Not too sure I agree w/a Lawyer dropping a client until that Lawyer helps find another Lawyer that would be willing/help the client. However I can understand.

Sweet_Prayers,

It’s been reported that Misty called Ron about HaLeigh and Ron did not answer his phone because he was just pulling into the driveway of the house. I’m sure that information is in some of the early articles if you look at those. Ron said when he got out of the car, Misty was standing in the doorway waiting for him.

As for Attorney Fields dropping Misty as a client, he did what he needed to do as an attorney and it is hard to blame him. When a client is not listening to an attorney’s advice, it makes it next to impossible to represent that client’s best interests and advocate for the person. Misty does need to find another attorney to protect her right’s, and she needs to listen to said attorney. An attorney is there to protect you and knows what is best for you, even when you do not. I hope she finds someone that will help guide her through the rest of this investigation. She needs someone that she can trust.

Tim Miller isn’t broadcasting false rumors, as numerous reporters of mis-information have.

Bubble-headed journalists devour each other and their sources left and right.

For those that are actually on the ground doing something rather than slam those that do! Simon, it seems if anybody does anything outside of your group they get slammed. Why is that? Somedays I say “go simon go” others I shake my head at you.

I mean nothing bad about Tim Miller, I am sure he is a fine upstanding person. I just find it hard to swallow that he would give peoples money that was donated to TES to ensure that Misty had a good vacation!

Tim Miller has little to do with this case, although he does seem to be inserting himself into it! That may be a bad move for TES.

I have no clue WHY Tim Miller involved this Donna person – nor do I have any idea why TM gave Donna money for Misty. I DO know this:

Tim Miller has done more for missing person’s than anyone else I can think of. He is NOT pefect, noone is. But, he is a fine person and Simon, as much as highly as I think of you..I think the comment you made reference Tim was not appropriate.

As far as Misty..she is a train wreck. I agree that she is NOT the culprit. But, yes..she definitely knows more than she is telling. IMO, she was completely messed up on oxycontin and pot, probably alcohol as well..and was in a black out. She most likely remembers bit and pieces of what took place. Was she home? No, probably not. I think she left Jr. alone and took Haleigh with her to party. Haleigh may have chewed a pill, died and “they” (whoever they are) had to get rid of the body. If they dumped her in the St. John’s River, she would have been eaten by gators. I pray this is not the case..but it is what my gut has told me almost from day one.

Here we in again. what proof do we have that tim funded misty vacation i would like to see a link or phone number so i can make a decision and although i think tim does a good job but it will piss me off if he paid for her vacation i dont care if misty is a teenager i dont like her she is a scam and self centered puts herself first and haleigh last so even if she is the culprit she is just as guilty for maintaining silence

It is easy for us the say it is a waste of money to spend pampering Misty however IF this would have brought this night mare to an end we would all be singing Tim’s praises. I don’t think we should forget all the wonderful things Tim has done or all the people he has found. Let’s not just judge him by this one incident and we don’t know the out come of this yet. jbob

Wrapitup,

You say that Misty took Haleigh to a party and left Junior at home. You also say that she was in a black out from all the drugs she abused at this party.

Have you asked yourself the following questions…

1. Why wud she have taken Haleigh and not Jr. That doesnt make ay sense at all.

2. Misty was accounted for by relatives at 8 pm and LE was with her by 3:24 am. How cud she have had time to take Haleigh to a party, take all kinds of drugs, blackout, Haleigh die, Haleighs remains get disposed of, Misty then sober up, get bak home where she calls Ron and LE.. Then for Ron and LE not to smell alcohol, pot etc, is crazy. LE and Ron wud have been able to determine that Misty had been strung out in the few hours beforehand, which wud have been a big problem with LE and Ron.

3. If Misty went out, why wud she have left the bak door propped wide open? Wudnt that allow Junior to walk right outside, if he awoke? She cud have left the front door unlocked..Why the cinderblock in the bak door? Where were her prints? If she put the block there with intentions of returning, I suspect she wudnt have thought in advance about concealing her prints…

4. Why wud these ppl that were with her at this party, not say one word to anyone? There is a 35k reward sitting there for someone to have.. If these ppl all kept this from LE dont you think they wud have told someone by now?? Addicts and financially strapped ppl, do anything for money.. Clearly ppl arent afraid to implicate her..look at all the BS that has been said about her..Why wudnt they tell LE where they cud get money?

Why wasnt she found in the pond? Where was the bag… gators only eat live prey…

If she went to a party, surely there wud have been someone who saw her enroute to the party, or on her way bak?

Unfortunatly, TM, seems to have had a huge lapse in judgment. Becoming a wannabe detective, and paying an inexperienced lay person to become an undercover cop is totally ridiculous. Undermining LE in this adventure is also disrespectful. I suspect LE and the FBI, can carry out their own sting operations, effectively. TES is supposed to assist in the search of missing ppl. His conduct needs to be addressed. Bragging about a foiled sting operation – turned bad, with donations to use his equipment in searching for missing ppl. I will agree with Simon on this TM issue.

What a mess and it goes on and on! Let’s give Simon a break, here, the rest of us can back away from this story for a few days, and he cannot. People are expecting a new article from him, everyday, on this subject. By now, I don’t know what I would be writing, but it wouldn’t be pretty. He kept going,no matter what! Good for you, Simon.

Simon,
Tim didn’t insert himself,he was invited.If I’m not mistaken,TN told TJ and he reported that her bf paid for the tickets to Universal.I’m not sure what all Tim gave to Donna so she could take Misty around and get her to feel confident enough to tell her what happened to HaLeigh.I don’t think anyone has a problem with her telling what happened with HaLeigh right?I’m not sure,but I think Misty is still staying with Donna and if she had a problem with this,wouldn’t she be somewhere else?The big drama and conspiracy theories make good storylines,but come on,going to the mall,nails done,new outfit,going to church to talk to a pastor,what’s the big deal?

And Donna,the “well heeled” new friend of Misty’s,as you put it,has went on many searches for missing people with TES.She has photo albums full of pics,Caylee’s,Jennifer Kesse’s,HaLeigh’s,many others,and yep,she was in the search pics.So when your out in those Florida woods looking for bodies,maybe she should get a little more respect?

Winterrose, you said it perfectly!

Also, when Leonard wanted to insert himself in the case, where was the outrage? I will tell you, because it was your idea. Can’t have it both ways, or can you simon

I am sure all of the facts haven’t come out about Tim Miller and why he did what he did. I am curious about what he will do next. He weems to be getting awfully fed up. I suspect Misty will be on her own before long.

At least Tim Miller looks for the Missing. How could he look for the missing without inserting himself? I’m sure if Tim Miller wasn’t asked to come back he wouldn’t have. How many people now has “inserted” themselves in this case and how many of those have been on the ground personally looking for Haleigh?

Other than Cobra and Tim Miller can anyone else covering this story say they have honestly looked for Haleigh? Opinions galore but how many hours have any of you spent in them woods in Putnam County looking for Haleigh?

I think if Donna was/is trying to trap Misty good job Donna!!!! Somebody needs to get the truth out of her right? Everyone on the radio show on Sundays has been screaming Misty Misty Misty now that someone is trying to get the truth out of her you scream foul?

Donna has been in those woods searching for Haleigh. Donna is missing time with her family trying to help get to the truth about Haleigh. Come on now lets not scream foul against the good guys helping Haleigh.

Just my opinion on the matter

Tim was invited into the case by Mark NeJames who the family turned to for help. Tim was not invited into the case by the family. It ended up being a package deal, they needed a high profile attorney to get HaLeigh’s name back out to the forefront. NeJames and TM convinced the family that they could do that and that by TES doing another search it would cross off places where HaLeigh isn’t.

Even TJ knows first hand that the family did not want another TES search. They were led to believe that that was the best way to get HaLeigh’s name out there.

I have a copy of the letter that was sent to Mr. NeJames. No where in that letter does it ask for Tim Miller or TES’s help. It is specific at asking for Mark NeJames help.

Are we talking about giving RESPECT to this “Donna” who was with Misty when she went road raging?? Or we talking about “Donna” who advised Misty to ignore her attorney’s advise and go to NYC?? Who knows what is true, however, from what I have “heard” this Donna doesn’t deserve respect. Not if she is the one running with Misty these days.

I am done with Misty. Let’s kick her to the curb & stop anaylzing a mental 17 year old child.

whereishaleigh, I see what you are saying, but how can it help if Misty knows that Donna is working for Tim just to gain info from her?

Alligators will eat things that are alive or dead. They prefer living, but they will eat dead things.

I wanted to say from a clinical point of view that Tim Miller’s attempts to help Misty feel cared for and understood after her being left by her husband Ron to me represents Tim Miller’s kindness and concerns to find Haleigh. I think Tim Miller probably used his own personal money for this deal. Misty no matter what she did is on her own now and being 17 thinks she knows it all but is a wreck also with very little family support. It is up to us to raise our kids and they become products of their environment so all us strangers are now searching for Haleigh which is an awesome bringing together of strangers who care! Simon & Jan, Cobra, TJ Hart all have gone above and beyond trying to get answers to where is Haleigh? To me all the drama can be left all that matters is where Haleigh is and prayers she will be found no matter what extremes people go to in an effort to get to the truth!
angel blessings Sass

I think Tim is thru helping Misty since this road rage incident. He wouldn’t have spoke out like he did if he wasn’t thru. I still want to hear more from Tim about what went on, before I judge the situation.

Have you ever heard the old saying: Send them to school, and send them to school, and all they do is eat the books.

That road rage incident is odd,the “victim” is from Florida,says she’s from Mass and gave a Mass address with a Miss zipcode.She said Donna had NC licenses plates,but LE says GA,go figure,it makes no sense.

WinterRose, that “road rage” scene has to be a joke. There is NO WAY it could possibly have happened like that. I’m not sure who the joke is on but there’s no way that story gels. treece

sass at 7:33 pm I just wanted to say I appreciate your post and your point of view.

Frustration over the lack of results in this case makes many of us snarky, including myself. I have wrote and deleted a lot of posts before hitting that “post my comment” button. Snarky won’t bring this angel back.

liberty said:

You can obtain all records for Non Profit thru the state of incorporation. They are not required to open their books to anybody whom may call and ask.
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That is incorrect. Like I stated earlier, NFP records are open to the public. See below:

As a non-profit organization is dedicated to charity or the public, its finances are also open to inspection by the public. The public may obtain copies of the non-profit organization’s expense and salary reports as well as state and federal filings.

Certain detailed documents including financial records, articles of incorporation, bylaws and annual reports, as required by the state in which it is incorporated, must be prepared in a specific manner and filed by certain deadlines.
http://www.taxlawfirm.net/501c3-non-profit-organizations.htm

So, anyone that wants to see TES records should simply be able to call and request copies. As a NFP organization, their records are open to public viewing.

I wish he would kick her to the curb and really worry about his daughter what is the big deal about misty what does she have she is not pretty and is not smart how can you chose that over a beautiful child i an tired of hearing about misty

She is pretty Ash,and her education is because of her family and thier neglect,but we make our own choices in life.People can continue in what they were raised in or better themselves.But,it’s not about Misty,it’s about HaLeigh and if you know the only person you know of,can tell what happened or where your child is,what would you do?Yep,HaLeigh is beautiful,actually she’s one of the prettiest little girls I’ve seen.

Fed up with the Misty ‘fest’

great logic. I have had many of the same thoughts, just can’t ever seem to get them all out. I think Misty is uneducated, irresponsible and immature. In this situation, I don’t think I can believe she is responsible. After 3 days of binging and fighting all night sunday, it would take a lot to wake you when you finally get to sleep.

I agree, if she was fucked up on anything I would think that the reporting officer would have included her intoxicated state on the report.

I would like to add a point to your original post.

5) Tim Miller says on his recording that after all of his tests, she cried and begged him to give here the ‘truth drug’, why would someone deliberately hiding something want to do that? That caught me right away.

Again I will say, being a hillbilly does not make you a murderer.

I forgot something up there, I think we should wait a bit to jump all over TM. I can only imagine what I would be compelled to do to help find Haleigh if I was placed smack dab in the middle of this mess. Listen to his voice on the tapes, he is sick over the depravity of these people. He may even be working with le. Le probably has a lot of things they would like to try, but as police officers allowed.

Up here in Canada le caught a killer by telling him he won tickets to a playoff game and the other guy who ‘won’ and was seated with him was undercover le. He ended up bragging about the crime and getting busted. Don’t be so quick to think you know what is going on. Simon I am surprised you were so quick to condemn him, he is on our side.

mariesilk, I didn’t know TM said Misty begged for the truth drug. I agree why would you do that if you knew anything.
Why didn’t he get it for her?? If you take the “truth drug” you can’t manipulate it can you?
I am trying to understand anything that makes sense about what TM has just done with this Misty “mother” stunt BUT marie you just said something that rang a bell with me. “I can only imagine what I would be compelled…..” I relate to that because I could play alot of games if I thought they would lead me to Haleigh. BUT help me understand WHY he would tell it, if it were about Haleigh???

Loralyn,
Not unless they’re posting with another name,I only post here once in awhile.Do I know you under another name.

5 different kinds of Beer bottles why would 2 people have 5 different kinds of beer?

WhereIsHaleigh, Cobra said it hadn’t been emptied in weeks or a month so I’m guessing either he is wrong or it was from the night the brothers and cousin came over. I’ve never been to a party with 5 different kinds before and I’ve been to some pretty big ones.

Loralyn

Cobra said the garbage wasn’t emptied for weeks AFTER Haleigh went Missing not BEFORE.

Mariesilk:

Cobra said this on the show last Sunday.
It has been said that Ronald stopped that night and bought a big beer…So if he bought big beers i was wondering why there would be 5 different kinds in the garbage..

Cobra are you saying there was a party there that night?

Yes Cobra said Misty had ripped pants in the garbabge.

The earliest pics had garbage cans setting out at mailboxes,was pick up suppose to have been that day?

WinterRose, a man in chat last week said they pick up on Thursdays.

TM told cause they got caught, everyone knew the Donna connection after the road rage and he had to come clean

The bluejeans were in the garbage outside not taken as evidence???

Thank you Loralyn,the garbage cans were setting out in the first few days in those pics.Just wasn’t sure when pick up day was or what day the pics were taken exactly.

YW WinterRose. I think I read that Misty found the pink shirt in the dirty clothes by the washer. That basket in the bedroom always looked like clean clothes to me. Like they didn’t have enough drawer space. I may need to watch the video again but weren’t they folded?

I don’t think anything about 5 different kinds of beer bottles, because family and friends could stop by at different times bringing their own beer. It might not have been from one party.

I do wonder about the ripped pants and why LE didn’t take them for testing.

I, also, wonder about that loud car that came by about 1:30 a.m. Then a neighbor heard a woman’s raised voice about 2:30a.m.

Someone asked about the black bag and why it wasn’t found during that pond search. It was, probably, just a black trash bag and, from what I understand that area was used as a trash dump. We, really, don’t know if LE found anything, or not, because they aren’t letting anything out. One of the guys draining the pond said they got all excited over something that was intertwined in a wheel, I believe.

Loralyn:

The house had been straightened up by relatives before the press was allowed in there.

“Was that the 4 people at the party?”

I see what you are wondering now. I would think that their garbage was checked and if those bottles or cans were near the top that would look pretty bad to the investigators. I think they would have taken the bottles or cans for testing if that was the case though.

I’m sure that is a basic thing for them to check immediately.

WinterRose says: TN said there were always clothes on the floor in front of washing machine when going through the MH tour.

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WinterRose, TN never said that about clothes on the floor in the walk thru. I just watched that video to check. I have never heard TN say anything @ clothes on the floor in front of the washing machine. Link please.

Confused are you sure? Was is Mrs. Sykes who said that then? One of them did and I thought it was Teresa on the Nancy Grace show.

Definitely not TN on the NG walkthru. Check for yourself. The video is on the CNN website.

Wrapitup,

Thank you for replying.. I will point out that it is unlikely that she wud have come home (with a friend) and immediately know that Haleigh was gone.. If she was iresponsible enough to have left, its highly unlikely that she wud have (in her strung out state) thought about cheking on the kids…then put a plan into action…especially worrying aboput fingerprints..

Gators wud not eat the black bag…

If Nay Nay did find a way to “get it out there” ..why wudnt she have done it where she cud benefit.. like to get immunity and be released and get the money?? Are you suggesting she did it for free and didnt use the information as leverage?

On account that so many of these kids do have rap sheets a drug probs, they wud be granted immunity… and wud benefit from the money…

I agree that Misty sounded “a bit out of it on the 911 call”which is more logical to think that she had just been woken up… As far as her not knowing the word numerical, that should reinforce my whole point.. she is not articulate, and well spoken..

LE and Ron wud have known if she had been strung out mere hours b4… That wud have been noted in the report… They are trained and Ron is experienced… That wud have been a big issue..

I appreciate that you have addresssed my concerns however your explanations are weak at best. There is nothing logical in your theory. As sick as this crime or any crime is..there is usually a logical course… There is no logic in the theory that Misty is witholding information.. I doubt gramma and aunt wud have allowed Misty to have lied..They wud have told LE immediately that it wasnt true and if that was the case, then there wud be cause for concern.

This type of crime happens …we should open our eyes and recognize when we are flogging a dead horse…Misty has no answers or she wud have given them..she wud have come clean by now…

If

SCHIAVO: OK, Nancy. Basically, what I was saying to you is that the back door opens and shuts. When it shuts, it shuts automatically. So this was the one that was propped up with the cinderblock. This is a deadbolt, OK? Misty said that this one was wide open and this was propped open with the cinderblock. So basically — and — but if you leave this door by itself, it slowly closes on its own. So there was laundry on the floor, as you recall. Misty found the pink shirt by the back door where the laundry was. The laundry room machines are right here. If you put this down, the door stops.

GRACE: So to Teresa Neves joining us, the paternal grandmother of Haleigh. Ms. Neves, is it your understanding that there was laundry on the floor that night? Yes, no.

NEVES: I hate to say it, Nancy, but there`s almost always laundry on the floor.

It was Teresa. They may not have the whole video up anymore. This is from the March 6 show.

I have been wondering how some posters who have been following this case aren’t connecting the “dots”. It’s all right here, most times in fore-shadowing, if one really pays attention.
While researching the articles for this post I was re-reminded of just how many times we are given a “bit” of information. Often times this “info” is railed against, disavowed, and straight-up called false or a lie. There have been a few different occasions in the past weeks that Simon has reported on something, it was refuted, only to be found to be acurate a few days later.

I composed this post to answer a few questions that have been asked regularly.

When everyone was theorizing and questioning where Misty was during her “vacation”, I felt assured where she was. I remembered these articles from Simon. It turns out my hunch on this article was correct.

1)Haleigh Cummings Update: Parents Cleared, Misty’s Story Unclear
Posted on August 17th, 2009

“Tim Miller with Texas EquuSearch said it may be another six weeks to two months before his volunteers will scour the area once more for Haleigh.” It has been 7+ weeks.

2)Bounty Hunter Padilla Makes Open Offer to Haleigh Cummings Stepmom
Posted on August 31st, 2009

“After the recap, I challenged listeners to think for a moment from the perspective of Misty whose life has impacted by sexual abuse at the hands of family members, a low level of education, being raised by drug addicted parents and who just might have been threatened with lethal force the night of Haleigh’s abduction. I also brought up the idea that Misty might not need another polygraph or an attorney, but rather and advocate.

At that point of the program, host Simon Barrett injected Bounty Hunter Leonard Padilla into the conversation. Padilla agreed that Misty probably needs a friend right now.

I asked Padilla if he had any suggestions. He responded by offering his help to Misty if she wanted it.

Padilla suggested taking her away from her surroundings for safety reasons–perhaps flying her to Canada in order to get some straight answers and to provide her an attorney. As written by Simon.

This is what immediately came to my mind when I heard that Misty had left Satsuma. I mean the very first thing. For some reason I had thought that TM had made this offer. (Sorry LP)

As for how Tim Miller came to posses the money to fund Misty’s “vaction” this article tells it all, in foreshadowing if you will.

3) Haleigh Cummings – TES Tim Miller – $35k For The Baby
Posted on September 2nd, 2009

“Miller sought the help of a fellow Texan and friend of Millers, Roy Moffitt of Roy Moffitt Customized Fueling Inc.. Moffit has since written a check to Ronald Cummings for $35,000 payable upon the safe return of Haleigh.”

Haleigh Cummings – Would $35,000 Get Her Back? Hank Croslin’s Call
Posted on September 2nd, 2009

The Sky’s TJ Hart asked Miller what exactly the $35,000 was for. Miller said he was only concerned about getting missing Haleigh back and that he “didn’t give a damn.”

Doesn’t it seem highly likely that this is the monies used to fund Misty’s Vaction? The donor was a personal friend of TM’s and the funds were given to TM, not necissarily the non-profit. The donor stated he didn’t care how the money was spent as long as it in some way helped locate Haleigh.

As for the questions about when TES will return to Satsuma, this article had a quote from Simon on the bottom mentioning the situation between TES and Misty.

4)AUDIO: Tim Miller with TES on Misty’s Whereabouts the Night Haleigh Cummings Vanished
Posted on October 9th, 2009

“The one question that was not asked was is Tim Miller going back to Satsuma? The original plan was for TES to resume their search for Haleigh Cummings right about now. But, is that still a go? Based on the polygraph fiasco it would seem unlikely that Misty Croslin is going to be co-operative with Tim Miller” – Simon

This should answer the questions about when TES will be going back to Satsuma. They aren’t. IMO PCSO aren’t searching either. There are too many possible locations and not enough evidence to follow.

I think Misty was the first one that said she was the one that found the pink shirt in a dirty clothes pile by the back door. She said if I were guilty of anything, I wouldn’t have shown it to the police. It was on one of the early morning interview shows.

Here’s the video of the walk-through:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/03/06/ng.haleigh.home.cnn

Teresa doesn’t say anything about laundry on the video of the walk-through. Maybe it’s not a complete video anymore?

It shows up in the transcript, though, so it was clearly said.

I just noticed there is a Haleigh thread down below with 140+ posts. I need to go to bed. Do I need to read those before the show tomorrow?

Loralyn:

No, the show will be self-explanatory and lively.

Misty didn’t mention having a dream that 4 people were in the house until the hypnotist asked her if she had any dreams, that night. That gave her the dream story idea. I guess it is anything to throw LE off. Then the red rose placed on that land that Misty hinted about, and that caused another search. Still no Haleigh. Now it’s the divorce. I am a little skeptical that this may be another stunt to get the attention off of finding Haleigh. Ron and Misty are still working together on this and, now, they are in New York at the same time. I don’t know! Even if they get a divorce, they may go back together when things die down. Misty has already said they may get back together, when things settle down.

karen that is something very interesting to think about.
“I, still, do not think Misty went out in the dark and got that heavy cinderblock to hold that door open” unless a habit of their’s and she did it out of habit (unlikely) a woman (and she is petite) would not have done that.

I woke up and did prayer for Haleigh, it is her 8 month anniversary since she has been missing. There are so many theories on what happened to her. Misty and Ron need to put the lord in there minds everyday and please bring this little girl home. This whole thing is not a joke!

WHY would it be a JOKE?? Because the Maury Povich show is a JOKE.
Why would the father of a missing child appear on such a show??

Is this rumor or truth he is on??
Sounds like hearsay.

Hi Holly’s Gmom

I think it is highly UNLIKELY, that the monies TM used to fund his silly “Sting” operation, came from the 35k reward money. If they take money from that amount, they wud have to keep lowering it everytime they “dipped” into it. The 35k reward money is what is posted and the money that was used was prollly made from donations to his foundation.

It was a stupid move, for him to set this “sting” up. He is interfering with LE and making a mockery out of the entire investigation. He prolly even set up the road rage ruse so that LE wud meet up with Misty, where TM hoped they wud do another interrogation.

What TM and many ppl seem to ignore, is that Misty, has never run, and has never been uncooperative. She has been interrogated for hours on end, and has done everything from repeated polygraphs to voice analyses, to hypnosis.

Anther thing that seems highly “unlikley” is that Misty knows anything more that she has told for the last 8 months. She has been consistent and her story hasnt changed. The ppl around her like Ron, have said things in interviews where he has been confused, or has messed up in his articulation.

Everyone seems to agree that Misty and Ron, and the entire families of all involved arent very bright, yet many sem to think Misty can pull off outsmarting LE and the FBI.

I doubt Misty is capable of holding back any answers. If she knew anything more, she wud have said something by now. She is 17 yrs old and has never been descriged as a liar, or bad person. Keeping a secret, where she has prolly been offered sweetheart deals, money, and the relief of helping find Haleigh, wud have come out by now. Dont ya think???

Why wud she carry on this sharade? What wud the purpose be? How cud she keep this secret for 8 months? Why? How cud she have outsmarted LE?

It is conflicting to say on one hand how many acknowledge her ignorance, yet on the other, say that she is capable of outsmarting the FBI?

We have seen the likes of the group she runs with. Addicts, who are financially strapped. How can anyone think she was oput with ppl that night? Do you really think someone wudnt have said something by now? We see there are no loyalties anywhere. Everyone has been willing to throw her under the bus from day one? What wud their motive be, to pass on the money, and not help bring Haleigh home. This crew spends a good portion of their life, on drugs and booze..you dont think one wud have slipped by now?

Thinkinig she is holding bak information is as ignorant as the ppl involved.. How has it helped in this case, pound Misty to pupl and still have no answers…

The biggest break LE has in this case, is when Hank Jr, placed himself at the crime scene only 3 wks ago. We need to remember that he held this in and has been lying about this since day one.

He is a known criminal, not a very good person, and a potential ped. Why is everyone ignoring this break and using his statement against Misty. That is just plain stupid. He had no reason to preotect her from the get go. She nationally told, what he has done to her along with cousin Joe.

Why do you chose to give merrit to a guy like this? It appears as though, he is being referred to as a hero? Have we forgotten what kind of a thug he is? The oly reason, he wud have come clean is because LE somehoe found out that he was at the scene but lied about it… Soesnt anyone see that? Isnt time we get passed chasing Misty around, and start looking elsewhere?? What has this accomplished… Where is Haleigh?

Fed Up with the Misty “Fest”

AGAIN, your post makes the most sense.
But where is Haleigh??

“More INCONSISTENCIES in Misty Cummings’story”
Reported by: Matt Saffer with Action News Jax

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/More-inconsistencies-in-Misty-Cummings-story/omcC-j3R20ifTenzldTtlA.cspx?rss=1
Action News Jax Jacksonville, Fl
8-28-09 8:58 p.m.

Maury does a show at least once a year on missing children. He did a show on Trenton Duckett. The family of Britnee Drexell is filming a show (probably the same one Ron will be on). And Ron filmed the show last week. The show will air on Oct. 22nd.

Meanwhile, Ronald Cummings and his mother, Teresa Neves, taped an episode of Maury Povich’s show today. The show will air at 1 p.m. Oct. 22 on WKCF-Channel 18.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-misty-orlando-100809,0,5665885.story

“I’m just mentally and emotionally exhausted.” Dawn Drexel returned home this afternoon after a few intense days in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. She went to tape a portion of the Maury Povich show. “I’m glad to get Brittanee’s name and face back out there, so people are still looking for her.”
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S1174926.shtml?cat=565

Do some research into Maury’s show on missing children. There are many going back years.

Please help the children!
Stop the abuse and murder of the children in the U.S.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/16/stop-the-abuse-and-murder-of-the-children-in-the-us

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WESH 2 Orlando, Fl Search of articles done as of 10-11-09 12:10 p.m. CDT
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Fedup,
I agree, I’ve said over and over again that in my opinion both Ron and Misty are innocent.
I do believe that subconsciously Misty may know more or have her suspicions about who might have taken Haleigh. It is my opinion her family has alot to do with it-jmo.

Simon has posted a new thread!

Richard Grund will be a guest on today’s show at 3 p.m. CDT!

oops, i meant- opinion*

I didn’t know that the drug is illegal, but still, her being willing to use it says something. Under the drug, she wouldn’t have the control like in an ldt to manipulate answers. I don’t think any guilty person would ask to be injected with sodium pentathol.

Also, when the hypnotist said she was ‘faking it’, he just means he never got her under. I could tell on the tape. Part of being a good hypnotist means ensuring your ‘patient’ is under. It just doesn’t work on some people.

I too think it says something that she has publically agreed to try that drug along with all her other efforts..

Its a shame that the polys and voice analysis and hypnosis were administered by ppl who are all against her, and bias. I think that is a big factor. We know theses tests are unreliable to say the least and many innconet ppl have come away with a big fat label of “failed” just like guilty ppl have passed…

Her willingness shows me that she is telling the truth and is trying to prove it at any cost. Its time we start evaluating the logic of the facts stop enabling the real perp to laugh at all the drama…

Jaycees step father is a good example of once the public jury ppol convicts who they think is guilty, the investigation stops… Thankfully Jaycee came out of this alive, but if LE had have focused more outside of the step father..cud they have cracked the case???

I still can’t understand why he would go on Maury-how ridiculous, but then again, so it this entire case.

Keep me posted if and when it airs. Thanks!

Becky Sue..we think alike… You cud be right that it is someone who has no criminal record, but I cant stop wondering about Chad Reynolds.. the RSO that went Missing Feb 3, 09 who lived 25 min away from there. he has never been caught. He was released from custody in late Nov 2008 and then this happened.. LE has sd that they dont think he was involved but I wud like to know how they came up with that conclusion… They say he is missing and wonder if he was i a dupster and had been killed or passed out somewhere and died??? Cud be, but why discude him him???
His original crime is where he snuk into a window in a mobile home, in a trailer park not far away from there, and raped and 11 yr old girl in her bed right under her parenst nose… Did he graduate into murder???? If so has he gone and killed himself somewhere???
Hos this can be discounted is beyond good reason… This is only 1 person that is more likley to be part of the crime than Misty.. How many other things are there that we dont know about..

Also, I agree that LE isnt telling all they know.. It wudnt be the first time that they let the general public someone is involved even when they dont feel that… It helps take the heat off the perp so that they become careless.. JMO

Misty is a 17yr old girl that doesnt know which way to turn. If she has a lawyer and doesnt say anything then she gets blamed for not talking, if she wants to say her side of the story to clear the air then she is told to listen to her lawyer. She doesnt have the highest IQ and lord forbid her family try to help her they are worse off than her

Becky Sue:

This has been my feeling all along. If this had happened to a suburban family, this investigation would have been different. The dogs tracked Haleigh’s scent down to a dock on the river that flows all the way to Jacksonville. They need to be looking at remote wilderness cabins along that river.

I also wonder how all 44 sex offenders in the area could be completely cleared. They only seem to care about Misty and her failed poly. I have done a lot of research lately on poly’s and the procedures involved. I learned a few things:

1) Ldt’s are vulnerable to interpretation. One examiner could read the same results completely different than another. Making it even more suspect when the person conducting the test is clearly biased.

2) Ldt’s only measure stress reactions to the questions asked. I think it is safe to say that there would be many other sources of stress one being the fact that they were telling her during the test she was showing deception. (NOT proper procedure) and also the stress could just be her knowing inside that she has to pass this or else. And she could also show stress from the loss of Haleigh in general.

3) Voice stress tests are considered voodoo science by the scientific community

4) Lie detector tests are biased against the innocent. Statistically, more innocent people are flagged as deceptive, than liars are.

5) Ldt’s are not admissable in court because of these reasons.

It is foolish for le to rely so much on such subjective methods of investigation. I hope I am wrong.

Fed up,
sorry, I was gone for a while, wow, you are the only other person I know of that ever mentions Chad Reynolds…..I suspected him in the very beginning….he didn’t live far away,has done this before, and just disappeared….and who knows, he was from this area and possibly new Joe and/or Hank Jr. people like this hang out with one another and even have websites and chat rooms….I don’t know who did this but yes, I think LE ruled out Chad too early because they coldn’t find him, I think they need to dig deep into the entire Croslin Clan of men….they all seem to have sexual issues…jmo

Mariesilk..
Your input is very insightful… It is unfortunate that manay ppl here done research things like you have brought to the table.
This is the very reason that they are inadmissable… It is foolish for ppl to continue to keep saying that Misty is holding something bak..
There is no reason for her too…. and if she was out, then why hassnt anyone comeforward for the money??? There is no way that she cud have kept that secret this long…
For Ron to believe that she is telling the truth, he must have seen signs from her that corroborated her story that she was asleep… She prolly looked like she had just woken up… Also, Misty has made herself accessible to LE from day one and continues to do so.. I noticed it was not a big article here, that Miaty actually went to LE last wk to give them the address she cud be reached at in Orlando… She has begged for every test under the sun to be adminstered.. This is not consistent with someone who is hiding something…Also, it is also sd by experts that if she is feeling responsible in some way for her haleighs disappearance, that it wud absolutely come thru in her polys where it wud show decpetion.. She is a 17 yr old and not educated, I m not sure why ppl arent recognizing that it is impossible to believe that if Misty was out that night, someone wud have spilled the beans..
Everything she has tried to do, just ends up being thrown in her face.. I dont blame her for any of her actions… I wish many ppl and the media wud start reporting facts instead of rumour and inuendo and consider that it was prolly a reandom act, where Haleigh was a victim of a ped…

Vaquera, doing any show does allow her name to be heard again – MP is not normally the show I would choose to go on – but as desperate as I would be, I would probably go on ANY show that would let me say my childs name or show their picture – so no I can’t say it was a joke for Ron or would be for anyone with a child missing.
When this is resolved, IF Ronald or Misty or Crystal are not involved they will all deserve apologies from many MOST of us. IF they are innocent, they have been treated badly by many people. JMO Treece

i dont know why people makin a big deal on mp show its not just about paternity or missing children he grants wishes to kids with diseases and even does a talent show and i show on peoples fears from what i seen mp seems to care about other people just my opinion

Treece,

I appreciate your honesty… What is it you feel you know, that Misty lied about?

Im not sure how much footage you have seen of her very words, as well as the person who has done the interview. If you have seen all of her interviews, Im wondering, if you have been tainted by all the bad reporting and shoddy journalism.

Misty has never changed her story. I will agree with you that ppl have… Ron told NG on more than one occaision, incorrect things. I think his comprehension level, is even lower than Mistys.

He recited the chain of events of what he cliams Misty told him, and he has been clearly confused on more than one occaision. If you notice, NG for one bombards hime with qestions and when he answers its almost like he is sometimes ine or 2 questions behind. His yeses and no’s arent applicable, when he isnt answering the right sequenced question. Alos, he has said things that are very wrong, like about the times, and about the front door, and about what Misty did when she woke up, and his words have come bak to bite her on more than one occaision. Not only Rons words but many of the players involved. I think it is unfair to look at them as now being inconsistancies. They arent hers, they are other ppls. If you watch her in any footage, she has sadi the same story…
Ron has had conversations with the likes of TM and TM turned around and said all this crap… He quoted Ron about the “bed being made” and the dirty clothes being in the dryer… You can tell that TM took his words out of context… The reason one has to consider this, is why did Ron deny and continue to deny that Misty had anything to do with this. Why has he gone bak and tried to clarify what he was infact saying… Its so obvious when you see him talk… they cudnt describe in proper words “see Jane run…” its so blatant… None of what they have said should be used against them..
Like I said, if you see Mistys footage..her story doesnt change.. even Ron and TN have sd that on many occaisions.. the big prob here is that popl like NG keep asking other ppl what Misty told them, just so she can use it against Misty… That is where so many of the inconsistencies were born…
Also as far as her 911 call where she says they were all in the same bed.. cudnt you see a 16 yr old girl sho is in shock and scared and at the brunt of ron, make short cuts to the operator to get her point across?? You and I likely wudnt do that, but cant you consider the girl and her faults?? They shouldnt be used agaisnt her criminally as its just unfair. This girl has told everything.. She has done everything she can and is still offering to do more tests and she is open to talk to LE anytime and has never made any bones about it.. The ppl need to start expecting that LE be accountable for this investigation. As long as ppl are content with going in circles of what Misty tells or doesnt tell..they are flogging a dead horse, and need to look outside the box.. Ppl have become complacent with the investigation that Misty holds the key… We need to say NO… we want more… There are too many things that point in the logical direction that Misty has told all she knows, so they can stop using her as an excuse to halt the investigation letting all the wannabee’s take over.. It is just stupid..
WHERE IS HALEIGH !

Fed up, I live in OK, in the country, and I would bring Misty here to stay with my family to protect her from the games and the people wanting to exploit her if I could. I believe she is innocent until proven guilty. The games that are being played with her turn my stomach.
It makes me so sad that someone would play being a “mother” to her to deceive her. Misty has never had a “mother”. My kids KNOW they could trust me when they were little and they can trust me now, to my death. Misty has never had that security. It is sad. At the same time if she does know anything else to tell to find Haleigh dead or alive I want her to tell it and stop this mess.

Fed-up:

Never thought about it that way before. Looks like one uneducated teenage drug addict has the entire PSCO stopped in its tracks?

Guys, Im so glad Im hearing that some ppl are looking at this with logic. If we start with the few facts that we know (which is hardly anything) it doesnt lead too much…
Ruling out things are easier and there is some logic in any crime…

Treese, I think you may have heard more fiction than fact. That is the very sad thing about this case.. So many ppl have talked to medis about what someone else has said that its hard to remember where you heard what information… Her times have been consistent.. From her 1st talk with LE at 3:40am … she sd Haleigh was in bed by 8 and she layed down at about 10:30 and the kids were in her bed… Even though we found out later that there were 2 separate mattressboth on the floor and about 24 inches apart… Haleigh was on the separate one about 24 in away… One might be able to consider an account given by a 16 yr old…who was responsible for the child to be a little messed up with specific details… her times have been the same …also, we dont know exactly how the interview went either… the olice report states that Misty woke up just before 3 to get some water…..it is very possible that she told LE that she woke up and noticed the kitchen light was on and he may have asked her why she woke up and she may have sd to get some water, assuming that may have been why she awoke in the first place…. ppl are saying that this statement is inconsistant, as if she was getting water, why wud she have gone to the bathroom, thru the living room, instead of the one in the bedroom… The reality is .. no one is considering that this statement is from a hillbilly who doesnt know how to talk and was likley very scared and intimidated and felt like she had to have an answer for things… I dont know why ppl cant cut the kid a bit of slack.. she hasnt changed anything in her story from the start.. LE has even said that… Ron and TN have sd that too… she may have been off abit on a time as everything may have been on the spur of the moment while talking to le and trying to think especially when you wud be half asleep.. i cant seee why not very many ppl will give her a little bit of slack.. the pajamas she sd she had on were a pink top and underwear… it was later that evening that Misty actually found the pinjk shirt in the laundry pile at the backdoor….PPl have considered that to be an incosistency as they say it leads to Misty not knowing what she had on… That is also not fair.. no one knows if the perp didnt remove or change her clothing… Also, it is said that as there no laundry soap, this means that Misty must have been lying when she sd she cleaned Haleighs blanket.. this too is unfair as I suspect many times, the Cummings prolly use dishwasher soap, or whatever is on hand to wash anything.. Also Ron told TM that that there were dirty clothes in the dryer… WTH did he mean Washer??? and she may have thrown in the next load waiting to be done into the washer??? it sounds like the hamper was the floor by the bakdoor.. doesnt sound that strange under these circumstances.. Ron is even less articulate that Misty. He has next to know vocbulary, let alone espression and comprehnsion… This is what has hurt them and the media goes after her like vultures.. This isnt helping.. there have been so mnay false reports and false rumours that many ppl dont know the originating story…
Now if you instil some logic and look at the biggest claim which is that Misty wasnt home..well how can one explain how no one has come forward??? There is a reward. These kids wud have told someone.. a boyfrined and parent a sibling.. I mean someone wud have known and out of a bunch of ppl who wud have known, why wudnt someone have come forward? There wud have to be one person who wud have wanted the money or just did the right thing. If she was elusive and uncooperative, and wudnt talk to LE or anyoe ..I cud see that causing suspeicion, however she has been saying the same story for months and months and taken every test, some twice to try and prove her innocence..There are too masny reasons to think she is telling the truth, than to think she is lying.. Then we get the big guns TM, and the crew, telling the world on national TV that she failed these tests miserabley and that she is hiding something.. That is so wrong.. There are so many reasons a poly can be failed and she wud qualify for many reasons .. Her mind set wud be the first one… There is no way she doesnt feel responsible for her disappearance.. How cud she not blame herself.. She wud be angry with herself for not waking up and feeling like she cud protect her.. WEe need to remember that is is reported by everyone that Haleigh and Misty loved each other..Also, there is not one statement that has been made about Misty that she lies, or is hateful or bad in anyway… That has to be taken into consideration too..Her lifestyle leaves much to be desired, however her character icnt consistent with someone who cud hold in the truth for 8 months… So many rumours to plow thru and we need to look at the few facts that we have and branch out from there… The poly is no indication at all.. there is a good chance an innocent person will fail the test for many of the above reasons and that is why they are inadmissible so to use that in the equation is ludicrous. Tommy finally fessing up to him being there, is the biggest worry I have…. His background tells one he is a liar and a criminal, and a thug and is alleged to have abused his own sister.. Why ppl are looking at him as a hero for putting himself at the crime scene is beyond me. Sure, he is going to try and defeclt that fact by ggoing along with the consensus that Miasty wasnt there as he is worried about saving his own ass.. Why should he be believed..Especially when lied about it originally to LE for 7 months..He had no reason to protect Misty as she already threw him under the bus at the very start saying that she is supicous of him and why.. Why did he hold out from telling LE this buig fact from day one???? Sounds like its self serving and hopefully LE are setting there sites on him.. We know he isnt allowed to leave town..Good thing !

Hi Boldone,

I was certainly leaning towrads a tranger abduction, but when Tommy placed himself at the crime scene, I did a 180.

There had to be a reason he admitted to lying.
He had never told LE that before, and the only reason I can think of that he wud expose himself to LE as now being a liar (on top of a thief, and an alleged ped) is becasue LE must have placed him there and he had to think of a way to explain their find…

I have heard ppl say that he finally came clean with LE because he wasnt going to protect Misty anymore ??????? WTH?

That is a ridiculous theory.. PPl who have that idea need to ask themself, why they think he wud have shown Misty, any loyalty from the very start. They need to remember that Misty called him and Joe out from the getgo and told LE what they had both done to her in her early adolescence…..

So why wud he have ever felt like covering for Misty, if he really knew that she wasnt home ??????

And as far as his mother changing her story, and now telling that Misty is holding bak from something..well that one is a no brainer… She made herself a liar too when she corroborated Tommys story the very same dat that she changed her tune about Mistys innocense..It shouldnt be hard to see that she maybe felt sick about the possibility that Tommy was there and maybe did take Misty..so what does she do???? She comes out to try and deflect that Tommy was at the crime secene, and try and dump on Misty…. Knowing full well that LE have nothing on Misty as she has been telling LE the truth from day one…

Its hard to imaging that there is logic in crimes… but there is.
It is logical to see why Tommy and Lisa have come up with their new revelations…

It is more logical to wonder about Tommys guilt, than think that after all this time Misty cud still be holding something bak……