers could use the details, maybe? If need be?
BethAnn, I said IF, referring the post above mine. I am sure IF her lawyers want to use these details they don’t need my help, she could give them all the facts herself.
What were the people taking care of Misty thinking? What did they think her future would be like without having an elementary school education?
What dreams for the future could Misty have had? Having babies?
Simon and Jan,
Looking forward to your Radio Show tomorrow at 3 p.m. CDT!
Beth Ann,
Misty has a 6th grade education according to media sources.
Treece, you’re the first person saying Misty didn’t get past 5th grade and was tortured so I hope you will post the links to that because it is important her past and upbringing be looked at so people won’t unfairly criticize her.
First I heard Misty was tortured. Who tortured her? That in itself is a news story.
Treece, my mistake, you were responding to BouncyBelle I see.
BouncyBelle, you don’t mention torture but the things you wrote happenned to her are and the perpetrator should have been arrested.
See thats the cycle of abuse. The people who abused her were probably abused.
We need to have empathy for everyone involved because everyone involved has been abused in my opinion.
BethAnn, there is nothing new here. As I already said, my comment was responding to BounceBelle’s 12:43 comment. I understood the previous reports to say she quit school in 6th grade, which to me said she only finished 5th grade, so I said a 5th grade education. NOTHING new here. Regardless, if it was 5th or 6th it is very lacking and IMO MORE than just Misty’s fault. That was the point of my post.
Beth Ann said,
in October 17th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
First I heard Misty was tortured. Who tortured her? That in itself is a news story.
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Beth Ann,
There was a 16 year old boy, J.M. (I will not use his name even though he was arrested AND convicted) because it has nothing to do with HaLeigh’s case). He was CONVICTED for:
Lewd, Lascivious battery sex w/victim 12-15 years old; F.S. 800.04(4)(a)
Misty was 13 years old when this happened. This 16 year old boy is STILL incarcerated and is required to Register as a Sexual Offender for what he did to Misty. It was a BRUTAL CRIME against her.
That said, it is NOT a new’s story. It happened when Misty was a minor and shouldn’t be discussed, IMO. It has nothing to do with HaLeigh, and Misty’s privacy should be respected, IMO.
J, thank you, and I am sorry I commented on it.
Ol’ Jerome Wilson might have thought himself cute playing with Cobra & Kim…pretending to cooperate but he wasn’t really cooperating was he? NayNay & Amber were never going to get information for anybody and probably had a good laugh at being asked to “help”.
Now look what’s happening. PCSO is bringin it.
It’s kind of ironic. In this particular scenario it’s going to be the ones who DIDN’T snitch (help with Haleigh) who have the hardest time in jail….because of everybody else they took down with them.
skywise, remember I am blonde. Could you explain that last paragraph so I can understand it? Thanks, Treece
J, thanks for the clarification. Stats are out there that show a very high percentage of females raped at some point in their lives, worse in wore-torn countries. If not for emancipation Misty would still legally be ‘a minor’ and every discussion about her a discussion about a minor. Either Misty told you or you read about it in a forum or on a blog.
There have been a lot of comments(including mine) regarding people involved in reporting on this case and payments received. When I read payments and ethics the first thing that popped in my mind was bias.
I guess bias only applies if someone is slanting a report in a certain direction based on receiving that payment….has that happened here…I don’t know. The professionals involved in reporting on this case should make money as long as that money isn’t received from someone directly involved in the case in exchange for slanting the story.
Frankly I’m growing weary of all the drama but I recognize this is the Barret’s blog, to report what is of interest to them….if I don’t like it I can skip over it. Who else is supplying reports from folks who are “on the ground” covering this case? I appreciate them keeping Haleigh’s story out there.
I went back and read all of the entries on my blog (my thoughts based on media reports) regarding Haleigh’s disappearance and we don’t know anymore about this case than we did in February….no wonder everyone is so frustrated….drama has seemed to be the driving force in keeping this story out there from the start.
I noticed a comment I made about Cobra back in March, here that is, “Another interesting (and dramatic)twist to this case is a private investigator who has involved himself in this case. He goes by the name “Cobra”. He couldn’t talk about any specific leads he’s working. But he says one thing is for sure, we can expect a break in Haleigh’s case very soon. Cobra says he’s investigating the case free of charge. And he says he will stay in Putnam County until he’s confident the case is closed. No offense Cobra but at this point at katfishponders you are being given the same weight given a certain bounty hunter who rode in to save the day in Caylee’s case.”
I guess my opinion remains the pretty much the same except I appreciate the fact Cobra has stayed on the case at peril to his ability to earn a living. He obviously cares about finding Haleigh and the truth.I feel the same about Tim Miller. While I think they would have furthered their cause more by keeping the results of their investigations out of the media, I do realize they may have had their reasons for rattling a few cages out there.
Even though I’m beginning to think this case has been in the LE cold file for some time now, and wonder if this precious child is even alive, I’m still praying for a safe return of Haleigh. Hopefully all this drama will serve some good by keeping the pressure on LE.
Sorry for rambling.
treece,
No problem at all.
Knowing what happened to Misty when she was a child, and hearing people try to turn it around on HER and make it sound like this was HER fault just makes my hair stand on end. There is just no justification to take a child that was a victim and turn that into tabloid fodder. There are some following this case that want to do just that. The fact of the matter is, that Misty WAS a victim of a horrible crime. The person was arrested & convicted. J.M. was sentenced to over 8 years in prison (and that was after taking a plea bargain). Keep in mind that this was a 16 year old boy sentenced as an adult. The crime was horrific. IMO, some things need to be ‘off limits’. There are a reason that minor’s records are not available to the general public.
I do understand people being curious to all things surrounding Misty, or any other person that is involved in HaLeigh’s life. I hope I didn’t sound cross. That wasn’t my intention. I hate seeing a victim blamed, and no matter what Misty may be in HaLeigh’s case, she WAS a victim in this event.
Beth Ann, you are welcome!
Misty did not tell me. I happen to be talented at researching.
J, knowing this now does make me even sadder for Misty. No child should have gone through that. I know I keep saying this, but, IF Misty is innocent on Haleigh’s case she has been such a victim here, too. It makes me that much more disappointed in what Tim Miller has put her through. Treece
Thank you, skywise, for the update on Chad at 9:25 am. Please excuse my brain freeze but which Chad is this? I think I’ve read about two guys named Chad but often with no last name mentioned.
m2c -
“NayNay, Misty & White Boy Greg were all over at Chad’s house”
Chad Elliot is THAT Chad.
treece -
Sorry, I’m just ranting because I don’t belong to any regular forum.
Let me see if I can explain…
A “snitch” is somebody who gets busted on their own stupidity & instead of taking the fall alone, they give somebody else up.
Most know that when the cops come looking for a kid, all bets are off. Snitching doesn’t count. The cops don’t care about what drugs you’re doing…they just want to find the kid.
If you don’t help them then they don’t go away. They start taking EVERYBODY to jail.
Nobody in prison gets beat up because they helped police catch somebody who hurt a kid. Doesn’t happen.
When Cobra started putting pressure on the drug scene, he had the EXACTLY the right idea, I just don’t think he realized how on top of them he was. I think he leads with his heart & his nose more than his head sometimes (which is why he gets into trouble) and I DO think Kim was undermining him.
Anyway…apparently he was ALL OVER Jerome at one point & Jerome was gunning for him (Cobra) but as soon as Jerome realized that NayNay wasn’t who Cobra was after, he lightened up. (Of course he would)
So, he (Jerome) lead everybody around by their noses but that could only last for so long.
Basically, they screwed with the cops… stirred up a hornets nest & now PCSO is going out of their way to drag everybody & their kitchen sinks in. None of those people are going to appreciate being brought in over a missing kid that they had nothing to do with.
Soooooo…in this case, it’s going to be the ones who DIDN’T snitch (what they know about Haleigh) who have the hardest time with the other inmates.
Follow?
Yes, I think I follow, Skywise, and thank you.
But I wonder how anyone in or out of jail will ever know who did not snitch (tell what they know about Haleigh) because so far no one knows who knows. Surely if they did, they’d steer LE in that person’s direction.
Sky…. I can see your point of view in regards to NayNay… but if I were her and IF someone was lying on me, I would want to slap their ass too… (IF)
And as far as the learning disabilities, everyone here are right at using caution when assigning that label.
My son has LD’s, and it’s not as simple to diagnose as most people would think. There is a slew of ranges when it comes to LD’s. I am by no means an expert on the struggle involved, but, my son is a 17 yr veteran of this sometimes very disheartening saga.
I won’t go on with the LD issue, only just remember that when dealing with it, sometimes it brings out other behaviour issues.
If left unchecked… can lead to a terrible childhood/adulthood.
By the way… children who have Congenital Disorders often will have LD’s… Parts of my son’s heart had to be replaced with plastic, when he was less than a week old. And he’s had atleast 3 more surgeries since, and he’s not done… yet!!
Just something to think about when thinking of HaLeigh’s medical issues.
Skywise, thank you for the update on Chad Elliot and your insights in this case.
So is Chad E. the guy that is crippled and reportedly has the scripts for narcotics?
This is off topic, but if so, a**holes like this are the reason people who are truely suffering have to pull teeth to get meds from their dr.s.
Ronald controlled it all. Decided he would get married, decided he would divorce, keeps all of the marital assets (a Nissan and a Dodge).
Skywise, thank you for getting it on my level. I got it now. What a mess! So you must be from that area. Do you think Haleigh will ever be found or this case ever solved?
Hi, cent! I am so sorry to hear all the difficulties your son has had. How very hard that must be for you, too.
I agree about the LD issue. I’d think that if people knew Misty had that then she should have been getting extra help, special class, some kind of assistance at home or at school as soon as that became known. But sometimes schools and parents just can’t be bothered. At least her aunt tried (according to her aunt) to help her with he school work when Misty stayed with her for a while. I can’t help but put a whole lot of blame on her mother for where Misty is now. Lisa (the mom) may have signed the formal papers “emancipating” Misty pretty recently (so she could marry Ron). But as far as I’m concerned, it seems like Lisa stopped being a mom (if she ever was one) and let her daughter fend for herself a long time ago.
JJ @ 3:54 That seems to be true. I would have liked to see a really really sharp lawyer represent Misty who could throw the book at Ron in the divorce: “You seduced an underage girl, used her as a live-in baby sitter for your two illegitimate children, gave her drugs, then get her emancipated so you can marry her, alienate her from her family, and in a matter of months, you ditch her. That’ll be XX hundreds of dollars a month alimony forever!” That would have shaken Ron to the core, wouldn’t it?
Was Donna Brock suppose to have been working with Tim Miller? Is this the same woman that Misty was with when the road rage incident happened?
I am still having a hard time trying to figure out how a 17 year old can stand down an entire police department.
One thing to look at did they have the marriage disolved or was it a true bill of divorcement?
kbmeade: I believe so. It is the Donna Brock from TES and I believe Tim said that she befriended Misty hoping to learn something.
As far as how Misty has dealt with PCSO, I don’t know either unless she’s got so little disregard for adults and authority (very likely) and/or no fear or no guilt or no knowledge. I sure don’t know.
M2c, you just said it all. Who does Misty have now?? Where can she be staying?? Who can she trust??
Treece, you didn’t do anything wrong. Like I said, NA has gone forum to forum to try to convince people that the 13 year old Misty was not a victim in that case. She was, very much so.
Like J said, even after a plea bargain, he was still sentenced to 8+ years.
To whomever asked about why the Misty wasn’t diagnosed with a LD early on, her parents moved about 13 times according to research on them. I don’t think she was in any school system long enough to receive that kind of help, sadly.
m2c – You’re right, nobody knows YET…but they will. We all will. Don’t you think?
cent – IF is a non-issue for me but I understand you keeping an open mind.
Katfish – yesssss…and YOU ARE SO RIGHT about the Rx.
Treece – not from the area. Transplant from Texas and YES I do think this will be solved. It’s just hard to watch from the sidelines.
It’s never easy watching somebody else try to solve a puzzle…you want to take it away from them & have a turn at it yourself. Can’t do that tho, can we?
m2c,
If you look at the statute in FL for alimony, I don’t think Misty even qualifies for any alimony:
(In part)
Chapter 61
DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE; SUPPORT; TIME-SHARING
61.08 Alimony.–
(2) In determining a proper award of alimony or maintenance, the court shall consider all relevant economic factors, including but not limited to:
(a) The standard of living established during the marriage.
(b) The duration of the marriage.
(c) The age and the physical and emotional condition of each party.
(d) The financial resources of each party, the nonmarital and the marital assets and liabilities distributed to each.
(e) When applicable, the time necessary for either party to acquire sufficient education or training to enable such party to find appropriate employment.
(f) The contribution of each party to the marriage, including, but not limited to, services rendered in homemaking, child care, education, and career building of the other party.
(g) All sources of income available to either party.
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This was a very short marriage, exactly 7 months that did not exactly have a high standard of living. They didn’t live on their own at all the entire time during the marriage.
c. They are both young and there has been tremendous emotional strain (obviously) on both of them over the course of the marriage.
d. They have no money, nor assets.
e. Misty obviously has no training nor education. Not sure what level of education has acquired. I think it is safe to say that both of them could use further education. Misty especially.
f. Has either of them really contributed much to this marriage, really?
g. Neither of them has a source of income.
There is no money in which for Ron to pay alimony. In any event, the point is moot and the divorce is final.
kbmeade. This was a divorce.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/16/petition.for.disollution.of.marriage.pdf
You can see the Joint Petition for Divorce at the link above.
m2c… You’re right, I think the buck was passed in Misty’s case. Often times people don’t want to deal with these kinds of issues. It takes alot to fight the school system in order to get what your child, not only needs, but what they deserve. I’ve had my share of battles.
Although, her parents are grossly at fault, I can’t help but wonder if Misty EVER TRULY wanted anything different for herself. I know the saying that kids live what they are taught. But it comes a time, when even as a teen you start to question sh*t. You see others your age doing the right thing, having a better life, enjoying themselves. Even if she wasn’t exposed to the “good life” directly, she’s seen it in the movies, music videos, and so on. (Am I making sense?)
I guess what I’m trying to get across is that although you didn’t have the examples first hand, doesn’t mean you couldn’t or shouldn’t want better for yourself.
And I don’t care what anyone says…. I am sadden for her…. past!!!
Now it’s time for her to grow up.
I’ve seen planes fly in the sky and in the movies. But without an instruction book and an instructor and a little opportunity I wouldn’t have a clue how to operate one. I believe it is next to impossible for an uneducated, 17 year old from any extremely dysfunctional home, who has been extremely abused and neglected to make good choices without someone showing her some options and giving her an opportunity. JMO
cent, I agree. What I was trying to say was that many people have some LD of some kind. I still can’t tell right from left too good and I’m 44 yrs. old, however to use that as an excuse not to try is wrong. I agree that Misty may have had a rough childhood, but now she’s a grown-up and needs to start trying to better herself. The first thing she can do is get herself to an adult learning center.
I think Misty may have had one fairly common, pretty normal young girl ambition – “to marry and live happily ever after” (Thank you very much – not – Mr. Disney, you A-hat! LOL!)
But that didn’t turn out for her either.
Cent, it’s possible that Misty wanted something different for herself but didn’t know how to go about it, didn’t think she was worthy or capable, or was very unsure what that “something better” was. Gosh knows in her circle and her family’s circle I don’t see any role models for finishing HS and going on to any kind of training or school or career (other than a criminal career, of course). Maybe she was really hoping and trying with the “be a mom/wife” thing especially AFTER he married her. But then she got dumped. So, like many, many other women who had better starts in life than she, it’s back to looking at all the options and seeing what she can do for herself. I hope it’s good whatever it is (IF she’s not responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance, of course)
m2c said,
“to marry and live happily ever after” (Thank you very much – not – Mr. Disney, you A-hat! LOL!)
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ROFLMAO.. ’bout lost my coffee on that one.
You are laughing & it is funny but I am sure it was true, too. I am sure Misty, marrying an older guy, was hoping for some stability and secure future.
skywise and treece! It is kind of funny and I meant it that way. But also I know you both know that it’s true to this day for LOTS of young girls and young women! And nowadays it’s perpetuated by way far more than the classic Disney flicks.
M2c, you are right again. It is so sad but I don’t know anything we can do about it. I guess we can just take any opportunity we are given to help someone out of those situations. I wish Misty was my neighbor. I would love to help her and educate her and show her there are other ways to live.
Good point about the mom/wife thing… Somtimes that is viewed as a way out for some women.
I just firmly believe that at some point in your early “young adulthood”, you’ve got an instinct as to what is right and what is wrong.
The foundation may have been laid by someone else, but you choose your own path.
There is no doubt Misty has suffered, but when she says that she would never harm a child, cause she was abused… that right there is very telling, it shows that she IS capable of thinking/making positive decisions.
I wasn’t laughing at Misty, just the Disney reference. So true.
BY THE WAY…. TODAY IS THE MOST THAT I HAVE POSTED IN A SINGLE DAY, SINCE I’VE BEEN HERE… I AM LOVING IT, CAUSE ALL ARE BEING SO FREAKIN RESPECTFUL, OPEN MINDED, SIDESHOWS TO THE SIDE, AND WE ARE ALL LEARNING FROM ONE ANOTHER.
THANK YOU ALL, CENT
hello m2c,
i don’t know these people personally at all.
i was not really try to say ron was a car thief.
i was more trying to make a point about the dr.s visits. that we don’t know all the facts and maybe she is not as callous a mother based on that fact alone. earlier when haleigh went missing many women seemed ready to judge her by a different standard than ronald. true, it is a ding ding ding. for, me it was a ding ding ding for both parents. someone should have made sure haleigh got to the doctor. JMO
just to make myself clear and not further the misunderstanding, i believe m.g. said there was a driving issue involved. so she bought crystal a car to help out the situation. because crystal did not have a driver’s license (and maybe she said crystal was still underage – to own a car) they could not put the title in crystal’s name. so marie bought the car and they put it in ron’s name, with the understanding it was going to be for crystal’s use. yes of course ron may have been contributing to the cost of the upkeep of the car. absolutely, i agree. i believe marie’s point was ron and crystal were still together for at least some of the missed appointments. if true, i believe as he had a car and driver’s license, maybe he could have driven them to the doctor’s so crystal could take haleigh there. maybe some are judging one parent for what both may have done. i wish this particular issue was not a consideration without hearing both sides.
to me it was a legal argument maybe with out all the facts. (when i said exaggerated issue – poor choice of words) i personally am not going to say crystal should have lost the children, based on ronald’s (or maybe it was his lawyer’s) argument. this is just one fact. i remembered marie saying there was more to the missed appointments, than was said in court.
there was no legal issue about ron keeping the car, that i know of. i was trying to add, not further confuse the arguments about what happened to haleigh. marie’s point about ron keeping the car, the way i heard it, was crystal again was without a car. again, ron had a car.
to me it was not that important in judging crystal’s callousness, such as would she deliberately harm haleigh, i don’t see it that way. and i really hope neither parent is involved. if crystal is involved, i pray it is because she loves haleigh and is trying to protect her. not my head, my gut says it just doesn’t feel like that is what happened. but i wish that is what happened or is happening. :S
I’m sorry but if you look into the rape and torture scenario you will find that the facts just don’t back up the stories that are being told.
For one thing Misti and her mother were living in a mobile home at the time, in a mobile home park, in Flagler Beach. The trailer next door was less than 8 feet away bedroom window to bedroom window. Do a Zabasearch for Lisa Croslin and check out the address that comes back to Flagler Beach via Google Maps.
Secondly, people that know/knew both Misti and Jeremy at the time, are more than willing to talk about the incident and what their impressions of Misti and Jeremy were at the time.
Third and just for the record, I am not related to Jeremy Miller in any way, shape, or form. But I do believe in calling a spade a spade.
Fourth, Lisa Croslin collected money from a victim’s advocacy group for Misti to have counciling after the “rape” and Misti was suppose to attend rehab for her drug addiction problems. Neither was done as Misti decided that she wanted to move back to Michigan and live with her brother.
Lastly, funny how Misti points the finger at someone else, ( I have noticed that she likes to point her finger at males and say he touched or abused me without any evidence), any time that someone is about to hold her accountable for her actions.
Native Alien, that’s the problem with sex abuse, it often happens without witnesses and is hard to prove. When some women falsely accuse men it makes it particularly difficult for the women to whom it really did happen.
I know you feel strongly about this but that was a case long ago that was adjudicated and decided.
Presumably the accused had a lawyer and I understand he did take a plea deal (so I guess it did not go to court). Maybe it should have gone to court and then all that you’re mentioning could have been brought out. But if you feel that this was a travesty of justice then maybe some of those “witnesses” or people can step forward now and try to get the guy a new trial (or whatever is appropriate at this stage). Otherwise I just don’t know what can be done about or what the purpose is in continuing to talk about it except throw more mud and suspicion on someone who is already covered in it.
Ms Peridot, I wasn’t saying that YOU said Ron was a car thief. I said that! LOL! I was trying to point out that there is SO MUCH MORE behind a statement like “Ron took the car.” And your last post shows that! But as far as I knew before reading your last post, what could have been the story around that statement could have favored Ron or Crystal or been avoided somehow etc.
Now I understand it all better. But I still have to ask why Crystal’s mother handed her underage daughter over to an older guy PLUS a car! I mean is a “dowry” still expected in Putnam County?
(LOL!) No smarts, no standards on either side in my opinion. That’s what causes messes like this (Crystal’s mess and the current messes).
And these are messes that COULD have been avoided in my opinion if people had some kind of moral standards and abided by the law. That goes for everyone around Crystal, Misty and Ron.
Native Alien, NO one in their right mind would make a plea bargain for a heinous crime when they are a minor and the charge is going to declare them an adult and send them to prison unless they were totally guilty. A lawyer would be totally negligent to allow such. There is enough injustice and drama going on with this I think it would be best to leave this subject alone. JMO treece
Vaquera, you are so right.. and it seems they just may not be gone.. Whatever cobra has chosen to do, which involves Kim or any of the rest.. It’s his path, he’s chosen it…..
And he will walk it without my support.. that one has ended!!!!! Art has chosen his path and he walks without my support also.. Tim Miller, I never in my wildest dreams would ever have thought he was so vendictive, he harms himself without help from others. and it will be at his own doing.. The rest, I wouldn’t give the time of day!!!!!! Absolutely disgusted by the whole bunch of them..
m2c, Crystal was only a grade behind Ron in school. They are less than 2 years apart.
Her mom was with the drug dwelling guy Lauramore at the time Crystal was 14 and didn’t give a hoot where she was.
@BouncyBelle, you couldn’t have made a truer statement, the kids were taken away from marie and given to Johnny while she was in jail for a year. Crystal left Johnny’s house, she didn’t want to home to her momma around that Lauramore man, so she moved in with Teresa and Ron, had no place else to do.. stayed with Teresa until she was 20.. Ron didn’t keep Crystal away from her Family.. Her Family kept her Away. When the Truth Starts coming out.. the Circus starts to set up again.. Look for the Clowns to reappear.
treece said,
in October 17th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Native Alien, NO one in their right mind would make a plea bargain for a heinous crime when they are a minor and the charge is going to declare them an adult and send them to prison unless they were totally guilty. A lawyer would be totally negligent to allow such. There is enough injustice and drama going on with this I think it would be best to leave this subject alone. JMO treece
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Exactly, treece. No SA is going to try a 16 YO on just the word of a 13 YO without evidence to back it up. When a brutal rape of a child turns into a 13 YO that was into kinky sex then I think the poster is a lot of bricks short of a full load.
m2c said,in October 17th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
thank you for answering me. i meant to post on previous thread. it sure was out of context here. isn’t it all so sad? and what about amber. her baby has no dad and only a sometimes mom. nay nay has a baby and she is also in jail. this is a really big mess. the parents and the children.
i keep thinking about cobra’s friend he has mentioned. the woman who is raising babies. i know he said she gets paid government money for doing so. he made it sound like tight circumstances. i wonder if she is a charity too? for the holidays coming up. if cobra knows anything about that? if people can give holiday donations. i don’t remember her name.
mlee said,
in October 17th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Vaquera, you are so right.. and it seems they just may not be gone.. Whatever cobra has chosen to do, which involves Kim or any of the rest.. It’s his path, he’s chosen it…..
And he will walk it without my support.. that one has ended!!!!! Art has chosen his path and he walks without my support also.. Tim Miller, I never in my wildest dreams would ever have thought he was so vendictive, he harms himself without help from others. and it will be at his own doing.. The rest, I wouldn’t give the time of day!!!!!! Absolutely disgusted by the whole bunch of them..
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I agree..
You know the old saying about when you lay down with dogs, you will get fleas. I hope cobra has his flea collar on.
And as President Bush said-
There’s an old saying in Tennessee – I know it’s in Texas, it’s probably in Tennessee – that says, fool me once, shame on … shame on you. It fool me. We can’t get fooled again.”
You get my drift
LOL
ms.peridot, I thought that was WBG’s mother who ended up with her own legal troubles.
Was that just mistaken identity if anyone knows?
Vaquera -
lol…funny you should say that. I’ve questioned several peoples “strategery” in this case.
Wow, mlee,
Are you related to the clan or just a nosey busybody? Where you gettin’ what you probably think is dirty laundry? Got any of your own you’d like to share?
You make it out to be that Ron never provided a home for his sweetheart at the time and his baby Haleigh, just stayed with his mama Teresa all them years but you can’t just go spouting off unless you got proof to back up what you say.
mlee & Vaquera,
Art Harris, Tim Miller, and Cobra will do fine walking the paths they’ve chosen to walk. They don’t need you to support them so whether you do or not does not matter. Do you think they would support the paths you choose to take in your life?
You both suond very bossy and controlling. They have their lives to live their way, not yours.
Wow, the stuff you people put on the internet to trash other people is horrible. Some of you have been trashing people everyday here for months. Today is Sunday. Don’t you have church to go to? What would your pastor say if he knew the garbage you were writing about people you never even met?
Sorry to offend, Drew, but don’t stop coming around after all these months! I can’t promise any dirty pictures, though. You’ll have to go to another site for that!
Happy Sunday!
Oh, and say a prayer for Haleigh, will you? THAT’s what’s important to us.
Native Alien what you do by spreading untruths and misinformation and trying to put the blame on a VICTIM, a child VICTIM at that, is no better then what Snodgrass and his friends are doing by claiming that his VICTIMS lied about what happened to them.
You are a vile evil person by taking your hatred for Misty across the net and spewing your venom against VICTIMS.
No matter what any of our feelings are for Misty TODAY, when she was 13 she was the VICTIM of a horrific crime. SO SAYS THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
You need to get over yourself and those that are allowing you to spew your lies about a minor child VICTIM should rethink what they are allowing you to do.
JMO of course.
Drew, rather than attack me, why don’t you spend your time doing a bit of research.. you do not have to be related to people, to see the truth. You may refer to me as a busybody, but how would you refer to yourself??? I see your spouting your comments, and whom do you stand up and protect. Should I ask you what is your part of the circus that has taken all of the attention away from searching for a small child?
Todate the people that were listed in the prior conversation you took offense to are all adults and for some reason seem to flock together, and that has to make people wonder why.. Why put every effort into throwing rocks and not spending the time looking for this child.. And your opinion.. not worth too much either!!!
If anyone knows so much than why didn’t they solve this case yeterday, or better yet 8 months ago?
Drew, are you actually interested in this case? In finding out what happened to Haleigh? How would you suggest going about it if you do not approve of anything you’ve seen so far?
We’re sure open to suggestions because we aren’t very happy that it’s been 8 months either.
FYI
A list of who Art Harris sites as his sources:
Skeptics close to the case
Sources close to the case
Sources close to the investigation
A source close to the case
In every story Mr. Harris sites a source close to the case.
Of course when Mr. Harris says a source close to the case he could be talking about anyone. Sources close to the case could include: William Stuabs, Kim Picazio, and an entire list of shady characters. He may even include himself as a “source close to the case”
If Misty would have been able to be introduced to the finer things life has to offer, maybe she would see it’s worth it to change her life around..Why, the cover was blown so soon is beyond me..
I don’t think Cobra is leaving the case, he is why we are discussing these characters in the first place..He probably is back with Kim to make a case and sue these people that charged him, so he will be busy with that..
Art once said if he revealed his sources as to who they were, he would have no one telling him anything..
There is a chance Haleigh is a live some where, whether it be due to drug money having to be paid or something different..
I think Misty was referring to Haleigh poppin wheelies that day after school as she was playing out in the yard with the Kids..
As far as Misty’s schooling, she was trying hard, to get her work done but she didn’t get the help at the time..
Ron had stated on an interview, that Haleigh had to take hormones for the Turners Syndrome, and that was done by an endocrinologist, Teresa has taken Haleigh to some of her appointments..
Anyone know why I haven’t seen Art Harris on this blog lately??
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