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	<title>Comments on: The Unique ID Project.. What should be Unique?</title>
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		<title>By: Krishna</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1476225</link>
		<dc:creator>Krishna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of 12 parameters of UID data mentioned above 10 seems to be unique but photograph and address may change. Photograph as person grows up and ages. Adrees as he relocates. Registration office will verify photograph and address regularly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of 12 parameters of UID data mentioned above 10 seems to be unique but photograph and address may change. Photograph as person grows up and ages. Adrees as he relocates. Registration office will verify photograph and address regularly?</p>
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		<title>By: B.Vijayaraghavan</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1404361</link>
		<dc:creator>B.Vijayaraghavan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UID Project as envisaged by Mr. Nandan requires a through planning first even to arrange the priorities.It is better advised that  the UID is taken for the rural population first since they have NREGS,BPL,bank account details and VOTER ID,Driving Licence, and there are no other data is required to be incorporated.The total turnout numbers also will be significant since the rural population will be very thrifty and they are consious of their responsibilities unlike the urban counterpart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UID Project as envisaged by Mr. Nandan requires a through planning first even to arrange the priorities.It is better advised that  the UID is taken for the rural population first since they have NREGS,BPL,bank account details and VOTER ID,Driving Licence, and there are no other data is required to be incorporated.The total turnout numbers also will be significant since the rural population will be very thrifty and they are consious of their responsibilities unlike the urban counterpart.</p>
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		<title>By: naavi</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1402061</link>
		<dc:creator>naavi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow up article on reasonable security practices is available at http://www.bloggernews.net/122132</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow up article on reasonable security practices is available at <a href="http://www.bloggernews.net/122132" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloggernews.net/122132</a></p>
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		<title>By: naavi</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1400404</link>
		<dc:creator>naavi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1400404</guid>
		<description>Suggestions on "Reasonable Security Practices" for UIDAI are welcome</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suggestions on &#8220;Reasonable Security Practices&#8221; for UIDAI are welcome</p>
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		<title>By: wgcdrkgsharma</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1400111</link>
		<dc:creator>wgcdrkgsharma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1400111</guid>
		<description>The blog is quite thought provaking and has addressed quite agood no of preleminaries which should be looked in to w/o fail'but lacks inside issues of development off uid andits fail proof identies i mean the various securities levels and their authorizations related issues.if this happens and should happen we may see that corruption level ought to come down and a sense of fear for doing any thing wrong in the country must crop up in the mind of doer,is a healthy sign for all of us.quodos for bringing out few legal issues too in the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blog is quite thought provaking and has addressed quite agood no of preleminaries which should be looked in to w/o fail&#8217;but lacks inside issues of development off uid andits fail proof identies i mean the various securities levels and their authorizations related issues.if this happens and should happen we may see that corruption level ought to come down and a sense of fear for doing any thing wrong in the country must crop up in the mind of doer,is a healthy sign for all of us.quodos for bringing out few legal issues too in the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: pkenjale</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1399839</link>
		<dc:creator>pkenjale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1399839</guid>
		<description>WHAT IS UNIQUE?

Just because you can map a tuple of name, address, photograph, etc., to a randomly generated number, this by itself does not make the ID unique.

1. First you need to come out with a SUFFICIENT number of attributes to identify a human being uniquely (and be able to prove it).

2. Next you need to compare ALL of these attributes to the respective attributes of ALL humans currently in the UID data base.

3. Only IF no match is found, THEN you can assign an unused random number to the human, and add the attributes to create the next uniquely identified human.

4. Imagine the data base growing from zero population to the population of India over months / years.  We are talking of hundreds of quadrillion matches. (Any average mathematical person can give you a precise number if you tell him the number of attributes and the relevant attributes of the attributes).

5. The ongoing function of new enrollments, changes and de-enrollments, which needs to continue for ever, will need matching with the entire population base.  In order to do this online (in real time?), it not just a question of having a supercomputer (for none will do).  It is a question of algorithm.

So let's stop wasting time on trivialties.  So far I have heard no one, from top to bottom to the talking heads on TV, even understand and acknowledge the real issues.

Comments, anyone?  (I will be on long flights and ships in Sept., so may not respond to your posts.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT IS UNIQUE?</p>
<p>Just because you can map a tuple of name, address, photograph, etc., to a randomly generated number, this by itself does not make the ID unique.</p>
<p>1. First you need to come out with a SUFFICIENT number of attributes to identify a human being uniquely (and be able to prove it).</p>
<p>2. Next you need to compare ALL of these attributes to the respective attributes of ALL humans currently in the UID data base.</p>
<p>3. Only IF no match is found, THEN you can assign an unused random number to the human, and add the attributes to create the next uniquely identified human.</p>
<p>4. Imagine the data base growing from zero population to the population of India over months / years.  We are talking of hundreds of quadrillion matches. (Any average mathematical person can give you a precise number if you tell him the number of attributes and the relevant attributes of the attributes).</p>
<p>5. The ongoing function of new enrollments, changes and de-enrollments, which needs to continue for ever, will need matching with the entire population base.  In order to do this online (in real time?), it not just a question of having a supercomputer (for none will do).  It is a question of algorithm.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s stop wasting time on trivialties.  So far I have heard no one, from top to bottom to the talking heads on TV, even understand and acknowledge the real issues.</p>
<p>Comments, anyone?  (I will be on long flights and ships in Sept., so may not respond to your posts.)</p>
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		<title>By: pkenjale</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1399832</link>
		<dc:creator>pkenjale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1399832</guid>
		<description>WHO NEEDS A CARD?

Identity is established by:

1. What you have (e. g., a card), the WEAKEST way to identify anyone,

2. What you know (e. g., a password), somewhat better, but not fool-proof, and/or

3. What you are (e. g., fingerprint, iris template, etc., the strongest known methods).

The strongest in the third category is the iris.

So who needs a card, smart or dumb, when there is no known service or transaction which cannot be completed with a simple iris reader connected to the national UID DB, which has the iris template as an attribute, or even as the UID itself.

Inviting comments, especially objections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHO NEEDS A CARD?</p>
<p>Identity is established by:</p>
<p>1. What you have (e. g., a card), the WEAKEST way to identify anyone,</p>
<p>2. What you know (e. g., a password), somewhat better, but not fool-proof, and/or</p>
<p>3. What you are (e. g., fingerprint, iris template, etc., the strongest known methods).</p>
<p>The strongest in the third category is the iris.</p>
<p>So who needs a card, smart or dumb, when there is no known service or transaction which cannot be completed with a simple iris reader connected to the national UID DB, which has the iris template as an attribute, or even as the UID itself.</p>
<p>Inviting comments, especially objections.</p>
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		<title>By: JN Rampal</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1399727</link>
		<dc:creator>JN Rampal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1399727</guid>
		<description>I guess a thought about all possibilities of UID usage must be a starting point for this project. Unless we proceed in 'top down' fashion , the UID data formats will be either some kind of guess work or a copy down of some existing technology. If we can clearly enumerate current and foreseeable applications,  the various fields (and primary/secondary categorization) will follow more easily.

Some representative questions which need be answered before defining various field are,

1. Will UID be push or pull convenience or both? Meaning can an individual show it when she/he wants to demand some service or can a government agency seek to see it? Or both? Can it be automatically identified (interrogated) by an RF device.

2. Will it be used for government purposes only (voting, registrations, security etc) or for commercial purposes also (banking, retail, assurances). 

3. Certain data may not be available (e.g. UID of dead parents) or may be difficult to get (fingerprints of old people are generally inconsistent digital signatures), so what is a sufficient overall person ID signature.  Will this vary with the kind of usage or application?

4. Will the validated UID provide empowerment to individual ? Or can an official still ask for a police verification for a passport renewal or issue of a document or disbursement of individuals entitlement? If this is not intended, we can do with very little of data about the individual.

I am sure the thought process must already be in full swing.

But unless the usage schema is fully charted, this project may not provide the intended effect.

My best wishes. I am looking forward to this project being a grand success.

JN Rampal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess a thought about all possibilities of UID usage must be a starting point for this project. Unless we proceed in &#8216;top down&#8217; fashion , the UID data formats will be either some kind of guess work or a copy down of some existing technology. If we can clearly enumerate current and foreseeable applications,  the various fields (and primary/secondary categorization) will follow more easily.</p>
<p>Some representative questions which need be answered before defining various field are,</p>
<p>1. Will UID be push or pull convenience or both? Meaning can an individual show it when she/he wants to demand some service or can a government agency seek to see it? Or both? Can it be automatically identified (interrogated) by an RF device.</p>
<p>2. Will it be used for government purposes only (voting, registrations, security etc) or for commercial purposes also (banking, retail, assurances). </p>
<p>3. Certain data may not be available (e.g. UID of dead parents) or may be difficult to get (fingerprints of old people are generally inconsistent digital signatures), so what is a sufficient overall person ID signature.  Will this vary with the kind of usage or application?</p>
<p>4. Will the validated UID provide empowerment to individual ? Or can an official still ask for a police verification for a passport renewal or issue of a document or disbursement of individuals entitlement? If this is not intended, we can do with very little of data about the individual.</p>
<p>I am sure the thought process must already be in full swing.</p>
<p>But unless the usage schema is fully charted, this project may not provide the intended effect.</p>
<p>My best wishes. I am looking forward to this project being a grand success.</p>
<p>JN Rampal</p>
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		<title>By: Dilip Kumar Sen</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1399592</link>
		<dc:creator>Dilip Kumar Sen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unique indicates the original database free from any duplication in any way. It is the absolutely new  database of the persons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unique indicates the original database free from any duplication in any way. It is the absolutely new  database of the persons.</p>
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		<title>By: Dilip Kumar Sen</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/122056#comment-1399582</link>
		<dc:creator>Dilip Kumar Sen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please make sure that those who are just born,unknown and unidentified have the opportunity to have the identity proof acceptable to the government for participation in the government's public distribution programme and for availing benefits of right to free education upto the age of 14. Those who are already identified by virtue of being a voter or having a serious parent to live with, should have to wait for new UID number as their identities are already in the government's custody. The main aim of the UID project is to guarantee the enjoyment of best childhood life to the unknown and unidentified millions who are mostly dependent on the mercy of the wealthy donors or otherwise.Though it is a herculean task to organise the database of above hapless children, but this will give utmost satisfaction to the identification authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please make sure that those who are just born,unknown and unidentified have the opportunity to have the identity proof acceptable to the government for participation in the government&#8217;s public distribution programme and for availing benefits of right to free education upto the age of 14. Those who are already identified by virtue of being a voter or having a serious parent to live with, should have to wait for new UID number as their identities are already in the government&#8217;s custody. The main aim of the UID project is to guarantee the enjoyment of best childhood life to the unknown and unidentified millions who are mostly dependent on the mercy of the wealthy donors or otherwise.Though it is a herculean task to organise the database of above hapless children, but this will give utmost satisfaction to the identification authority.</p>
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