Comments on: The 9/11 terrorists have won http://www.bloggernews.net/121938 High-quality English language analysis and editorial writing on the news. Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:31:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: CaptainReality http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1562945 CaptainReality Sun, 04 Apr 2010 01:42:13 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1562945 America has fallen, and it can't get up. It's now rolling about, pooing its pants and wailing about how unfair the world is. Lets look at facts: 1. America is effectively bankrupt. You spent trillions on 2 wars while giving your population a tax cut. You then gave trillions to the criminals in your banking sector, and have invited them to take even more from you. 2. You have less freedom than any time in your history, including when you were under the British. America is the country where 12 year old girls are handcuffed by police for doodling on their desk in erasable marker. Everything for the common man is 'zero-tolerance', while the rich and connected can get away with stealing billions, hit-and-runs of pregnant women, and such. 3. Your industrial capacity is gone. You sold it to China in exchange for cheap plastic junk. One of these years the Chinese will overtake you both economically and militarily, and you'll be nothing but a bankrupt ex-superpower with no ability to actually make anything; like Russia. The world in ten years: the value of the US dollar will have collapsed. Other countries will have switched to other currencies for trade, thus forcing the US to actually pay its debts. This will cause the US to be incapable of supporting its military. The enormous obligations of the US government will cause it to print money on a massive scale, resulting in hyperinflation and large-scale unemployment. In order to quell social unrest, the police forces of the USA will become even more militaristic and jails will become larger. More and more of your freedoms will be removed because allowing freedom will 'destabilise' your government. Basically, you're stuffed. And you did it to yourselves. Ha ha! America has fallen, and it can’t get up. It’s now rolling about, pooing its pants and wailing about how unfair the world is.

Lets look at facts:
1. America is effectively bankrupt. You spent trillions on 2 wars while giving your population a tax cut. You then gave trillions to the criminals in your banking sector, and have invited them to take even more from you.

2. You have less freedom than any time in your history, including when you were under the British. America is the country where 12 year old girls are handcuffed by police for doodling on their desk in erasable marker. Everything for the common man is ‘zero-tolerance’, while the rich and connected can get away with stealing billions, hit-and-runs of pregnant women, and such.

3. Your industrial capacity is gone. You sold it to China in exchange for cheap plastic junk. One of these years the Chinese will overtake you both economically and militarily, and you’ll be nothing but a bankrupt ex-superpower with no ability to actually make anything; like Russia.

The world in ten years: the value of the US dollar will have collapsed. Other countries will have switched to other currencies for trade, thus forcing the US to actually pay its debts. This will cause the US to be incapable of supporting its military. The enormous obligations of the US government will cause it to print money on a massive scale, resulting in hyperinflation and large-scale unemployment. In order to quell social unrest, the police forces of the USA will become even more militaristic and jails will become larger. More and more of your freedoms will be removed because allowing freedom will ‘destabilise’ your government.

Basically, you’re stuffed. And you did it to yourselves. Ha ha!

]]> By: Paddy Briggs http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1395628 Paddy Briggs Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:27:06 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1395628 m2c Well said and d'accord ! m2c

Well said and d’accord !

]]> By: m2c http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1392522 m2c Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:10:30 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1392522 Well, "I Agree" at 7::08 8/18 - Someone must be impersonating me because I don't post "all over this site." And have only left comments of a political nature a couple of times. None have been in support of Obama but some have expressed my disgust with Bush. Those are not the same thing, by the way - except to the other kind of people who disgust me and those are the "poor losers" and political fanatics who DO NOT THINK -meaning do not think with an open mind. Those are the people who will spout anything FOR their party/religion/whatever and anything AGAINST the other party/religion/whatever whether it's true or the right thing to do or not. Their "side" just has to be correct about everything all the time and the other side wrong. I do not admire Reps who do this OR Dems. I do not admire Christians who do this OR the Muslims who believe all infidels must die. And I do not admire a few commenters on this blog who seem to be doing the same thing. Well, “I Agree” at 7::08 8/18 - Someone must be impersonating me because I don’t post “all over this site.” And have only left comments of a political nature a couple of times. None have been in support of Obama but some have expressed my disgust with Bush. Those are not the same thing, by the way - except to the other kind of people who disgust me and those are the “poor losers” and political fanatics who DO NOT THINK -meaning do not think with an open mind.
Those are the people who will spout anything FOR their party/religion/whatever and anything AGAINST the other party/religion/whatever whether it’s true or the right thing to do or not. Their “side” just has to be correct about everything all the time and the other side wrong. I do not admire Reps who do this OR Dems. I do not admire Christians who do this OR the Muslims who believe all infidels must die. And I do not admire a few commenters on this blog who seem to be doing the same thing.

]]> By: Paddy Briggs http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1389309 Paddy Briggs Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:54:16 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1389309 The reason that we went into Afghanistan originally was to hunt down the 9/11 mob and capture or kill bin Laden and his band of thugs. We and the rest of the (now) NATO forces have failed to do this. A necessary condition of getting at "Al-Qaeda” (although that is far too simplistic a descriptor of them) was to overthrow the Taliban which, ghastly though they are, was the de facto Government of the country (regime change). As in Vietnam all those years ago finally defeating a guerrilla army like the Taliban in a country as large as Afghanistan is nigh on impossible. Meanwhile the new “legitimate” Government of Afghanistan has happily used NATO to protect them whilst they seek to legitimise themselves in the eyes of the population – many (most?) of whom are Taliban sympathisers. So they start to do some of the things that the Taliban did – as in this case. We are stuck. Of course we cannot withdraw because that would say that we have lost and that our boys have died in vain (shades of Vietnam again) so we have to have a military surge (more deaths) which probably won’t succeed. The Vietnam comparison will apply also eventually to the end of this sorry adventure. NATO and the Afghan government will have to sit down with the Taliban just as the US had to sit down with the Vietcong. The outcome will be a NATO withdrawal and within a short space of time there will be a brief civil war in Afghanistan out of which a Taliban type of government will emerge. In the meantime Bin Laden will stay in his cave laughing himself hoarse… The reason that we went into Afghanistan originally was to hunt down the 9/11 mob and capture or kill bin Laden and his band of thugs. We and the rest of the (now) NATO forces have failed to do this. A necessary condition of getting at “Al-Qaeda” (although that is far too simplistic a descriptor of them) was to overthrow the Taliban which, ghastly though they are, was the de facto Government of the country (regime change).

As in Vietnam all those years ago finally defeating a guerrilla army like the Taliban in a country as large as Afghanistan is nigh on impossible. Meanwhile the new “legitimate” Government of Afghanistan has happily used NATO to protect them whilst they seek to legitimise themselves in the eyes of the population – many (most?) of whom are Taliban sympathisers. So they start to do some of the things that the Taliban did – as in this case.

We are stuck. Of course we cannot withdraw because that would say that we have lost and that our boys have died in vain (shades of Vietnam again) so we have to have a military surge (more deaths) which probably won’t succeed. The Vietnam comparison will apply also eventually to the end of this sorry adventure. NATO and the Afghan government will have to sit down with the Taliban just as the US had to sit down with the Vietcong. The outcome will be a NATO withdrawal and within a short space of time there will be a brief civil war in Afghanistan out of which a Taliban type of government will emerge. In the meantime Bin Laden will stay in his cave laughing himself hoarse…

]]> By: Trapper http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1389253 Trapper Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:00:22 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1389253 Yeah Right, Cuba is third world but Gitmo is U.S. soil as long as we have the 100 year lease!! Yeah Right, Cuba is third world but Gitmo is U.S. soil as long as we have the 100 year lease!!

]]> By: Yeah Right http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1388947 Yeah Right Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:10:54 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1388947 Cuba is third world. But youre right Bush is the Libs way out. Bush didn't shake hands with Castro or Chavez. Obama did, communist! Cuba is third world.

But youre right Bush is the Libs way out.

Bush didn’t shake hands with Castro or Chavez. Obama did, communist!

]]> By: EliasDavidsson http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1388800 EliasDavidsson Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:21:03 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1388800 You make the following claims: "The objectives of Mohamed Atta and his accomplices were comparatively simple – to cause the maximum damage to the United States, kill as many of its citizens as possible and to become, in the eyes of his Muslim extremist ideological brothers, a martyr and a hero. He achieved what he set out to do." Let us examine better your claims: 1. If Atta wanted to "kill as many of US citizens as possible" he would not have chosen 8:45 AM - before most employees and tourists entered the North Tower - to crash his plane, but would have chosen a later hour, where he could have killed 10 times more people. So this claim is tenuous. 2. In Islam no one is considered a martyr and a hero who deliberately sets to kill innocent people. If Atta was a real Muslim, he would have known this basic fact. 3. There is no evidence, anyhow, that Mohamed Atta boarded flight AA11. His name does not figure on any authenticated passenger list; his boarding card has never been produced; no one saw him in Logan airport; there is no CCTV recording of him at Logan; and his bodily remains were not identified at the crash site. I will spare readers an analysis of all other unsubstantiated claims by the author. You make the following claims: “The objectives of Mohamed Atta and his accomplices were comparatively simple – to cause the maximum damage to the United States, kill as many of its citizens as possible and to become, in the eyes of his Muslim extremist ideological brothers, a martyr and a hero. He achieved what he set out to do.”

Let us examine better your claims:
1. If Atta wanted to “kill as many of US citizens as possible” he would not have chosen 8:45 AM - before most employees and tourists entered the North Tower - to crash his plane, but would have chosen a later hour, where he could have killed 10 times more people. So this claim is tenuous.
2. In Islam no one is considered a martyr and a hero who deliberately sets to kill innocent people. If Atta was a real Muslim, he would have known this basic fact.
3. There is no evidence, anyhow, that Mohamed Atta boarded flight AA11. His name does not figure on any authenticated passenger list; his boarding card has never been produced; no one saw him in Logan airport; there is no CCTV recording of him at Logan; and his bodily remains were not identified at the crash site.

I will spare readers an analysis of all other unsubstantiated claims by the author.

]]> By: TRAPPER http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1388785 TRAPPER Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:11:20 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1388785 Never will be peace between Arabs and Israel, one side has to die. The 60 year problem that they have has nothing to do with the war on terrorists. No Guantanamo, OK, send them to a 3rd. world country and they will be dead in 2 weeks. As for the war on terrorists, you have no idea what has been done and what is being done by the US at this time, it would open your eyes. Lay all of the woes of the world on Bush, easy way out for Libs. Never will be peace between Arabs and Israel, one side has to die. The 60 year problem that they have has nothing to do with the war on terrorists. No Guantanamo, OK, send them to a 3rd. world country and they will be dead in 2 weeks. As for the war on terrorists, you have no idea what has been done and what is being done by the US at this time, it would open your eyes. Lay all of the woes of the world on Bush, easy way out for Libs.

]]> By: I Agree http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1388110 I Agree Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:08:36 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1388110 Yeah Right, I agree with you! I cannot possibly begin to understand how these people believe that Obama is NOT destroying our country and all that it has stood for since it was born. But, it does say a lot about m2c....I read her dribble everywhere on this site, she/he and her words are, in my honest opinion, the epitome of why our country will be destroyed and quickly. Yeah Right, I agree with you! I cannot possibly begin to understand how these people believe that Obama is NOT destroying our country and all that it has stood for since it was born. But, it does say a lot about m2c….I read her dribble everywhere on this site, she/he and her words are, in my honest opinion, the epitome of why our country will be destroyed and quickly.

]]> By: Cooter http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1387746 Cooter Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:26:11 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1387746 Yeah Right, your serious aren't you? We returned the favor three-fold? One of their leaders was sentenced to death in his own country? It's time to do your homework. Obama had nothing to do with any of that. Of the 19 terrorist how many were from Saudi Arabia? You know the country the guy Bush use to hold hands with and walk in the garden. I think they were talking about the loans Bush personally got from them BEFORE he stole an election. Where's our missing $9B in cash! Yeah Right, your serious aren’t you? We returned the favor three-fold? One of their leaders was sentenced to death in his own country? It’s time to do your homework. Obama had nothing to do with any of that. Of the 19 terrorist how many were from Saudi Arabia? You know the country the guy Bush use to hold hands with and walk in the garden. I think they were talking about the loans Bush personally got from them BEFORE he stole an election. Where’s our missing $9B in cash!

]]> By: m2c http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1387480 m2c Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:44:41 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1387480 "Yeah Right" you are SO WRONG! First, I think Bush should be charged with treason. What other president has done more harm to this country - in so very many ways? Second, right after 9/11 most of the world- (individuals as well as countries) including non-friendlies and even enemies were extending friendship. As usual Bush missed the opportunity to make something postive happen in the world and proceeded to make even more enemies of the US. With the world-wide help that was available to the U.S. right after 9/11 we would have been much more successful in rooting out real terrorists instead of bombing a country to pieces because of a "lie." And a lot fewer innocent people - including members of our Armed Forces - would have died. The stupid jerk made the worst move possible and it's still costing us in every way. I am an ardent supporter of our troops and that's why I care that they are never sent on another wild goose chase or to a war when other means would have been much more productive. Bush made America into the Bad Guy in the eyes of the world when he had the PERFECT opportunity to make us the "Good Guys" (which we would be if it weren't for him and his cronies and people of the same mind - like you - right now). “Yeah Right” you are SO WRONG! First, I think Bush should be charged with treason. What other president has done more harm to this country - in so very many ways?
Second, right after 9/11 most of the world- (individuals as well as countries) including non-friendlies and even enemies were extending friendship. As usual Bush missed the opportunity to make something postive happen in the world and proceeded to make even more enemies of the US.
With the world-wide help that was available to the U.S. right after 9/11 we would have been much more successful in rooting out real terrorists instead of bombing a country to pieces because of a “lie.” And a lot fewer innocent people - including members of our Armed Forces - would have died. The stupid jerk made the worst move possible and it’s still costing us in every way.
I am an ardent supporter of our troops and that’s why I care that they are never sent on another wild goose chase or to a war when other means would have been much more productive.
Bush made America into the Bad Guy in the eyes of the world when he had the PERFECT opportunity to make us the “Good Guys” (which we would be if it weren’t for him and his cronies and people of the same mind - like you - right now).

]]> By: Yeah Right http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1387200 Yeah Right Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:25:39 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1387200 The terrorist did not win. If you think about it right after the 911 occurance we went to war returning the favor three fold. One of their leaders charged and sentenced to death in his own country. Many of terrerorist cells were found and destroyed. Hundreds of known practicing terrorists were arrested. plus their countries are now electing their own leaders. All cause of Bush. If we lost to the terrorist it's with our new pillow bitting president who wants to visit communist nations and shake hands with their leaders. Then he compliments them on being "alright guys". We lost the war on terror when we elected Obama! The terrorist did not win.

If you think about it right after the 911 occurance we went to war returning the favor three fold. One of their leaders charged and sentenced to death in his own country. Many of terrerorist cells were found and destroyed. Hundreds of known practicing terrorists were arrested. plus their countries are now electing their own leaders. All cause of Bush. If we lost to the terrorist it’s with our new pillow bitting president who wants to visit communist nations and shake hands with their leaders. Then he compliments them on being “alright guys”.

We lost the war on terror when we elected Obama!

]]> By: Zodiac12 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1386941 Zodiac12 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:22:18 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/121938#comment-1386941 The problem with this article is that it's only half right. The second half, in fact. Why? Well even the previous administration of dangerous psychopaths conceded, unaided, that bin Laden held no responsibility for the 9/11 atrocity. Saddam Hussein wasn't responsible. So who was. Of the nineteen alleged high-jackers half a dozen or so are demonstrably still alive. Ask the BBC, they have interviewed some. So, we have a situation where nobody appears to have been proven to have committed an outrage that killed nearly three thousand people from many countries in NYC and we have set the muslim world allight. The 9/11 'terrorists' have won but not in the way the article suggests. The problem with this article is that it’s only half right. The second half, in fact. Why? Well even the previous administration of dangerous psychopaths conceded, unaided, that bin Laden held no responsibility for the 9/11 atrocity. Saddam Hussein wasn’t responsible. So who was. Of the nineteen alleged high-jackers half a dozen or so are demonstrably still alive. Ask the BBC, they have interviewed some. So, we have a situation where nobody appears to have been proven to have committed an outrage that killed nearly three thousand people from many countries in NYC and we have set the muslim world allight. The 9/11 ‘terrorists’ have won but not in the way the article suggests.

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