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	<title>Comments on: Payday Loans: Calling Out Josh Kalven</title>
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		<title>By: Big Brother Too</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1308879</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Brother Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your arguments are always valid, relevant and well thought out.  Studies continue to show that short-term loans, when used responsibly, do more good than harm and allow individuals to remain in good standing with their creditors.  Those who oppose the industry are extremely inconsistent with their reasons for wanting to lower the interest rate in such a manner that it will disable the entire industry.  In addition, when a reason is given, there is hardly ever concrete evidence to prove their position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your arguments are always valid, relevant and well thought out.  Studies continue to show that short-term loans, when used responsibly, do more good than harm and allow individuals to remain in good standing with their creditors.  Those who oppose the industry are extremely inconsistent with their reasons for wanting to lower the interest rate in such a manner that it will disable the entire industry.  In addition, when a reason is given, there is hardly ever concrete evidence to prove their position.</p>
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		<title>By: PDL Industry Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1308421</link>
		<dc:creator>PDL Industry Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1308421</guid>
		<description>@ Josh, Linda Deforge has written articles on Progress Illinois and she allowed my comments.  I give her a lot of credit.  

You, on the other hand, find any reason not to publish comments that question any point you bring up in your posts.  

You are a censor.  Some idiot leaves a completely slanderous comment about the industry and you allow it, but God forbid it contradicts what you're saying.  

As far as Lawrence being in the industry.  Why is that a bad thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Josh, Linda Deforge has written articles on Progress Illinois and she allowed my comments.  I give her a lot of credit.  </p>
<p>You, on the other hand, find any reason not to publish comments that question any point you bring up in your posts.  </p>
<p>You are a censor.  Some idiot leaves a completely slanderous comment about the industry and you allow it, but God forbid it contradicts what you&#8217;re saying.  </p>
<p>As far as Lawrence being in the industry.  Why is that a bad thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Meyers</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1308397</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1308397</guid>
		<description>And readers can check out my reply here:

http://www.bloggernews.net/121368</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And readers can check out my reply here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloggernews.net/121368" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloggernews.net/121368</a></p>
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		<title>By: J. Kalven</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1307939</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Kalven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1307939</guid>
		<description>First, I'd like to address the "censor" accusation.  If you look over our entire archive of payday-loan-related coverage, you'll see that we've posted countless comments defending the industry:

http://www.progressillinois.com/taxonomy/term/260

PDL, if your post was blocked or unpublished, it's because you violated our comments policy in one way or another.  You weren't "censored."

Second, I take issue with the idea that I'm uneducated about how payday loans work.  I've studied them closely and acknowledge that they can be a useful tool for certain consumers in certain situations. But I also believe that their impact as a whole represents a net negative.  

I'm not looking at this issue in a vacuum either.  I view these types of financial products as the extreme byproduct of the decision in the late 70s to lift the cap on U.S. interest rates. That shift has gradually caused great destruction in the decades since (see the mortgage crisis).  Payday loans represent just one element of the larger problem. 

I'd like to see the U.S. banking system return to the days when we lent money based on one's ability to repay, rather than models that take advantage of desperation or financial inexperience.  I don't believe that credit should be available to anyone and everyone.  Until 30 years ago, neither did most banks and lenders in this country. 

That being said, I agree that bounced check penalties and credit card cash advance fees are equally pernicious.  I believe those institutions should be better regulated as well.

Finally, if "intellectual honesty" is the issue here, Mr. Meyers should probably disclose his professional connections to the industry when writing on the topic:

http://www.bloggernews.net/115609

It strikes me as interesting that so many of those I see defending the payday loan industry online are benefiting personally from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I&#8217;d like to address the &#8220;censor&#8221; accusation.  If you look over our entire archive of payday-loan-related coverage, you&#8217;ll see that we&#8217;ve posted countless comments defending the industry:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.progressillinois.com/taxonomy/term/260" rel="nofollow">http://www.progressillinois.com/taxonomy/term/260</a></p>
<p>PDL, if your post was blocked or unpublished, it&#8217;s because you violated our comments policy in one way or another.  You weren&#8217;t &#8220;censored.&#8221;</p>
<p>Second, I take issue with the idea that I&#8217;m uneducated about how payday loans work.  I&#8217;ve studied them closely and acknowledge that they can be a useful tool for certain consumers in certain situations. But I also believe that their impact as a whole represents a net negative.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not looking at this issue in a vacuum either.  I view these types of financial products as the extreme byproduct of the decision in the late 70s to lift the cap on U.S. interest rates. That shift has gradually caused great destruction in the decades since (see the mortgage crisis).  Payday loans represent just one element of the larger problem. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see the U.S. banking system return to the days when we lent money based on one&#8217;s ability to repay, rather than models that take advantage of desperation or financial inexperience.  I don&#8217;t believe that credit should be available to anyone and everyone.  Until 30 years ago, neither did most banks and lenders in this country. </p>
<p>That being said, I agree that bounced check penalties and credit card cash advance fees are equally pernicious.  I believe those institutions should be better regulated as well.</p>
<p>Finally, if &#8220;intellectual honesty&#8221; is the issue here, Mr. Meyers should probably disclose his professional connections to the industry when writing on the topic:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloggernews.net/115609" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloggernews.net/115609</a></p>
<p>It strikes me as interesting that so many of those I see defending the payday loan industry online are benefiting personally from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Meyers</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1307803</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1307803</guid>
		<description>Yes, PDL Blog, Kalven is not only a coward, but the worst kind of blogger -- a censor.

It's the kind of shameful behavior that makes one wonder why he's even given a voice.

Still hasn't responded to me, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, PDL Blog, Kalven is not only a coward, but the worst kind of blogger &#8212; a censor.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the kind of shameful behavior that makes one wonder why he&#8217;s even given a voice.</p>
<p>Still hasn&#8217;t responded to me, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: PDL Industry Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1307719</link>
		<dc:creator>PDL Industry Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1307719</guid>
		<description>Lawrence, I totally agree with the points you make.  The breakdown of options you give are insightful. 

People, like Josh, don't even want to listen to it.  They think that they are "good" and people that do not agree with them are "bad".  The facts never surface with his articles.  He's just taking the moral high ground all the time.    

I'll also add that I try and leave multiple posts on Josh's Progress Illinois site articles and he blocks all of them.  He's a total censor.  If you're going to bash something, at the very least allow the other half to have their say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawrence, I totally agree with the points you make.  The breakdown of options you give are insightful. </p>
<p>People, like Josh, don&#8217;t even want to listen to it.  They think that they are &#8220;good&#8221; and people that do not agree with them are &#8220;bad&#8221;.  The facts never surface with his articles.  He&#8217;s just taking the moral high ground all the time.    </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also add that I try and leave multiple posts on Josh&#8217;s Progress Illinois site articles and he blocks all of them.  He&#8217;s a total censor.  If you&#8217;re going to bash something, at the very least allow the other half to have their say.</p>
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		<title>By: foster</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1307608</link>
		<dc:creator>foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see reasonable regulation of payday lending but not the type the do gooders who don't use the service want to do!  They only want to see this industry gone.  And that only hurts those that need it most.  No one wins when options dry up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see reasonable regulation of payday lending but not the type the do gooders who don&#8217;t use the service want to do!  They only want to see this industry gone.  And that only hurts those that need it most.  No one wins when options dry up!</p>
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		<title>By: Pay Day Lender</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1307527</link>
		<dc:creator>Pay Day Lender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/121344#comment-1307527</guid>
		<description>Regulating the industry would only hurt the consumer. Payday lending is often the cheapest loan option because they only need quick loans to live between paydays. We do not want to force consumers into other alternatives that either cost more or carry more damaging risks than the low fee of payday lending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regulating the industry would only hurt the consumer. Payday lending is often the cheapest loan option because they only need quick loans to live between paydays. We do not want to force consumers into other alternatives that either cost more or carry more damaging risks than the low fee of payday lending.</p>
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