This case has been dragging on for almost two years. Jan and I have only been involved for a couple of weeks, and we are mortified by it. If you have never heard the name Aaliyah Bedwell, make sure that your seat belts are firmly fastened and your seat trays are in the upright and locked position, because this story is going to explode in the next few days. If you are not familiar with it, do a Google News search on Aaliyah Bedwell.
Today’s news is hot. It seems that the lawyer for Dustin Thompson scheduled an emergency Ex-Parte hearing on Wednesday, there was no time for Connie Bedwell to get to the court room, and her Lawyer Ronald Britt was given mere minutes. Lawyer Sandra Amara was out for blood. But Sandy did not score all she wanted. Amara was looking to cut off the mothers visitation rights completely. That request was denied, however the gag order on mother Connie was made even more onerous. She now seriously faces jail for talking to the press or posting anything online. At the center of Amara’s argument is a web site saveaaleigh.com, a site that is not run by any Bedwell family member. And Connie has no control over what is said on there.
Amara apparently turned up with a big stack of print outs from the site, and also from Blogger News. I am so excited to think of the amount of money Amara is spending on paper and toner for her printer. I’ll bet it is listed as a line item in her bill to Dustin Thompson.
The new gag order is so ridiculous it defies definition.
The new Judge did not however uphold the zero visitation idea and decided to keep the status quo.
Lets fast forward to today. Connie Bedwell had a one hour supervised visitation scheduled. Oh, and she pays $100 per visit. In fact I am convinced that Jan and I are in the wrong business, at $100 an hour we could be making a lot more money than we are now! Even just scheduling one a day!
Connie turned up for her visitation and was turned away. In fact she was yelled at. Oh, one has to love Placer County. We are still investigating, but the rumor mill, and we have the best sources, are telling me that this particular facility is operated by, oh you will love this, a Placer County attorney! More details to follow.
Well Placer County, all I can say is the Bogey man has you in its sights.
Pretty soon Placer County officials are going to be pig sick of the name Aaliyah Bedwell. It is going to be discussed again on btls again tomorrow, terrestrial radio for 4 hours, and then Sirius for another 4 hours.
Sandra Amara, I know you will read this article, it is time you moved from the ‘no comment’ position. We are not going away, in fact we are just starting! There are more media folks perking their ears up. So just imagine being in Palm Springs, it is 120 outside, the AC is broken, and you are in the kitchen with the oven and all four burners on.
I also found out some background information about Dustin Thompson that gave me pause for thought. Apparently while still in high school he turned up drunk, beat the crap out of someone, but even though he was 18 at the time, the court records are sealed. The only confirmation we can find is that indeed he was expelled from the school.
The rumors of drugs and alcohol abound. But I will save that for later when I have more proof.
Don’t mess with the press!
Simon and Jan Barrett
P.S. We are not Batman and Bat Girl, but we dig until we get answers.
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackWhy was connie turned away???? The judge did not rescind her visitation, she should be allowed visitation! What was the reason she was turned away? I’m off to write a new batch of letters, it would help to know the reason she was given if you know.
These people think they can rewrite and break court orders to suit their needs.
If Connie has court papers to allow her to see her child, this person that turned her away “yelling” should be held in contempt of court. This is so ridiculous. This 3 ring circus of corruption needs to end.
The Governor’s office needs to shut this system down until an investigation is done.
Ok, now I am freaking PISSED! Ok lady, you have now ticked off the wrong person! I will not stop until all of you are behind bars!
Anyone who stands behind this “father” is enabling abuse. I know the laws of enabling abuse, and I will be making damned sure that EVERYONE that enables this abuser to spend the next 30 freaking years in prison! Have fun trying to stop me! I am so freaking angry that these people are NOT taking the welfare of this child SERIOUSLY! Good luck to you!
I don’t even know what to make of this development. Did the father even bring her to the visitation? Or was the baby there and the mother just denied visitation? This makes no sense at all that these people think they can do this with no repercussions at all. Clearly there hever has been any so they have no fear that there will be any now.
Talina, EXACTLY! That’s why this “father” keeps doing what he’s doing! I am so flipping mad!
I’m wondering if this is the first time this has happened.
OH, we are just starting. Wait for tomorrow. We have Placer County with their feet to the fire. Tomorrow they are going to hate us!
And anyone from Placer County that (just) happens to stumble on this story, throwing Connie in jail, is going to really hurt your ability to collect your pension. I believe that if you are found guilty of a federal offense all bets are off.
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I am so beside myself. I just can’t believe this is happening within my own community. I’ve tried to reach out to officials here, as a Placer County resident, suggesting that it is time for Placer County to STAND UP and do what is right. No replies.
007, no surprise, no surprise. I wish I was there.
If anyone from the Bedwell family is here tonight, I suggested a week ago to someone, I can’t remember who, but to get EVEYRONE you know and start a protest. Protest in front of the courthouse, APD, CPS and now this freaking lady’s supervised visit thing! PROTEST!!!!!!!!!
The more you stir, the more it stinks. This is the most outrageous act by Amara to date. Oh wait or was that yesterday, when Amara shceduled an emergency hearing. Such an emergency Connie didn’t even know about it!!!
Placer county thinks they can get away with anything!
Aaliyah looks forward to her visits with her mother. You are beyond cruel! How dare you deny her visitation. Well now daddy has taken away the ONE happy time in Aaliyah’s life. I ask you, WHO is really being hurt here???? Dustin YOU are heartless and inhuman, which actually seem to be your good points.
Amara how does it feel to win all your cases? Must be hollow victories. You don’t win because you are a skilled attorney. No your success comes from being the wife of ONE of ONLY TWO family court judges in the county!!!
How far up does this corruption go? That judge should be removed from office. Amara I am going to write the state bar association about you. The actions and conduct you have engaged in are unconscionable!!!
It is only thru you that your client has been able to continue to abuse this child. You are using your law degree and your marriage with the judge to violate a mother and child.
The world is not going away, your little club is being exposed. Connie Bedwell is NOT running this show. She could NOT stop us if she tried. If I were a member of the inner circle I would be worried. We want to know who and how badly others have been railroaded in Placer county. Maybe I will get a PO Box and ask people to write and tell us how they were denied justice.
You come on this site and try and plant seeds of doubt. You outright lie about this case. You made fun of all the little people who are standing up to you. Guess what, a mass of little people can create one very LOUD voice. You didn’t count on so many people caring about this child, did you? Grab a chair folks, you are in for a bumpy ride.
Thank you all for your support. KarenCCC and AnneA I am in total agreement with both of you regarding what complete BS the last few days have been. This is the kind of crap that we have been dealing with for the past 2 years. You can’t even imagine how angry I am right now!!!
Simon and Jan - thank you so much for everything that you have been doing to help. You are awesome!!
I really can’t wait to see Ms. Amara fall off of her high horse once all of the shady dealings in Placer County have been uncovered. That is a show that I wouldn’t miss for the world!! I hope that she enjoys her remaining days as the queen of our fair family court system.
I am finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel - thanks to all of you wonderful people who have spent so much time trying to give Aaliyah a voice. I know that when Aaliyah grows up she will be proud of how hard her family and all of you fought to save her. I’m sure she will feel that people “knowing her story” is a small price to pay for still being alive and not being sexually and physically abused by her “father”.
xoxo
It seems to me this started out as a request for an investigation and justice. We all agreed which ever parent was guilty, needs to be prosecuted for every crime committed. Request were denied, so we began to demand an investigation and justice. Again its denied.
One chiid was at the center of all this.
Now this case is so much more. Our very way of life in America is in jeopardy. This nation was built on principals and truths. All citizens are promised certain rights. Placer county thinks they are above even our constitution. They are not. Even the President of the United States is accountable.
To the Bedwell family, I would like to say thank you. You have brought some important issues to light. Men have fought and died to uphold the freedom’s we have in this country. Placer county is NOT going to keep running rough shod over the people NOT in the inner circle.
Several agencies need to be contacted. I think we should start with the ACLU. Not even Placer county has the right to take rights from citizens. I will spend tomorrow on the phone. I will get all addresses and agencies who may be instrumental. Placer county needs to be taken down and rebuilt with public servants who have just a thread of honesty in them. From the police department to the mayor, this county needs a make over!
FOR THE RECORD: TO THOSE WHO WANT TO PUT CONNIE BEDWELL IN JAIL FOR GOING AGAINST A COURT ORDER ( AS ILLEGAL AS IT IS ) YOU ARE FOOLS. CONNIE BEDWELL HAS NEVER WRITTEN TO ANYONE ON THIS BLOG. ALL COMMUNICATIONS HAVE BEEN BETWEEN THE FAMILY AND BLOGGERS. NOT EVEN PLACER COUNTY CAN COME UP WITH EVIDENCE AGAINST CONNIE. IT DON’T EXIST. SHE ISN’T GUILTY.
Sarah, you are so right: “she will feel that people “knowing her story” is a small price to pay for still being alive and not being sexually and physically abused by her “father”.”
Footnote to Simon:
I will be the first to say that Dustin’s drunken capers are things of legend. People who know him (and/or went to school with him) know what he is capable of. That fight that you mentioned above was a particularly bad one. The boy was injured pretty seriously - blood was all over the ground. It took 8 grown men to pull Dustin off of the boy and they had to handcuff him to a tree and wait for him to calm down.
BTW, a friend of mine who still lives in Auburn mentioned to me that he is still a regular at the bars - almost on a nightly basis. Glad to see the court ordered drug and alcohol tests had an impact on his life. Oh, that’s right, they were never enforced…..
Many folks had doubts about the validity of the accusations against daddy. The Bedwells don’t have to prove the father is guilty as sin. Daddy and his attorney/judge are doing a fine job of proving the allegations are true. Nobody innocent is this desperate to shut the accuser up. Oh there is truth on Connie’s side and now even people who doubted are believing the story. There is NO lengths daddy and his clan won’t and haven’t gone to. They want all of us to shut up and go away. Guess what,
You’re all big enough for your wants not to hurt you.
Simon and Jan, great work, I would also like to acknowledge the perp who visited my you tube with the nice comment, um hm, In the famous words of a Mr. Cash, that’s Johnny folks, “I hear a train a coming”!
Put Placer in the radar, and rip the brakes off! They are lining up within the cross hairs now!
Not only could you not stop this story now, you are only hurting your chances at a plea when this hits the media, I wonder if that attorney (lady) would stand a chance against Stansel or Grace?
Oh that is right we won’t have to wait long Soon, we will all get to see your performance on t.v. live, I hope to see the handcuffs on everyone involved and with the same pursuit we ran after this, to let the prosecutor know how the max is the only acceptable standard for this all! Yes this can and does work both ways. Tomorrow would be wise to put an end to this and accept responsibility for all that has happened.
Get Aaliya help, or as sure as the sun sets, we will be pushing for full sentencing on this as much as through this whole thing. We are many and everywhere, we are parents and we are pissed.
I will say this if it is the mother the same, but if it is the father, well more jail cells for all!
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Oh and Thank you Simon, Jan, Bubba and Tad and Angie Camp for getting this to Bubba!
Admittedly when I first heard this story, it was through a YouTube user known as VenomFangX. A rather notorious name in the YT community in certain circles, so at first I was somewhat reserved about the authenticity of the saveaaliyah website, even after viewing the “Daddy’s Worm” video. My initial conclusion was that although I felt that the mother and her family’s fears were genuine based on the video and information on the website, that as an outside observer without a complete background of both the mother and the father, the history of their relationship with each other or their child, I would not and could not venture an opinion about the guilt or innocence of the father. This is probably going to attract some heat my way, but I have to be honest.
I even VLogged about this on YouTube when I first learned about this situation (last week), expressing my opinion about it and have tried to maintain an impartiality to the situation since then.
But recently, impartiality has become more and more difficult. Not only through the information that Simon and Jan have been able to faithfully uncover in regards to what is going on in Placer county and the interview with the mother’s family, rather something far stranger that has been happening through a user’s comments to my VLog about this situation.
Keep in mind that on YouTube, I am a nobody. I have less than 20 subscribers. My videos rarely catch the interest of anyone outside of my friends, which to be perfectly honest is more than fine with me. Which is why I was surprised by the recent obsession a user known as BecauseICan07 has had with the few comments that people have made on my video. Especially considering how middle of the road the opinion in the video was. For verification purposes, here is the address for these comments:
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=nWkL3oIBqTo&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DnWkL3oIBqTo%26feature%3Dchannel_page
Here is a copy & paste of a few of this user’s comments:
BecauseICan07 (3 days ago)
“This is a scam, a hoax, a fraud being perpetrated on innocent people wanting to help a child who isn’t being abused. Here is the Lieutenant investigating the fraud on the saveaaliyah site and criminal charges are pending against the mother. If there was any truth to this, the 100’s of people involved would have made sure the father would never see the light of day ever again. You can check with Jeffrey Ausnow Placer County Sherrifs office in california. Investigations Division S.E.T”
[The fact that this user gave specific contact information in comment, admittedly left me somewhat puzzled and alarmed. I couldn’t understand why my video would prompt someone (assuming that they were merely a casual observer) to take such a defensive approach for the father given that I clearly stated in that same video that I was refraining at that time in taking any sides.]
Being that I am a free speech channel, I chose to chalk it up to someone expressing their opinion and left it at that… but then came this entry this evening…
BecauseICan07 (3 hours ago)
“…why DID THE NEW OUT OF COUNTY Judge just side with the father yet again as of yesterday morning?
Mother would like people to believe there was no investigation, not true. MAJOR investigationSSSS were done. This woman has no custody, no rights and YET THE 8TH judge to see this case says SHE’S LYING!”
[At this point, this user is now smelling fishy to me of course… so I wait and watch.]
trdtacoma02 (9 hours ago)
“Like bubba (this user is clearly talking about “Bubba the Love Sponge”) and the other guys were saying on the show this morning it looks like another case of the good ole boy legal system, but either way if the dad did it or the mom is making it up this is a bad situation for that little girl……BUBBA ARMY”
[BecauseICan07 addresses this as follows]
BecauseICan07 (3 hours ago)
“Bubba? You mean the guy fired by the FCC for on air cartoons he made where children characters were acting out sexual acts? BUBBA? Linking his name with Aaliyah is disgusting. THAT’S NOT CREDIBLE MEDIA. That’s a joke. This child is not abused by her dad, this has been an elaborate hoax planned out for months by a mother hell bent on revenge because she lost custody. WHY is there no credible media taking up her cause? This would be the story of the century, dontcha think? so sad.”
BecauseICan07 (3 hours ago)
“Just because you’re getting ONE SIDE OF THIS STORY ONLY FROM THE MOTHER FOR NOW…. DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE.”
Now, I don’t know who this user is, where they are getting their information, are even why they seem so obsessed with commenting on my video. It would be little more than speculation or an assumption on my part… but I will say that their overbearing and emphatic statements have me very suspicious of their motivations.
The YouTube user “BecauseICan07″ (http://www.youtube.com/user/BecauseICan07) account was created May 10, 2009. Near to the day their first comment appeared in response to my video. The only personal details listed is that they are 39 and live in the United States. There is nothing else listed except this user’s replies to my video and a different video about this same topic entitled “Save Aaliyah Possible Scam” by user JerseyDagmar. That’s it.
I can’t even explain why I am posting this. Perhaps it is in the hope that somehow these comments might reveal something to someone other than me who has more knowledge about this case. It may be something, or perhaps nothing at all. I have no way of knowing either way.
The only side I am willing to take in this is Aaliyah’s at this point. Simon, Jan, Connie’s friends and family, and those who have contributed in helping this little girl find justice, I commend you. Whatever truths are ultimately revealed, it is my sincerest desire that Aaliyah is loved, cherished, and protected.
My apologies for how long this post is, and I thank you for taking the time to read it.
Well good morning all, I am up and ready to start gathering information. Got faxes to send, emails are going to go out and phone calls have to be made. You know what they say:
THE EARLY BIRD CATCHES THE WORM.
The worm I am after needs to be caught badly. Him and all the snakes who help him.
This is the day that God made. I will make sure it’s a productive one.
I wish I had that Johnny Cash tune in my head. I can’t stop hearing Bubba Love Sponge’s traveling salvation show and Neil is jamming with babies and old ladies under a tent.
Sarah and 007; Just a message of caution and of patience. It’s possible (and I pray God) that in future Aaliyah will not remember what her father did. A couple of years down the road all she (or any child) wants is to play with her friends, be invited to birthday parties and lead a normal life.
If she does not remember what was done to her and if she is reminded of it by anyone directly or indirectly and that interferes with her ability to be accepted in her community then she may not thank you.
She won’t really understand of course but nevertheless she could resent you.
Unfortunately if she and her mother have to stay in that godforsaken town/county, there will be plenty of people whispering behind their hands when they see her, their children (Aaliyah’s peers) will know she’s “different” somehow. And most unfortunately that could turn into taunts, jeers, ostracizm etc by her peers and members of that community. “No, Johnny. You CAN”T invite THAT girl to your birthday party!” You know what I mean?
And if Aaliyah does not remember what happened to her she could choose not to believe you and resent you for making her “different.” Or she might not comprehend the importance of what you did.
I don’t know that this will happen. But I think it would be wiser at this point not to assume we’ll be thanked for our efforts. Maybe later as an adult she might come to understand and be grateful. Maybe she will sooner. I don’t know.
Right now all we can try to do is save her from this situation whether we’re thanked or not. And once she’s saved, then do everything possible to provide her with a normal life - which to me means moving far away from that horrible place. Considering what is said about the people in power who live there I would not count on that community to be supportive of her ever having a normal life.
I hope I’m explaining this well enough so you understand that I’m not criticizing the efforts to save her. I’m not at all.
An analogy might be: A soldier steps on a landmind and his buddy gets him to the medics in time to save his life. But later, as the soldier struggles to get along in life after losing both legs, he could quite understandably be mad at his friend for saving him - making him live what he sees as a miserable life. That could be a temporary attitude as he adjusts to his new life in a wheelchair. But it’s nevertheless a real feeling on his part at that time. Hope I’m explaining this well enough.
i dont understand why the mother was turned away from her visit either?? and why does she have to pay to see her child??? what a crock of bs..never heard of such a thing b4 ever…i accually have friends who are foster parents even when the parents have superviaed visitation there is never $$$ involved in being able to see your child….something is not right!!! i agree with you m2c is this baby doesnt rember much not to remind her, someday she can know alot of true hearted people in this world do exsist…makes my heart happy a bunch of people can stand up for a child they hhavent meant in a effort to make her life as good as it can get…there is a god in this world…he will be with Aaylia every step of the way!!!!!!
Anna,
The paying to see her child is one that baffles me as well. $100 per visit?
I wonder if the previous judges could be reported to the American Bar Association for their poor conduct? I’m sure they’re lawyers, so why not? Or maybe there is another group that oversees judges? Worth looking into.
The more organizations that have real oversight of these people - lawyers, judges, CPS, LE - that investigate what’s been going on the better!
Good Morning All! I have been catching up since I left yesterday. I have my letters and a few emails ready to roll..
Oh, the other day I believe I found the agency in California that oversees county child protective services (CPS) and I passed that info to Jan and Simon.
m2c, was it a phone number, email address or a physical address?
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I am reading the bubba blog and it has brought tears to my eyes. So much support from all over just makes me realize how caring and supportive our neighbors can really be. We here at BNN have been fighting strong but these new additions have to be a very big step in the right direction. Hopefully tomorrow this story is broadcast on another station picking up loads more support!
joey tillmanthe vidio on your site brought tears to my eyes…so many innocent victoms and so many people willing to pay for the abuse of these children…where we live a boy 13 has been downloading porno and trying to get younger children including my daughter to watch porn it has been turned over to a detective but the shocking part is his mother who is in complete denial questioning when would he have done this..hello she is never home…and accually the kids thank goodness ran out of his home without being a part of the watching…but the parent chooses to ignore the fact if something isnt done he will most likely grow up to be a adult preditor, also my daughter didnt come to me with this she told a older friend who in turn told her mother, so the kids wernt just trying to get the kid in trouble..there is other stuff also but the fact remains is the mom doesnt give a shit about what her son is doing hopefully he doesnt harm some of the younger children around here we have notified everyparent with out concerns for the saftey of thier children…
This needs to be brought out to the national news. It is an outrage that abuse of this kind can go on when leaders of the community are fully aware of the situation. They need to be stopped! I for one am emailing the story of this poor sweet baby to every national news show that I can find. The more heat that is put on these people, the faster Aaliyah will be in a safe environment. Thanks for all you do Jan and Simon, you both work hard to find out the truth!
WhoRU, I have been trying to do that, if you can get past the dang moderators of the sites let me know.
the other day i called i dont know how many people i finally got thru to someone..i wish you luck has anyone tried oprah??? john walsh??? mark klauss???
Anna, yep, yep and yep….You cannot get through their moderators.
maybee mail a copy to new york times and los angeles news…cbs…nbc….put it in big type or print maybee if enough are mailed someone would print something about it??? major new people who arent afraid to print a story….
Anna Banana —- good thought on: “oprah??? john walsh??? mark klauss???”
Heck, I am NOT a Nancy Grace fan in the least, but I’m about to suggest contacting her as well.
I contacted KCRA Channel 3 News in Sacramento day before yesterday. No reply.
take an ad out in the paper, maybe in the classified ads where people look and it doesn’t cost as much… just a thought
i will email nancy grace right now maybee if a bunch of us did she could investigate????? bbim
I am working on Bill O’Reilly right now.
I think if a major mainstream news organization/TV show/newspaper took on this story they might well take the middle ground and simply report on the “fight” between Connie and What’s his name. There may not be enough proof for them to take Connie’s side. If they did, the father could possibly sue for defamation etc.
But even if a major story took the middle ground it could help put the spotlight on the situation and get it properly investigated.
ok one sent to ng….hopefully she will look at it if we all send one just like we did with the ants and thier tv apperances on oprah and stuff someone might listen!
m2c yep if they could get a outside source to even loook at the matter someone not from the town or involved it might get somewhere..
don’t forget JVM
I sent an email to the Mayor of Auburn, I just received an email that states, “I forwarded your concern to the proper authorities.” I swear I am going to freaking flip soon!
I emailed Geraldo. His email address is atlarge@foxnews.com; I also agree that copies of this story need to be sent into all major newspaers. I will also email Nancy Grace. To contact her go to:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?81. There is also a group called Protect (National Association to Protect Children) and you can send them a message at http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1724/signUp.jsp?key=3802. PROTECT is a grassroots political lobby that works for stronger child protection laws. They might not be able to help now, but they need to know that the law is not helping this child in California.
Here is CNN: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/newstips.html
Karen,
The mayor is probably having lunch or cocktails with the judges and attorneys. Not sure an email tot he Mayor will get anywhere other than meetings about how to further cover up their nonsense.
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Talina, LOL, how true!
Thank you, WhoRU!
Anyone who uses Twitter needs to send it out also! Get the word out to as many as possible!
I am pretty sure that I remember that a newspaper (local) was interviewing Connie a week ago - possibly a week ago today. And I’m also pretty sure that Simon contacted the Auburn Journal. Someone did anyway. But I have not heard from anyone local to know if anything has been published about this case.
In fact local people have been saying they’ve heard nothing about it.
m2c, in one of Simon’s articles he wrote about how the Auburn Journal had to stay in the good graces of APD. I can’t remember which article though.
i recieved a auto response from ng..they said each report will be read and producers and senior managers will recieve a report…so if there is a mass emailing about aaliah maybee someone there will notice!!!!
I said it before and I’ll say it again. This has the makings all over it of a Dominck Dunne story. Unfortunately, he, too, does his investigation and shows based on cases that are closed but many of his are exactly what is going in this county. High profile society controlling the judicial system in small towns.
Thank you, KarenCCC. I had not realized that was the Auburn Journal. So I guess freedom of the press is also a joke in Placer County.
It should be called Place of Shame County!
I also remember being told that Connie interviewed with the local paper… has that interview been published? If so, does anyone have a link?
I also find the YouTube rants odd… they seem eerily familiar to similar rants about this case on other sites… and they always come back to “You only hear one side”…
Just to be clear, I believe Jan and Simon are more than willing to interview the father or the father’s attorney or any family member of the father if they choose to contact them. I believe they have reached out to that side of the case many times, but have so far been rejected.
In other words, I too would love to hear the father’s side, but it is up to him to put it out here just as the mother did.
The case has gone public. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Get your heads out of the sand and tell your side of the story or stop leaving cryptic and divisive messages on every site this story appears.
Spacely,
I too understand that Jan and Simon have reached out to interview the father’s side.
Well said.
id also like to hear the fathers side…why has he chosen to not defend himself??? if someone was making a accusation and it was public especially like this youd think he’d be defending himself right???
I certainly cannot understand what he would have to lose… at first, sure, the quieter the better, no need to let everyone in the world know you have been accussed of sexually molesting your own child… but now this is worldwide and is hitting nationwide airwaves… the keeping it on the QT theory is kaput… get your side out there…
If your side of the story is good enough to get such amazing treatment from the courts, surely it will be enough to convince a group of bloggers… or is that the true problem? …it is not enough to convince anyone, but you continue to receive preferrential treatment under the law in Placer County?
He doesn’t have anything to say against Connie’s allegations other than “I’m not doing that.” If I were him, I would give my daughter over to a psychologist and the APD to get my name cleared. He is hiding behind his lawyer and the courts. For me, that’s all I need to see. He is a liar and a pedophile.
My gosh, I am exhausted. I don’ even think that makes sense to me right now. Oh well.
This is the response I got from Nancy Grace:
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I guess I sent it to the wrong place, but hopefully will be directed to the right person. I am going to go look now for another link.
karen…exacally if i were not doing something id prove to the court or anyone else it wasnt happining especially with a accusation like this…ive heard of lesser alligations being disproved and the thing that really pisses me off is thatnone of the authoritys involved have bothered to investigate anything..how with a allegation like this do you not disprove it??? isnt that thier job???? its everyones job to disprove something like this for the saftey of a child…my grandson and his father wrestle he went to day care with a bruise the sitter asked what happened he said “dady did it” no elaboration just that next thing you know cps is over untill they could be assured what happened..and yes dady did do it but it was wrestling rolling around…so why not this???
whoru..thats what i got but seing a report wouuld be written i figure with enough of the same mail someone would see a issue to be investigated…all it would take is one call to placer co….
He could at least do an interview and tell us the beginning of all of this and the exact legal steps he has taken since that point and why he took them.
RE: KarenCCC said,in May 14th, 2009 at 8:32 pm Anyone who stands behind this “father” is enabling abuse. I know the laws of enabling abuse, and I will be making damned sure that EVERYONE that enables this abuser to spend the next 30 freaking years in prison! Have fun trying to stop me! I am so freaking angry that these people are NOT taking the welfare of this child SERIOUSLY! Good luck to you!
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YOU GO GIRL!!! Is there anything else we can do Karen?
Spacely,
I would like to say something to you. I saw you post on the main blog, prior to the Aaliyah story. Between you and Jules I was consistantly entertained. I swear you two could take your comedy on the road. Together or separately I think you would both make a decent living. You are one funny person.
Since the Aaliyah case, I have continued to read your post. You writing is intelligent and factual. Refusing to make judgements without having the facts. I really just want to tell you, I think you are a vary nice person. I very much appreciate the kindness and respect you have shown me. You have a lot of class.
Now back to the topic: Thank you for your time and effort in this case. Aaliyah needs all the support we can give her. We all really do just want her out of harm’s way. The authorities refusal to remove Aaliyah with all the allegations being made, is very telling.
I am pleased to say that I received a return phone call from a man at KCRA Channel 3 News in Sacramento. By the end of today he says he will give me the contact person info of who I need to get in touch with there.
Is the $100 for child support? Again, you don’t know the details on why this is happening. The mother has visitation meaning she is not even allowed to take the child for the weekend? I’d be curious what led to this.
According to PayPal, the Saveaaliyah site donations (paypal) is in the name of Connie Bedwell. So she is connected to the site or her name is being used in a fraudulent manor.
i thought the $100 was to pay for the supervison of the visit… the father had his family supervise his when he had to deal with that but they make her pay an outsider i thought…
chipotle, she had custody taken from her because she won’t shut up about the sexual abuse that is happening to her daughter.
Connie pays child support in addition to the court ordered visitations.
saveaaliyah site was made by one of her friends.
Uppitylass: Being that the account was recenlty created would mean they only created the accoiunt to vlog on our channel. Who knows, maybe its the father. We, save for the mom does not have the facts. I’m on the fence with this and to say the the girl is not being abused may overlook her abuse and leave her in it. There are things that don’t add up but I say because an onlooker such as myslf would not have all the details.
I’m not quick to point at someone and call them guilty so to say the mother is hoaxing this, is not fair either. The truth will come out.
Who knows if what is the father? And are you calling me an “uppitylass”? The website and account was made in April, a few weeks BEFORE I asked for Simon and Jan’s help. I don’t care if you are on the fence, I really don’t. You have your right to be so.
Karen,
Chipotle is responding to the post by “Uppitylass” regarding all the posts on their vlog account re the Youtube video. See post at 2:56am
Thanks Talina. I’ve been on this board all day and didn’t see that.
After hearing Bubba’s radio show today I don’t know what to think about this. I’m sure there’s many people that listened yesterday thinking the same.
If it is true that the father is spending a considerable amount of time in the local bars, I think it would do Connie a lot of good if someone were to document his visits with pictures, times, and dates… someone could also speak with the bartenders and wait staff at those bars… they tend to remember the regulars and depending on how he tips, they may have a lot of info about his nightly habits… courts tend to look at habits like drinking and carousing during child custody disputes… so a daily diary of events showing the father to be at a local watering hole 3+ times per week coupled with some documentation on who was watching the child might be beneficial for Connie… however, if she is participating in similar behaviours, bringing the matter up at all is bad for her… there does seem to be a lot of posts on her myspace page about going out for beers… I would personally delete all of those and ask my friends not to send any more alcohol related messages as those myspace pages will soon be in the clutches of mainstream media and they will be merciless about displaying them…
That must have just came up here because of the link.
UppityLass, I would definitely believe that is the pedophile himself or one of his family members. And just so you know, the “father” did not get all he wanted in that ex parte hearing. The judge upheld the restraing order, but did NOT take visitation away from the mother.
Connie doesn’t have a myspace page.
Then it is her sister, but because of all the C names, I am betting the mainstream media does a cursory search and comes to the same conclusion I did that it is her.
It has been a couple weeks since I looked at that page, it may have already changed by now… I know the saveaalyiah page has been updated…
Then they would need to investigate that a little further too before jumping to the same conclusion as you.
It is my understanding that Connie left California when Aaliyah was a small baby. The reason she left was because he abused her and then began physically abusing Aaliyah. She and the baby were both safe. I don’t think at that time, the Worm was even legally the father. If there are family members reading this and I have misunderstood ANY of the facts, please correct me.
After many phone calls with discussions and negotiations Connie returned to CA. She had assurances that the Worm would only see Aaliyah under supervised visits. Why would she go back to Placer county has been asked many times. The Worm contradicts this now, because it’s part of his defense, Connie very much wanted Aaliyah to have her daddy in her life.
She voiced the concerns about his physical abuse back then.
She thought she had worked things out, so Aaliyah could have a relationship with Dustin and she would still be safe from him hitting and bruising the baby.
Dustin was INDEED put on supervised visits. His parents were named as the supervisors!!! Connie was not thrilled with the decision but she obeyed the court orders. Aaliyah was NOT safe, not at all. It was during the supervied visitations that Aaliyah first revealed the sexual abuse by her daddy.
The next thing that happens is the Worm drags her back to court for making allegations against him for the abuse. She went into court that day, to answer the complaint. She had her evidence in hand. The judge would not listen to anything she had to say. Right then and there Connie was ordered to hand Aaliyah over to the Worm.
He walked in there with supervised visitation and walked out with sole custody!!! As the abuse got worse and Connie tried to stop him, she has been punished every step of the way. To the point she was ordered to have her visitations supervised but by professional supervisors, not family members. Next she is put under a gag order, the gag order wasn’t strict enough to suit the Worm. So he drags back to court. The order is expanded to the point she can’t even talk to friends.
Now he has managed to stop yesterday’s visit. Who knows what will happen for the next scheduled visit. She can’t talk to anyone. He has even managed to have her right to photograph her child taken away. Her crime? Trying to get LE, CPS and the court to investigate Aaliyah’s cries for help. Just begging them to find out why Aaliyah is making the allegations of abuse!!! That and only that is why she has had all her rights taken away. The claims have been made, find out if they are true. There is only ONE reason, Worm is so adamant in shutting Connie up. He has now successfully removed the last shred of any kind of protection Aaliyah had. His attorney has seen to it that Connie can NOT get anymore information from Aaliyah. The Worm is free to hurt this child day and night. No more worries that Connie will hear about it. No new accusations will made. He has attempted to confuse Aaliyah about the Worm, he took her and showed her real worms. He don’t want her to associate his penis with worms anymore. He gave her a name for his male anatomy and once she told, he introduces her to real worms, that baby will be so confused. When someone asked her about the worm now, she won’t know what name to give daddy’s parts. He is one devious, sick individual.
Connie only tried to do the right thing by Aaliyah, she wanted her to know she had a Dad like other kids. She wanted it so badly, she was willing to go back to CA. How ironic is it now that Dustin says she has brought these allegations up to keep him from seeing his daughter!!!
Sassy, I don’t know yet. I’m looking in to some things and then I will let you know what I find out.
Something is going on at the saveaaliyah.com web site. The page is not loading the video.
I also do not see the paypal link to make my contribution.
Is it me, do I need more coffee? Karen can you try to the web site?
http://www.saveaaliyah.com/
The myspace page that I keep seeing links to on other websites is her sister’s - or at least that is what is being said. I have no way of knowing who’s it is other than what is being reported on blogs.
However, while some say a picture is worth a 1,000 words, those 1,000 words may also not be the correct words. Pictures are often misleading and when taken way out of context can be damaging. For either side.
I say that because people often post pictures on facebook or myspace where they have been camera happy at a get together or a birthday party and for those that were not there, we have no way of knowing what led up to that photo or the story behind the get together. What appears to strangers as “racy” or “vulgar” photos might well be very innocent in nature to the people that were at the get together. I know I’ve seen some of the pictures that my two daughters (in their 20s) come home with from some of their get togethers and I’ll ask them what the heck was going on. Usually when the explanation is given the picture makes more sense than the initial thought that ran through my mind.
I say this because we all need to step back a bit when criticizing or jumping to conclusions about photos we see posted on someone’s website. I have not seen that here on this site but I’ve seen it on others that are also monitoring and cutting and pasting from this blog to their others. They too are selectively picking what supports their view point and totally ignoring other posts that do not support their viewpoint but are objective nonetheless.
In many ways, young adults in their early to mid 20s are still learning from their “sowing their wild oats” mistakes and what seems innocent at the time is looked upon by those older as irresponsible behaviour.
However, were we not all a bit irresponsible when we were also that age in some of the things we did but at the time thought there was nothing wrong with it and it was all in good fun? By that I am talking about acting a little wild when we were at a birthday party or a going away party or a friend getting together party?
Spacely - I know your post said nothing about photos but it did remind me since you broght up the myspace account that I’d wanted to say this earlier.
Talina, you are saying exactly what I was trying to say.
The media WILL jump to conclusions… look at all the cases they are covering right now…
What I am saying is that it is not clear whose MySpace that is and it will be far worse when the media throws it out as Connie’s even if they later retract that… they will do what will bring in ratings… they will be looking for the most sensational angle…
I like to think that I am pretty good at ferreting out information from the web… everyone on that myspace in the friends area seems to be connected to this case, either as a real life friend or as an internet participant… the names are extremely similar…
So, just to be clear, I am not suggesting that Connie is a bad mother or participates in bad behaviors. I am saying that since the goal of the current moment is to bring national media attention to this case, now is an excellent time to remove anything that could be construed against Connie… and for all her friends with MySpace pages to remove comments and pictures that may not paint Connie in the best light…
Look at what the media has done with the party pics of KC…
People jump to conclusions, that is the way of the world… you have to recognize this as fact and use it to your advantage.
Karen - you have done a wonderful job championing this cause. I am not attacking Connie.
Spacely, I was just commenting on your post. I didn’t think you were attacking Connie.
Post by AnneA. on 5-15-09 at 1:14 p.m. I hope this answers some of your questions. I only attempted to address this subject because I have seen these questions many times. As they have been answered in part, that seems to only have brought up more questions. Which are very valid. The time line and facts I posted are my understanding of how things unfolded to get us where we are now.
Connie’s friends and family came to the internet out of sheer desperation. No matter which way Connie turned or what she did, she was ignored and punished for even trying to get the officials to check into this. This was the only thing they had not tried. It was the last chance they had to try and get this investigated. If you can try and put yourself in their shoes.
If a child you love is living in this hell and nobody will listen. Nothing you do can get it even looked into. WHAT would you do? How far would you go for the child you love. Connie is NOT unreasonable. She is a mother who had NO choice, got no justice and could not save her only child.
If I am wrong about any of the facts. Would a member of the Bedwell family or a close friends who SUPPORTS Connie, please correct me.
I have stated the facts as I have understood them to be. Anything said that may be inaccurate, is a misunderstanding on MY part. There is no intention to deceive anyone.
Got to run for a bit. BBL
I agree. All involved need to get anything that may lead to misunderstandings off the net. This is such a critical time, Connie has to avoid everything that is not only inappropriate but also anything that may be perceived as inappropriate. Appearances can and have destroyed more then one innocent person. This is the time to avoid all things that could lead to doubt. It is not enough that she is a good mother. She MUST prove it every day to everyone. I’m not saying it’s right to be scrutinized like that but its the reality of her situation. When it doubt, take it out. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Hi Folks,
I think I want to weigh in on this conversation. I listened to a large part of Bubba’s show today. Do not take everything you hear at face value. I have been talking to the Bubba people all day. They are still bought in. Right now we are mulling over a document that is not in the public domain, and deciding which way to go.
Everyone agrees that there is something that smells in Placer County, and we are going to get to the bottom of it.
Don’t take us being quiet today with new stories, for us not working this case. We are. And indeed Bubba is.
I want feet to the fire, I want some serious adults to mete out some justice in Placer County.
Simon
Thank You Simon,
Karen and I have been in somewhat of a panic.
Karen had more faith then I did, to be honest. Or maybe she is just more optimistic. That show was scary and we indeed thought things had gone south. We still believe the story without hesitation, we just thought badly of Bubba, sorry Bubba. I will try and work on my habit of making assumptions. It’s never a good idea but I always fall in the trap.
I hope Jan is feeling ok today. She has been scarce. Just so you know, I NEVER DOUBTED EITHER ONE OF YOU. However Bubba was most certainly OFF my Christmas list. LOL
I did not get to hear the radio show… Bubba is no longer supporting the case?
I am beginning to think I am alone in here.
Even my new buddy Karen seems to be absent.
Karen I tried calling as instructed but the phone may be off. Nobody answers.
This morning out of desperation, I printed up 4X5 index cards and went to The Womens Center and passed them out. They had Aaliyah’s website address, Bnn’s web address and Joey Tillman’s web address and wrote a short explanation of what this is about. ( I know its hard to believe I can write something short) but I swear I kept the story on one side and address on the other. I took the original and the copy center printed me 1000 of them very reasonable. I will be distributing them any and everywhere we may get some support.
I don’t know how wise it was, but after the Bubba show, I had to do something. I couldn’t just sit here and do nothing. I hope its ok.
What happened on the show?
They didn’t spend much time on this situation.
Kind of a disappointment to me, but I expect a lot from folks. I am one of those types. I am working on me. I hear from a few sources things will be fine. So I am trusting I over reacted and plugging on.
Spacely
I to missed some of the show. Yes I understand he is still supportive of this case. I had heard he did, but wasn’t sure because I thought the whole show was going to be about Aaliyah. But like I said, I missed part of it.
So it seemed kind of short to me.
I had visions of him riding in on his white horse and throwing cuffs on Dad. I am one of those people who believes Dad should get a fair trial and then hang him. LOL When that didn’t happen, I was disappointed.
Spacely
A couple of sources told me all is well and he is still supportive of the mom. But was apprehensive. Now Simon has confirmed it, so I am at peace now.
Well guys.. reading the bubba blog i did see messages from his listeners saying that they are sadden by the case but they also wanted to hear their regular bubba comedy. maybe that had something to do with it. don’t lose hope!
Sorry I mis-spoke, Bubba is still open minded about this case. Someone on his show and I’m not sure of the source. One of the people Bubba involved yesterday, said something, and not quoting here, but was something about something probably has happened to this child.
I was hoping for an adamant, this child needs to be removed from the father.
Thank you Jen, I haven’t gone to his message board. I put that info on the index card and booked it to the copy place and then spent a couple of hours passing cards out to anyone who would take one. No hope is alive, not always well but definitely alive.
Well I am boring myself so I guess I will get started on something else to try and help Aaliyah. I am running out of ideas. If anyone has any suggestion, I am happy to hear them and do whatever I can.
His Guests were a couple of Psych types, and they had watched the Video but knew nothing else about the case.
They stuck together, and basically said that yes something was going on, but they had doubts that it was quite as portrayed on the video.
Not a question of ‘coaching’ more the potential of suggestibility, and the need to satisfy the needs of a parent.
These are valid views. I have no issue with what they said.
Right now I am trying to pull in some favors from people that don’t owe me. But they know that they will get it back from BNN when they need our help.
Sorry to be so mysterious, but really we cannot say much right now.
Simon
I felt I should be clearer about my position in this case so that there would be no misunderstanding derived from my previous post.
[”Uppitylass…to say the the girl is not being abused may overlook her abuse and leave her in it.” - Chipoltespice]
I’m not sure if this was a comment directed at me, or merely a personal statement.
At no time in my video last week, or in my recent post today have I suggested that that the abuse in this case did not happen.
I do believe, in my opinion, that the fears of the mother and her family are sincere and genuine and in no way view this as a hoax or scam. However, I am reluctant to point a finger of blame in any direction at this stage.
I am merely an observer, unconnected with the parties directly involved.
The only details available to me, at the moment, are those divulged in the articles by Simon and Jan Barrett, and the opinions expressed by family and friends of the mother. While what is available right now is substantial and worrisome to the point that it sincerely troubles me, in my opinion there isn’t enough official unbiased public information for me to comfortably pass judgment right now.
If my position can be viewed as “on the fence”, it would be more accurate to say that I’m “on the fence, with my foot dangling on the mother’s side of the yard” at the moment.
I won’t hazard a guess as to who the YouTube user “BecauseICan07″ is. They could be somebody directly related to this case, or nobody of any consequence what-so-ever. I have no way of either finding out, or knowing ultimately so an assumption on my part would be unsupported and unfair.
My trigger, as it were in posting their comments, was pulled because this person’s passionate statements seemed, at least to me, to lend themselves to a more personal involvement in this case rather than merely an observer with a casual opinion.
I could quite easily and possibly be wrong. I will be the first to admit that. I try my best not to read into things, but unfortunately it does happen.
I will continue to follow this situation through Simon and Jan Barrett here on BNN, as well as any information that becomes available here on the internet, print or broadcast.
Can someone post the link for Bubba’s show?
AnneA, you are not alone. I am still here. I was taxi today! Sorry! Thank you Simon for the updates! I was dissapointed in the Dr. on the show this morning, but never believed that Bubba was going to pull out of this story.
WhoRU: http://theboneonline.com I don’t know if they are going to be having another show on this tomorrow, but I do know he re-broadcasts his show on XM Radio, but I don’t know the channel. Sorry.
Have I been zapped? Nothing is posting.
I tried posting the link 3 times and I got nothing.. must be stuck
I have been told that if you post a link, sometimes they are moderated, I believe that was the word.
Can you tell me where to go to find it? Without posting the direct link?
I posted it, I can see it, can’t you? Just google 102.5 the bone
Thank you Karen!
CAN investigates absconded child abuse perpetrators providing information to law enforcement, the FBI and ICE on their location to facilitate arrest.
Victim, Perpetrator, Family, Friend, Anyone,
to report abuse or to talk to
someone in confidence call
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(National Center for Missing and Exploited Children)
WhoRU, you are welcome.
I am going nuts waiting for some kind of update……..LOL. I know Simon is doing the best he can. WE love you Simon.
I’m just a worry wart
Karen, call me stupid but I still don’t see a link on Aaliyah’s web site to donate. I have a little extra this week to give.
Jen-knee - try removing the http and www part of it and just post the rest of it. Sometimes that works.
Sassy, hold on, let me see….
Sassy, it’s under the “services” button on the front page. And thank you, Aaliyah is so lucky to have someone like you caring for her.
duhh me. Done. Thank you so much Karen.
How do you make those smiley faces? You are welcome.
Karen have you read all the posts?
If so can you think of any reason I should not have done the index cards?
If you answer and I don’t come right back its cause I am fixing my demading hubby’s dinner. No cold plate tonight tho, he wants a steak so I had to go into super wife and work my fingers to the bone. I had to look up the phone number for steak out and they are due any minute now. I have to dig out my debit card and make it to the door to pay them. THEN he actually expects me to carry it to the kitchen and transfer it to a dinner plate and serve him. Sometimes I feel more like his servant than his wife. That man is so impossible and expects more then he has a right to. Oh yeah and I have to put ice in his glass and poor him some tea. WHEW!!! its enough to give me back pain!
too funny AnnaA
Talina
The man has no mercy.
AnneA, no, I do not think the index cards were wrong. Did someone say something about it? And regarding your husband? Hmmmmm…..just kidding! That was a funny post!
AnneA, btw, how lucky and spoiled you are that you can dial a steak! I have to give the baby a bath…bbiab
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No Karen nobody said anything against it. Several folks read it while I was there. Many said they were going to go home and watch the video.
Karen I think I forgot to mention: I had to make the call to order it!!! It probably didn’t sound that bad to you, cause I did leave part of the work load out. I’m sure you can sympathize with me now that you know the whole story.
Karen: email me at Az49eyes@aol.com and I will send you the link, how to make the emoticons. Anyone who wants it can email me.
why not tell your hubby its his turn. You carried the baby, went thru the labor, the least he can do is help you keep up with her now.
I can count on one hand the number of times I gave my son a bath, his daddy did it. He loved bath time with his boy. They would both get in the tub and they had water fights and made the biggest messes. That was part of their quality time.
Our son’s name is Billy. One night they were in the tub and hubby tells our boy, “I’m gonna trade you for a billy goat”. Billy looked up at him with the biggest eyes and look of concern and says “ok then, I will trade you for a daddy goat too”. I cracked up.
AnneA, you did mention you had to phone it in, that’s why I said you were spoiled and lucky. That Billy goat story is funny!!!!! And if I were to talk about my husband, I wouldn’t be laughing about it. He’s not here anyway, he works until 10 on Fridays and Saturdays.
Sassy, you should have Jan take your post with your email off, you’ll get some crazies emailing you. And your posts with the icons came through, thanks so much.
Sassy, for some reason I cannot connect to my email….
AnneA good thing someone else didnt over hear that and accuse your hubby of abuse
Devils advocate, how can anyone over-hear her? She wrote it. And I’m sure she would allow the police and anyone else who wanted to investigate it. SHE has NOTHING to HIDE!
Devils advocate… was that really necessary?
Karen No I told you I had to look up the number but I forgot to add that I had to make the call to order it. I have to do everything.
I knew your hubby has to work late on fridays and saturdays, those are probably is busiest nights aren’t they? My hubby only works his regular job about 10 hours a day, then he puts about 4 hours a night at his home business. See that is why I don’t feel soooo bad about having to do so much, he works alot…LOL
All 4 of your kids are girls aren’t they?
AnnaA - better part of valor on that one is to ignore. I suspect someone is trying to bait you.
Talina, I don’t think she’s seen it yet.
AnneA, yes, that’s his busiest nights. But even on his busiest days/nights he doesn’t work anywhere near as hard as I do. No, I have three girls and a boy.
Devil’s Advocate
I don’t even know what to say. A man bathing his infant and then toddler son is not abnormal. I can assure you there was NOTHING un-natural about it.
He is my husband’s ONLY biological child and he began bathing him in the hospital before we came home. He also changed his diapers and fed him. Our son is now a grown man with 2 sons of his own and very normal. When he is at home he to gives his boys a bath. I think its healthy and its a great time to bond. You are the first one to ever make a comment like that. If some people think its strange for a parent to bath his child, I wonder how the kids are suppose to get clean.
AnneA, just ignore people like that. I LOVE how they hide behind their computers. There are alot of people on BNN that I’d love to come out behind their computers and say the crap they do to my face or yours.
Talina yes you are probably right, I should have ignored it. It just took me back for a minute. I swear that is a dirty mind at work.
And yes we would have invited the whole police dept. to watch it. They may have been drowned but they could have watched until the water covered them. Man they used to make a mess. But Billy loved it and so did his daddy.
Karen with 4 kids nobody but someone with 5 kids works as hard as you do.
I don’t remember you mentioning a boy, but I should have guessed cause I only know 3 of your kids names and they are girls.
Hubby just asked me if I wanted to go to dinner and a movie. So I say sure. Then the movie he wants to see starts in 30 min so of course we can’t make that one. I’m thinking..now he’s not getting out of this invitation. So I say well..we can go tomorrow night instead. ha (he agreed) We like to go to a movie studio where they serve food in the theater and the seating is tables etc instead of normal theater seating. Nice time but we don’t go very often.
Karen you are right. I worry about devil’s advocate. I am serious it does take a SICK mind to turn a father giving his son a bath something perverted. That never even crossed my mind.
AnneA…just ignore it. I seriously doubt they really thought what they insinuated. I believe they were sarcastically pointing out how things can be misconstrued that are very innocent. Terrible analogy given the seriousness of what is going on with this subject matter of this forum and one meant to do nothing but rile you.
Talina is that regular movies? I don’t think we have any theaters like that around here.
We got the kind with the coke and popcorn on the floor, you know the floor is kind of sticky. But yes it sounds like he was trying to get credit without doing anything. Rain check will teach him. LOL
Talina, that sounds like fun. I live in nowhere land, they don’t have theatres like that here.
LOL AnneA..he has to be in the mood to deal with crowds which isn’t very often. But he did commit to tomorrow and he won’t go back on his word.
Yes, it is regular first run movies. The place is called Studio Movie Grill. They have several in our area. Nice place to go see a movie. He wants to see the new Tom Hanks movie that was released today.
Talina:
We have that here in Phoenix. My sister takes her older grandchildren all the time. I have yet to go. I tend to wait until everything comes out on DVD LOL
Anne: I read your post earlier and thought it was hysterical. I agree, dirty minds think otherwise. Sick.
My granddaughter would always come strolling in when I was in my Jacuzzi bath with bubbles and want to crawl in. I would always turn the jets on and let the bubbles blow up over our heads. It made a mess but was well worth the giggles we shared. What great memories. They grow up fast.
night all Aalyah will be in our prayers tonight along with all the other missing abused children…please god bring them home and let them live saftley….amen…{{{{hugs}}}}
I’m glad to see so much discussion on this case. If anyone can get to the bottom of what is going on….Jan and Simon will! Too see discussions going on in this blog that are truly productive is a blessing. It seems that the majority of bloggers on this case are truly interested in finding out what the heck is going on, no matter what it may be. It’s nice to read thru the blog and see so many of you offering solutions or information that may assist Jan and Simon. KUDOS to all of you for showing us what respectful blogging is all about!
Nite all….Aaliyah is in my prayers.
I tell you what, when i get down from negatives about this case, i come here and i can feel relived that what we are doing IS helping, and that soooo many ppl love that lil angel.
**HuGE HuGS** to everyone here.
Lets grab this bull by the horns and run with it!
and simon…this “Amara apparently turned up with a big stack of print outs from the site, and also from Blogger News. I am so excited to think of the amount of money Amara is spending on paper and toner for her printer. I’ll bet it is listed as a line item in her bill to Dustin Thompson.” will have me laughing 4 days!!
TY so much Jan & Simon, & EVERYONE here for all you do!
ps- Jan, your voice is sooo adorable to listen to. Such a southern lady is what it reminds me of
To Jan, Simon and everyone who is working really hard to help Aaliyah I would like to say a huge thankyou. I have read every comment since AnneA and Karen told BNN about this very worrying and frightening situation.
I echo the thoughts of Chsah @ 1:35 am and will continue to read and support all of you with hopes that success lies around the corner soon.
Cheers from down-under
funny how you all get upset by what I said. But just blindly accept everything that is being said to you on this case.. The only source of information you have is coming from one side. The Mother. You dont even have any evidence. Not one single doctors report. Not one single professional backing up anything Connie has to say. And yet you all just accept it as Gospel. This has been going on for two years? And she cant provide one offical document or evidence proving her claim? Cindy Anthony has provided no evidence that her daughter is innocent either. Why dont you believe her? Evidence!
I believe a child is in danger. Where is your PROOF that she is NOT?
devils advocate @ 11:47 am - Are you stating what you believe or taking that position for the sake of argument as your screen name would suggest?
IMO there are two basic points here: (1) there is a chance that a child is being horribly abused and nothing is being done about it - who wants to take that chance? And (2) there is a chance that the situation has not been properly handled - in fact that previous “investigations” were unfairly biased in favor of the father. Hence lack of “proof.”
I think an analogy might be someone pointing at a child’s room and saying “There’s a fire in there.” And someone else saying, “Really? I don’t see a fire. I don’t smell smoke. I don’t hear the alarm or sirens.” And then they walk away. I would not want to walk away from that without LOOKING into that room, maybe even removing the child from the room so it can be inspected to be sure there isn’t a fire in the ceiling or something. You know what I mean? If you want to walk away that’s fine.
But some people want to be sure. With a child’s life at stake I think it’s worth the effort to be sure. That’s really all this is about.
DEVILS ADVOCATE BLATANTLY DISREGARDS THE FACTS, INCLUDING STATEMENTS BY THE LICENSED COUNSELOR WHO HAD EVALUATED AALIYAHS BEHAVIOR FOR OVER A YEAR, WHILE HER FAMILY TRIED TO GET HER THE HELP SHE DESERVED. IT IS OBVIOUS BY THE MANY REPORTS TO CPS THAT WENT UNINVESTIGATED AND THE TRIPS TO DOCTORS AND PSYCHIATRISTS THAT THIS PERSON HAS MADE PLENTY OF STATEMENTS ALONG WITH THE FAMILY, AND THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS JUST NEVER INVESTIGATED ALONG WITH ALL OF THE OTHER STATEMENTS THAT GOIGNORED AND NOW ARE ON GAG ORDER.
DEVIL- DO YOU HAVE THE DOCTORS, NURSES, AND CPS REPORTS THAT SHOW THSI WAS FULLY INVESTIGATED? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE your PROOF THE BEDWELLS ARE LYING! YOU CANNOT PROVIDE IT BECAUSE IT DOESN’T EXIST!
THERE ARE VERY OBVIOUS REASONS YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ALL THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE, DEVIL, BECAUSE IT IS LIKELY DUE TO THE GAG ORDERS IN PLACE AND THE CONSTANT COVERUP BY THE VERY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED TO HELP CHILDREN, YET DUE TO WHO THE PERPETRATOR KNOWS AND THEIR COMMUNITY AFFILIATIONS- THEY ARE ABLE TO DO AS IF IT IS STILL 1970 AND SWEEP IT ALL UNDER THE RUG.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE YOU CAN GIVE ANY OF US THAT WILL CLEAR PLACER COUNTY OF THEIR BLATANT CORRUPTION THAT HAS GONE ON FOR DECADES, SINCE WAY BEFORE AALIYAH WAS EVER EVEN AN UNFERTILIZED EGG, AND THE REPORTS ARE REALLY ALL OVER THE INTERNET- WHAT SCUM THE COURT SYSTEM IS AND WHAT A JOKE THOSE ARE WHO WORK FOR IT IN PLACER COUNTY.
IGNORING ALL OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE AND ACCUSING THE VICTIM WILL NOT ERASE THE PLACER COUNTY COURTS REPUTATION!
IT HAS TAKEN AN INNOCENT CHILD AND MANY BEFORE HER TO BRING THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF PEOPLE WHO MIGHT ACTUALLY TRY AND PUT A STOP TO IT. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN IGNORE IT AND IT WILL GO AWAY, JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN MANIPULATE THE COURTS BECAUSE OF WHO THEY KNOW, DOES NOT IN ANY WAY MEAN THAT AALIYAH ISN’T BEING OR HASN’T BEEN ABUSED.
SAD TO SEE THAT IDEA WOULD MAKE YOU SQUIRM WHEN IT IS A CHILDS LIFE ON THE LINE.
THE REASON YOU ARE UNABLE TO DIG UP MORE PROOF IS BECAUSE IT IS BEING HIDDEN FROM YOU. THIS IS WHAT ALL ABUSERS DO, THEY ABUSE, THEN HOPE IT CAN BE COVERED UP. TOO MANY TIMES IT IS COVERED UP, AND I FULLY BELIEVE THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE WITH THE BEDWELLS. WHEN IT ISN’T EASY TO COVER- ABUSERS THEN HAVE ONLY ONE OPTION- TO MAKE WILD ALLEGATIONS TOWARD THE VICTIM, AND TWIST EVERYTHING AROUND BY DEFLECTING THEIR OWN GUILT TO THE VICTIMIZED PARTY. JUST BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO HAPPEN TO SO MANY PEOPLE IN PLACER COUNTY DOES NOT MEAN IT ISN’T HAPPENING AND THAT THERE IS NO PROOF. IT ONLY MEANS THE TRUTH HAS BEEN COVERED UP.
THE OPPORTUNITY OF BRAINWASHING OF THIS CHILD IN THE LAST YEAR SHE HAS BEEN IN THE CUSTODY OF HER PERPETRATOR, HAS BEEN AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO ABOLISH ANY AND ALL EVIDENCE INCLUDING AALIYAHS OWN FEELINGS ALONG WITH USING CONNECTIONS TO CITY OFFICIALS AGAINST CONNIE.
ANYONE WHO HAS STOOD UP FOR THIS CHILD SO FAR HAS BEEN DISGUSTINGLY IGNORED.
THE CYCLE OF ABUSE IS PERPETUATED BY ANYONE WHO IS WILLING TO IGNORE ITS HAPPENING AND PERPETUATE IT TO CONTINUE. THE FACT PLACER COUNTY IS SO BEHIND THE TIMES YET THEY ARE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH IT MAKES MY STOMACH TURN.
THE FACT YOU CAN SICKENLY POINT TO AN INNOCENT BATHTIME WITH FATHER AND SON, JOKE ABOUT 27 FULL MINUTES OF A LITTLE GIRL CRYING FOR HELP, THEN BERATE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG DOES NOT MAKE YOU LOOK MORE INTELLIGENT, IN FACT IT MAKES YOU NOT MUCH BETTER THAN THE PERPETRATOR THEMSELVES AS YOU PERPETUATE THE CYCLE OF ABUSE TO CONTINUE.
IT REINFORCES TO US ALL, JUST HOW IT IS THAT A WHOLE INTERNET WORLD WOULD HAVE TO STAND UP FOR ONE SMALL CHILD IN ORDER TO PROTECT HER FROM THE CYCLE OF ABUSE THAT HAS BEEN CONDONED BY A WHOLE COUNTY AND UNTIL NOW IGNORED BY THE REST OF THE WORLD. JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN FRUSTRATE AALIYAHS SUPPORTERS, AND TRY THE SAME ABUSE TACTIC BY REDIRECTING AND POINTING FINGERS AT AN INNOCENT BATHTIME MEMORY- DOES IN NO WAY MEAN YOU CAN OR WILL SUCCEED IN SHUTTING OUT THE VOICES IN SUPPORT OF HER.
THE MOST UNFORTUNATE THING OF ALL IS THAT THIS ISN’T THE FIRST CHILD IT HAS HAPPENED TO IN PLACER. IT IS FINE TIME WE CAN TURN THINGS AROUND FOR THE BETTER GOOD, NOT SIT HERE POINTING FINGERS AT GOOD PEOPLE. (WHO ONLY WANT TO SEE REAL JUSTICE TO PREVAIL)
devils advocate said,in May 16th, 2009 at 11:47 …You dont even have any evidence. Not one single doctors report. Not one single professional backing up anything Connie has to say…
OK most people in here know Simon and I and most people trust us. We can assure you that neither of us have been a part of this, therefore we can not now nor ever be accused of trying to pull a scam on anyone.
You have NO IDEA what Simon and I have as proof on this. You say we don’t have one single’s doctor’s report or one single professional backing anything we have been told here, but how do you know that. Simon and I DO HAVE in our possession some legal documents that we are choosing not to publish as of yet. We have not walked into this case blinded. YES we DO believe that this child is being molested.
We do not like releasing anything in here until it is cleared and checked out. We are not here to spread rumors or destroy lives. We only want the truth.
I heard through the grapevine that some others do not believe any of this which is their rigth but I know what documents I have seen and read so those that choose to not believe that is fine but Please don’t come in here and call Simon and I liars. We are working really hard to get to the bottom of this regarding of which way it ends up. PLEASE let us do our job.
I do not think devils advocate was calling you or Simon liars Jan.
I think he asking what people on the fence and skeptics would ask why is everyone virtually following this based on a video recorded by the mother not a professional like a Doctor.. so other than the video no real documentation.
People can trust and believe you guys but it isn’t wrong of people to ask questions either.
Also do not like that people yell and ask people “are you freakin listening?” and being crass because they are being asked questions..
So much for equality right? So much for the freedom of speech?
Everyone needs to respect everyone… if you don’t people who don’t believe in this or on the fence to be rude then don’t throw stones back its that simple.
if you don’t like people*
Butters, please see my post above at 1:07 today for an answer to your question: “why is everyone virtually following this based on a video recorded by the mother not a professional like a Doctor.. so other than the video no real documentation.”
The only thing I can add to that is that whether people believe it to be true or fear that it is or just think it may be, they don’t want to walk away until they know for sure.
I don’t see anything wrong with that. I’d rather find out that it’s not true than not make the effort and come to find out one day that it was true.
Jan and Simon asked that we simply respect their and others’ interest in the case and their right to pursue it. A simple enough request to make of anyone nevermind people who’ve lived on this blog for a year. But some people couldn’t leave it alone -still can’t. Have to keep badgering, challenging, arguing - when they KNOW the answers aren’t available yet.
I don’t see why it’s so difficult to let people alone to do what they feel is right. What’s it to you? as the saying goes. Leave ‘em alone!
M2c..you didnt have any problem sticking up for what you believed in when the Any supporters were here. You have evidence so you attacked them. Do you see that kind of evidence here? They SAY they have it…Like the money trail?..BNN is not bound by any GAG order.. gee was it not just a few days ago that this case was discussed on LIVE radio? And satellite radio?? Again NO evidence. Bubba still believes? LOL he has a funny way of showing it
so if there is no proof in something, that means a crime did not happen? is that what you are saying here?
people claim they were banned from here for voicing their opinions, i don’t see that…i see people reacting so childishly it is actually kind of amusing…until i remember that some of these same people are PARENTS…:rolleyes
what i saw from the very beginning of this whole thing is people vehemently against this story being here, or anyone believing it…i heard the words hoax, scam, liars, pedophiles, and ALL, i mean both sides of this, without any proof to say it is real, or it is not real…
i have no opinion on this particular story, because i don’t know facts, i just know heresay, because that is all that has been brought out…there might be evidence somewhere, and if it does show up, it shows up…
i really wonder why some are just dragging this out, i can just imagine all the spittle on their computer monitors…nobody so far has offered any credible evidence from either side…so if you don’t agree with someone, you have the right to do so, but that person also has the right to be treated with dignity and respect…
Butters, devil’s advocate was sean,aka beast and he had been banned from in here so he is NOT allowed in here. He only came in here to start trouble. Now I do think everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I don’t like it when someone that doesn’t know the facts to come in and tell me and everyone in here that we have no documents to back what we are saying because we do. Court documents ARE available to the public if you know how to get them so if sean is so damn smart let him look them up himself. We got copies so anyone else can to. We are not releasing them on here at this time. I don’t really care what he or anyone else thinks that doesn’t believe us. They can go read somewhere else. He is only pissed off because I banned him and his wife for trashing BNN on other blogs. And another thing is who in their right minds laughs and jokes about a woman that has been brutally raped online with others. Well they have and I find absolutely NO humor in that.
To “me” - I know you’re not me. I’m me. But I’m not you. You are me. (Got an Abbott and Costello routine going here! LOL!)
Most of the ant supporters didn’t seem to have read any of the evidence in that case.
This case seems different to me because so far there is a lack of evidence available to us readers that either proves or disproves it. Jan and Simon and others are in the process of investigating this. I think it’s their (and others’) right to do that without being badgered about not having all the answers yet. They will publish what they find (no matter where the chips fall) when they decide to. They are not under a gag order, neither is the radio show etc - only the mother is as far as I know.
I will also stick up for the right of people to totally believe this is happening - based on the video or based on nothing - whatever their reasoning is. That’s their right too.
I only hope that someone can get to the bottom of this - and fix it if it needs fixing - so we can all rest easy about it.
Every other reason aside - this particular issue is important to Jan and Simon and a lot of other people and I believe those of us who enjoy blogging here should have the common decency (manners?) to respect that.
mee… our holding back on these documents has nothing to do with a gag order on us. We have our reasons and it is our choice at the time.
A piece of advice, tune into Bubba’s, we might just know something you don’t know!
Butters, if you actually had something interesting to say or some intelligent question to ask, then manybe I wouldn’t have said “aren’t you freaking listening?” I believe that you, too, are only in here to make trouble. I have every right to say what I want to say. If you take it as being rude, then so be it. I am not attacking anyone.
Asking questions about the validity of these accusations is understandable.
Baiting other posters with insinuations and sarcasm is quite another.
People can be on either side of this issue and should be able to discuss it respectfully with one another. The problems start when one side or the other begins talking down to either or worse simply because of their point of view on it. It’s happened on this blog with both sides.
I also fail to see how the newness of a poster or the long standing status of a poster gives any more or less weight to what they have to say.
A lot of criticism has gone Karen’s way because she was new to this site when she brought this subject to the attention of this site and its bloggers. Then a different fairly new poster AnneA right away got involved. Both were then accused of being in collusion with one another to bring this “hoax” to BNN. Simply because there weren’t seasoned posters.
I myself am a new poster although not a new reader on this blog. Based on how they were attacked early on I was very hesitant to post anything I had to say. I have to wonder how many others out there are just as hesitant.
There seems to be constant questions about where’s the evidence that this is true? Well..for those asking that and not getting any satisfaction - where’s the evidence that it’s not? As far as what has been released for public consumption, there isn’t any of that any more than there is evidence that it is at this point.
Posters stating that “there have been investigations and then closed so there is nothing to this” is one thing…where’s the proof of these investigations and closed files? Do any of the naysayers have those? No, you don’t. Not any more than the people on here who believe there is something to these allegations have any proof to back up their belief.
That’s the whole purpose of why so many are calling for an investigation and protecting this little girl from which ever parent is the culprit.
Let’s not get into “Who struck John?” (like who hit who first, worse, etc.) We’re supposed to be here supporting children not acting like them. At the very beginning harsh words were exchanged on both sides. Jan and Simon asked for a truce. Most agreed and have abided by it but some have not, don’t want to and don’t think they should have to. And that’s the problem.
thank you m2c, we appreciate your support in letting us do this. I never said we was right and I never said we was wrong, just let us find out. In the end everyone will know but for now NO ONE will know unless it is investigating. It is not just Simon and I looking into this, we do have help. Like Simon said one time, that just because we are silent at times, it doesn’t mean we have given up. And there is no way we will stop what we are doing because we do believe in it.
Beast/Sean: You have promised twice that you will not be back. Please, it’s time now to keep that promise.
KarenCCC said,
in May 16th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Butters, if you actually had something interesting to say or some intelligent question to ask, then manybe I wouldn’t have said “aren’t you freaking listening?” I believe that you, too, are only in here to make trouble. I have every right to say what I want to say. If you take it as being rude, then so be it. I am not attacking anyone.
Well Karen that is def. your opinion, real shame you don’t even know who I am. I am sorry I am asking obvious questions that anyone would have asked… and will continue to ask.. I sincerely hope this child will be safe or is safe. And I find it a shame that others have been banned for the same attitude that you have yet because you talk to Connie or are on the “good” side.. you continue to post here.. AND I have the right to disagree with Jan and Simon.. free speech. And many people have voiced their opinions about not feeling safe to say how they feel and have gone else where.. so continue to bag on those who do not believe.. I do not care…I do care about seeing good people being afraid to be on here anymore.
Beast/Sean, you sound so bitter…..
Butters, Please, tell me one person who is affraid to be here. Afraid? Funny. I don’t know you, and am very happy about that. You have every right to disagree with anyone and anything you wish, as do I. I feel you are here only to make trouble. Why do you come here, what questions do you actually ask that have anything to do with Aaliyah? And I don’t speak to Connie anymore, Butters. With all the proof that you and others think they have that I am still speaking to her, go back and read every single one of my posts. All of them save the one about the new judge are answering questions I have been answering for the past three weeks. Which is when I spoke to Connie when all of you were attacking me saying that I was her. You do not bring anything to the table Butters. And your come backs are so childish.
Karen please just ignore sean now, he keeps saying he won’t be back but somehow he feels compelled to keep returning while using a spoof IP out of Amsterdam
I will just continue banning him
Sean, I am not going to argue with you. If you would just step back a minute and hear all that everyone is saying about this proof you so desire, maybe you will understand. This is very emotional on both sides of the fence. What you are screaming for has no relevance to me. I believe a child is in danger, so with my emotions, I will fight until she gets the help I feel she needs. Why is it so hard for you see that?
oops Jan, I am sorry, I must have been typing when your post came over.
What come backs? I was stating what I believe. I will not disclose their names because I do not have the right to single them out but trust me there are QUITE a few people that will probably never come back here because you have belittled them so much.
A very smart friend of mine has said this and look at the proof you have been talking to Connie :
“You and AnneA have both, recently tried to back track and generate posts to deny communication between the two of you and the mother. You did the “back step” in a post on 5/16 @ 8:10 a.m.. Your counterpart AnneA did a similar “back step” in a post on 5/13 @ 6:40 p.m.. You two apparently think these clever little dance moves on your part will avoid a violation of a gag order after the two of you, along with the editors of the site, have stated to anyone who can read how many times you have “talked to the mother”
Let me enlighten you on something. According to a post that YOU, KarenCCC, put up on thread 120689 on 4/30 @ 4:06 p.m……”this is a portion of the email I received from Connie on the 27th:……ON HER COURT DATE 1 WEEK AGO, SHE DID GET A GAG ORDER.” In other words there was a gag order issued on or abouts 4/20. According to the CPC web site on 5/6…”The restraining order and gag order was continued”.
THERE HAS BEEN A GAG ORDER ON THE MOTHER EACH AND EVERY TIME YOU HAVE TALKED TO THE HER.”
So not only do you act rude to others but you lie to them as well.
First of all, isn’t it a restraining order and not a “gag” order? Secondly, isn’t the restraining order restraining Connie from speaking with the media and/or posting her allegations on the internet? If so, what does it matter who on this blog that is not considered media or representing themselves to be media?
correction: what does it matter who she talks to on this blog that is not media?
You didn’t write that now did you Butters? I do not lie, it’s funny that you are making accusations. What Papa had copied and pasted from my post was copied and pasted from an email that I received from saveaaliyah.com….NOT Connie. I tried to tell him this numerous times, he refuses to listen as do you all.
First of all Butters AnneA and KarenCCC are NOT the media which makes it legal for her to talk to them. This person who you talked to and yes I know who it is, didn’t bother to read the gag order though did he?
So IF they have talked to Connie since this gag order was placed she has not violated it. As for us, we don’t talk to Connie, we did before the gag order was placed on her but after we talk to the family.
Talina you are correct! Thank you!
You know, it’s very easy to read back on all of my posts. I have never belittled anyone. I sat there and fought my way through accusation after accusation for two days straight when I finally snapped on C~A. I will not respond to you Butters any longer. When the back of your ears dry, then maybe you can keep up with an intelligent conversation with me.
Jan,
Can you clarify something for us and hopefully put this to rest?
On the restraining order - was it initially just restraining Connie from posting her allegations on the internet when she initially posted the video some time ago and thus this is why her MySpace account had to be taken down? Then a friend of the family created the saveaaliyah site?
Then later, and after Connie spoke with Simon and you (and also after her interview with the local newspaper), is when the restraining order was expanded to also include her not speaking with the media?
If I don’t have the timing of all this correct, please correct me. I see this being questioned a lot and maybe you can give the timeline and details of the restraining order so that people quit misunderstanding what she was lawfully able and not able to do and when.
So tell me Karen show me something that proves I lack intelligence…. because you can say I support a pedophile and you win? No.. I ask questions and you guys can investigate this as much as you want as will I. I will not toot a horn of victory unlike you if I am right. This is about a little girl and you have all made it about Connie and about who is right.
I read the correspondence between you and C~A and i think that you ultimately created that situation and made it blow up bigger than it should of.
Talina,
The way we understand it is that the original restraining order was for her to remove the video and the pictures of the baby from the internet and was ordered to take down her MySpace page. Then someone else not related to Connie started the web site saveaaliyah.com.
After the media got involved an addition was added to the restraining order forbidding her to speak to the media. We have complied with this gag order even though we think it is stupid and it is clearly a violation to her civil rights.
This is how we understand this to be.
It was never our intention to make more out of this than it is. We didn’t start this to cause any grief to anyone. But we are convinced that there is something that is wrong. We view this as a win/win situation. If we find it is a hoax we’ll go on a rampage to get charges laid, if not we will hopefully save this child’s life.
Everyone may not agree with us but all we are doing is asking that everyone gives us a chance. When we get all the facts together we will lay them down and let all of you decide for yourselves if you believe or not.
Karen, I believe Connie Bedwell and family airing this information have invited peoples opinions.
Connie CHOSE to make it our business.
People are just wondering why she begs for help yet has no legal evidence to back it up. If she has been fighting the court system for 2 years where are her files? Does she have legal documentation of these allegations? If so where are they? Has anyone seen the court order where she lost custody?
Yes Jan and Simon say they have documents. If they have something that proves this man is harming his daughter why not do something with the information?
It has been stated Connie couldn’t find a document needed by a doctor, on yesterdays radio show, who is trying to help her. Maybe she needs to start helping herself a little bit.
Her interview with CPC, she stated she refused to co-parent, my guess that is why she lost custody. Only a guess because there is no evidence.
The court wanted a psych evaluation done and by her statement she refused because she had already done that. One more reason to deny custody.
Now she has a gag order in place because of the slander of the father and his family. The gag order never seemed to stop her from slandering the father.
If Connie wants the courts to show her the respect deserved by all, she better respect court orders or she will get nowhere.
Also all the comments regarding the father and the attorney not responding, what do you expect? You only want to rip him to bits. Yet you condemn anyone who doesn’t treat Connie with kid gloves.
Anyone who has heard this story wants this child to be safe. There are two sides to every story.
Maybe Connie believes this is true but it is not. If she has all of this evidence why not show it to the people who were begged to get involved.
Why not debate this issue like all the other cases here? That could be done like everything else in the past.
Butters, my ears are so dry, they flake off, but I can still appreciate your analytical thinking and how, after reading both sides you have drawn your own conclusions. I hope when your kids are off to school you will think Law School; you have a good mind for it.
For those familiar with the Michael Jackson case that also got international publicity, the entire community was out for blood and they still couldn’t nail him. This is such a hard thing to prove unless you are in the room with them with multiple witnesses. Even the documented evidence can be spun from both sides. I feel terrible for the child and hope that Jan and Simon can reveal documentation that will stand up in court.
I do care about children and I care about Aaliyah but I do not want to slander anyone’s name. Hence I have not ever called Connie a single name, I have never called her a liar or anything close to what the father has been called.
They are BOTH Aaliyah’s parents and they should be both be respected until you got a huge heap of evidence to prove other wise.
Its bad enough to be stuck between two parents, been there done that with my parents divorce but to have the whole world in on it would blow my mind being this child.
Thanks Val, I am passionate for the truth whatever it is but I do have to ask questions before I dive in.
Again I will stress that whatever the truth MAY be it will come out and I hope the truth sets Aaliyah free to be safe with whichever parent is more fit.
Somebody, I don’t know any of the answers to your questions. As I said to Sean, none of that is of any relevance to me. I believe this child is in danger, so I am helping anyway I can. I’ll say it again….I DO NOT NEED PROOF.
You will have to ask a family member or Connie for all of your questions. But because Connie can go to jail for speaking to anyone on the internet (posting anything on the internet) I’m guessing you’ll have to ask her family.
BTW, I’d refuse to co-parent with a pedophile as well!
Val, Michael Jackson had money……
I will say this the documents we have WERE filed in court so they are fully aware of the trouble here but are being ignored. I don’t know any other way to make everyone understand.
One of the documents was a report from the visitation supervisor. These visits have to be monitored and a written report of the events had to be filed with the courts. They CLEARLY stated that they were convinced that SOMETHING was going on with this child. We read the official report.
Co-parent or lose custody?
Who’s best interests are we trying to protect here?
It sounds like I want what I want when I want it. Not what’s best for her daughter.
Also you have no proof the man is a pedophile. Any more than I do that he is not.
I can show you a movie with a flying pig but that does not prove it is true.
Maybe in your fight to save this child you could in fact be playing to the wrong player.
Something regarding the father?
Somebody, SERIOUSLY, are you really saying what I think you are saying. I don’t know you, so I will ask, do you have children? Well, I do! And I would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER co-parent with a man that was sexually and physically abusing my child. So, your post has no relevance to me either. I’m done posting to you too.
Do you leave your child with a Pedophile full time vs. half time? I would cling to every minute of refuge I could give her, while continuing to document. The child needs all the good parenting she can get.
Everyone wants to know why we are only taking one side’s story, well Simon and I have tried calling the father a couple times, he won’t answer his phone and we tried talking to his attorney, the first time, they wouldn’t let us talk to her but they put us on hold and then they came back and said she said to tell us “No Comment”. The next time we called they wouldn’t answer the phone.
So we can NOT be accused of only reporting one side if only ONE side will talk to us. We gave them their chance and they refused. You can bet on one thing though, if I was being accused of this I would be out there defending myself and not be hiding.
I have four happy healthy children.
WOULD YOU GIVE UP YOUR RIGHT TO 50/50 CUSTODY WHILE CO-PARENTING TO HAVE 2 HOURS VISITATION WITH A CHILD YOU SWEAR IS BEING ABUSED?
I personally would not feel the need to defend myself if I were innocent.
Cindy Anthony sure does a lot of defending though.
somebody..i also made reports to placer co..very strange in the way they act there..i myself also believe this child is in danger ive said it once allready simon and jan have alot of integrity they would not post something they themselves did not believe is true..you dont have to believe anything you dont want..but why question the people who do??? i suppose its your right but were not going to quit believing…or helping
Val, just as her family has been saying, she tried to do this legally. Did you hear that she came back from Alaska, where they both were safe, because she wanted Aaliyah to have a relationship with her father. There was a restraining order agains Dustin at that time for BOTH of them (Connie and Aaliyah). The courts said they would make sure they were both safe. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. If I were Connie, when I came back from Alaska and found out that I was not going to get the help they said I would, I would have grabbed Aaliyah and ran. I would never have let him see her ever again.
Somebody,
Where did you see or hear that the mother lost custody or even shared custody due to refusing to co-parent?
I’ve never heard that yet. That’s new to me.
I’m not at all suggesting that you don’t know what you are talking about. I’m curious where that information came from
I agree, Karen. It was presented as a choice a. co-parent or b. lose all custody. That is the info I responded to.
Helping doesn’t mean getting on a band wagon for the mother, this is about a child.
Get the facts, don’t blindly acuse.
You can help this child without having to take sides.
Val,I didn’t know who you were responding to. Sorry.
myself i might have done or acted in a diffrent way..everyone is diffrent following court rules..most time its who ever has the higher $$ wins, people think if they do it the right way it will work out sometimes this is not right!!
Talina Listen to the CPC interview. Connie stated they wanted her to co-parent and she said no. She would not co-parent with a pedophile. So then what happened?
no one accused anyone..when i called i said i believe something to be happining to this child and would like it investigated…why wont anyone answer?? why wont they do what most places do by removing a child till it proven safe??? never in my life have i seen a child left with someone untill a investigation is done unless the child is old enough to tell thier side!
did she want FULL custody??? no a coparent rule..much diffrence there!
I am sorry I must take exception to something that was said. I do not like the constant bickering at all. I avoid it like a disease. But sometimes a person just has to speak up and correct an error. This is that time for me.
It was stated when this first came to Bnn there were “harsh words” on “both sides”. Karen and I were discussing this case, and was told we needed to stay on topic. I put my phone number up so Karen could call me so we could continue to discuss without angering the “long time regulars”. Still THEY would not let it go. Karen was belittled and badgered continuously.
I had become a regular on Bnn and got along well everyone, if I had any enemies I was not aware of it. The only thing I did that day was entertain the idea this may be true. I was the next target. We were called scammers, con artists, liars and well most know the names that were followed by our names.
One poster came up with the idea that we were NOT who were coming on now as, we had been there 6 months earlier and this was a scam we had been planning for 6 months! The name calling and attacks went on.
After hours of this behavior from the long time regulars, we both struck back. I think Karen posted a couple of rude posts and I know I posted 2 and then we were done. That is it, that was the extent of our bickering!
I have issued the challenge this is now the 4th time, I challenge ANYONE to show me even ONE post that was rude, nasty, hateful or argumentative prior to the hours of attacks on us.
The long time regulars STILL try to engage and argue with us. We do our best to ignore it. But you keep slapping somebody in the face, you will eventually get slapped back. Yes one sentence in my hateful post was below the belt but unlike the long time regulars, I did not identify any ONE person. While I on the other hand was compared to Cindy Anthony.
I know the long time regulars think they are innocent in all this, but I invite all of you to go back and read the comments. I have done it, and I think if you do it, you will have a rude awakening.
The next victim of the long time regulars was one of their own, mb. Then it was Jan, I’m sorry but if some people are so blind they can’t even see what when on here and the real reason people were banned, their biggest problem is denial.
Jan asked us to keep Aaliyah on the Aaliyah site and we HAVE done that. So they come here to try and fight. This is absurd, and it does not bode well for people who are advocates for children. I am a firm believer in actions are far more telling then words. The acions of some are telling me, some are determined to keep this fight going, and if an innocent child is lost in the process, well OH WELL!!!
Could there be more history to this situation than you are aware of?
Maybe that is why no one is responding to peoples hysterical pleas.
Anna, exactly. When I spoke to CPS, the FBI and left messages for the DA because HE wont answer his phone either, I stated the same thing. I didn’t say anything about Connie or the ped, I just stated that a child seems to be in trouble and they needed to investigate it, it’s the law.
would you in your right mind agree if your partner was a PERV willingly coparent??? no i would not id want FULL custody i would not settle for coparenting…half the week shes molested the other half recovering….wow sounds good to me!!! RIGHT!!!
I honestly am NOT trying to argue with anyone. I respect those that don’t believe this. But you should give us the same respect for believing in it. OK so this whole thing got blown up with people disagreeing. Some came to their own conclusions and stopped after one letter was written about it which later was contradicted by the same person in another letter. Still that is your choice. I get mad when someone comes in here demanding we stop this because I feel they have no right to ask us to. Everyone talks about their right to disagree. Well I have my right to agree with this case and I intend to do so until I see proof otherwise. Yes I have banned others but not for them disagreeing but for them coming here to only cause trouble. Those of you that know me should know me better than that.
I am going to ask you all whether you believe or not just hold back your arguments. Ask questions if you wish but don’t slam us because we believe in it. And for those of you that believe as we do, hold back on the lashing out also. This does nothing but make this more complicated. We are all adults here, I think. Why can’t we act like it.
I have a temper and it does irritate me when I know the only reason someone comes in here to cause us trouble, but that is my right as an editor for BNN. We just want peace. PLEASE
somebody..if were hysterical then are you here to just cause trouble??? you dont like something then leave..no one said you had to come and join our beliefs..you put yourself here…BAD DAY????
Anna, yes, Somebody is here just to cause trouble. She is buddy buddies with Butters, Beast, C~A and Papa. Just don’t respond to her. Nothing she says will ever sway me from me helping.
accually i thought i was friends with the same people..i believe a child is in danger and someone should speak up..if im wrong im wrong but at least it would be checked and made sure shes ok as a parentpeople should be glad someone is willing to go the length today so many people dont..i was wondering where people went to..hm…gotta go in minute supper after sofgtball were hungry….:)
Anna, was full custody an option for her? I thought it was either share or give the ped full custody. Am I confused?
I was asked to get involved in this situation by Connie Bedwell’s video. I did not seek her out. This story came here to me one night.
I am not starting trouble only suggesting you look at this rationally.
I believe a childs welfare is at stake.
Just like all of you I want the best for this child.
But before you beg for her to be removed from the only home she can probably remember, make sure it is what is best.
Karen you are wrong.
I simply am asking questions and stating an opinion.
somebody thats why we asked for a investigation..nothing wrong no problem..but it seems no one wants to touch this, not even a visit when someone takes the child in another room while parent is there and talke…can be as simple as that…anyway gotta cook dinner
Somebody, I am not wrong. When I state an opinion, which doesn’t agree with yours, I am called an “emissary”. At this time I do not believe the father because he has not said that these are out right lies. I don’t see it your way. I see it how I would feel if I was being accused of these things. I would be screaming JUST as loud if not louder that I was not doing these things to my own daughter. I would ALLOW someone to take my daughter out of my home for an investigation to be done. That is the only RATIONAL thing to do. Take the baby out of the home and find out what the truth is.
Val I don’t think Karen will answer.
Not trying to cause trouble I just want facts.
Val didn’t ask me a question.
Karen
I stated you were wrong about my intentions, I believe you misunderstand me, not wrong about what you feel or believe.
I don’t see you causing trouble, Somebody. You bring up good points. No one has to agree here, IMHO, we are all contributing something, well OK, maybe not ME, but…still.
Sorry Karen I was wrong she asked Annea but she might be gone.
Right, it was Anna, but Karen probably can tell me.
I am sorry and maybe I am just cranky today. I just saw where a poster who SEEMS to oppose this story and its validity.
The poster was addressing Karen and stated:
Unlike you I won’t TOOT MY HORN.
Excuse me, poster, whom I will not identify. Have you forgotten the euphoric explosion of celebration going on in the main blog? You know the night another blogger got “PROOF” this was a scam! The constant pages for Jan to check her email. The bloggers all doing the happy dances, this went on for over 2 hours. Could have lasted longer, I got bored and left.
Now as I am honestly cranky and not willing to let known lies stand as truth, I am leaving now. I don’t want to fight, even when I’m cranky and I have enough sense to know, I am the one bickering now.
val,
That’s the wonderful thing about these blogs. We can state our opinion and ask questions. I love to find the facts.
I believe we all contribute something!
Karen, two of your comments are very concerning. first, “you don’t need proof”. 5:53pm
second “you’d refuse to co-parent with a pedophile” 5:54
Do you know how you are coming across? As someone who’s willing to accuse a father of being a pedophile without any proof.
The video was not done by professionals so I can see how others may not think it shows any abuse. I agree a child can be coached.
You don’t need proof Karen but still get to call the father a pedophile? How can you do that?
She asked Anna. I don’t know the answer to that.
Holy Moly, a lot reading to catch up on. Maybe it should be ‘kept in mind’ that these posts were printed out by ummm, someone. I don’t know the motive as to why, but…. hmmmmmmm.
Karen
There are just so many questions that come with a story like this. I respect all that people have done to help this child. I wish a wonderful childhood and life for her.
I just wish I had answers to my questions so I could make an informed decision.
If I recall we all were suspicious DUE to things you were never around to see, very deceitful and hurtful people on this blog. And we were wrong and I do not think I was celebrating and I do not even think I even mentioned it on the blog. I did email people ask them what they thought because it was very out of the blue.
And the toot your horn thing was not even directed at anyone. I was saying that I will not be celebrating that I was right BECAUSE its not who is right and wrong.. its about a little girl.
Jan, is it not the editors responsibility to stop those who are calling this man an outright pedophile? I don’t know if he is or isn’t but they should not get to say it as if it’s a fact. Currently it is not
And I find it very condescending to talk crap about me and not even mention my name, if you were trying to avoid talking to me and you do not want to cause disruption in this blog you wouldn’t say anything at all.
I have said all I can say to you, if you wanna run blindly then go forth. Because you do not need proof to call a man a pedophile.
Perhaps “alleged” would be better, but since this is clearly from the mother’s point of view I think the term is quoting her.
Trish Mac, have you read all my posts???? I don’t need proof, the baby needs to be taken out of the house and have an investigation done. ITS THE LAW! It’s my opinion that he is a ped. I can do it just as easily as everyone is calling Connie a liar and a scam artist.
Hey, tell Papa that Spacely and he called me Emissary……that’s why I posted it.
Starting trouble?
Anyone that calls Connie that is told to leave.
It’s wrong for you to call a man a pedophile when he has not been convicted. You’re opinion is slanderous I suppose.
I’m not sure pulling the child out of the home without substantial evidence is a good thing. I won’t rush to judgement and decide she is abused so we should demand her removed from what may be a safe enviroment. Its not the law, I work with the law. Children remain in homes all the time when investigations are done.
I’m not starting trouble Somebody. I’m deciding to remain neutral and not call either sides any names.
Does anyone have the truth regarding Connie being turned away from her scheduled visitation with her child and being screamed at?
Trish- sorry my post was slow and a response to Karen.
I respect questions and opinions.
oops I ment I respect your
Okay Somebody. I was just replying that I think all the name calling should stop including toward the father. If he’s charged n convicted that’s one thing.
I work with police and they get false reports all the time even about sexual abuse. I can see both sides. I can see how much harm it can cause everyone. I can’t see how pulling a child out of a home based on this is okay. I guess that’s why they have not done that.
OK Butters I will use your name if it is more acceptable to you. I don’t like calling anyone out.
You are right, you did come in AFTER the announcement was made, that there was proof positive with this case. Based on an email. Oh it was all very coded and double 07 like. When you came in, you inquired about what was all the happy dancing for and you were told in the aforementioned manner. At which time you began asking to be emailed the “evidence” so you could see it to. You were told it would all be revealed soon enough. At which point you said something to the effect of, ok you would wait but you would join in and celebrate with the others. I am almost positive that is what transpired. However if I am wrong, I will gladly eliminate you from that situation and apologize for my bad memory.
I don’t want to add to this mess Karen. Everyone should stop calling the father anything. Everyone should stop calling Connie anything too. I went from supporting Connie to becoming neutral after listening to the doctors Friday. Many answers are needed. Good evening all.
Trish, you asked me a question, I answered it. I don’t think you are adding to any mess. I will stop calling him a pedophile, but I won’t call him a father.
Papa, did I say YOU said it first? No, Spacely called me that and then I posted it and then you have called me it ever since.
Trish Mae
You make very informed and respectful posts. I agree with you.
I don’t think name calling helps. I just wish someone would answer questions without getting mad or saying it will be revealed later. What’s wrong with revealing all the facts now?
If I had any documentation, I would post it for you. I haven’t asked for any.