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		<title>By: m2c</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1425641</link>
		<dc:creator>m2c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms Peridot - I think I responded to your 9:01 earlier? On another article? Anyway, it's okay, I'm the one who (not seriously) called Ron a car thief (in the context of what we were talking about). I appreciate your telling me the background around that car business  -that's what I meant - that there is always a lot more information/story behind a statement like Marie's, "Ron took the car." Same goes for things people have said about Crystal (missed doctor's visits). I may mention something I read about one of them BUT I have NEVER taken sides or participated in the "who's the better parent" contest and I won't. Not at this point anyway.

My focus is to find out about everyone and everything in order to try to figure out what could have happened to Haleigh. In that process some good stuff is going to be said and some bad stuff is going to be said about everyone. If we go to war over that, or any negative comment about one side or the other then there's no hope in finding Haleigh. No reason to blog either really (IMO).   It would all add up to nothing but one-sided BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Peridot - I think I responded to your 9:01 earlier? On another article? Anyway, it&#8217;s okay, I&#8217;m the one who (not seriously) called Ron a car thief (in the context of what we were talking about). I appreciate your telling me the background around that car business  -that&#8217;s what I meant - that there is always a lot more information/story behind a statement like Marie&#8217;s, &#8220;Ron took the car.&#8221; Same goes for things people have said about Crystal (missed doctor&#8217;s visits). I may mention something I read about one of them BUT I have NEVER taken sides or participated in the &#8220;who&#8217;s the better parent&#8221; contest and I won&#8217;t. Not at this point anyway.</p>
<p>My focus is to find out about everyone and everything in order to try to figure out what could have happened to Haleigh. In that process some good stuff is going to be said and some bad stuff is going to be said about everyone. If we go to war over that, or any negative comment about one side or the other then there&#8217;s no hope in finding Haleigh. No reason to blog either really (IMO).   It would all add up to nothing but one-sided BS.</p>
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		<title>By: alethea</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking about the theory that has crossed so many minds that the child could have been taken away because of concerns for her safety and well-being. I think most people would say that could be understandable or even excusable. Even worthy of legal pardon. Then, I had this chilling thought: what if money changed hands. If it all came out, no one would get any sympathy, nor would they deserve it. In my opinion.

Another scenario where Misty would be the victim after all. God help us, what a mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about the theory that has crossed so many minds that the child could have been taken away because of concerns for her safety and well-being. I think most people would say that could be understandable or even excusable. Even worthy of legal pardon. Then, I had this chilling thought: what if money changed hands. If it all came out, no one would get any sympathy, nor would they deserve it. In my opinion.</p>
<p>Another scenario where Misty would be the victim after all. God help us, what a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: ms.peridot19</title>
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		<dc:creator>ms.peridot19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DISGUSTED said,in October 17th, 2009 at 1:04 am

i missed you post, thanks for the response and information.  i will check it out. 

good night everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DISGUSTED said,in October 17th, 2009 at 1:04 am</p>
<p>i missed you post, thanks for the response and information.  i will check it out. </p>
<p>good night everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: ms.peridot19</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1425461</link>
		<dc:creator>ms.peridot19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am sorry m2c i was trying to answer you and i posted this to the wrong thread.

 hello m2c,

i don’t know these people personally at all.

i was not really try to say ron was a car thief. 

i was more trying to make a point about the dr.s visits. that we don’t know all the facts and maybe she is not as callous a mother based on that fact alone. earlier when haleigh went missing many women seemed ready to judge her by a different standard than ronald. true, it is a ding ding ding. for, me it was a ding ding ding for both parents. someone should have made sure haleigh got to the doctor. JMO

just to make myself clear and not further the misunderstanding, i believe m.g. said there was a driving issue involved. so she bought crystal a car to help out the situation. because crystal did not have a driver’s license (and maybe she said crystal was still underage - to own a car) they could not put the title in crystal’s name. so marie bought the car and they put it in ron’s name, with the understanding it was going to be for crystal’s use. yes of course ron may have been contributing to the cost of the upkeep of the car. absolutely, i agree. i believe marie’s point was ron and crystal were still together for at least some of the missed appointments. if true, i believe as he had a car and driver’s license, maybe he could have driven them to the doctor’s so crystal could take haleigh there. maybe some are judging one parent for what both may have done. i wish this particular issue was not a consideration without hearing both sides. 

to me it was a legal argument maybe with out all the facts. (when i said exaggerated issue - poor choice of words) i personally am not going to say crystal should have lost the children, based on ronald’s (or maybe it was his lawyer’s) argument. this is just one fact. i remembered marie saying there was more to the missed appointments, than was said in court.

there was no legal issue about ron keeping the car, that i know of. i was trying to add, not further confuse the arguments about what happened to haleigh. marie’s point about ron keeping the car, the way i heard it, was crystal again was without a car. again, ron had a car. 

to me it was not that important in judging crystal’s callousness, such as would she deliberately harm haleigh, i don’t see it that way. and i really hope neither parent is involved. if crystal is involved, i pray it is because she loves haleigh and is trying to protect her. not my head, my gut says it just doesn’t feel like that is what happened. but i wish that is what happened or is happening. :S

thanks in advance for your patience.  just trying to clarify what i said earlier :)

good night</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am sorry m2c i was trying to answer you and i posted this to the wrong thread.</p>
<p> hello m2c,</p>
<p>i don’t know these people personally at all.</p>
<p>i was not really try to say ron was a car thief. </p>
<p>i was more trying to make a point about the dr.s visits. that we don’t know all the facts and maybe she is not as callous a mother based on that fact alone. earlier when haleigh went missing many women seemed ready to judge her by a different standard than ronald. true, it is a ding ding ding. for, me it was a ding ding ding for both parents. someone should have made sure haleigh got to the doctor. JMO</p>
<p>just to make myself clear and not further the misunderstanding, i believe m.g. said there was a driving issue involved. so she bought crystal a car to help out the situation. because crystal did not have a driver’s license (and maybe she said crystal was still underage - to own a car) they could not put the title in crystal’s name. so marie bought the car and they put it in ron’s name, with the understanding it was going to be for crystal’s use. yes of course ron may have been contributing to the cost of the upkeep of the car. absolutely, i agree. i believe marie’s point was ron and crystal were still together for at least some of the missed appointments. if true, i believe as he had a car and driver’s license, maybe he could have driven them to the doctor’s so crystal could take haleigh there. maybe some are judging one parent for what both may have done. i wish this particular issue was not a consideration without hearing both sides. </p>
<p>to me it was a legal argument maybe with out all the facts. (when i said exaggerated issue - poor choice of words) i personally am not going to say crystal should have lost the children, based on ronald’s (or maybe it was his lawyer’s) argument. this is just one fact. i remembered marie saying there was more to the missed appointments, than was said in court.</p>
<p>there was no legal issue about ron keeping the car, that i know of. i was trying to add, not further confuse the arguments about what happened to haleigh. marie’s point about ron keeping the car, the way i heard it, was crystal again was without a car. again, ron had a car. </p>
<p>to me it was not that important in judging crystal’s callousness, such as would she deliberately harm haleigh, i don’t see it that way. and i really hope neither parent is involved. if crystal is involved, i pray it is because she loves haleigh and is trying to protect her. not my head, my gut says it just doesn’t feel like that is what happened. but i wish that is what happened or is happening. :S</p>
<p>thanks in advance for your patience.  just trying to clarify what i said earlier <img src='http://www.bloggernews.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>good night</p>
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		<title>By: ms.peridot19</title>
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		<dc:creator>ms.peridot19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PAW69 said,in October 17th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

me too!  100% on everything you said.  lol

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAW69 said,in October 17th, 2009 at 4:37 pm</p>
<p>me too!  100% on everything you said.  lol</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.bloggernews.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Toughenough</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1425401</link>
		<dc:creator>Toughenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PAW, I agree, there is just so much going on my head is spinning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAW, I agree, there is just so much going on my head is spinning.</p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
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		<dc:creator>PAW69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. peridot, 

Yes I watch Army Wives. Sometimes I get so mad at it, it's unreal lol. Every week I say I'm never gonna watch it again. But guess what? I watch it every week. LOL. 

I'm too the point in this case where I think I'm going to sit back and watch how things go. Of course I'll put my opinions in on the blogs. But I think for now due to all the different directions we all have been going, it's safer to just stand back for a bit. 

But I still think they need to look closer into Crystal's side, Especially Chad. 
And if Tommy sold a car so quickly, They need to find that car and take a look at it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. peridot, </p>
<p>Yes I watch Army Wives. Sometimes I get so mad at it, it&#8217;s unreal lol. Every week I say I&#8217;m never gonna watch it again. But guess what? I watch it every week. LOL. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m too the point in this case where I think I&#8217;m going to sit back and watch how things go. Of course I&#8217;ll put my opinions in on the blogs. But I think for now due to all the different directions we all have been going, it&#8217;s safer to just stand back for a bit. </p>
<p>But I still think they need to look closer into Crystal&#8217;s side, Especially Chad.<br />
And if Tommy sold a car so quickly, They need to find that car and take a look at it too.</p>
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		<title>By: jennalu</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennalu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen, agree with you.  We don't know much of the REAL stuff that has gone on.  Ron's temper also scares me.  Apparently, I hope, DCF has taken all this into consideration upon investigating.  Ron does seem to love the kids.  If not, he would have put them in foster homes as he was receiving no support for them.  There are thousands of dads who simply wouldn't be bothered to take care of the children.  To someone's credit, maybe TN or GGS, the children appear to be well fed and clean.  Haleigh has so many very cute outfits.

T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, agree with you.  We don&#8217;t know much of the REAL stuff that has gone on.  Ron&#8217;s temper also scares me.  Apparently, I hope, DCF has taken all this into consideration upon investigating.  Ron does seem to love the kids.  If not, he would have put them in foster homes as he was receiving no support for them.  There are thousands of dads who simply wouldn&#8217;t be bothered to take care of the children.  To someone&#8217;s credit, maybe TN or GGS, the children appear to be well fed and clean.  Haleigh has so many very cute outfits.</p>
<p>T</p>
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		<title>By: Karon Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karon Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennalu:
I am not excusing either side, but I think there is alot more to the story than we know. I am seriosly worried about Jr.  Ron's violence and threats scare me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennalu:<br />
I am not excusing either side, but I think there is alot more to the story than we know. I am seriosly worried about Jr.  Ron&#8217;s violence and threats scare me.</p>
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		<title>By: jennalu</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennalu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:Crystal not getting Haleigh to numerous 
Drs.' appointments - which was a factor which helped Ron get custody. I saw Crystal on NG with her lawyer KP. awhile ago. Kim P. explained when NG asked the above question.  Kim said that Crystal couldn't get Haleigh to 
Drs.  because "she (Crystal) had no driver's license."  Didn't make sense to me as in a town that small, you could almost walk to a Dr.'s office.  Certainly, with the stack of relatives she has, someone would have taken her in their vehicle.  I also read that Crystal stated in court that she was "just too tired to get out of bed to take Haleigh."  To be very honest, IMO, Crystal is not very interested in either of Ron's children.  If she wanted to be a part of their lives, she would have stayed nearby and probably could have seen and helped with these adorable children a lot more than she did in past years.  Instead, she chose to have another baby with her stepbrother in a town 100 miles away. 

Sorry, but I do not see much ambition or energy in anything involving Crystal.  I am no 
Ron fan either because of all the drugs and criminality in almost every family member of Halieghs on both sides.  IMO, these children should be with someone outside the family who absolutely is clean, sober with decent morals and are able to love these children to make them a different, more reproductive life than either parent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:Crystal not getting Haleigh to numerous<br />
Drs.&#8217; appointments - which was a factor which helped Ron get custody. I saw Crystal on NG with her lawyer KP. awhile ago. Kim P. explained when NG asked the above question.  Kim said that Crystal couldn&#8217;t get Haleigh to<br />
Drs.  because &#8220;she (Crystal) had no driver&#8217;s license.&#8221;  Didn&#8217;t make sense to me as in a town that small, you could almost walk to a Dr.&#8217;s office.  Certainly, with the stack of relatives she has, someone would have taken her in their vehicle.  I also read that Crystal stated in court that she was &#8220;just too tired to get out of bed to take Haleigh.&#8221;  To be very honest, IMO, Crystal is not very interested in either of Ron&#8217;s children.  If she wanted to be a part of their lives, she would have stayed nearby and probably could have seen and helped with these adorable children a lot more than she did in past years.  Instead, she chose to have another baby with her stepbrother in a town 100 miles away. </p>
<p>Sorry, but I do not see much ambition or energy in anything involving Crystal.  I am no<br />
Ron fan either because of all the drugs and criminality in almost every family member of Halieghs on both sides.  IMO, these children should be with someone outside the family who absolutely is clean, sober with decent morals and are able to love these children to make them a different, more reproductive life than either parent.</p>
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		<title>By: Karon Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karon Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crystal said she went back to Ronald several times because of the kids, but he wouldn't change.  That is, most likley, when he took the car that Marie bought Crystal.

I am also so sick of the fussing and jealousy of everybody around this case.  The attacks get so ugly.  It is like people set out to ruin the other person.  I am afraid, when all of this is over, some people are going to be under the bus for ever.  It could be a rough rocky ride under that bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crystal said she went back to Ronald several times because of the kids, but he wouldn&#8217;t change.  That is, most likley, when he took the car that Marie bought Crystal.</p>
<p>I am also so sick of the fussing and jealousy of everybody around this case.  The attacks get so ugly.  It is like people set out to ruin the other person.  I am afraid, when all of this is over, some people are going to be under the bus for ever.  It could be a rough rocky ride under that bus.</p>
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		<title>By: Noreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Machiavelli said,in October 16th, 2009 at 9:10 am Cobra -the specific facts mentioned in those posts are telling, and yes, very interesting. Only a few would know.
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Machiavellianism is, according to the OED, "the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct", deriving from the Italian Renaissance diplomat and writer Niccolò Machiavelli, who wrote Il Principe (The Prince) and other works. Machiavellian and variants became very popular in the late 16th century in English, though "Machiavellianism" itself is first cited by the OED from 1626. The word has a similar use in modern psychology.

Machiavelli, according to the popular view, although this is disputed at least in part by most Machiavelli scholars, held that people were by nature untrustworthy, malevolent and self-serving, and thus those in power could only maintain their position through exploitative and deceitful actions.  Source Wikipedia.
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Cobra, your own statements on the Radio Show each week, have led us to believe that you would NOT be in this position, if your now 'good' friend KLP had not set you up; even her brother-in-law was on the show backing up your statements.  Are you saying that KP now, did not call your gf and advise her of the fact that you were 'going down'?  Dangerous grounds you’re threading, squelch, squelch.  

I am so sick of the ‘circus’ around this case.  

Where is HaLeigh, when will she be returned to her loved ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Machiavelli said,in October 16th, 2009 at 9:10 am Cobra -the specific facts mentioned in those posts are telling, and yes, very interesting. Only a few would know.<br />
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Machiavellianism is, according to the OED, &#8220;the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct&#8221;, deriving from the Italian Renaissance diplomat and writer Niccolò Machiavelli, who wrote Il Principe (The Prince) and other works. Machiavellian and variants became very popular in the late 16th century in English, though &#8220;Machiavellianism&#8221; itself is first cited by the OED from 1626. The word has a similar use in modern psychology.</p>
<p>Machiavelli, according to the popular view, although this is disputed at least in part by most Machiavelli scholars, held that people were by nature untrustworthy, malevolent and self-serving, and thus those in power could only maintain their position through exploitative and deceitful actions.  Source Wikipedia.<br />
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<p>Cobra, your own statements on the Radio Show each week, have led us to believe that you would NOT be in this position, if your now &#8216;good&#8217; friend KLP had not set you up; even her brother-in-law was on the show backing up your statements.  Are you saying that KP now, did not call your gf and advise her of the fact that you were &#8216;going down&#8217;?  Dangerous grounds you’re threading, squelch, squelch.  </p>
<p>I am so sick of the ‘circus’ around this case.  </p>
<p>Where is HaLeigh, when will she be returned to her loved ones?</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1425112</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and Ms Peridot, you asked, "it is curious if crystal didn’t get her license till she was 21, why?"

Early in the case I remember reading that Misty was driving without a license - she'd never gotten one - well she was only 16. Anyway soon after than news was made public, she got her license. 

I have to think that some people in that community just don't pay any attention to little things like laws (even driver's licenses) and apparently local LE doesn't either. (Or underage girls shacked up with older men). At least not until the national public becomes aware of the situation.

(I'm going to be sarcastic here) So that leads me to wonder if it would help for us to point out to local LE that drugs and sexual offences (especially against children and minors) are against the law. Maybe LE would wake up and start doing something about that!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and Ms Peridot, you asked, &#8220;it is curious if crystal didn’t get her license till she was 21, why?&#8221;</p>
<p>Early in the case I remember reading that Misty was driving without a license - she&#8217;d never gotten one - well she was only 16. Anyway soon after than news was made public, she got her license. </p>
<p>I have to think that some people in that community just don&#8217;t pay any attention to little things like laws (even driver&#8217;s licenses) and apparently local LE doesn&#8217;t either. (Or underage girls shacked up with older men). At least not until the national public becomes aware of the situation.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m going to be sarcastic here) So that leads me to wonder if it would help for us to point out to local LE that drugs and sexual offences (especially against children and minors) are against the law. Maybe LE would wake up and start doing something about that!  <img src='http://www.bloggernews.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
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		<dc:creator>m2c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm very confused about two car situations.
The one you mentioned, Ms. Peridot, if Crystal bought a car in her name and Ron "took it" then he could very easily be accused of car theft. And why not do that when they split up? If Crystal bought the car in her AND Ron's name, then that's a problem. And who is paying for it?
Was it bought outright or were there payments owed - and if so who paid them? Does Florida have car taxes, registration, renewals, inspections, etc? If so, and if Ron was paying them then well, who's car is it? THere are so many questions that come to mind when someone says something like Marie did. "Ron took it." Of course the immediate (and obviously desired) result is Ron is a car thief. But is he really?
Only the answers to the other questions would tell us.

Also I read that the car that Tommy sold very quickly after Haleigh disappeared was registered to Misty and her mother. So Tommy had no legal right to sell it. And I read that  the title was never signed over to the new owner. So that's another car mess but it's never been looked into as far as I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very confused about two car situations.<br />
The one you mentioned, Ms. Peridot, if Crystal bought a car in her name and Ron &#8220;took it&#8221; then he could very easily be accused of car theft. And why not do that when they split up? If Crystal bought the car in her AND Ron&#8217;s name, then that&#8217;s a problem. And who is paying for it?<br />
Was it bought outright or were there payments owed - and if so who paid them? Does Florida have car taxes, registration, renewals, inspections, etc? If so, and if Ron was paying them then well, who&#8217;s car is it? THere are so many questions that come to mind when someone says something like Marie did. &#8220;Ron took it.&#8221; Of course the immediate (and obviously desired) result is Ron is a car thief. But is he really?<br />
Only the answers to the other questions would tell us.</p>
<p>Also I read that the car that Tommy sold very quickly after Haleigh disappeared was registered to Misty and her mother. So Tommy had no legal right to sell it. And I read that  the title was never signed over to the new owner. So that&#8217;s another car mess but it&#8217;s never been looked into as far as I know.</p>
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		<title>By: ms.peridot19</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>karon,

my nerves are frazzled for sure.  

thank you for confirmation on marie saying she paid for crystal to have a car.  and marie says ron took it.   

it is curious if crystal didn't get her license till she was 21, why?  

if this was happening to her, being blocked in by family,  well that explains a lot to me.  instead of encouraging ronald to respect women, and especially the mother of his children, he may have been supported in alienating her and the kids from each other? if true how selfish of everyone involved.  i hope they were not begrudging crystal her every other weekend with her children.  or the children with their mother.  

if people did that maybe they were afraid she would find out things and might win custody back?  hmmmm  but, i doubt once ronald became the primary custodial parent, you could change that.  you would have to have prove something terrible happened, because, everyone always believes it is to hard to remove a child from their home.

all this is one more thing to hope isn't true. i also hope ronald jr. knows it is okay for him to love both of his parents. and we all are hoping he has his sister come home soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karon,</p>
<p>my nerves are frazzled for sure.  </p>
<p>thank you for confirmation on marie saying she paid for crystal to have a car.  and marie says ron took it.   </p>
<p>it is curious if crystal didn&#8217;t get her license till she was 21, why?  </p>
<p>if this was happening to her, being blocked in by family,  well that explains a lot to me.  instead of encouraging ronald to respect women, and especially the mother of his children, he may have been supported in alienating her and the kids from each other? if true how selfish of everyone involved.  i hope they were not begrudging crystal her every other weekend with her children.  or the children with their mother.  </p>
<p>if people did that maybe they were afraid she would find out things and might win custody back?  hmmmm  but, i doubt once ronald became the primary custodial parent, you could change that.  you would have to have prove something terrible happened, because, everyone always believes it is to hard to remove a child from their home.</p>
<p>all this is one more thing to hope isn&#8217;t true. i also hope ronald jr. knows it is okay for him to love both of his parents. and we all are hoping he has his sister come home soon!</p>
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		<title>By: ms.peridot19</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>linda, 

hmmm - misty's family is saying she call's them for help.  maybe they were just trying to make sure she was okay that night tommy/ron fight.  and the timmy phone calls too.

i hope you are so wrong about scenario, but, it is plausible.  and it could have been any of how many things that could have gone wrong that night.  maybe, no partying even, maybe accident and misty was afraid of losing ron.
maybe tommy was trying to help misty.

jan or simon could you ask the sunday panel about haleigh's blanket that misty washed?  was it still in the mh? or found any where else?


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2169871/haleigh_cummings_investigation_is_the_pg2_pg2.html?cat=47
"Misty Croslin Cummings reported finding a blanket and sheets scattered outside the door of the Cummings residence when she discovered Haleigh missing. Did the blanket and sheets scattered outside the trailer after Haleigh disappeared come from the bed in which Haleigh was sleeping?"

people is it legal to copy internet address' with quotes.  maybe i should stop that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>linda, </p>
<p>hmmm - misty&#8217;s family is saying she call&#8217;s them for help.  maybe they were just trying to make sure she was okay that night tommy/ron fight.  and the timmy phone calls too.</p>
<p>i hope you are so wrong about scenario, but, it is plausible.  and it could have been any of how many things that could have gone wrong that night.  maybe, no partying even, maybe accident and misty was afraid of losing ron.<br />
maybe tommy was trying to help misty.</p>
<p>jan or simon could you ask the sunday panel about haleigh&#8217;s blanket that misty washed?  was it still in the mh? or found any where else?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2169871/haleigh_cummings_investigation_is_the_pg2_pg2.html?cat=47" rel="nofollow">http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2169871/haleigh_cummings_investigation_is_the_pg2_pg2.html?cat=47</a><br />
&#8220;Misty Croslin Cummings reported finding a blanket and sheets scattered outside the door of the Cummings residence when she discovered Haleigh missing. Did the blanket and sheets scattered outside the trailer after Haleigh disappeared come from the bed in which Haleigh was sleeping?&#8221;</p>
<p>people is it legal to copy internet address&#8217; with quotes.  maybe i should stop that.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>October 17th, 2009 at 1:37 am
hello j

i did try to find info myself instead of always asking.  thank you, that is probably why i could not find the custody information.  i forgot about that info you posted.  i am not sure if i remember right though, i thought marie gave crystal money to buy a car when c.s. still lived with ron, but ron kept the car for himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>October 17th, 2009 at 1:37 am<br />
hello j</p>
<p>i did try to find info myself instead of always asking.  thank you, that is probably why i could not find the custody information.  i forgot about that info you posted.  i am not sure if i remember right though, i thought marie gave crystal money to buy a car when c.s. still lived with ron, but ron kept the car for himself.</p>
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		<title>By: ms.peridot19</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello karon,

you are really great at keeping the facts straight!  i need to take notes, myself. thank you for taking the time, to tell me.

i am very happy haleigh's health improved with time.

i always wonder if people smoke around haleigh.  i have loved ones with asthma, who cannot be around smoke at all.  i am so happy the laws have changed about smoking in public for this reason.   don't want people to lose their rights, but, i mean they are not all right around smoking period. of course this may not be true for haleigh and/or maybe no one smokes around her.

earlier i posted about if the le people don't notify endocrinologist's maybe her parent's could.  well that would go for allergist's and pulmonologists too.  does anyone know if le does do that, i would think they would do that right away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello karon,</p>
<p>you are really great at keeping the facts straight!  i need to take notes, myself. thank you for taking the time, to tell me.</p>
<p>i am very happy haleigh&#8217;s health improved with time.</p>
<p>i always wonder if people smoke around haleigh.  i have loved ones with asthma, who cannot be around smoke at all.  i am so happy the laws have changed about smoking in public for this reason.   don&#8217;t want people to lose their rights, but, i mean they are not all right around smoking period. of course this may not be true for haleigh and/or maybe no one smokes around her.</p>
<p>earlier i posted about if the le people don&#8217;t notify endocrinologist&#8217;s maybe her parent&#8217;s could.  well that would go for allergist&#8217;s and pulmonologists too.  does anyone know if le does do that, i would think they would do that right away.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello treece, 
 in October 16th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

thanks for the kind words about the point i was trying to make.  

i hope you are correct in your interpretation of the situation.  i do wonder if crystal did not know how to try to get the kids back or have the money to do so if she believed it best for the kids. of course it only matters now if it is relevant to what happened to haleigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello treece,<br />
 in October 16th, 2009 at 10:32 pm</p>
<p>thanks for the kind words about the point i was trying to make.  </p>
<p>i hope you are correct in your interpretation of the situation.  i do wonder if crystal did not know how to try to get the kids back or have the money to do so if she believed it best for the kids. of course it only matters now if it is relevant to what happened to haleigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Karon Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karon Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MsPeridot:

You are right about the news.  It is getting to be a mess.  I hate to hear anything I have heard, because the facts may change the next day,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MsPeridot:</p>
<p>You are right about the news.  It is getting to be a mess.  I hate to hear anything I have heard, because the facts may change the next day,</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody knows for sure Ms.Peridot.  It could be so many people.  Ron said that Haleigh's inhaler was still there at the house, the nebulizer was gone, but her inhaler was still there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody knows for sure Ms.Peridot.  It could be so many people.  Ron said that Haleigh&#8217;s inhaler was still there at the house, the nebulizer was gone, but her inhaler was still there.</p>
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		<title>By: ms.peridot19</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paw69 
"The Media tends to only show the bad sides in people involved in anything. They NEVER show the good sides of anyone"

yes yes yes.   sometime i think some of us, don't appreciate how lucky we are to have free media.  (maybe it is not free anymore.)but boy. doesn't it seem everything has switched to ratings as opposed to facts.  the internet sure is changing things too.  it will be interesting to see where we end up news wise in a decade or two.

for example, political commercials are amazing to me.  you can cut things together to make anyone seem terrible or great. it is not that hard to distort the facts on any subject the same way with dramatic snipets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paw69<br />
&#8220;The Media tends to only show the bad sides in people involved in anything. They NEVER show the good sides of anyone&#8221;</p>
<p>yes yes yes.   sometime i think some of us, don&#8217;t appreciate how lucky we are to have free media.  (maybe it is not free anymore.)but boy. doesn&#8217;t it seem everything has switched to ratings as opposed to facts.  the internet sure is changing things too.  it will be interesting to see where we end up news wise in a decade or two.</p>
<p>for example, political commercials are amazing to me.  you can cut things together to make anyone seem terrible or great. it is not that hard to distort the facts on any subject the same way with dramatic snipets.</p>
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		<title>By: ms.peridot19</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello paw69

PAW69 said,in October 16th, 2009 at 7:59 pmI could type all the medical problems me and both my kids have. But #1, there isn’t enough room here, #2 it’s very intense.

The point is, when you have a child/ren, they are 1st and fore most #1 in EVERYTHING. There are no excuses for not being able to take them to the doctor, or having the other parent take them or even a relative take them. NO EXCUSES.

okay i agree that you are probably a fabulous parent.  and if only all people had that attitude about their kids...   

i am truly happy you and your family have had such wonderful medical care.  and i am truly happy you have a right to change doctors when you don't like one.  

not everyone is so blessed with wonderful medical care.  for example did you know changing doctors can be considered proof of child abuse?  i know this for a fact.  

i think on the topic of medical care for haleigh, whether ron or crystal, i don't think the facts are out there enough, for me to have a opinion on what happened with haleigh. we might have to agree to disagree on this point  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello paw69</p>
<p>PAW69 said,in October 16th, 2009 at 7:59 pmI could type all the medical problems me and both my kids have. But #1, there isn’t enough room here, #2 it’s very intense.</p>
<p>The point is, when you have a child/ren, they are 1st and fore most #1 in EVERYTHING. There are no excuses for not being able to take them to the doctor, or having the other parent take them or even a relative take them. NO EXCUSES.</p>
<p>okay i agree that you are probably a fabulous parent.  and if only all people had that attitude about their kids&#8230;   </p>
<p>i am truly happy you and your family have had such wonderful medical care.  and i am truly happy you have a right to change doctors when you don&#8217;t like one.  </p>
<p>not everyone is so blessed with wonderful medical care.  for example did you know changing doctors can be considered proof of child abuse?  i know this for a fact.  </p>
<p>i think on the topic of medical care for haleigh, whether ron or crystal, i don&#8217;t think the facts are out there enough, for me to have a opinion on what happened with haleigh. we might have to agree to disagree on this point  <img src='http://www.bloggernews.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ms.peridot,

Crystal was over $12,000 in arrears for child support.  That's 3 years worth of payments.  On February 3rd the DOR filed Contempt charges against her.  Jail was a very real possibility for her.  I'm not sure who you would like to call.  You should look into the laws of the State of Florida.  Or, do some research.  Crystal's own father was jailed for failure to pay child support.  Crystal knew that this was a very real possibility at the hearing that was scheduled for March 27th.  (We know that hearing was canceled because HaLeigh was taken, and NO, I am not saying Crystal took her to avoid Court.  Just responding to your questions).

The nebulizer being taken is a rumor from early on that grew legs.  There is no proof that any nebulizer was ever taken.  Ron said HaLeigh only needs to use an inhaler sometimes, not a nebulizer.

I agree with you, however, in that I hope HaLeigh's parents are innocent.  At the same time, I hope that someone in her family has her safe and tucked away somewhere.  The alternative is much too awful to even think about.  I really pray that someone who loves her has her and is loving her and caring for her.  Obviously statistically that is not probable, but without hope, we have nothing, and I will not give up on HaLeigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms.peridot,</p>
<p>Crystal was over $12,000 in arrears for child support.  That&#8217;s 3 years worth of payments.  On February 3rd the DOR filed Contempt charges against her.  Jail was a very real possibility for her.  I&#8217;m not sure who you would like to call.  You should look into the laws of the State of Florida.  Or, do some research.  Crystal&#8217;s own father was jailed for failure to pay child support.  Crystal knew that this was a very real possibility at the hearing that was scheduled for March 27th.  (We know that hearing was canceled because HaLeigh was taken, and NO, I am not saying Crystal took her to avoid Court.  Just responding to your questions).</p>
<p>The nebulizer being taken is a rumor from early on that grew legs.  There is no proof that any nebulizer was ever taken.  Ron said HaLeigh only needs to use an inhaler sometimes, not a nebulizer.</p>
<p>I agree with you, however, in that I hope HaLeigh&#8217;s parents are innocent.  At the same time, I hope that someone in her family has her safe and tucked away somewhere.  The alternative is much too awful to even think about.  I really pray that someone who loves her has her and is loving her and caring for her.  Obviously statistically that is not probable, but without hope, we have nothing, and I will not give up on HaLeigh.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PAW69,  i really am having trouble keeping up with facts and theories.  my head just swims.  i want to go back to the beginning to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAW69,  i really am having trouble keeping up with facts and theories.  my head just swims.  i want to go back to the beginning to.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PAW69,
PAW stands for Proud Army Wife

thank you to you and your husband for his service and yours as his wife.  i deeply admire people and their families for serving our country!  

is it okay for you to post if you like army wives on lifetime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAW69,<br />
PAW stands for Proud Army Wife</p>
<p>thank you to you and your husband for his service and yours as his wife.  i deeply admire people and their families for serving our country!  </p>
<p>is it okay for you to post if you like army wives on lifetime?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when people talk about crystal being at risk for going to jail for back child support.  who can i call to verify if that was a real risk in this case?  next week i will try to find out. i mean in general, not specifically about ron and crystal, as i am sure no one could answer specifically about a particular case.

also about crystal not trying to get custody.  she is sure careful most of the time about what she says.  i think it maybe is a part of not crossing ron.  of course, that is only one possibility. 

about child support, i do find it confusing that it is always about crystal owing back support for haleigh.  what i do remember of the papers on the internet, that she was earning  a little over 900.00 monthly as a waitress?  i believe she had to pay 300.00 + for both children per month.

txgldgrl
"The nebulizer being missing points to the possibility that whoever took the child cares about the child and wants her properly cared for"  

this is a very important fact.  and most likely true.  whoever took her, most likely was aware she needed it.  trying to look at all possibilities, could someone have used it for illegal drugs and disposed of it before police would realize that?  or even maybe it was accidentally thrown out if things were cleaned up before police arrived.  last idea i have on that is, maybe it was broken and thrown out. 

texasgldgrl,  i mean this seriously, do you have any idea about how many endocrinologists are in the u.s. and maybe even canada or mexico.  if i had a missing child, i would try to contact them all.  it would be free maybe if they contacted the american endocrinologist's association and asked to have a pic included with their mail to their current and maybe past members.  maybe a printer would donate some of the printing, and paper supplier could donate some of the paper.  or if not, maybe the info the association mails out could include a pic of haleigh printed right in it.  and maybe i am a crazy woman.  just thinking out loud on the internet.  if that could happen, i would ask them to keep her picture for the future too.  oh of course this is if police did not do this already.

it sure did look as if the police focused in.  i did find that very depressing.  maybe her parents or other relatives will really find a way to keep searching for her, i hope so.

treece,  for what it is worth, i really hope her parents are innocent and get her back, now!  it is literally a hell for them. 

i had a bad scare once. i would not even begin to compare what i went through to what ron and crystal are going through. i don't have words for what it felt like. one time when i went to pick up my son at daycare and he was not there.   i had to call the police to find him.  it took about an hour.  thank god a woman saw him at a school and called the police.  i drove right over there.  i tried to thank the woman for calling the police and staying with him.  he was sitting there for hours.  but, she would not let me thank her as she was to furious at me for not knowing he was there.  i told her i found him because she called the police.  i hope she heard me, when she calmed down.  really,  i could not be more grateful for what she did.  i only had a small taste of what haleigh's family is going through!

i give up i think i cannot get through all post tonight</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when people talk about crystal being at risk for going to jail for back child support.  who can i call to verify if that was a real risk in this case?  next week i will try to find out. i mean in general, not specifically about ron and crystal, as i am sure no one could answer specifically about a particular case.</p>
<p>also about crystal not trying to get custody.  she is sure careful most of the time about what she says.  i think it maybe is a part of not crossing ron.  of course, that is only one possibility. </p>
<p>about child support, i do find it confusing that it is always about crystal owing back support for haleigh.  what i do remember of the papers on the internet, that she was earning  a little over 900.00 monthly as a waitress?  i believe she had to pay 300.00 + for both children per month.</p>
<p>txgldgrl<br />
&#8220;The nebulizer being missing points to the possibility that whoever took the child cares about the child and wants her properly cared for&#8221;  </p>
<p>this is a very important fact.  and most likely true.  whoever took her, most likely was aware she needed it.  trying to look at all possibilities, could someone have used it for illegal drugs and disposed of it before police would realize that?  or even maybe it was accidentally thrown out if things were cleaned up before police arrived.  last idea i have on that is, maybe it was broken and thrown out. </p>
<p>texasgldgrl,  i mean this seriously, do you have any idea about how many endocrinologists are in the u.s. and maybe even canada or mexico.  if i had a missing child, i would try to contact them all.  it would be free maybe if they contacted the american endocrinologist&#8217;s association and asked to have a pic included with their mail to their current and maybe past members.  maybe a printer would donate some of the printing, and paper supplier could donate some of the paper.  or if not, maybe the info the association mails out could include a pic of haleigh printed right in it.  and maybe i am a crazy woman.  just thinking out loud on the internet.  if that could happen, i would ask them to keep her picture for the future too.  oh of course this is if police did not do this already.</p>
<p>it sure did look as if the police focused in.  i did find that very depressing.  maybe her parents or other relatives will really find a way to keep searching for her, i hope so.</p>
<p>treece,  for what it is worth, i really hope her parents are innocent and get her back, now!  it is literally a hell for them. </p>
<p>i had a bad scare once. i would not even begin to compare what i went through to what ron and crystal are going through. i don&#8217;t have words for what it felt like. one time when i went to pick up my son at daycare and he was not there.   i had to call the police to find him.  it took about an hour.  thank god a woman saw him at a school and called the police.  i drove right over there.  i tried to thank the woman for calling the police and staying with him.  he was sitting there for hours.  but, she would not let me thank her as she was to furious at me for not knowing he was there.  i told her i found him because she called the police.  i hope she heard me, when she calmed down.  really,  i could not be more grateful for what she did.  i only had a small taste of what haleigh&#8217;s family is going through!</p>
<p>i give up i think i cannot get through all post tonight</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda:

I was under the impression that he did take a poly right after this happened, but I am not sure.  Tommy was saying when they questioned he and his wife before that he would be glad to take a poly.  I saw him in an interview with FirstcoastNews. We really don't know what LE did about that or Misty's mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda:</p>
<p>I was under the impression that he did take a poly right after this happened, but I am not sure.  Tommy was saying when they questioned he and his wife before that he would be glad to take a poly.  I saw him in an interview with FirstcoastNews. We really don&#8217;t know what LE did about that or Misty&#8217;s mother.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms,Peridot:

Everyone's nerves are frayed with this case.  It is so crazy, and so many lies.  I don't think Crystal's side of the story has really been told.  Marie said Ronald wouldn't let Crystal have a license or drive.  Crystal said she didn't get her DL until she was 21. Marie said she bought Crystal a car and Ron took it.  Crystal said everytime she went to pick up the kids, the Cummings' family would block her in, so she would have trouble getting out.  I suppose just to discourage her. She was so young.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms,Peridot:</p>
<p>Everyone&#8217;s nerves are frayed with this case.  It is so crazy, and so many lies.  I don&#8217;t think Crystal&#8217;s side of the story has really been told.  Marie said Ronald wouldn&#8217;t let Crystal have a license or drive.  Crystal said she didn&#8217;t get her DL until she was 21. Marie said she bought Crystal a car and Ron took it.  Crystal said everytime she went to pick up the kids, the Cummings&#8217; family would block her in, so she would have trouble getting out.  I suppose just to discourage her. She was so young.</p>
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		<title>By: ms.peridot19</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alethea said,in October 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pm A man doesn’t want to marry the mother of his children but he’s going to get custody. Hmmm…. Only two possible reasons I can think of. Both self-serving

i do personally know of a case of a very dominating man who did this.  so that can be one reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alethea said,in October 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pm A man doesn’t want to marry the mother of his children but he’s going to get custody. Hmmm…. Only two possible reasons I can think of. Both self-serving</p>
<p>i do personally know of a case of a very dominating man who did this.  so that can be one reason.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF!!!! said,in October 16th, 2009 at 2:50 pm 
simon and jan are doing an amazing job.  i don't think there is more imp news going on right now. it is relevant to the "aftermath".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF!!!! said,in October 16th, 2009 at 2:50 pm<br />
simon and jan are doing an amazing job.  i don&#8217;t think there is more imp news going on right now. it is relevant to the &#8220;aftermath&#8221;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello again
did i say exagerate.  opps i did.  i meant to say, that on paper sometimes things sound worse than they really are.  why didn't they cancel the appointments for heaven's sake and reschedule when one of them could take her. i mean either parent.  this fact alone would not have determined custody if i was a judge and had discretion.   it concerns me if money is the main or heavy deciding factor in any child custody case.

i am not sure, if true, but, my impression is and was that maybe ronald is more sophisticated about getting custody.  boy, maybe i am glad i am not a judge.  but, i do know that accusation abt appts was by a parent trying to keep custody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello again<br />
did i say exagerate.  opps i did.  i meant to say, that on paper sometimes things sound worse than they really are.  why didn&#8217;t they cancel the appointments for heaven&#8217;s sake and reschedule when one of them could take her. i mean either parent.  this fact alone would not have determined custody if i was a judge and had discretion.   it concerns me if money is the main or heavy deciding factor in any child custody case.</p>
<p>i am not sure, if true, but, my impression is and was that maybe ronald is more sophisticated about getting custody.  boy, maybe i am glad i am not a judge.  but, i do know that accusation abt appts was by a parent trying to keep custody.</p>
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		<title>By: Karon Cox</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda:

The first time I heard Misty tell about the blanket, I knew something was wrong.  I have wondered and can't find it anywhere about LE finding that blanket.  Misty also said her own blanket was in the van that they took(meaning LE). Why was Misty's blanket in the van?

Another thing to remember is the dogs tracking right down to the water, and a child's footprint near the water. 

If Misty took that asthmatic child to a party with alot of smoke, out on a cold Feb. night, she could have had an asthma attack and died. Ronald said on the NG show that Haleigh's inhaler was there at the house.  Misty may have not taken it to the party. Then, since drugs were being used at the party, they may have been afraid to call 911.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda:</p>
<p>The first time I heard Misty tell about the blanket, I knew something was wrong.  I have wondered and can&#8217;t find it anywhere about LE finding that blanket.  Misty also said her own blanket was in the van that they took(meaning LE). Why was Misty&#8217;s blanket in the van?</p>
<p>Another thing to remember is the dogs tracking right down to the water, and a child&#8217;s footprint near the water. </p>
<p>If Misty took that asthmatic child to a party with alot of smoke, out on a cold Feb. night, she could have had an asthma attack and died. Ronald said on the NG show that Haleigh&#8217;s inhaler was there at the house.  Misty may have not taken it to the party. Then, since drugs were being used at the party, they may have been afraid to call 911.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ms.peridot,

The links to the custody docs appear to be offline.  I have them bookmarked, but the links are dead.

I don't think Marie bought Crystal a car.  In the "MOTION FOR REHEARING AND OBJECTION TO FINDINGS OF MAGISTRATE" that Attorney Behm filed on January 6th, 2006, on behalf of Crystal, he stated that Crystal bought herself a car.  (Also a home).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms.peridot,</p>
<p>The links to the custody docs appear to be offline.  I have them bookmarked, but the links are dead.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Marie bought Crystal a car.  In the &#8220;MOTION FOR REHEARING AND OBJECTION TO FINDINGS OF MAGISTRATE&#8221; that Attorney Behm filed on January 6th, 2006, on behalf of Crystal, he stated that Crystal bought herself a car.  (Also a home).</p>
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		<title>By: ms.peridot19</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello everyone,  

karon thanks for the explanation about the divorce

and everyone thank you too for the links of who to write to.  i have been trying to figure exactly  what to write, not my strong suit.

i apologize that i did not make myself clear.   making points well are not my strong suit at all.  especially when i answer the phone and finish posting while talking to someone else.  i am really happy there are not fines for misspellings too. (no more posting while talking!)

that is true PAW69 about a child being under her mother's care is responsable for taking her child to the doctor when her child needs to go.  no disagreement from me!  

i was trying to make a different point. if she was under crystal and ronald's care at the time of the missed appointments (which is what marie said to the best of my ability), they both are responsable for the child getting to the doctor.  i guess i don't understand why many hold  crystal more responsable for missed appointments , is all. i was also trying to say if crystal didn't have a drivers license, it was probably easier for ronald to drive haleigh to the doctor.  i believe marie's point was the missed appointments were when crystal did not have a license and/or a car and for most of the missed appts she still lived with ronald at the time.  

life is very unfair.  even if ronald thought crystal was a bad mom, and he was right, then he should have stepped up to the plate and taken haleigh himself to the doctor.  the 12 number is suspicous to me.  that it is alot of missed appointments. if my spouse was supposed to take my child and didn't, even if it was unfair to me, i would do my best to step up and take the child my self.  it just sounds like one of those legal arguments used to make one parent sound bad.  if crystal only had kids for 2-3 months(???) by herself, it seems like haleigh would have needed to go to the doctor every week.  maybe i am misunderstanding the situation?  if so i  apologize for my  error.  please correct me anyone if i am wrong on this.


i don't know the facts about the false reports. i never got to hear crystal's side of that story.  maybe crystal is a liar .  i am not even saying crystal is a  better parent. 

my other point is i noticed some women seemed 
to be judging crystal by a different standard then they judged ron.  just my feeling.  and i do NOT mean you personally. when i originally was reading on the case, so much hate on the internet, not real concern about haleigh. i could not take it and don't choose to read most places anymore. 

PAW69 "Also, if it’s true that Marie got her a car to take Haleigh to the doctor and she still didn’t take her, then it shows where her priorities really are."  yes i understand what you are saying.  i really hope that is not what happened.  but, if true, of course i too would take that into consideration if i was the judge deciding custody. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello everyone,  </p>
<p>karon thanks for the explanation about the divorce</p>
<p>and everyone thank you too for the links of who to write to.  i have been trying to figure exactly  what to write, not my strong suit.</p>
<p>i apologize that i did not make myself clear.   making points well are not my strong suit at all.  especially when i answer the phone and finish posting while talking to someone else.  i am really happy there are not fines for misspellings too. (no more posting while talking!)</p>
<p>that is true PAW69 about a child being under her mother&#8217;s care is responsable for taking her child to the doctor when her child needs to go.  no disagreement from me!  </p>
<p>i was trying to make a different point. if she was under crystal and ronald&#8217;s care at the time of the missed appointments (which is what marie said to the best of my ability), they both are responsable for the child getting to the doctor.  i guess i don&#8217;t understand why many hold  crystal more responsable for missed appointments , is all. i was also trying to say if crystal didn&#8217;t have a drivers license, it was probably easier for ronald to drive haleigh to the doctor.  i believe marie&#8217;s point was the missed appointments were when crystal did not have a license and/or a car and for most of the missed appts she still lived with ronald at the time.  </p>
<p>life is very unfair.  even if ronald thought crystal was a bad mom, and he was right, then he should have stepped up to the plate and taken haleigh himself to the doctor.  the 12 number is suspicous to me.  that it is alot of missed appointments. if my spouse was supposed to take my child and didn&#8217;t, even if it was unfair to me, i would do my best to step up and take the child my self.  it just sounds like one of those legal arguments used to make one parent sound bad.  if crystal only had kids for 2-3 months(???) by herself, it seems like haleigh would have needed to go to the doctor every week.  maybe i am misunderstanding the situation?  if so i  apologize for my  error.  please correct me anyone if i am wrong on this.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t know the facts about the false reports. i never got to hear crystal&#8217;s side of that story.  maybe crystal is a liar .  i am not even saying crystal is a  better parent. </p>
<p>my other point is i noticed some women seemed<br />
to be judging crystal by a different standard then they judged ron.  just my feeling.  and i do NOT mean you personally. when i originally was reading on the case, so much hate on the internet, not real concern about haleigh. i could not take it and don&#8217;t choose to read most places anymore. </p>
<p>PAW69 &#8220;Also, if it’s true that Marie got her a car to take Haleigh to the doctor and she still didn’t take her, then it shows where her priorities really are.&#8221;  yes i understand what you are saying.  i really hope that is not what happened.  but, if true, of course i too would take that into consideration if i was the judge deciding custody. </p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ms.peridot19:

You have a long post.  Let me try to hit on some of it. 

Not all of the custody documents are online.  Keep in mind that this was a long custody case.  There are 2 links online that you can read.  Hm.  I just tried to get you the links &#38; it seems like the links to all the documents have been pulled offline.  Well I can tell you that Ron was not only awarded custody b/c of financial reasons.  Here is a screenshot I found online that shows Ron was awarded custody in part b/c of Crystal''s lack of sustained contacted with the kids:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/968/lackofsustainedcontact.jpg

Here is another screenshot I found showing Crystal saying she didn't want to get out of bed:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5668/didntgetoutofbed.jpg

What you should understand about Haleigh's Tuner Syndrome is that it is under control now.  But when she was younger she had a much harder time.  That is when she needed a nebulizer for breathing treatments.  She has also been hospitalized more than once.  She needed more frequent monitoring when she was younger.  Ron was the one working back then supporting the family.  Crystal was the one that was a "stay at home mother".  It was her job to take the children to doctor's appointments and such.  Ronald's grandmother was available to take Crystal to appointments.  Crystal also had her own family in Satsuma who should have been available to take her if she needed rides.    

I wish you could read the custody documents so you could read what Crystal's attorney had to say.  Within 10 days of Ron getting custody, over the Christmas holiday, b/w Christmas and New Years, Crystal allegedly got a job, a car, a mortgage for a house in her name and a new boyfriend.  All in 10 days.  Crystal is not the mouse she wants people to think she is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms.peridot19:</p>
<p>You have a long post.  Let me try to hit on some of it. </p>
<p>Not all of the custody documents are online.  Keep in mind that this was a long custody case.  There are 2 links online that you can read.  Hm.  I just tried to get you the links &amp; it seems like the links to all the documents have been pulled offline.  Well I can tell you that Ron was not only awarded custody b/c of financial reasons.  Here is a screenshot I found online that shows Ron was awarded custody in part b/c of Crystal&#8217;&#8217;s lack of sustained contacted with the kids:</p>
<p><a href="http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/968/lackofsustainedcontact.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/968/lackofsustainedcontact.jpg</a></p>
<p>Here is another screenshot I found showing Crystal saying she didn&#8217;t want to get out of bed:</p>
<p><a href="http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5668/didntgetoutofbed.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5668/didntgetoutofbed.jpg</a></p>
<p>What you should understand about Haleigh&#8217;s Tuner Syndrome is that it is under control now.  But when she was younger she had a much harder time.  That is when she needed a nebulizer for breathing treatments.  She has also been hospitalized more than once.  She needed more frequent monitoring when she was younger.  Ron was the one working back then supporting the family.  Crystal was the one that was a &#8220;stay at home mother&#8221;.  It was her job to take the children to doctor&#8217;s appointments and such.  Ronald&#8217;s grandmother was available to take Crystal to appointments.  Crystal also had her own family in Satsuma who should have been available to take her if she needed rides.    </p>
<p>I wish you could read the custody documents so you could read what Crystal&#8217;s attorney had to say.  Within 10 days of Ron getting custody, over the Christmas holiday, b/w Christmas and New Years, Crystal allegedly got a job, a car, a mortgage for a house in her name and a new boyfriend.  All in 10 days.  Crystal is not the mouse she wants people to think she is.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing that bugs me is why ron lied? He keep telling nancy grace misty was at home! And then it come's out he had called her over 20 times and then called her brother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing that bugs me is why ron lied? He keep telling nancy grace misty was at home! And then it come&#8217;s out he had called her over 20 times and then called her brother?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well to night on nancy grace, mike said something that made perfect sense to me and that is give hank misty's brother a polly! 

Because when he went there that night if the door was unlocked he could have went and hid untill after misty went to bed, he could have set the hole thing up as far as the back door! Sound's like he had time?
 But also something eles bugs me about this and that is, if misty went to a party and haleigh got someone meds and took them and died she may have ask hank to help her, he came to her aid the night her and ron got into a fight!
 She called her family and ask them to come and get her, ron came out beating hank up and went to jail for it so that tells me they would her family come to aid misty that her brother cares about her!
 I wonder if she came in late put haleigh to bed went back checked on her because she knew she had taken some medication, maybe thats when she found haleigh dead and that she had wet on herself so she washed her blanket to wrap her in, dose anyone know if the blanket was still there?
 The caylee anthony case was going on at that time which could have gave them an idea to say someone came in and took her? 
She knew what time ron would get home and they had time to do something with her body! It might have been someone she was at the party with but i think a brother that knew ron would kill his sister would be willing to help her and keep her secret!! 
Give him polly!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well to night on nancy grace, mike said something that made perfect sense to me and that is give hank misty&#8217;s brother a polly! </p>
<p>Because when he went there that night if the door was unlocked he could have went and hid untill after misty went to bed, he could have set the hole thing up as far as the back door! Sound&#8217;s like he had time?<br />
 But also something eles bugs me about this and that is, if misty went to a party and haleigh got someone meds and took them and died she may have ask hank to help her, he came to her aid the night her and ron got into a fight!<br />
 She called her family and ask them to come and get her, ron came out beating hank up and went to jail for it so that tells me they would her family come to aid misty that her brother cares about her!<br />
 I wonder if she came in late put haleigh to bed went back checked on her because she knew she had taken some medication, maybe thats when she found haleigh dead and that she had wet on herself so she washed her blanket to wrap her in, dose anyone know if the blanket was still there?<br />
 The caylee anthony case was going on at that time which could have gave them an idea to say someone came in and took her?<br />
She knew what time ron would get home and they had time to do something with her body! It might have been someone she was at the party with but i think a brother that knew ron would kill his sister would be willing to help her and keep her secret!!<br />
Give him polly!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Karon Cox</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms.Peridot:

She isn't on meds at the present, according to Ron, except her Albuterol.  However, she has been in the hospital a number of times with pneumonia, I believe.  They had a hard time with her health when she was younger, but they said she had outgrown alot of it.  She still needs her nebulizer at times and her Albuterol. Turner Syndrome patients can turn critical very rapidly because they are prone to circulatoey problems, breathing problems, and kidney problems.  That is what has been said on TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms.Peridot:</p>
<p>She isn&#8217;t on meds at the present, according to Ron, except her Albuterol.  However, she has been in the hospital a number of times with pneumonia, I believe.  They had a hard time with her health when she was younger, but they said she had outgrown alot of it.  She still needs her nebulizer at times and her Albuterol. Turner Syndrome patients can turn critical very rapidly because they are prone to circulatoey problems, breathing problems, and kidney problems.  That is what has been said on TV.</p>
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		<title>By: treece</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ms peridot, I can see that it may not have been any more Crystals fault than Rons fault that Haleigh missed the doctor appts.  ALL of the adults in her life should have done better at keeping those appts. It could be an injustice to Crystal that she was blamed and it could be why she did not get custody.
My opinion is that regardless, Crystal must have felt like the kids were in a safe place and life was well for them or she surely would have been trying to keep her child support paid.  She was not only risking jail time by not paying but she could have risk losing visitations rights too.  I know money situations can be huge factors for all of us.  But if she thought Ron was a danger you would think that would have been a priority to pay so she was guaranteed visitation.  You would also think she would have been working on getting custody herself if she felt they were in danger. From my observation Crystal must have been ok with the arrangement of the kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ms peridot, I can see that it may not have been any more Crystals fault than Rons fault that Haleigh missed the doctor appts.  ALL of the adults in her life should have done better at keeping those appts. It could be an injustice to Crystal that she was blamed and it could be why she did not get custody.<br />
My opinion is that regardless, Crystal must have felt like the kids were in a safe place and life was well for them or she surely would have been trying to keep her child support paid.  She was not only risking jail time by not paying but she could have risk losing visitations rights too.  I know money situations can be huge factors for all of us.  But if she thought Ron was a danger you would think that would have been a priority to pay so she was guaranteed visitation.  You would also think she would have been working on getting custody herself if she felt they were in danger. From my observation Crystal must have been ok with the arrangement of the kids.</p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424953</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is there to exaggerate when clearly a child was not taken to the doctor while under her mother's care? 

Also, if it's true that Marie got her a car to take Haleigh to the doctor and she still didn't take her, then it shows where her priorities really are. 

Crystal has been caught placing false reports and lying as it is. It's really hard to believe someone who will go to any means to make others look bad instead of taking resposibilities for her own actions. 

IMO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is there to exaggerate when clearly a child was not taken to the doctor while under her mother&#8217;s care? </p>
<p>Also, if it&#8217;s true that Marie got her a car to take Haleigh to the doctor and she still didn&#8217;t take her, then it shows where her priorities really are. </p>
<p>Crystal has been caught placing false reports and lying as it is. It&#8217;s really hard to believe someone who will go to any means to make others look bad instead of taking resposibilities for her own actions. </p>
<p>IMO</p>
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		<title>By: Toughenough</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424948</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it centers aroun Ron, Haleigh is his daughter, it centers aroud him not out of guilt but rather relationship. He is at the center of this mess because he is most affected. I pray that his daughter will be returned soon, alive, &#38; healthy. I pray the perps are revealed quickly and justice be served (although I think we can all agree theres not a harsh enough punishment for this crime) MHO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it centers aroun Ron, Haleigh is his daughter, it centers aroud him not out of guilt but rather relationship. He is at the center of this mess because he is most affected. I pray that his daughter will be returned soon, alive, &amp; healthy. I pray the perps are revealed quickly and justice be served (although I think we can all agree theres not a harsh enough punishment for this crime) MHO</p>
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		<title>By: ms.peridot19</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello everyone,

errr!!! i tried to find the custody papers for haleigh and ronald jr. online so i could talk with some facts.  i cannot find them - i stink at looking things up!

some of you are talking about crystal not taking haleigh to her doctor's appointments.  i do believe ron said in court that crystal missed 12 doctor appointments???

i have noticed a number of times woman seemed to think this is proof that crystal should have lost custody of haleigh and junior.  maybe, this is correct if the facts are true.  i really don't know what the truth is here though.  i do beleive ronald has an arrest record  for drugs a few times?  i really doubt he was innocent or not guilty everytime.  i think he has his own credibilty issues. correct me if i am wrong, but did ronald say in court (during the custody hearing(s)) that he does not use drugs?  i believe crystal admitted in court to drug use and went for treatment for her drug issues. if the above is true, then to me crystal may be the more truthful person.  

i find it horrifing that it came down to money.   i believe the judged ruled ronald to get the children because of money.  i don't know what the judge was personally thinking, maybe, he had other reasons, but i believe that was the official ruling.  money and insurance for the children.  so it may have been a decision that was best for the state??  i hope not thouth!

about the missed doctor's appntmnts for haleigh.  i believe marie g. on camera said it was not that simple.  that it was not all crystal's fault abt missd appts.  (i am doing my best to remember what she said - i hope i get it right.)  something about the missed doctor's appointment's happened when crystal lived with ron sr.  that crystal did not have a driver's license for awhile due to r.c. sr. not wanting c.s. to have one.  that she had no transpertation.  and ronald sr. did have a driver's license.  so marie, herself, bought crystal a car so crystal could take haleigh to her appointment's and to have a car.  butttt,  due to crystal not having a driver's license and/or not being a legal adult at the time of purchase of the car, marie allowed  ronald to have his name on car.  then when crystal left ronald sr., ronald sr. refused(?) to let crystal have the car back even though they were apart and marie intended the car to be for crystal's use.  so now again she had issues of how to take haleigh to her appointments.

who to believe, but, it is relevant to me if marie is telling the truth.  if ronald really wanted haleigh to make her doctor's appntmnts, i think he could have found a way to see to it whether he took haleigh himself or saw to it some else did.  i think the same thing about crystal when she had a car and the money and haleigh to do so.  she should have made sure someone took her if she herself could not. but, of course things are rarely black and white.  if marie bought the car for crystal to take haleigh, at least she was trying to help, that way.  

i am not sure, but, i also am under the impression the doctor's appntmnts were to monitor haleigh's turner's synd.  i don't believe she was taking any medication for this, i believe it was a case of monitoring haleigh.

i don't mean to dismiss the fact haleigh should go to the doctor.  but, it seems some are exaggerating things to make a point.  they both are responsible for the missed appntmnts  if you ask me.  and ron has repeatedly said publicly haleigh only needs meds for her asthma.  (i did look up turner's awhile ago, i think treatment begins at puberty but, she really does need to be monitored, throughout childhood.  so of course this is a concern!)  i don't know if she missed appointments for general care and asthma? does anyone else know?

please correct me if i am wrong.  i really thought important to say we don't really know the whole truth about this, or at least i am not sure abt the whole truth.

also, if prev discussed i apologize, so many comments to read, i skimmed some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello everyone,</p>
<p>errr!!! i tried to find the custody papers for haleigh and ronald jr. online so i could talk with some facts.  i cannot find them - i stink at looking things up!</p>
<p>some of you are talking about crystal not taking haleigh to her doctor&#8217;s appointments.  i do believe ron said in court that crystal missed 12 doctor appointments???</p>
<p>i have noticed a number of times woman seemed to think this is proof that crystal should have lost custody of haleigh and junior.  maybe, this is correct if the facts are true.  i really don&#8217;t know what the truth is here though.  i do beleive ronald has an arrest record  for drugs a few times?  i really doubt he was innocent or not guilty everytime.  i think he has his own credibilty issues. correct me if i am wrong, but did ronald say in court (during the custody hearing(s)) that he does not use drugs?  i believe crystal admitted in court to drug use and went for treatment for her drug issues. if the above is true, then to me crystal may be the more truthful person.  </p>
<p>i find it horrifing that it came down to money.   i believe the judged ruled ronald to get the children because of money.  i don&#8217;t know what the judge was personally thinking, maybe, he had other reasons, but i believe that was the official ruling.  money and insurance for the children.  so it may have been a decision that was best for the state??  i hope not thouth!</p>
<p>about the missed doctor&#8217;s appntmnts for haleigh.  i believe marie g. on camera said it was not that simple.  that it was not all crystal&#8217;s fault abt missd appts.  (i am doing my best to remember what she said - i hope i get it right.)  something about the missed doctor&#8217;s appointment&#8217;s happened when crystal lived with ron sr.  that crystal did not have a driver&#8217;s license for awhile due to r.c. sr. not wanting c.s. to have one.  that she had no transpertation.  and ronald sr. did have a driver&#8217;s license.  so marie, herself, bought crystal a car so crystal could take haleigh to her appointment&#8217;s and to have a car.  butttt,  due to crystal not having a driver&#8217;s license and/or not being a legal adult at the time of purchase of the car, marie allowed  ronald to have his name on car.  then when crystal left ronald sr., ronald sr. refused(?) to let crystal have the car back even though they were apart and marie intended the car to be for crystal&#8217;s use.  so now again she had issues of how to take haleigh to her appointments.</p>
<p>who to believe, but, it is relevant to me if marie is telling the truth.  if ronald really wanted haleigh to make her doctor&#8217;s appntmnts, i think he could have found a way to see to it whether he took haleigh himself or saw to it some else did.  i think the same thing about crystal when she had a car and the money and haleigh to do so.  she should have made sure someone took her if she herself could not. but, of course things are rarely black and white.  if marie bought the car for crystal to take haleigh, at least she was trying to help, that way.  </p>
<p>i am not sure, but, i also am under the impression the doctor&#8217;s appntmnts were to monitor haleigh&#8217;s turner&#8217;s synd.  i don&#8217;t believe she was taking any medication for this, i believe it was a case of monitoring haleigh.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t mean to dismiss the fact haleigh should go to the doctor.  but, it seems some are exaggerating things to make a point.  they both are responsible for the missed appntmnts  if you ask me.  and ron has repeatedly said publicly haleigh only needs meds for her asthma.  (i did look up turner&#8217;s awhile ago, i think treatment begins at puberty but, she really does need to be monitored, throughout childhood.  so of course this is a concern!)  i don&#8217;t know if she missed appointments for general care and asthma? does anyone else know?</p>
<p>please correct me if i am wrong.  i really thought important to say we don&#8217;t really know the whole truth about this, or at least i am not sure abt the whole truth.</p>
<p>also, if prev discussed i apologize, so many comments to read, i skimmed some.</p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424946</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just 1 question. How is Crystal the wrong person? How is Ron the wrong person? How is Misty the wrong person? How are any of them the wrong person? 

How are any of the above listed the right person? 

NO ONE KNOWS!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just 1 question. How is Crystal the wrong person? How is Ron the wrong person? How is Misty the wrong person? How are any of them the wrong person? </p>
<p>How are any of the above listed the right person? </p>
<p>NO ONE KNOWS!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Karon Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424944</link>
		<dc:creator>Karon Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424944</guid>
		<description>Althea:

I agree that it centers around Ron, but I don't know how, just, yet.</description>
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<p>I agree that it centers around Ron, but I don&#8217;t know how, just, yet.</p>
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		<title>By: treece</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424943</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424943</guid>
		<description>Alethea, while M2c is working on his/her violence, backfiring and blowups would you please work on removing that boulder from your shoulder.  He/she is not against Crystal or you.
JMO of course. Treece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alethea, while M2c is working on his/her violence, backfiring and blowups would you please work on removing that boulder from your shoulder.  He/she is not against Crystal or you.<br />
JMO of course. Treece</p>
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		<title>By: alethea</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424937</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m2c, I guess it was looking to me like some people are just looking for reasons to pounce on Crystal. I've had enough of seeing people pick on the wrong person, like stepping on the fingers of the one hanging on the edge of the cliff. 

It sure looks like a case where so many people are looking for someone to hang. But they all have so much love, don't they. They are mad because Misty hasn't panned out. Well, I have one FINAL thing to say. It looks like you'll never  figure Misty if you don't figure Ron. The key to the key as it were. 

Have fun with your backfires and your blowups. 

All just my opinion of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m2c, I guess it was looking to me like some people are just looking for reasons to pounce on Crystal. I&#8217;ve had enough of seeing people pick on the wrong person, like stepping on the fingers of the one hanging on the edge of the cliff. </p>
<p>It sure looks like a case where so many people are looking for someone to hang. But they all have so much love, don&#8217;t they. They are mad because Misty hasn&#8217;t panned out. Well, I have one FINAL thing to say. It looks like you&#8217;ll never  figure Misty if you don&#8217;t figure Ron. The key to the key as it were. </p>
<p>Have fun with your backfires and your blowups. </p>
<p>All just my opinion of course.</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424926</link>
		<dc:creator>m2c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424926</guid>
		<description>Toughenough, I'm not sure but last I heard she's in school and really busy with lots of good things going on in her life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toughenough, I&#8217;m not sure but last I heard she&#8217;s in school and really busy with lots of good things going on in her life!</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424923</link>
		<dc:creator>m2c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424923</guid>
		<description>Toughenogh @ 8:51 - I agree! And PAW69 @ 8:50, too!
No one's all good and no one's all bad. The media sensationalizes everything. And then people take sides. It's way too early in this situation (IMO) to decide pretty much anything - certainly not things as important as who's the better parent or "who did it!" 
If we can discuss everything - pros and cons and all we know and how we interpret what we hear and know - we stand a better chance of figuring things out. That's why I enjoy being able to blog with you all about this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toughenogh @ 8:51 - I agree! And PAW69 @ 8:50, too!<br />
No one&#8217;s all good and no one&#8217;s all bad. The media sensationalizes everything. And then people take sides. It&#8217;s way too early in this situation (IMO) to decide pretty much anything - certainly not things as important as who&#8217;s the better parent or &#8220;who did it!&#8221;<br />
If we can discuss everything - pros and cons and all we know and how we interpret what we hear and know - we stand a better chance of figuring things out. That&#8217;s why I enjoy being able to blog with you all about this!</p>
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		<title>By: Toughenough</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424922</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I have to ask something off topic...I had to be away from computerland late May through June (my first GRANDbaby was born) and when I came back theres no Pickles; Paw or m2c do you know where shes at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I have to ask something off topic&#8230;I had to be away from computerland late May through June (my first GRANDbaby was born) and when I came back theres no Pickles; Paw or m2c do you know where shes at?</p>
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		<title>By: Karon Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424920</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, they said Misty was making up with her family.</description>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424917</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It probably is, because I can see she is right about 1 thing for sure, Her family will backstab each other in a red hot minute. 

IMO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It probably is, because I can see she is right about 1 thing for sure, Her family will backstab each other in a red hot minute. </p>
<p>IMO</p>
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		<title>By: Toughenough</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424916</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was also on NG that Misty is making amends with Tommy, boy I hope that's a ploy to get him talking, jmo.</description>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
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		<dc:creator>PAW69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karon, that's actually normal procedure now that they are divorced. It saves both of them from any further BS and Rumors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karon, that&#8217;s actually normal procedure now that they are divorced. It saves both of them from any further BS and Rumors.</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's very nice of you to say, Treece and PAW69.
And I don't mind if, after I've explained something, you still don't agree. That's okay. Keeps me thinking, too! I really don't want to be the "my way or the highway" kind of person.
I learn a heck of a lot from you all too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s very nice of you to say, Treece and PAW69.<br />
And I don&#8217;t mind if, after I&#8217;ve explained something, you still don&#8217;t agree. That&#8217;s okay. Keeps me thinking, too! I really don&#8217;t want to be the &#8220;my way or the highway&#8221; kind of person.<br />
I learn a heck of a lot from you all too.</p>
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		<title>By: Toughenough</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424910</link>
		<dc:creator>Toughenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m2c, I agree,there are so many turns and cross roads in this case anything could have possibly happened. The only one in my opinion that would absolutely surprise me if they were directly involved would be Ron, but I can see where he could be indirectly involved, I don't think he is (but you know, the company you keep type thing). I really don't think Misty can add any more to this case it is my opinion that she either slept through it or was drugged. And although Crystal has motive, I don't know if I really think she is guilty of more than being a poor example of a mother. I do however think Joe and Tommy also had motive and opportunity, jmo. But I also think there is a good possibility a SO did this. I can also admit when I'm wrong, just ask my hubby, before Susan Smith was suspected, I cried with her and my heart broke for both her and David, my husband said "that mother did something to her boys" and I scolded him, then he said look at her shes crying but there are no tears, I argued only to wake up to the big announcement the next day. But to get back to Haleigh it doesn't matter who hs the right theory as long as someone finds this little girl, there is way too much of this sort of thing going on. And way to many cheif-wanna-be's in the tribe. I no longer live in Florida so all I can do is theorize, pray, and mention her everywhere I go. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong in theory just that one of the theories leads us to her.  
Treece,(8:29pm post) I agree!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m2c, I agree,there are so many turns and cross roads in this case anything could have possibly happened. The only one in my opinion that would absolutely surprise me if they were directly involved would be Ron, but I can see where he could be indirectly involved, I don&#8217;t think he is (but you know, the company you keep type thing). I really don&#8217;t think Misty can add any more to this case it is my opinion that she either slept through it or was drugged. And although Crystal has motive, I don&#8217;t know if I really think she is guilty of more than being a poor example of a mother. I do however think Joe and Tommy also had motive and opportunity, jmo. But I also think there is a good possibility a SO did this. I can also admit when I&#8217;m wrong, just ask my hubby, before Susan Smith was suspected, I cried with her and my heart broke for both her and David, my husband said &#8220;that mother did something to her boys&#8221; and I scolded him, then he said look at her shes crying but there are no tears, I argued only to wake up to the big announcement the next day. But to get back to Haleigh it doesn&#8217;t matter who hs the right theory as long as someone finds this little girl, there is way too much of this sort of thing going on. And way to many cheif-wanna-be&#8217;s in the tribe. I no longer live in Florida so all I can do is theorize, pray, and mention her everywhere I go. It doesn&#8217;t matter who is right or wrong in theory just that one of the theories leads us to her.<br />
Treece,(8:29pm post) I agree!</p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424909</link>
		<dc:creator>PAW69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424909</guid>
		<description>I've said this before, The Media tends to only show the bad sides in people involved in anything. They NEVER show the good sides of anyone. So right away we have already made up our minds because of the bad things that we saw from the Media. That's why I have said, before any of this happened remember this, Ron WAS at work, He DID have his own home and he DID have custody of his children and was probably trying to make a better life for his kids and himself, and BOOM!, in 1 night, it was all taken away from him. 

But!, Due to the media, Ron is shown as a pedophile druggie with no life. BAM! he's a low life. 

YET, none of us were there to say yes or no about whether Ron was trying to better his life. It's very hard to do that anyways in a town like that obviously. Because it seems most everyone there is druggies, alcoholics, and having sex with everything that moves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said this before, The Media tends to only show the bad sides in people involved in anything. They NEVER show the good sides of anyone. So right away we have already made up our minds because of the bad things that we saw from the Media. That&#8217;s why I have said, before any of this happened remember this, Ron WAS at work, He DID have his own home and he DID have custody of his children and was probably trying to make a better life for his kids and himself, and BOOM!, in 1 night, it was all taken away from him. </p>
<p>But!, Due to the media, Ron is shown as a pedophile druggie with no life. BAM! he&#8217;s a low life. </p>
<p>YET, none of us were there to say yes or no about whether Ron was trying to better his life. It&#8217;s very hard to do that anyways in a town like that obviously. Because it seems most everyone there is druggies, alcoholics, and having sex with everything that moves.</p>
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		<title>By: Karon Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424907</link>
		<dc:creator>Karon Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424907</guid>
		<description>Did any of you see the Nancy Grace show tonight?  Ronald and Misty's divorce is final, and Misty's lawyer has notified Ron's lawyer not to talk to Misty at all unless her lawyer is present.  They said Misty is with relatives in an unknown place.  This sounds to me like Misty might possibly be talking.  I certainly hope so.

Misty's mother is out of jail.  They are saying she didn't tell LE anything new, but I  doubt that.  You know they had to reduce that bail before she could get out.

Misty and her lawyer must have made up, because he is representing her, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did any of you see the Nancy Grace show tonight?  Ronald and Misty&#8217;s divorce is final, and Misty&#8217;s lawyer has notified Ron&#8217;s lawyer not to talk to Misty at all unless her lawyer is present.  They said Misty is with relatives in an unknown place.  This sounds to me like Misty might possibly be talking.  I certainly hope so.</p>
<p>Misty&#8217;s mother is out of jail.  They are saying she didn&#8217;t tell LE anything new, but I  doubt that.  You know they had to reduce that bail before she could get out.</p>
<p>Misty and her lawyer must have made up, because he is representing her, again.</p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424906</guid>
		<description>Let me tell ya. It took a long time for me to throw Casey under the bus and then I flip flopped a lot about Cindy and George. Well when actual facts came out that would be hard for the defense to argue, I looked closer, waited a little longer, then Casey put her foot in her own mouth. Cindy and George made it easy for me, they threw themselves under the bus on their own. But M2C would explain step by step, piece by piece if needed, to show me what I was actually missing in the whole ordeal. M2C is very logical and explains things very easy for you if you don't understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me tell ya. It took a long time for me to throw Casey under the bus and then I flip flopped a lot about Cindy and George. Well when actual facts came out that would be hard for the defense to argue, I looked closer, waited a little longer, then Casey put her foot in her own mouth. Cindy and George made it easy for me, they threw themselves under the bus on their own. But M2C would explain step by step, piece by piece if needed, to show me what I was actually missing in the whole ordeal. M2C is very logical and explains things very easy for you if you don&#8217;t understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424903</link>
		<dc:creator>m2c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424903</guid>
		<description>Treece - Thank you! I'm going to have to hit the dictionary to be sure I know what "violent" means and see how it relates to my 7:12 post! LOL! 

PAW69 - Exactly! That's what we're here for! To share ideas and theories and what little information we have. We don't have to agree all the time. It would kind of be scary if we did. And I don't think it would be good for the investigation if we already had our minds made up either. I mean on what basis could we possibly make up our minds for or against anyone in this mess of characters! 

Plus, no one is perfect. So there are probably good and bad things about every single person involved in this case including those who became involved later. NO ONE IS PERFECT! That kind of attitude reminds me of the kind of mother who would say "MY child would never do that!" when the neighbor saw him with her very own eyes.
Who ends up suffering? The child. Because the mom never acknowledged or accepted that he could do any wrong. That's totally unrealistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Treece - Thank you! I&#8217;m going to have to hit the dictionary to be sure I know what &#8220;violent&#8221; means and see how it relates to my 7:12 post! LOL! </p>
<p>PAW69 - Exactly! That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re here for! To share ideas and theories and what little information we have. We don&#8217;t have to agree all the time. It would kind of be scary if we did. And I don&#8217;t think it would be good for the investigation if we already had our minds made up either. I mean on what basis could we possibly make up our minds for or against anyone in this mess of characters! </p>
<p>Plus, no one is perfect. So there are probably good and bad things about every single person involved in this case including those who became involved later. NO ONE IS PERFECT! That kind of attitude reminds me of the kind of mother who would say &#8220;MY child would never do that!&#8221; when the neighbor saw him with her very own eyes.<br />
Who ends up suffering? The child. Because the mom never acknowledged or accepted that he could do any wrong. That&#8217;s totally unrealistic.</p>
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		<title>By: treece</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424901</link>
		<dc:creator>treece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424901</guid>
		<description>PAW69 I agree in order for us all to enjoy this we must agree to disagree sometimes.  I also, like hearing other's views and sometimes they have changed the way I was thinking just by presenting it from a different angle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAW69 I agree in order for us all to enjoy this we must agree to disagree sometimes.  I also, like hearing other&#8217;s views and sometimes they have changed the way I was thinking just by presenting it from a different angle.</p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424900</link>
		<dc:creator>PAW69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424900</guid>
		<description>LOL Poor M2C... We use you for our examples in debates lol. I've posted with you since the Casey case. So I know how our dicussions can get. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Poor M2C&#8230; We use you for our examples in debates lol. I&#8217;ve posted with you since the Casey case. So I know how our dicussions can get. <img src='http://www.bloggernews.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424897</link>
		<dc:creator>PAW69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424897</guid>
		<description>We have to move on and look at other possibilities and other people in this situation. After 8 months of nothing, One has to wonder if LE and others are looking in the wrong direction. 

Last I knew, we were able to have our own opinions and our own way of thinking as long as we didn't bash each other when discussing it. 

Sometimes I feel just because I don't see things one way or the other or I have different theories for different people, I'm forced to feel like I'm in the wrong. 

I shouldn't have to be pushed in 1 decision or another. 

No one knows anything at this point, 8 months later. So what's wrong with exploring other avenues, ya know. 

For Example: I don't always agree with M2C. But M2C also has some theories or ideas to really think about and consider. Will I change my mind? Probably not lol. But it may be something I may consider listening to and looking closer at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to move on and look at other possibilities and other people in this situation. After 8 months of nothing, One has to wonder if LE and others are looking in the wrong direction. </p>
<p>Last I knew, we were able to have our own opinions and our own way of thinking as long as we didn&#8217;t bash each other when discussing it. </p>
<p>Sometimes I feel just because I don&#8217;t see things one way or the other or I have different theories for different people, I&#8217;m forced to feel like I&#8217;m in the wrong. </p>
<p>I shouldn&#8217;t have to be pushed in 1 decision or another. </p>
<p>No one knows anything at this point, 8 months later. So what&#8217;s wrong with exploring other avenues, ya know. </p>
<p>For Example: I don&#8217;t always agree with M2C. But M2C also has some theories or ideas to really think about and consider. Will I change my mind? Probably not lol. But it may be something I may consider listening to and looking closer at.</p>
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		<title>By: treece</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424896</link>
		<dc:creator>treece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424896</guid>
		<description>Karon cox, I agreed it was Ron's fault Haleigh missed school, that was the point I was making was that Crystal had the kids every other Sat &#38; Sun. she wouldn't have had them on school days.
Just FYI, Treece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karon cox, I agreed it was Ron&#8217;s fault Haleigh missed school, that was the point I was making was that Crystal had the kids every other Sat &amp; Sun. she wouldn&#8217;t have had them on school days.<br />
Just FYI, Treece</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424895</link>
		<dc:creator>m2c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424895</guid>
		<description>Karon, thank you. I'm not taking a stand against OR FOR any of these people either. LOL! That's what's so funny! But apparently mentioning one questionable thing is just not acceptable to some people.

BTW, Alethea, when I said "some reason we don't know about" could be anything from a flat tire, to no transportation at all to any of many legitimate reasons. I'm afraid you're so intent on blasting people who MIGHT be putting Crystal down that you're missing people who are NOT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karon, thank you. I&#8217;m not taking a stand against OR FOR any of these people either. LOL! That&#8217;s what&#8217;s so funny! But apparently mentioning one questionable thing is just not acceptable to some people.</p>
<p>BTW, Alethea, when I said &#8220;some reason we don&#8217;t know about&#8221; could be anything from a flat tire, to no transportation at all to any of many legitimate reasons. I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;re so intent on blasting people who MIGHT be putting Crystal down that you&#8217;re missing people who are NOT!</p>
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		<title>By: treece</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424892</link>
		<dc:creator>treece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424892</guid>
		<description>I want to say I have blogged with M2C many times. We have debated, so to speak, on a number of things we didn't agree on but I have never seen M2C react violently on anything.  I also have seen him defend Ron, Misty, and Crystal when someone was really going off on speculations with nothing to base it on.  One of the reasons I always like M2Cs comments is they seem to stay so level headed &#38; balanced. I think you must be misunderstanding something.
JMO thanks, Treece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to say I have blogged with M2C many times. We have debated, so to speak, on a number of things we didn&#8217;t agree on but I have never seen M2C react violently on anything.  I also have seen him defend Ron, Misty, and Crystal when someone was really going off on speculations with nothing to base it on.  One of the reasons I always like M2Cs comments is they seem to stay so level headed &amp; balanced. I think you must be misunderstanding something.<br />
JMO thanks, Treece</p>
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		<title>By: Karon Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424891</link>
		<dc:creator>Karon Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424891</guid>
		<description>I am not taking a stand against any of these people, because so many differnt things could have happened.  Haleigh has a very serious disorder, and had critical problems when she was younger.  That was what was so critical about Crystal taking her to her doctor appointments.  That went against her in court during the custody hearing.  These doctor appointments were missed before Ron got custody when Haleigh was 2 yrs. old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not taking a stand against any of these people, because so many differnt things could have happened.  Haleigh has a very serious disorder, and had critical problems when she was younger.  That was what was so critical about Crystal taking her to her doctor appointments.  That went against her in court during the custody hearing.  These doctor appointments were missed before Ron got custody when Haleigh was 2 yrs. old.</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424889</link>
		<dc:creator>m2c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424889</guid>
		<description>Thank you, Toughenough. 
Some people go ballistic when just one negative thing or opinion is expressed about some people (more than just Crystal).
And that's the "polarizing" kind of thing that puts an end all "thinking" and all real debate, discussion or investigation. 
Haleigh is not going to be found by choosing up sides, sticking to them no matter what (the "my guy can do no wrong" attitude) and battling it out on a blog. It's ridiculous</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Toughenough.<br />
Some people go ballistic when just one negative thing or opinion is expressed about some people (more than just Crystal).<br />
And that&#8217;s the &#8220;polarizing&#8221; kind of thing that puts an end all &#8220;thinking&#8221; and all real debate, discussion or investigation.<br />
Haleigh is not going to be found by choosing up sides, sticking to them no matter what (the &#8220;my guy can do no wrong&#8221; attitude) and battling it out on a blog. It&#8217;s ridiculous</p>
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		<title>By: Toughenough</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424885</link>
		<dc:creator>Toughenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424885</guid>
		<description>Where was Misty raised, Satsuma area, Tennessee or somewhere else? Just curious.</description>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424884</link>
		<dc:creator>PAW69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424884</guid>
		<description>Each state is different. I know when my kids were sick in Kindergarten, I went to the school to get the activities they did that day and the next day if needed. They gave me worksheets for them to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each state is different. I know when my kids were sick in Kindergarten, I went to the school to get the activities they did that day and the next day if needed. They gave me worksheets for them to do.</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424883</link>
		<dc:creator>m2c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424883</guid>
		<description>PAW69 - At 5 wouldn't Haleigh have been in kindergarten?  Not sure how much homework there is there. But as I said earlier, given the characters we know about in that area it looks like a lot of parents aren't too worried about their kids going to school at any age (Misty's Mom is one example)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAW69 - At 5 wouldn&#8217;t Haleigh have been in kindergarten?  Not sure how much homework there is there. But as I said earlier, given the characters we know about in that area it looks like a lot of parents aren&#8217;t too worried about their kids going to school at any age (Misty&#8217;s Mom is one example)</p>
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		<title>By: Toughenough</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424882</link>
		<dc:creator>Toughenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424882</guid>
		<description>Why are we arguing, Crystal obvously was not a fit parent or she would have custody of her children!!! And I lived in Florida my entire life (yes, an original Florida Cracker), it's not easy for a man to get custody from the mother in the great state of Florida, there has to be extenuating circumstances. So no need to argue about what kind of mother she was, a judge already ruled on that one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we arguing, Crystal obvously was not a fit parent or she would have custody of her children!!! And I lived in Florida my entire life (yes, an original Florida Cracker), it&#8217;s not easy for a man to get custody from the mother in the great state of Florida, there has to be extenuating circumstances. So no need to argue about what kind of mother she was, a judge already ruled on that one!</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
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		<dc:creator>m2c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good gracious, again, Alethea! @ your 7:24 pm. I just heard about the wrong address thing the other day. (Ron had some papers delivered to the wrong address or something?) I've never given it a thought. Never commented on it. Have no interest in it. I have stated over and over again that I do not favor Ron, Crystal or Misty.
And I just wrote today that I tend not to think that Crystal was involved (although friends or relations might be). I don't know why you are jumping all over me about this. I think you've got me confused with someone else. 

And just for future reference, remember Shakespeare's line, "Methinks she doth protest too much!"  In other words, going overboard in defending someone (especially from a minor, negative opinion) can backfire big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good gracious, again, Alethea! @ your 7:24 pm. I just heard about the wrong address thing the other day. (Ron had some papers delivered to the wrong address or something?) I&#8217;ve never given it a thought. Never commented on it. Have no interest in it. I have stated over and over again that I do not favor Ron, Crystal or Misty.<br />
And I just wrote today that I tend not to think that Crystal was involved (although friends or relations might be). I don&#8217;t know why you are jumping all over me about this. I think you&#8217;ve got me confused with someone else. </p>
<p>And just for future reference, remember Shakespeare&#8217;s line, &#8220;Methinks she doth protest too much!&#8221;  In other words, going overboard in defending someone (especially from a minor, negative opinion) can backfire big time.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424878</guid>
		<description>BTW, I want to say this too. When Haleigh was missing school, Did Ron or Misty or TN or anyone else go get any homework for her so she wouldn't fall behind in school? Because if no one did, then he's just as bad as Crystal for not taking Haleigh to her appointments. Both issues are extremely important for children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I want to say this too. When Haleigh was missing school, Did Ron or Misty or TN or anyone else go get any homework for her so she wouldn&#8217;t fall behind in school? Because if no one did, then he&#8217;s just as bad as Crystal for not taking Haleigh to her appointments. Both issues are extremely important for children.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424876</guid>
		<description>alethea! My "immediate and violent reaction?"  Good grief! What was violent about it? I was describing various reasons people have for not going to doctors and saying that when they have a reason they might tell someone. Also, I would not assume that any reason I've ever heard of was Crystal's reason. I don't think it's a good idea to assume/imagine what Crystal's reason was (if she had a reason). Good gracious! 

The fact that my response was fairly soon after your comment was only because I'd just sat down to catch up on the blog and tend to read from the newest back and saw yours and responded. I had not been here until right after you posted. 

Alethea, yes, if asking Crystal why she missed a dozen of Haleigh's doctor's appointments is an example of what "she was up against in court" then I can only hope that is correct. A court would be remiss if she was not asked about that.
Wouldn't you agree that Crystal would deserve a chance to explain it?

I was only giving examples of the many reasons some people have for not going to the doctor and saying that I would not assume/imagine that any one of them was someone else's reason. Why make up stuff when we don't know? 

Would I be correct in assuming that any potentially possible maybe negative or even not so good comment regarding or about or in relation to Crystal is not acceptable to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alethea! My &#8220;immediate and violent reaction?&#8221;  Good grief! What was violent about it? I was describing various reasons people have for not going to doctors and saying that when they have a reason they might tell someone. Also, I would not assume that any reason I&#8217;ve ever heard of was Crystal&#8217;s reason. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good idea to assume/imagine what Crystal&#8217;s reason was (if she had a reason). Good gracious! </p>
<p>The fact that my response was fairly soon after your comment was only because I&#8217;d just sat down to catch up on the blog and tend to read from the newest back and saw yours and responded. I had not been here until right after you posted. </p>
<p>Alethea, yes, if asking Crystal why she missed a dozen of Haleigh&#8217;s doctor&#8217;s appointments is an example of what &#8220;she was up against in court&#8221; then I can only hope that is correct. A court would be remiss if she was not asked about that.<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t you agree that Crystal would deserve a chance to explain it?</p>
<p>I was only giving examples of the many reasons some people have for not going to the doctor and saying that I would not assume/imagine that any one of them was someone else&#8217;s reason. Why make up stuff when we don&#8217;t know? </p>
<p>Would I be correct in assuming that any potentially possible maybe negative or even not so good comment regarding or about or in relation to Crystal is not acceptable to you?</p>
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		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424875</link>
		<dc:creator>PAW69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could type all the medical problems me and both my kids have. But #1, there isn't enough room here, #2 it's very intense. 

The point is, when you have a child/ren, they are 1st and fore most #1 in EVERYTHING. There are no excuses for not being able to take them to the doctor, or having the other parent take them or even a relative take them. NO EXCUSES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could type all the medical problems me and both my kids have. But #1, there isn&#8217;t enough room here, #2 it&#8217;s very intense. </p>
<p>The point is, when you have a child/ren, they are 1st and fore most #1 in EVERYTHING. There are no excuses for not being able to take them to the doctor, or having the other parent take them or even a relative take them. NO EXCUSES.</p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424873</link>
		<dc:creator>PAW69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PTSD,,, poor excuse. 

I have Severe PTSD and it DOES NOT STOP me from getting my kids to their appointments, PERIOD!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PTSD,,, poor excuse. </p>
<p>I have Severe PTSD and it DOES NOT STOP me from getting my kids to their appointments, PERIOD!!!</p>
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		<title>By: alethea</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424871</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424871</guid>
		<description>Paws? A person on their deathbed just might have a better chance of making that appointment than someone with certain conditions (such as severe PTSD.) 

Oh, just my opinion, of course. 

I'm done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paws? A person on their deathbed just might have a better chance of making that appointment than someone with certain conditions (such as severe PTSD.) </p>
<p>Oh, just my opinion, of course. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: alethea</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424870</link>
		<dc:creator>alethea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424870</guid>
		<description>m2c, some reason we don't know about? What do you mean? People who don't believe (as a matter of religion) in using doctors (meaning allopathic medicine) don't wind up with a drug problem. Duh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m2c, some reason we don&#8217;t know about? What do you mean? People who don&#8217;t believe (as a matter of religion) in using doctors (meaning allopathic medicine) don&#8217;t wind up with a drug problem. Duh.</p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424868</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424868</guid>
		<description>Wrong Address Scenario can mean a few things. 2 come to mind right now. Either she purposely gave the wrong address or she moves around way too much. But that's just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong Address Scenario can mean a few things. 2 come to mind right now. Either she purposely gave the wrong address or she moves around way too much. But that&#8217;s just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424867</guid>
		<description>BTW, I'm "country people" and have no problem with doctors. If I run into a disagreement or issue with a doctor, I simply go through the tasks to get a new one if need be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I&#8217;m &#8220;country people&#8221; and have no problem with doctors. If I run into a disagreement or issue with a doctor, I simply go through the tasks to get a new one if need be.</p>
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		<title>By: alethea</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424866</link>
		<dc:creator>alethea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424866</guid>
		<description>Oh, also to m2c, If you hunt around on the internet I'm sure you will find plenty of horror stories with the "wrong address" scenario Crystal is claiming when the custody suit begins. Do you actually live in Florida?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, also to m2c, If you hunt around on the internet I&#8217;m sure you will find plenty of horror stories with the &#8220;wrong address&#8221; scenario Crystal is claiming when the custody suit begins. Do you actually live in Florida?</p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424865</guid>
		<description>When you have children, you make sure they go to the doctor. When you have children with disabilities, you do everything to make sure you don't miss an appointment unless your on your death bed. JMHO 

I know some things can come up, But not each and every time. Not like this. IMO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you have children, you make sure they go to the doctor. When you have children with disabilities, you do everything to make sure you don&#8217;t miss an appointment unless your on your death bed. JMHO </p>
<p>I know some things can come up, But not each and every time. Not like this. IMO</p>
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		<title>By: alethea</title>
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		<dc:creator>alethea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424864</guid>
		<description>oh, m2c, was she with Ronald when all these appointments were missed? That would be very significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, m2c, was she with Ronald when all these appointments were missed? That would be very significant.</p>
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		<title>By: alethea</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424863</link>
		<dc:creator>alethea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424863</guid>
		<description>m2c I am not referring to religious beliefs, just attitudes. Your immediate and violent reaction is possibly an example of what Crystal was up against in court. Personally, I think she has been in bad shape and just can't cope. What I am seeing is something that just doesn't happen to a person overnight. 

In my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m2c I am not referring to religious beliefs, just attitudes. Your immediate and violent reaction is possibly an example of what Crystal was up against in court. Personally, I think she has been in bad shape and just can&#8217;t cope. What I am seeing is something that just doesn&#8217;t happen to a person overnight. </p>
<p>In my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424862</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424862</guid>
		<description>Also, I don't think it's a good idea to lump people into general categories like "country" and then ascribe certain tendencies to them. It's generalizing and stereotyping. I know plenty of "country" people - just like anybody else - who go don't mind and/or actually appreciate going to doctors. 

I guess the best way to put it is MAYBE Crystal had some reason for not doing it and we don't know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good idea to lump people into general categories like &#8220;country&#8221; and then ascribe certain tendencies to them. It&#8217;s generalizing and stereotyping. I know plenty of &#8220;country&#8221; people - just like anybody else - who go don&#8217;t mind and/or actually appreciate going to doctors. </p>
<p>I guess the best way to put it is MAYBE Crystal had some reason for not doing it and we don&#8217;t know it.</p>
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		<title>By: PAW69</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424861</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424861</guid>
		<description>Hmmm, So let me get this straight. Because some of us are moving on to other possible motives and theories, We are Crystal haters??? WOW! Alrighty then. 

Well, They have gotten nowhere for 8 months. They have cleared way too many people way too quickly. They need to look closer on Crystal's side of the world and dig deeper and see what they may or may not find. 

"Crystal haters" is a little harsh, especially since LE hasn't even looked into them obviously. 

IMO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, So let me get this straight. Because some of us are moving on to other possible motives and theories, We are Crystal haters??? WOW! Alrighty then. </p>
<p>Well, They have gotten nowhere for 8 months. They have cleared way too many people way too quickly. They need to look closer on Crystal&#8217;s side of the world and dig deeper and see what they may or may not find. </p>
<p>&#8220;Crystal haters&#8221; is a little harsh, especially since LE hasn&#8217;t even looked into them obviously. </p>
<p>IMO</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424860</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424860</guid>
		<description>There have been several recent news stories about parents whose religious beliefs prevented them from letting their children see doctors but I certainly won't ascribe that reason/excuse to Crystal just because I've heard of it. 

(BTW, those parents explained their reasons and both children died as a result). 

I think when people have certain beliefs about doctors (and similar things) they tell people - whether it's religion, or cost, or no faith in doctors. They tell people!

Anyway, I sure would like to hear from Crystal herself why she missed so many of Haleigh's appointments. I guess that happened pretty long ago and may have come up in the custody hearings if it was ever discussed, so if anything was ever said about it, I guess it would be in those records. No use asking now (since we've just given her a choice of two reasons to pick from).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been several recent news stories about parents whose religious beliefs prevented them from letting their children see doctors but I certainly won&#8217;t ascribe that reason/excuse to Crystal just because I&#8217;ve heard of it. </p>
<p>(BTW, those parents explained their reasons and both children died as a result). </p>
<p>I think when people have certain beliefs about doctors (and similar things) they tell people - whether it&#8217;s religion, or cost, or no faith in doctors. They tell people!</p>
<p>Anyway, I sure would like to hear from Crystal herself why she missed so many of Haleigh&#8217;s appointments. I guess that happened pretty long ago and may have come up in the custody hearings if it was ever discussed, so if anything was ever said about it, I guess it would be in those records. No use asking now (since we&#8217;ve just given her a choice of two reasons to pick from).</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424856</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424856</guid>
		<description>I hear what you're saying, Linda. But I think the quote you used speaks more about the "wonderful husband-to-be" (not)!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear what you&#8217;re saying, Linda. But I think the quote you used speaks more about the &#8220;wonderful husband-to-be&#8221; (not)!  <img src='http://www.bloggernews.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: alethea</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424855</guid>
		<description>Karon, It seems from what i have observed that a great many "country" people simply do not take stock in doctors. I knew one who would not go unless he was falling on the floor, and someone picked him up and took him.It may be a cultural thing.I wouldn't make too much of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karon, It seems from what i have observed that a great many &#8220;country&#8221; people simply do not take stock in doctors. I knew one who would not go unless he was falling on the floor, and someone picked him up and took him.It may be a cultural thing.I wouldn&#8217;t make too much of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424853</guid>
		<description>Oh, and did you hear what a good father he was, right! I think we all heard the truth when he said, How could you let my child get stole, BITCH!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and did you hear what a good father he was, right! I think we all heard the truth when he said, How could you let my child get stole, BITCH!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Karon Cox</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424840</guid>
		<description>Treece:
What I was trying to say earlier was that Crystal missed a bunch of doctor visits for Haleigh before she was two yrs. old. That was part of the reason she lost custody.  Ron got custody of her when she was 2 yrs old and, he is responsible for her missing so much school. I heard Ronald on a NG interview saying this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Treece:<br />
What I was trying to say earlier was that Crystal missed a bunch of doctor visits for Haleigh before she was two yrs. old. That was part of the reason she lost custody.  Ron got custody of her when she was 2 yrs old and, he is responsible for her missing so much school. I heard Ronald on a NG interview saying this.</p>
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		<title>By: m2c</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424817</guid>
		<description>More applause Texasgg. I agree!

I do not hate Crystal and I tend to think she was not involved. HOWEVER, there are a LOT of people around her -  relations, friends, acquaintemces - who might be worth some serious checking in to. One of them could be involved and she might not even know. Same goes for Misty and her "clan" of family, friends and acquaintances. And then there's everyone else!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More applause Texasgg. I agree!</p>
<p>I do not hate Crystal and I tend to think she was not involved. HOWEVER, there are a LOT of people around her -  relations, friends, acquaintemces - who might be worth some serious checking in to. One of them could be involved and she might not even know. Same goes for Misty and her &#8220;clan&#8221; of family, friends and acquaintances. And then there&#8217;s everyone else!</p>
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		<title>By: treece</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424815</guid>
		<description>J, I agree there are a number of good men that have custody of their children and sacrifice much of their life to do so.  It is not easy by any means. I also, know of a few who have taken custody for wrong reasons.  Men &#38; women alike can do it with the best or worst of motives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J, I agree there are a number of good men that have custody of their children and sacrifice much of their life to do so.  It is not easy by any means. I also, know of a few who have taken custody for wrong reasons.  Men &amp; women alike can do it with the best or worst of motives.</p>
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		<title>By: skywise</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424812</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424812</guid>
		<description>yeah...what J said.  You go ahead J, I'm just going to sit over hear &#38; quietly bang my head on the desk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah&#8230;what J said.  You go ahead J, I&#8217;m just going to sit over hear &amp; quietly bang my head on the desk.</p>
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		<title>By: alethea</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424810</guid>
		<description>Mariesilk, appreciate your earlier post re Crystal's possible motives. Funny how the only real theory that works in any way of Crystal's involvement is that she cared about the kids. So much for the Crystal-haters. Wonder who they really are anyway.

Frankly, I think the side-shows some complain about as "diverting attention from the search" are probably what's going to break the case -- IF it gets solved. 

Unfortunately, Sunny may be right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mariesilk, appreciate your earlier post re Crystal&#8217;s possible motives. Funny how the only real theory that works in any way of Crystal&#8217;s involvement is that she cared about the kids. So much for the Crystal-haters. Wonder who they really are anyway.</p>
<p>Frankly, I think the side-shows some complain about as &#8220;diverting attention from the search&#8221; are probably what&#8217;s going to break the case &#8212; IF it gets solved. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, Sunny may be right.</p>
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		<title>By: treece</title>
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		<dc:creator>treece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122637#comment-1424805</guid>
		<description>Texasgg- clap, clap, clap, I am applauding you, don't apologize for the rant, it is all true.  I also do not hate Crystal, Misty, or Ronald. But I hate what has happened to Haleigh and EVERYONE should be checked out that could have done this.
I also agree that place sounds like a modern day Sodom &#38; Gomorrah.  What a twisted place.  At the same time I have compassion on all 3 of them. Ron &#38; Crystal for their child missing, Misty for it happening on her watch and all the crap that has come against them.  If they are innocent they have been dealt some rough blows that they didn't deserve.  If they are guilty I pray the truth comes out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texasgg- clap, clap, clap, I am applauding you, don&#8217;t apologize for the rant, it is all true.  I also do not hate Crystal, Misty, or Ronald. But I hate what has happened to Haleigh and EVERYONE should be checked out that could have done this.<br />
I also agree that place sounds like a modern day Sodom &amp; Gomorrah.  What a twisted place.  At the same time I have compassion on all 3 of them. Ron &amp; Crystal for their child missing, Misty for it happening on her watch and all the crap that has come against them.  If they are innocent they have been dealt some rough blows that they didn&#8217;t deserve.  If they are guilty I pray the truth comes out.</p>
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		<title>By: texasgoldengirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alethea said,in October 16th, 2009 at 2:44 pm texasgoldengirl, yes $12,000 and looming jail-time sounds like a lot of motive but when you think about how much it would cost in money and other resources to hide a child…. A child with medical problems and a webbed neck? 

And I really don’t think any serious person would accuse her of killing the child, would they? Not even the most avid Crystal-haters, you would think.
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let me first of all say that I am not a Cyrtal-hater, but the fact is there's a lot of motive there.  That's just a fact.  Just like it's a fact that Misty was babysitting when Haleigh went missing.  There is also motive that she may not have thought Misty was an adequate caretaker and her belief that ron left bruises on Haleigh's face once....combined with a horrendous, ever increasing debt. Motive and lots of it.

The nebulizer being missing points to the possibility that whoever took the child cares about the child and wants her properly cared for.  That is why one of the things that infuriates me the most is that I can almost bet you that the FBI has NOT contacted the American Medical Association and asked them to contact every Endoctrinologist's office in the entire United States and asked them to do a google search for a picture of Haleigh to see if she is being treated in their office.

Why do I believe they haven't done that?  For the same reason the police did not respond to a call (years ago) from some woman who lived by the Garrido's claiming that a convicted sex offender had children living in his backyard!!!  The police went out and questioned him in his front yard, and did not even go into the backyard where his kidnap victim lived with her two children.

It's like they have this memorized rote routine that they go through.  They assume after so many hours that the child is in all probability dead.

And finding Shawn Hornbeck, Elizabeth Smart, and now Jaycee Duggard who were not dead but forced to live in hell...has taught them nothing. They are really THAT STUPID or that unwilling to admit they need to make some serious changes when it comes to looking for missing children.

They need to wake up and smell the coffee and realize that the child is not always dead and start re-thinking their response and act accordingly.

And the thing that bugs me the most is the fact that all the sex offenders in the area have not been thoroughly investigated.  I realize that police don't have the resources to do that themselves, but they just ARRESTED SOMEONE FOR CUFFING A SEX OFFENDER.

And this is not about liking or disliking Cobra.  It doesn't matter if he is a total jerk or a good hearted saint.  The fact is the wrong person got thrown in jail that day and that's a FACT!

In a perfect world, every citizen would be instantly deputized when a child went missing and regular members of the community could go around knocking on the doors of sex offenders telling them to step aside, they are going to have their house and property searched.

In a less than perfect world for crying out loud don't arrest a licenced bond agent who is actually authorized to arrest someone who is violating their parole by continually hanging around children.

Misty, misty, misty.  That's all LE in Satsuma can think of.  They must dream of tearing her limb from limb as they fall asleep each night, but the convicted sex offender that lives across the pond, with the boat in front of his house was eliminated as a suspect almost instantly in their minds because of an ankle monitor?  Like someone couldn't have delivered the child to him for a price there is Sodom and Gomorrah (I mean Satsuma).

Sorry for my rant and sorry if you think I hate crystal.  I do not.  I just think they need to search around every corner and it bugs me that they seem to be suffering from Misty tunnel vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alethea said,in October 16th, 2009 at 2:44 pm texasgoldengirl, yes $12,000 and looming jail-time sounds like a lot of motive but when you think about how much it would cost in money and other resources to hide a child…. A child with medical problems and a webbed neck? </p>
<p>And I really don’t think any serious person would accuse her of killing the child, would they? Not even the most avid Crystal-haters, you would think.<br />
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let me first of all say that I am not a Cyrtal-hater, but the fact is there&#8217;s a lot of motive there.  That&#8217;s just a fact.  Just like it&#8217;s a fact that Misty was babysitting when Haleigh went missing.  There is also motive that she may not have thought Misty was an adequate caretaker and her belief that ron left bruises on Haleigh&#8217;s face once&#8230;.combined with a horrendous, ever increasing debt. Motive and lots of it.</p>
<p>The nebulizer being missing points to the possibility that whoever took the child cares about the child and wants her properly cared for.  That is why one of the things that infuriates me the most is that I can almost bet you that the FBI has NOT contacted the American Medical Association and asked them to contact every Endoctrinologist&#8217;s office in the entire United States and asked them to do a google search for a picture of Haleigh to see if she is being treated in their office.</p>
<p>Why do I believe they haven&#8217;t done that?  For the same reason the police did not respond to a call (years ago) from some woman who lived by the Garrido&#8217;s claiming that a convicted sex offender had children living in his backyard!!!  The police went out and questioned him in his front yard, and did not even go into the backyard where his kidnap victim lived with her two children.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like they have this memorized rote routine that they go through.  They assume after so many hours that the child is in all probability dead.</p>
<p>And finding Shawn Hornbeck, Elizabeth Smart, and now Jaycee Duggard who were not dead but forced to live in hell&#8230;has taught them nothing. They are really THAT STUPID or that unwilling to admit they need to make some serious changes when it comes to looking for missing children.</p>
<p>They need to wake up and smell the coffee and realize that the child is not always dead and start re-thinking their response and act accordingly.</p>
<p>And the thing that bugs me the most is the fact that all the sex offenders in the area have not been thoroughly investigated.  I realize that police don&#8217;t have the resources to do that themselves, but they just ARRESTED SOMEONE FOR CUFFING A SEX OFFENDER.</p>
<p>And this is not about liking or disliking Cobra.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if he is a total jerk or a good hearted saint.  The fact is the wrong person got thrown in jail that day and that&#8217;s a FACT!</p>
<p>In a perfect world, every citizen would be instantly deputized when a child went missing and regular members of the community could go around knocking on the doors of sex offenders telling them to step aside, they are going to have their house and property searched.</p>
<p>In a less than perfect world for crying out loud don&#8217;t arrest a licenced bond agent who is actually authorized to arrest someone who is violating their parole by continually hanging around children.</p>
<p>Misty, misty, misty.  That&#8217;s all LE in Satsuma can think of.  They must dream of tearing her limb from limb as they fall asleep each night, but the convicted sex offender that lives across the pond, with the boat in front of his house was eliminated as a suspect almost instantly in their minds because of an ankle monitor?  Like someone couldn&#8217;t have delivered the child to him for a price there is Sodom and Gomorrah (I mean Satsuma).</p>
<p>Sorry for my rant and sorry if you think I hate crystal.  I do not.  I just think they need to search around every corner and it bugs me that they seem to be suffering from Misty tunnel vision.</p>
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		<description>does not stop or reduce it - I need to proof read</description>
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		<description>Texasgoldengirl, I agree with you they need to look in every direction.  I'm not sure that child support stopped on Haleigh.  I heard this discussed once and it was said her cs was court ordered and Haliegh being missing do not stop or reduce it,that she would have to go to court to get that done.
I like what m2c said about that earlier, looks like Kim P would have taken care of that months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texasgoldengirl, I agree with you they need to look in every direction.  I&#8217;m not sure that child support stopped on Haleigh.  I heard this discussed once and it was said her cs was court ordered and Haliegh being missing do not stop or reduce it,that she would have to go to court to get that done.<br />
I like what m2c said about that earlier, looks like Kim P would have taken care of that months ago.</p>
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