I know, it’s not like they’ll suddenly see the error of their ways, but somebody has to keep an eye on them.
Rep. Gordon Hintz, widely known as The Job Killer of Wisconsin, flat-out lied to the face of Emily Mills, op-ed writer for the Isthmus. He told her, “Reports show that about 50% of borrowers aren’t able to pay it off in just two weeks, so then we’re not talking about a short-term loan anymore.”
I’d like to get a look at these alleged reports, and see the Pinnochio noses on its authors. Anyone who reads the annual SEC reports of payday lenders knows that 94% of all loans are paid back on time.
However, Emily Mills isn’t going to be let off here. She’s been sucked into an opinion by not doing her research. On her blog, she says, “as all too often borrowers are forced to roll over loans, thus accruing yet more interest, because they can’t fully pay off the first one by the time their next paycheck rolls around ” — a claim which I’ve just debunked.
And to it the overly-dramatic line, “we’re talking about preventing them from fleecing the ever living crap out of people in already dire financial straits–which they seem to think is their God-given right to do.”
Actually, Ms. Mills, nobody is being “fleeced”. Let us remind you that people take out loans of their own free will, where federal regulations require fee and APR disclosure, and where every study ever done has shown overwhelming satisfaction with payday loans. In addition, payday loans HELP people out of dire financial straits when they are used responsibly, which they are 94% of the time. I should hope that helping people get short-term credit on nothing more than a promise to repay is something that God would, in fact, be rather proud of.
You didn’t do your research, didja?
As for her support for credit union loan products, the payday loan industry has no problem with them. Competition is good for the marketplace. One wonders, however, why these products haven’t found wide acceptance. Maybe because not everyone who needs a short-term loan is a member. Or maybe they just prefer the convenience of a payday loan.
She continues, “We are few of us financial wizards, and when things get really tough, we often end up feeling like there are no alternatives. That has to change.” Ms. Mills, a 36% rate cap kills the payday loan alternative in Wisconsin. You force people to other forms of credit that they have already dismissed — borrowing from a friend, relative or employer; taking a credit card cash advance; pawning something; getting an internet loan; and bouncing a check.
Why would you do that?
In her blog comment section, she asks what level of cap would be reasonable? Ms. Mills, the free market already caps rates. If rates got to a point where borrowers decided they were too expensive, then they would not take out the loan. In Wisconsin, that rate happens to be about $20 per hundred borrowed. Maybe YOU don’t like that rate, but the customers aren’t walking away from that rate. They really don’t need your help shopping for a credit product, just like they don’t need your help shopping for a carton of milk.
But you DO realize that there is a certain rate that lenders must charge in order to remain profitable, right? Because you do understand that there are defaults that eat up a lot of profit, right?
More garbage from Ms. Mills: “The proliferation of payday-loan and check-cashing stores, plus the ever-rising number of people who find themselves in a spiral of debt because of them, are symptoms of our nation’s greater financial woes.”
On the contrary, the fact that so many PDL stores exist is a credit to this nation’s spirit of innovation. Prior to payday loans, Ms. Mills, people in need of short-term credit would bounce checks — incurring fees that are higher than those of payday loans. Furthermore, the “spiral of debt” myth is just that — only a tiny minority of people misuse the product in such a manner. It is incumbent upon them to ask their lender for a payment plan, which all CFSA Trade Association Members must offer.
As for check-cashers, the reason they exist is because not everyone wants a bank account. People don’t trust banks — and we see why now, don’t we? Oh, it isn’t just the subprime, exotic mortgages that cratered this nation’s economy. They don’t trust banks because of their hidden fees — fees which payday lenders disclose openly. The fact that Ms. Mills is crazy enough to say, “Beyond proper regulation, we need to start educating vulnerable populations about using more reputable providers like banks and credit unions”, seals my argument that she has not done her research. She’s calling the banks “reputable”? Didn’t I just get through reminding us who caused our financial crisis?
I’ve got news for Ms. Mills, these “reputable” providers are only NOW getting INTO payday loans (Wells Fargo, US Bank, and Fifth Third are offering them now). Maybe it’s because the public got wind of the Nov. 2008 FDIC report that showed banks make almost all their money from overdraft and NSF fees — products that carry higher costs than payday loans.
And finally, I have to correct her on other thing. The 36% rate cap isn’t an issue because of loan term. They’re an issue because that translates to $1.38 in revenue per hundred borrowed. If you’ve done your research, you know a payday lender needs $15 per hundred to even survive.
Finally, we have Dave Zweifel babbling on about the industry hiring lobbyists to protect profits. I should hope so! As companies with a fiduciary duty to shareholders, they must do something to stop The Job Killer from removing this credit option from consumers and killing jobs.
Lobbyists exist to educate legislators and, in this case, save the 3,500 jobs that Job Killer Hintz wants disposed of. The only person here who doesn’t seem to actually care about people in Hintz himself. Otherwise, he wouldn’t be lying to Emily Mills.

















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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackNo one calls Gordon Hintz “the job killer of Wisconsin” but you.
For starters, each of the 3,500 people whose jobs are at risk DO call him the Job Killer of Wisconsin.
So do the people in the state Capitol. You just aren’t listening carefully enough.
He’s also a coward. He’s running a bill designed to kill an industry, put thousands out of work, restrict consumer credit, and showcase himself as the grandstanding political hack that he is — yet he never had the balls to answer the litany of data I sent at his request that showed how wrong he is on the issue.
You got anything else?
“A study by the Department of Financial Institutions showed that the average annual net income of payday borrowers is less than $19,000 and that over half of the loans analyzed were refinanced.”
http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/docs/041504_Veto_AB665.pdf
You haven’t really addressed the main point of my article (which came after my blog posts, and illustrates a change of thinking on my part that you’ve almost completely ignored here).
My final argument is that better regulation of loan terms is far more important than a rate cap. I would rather see legislation dealing with loan term than APR, frankly, and wouldn’t that do a lot to hold the payday loan industry to its own talking points about people paying them back on time? I’d be curious to know how you’d feel about bill that dealt with that.
nohalfsteppin’:
The first thing I notice is this is not a report but a veto explanation from 5 years ago. Since I don’t have the report, I can’t give it a fair analysis. And if I can’t give it a fair analysis, how can Hintz? He waves this paper around as if it is proof — but it isn’t. And how do we know that Gov. Doyle didn’t misread the actual report? I want to see that report, and you should demand to see it, too. Note the language in the letter, “over half of the loans analyzed were refinanced”. Well….exactly WHAT loans were analyzed? Were they a representative sample? Did it cover every loan in the entire state?
I don’t think anyone can draw a valid conclusion from this letter, but I will say this: If there are as many people caught in the alleged cycle of debt, and they eventually default, someone would have to refinance a loan FIVE times for the lender to make any money — because they lose the entire principal.
And then we go back to sensible regulation. To avoid even the possibility of a cycle of debt issue, simply limit the number of loans out a time and the number of refinances.
Many states have enacted sensible terms that allow both lenders and borrowers to get what they want. My suggestion is an amalgamation of many different states’ laws for payday loans:
1) No rate cap — but if there must be one, it should be $17.50 per hundred borrowed per 14 days.
2) Loan term minimum 14 days, maximum to be negotiated between lender and borrower.
3) No more than two loans out at the same time.
4) Any loan that comes to term can be renewed once (maybe twice. I prefer to let the customer determine how long they need the loan for)
5) If loan cannot be repaid on due date, lender must offer payment plan — 25% of principal due every two weeks, plus fees.
6) All lenders must be licensed.
7) Substantial penalties for deceptive advertising, lack of license, failure to abide by law, etc.
With any issue, independent research is always necessary. Lately, the media keeps reporting that legislators at both the state and federal levels have not read bills that they are voting on. When a bill may have the effect of causing mass unemployment, it’s important to think about both sides of an issue. This recession stinks.
And Job Killer Hintz’s bill will do just that. He doesn’t care about the Little Guy or Gal — working at these stores. He wants them out on the street.
So, now the claim-according to Ms. Emily Mills-is that payday loan companies are stealing money from individuals through an act of fraud? Wow-that’s probably the most absurd and diluted statements that I’ve heard about the industry in a while, and I’ve heard a lot. By definition, to fleece is to strip of money or property by fraud or extortion. Whether or not she agrees with the services, the fact is that people use them willingly-not against their will-not at gunpoint-not coerced or lied to. I’m quite certain that if I stood outside of a payday lender for several hours the employees would not forcibly drag me into the location, stuff several hundred dollars into my pockets and then forge my signature on a contract that contains no conditions or terms of payment. I’m going to cherish my right to exercise free will as long as I’m able since those like Ms. Mills and Representative Gordon Hintz seem to want to fight against it. Furthermore, the existence of payday loans is the least of the country’s fiscal dilemmas and suggesting such and using extreme negatives to promote ones opinion makes it very difficult to digest and consider hers. Especially considering the fact that big banks and traditional financial institutions are the ones who set the current financial crisis in motion and were not able to sustain themselves. Payday loans may not be the best choice for everyone who seeks short-term supplemental funds but it should remain as an option for those who use them responsibly. Those of us who take responsibility for our own actions don’t consider ourselves as a “victim” of societal forces.
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Consumers facing a necessary expense and caught short between paydays must often choose between costly and undesirable options: pay the bill now and face bounced check or overdraft protection fees; pay the bill late and incur late penalties; borrow from friends and family; or take out a loan from an unknown Internet lender. Removing one option in today’s environment will only force consumers into more expensive, less desirable and unregulated alternatives. These businesses exist for a reason - if there wasn’t a need for short term credit, they would be out of business. Some regulation is fine but make it fair. Let consumers decide which option is best for them. It is not the governments job to make my financial decisions.
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