I am not sure how it happened but suddenly BNN has become a center for children stories. I doubt that few news organizations have covered the Caylee Anthony and Haleigh Cummings to the depth we have, and we continue to do so.
Unfortunately we do not have the man power nor the resources to work on every missing or abused child case that heads our way. I wish we did, but it is not possible at this time. BNN takes information very seriously, we have to. If we are not sure of our information we put ourselves in a bad place. As it is, I have already had to deal with one jackass pompous lawyer this week, threatening all sorts of exciting things because of an article. The strange thing is that his name was not even mentioned in the article. My response to him was that he likely should have kept quiet and continued billing his clients, but now he is on my radar!
Jan and I were approached with what looked like one of the most appalling cases of child abuse we can conceive of. The victim is two and a half years old, and supposedly has been sexually abused by her father, who incidentally has custody. There is a YouTube video purportedly telling the story to her mother, neither are seen full face. It is a truly horrible story.
Question one, why does dad have custody and not mom?
The location of this child is a small town north of Sacramento, California. Auburn is a town of under 50,000 citizens, but does have a daily newspaper the Auburn Journal. If anyone could confirm the truth behind these allegations the local newspaper would be the place. A conversation with a news reporter revealed that they had heard the story, but like us, were finding problems confirming it.
A call to to Auburn police department got a rather cool response, someone will get back to me.
What is interesting is the research that Jan has done, finds that the distraught mother Connie Bedwell is accused of turning down offers to help, preferring cash help instead. That makes one wonder. Another curious aspect is that one source told us that Connie was only permitted two hours a week of visitation rights, and they were supervised. That obviously creates an issue with the YouTube segment. I doubt that this video could have been made under those circumstances. The information we have received is that this video was made about a year ago while the mother still had custody of the child.
As I said before, is this real or is this Memorex? If it is real, then we have a very serious situation. If it is Memorex, we have a huge scam. To add some drama the mother is supposedly under a restraining order to not talk to the press. Anecdotal data says that CPS have been informed, but have yet to act on this particular allegation.
If this is a real situation something needs to be done, and Jan and I will leap in feet first. But until there is some proof we will sit on the fence.
If you have actual proof, contact us. We will listen. Just leave a comment, we will get back to you. Put in a valid email address it will not show in the published comment.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackNice Simon! I fully agree with you until there is proof I will join you and Jan on that fence.
simon great post..i was wondering if this was true why did the mom make a vidio instead of packing up her child and moving, custody or not, also why would she refuse help from traind individuals and prefer cash??? the services of someone trained in this field willing to help is worth alot more than cash unless you are not being truthfull..this person has got people on bnn scrambling around finding resourses for her and has alot of good hearted people concerned for this childs saftey, sure they wonder if its a hoax but thier main concern is for this child if this is true, if its a hoax i myself would be relieved only because this child is not enduring this(but others are) and if its a scam then some other child who needs help people wont respond as fast because of this..if there is any truth to this please contact the proper athoritys, and if its a hoax please stop you might be delaying another childs chances!
darn it!!! thought i was first!!! i thought i felt someone elbo me in the ribs as i was sprinting here!!! OWCH!!!!
I spoke with Connie today for over an hour. She cannot come here and speak of the her plight. She has a gag order placed on her and she can not contact ANYONE. The Auburn Journal spoke with her today, she said that a letter (and I guess a couple of other people have sent) prompted the reporter to contact her. She spoke with the reporter because THEY contacted her. I have called the FBI and the DA, she is anxiously awaiting their calls, she says if they contact her it is not violating the court ordered gag. She stated that the baby was taken away from her because of the allegations of sexual abuse, not because she fled to Alaska (I thought it was Canada, but she confirmed it was Alaska). SHE NEVER has been offered help from ANYONE that doesn’t want money. Money that she doesn’t have. She is ordered to pay child support and she has to pay almost $400 a month to even see her child….the supervised visits two days a week for an hour. She also told me that Leonard Padilla is going to help her. He told her that he was going to do some investigation and then get back in contact with her. She is anxsiously awiting his call. She said she doesn’t mind people thinking it’s a hoax, she said it keeps people talking about it and that’s what she wants. She has the video on a dvd, so if we need it, she will get it to us. She is on the up and up and I am doing everything I can to help her. She said Aaliyah is doing as well as can be, but she is just so confused and unhappy. She is singing songs to the fact that her mommy is dead. She is stomping her baby’s and burying them saying they are dead. She hates beds and won’t sleep in them because of what that b**tard is doing to her. As I said, we spoke for over an hour. She stated that the whole Placer County judicial system is connected to one another. The police HAVE NOT helped her, and contrary to the website, they have not and will not look at the video. Her ex has conviced two judges she is insane – she stated that they peer down on her as if she is a child and says, “We know you believe this is happening to your child, but there is no proof” She stated that this new judge, Kearney, has presided over her case before and had a restraining order placed on her ex because of a baseball bat incident and that he was NOT allowed near the child. She was replaced by that Penney judge and all that got thrown out. She is not being as silent as her friends say she is. She is out there everyday trying to get justice and get her daughter safe. She is going to keep me informed, and as I get information, I will let you know. OH! And this court date on the 6th is her ex is trying to keep the gag order and restraining order extended. She needs a lawyer, but has no money! So I am now asking again, if anyone knows a lawyer that can help her, please let her know at the website. Thanks Karen, her “Emissary”
i hadn’t really read alot on this topic, but have gleamed the just of it, and have refused to watch it, but basing that on what i read from you all, and now your article, I am gonna lean on maybe its a scam…the fact the mother is on supervised makes me think that, and well, i think by now someone would have intervened and done something if it was real and lingering for a year. but i dont know the whole entire story, i pray its a scam and not real.
Its child exploitation whether or not it is true….these ppl are exploiting this child.
and further, I know firsthand that people who cannot afford lawyers can def can legal help with custody orders and that stuff, all for free… they have to look for free legal help in their cities.. there are good legal offices for the needy, everyone can get help, so I would wonder why this hasnt happened for her?
You call your states bar association. They will find free legal help.
oh no …not the dreaded is it a scam or isn’t it!
yes there is free help for these kind of cases, and issues with custody and supervision and all that with help going to a judge…actually anyone can do their own custody cases if you wanna take time to find all the papers you need, its all their at your local family court
Her ex has conviced two judges she is insane – she stated that they peer down on her as if she is a child
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How does this happen? Does that mean I can call Strickland and convince him that maggot is nuts and hang her?
Thats why I dont even want to blog here I dont want to be mixed up in this again…for real…
Are you over here? SUCKS>
dork…ya, I’m staying away from it!
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… Aaliyah 123456 aaliyah aaliyah aaliyah aaliyah Aaliyah Aaliyah aaliyah …… bedoy bedros bedros bedrosian bedrosian bedwell bedwell beebe beebe bee …
WHAT THE F IS THIS?
google.ca/search?q=aaliyah+bedwell&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
I GOOGLED THE NAME…GREAT! Her name seemed odd to me… i lie a bed well
wow!
Pammy does the childs name sound odd if you say it like in a sentence? Wonder if a birth record for the child has been searched for online…
JAN DID YOU GUYS DO A BIRTH RECORD SEARCH …maybe we should ask karen-cc what place and date of birth is of the child..???
jan and simon are out getting a DONAIR! Now beast and I want one too…AND YES PICKLES…BEAST IF FINE THANKS FOR ASKIN DAHLIN! WHERE ARE YOU GUYS…I gonna get the scissors soon!
yah i also went googling and didn’t find much
theres so many scams out there. not saying this isnt a real case and all, but
sorry their showing cindy anthonys face on screen in the green sweater and i got distracted lol
but yah i dont know what to think of this. I don’t wanna say these caring people who have come here arent legit, its just i don’t know.
NG show the lady lawyer saying this new stuff today is NOT good for pros.. BLAH! becasue theres no cause of death etc…
I have yet to see any news article on this…so until i do I am staying out of it…if Karen cc is legitimate…she should be able to produce something on the blog “herself” right from the mother…I’m sure mother can give something to family member to send it to karen….so she can post it…
PICKLES…!!!!!!!
ALL OF ng’s defense lawyers stink up the moral!
oops…i made a spelling error!
MY BAD
ALLOW ME TO CORRECT IT…MORALE! dER!
yah theres still enuf no jury is letting this killer go, NO WAY…
KILLR WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER GO FREE AGAIN!
CA, what is it that you want me to get? I don’t live near her, so I can’t get a copy of the dvd today, but I can ask her to send me a copy. What else can I get?
And I think her last name would be the father’s “Thompson”
Typical
Karen CCC…..I’m posting this here as well as the other article.
This Aalyiah case has my head about ready to explode.
I mean one minute it seems credible….the next it seems like a complete scam. I can’t for the life of me believe the mother is just now putting this out. Either the State Attorney General, the F.B.I. or someone would either have listened to me or they would have had to lock me up. Every newspaper in the country would have heard from me. It just doesn’t make sense to me. She’s waiting on the F.B.I. to call now she says, but SHE didn’t call them, apparently Karen CCC called them. She talked to the newspaper today, but SHE didn’t call them, Simon called them.
I keep hearing this gag order talk, but according to a post yesterday from Karen CCC, the gag order JUST went into effect a week or so ago. Here’s the part of her post @ 4:06 yesterday…………………….
ON HER COURT DATE 1 WEEK AGO, SHE DID GET A GAG ORDER
I don’t want to hear the excuse of apparent non action being because of the GAG order. I want to hear why she didn’t go up the food chain LONG ago. The only reason she’s waiting on the F.B.I. and a newspaper now is because of people and information from BNN.
I flat out don’t understand.
Papa, your head is exploding, so is mine. I didn’t say that she got the gag order a week ago, I copied and pasted that from an email. I don’t know when that blog was written. I can tell you are a good judge of charachter. Call me, I will give you her number and you can speak with her. She is fighting as hard as she can. My number is: 229-794-1838. She is desperate to find help.
I contacted the Auburn Journal April 28th….they said they called her today because of a liteny of letters and calls about this.
hey everyone.. winding down finally..lol
pickles you still here?
Karencc Honestly….you must be a family member …I just don’t see a complete stranger being this involved and this in the know of a “strangers Plight for help” Your giving your personal phone number out so millions of peeps can call you at their will….WHO ARE YOU REALLY!
I am not trying to be rude….AT ALL….. please don’t be offended! I just don’t get it!
That’s because YOU don’t care about this child! I FREAKING DO! I DO NOT KNOW HER AT ALL!
How does someone NOT get offended by someone telling them what they MUST be? I am a mother of four children. I do not want this to EVER happen to them. I want laws changed! I want people to CARE again! I want this child SAFE!
karen….don’t get upset…and please don’t tell me how i feel. I do care…You don’t know me AT ALL…to say that! Quite the contrary…I do care about ALL children…ESPECIALLY ones like Caylee and Haleigh…do you know of them? I have sat on this blog for almost a year “CARING” about children I have never met!
C~A abandon ship!
Karen….that was simply my opinion…I am entitled to it even if it frustrates you and I’m sorry for that…Times your frustration by a million and that’s what is felt in this room for almost a year now!
You seem so desperate…how can you expect anyone NOT to ask questions and be skeptical?
C~A bounce with me out of here….come on love!! ♥
Papa, Spacely, Jan, Simon, if you want the number for Connie let me know. All others who are not in this to help. Please don’t respond to my posts. Thanks a bunch!
karen….you just lost me! I am askin questions cause that is human nature…I was polite and I was also apologetic in case you took my post the wrong way. With that attitude, nobody is gonna help you! How is anyone to help without askin questions huh? We just supposed to take you at your word, a stranger to the blog…and do what you ask without question huh! NO!
Why dont’ you just walz your way back out the door and converse with your HELPERS on your own time in private!
PICKELS ~ EMAIL ME THE BLOG WE’RE ON!
good bye!
This thread is about choice in if its a scam or is it child abuse WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE THE AUTHOR GAVE US THAT RIGHT TO THAT CHOICE..this is a blog….there is going to be tons of ppl stating there choice and opinions so Karen I dont think its fair of you to say it like that…no one has to respond to posts any how its not a requirement.
Im sorry Karen but this thread asks a question and that question is Internet Scam or Child Abuse YOU DECIDE…that is a question given to all the readers…..
C~A doc dump
C~A dork you!
I cannot make you believe anything I say, so I really don’t care what you think of me or anything else. I gave you all an out, contact me and I’ll get a number that you can contact her yourself. I don’t know what everyone is all afraid of, unless it’s the truth. And if someone doesn’t “help” me cuz I am angry that I have to sit here and re-answer the same questions over and over again…then oh well for me. I am not asking for help for me. Aaliyah, who is not dead (rip caylee) or missing (god help you haleigh) needs the help.
Simon, I am impressed Wow you did this in a hurry. I have spoken with this mother at length. I even told her there were many skeptics, he reply was “Thank God’. She says she hopes everyone who is skeptic and thinks this is a scam call FBI, the governor ANYBODY you will investigate. She is thrilled about all the reactions. Good or Bad, it is shining a light on her daughter’s situation. She welcomes all investigation.
Well I saw this site Simon set up and was so impressed, I just posted without reading and finding out the temperature in here.
Look I don’t know what to say to anyone. If you don’t think its real, well we all know there is no shortage of scums who will say anything to get our money, so your skeptism is understandable.
She is not asking or expecting a big payday from this, we wanted the situation brought to light. That has happened. She actually cried, tears of joy. I told her I could not get her an attorney but I could tell her some things she needs to gather for court. She again was elated. She never one time ask about or talked about money.
If anyone cares to there is a person who posted on the other site by the name of Ann Clotter from Tex. post # 165. If anyone would care to look up the IP address, I am pretty sure you will find its from CA. in fact its Daddy I am almost certain. I would look it up by I don’t have the expertise to do it. My husband does and I am going to ask him to do it when he is available.
Is anyone on here now or has all left?
At least at the end of the day if its real then we will have done things to help her contact FBI etc.. and if its a scam I still have my money in pocket..
Not to offend anyone but I really really don’t think its legit right now…
Butters are you still here?
I would like to pose a question here and I ask any who read it to just think about it for a moment.
A few weeks ago if Sandra Cantu had not disappeared and later been found murdered. But she had gone home and told her mother what happened to her and her mother called the law and she got the same response the first little girls mother got. The law would not even consider that Sandra’s mothers story was remotely possible.
Sandra’s mother kept fighting and no one would hear her. In desperation she made a video. Sandra was on it and told about what had happened to her, Sandra was not alone, her mother and her aunt was with her. They never showed Sandra’s face, filmed it in a dark room to protect her identity.
NOW BE HONEST HERE PLEASE….. How many questions would you have had? How many of you would have believed Sandra? The police were certainly not taking it seriously so why would we. Who among us would have believed anything she said? Who would have considered for ONE MOMENT that a mother of a 5 year old girl, granddaughter of a preacher and she herself a Sunday School teacher, was drugging and raping little girls behind closed doors????
Just a question,
AnneA…..If I understood your post correctly, you have spoken with this mother at length. I am asking you, did she give you any idea as to how long this gag order has been in effect ?? Earlier in a post at 8:22 I pointed out that Karen CCC had posted at 4:06 yesterday indicating that the gag order had been in effect 1 week.
The post from Karen yesterday started out by explaining it was from an e-mail she received on the 27th from the mother. After I made my post at 8:22, Karen responded and said the post of hers from yesterday was from a blog she copied. That’s not what she said yesterday in her post at 4:06…………………..
KarenCCC said,in April 30th, 2009 at 4:06 pm Spacely, this is a portion of the email I received from Connie on the 27th
Additionally, somewhere along the way today she said that the next court date was to extend the gag order. So for those reasons, it appears that the gag order is fairly recent.
The reason this seems to be of issue, at least to me, is that I can not understand why this is just now coming to light. It does not at all seem logical that a mother, knowing her child is being sexually abused would not have already raised holy hell far above the local corrupt judicial system.
If you haven’t yet, please read my 8:22 post because it explains what is one of my hardest hurdles to overcome in terms of completely wrapping my arms around the story.
When I questioned the “professional” appearance of the video, it has been explained to me by many (including Karen) that the necessary equipment was not expensive or highly technical. So if that’s true, it would appear she, or someone she knows, certainly knows their way around a computer to produce this video. My point is, if she could produce this video, how could she not know how to research the options available as to legal representation as well as how to contact the DA and the F.B.I. herself ??
Anne, I an simply groping trying to understand how a mother could see her daughter in this situation and not have done what seems so obvious to me that she could have and should have done ??
I am trying very hard to accept this, but I’m hoping you can help me resolve this question.
Papa I am here and will answer any questions but I type slow so bear with me please.
AnneA…to respond to your post @ 9:42, if the hypothetical video from Sandra’s mother did not show Sandra speaking, as this video does not show the child speaking, I would have EXACTLY the same questions if this much time had elapsed before I heard about it.
I wasn’t going to respond ,
look AnneA In Life there are no guarantee’s,
we dont know whats in store for us /no one knows,
BUT when someone plans our fate , then its time to take control.
no one wants to be ripped off or made fools of,
we are here to try to help in any way , well not including me I dont have the ability . but there are really great people here.
I find the whole thing very confusing , myself.
I know some men are hard to deal with , custody and so on, but there is help for woman in horrible situations ,
the only thing Id like to hear from the mom Connie . or I’d like her to do is .. when she has visiting with her daughter? Please take her to a Doctor, for a phyicial examination ..
maybe the Pediatrician can find signs of sexual abuse or something , thats the only suggestion I can give the mother ..
OK first Papa Yes I did talk to the mother at length and I will tell you she is very credible. I didn’t ask her anything about the time the gag order has been in effect, but she is very forth coming so I am sure she would tell us. This has been going on for 2 years. The mother discovered the father was abusing the baby and ran with her. Well I can tell you IF a parent leaves the state with a child before the court has made a custody ruling, that parent usually loses the child. The mother was lucky when she was ordered to appear in court. The judge looked at the evidence (not the video, it didn’t exist at this time) and SHE the judge ruled against the father. He didn’t have any visitation at all.
the original judge who heard the original case was reassigned or something, she was no longer hearing family cases. Enter new judge, new judge refuses to even look at the original evidence. He petitoned the court and began a campaign of telling the world she was crazy. Apparently the father DID NOT do anything about seeing his child UNTIL the original judge was gone and the new one was in place. The new one is somehow connected to the fathers attorney’s sister.
Yes Papa we would all have had questions, that is my point. But all our questions would have been valid but the fact is as hard as it is to believe, this mother, sunday school teacher and granddaughter of a preacher WAS drugging and raping little girls.
Papa the court order reads The mother is forbidden from contacting anyone regarding this matter. She is forbidden from putting it on the net. HOWEVER if someone contacts her, she can speak, in the dad’s attorneys rush to stop the mother from talking, he didn’t cover all his client to well. the order says nothing about if people contact her. She can’t be held in contempt if we call her.
She has been fighting someone with power and money and all doors have been shut in her face. He has many many friends.
She knows that allowing her family to post this may back fire but she can honestly tell the judge she didn’t put it on the net.
AnneA….I know you are a mother yourself. Does it not seem that, if the local level of justice was crooked or flawed, you would have raised enough hell that a newspaper, the DA, the F.B.I. or someone further up the food chain would have heard you in 2 years ??
I can assure you, if I could not have received some kind of help for my child in that length of time, I would have given her the ultimate and absolute help of killing the bastard.
I just don’t understand how, what appears to be, a technically “savvy” woman didn’t find the resources to help her daughter if this is true.
nana yes there are agencies. legal aide etc. When a mother calls them she is put on a waiting list and can be expected to talk to an attorney depending on the case loads in anywhere from one to two years. Call your local legal aide and see if that is not the anwser you get.
Hmmm Aaliay A LIE AAAA? A liar?
Bedwell. Strange name.
Bed well?
Papa I am trying to answer your concerns sorry I type so slow. I talked to her at length. She is SO thankful for all the calls made. She will talk to anyone who calls her. The court order states she can iniate contact but if we call her, she can talk. its all about how the order was written and that is how this one is constructed.
AnneA you seem to know more about this breaking story then KarenCCC .
are you two in on this together ?
you had been in here days talking about rape victims and all of a sudden KarenCCC comes in & you know more than her ..
I’m really suspicious of both of you,,I dont think there is any connection with you two & the Video at all
GOOD NITE
She is scheduled to appear back in court on the 6th. Apparently the attorney has seen his error in not with the gag order. The hearing is has been requested by the father. he is asking the court expand the order to forbid her discussing this case with anyone. Completely keeping her mouth shut.
AnneA…..Putting aside for the moment my question and concern, as a direct result of this being brought to the attention of BNN the following has happened…….
You have contacted a child advocate in California who is looking into this matter.
The DA for Placer County, CA has been contacted.
The F.B.I. has been contacted.
The local newspaper was contacted by Simon and is now investigating the story.
The Roseville Police Department was contacted by Jules.
Do you have any thoughts as to anything else that can be done by any of us at this point ??
Papa I don’t think they are technically savvy. They managed to get the video up but didn’t know how to get it to all the sites it is now on. I think they are limited in puter skills. She is thrilled people are reacting even the angry ones. they are making calls to get her exposed for a scam, what they will find is a little girl being horribly abused.
Papa I read your post about my being to sensitive to this.
Maybe I am, but not without the knowledge of what can happen. I have seen her story a thousand times over the past 40 years.
Yes I have children 2 daughters and a son and I know one day I will be dead and gone. I pray to God if any of my grands are being abused that I will have earned enough good karma for them to reap the benefit of it and someone will help them.
Papa you don’t know me except in the same capacity I know you. I put my name and phone number out there today. I am considered by even the court to be an expert in child sexual abuse. Not a good thing to be expert in I can tell you. But anyway for what its worth, I have no doubt left at all that this child is being abused right now, he could be hurting her right now and it is killing me.
I understand questions and skeptism I really do. I DO NOT understand what feels very much like mocking and anger coming from some. As has been said everyone has got their money in their pockets.
I guess what I know most of all is, when it is a possibility why would we get attitude over it. Child advocates ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS assume there is abuse and if there is you have done your best, if there isn’t no that child is not in danger and will not suffer from being doubted.
The mother is really thrilled the original Judge is back on the case. The one who saw all the facts in the beginning. That judge was so convinced the mother was telling the truth, she didn’t even punish her for hiding the child. She took all visitation away from daddy.
Dirs mah Papa!! Papa wahsn yew dohn ovah har? Papa cohm bak nohw
papa 10:25 post NO there is not much more to be done, unless we keep the pressure on the officials and send them a clear message. We are watching this case and they better get to the bottom of it!!! period.
AnneA I am confused too. Maybe the mother shut down after awhile? If you keep getting knocked down in Court, and the horror of all of this … I wonder what shape she is really in? What shape would I be in?
I had a camera that picked up things in the dark. I just set it up (for my Stalker) like a normal camera, and it took no real skill. Just read the directions and set it up. It was no different than a normal camera. I am not good with things like that, but did it.
The audio part of that video is very very distressing and I believe that part. Why did they make the film the way they did? How about filming it in reala time – when it happened? Could have filmed her hands, feet, etc.??? OR was it made only with audio, so as not to “turn off” the little girl from “telling”?
Maybe we should write a list of things here that bother us and disturb us. They could be taken to the mother and hear what she has to say about each and every point? Maybe they can all be explained? Then maybe all of our doubts might be erased and this group could move into ACTION?
AnneA….In closing for the night, I would appreciate it, when you talk to the mother again, if you would please ask how long this gag order has been in place. The answer is important to me if no one else….. Good Night
I am by no means telling anyone to send their hard earned money out there. Not at all, I am saying, this case has been brought to us and how can we truly be advocates for children and turn our back on this child. The attention this case is getting and hopefully will keep getting until they are back in court should be enough.
Papa I will be glad to but if you would like to ask her yourself I have her number and she has given me permission to give it to anyone who is calling for her or against her.
Heart 10:42 post— As I understand it the child is afraid of beds. She begged her mom to let her sleep on her mattress on the floor beside the mother’s bed, Mom fixed her up a little cot, shut the lights off and attempted to get the baby to go to sleep. The little girl began talking. The mother got up and turned the camera on and for the next 27 minutes the child kept talking. The mother got upset and just didn’t want to hear it anymore, she kept asking the child to go to sleep but the little girl was determined to tell her momma what was happening to her. I am sure it was killing her mother listening to that. I would have been insane if my baby girls told me those things. Mothers whose children and fathers to , often have to fight the urge to put the abuser 6 ft under. This mom admitted she had those thoughts but then where would her daughter be, dad dead and mom in prison for murder. She said she knew she could never actually do it, but she sure was angry enough to think about it.
FOR THE RECORD: In case you haven’t noticed I like to say things for the record. The lady named Karen that brought this story to us IS NOT related to the MOM. The mother told me, after her family put the video on the net, a very nice lady named Karen contacted her. In talking with Karen I have learned she is the mother of 4 and she lives in Georgia. She was following another child abuse case and apparently the mother made accusations but was not believed, the father ended up with the kid and a couple of days later the baby was dead. Its an actual case and its true, it really happened. Karen was angry beyond belief and vowed she could never, would never know of another child’s death because she failed to do anything. She is a nice lady and she really wants to help this child. For those of you who don’t understand how she can be this concerned about a child she don’t know, well I guess others could ask us the same questions about our feelings for Caylee and Haleigh.
Well its after midnight here and I am done in. I didn’t sleep at all last night. This whole things has un-nerved me and is tearing my heart out. I hope I can sleep tonight. My mind and body is spent. Goodnight to all.
Hello..anybody here?
It sure has been a lively day. It took me forever to catch up on my reading.
I’m hoping Pickles is saving me a spot cause I’m feeling like yachting.
Woops…….
I’m on the laptop and sometimes I bump things I don’t mean to. Oh well it makes for interesting conversation.
SOMEBODY ARE YOU STILL HERE??? GO TO THE OTHER BLOG caylee anthony doc dump….GO.
Somebody are you still here?
You was just here SOMEBODY if you come back the yacht club is at the doc dump article…
This place is creepy!
pickles – why are you so adamant about shoving your opinions down other people’s throats? you think this is a scam, clearly, ok, so be it, doesn’t mean that others don’t have the right and the forethought to decide for THEMSELVES…you make the entire bnn site creepy by how you post and bully and rant…i see that you are passionate, but wow, as a lead writer for this site you really ought to take some lessons in self composition and not just post every little thought that pops into your head…
Oh what ever Kat I didnt come over here to shove my opinion down Somebodys throat I came over to help that person to the active blog….Kat I will post whatever I want…Hows about you ask Jan if I make this site creepy….or anyone else on it….
What just cus I dont buy this scam im shoving my opinions down ppls throat im not the only one who dont believe it are they shoving there opinions down ppls throats to? So what everyone is suppose to believe this crap…ok then fine…whatever….I would love for you to ask Jan if I make this site creepy….You are dilusional. And yes bring back all my fannery to back you up please I do miss them so!
you are an incredibly sad person you know that? you cannot even discuss this without catty remarks…it is not because you don’t buy this scam you are shoving your opinions down peoples throats, it is when you saturate the blog with posts, basically saying the same thing over and over, coming onto this blog and telling people to stay away from here, calling it the twilight zone…i mean…in the words of casey anthony ‘COME ON’…
Karen I was here saying goodnight and I got a strange phone call. It was a guy and he tells me, I should go to 120707 and see what “my cronies” are saying about me. I guess putting my number out there wasn’t the smartest move I have ever made. I just felt like I wanted to help this child and discussing it on here wasn’t working. I didn’t know how else to get my number to you. I guess I will get the number changed. I have taken it off the hook tonight I am really exhausted and desperately need to rest. I would have called you back but its late and my cell is dead and on the charger. I went to the other site and I was indeed the topic of conversation. Actually we both were. But no biggie, if they are talking about me, they are leaving someone else alone. I am pretty sure they are talking about somebody. Kind of sad tho, I really like some of those folks. Some of them are good as gold, they really are. I am going to keep making calls about Aaleigha and hope it helps. Just from our brief conversations I think you too will keep making calls. Her little voice sounds so sweet, like Caylee’s did in that video of her. I will never understand how people can be so evil. Why would anyone want to silence such beautiful little voices. I am rummy and my eyes won’t stay open so I am calling it a night. Look don’t take what has been said about us personal, I’m not.
Oh now I remember what I was going to tell you. I know you are skipping some of the posts and that is probably smart, save your feelings. hehe Anyway be sure you read all of Papa’s. I have every confidence he will he will make his own decision and it will be based on his personal convictions. He is going to find out what is the what and act accordingly, he strikes me as one of the extra good guys. If he gets involved it will be for the right reason, if he don’t get involved it to will be for the right reason. I get the feeling he may have been a bit of a hell raiser at some point, but I think he was a hell raise with morales.
Karen I know your heart is in the right place. You have done all you can do, you saw the story and followed your heart. Nobody that does that is wrong. In case nobody told you, I appreciate you coming to BNN and I am sure others do to.
I don’t know if you know it but BNN has a radio show to, I have listened to it a few times. Simon and Jan listened to us and I intend to return the favor when I can.
Leave me a message when you get this, I think we will be free to speak in here, I think the word is out on us, according to the comments I read awhile ago. Karen it was nice meeting you, but I can’t keep my eyes open, got to sleep. nite.
After reading about this case several weeks ago I couldnt stop thinking about it….So I decided to help with this and spread the word…After several pages of responses it finally died down..couple of days later a **friend** of the family contacted me and told me that the mother had a GAG order so she couldnt help and we have been talking every since..I started a group on Cafemom (Help Save Aaliyah) all the members that joined where all for helping Aaliyah..I can personally confirm the Leonard Padilla fact.We have a petition going around that is for the saving of this little girl and so far 263 signatures of supporters…Never once has our **friend** asked for money instead she has asked for Prayers and support! I too thought of this as a scam but then I figured “If this is a scam all I have wasted was time…we have done to much “supporting” for her to get away with it IF it is a hoax.All we are trying to do is help save this little girl if it is true.I have found many disturbing facts about Placer and similar situations.Hope this helps!
AnnaA..im still not sure if this is a scam or not, me personally i would have packed my child up and ran to another state to a shelter where they could help me, but in case this is true i did sighn the petition on care2 petition site,,,,i wish this child and mother the best hopefully she can get out of this situation also looking in the putnam co newspaper there is a place to report child abuse has she done this??? good luck kmeep us posted as to what happens with this case!! thank you anna
It is with considerable pain that I have read the posts written during the course of the night between regular members of this site, observers of this site, and newcomers to this site. I am going to respond in that regard at the close of this post, but first I wanted to advise you of the position I have decided to take in the matter of Aaliyah.
I have repeatedly stated over the past 48 hours, since this was brought to our attention, that when I knew the facts, my heart would determine the course of any action I would take.
I have considerable doubt concerning many aspects of this situation. Many parts of the story do not completely add up to me. It has become apparent to me that we may never be able to completely know all of the facts. There are however two facts that can not be avoided. This is either a FRAUD or it is HORRIBLY REAL. In either case I can not sit idly by.
I do not presume to tell any of you how you should feel or what you should do. I have lived a long and successful life that has been determined by walking my own path and trusting my own instincts.
Over the course of today, I will be composing letters and e-mails to the following……..
The District Attorney of Placer County, CA
The Department of Justice in Sacremento, CA
The F.B.I. office in Sacremento, CA
I can not and must not sit idly by and not report either a fraud or an instance of horrible sexual child abuse. My heart will not allow it. I have a meeting with my attorney Monday afternoon, where I will ask for his input and possible suggestions.
With that said, I would like to specifically respond to the turmoil of the late night posts.
“Pickles is a bonafide trouble maker. She describes herself as a short tempered, foul mouth, degenerate blogger.”
These words come directly from the BNN biographies of the radio show cast. She has a style all her own. No matter your opinion, love her or hate her, she provokes emotion and starts a thought process. In my opinion, she has a heart as big as all outdoors. In her articles, you can feel her passion and pain for the tragic cases she writes about.
Before any of you think she is simply talk, go back to her posts of 5/1 at 12:58, and 2:30. Pickles took action for Aaliyah BEFORE any of us.
She has her own style, no doubt. But to doubt her sincerity or her compassion is incorrect. I am proud to call her my friend.
There is no doubt in my mind that from the information available so far this situation demands a thorough independent and objective investigation by everyone from Governor Arnold on down to local Child Protective Services, plus the FBI and the Missing and Exploited Children Organization and any other person or group that can get to the truth about this – and protect the child if that is required.
Thanks to the attention this situation has received and the efforts of some very smart BNNer’s I believe that investigation will happen – IS happening!
What disturbs me is that there are (at least) hundreds of people willing to believe this is true only on the basis of an edited video – those who have signed the petition. Possibly some are also sending money. Their comments show how heated their reaction is.
But the petition is for what? Basically it’s asking “Do you support child molestation and rape?” Well, that’s a no brainer. I think it’s safe to say that we are ALL against it (With the exception of pedophiles).
I think it would be better if the petition was demanding a complete objective investigation.
But I’m not sure what it is asking for. “Help Save” her – okay. But how? Judging from the comments by some signers they want the Dad’s head on a pole.
And that’s dangerous. All it would take is one person with a gun and a few less scruples than the rest of us, to kill him. Based on what? Not facts. Emotion. Just like lynch mobs who hung people from trees before finding out the facts.
So to me it’s GREAT to drum up support for an objective investigation. And for us to follow it thru to the end. But not good to condemn someone based on what little is known for a fact right now.
I think it would also help Connie’s credibility if there were not two pages on the website soliciting funds. Very likely she needs money – possibly just to buy groceries for herself. But the EFFECT of soliciting funds on the internet via PO Box and PayPal seriously detracts from her credibilty. Perhaps some friend put those solicitations on her web site in an honest effort to help but I think it’s doing the opposite.
I am anxiously awaiting news – real facts from independent sources – and praying that this little girl is all right. When we find out what the situation is, we’ll know what to do to help if help is needed. JMO
m2c – excellent post and I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said.
LLP we will all be waiting to hear what you uncover…m2c love ya always!
I woke up this morning determined this is a new day. I started making phone calls. Can’t get an answer anywhere. As I dialed every new number, all I found at the other end was ringing and/or voice mails. Not real happy that nobody works anymore, I complain to my husband. At which point he tells me, Babe its California, its like 5am there. People are probably not out of bed, why would they be in their offices. Besides its Saturday, you will be hard pressed to get anyone today. So its official this case has me rattled to the point I don’t know what time or what day it is. Well I may not get anybody the next couple of days but soon it will be Monday. I am compelled to keep a light shined on this little girl.
Papa I read your post. I am sure you will do the right thing, whatever that may be. I too, must do what my heart commands of me. I can’t forget about this child and I won’t.
Obviously some were disturbed my the post I left on the other article. So be it, I do not apologize. I NEVER ask anyone for a penny. I ask for calls to be made. I think that was accomplished. Some calls were made out of concern and caring others were made out of anger and the desire to expose a scam. Either way calls were made and people are now listening to the claims being made. I feel its a win win situation, if its real, I think it is, the child will get help. if its not, I really hope NOBODY would go to this level, the scam is exposed and the child is still the winner.
I will not be going to the other site. I don’t come on here for confrotation and refuse to keep it going. I have not read the post and don’t intend to. Based on what I have seen in the past I can well imagine I am being raked over the coals. Well like everyone else I have my own mind and heart and must live with the decisions I make. I am nobody’s lap dog not in this life or any other. So those who have taken exception with what I have said, you are pointing the finger at yourself, I haven’t singled anyone out. This is all very high school if you ask me. My emotions let me go there but its a new day.
I will be calling the mother again today. I will relay any messages she has for you. I will tell you, when I spoke to her yesterday, she was just so grateful. She has not asked for money, just that this be exposed. I found her sincere and forth coming, all she cared about was ending her child’s abuse. Something each of us would do in her place.
Karen if you are reading this my phone is back on the hook now. I had to sleep, this was so emotional and it depletes every ounce of energy one has. I will be in and out today. Updating facts as I get them.
I notice questions are still being asked. Many of them are the same ones that have been asked several times and answered to the best of the knowledge available. If you seriously want the answers you post here, please if you go back and read the blogs, the answer is there. If someone has a NEW question, I will try to get the info for you. There is a lot of info on the site the video is on, just click “about us”. If its not in the blog or that site, I will do my best to get the answer.
Anyone wanting to talk to the mother, I have her number and she has said I can give it out. Its here for the asking. I might suggest if this video really disturbs you, as it did me, get the number, talk to the mother. You can then make up your own mind without any influence from those of us who think this is real.
I find it humorous that I didn’t say the first name and yet some ASSUME they know who I was referring to. How funny. Oh well it is a new day.
Yup…how funny eh! Hilarious….
m2c sorry I meant to answer your question. I think the best we can do to help this child, is making the calls. Calls will get the investigation you referred to. I whole heartedly agree. If its a scam, well I have been wrong before and quite frankly I have been foolish before with far LESS at stake.
Head on a pole, ah yes. I am not concerned that any harm will come to this man. Without concrete proof, even those of us who feel outraged, are not homicidal. If my baby’s father was sexually abusing our child, I would want both his heads on a pole. But we all know this is a matter to be handled by the courts. When a man abuses children the men he has to live with in prison, make sure he learns the error of his ways. That is what I have been told anyway. So I think dad will be ok and will have to answer to the law.
AnnaA, Talina,Kat ect. Please accept my aplogies I am very sorry that I acted the way I did you all are wonderful caring loving ppl and I am the shameful foul person. Please find it in your heart to forgive me. I do believe you are so deeply in distress for this child it is rude of me to cut that down with my disbelief in the story. Please accept my humble apologies. I wont express my views on it anymore.
AnnaA I hope you hugged your friend for me.
Now we’ve got real trouble.
Someone stuffed a used diaper up the parrot’s behind (vet is taking a look now – ugh!)
and the monkey’s run off (plus someone’s trying to shoot it!). I’m sure he headed straight for Pammy’s cause she’s got the plank. He’s probably there right now disguised as a kid attending Pammy’s girl’s birthday party! What to do? What to do? Should we send up a flare? Shoot off a cannon? We have to warn Pammy!
(just a little humor to break the mood today, folks – jokin’! So I don’t want no letters from the ASPCA or PETA! And Spacely – unless you want me to send the monkey to YOUR house – you behave too!)
m2c….i think the monkey is in my home!!! ive heard terrible squacking downstairs and a few thrown objects…also a diaper is missing out of the pack…..
he must miss the parrot!!!! please vet hurry!!!
he might have misteaaken my house for pammys as i have cake on the counter…he might be looking for gifts, thats why the screetching and thrown objects…just send gifts to me ill ake sure hes taken care of!!!
THANK YOU, anna! I’ll send the diaper bag along too! And the Parrot (when he can sit down again!) Good luck! They’re very active little minxes!
AnneA, Thank you, for your kind words. I am greatful to have found a friend, hopefully for life. Please let me know if you find out anything else. I have left four messages for the FBI. The voicemail doesn’t give a name, it just states an agent will get back to me. I guess if I keep on calling, I’ll evenutally will get a response? Have a great day Anne!
hello, hope all is well:
C~A @(:37 funny eh ,,, you get it too? jessie
well doggie . I may not be the brightest person in the world, BUT I’ll tell ya I can see through a person sometimes by their eyes or body language ,
now on the internet its hard to accept feelings,such as words of wisdom ,sadness happiness , because we are not together physically ,
lets be honest we really dont kknow how each other feels toward each other ,,,
but I can read between the LINES ,,, I feel some people are delusional, I do not the word for this person ,
she may be Casey Anthony . in disguise ,, she sounds like she is in La La Land dreaming all this crap hav’ing some-one to back her up ,
the words In the Video, may be a copy from another abuse situation ,& not related to Aaliyah and may not be her real name , has nothing to do with this little girl ,it is being used again maybe the little girl in the video is not saying anything period,
I can do that with my camera ,( SOUND,, have Paul Play piano & me sing , but the video is of us swimming ??? thats an example blah
and how Ironic bedwell ,
do you believe me when I said I have 3 children A teacher A once drug addict & an alcoholic for two sons /
well do you really expect me to believe you are married with 2 daughters ? I dont know you from Adam..
didn’t you say AnneA a few days ago your daughter said you needed help that you were delusional. and In the video didn’t the Judge say the mother Connie was delusional its splashed across the screen,, are you Connie? just curious ..I know I wont get an answer,
yes at the beginining of my post ,I’am referring to you ,
I’m sorry I dont mean to insult you , you sounded so convincing in all your past Post before this story broke I had a feeling it was leading up to something,you know AnneA is no skin offM.A believe me I read between the lines ,,,
Like Casey Anthony wanting to work with the L.E. Police delusion or what? I think I heard her mention that during Interrogation ,
AnneE : why dont you give in ??……
short story,,like the guy who broke out of a mental insitution , finds his was to a Hospital puts a Dr gown on in his brain he is a Doctor,,staff really thought he was a Dr, ..just an example of what I’m trying to put across here ,,, I will be here keeping an eye ,,,,,
M@C…..monkey’s peeing onmy floor!!!! HELP!!!
finds his way*** correction
The following has been e-mailed to the District Attorney in Placer County, CA. His e-mail address is…..bfenocch@placer.ca.gov
Bradford R. Fenocchio
Placer County District Attorney
10810 Justice Center Drive Suite #240
Roseville, CA 95678
Dear Mr. Fenocchio,
I am a father and grandfather who lives in Tampa, Florida. I am writing to ask that you look into a situation of alleged child abuse, and alleged judicial malfeasance in Placer County, California.
I am a member of an internet forum called Blogger News Network where members discuss daily the tragic instances of child abuse that exist in our society. Two days ago on April 30, a post was placed at our site as follows………………
KarenCCC said,
in April 30th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Simon and Jan,
Do you have resources to help a child that is being sexually assaulted right now? Please visit this website and tell me how to help this child, Please! saveaaliyah.com
Thank you!
Simon and Jan are the editors for BNN at bloggernews.net. I went to the above referenced site and found it to contain a video. After watching the video, I was shocked to say the least. Further examining the site in the About Us section, revealed an alleged miscarriage of justice that was appalling. This post has essentially commanded the attention of our forum since.
Members of our forum immediately began looking on line for information to verify what is, at face value, a horror story. We have through this investigation been able to uncover the names and Placer County case number as Dustin David Thompson, the father and Connie Bedwell, the mother. The case number is SDR 27409.
Not only has the mother alleged the horrible sexual abuse of her child, as seen in the video, she has alleged judicial malfeasance on the part of Judge Jeffery Penney, repeated pleas for help to Child Protective Services, and inactivity on the part of the Auburn Police Department.
(1) The alleged malfeasance by Judge Penny is described by her as the following……..
BECAUSE THE LASTJUDGE…………. WAS THE HUSBAND OF THE ABUSERS LAWYER. This can be viewed at bloggernews.net/120689 in a post at 4:06 p.m..
(2) The pleas to Child Protective services are described in at least two places. One is in the posts of the “About Us” at save aaliyah.com . It says as follows………
Myself and a number of other people, mandated reporters, and Aaliyahs psychologist have reported the abuse a number of times to CPS.
Additionally, the inactivity of CPS is described at bloggernews.net/120689 in a post at 2:27. It says as follows……………..
cps has been involved 11 separate times or more…because of her complaining about him hitting her and hurting her pee pee…etc
(3) The inactivity of the Auburn Police Department is described in the same post listed above at 2:27 p.m. It says as follows………………..
The detective from the police department never contacted a single person on my 2 page list of witnesses… the departments chief detective in sexual assault had just transfered so they didnt have one during the investigation.
Mr. Fenocchio, I am asking, no I am begging you to watch this video as a father, and investigate this matter. In all honesty, I do not know for certain if it is fact or fiction. It appears to have credibility, but I have no way to know for certain. What I do know for certain is that my heart would not allow me not to bring it to your attention.
In closing, if you find this to be fradulant, please prosecute the party responsible. But if you find these allegations to be true, please take this monster off of our streets.
Sincerely,
Ed xxxxx
“Lexie and Lissy’s Papa” at BNN
Ph: xxx-xxx-xxxx
I am not even on the fence, Pickles. I am surprised that Karen would adamently promote info she herself has not verified. You have to take anything Connie says out of the equation and check her sources. What are the parameters of a gag order? I’ve never heard that it can block to this extent. The phraseology of the first posted e-mail sounds like the person is NOT comfortable with English, as last I heard Auburn, CA speaks it well. The individual reactions to this is pretty fascinating, leaning more emotional than logical. The more this unverified info is spread, the greater the odds emotional reactions will bring in more money for this person before this is investigated and stopped. Connie can count on a small percentage of people to check facts and will recieve a nice sum before it is stopped and then she can switch to another scam. It’s almost a perfect crime. Not asking for money is fine with her perhaps because once the person is on the string, she can always win trust and ask again later. In the meantime, this “cautious” person is spreading the info for other gullible people. Just my opinion and has NOTHING to do with caring about the child. I would save them all if I could, but they’d better need saving.
nana..nteresting…hmm…
LLP…..what a awsome man you are..i aplaud you in your efforts to find the truth, you have a way of writing and explaining the facts, and know the proper route to go…thank you your fellow blogger at bnn….anna(now puffer)..ps im not AnnaA im anna (the original) (bad speller anna:))
wow! Papa thats WORK I pray this is all true & yes take that guy off the street,
he has custody ,, does he have a job? live in girlfriend, baby sitters for the baby : what about his Life ? we need to find out ,,
wow! Papa thats WORK I pray this is all true & yes take that guy off the street,
he has custody ,, does he have a job? live in girlfriend, baby sitters for the baby : what about his Life ? we need to find out ,,
Thank you, LLP! That letter is awesome and just the right thing to do!
Val♥ Have you read the doc dump article?
I’ve read the news about them. Not much in there unfortunately that I saw. I know NG said they matched the shoes to the dirt, and now apparently not. I want the trial to happen and see what the Defense tries to pull!
Papa, I have great respect for you. I believe you would go to any length to help. I haven’t been here long but your true self shines through. Stay true.
I just need to ask one question, and please answer it honestly: Have I ever asked for any of you to send money to this woman?
Ok, I have two questions: Haven’t I only asked for someone to help find this woman a lawyer or help from the psychologist that she says she needs?
I am asking, in all honesty, for anyone to answer these two questions.
C-A I must apologize to you for my outburst last night. No one knows me, but they judge me saying I am part of a scam. That’s fine, ok….I am frustrated and truly scared for this little girl. So to you, I am sorry. And I have NEVER said no one was helping, and I thanked all the people who have, openly on these forums. I am sorry C-A.
Papa, thank you, as I said I have tried to contact the DA as well, but I got a voice mail for Jeff, so maybe I called the wrong DA? But thank you for all your help. I truly believe this woman, and with this being talked about positively and negatively, it is getting the exposure this child needs.
KarenCCC I contacted the Placer county DA and Placer County child welfare services I also contacted the mayor down there whats his name. Please dont think I dont care…..You believe this so strongly and I believe in your faith! I am sorry.
I also contacted the center for missing and exploited children yesterday more then once. I am sorry for cutting down your care and concern for this. I am a remorseful person I am a monster though also…..but ……I am sorry.xxx
Pickles, you really don’t have to apologize. And I don’t think I ever said you don’t care and weren’t helping. I apologized to C-A, I am not usually like that, I was frustrated. It seems as if everyone thinks I’m in on the “scam”. I do believe strongly about this, I guess I am impatient because this child, IMO, needs help so desperately. I am terrified I am going to see this little girl’s name in the headlines that she was murdered by this monster. Terrified.
AnneA, are you here? If you are and don’t want to post, call me please.
Karen CCC…….my next letter, which I am composing now will be to the Department of Justice. If I’m successful, I may be able to secure for this lady the top lawyer in the nation along with an entire country to back her up. That is my purpose. All I can say, is that as fervently as I’m asking for help for her, I am demanding prosecution if this is not true.
Papa, I have asked for the same thing from the FBI, if this isn’t true, whomever this is needs to be prosecuted. Thank you, again.
Papa – Your the best! Good for you! Although I am very very skeptical, I am behind you all the way! Gettin to the bottom of it one way or the other!
GOOD LUCK TO ALL INVOLVED! PRAYERS FOR THE LITTLE GIRL, WHOEVER SHE IS AND WHATEVER THE CIRCUMSTANCES!
Papa, are you still here, I just got off the phone with the FBI, they cannot do anything about this. The gentleman I spoke to couldn’t give me his name for security purposes, but he said that because the video is only of a little girl speaking of abuse, they cannot do an investigation. Now, I have absolutely no idea of what to do. I spoke with him for almost 30 minutes, and he kept saying she needs a reputable family law lawyer…..
Also, they can’t even investigate if it is real or not….if there was any type of pornography or something physcially happening to the child, they could….this is so depressing
Ok.. now I am up to snuff (or whatever) with this story.
Obviously, everyone despises child abusers. That said, I am looking past the “story” and concentrating on the “way” the story has been eeked out.
To my knowledge, a “gag order” means just that. GAG. NO talking or offering information. From ANYONE.
My question is… what kind of gag order gives a person (this mother) the right to yap to everyone and anyone, especially giving out her phone number to people on the internet??????????
Sounds like a lonely someone is sitting at home on the computer and needing plenty of attention. (Ex: OctuMom) “I know, let me start a story about abuse”
Like everyone else has stated, if I’m wrong, then I’m wrong. But, this has “fake” written all over it.
The Internet is a wonderful place. But, sadly, some people consider it their “world”.
The End.
The following has been e-mailed to the Department of Justice and office of the Attorney General for California. The e-mail address is cppdoj.bcia@doj.ca.gov.
***********************************************
California Department of Justice
Bureau of Criminal Information and Analysis
Child Protection Program
I am writing this to make you aware of allegations of a child being sexually abused and judicial malfeasance in Placer County, California. I have detailed the allegations made by the mother of the child in an e-mail to Bradford Fenocchio, District Attorney for Placer County. A copy of this letter is an attachment to this correspondence.
I am reaching out to the Department of Justice and the Attorney General to ask for your help and follow up in this matter. I ask you to read the letter, watch the video referenced in the letter, and see if your conscience does not demand follow up on your agency’s part. As I stated in the letter to Mr. Fenocchio, I do not know if the allegations made by the mother are true. But I do know that one of two things should happen, either a prosecution for fraud or the removal of a monster from the streets of our society.
My contact information and involvement in this matter are contained in the letter.
Thank You,
Ed xxxxx
I googled “saveaaliyah fraud” and got an interesting article from cafemom .com.
I read it Val wasn’t I right ?
I knew this Mother was up to no good & yea she reminds me of casey Anthony ,I didn’t want to comment at that site ,
but I have read some comments on there tho,
they believe the mother ,
and, I would have been in an argument
Karen CCC…..I have done all that I can think to do in the event this woman might be telling the truth. There are apparently two sides to this story as there is to every story. I’m sure you probably are aware of it, but if not, go the the link listed below. I’m am not at all sure about this situation, and it is time I devoted my efforts and thoughts to something I can be more sure of.
You can stick a fork in it, because I am done. I will respond no further to this matter.
cafemom.com/group/103267/forums/read/8743935/_165
Thank you, again Papa.
I am not saying this Child isn’t being abused
she may be,
all I’m saying is these people are up to no good ,
if she is spreading the word that the baby is being sexualy abused I’m sure by now ,its been reported & looked at,
and she MUST stay off the internet making a mountain out of a mole hill, trying to committ fraud ,, I have heard enough seen enough ,, I have had it with this ,,
hi Papa , I have to commend you ,you took time to try to unfold this situation , unravel the twine .
In your efforts you must be exhausted,
we can just do so much ,many people are aware of this (Daddys Worm) but certain ones choose to come in here BNN with their sobbs & frowns trying to distract us from other issues,
Yes it is important to look in this situation where a baby is being molested and exploited . if its true the predator should be apprehended
BUT in Connie’s situation there are other avenues,I’m sure the police Dpt know all about her & her past
Has everyone read the ‘about us’ page at SaveAaliyah .com?
I’ve only skimmed through but does the descriptions of what this baby has said just don’t seem like the vocabulary of a 2 1/2 year old.
Now I’ll go read the CafeMom link but before I do I just want to say that I hope ANY person who tries to scam the public by crying “abuse” is despicable & should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
People like this waste resources that REAL VICTIMS need and worse than that… they cause the public to doubt the NEXT person who comes along asking for help.
Hi LI_Mom nice to see you again.
hi pickles
where were you ? lol
karenccc i dont think anyone here is exacaly woried about sending money as they dont have to, the thing i noticed was the same stufff was asked on another site a few days ago along with the same thankfull and greatfull responsise from the mother people gave phone # advice simmilar as to what was given here , so what i dont understand is the same info was given out b4 and then (they) go to another site tell the same story get the same responsies numbers and advice, i think its more that people (and they dont mind doing any of this) spend thier time looking up info for someone an d if it is a hoax they could have saved thier energy for a child who was really being abused..i think its more of being made a fool of than anything else the people at bnn have BIG CARING HEARTS all they want is truthfull answres to the best of your knowlege, but when a question is aske we get told we dont have to help if we dont want…we know that people have been trying to help for a few days now and no one seems to be even a little bit greatfull, just wanting more…im sorry thats what its seeming like to me the fact the same info was given on 4/27 and on 5?11 is acted like the first anyone has ever heard of it suprises me!!! what about you??
No matter how this turns out, this little girl’s name should be changed. Otherwise this will follow her the rest of life. Normally the courts, counselors, even the big mouth press does not reveal the name of a child who has been or is suspected of being molested.
This is just so sad for her either way.
hi like your comments you are correct theyve been on other sites
on youtube ,, acrossthe screen Donations wtf send me donations I can use some ,,,kidding I use marjarine ,, sometimes Butter & Bacel hahaha
I am on the caylee dump doc blog.
This whole thing is a disgrace and should be brought to the attention of the professionals at MISSING and EXPLOITATED CHILDREN!!enough is enough..yoy got what you wanted Karen!!you have your own article/blogsite…..I think Karen is Connies alter-ego, and now AnneA is conversing with Connie??WTF???it’s like a script for SYBIL!!are there tryouts for the leading role in the area??That said I don’t have time for this nonsense and the authorities should be involved..!!
Jan & Simon have my e-mail, possibly my home address,
so people that have been in here before & have been banned . how do they get bk in & where do they get another e-mai & how does Jan or Simon know they’ve been in here before ..
for some reason I feel I know some one who has not been here for a while??
she is lurking,
I have seen her on another blog, same name but dropped the number…
playing head games is all they do,
have people spinning
we just have to be careful ,
Terisa – Pickles and perhaps others have reported this to the Missing and Exploited Children organization and all kinds of other groups. I’m confident there are good people out there who are aware of this now and who are in a much better position to look into it and do something about it than we are. We have lighted the torch, carried it, and now passed it those who can truly help.
So, it seems the majority of posters on this blog think this story is some sort of hoax.
What say we don’t post anymore about that topic, so Karen/Connie/Whoever doesn’t feel she/he tricked us?
As I stated above, I think its fake. That is MY opinion. And, I won’t post about this dispicable subject again.
I never feed sick egos. NEVER. (turning fork to next person)
exactly ..m2c
and ELAINE , going out for the evening company arrived, see ya all later ..
AnneA, it’s going to get pretty exciting in here in a bit…..I’ll call you!
ok for the record, Simon and I have talked to this childs mother and we are both convinced now she is telling the truth. She gave us information that can prove her claim is correct and once we can get the courts or someone to listen she will be able to get the help she needs only we just hope it won’t be too late.
I can’t expect all of you to believe now as we do but I would appreciate it if you would stop trashing those in here that do believe. This blog is NOT only for Caylee and Haleigh. It is for all the innocent children in the world that need help and I believe this little girl definitely does. We are going to do anything we can to help her.
Connie NEVER asked me for a dime. All she wants is to save her daughter. She is not trying to exploit her daughter. She answered my questions honestly and didn’t hesitate. So please let those of us who choose to help continue to do so.
Thanks,
Jan and Simon
Karen..4:13..are you kidding me?why not email A?what’s the reason for posting,personal messages??you’ve just erased any doubt we might have had..that this wasn’t a hoax..your just a troublemaker..but exploiting children is a crime,punishable by the courts..your a sick person doing this to a child..you need to be reported and face consequences..
Terisa, did you read Jan’s post? I don’t have to justify my actions to you.
Right ON Jan……Im glad to hear there is settling factors to shed light on this tragic event.
Jan..4:16 is this child OK..why are they putting her name out there isn’t that illegal?please keep us posted about the progress in this case..thank you
Terisa I know you mean well but I have to ask you not to talk to Karen like that in here. She is not doing any harm and she is NOT a troublemaker. She is NOT exploiting children and has not broken any laws. Karen has our permission to be in here to try and find the help she needs. She is NOT the ENEMY! Please remember that.
She is now but we have to help her mother. Simon and I are working with the mother now. We are trying to prevent anything else happening to this child. She is the ONLY concern in this so please lay off Karen, she is only following her heart to help
Jan,
I am so glad you have stepped in and said something. I have always lived by, “If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all”. It really makes me feel bad to see the attacks in this thread and has made me think twice about remaining a blogger at BNN. I have pretty much stopped postings and have notice alot of others have done the same, which is really sad…there are alot of great pure-hearted people here.
I am sure I will be black-listed after this is read, but I have stood by and said nothing..and that’s not right either. I love the bloggers here and hope they can understand where I am coming from.
Karen, AnneA, Jan, Simon and the other blogger, bless all of you for trying to protect this child…it nearly ripped my heart out watching that video with her sweet little innocent voice.
Howdy all. I know I don’t write much but I read this blog all the time. Kudos to all that have put forth the effort to contact the proper authorities to find the truth in this matter. All we can do now is wait til Monday, when they all are back to work. I think this is going to be a long weekend for all of us because we ALL are here to try to help our precious children. We can form our own opinions meanwhile, but I get a little disturbed when I here the hurtful words that are said by some. It’s good to express our opinions but they are just that. We need to respect each other while doing so. I’m sorry if I sound preachy.
Lorim!
What?
KarenCCC said,
in May 2nd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
AnneA, it’s going to get pretty exciting in here in a bit…..I’ll call you!
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Wow…you go from scared to death to “EXCITING” in a new york minute…WHAT’S SO EXCITING KAREN? Why are you calling anneA instead of sharing it with all of us?:
Hey Queenie – you from cayleedaily?
No CA, This is the only blog I’ve posted on, tho I read it all the time & I listen every Sunday to Simon’s show. I really enjoy everyone in here. I feel that I know you all but you all don’t know I even exist. It’s kinda funny.
Geez, does that make me a stalker? ol
Queenie I know you!! I seen you post before!!
You aint no stalker
Queenie ha – You’re no stalker. I read Caylee Daily and I’ve never posted over there. Except once, when they had everyone sign Casey’s birthday card. That was a hoot!
Jan,,thank god for you getting to the bottom of this and moving forward,,up to now I have only been a reader here,,I’m a blogger at the caylee daily,,this story of course grabbed my attention and I have been following it since I read it,,I’m impressed with your dedication to finding the truth,,I have read anything on this story I can and I trust what the BNN has reported,,yes it will be a long weekend,,
Jan – with all do respect, Lay off Karen? WOW!
Jan Barrett said,
in May 2nd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Terisa I know you mean well but I have to ask you not to talk to Karen like that in here. She is not doing any harm and she is NOT a troublemaker.
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WOW!!
Wasn’t she the one disrespecting everyone here last night?:????? and her sidekick anneA…I am bout ready to leave this blog too…DROOLIN OVER BABY BONES…that has to be the coldest most disrespectful thing anyone could say to such caring, kind hearted people…
karen was rude last night….and you know what this blog can get like with the likes of impersonators and trouble makers…ALOT of the story wasn’t making sense and we all have our guard up!
ONce bitten twice shy…with out getting into the authenticity of this story…you have to admit you were very skeptical too! You must admit that we have been bombarded with this for 2 days straight..people are guarded for good reason! I have read enough of AnneA’s posts then I care to admit…’DROOLING OVER baby BONES…GAWD…WHAT CLASS! Guess it’s ok for her to say that but we should just all lay off the newbie and the saviour!
That irritates me!
As far as Connie never asking for a dime…well that isn’t always someones motive either!
Kathyjo thank you for your kind words..
cafemom.com/group/103267/forums/read/8743935/_165
you bet pickles,,can’t wait till the show tomorrow
CA maaail!
Thank YOU Kathyjo for tuning into the radio show!! ♥ *hugs* CayleeDaily is cool I read you all all the time….in the shadows…lurking I dont post though…..but I just love you all to death.
Jan if this child is real & can be helped that is wonderful. However it doesn’t excuse the bashing the bloggers here received for questioning & not believing blindly a bizarre video.
If you go back to the 2 days when this 1st broke the blog was consumed w/ emailing or calling authorities to find out if this was true, all the while Karen & AnneA ignored these efforts & continued to yell for help, they wanted this child saved NOW, it hits me wrong when I ‘have to buy now’.
The only other thing that any of our minds could be directed to besides calling LE was the page of Paypal buttons. No need to ask for money, once directed to the site its right there for you.
By the second day the bloggers who doubted the story, w/ good reason, were being deemed uncaring, uneducated, sickos who drool over a babies bones? Really, if AnneA doesn’t see a need to for justice for a murdered child what brought her here in the 1st place?
I feel bad for any child being abused & of course would want to help stop it. I don’t feel bad for not believing a story I felt was being whipped into a frenzy w/o question.
Anything anyone on this blog said about or to AnneA or Karen they provoked w/ their condescending bashes while ignoring that we were doing all we could w/o knowing the circumstances.
The video raised more than a few questions for me- Why didn’t the mother comfort the child in the video, how could you not?
If a child is telling you something bad at that young of an age & the parent cries & tells them they’re sad won’t the child internalize their own pain/guilt, they’re too young to comprehend its not their fault?
What mother listens to a child talk about what they believe is abuse & makes a video instead of going straight to LE or a safe place?
If I were hearing that I couldn’t have laid in a bed crying & videoing, I would’ve been at the very least pacing frantically to figure out what to do?
Sorry, I respect you & it has more weight w/ your words but it still stinks IMO.
Beth – I couldn’t agree with you more….
Butters…wheres the beef butter cup??? NO MAIL!
Ditto C~A
C-A, I was rude to you, and you only. I apologized for that. You can accept it or not. I know that is your choice.
Beth, If you read my posts (ALL of them) I did NOT condescend anyone and claim no one was helping. EVERY single time I said even one thing I was accused of some wrong doing. When it came to the end of the night, I snapped. I apologized.
As for wanting help now? I am sorry that I just wanted someone to feel as I did. Actually, I am not sorry. Jan and Simon now know the truth, which is whom I posted to in the first place. That’s all I really wanted.
Karenccc – You don’t know this mom from a hole in the ground…what do you make of this.
cafemom.com/group/103267/forums/read/8743935/_165
And yes, I can chose to accept your apology or not just like I can choose to post to you or not, just like I can choose to believe you or not!
rude to “ME ONLY”…guess it doesn’t matter as long as you were rude to only one person right!
whom i might add did NOTHING OR SAID NOTHING TO DESERVE IT…
Is “Monkey Girl (anna)” still here? I’m not quite sure I understand your post and the question. I received that video on my myspace as a bulletin. I haven’t seen any of the other sites (until today, Cafemom). So, I didn’t know what anyone else was saying. I got the video and started sending emails to lawyers, the media and then after three days, I finally got the nerve to ask here. Did I understand the question? I’m sorry if I didn’t.
Karenccc – You don’t know this mom from a hole in the ground…what do you make of this.
cafemom.com/group/103267/forums/read/8743935/_165
And yes, I can chose to accept your apology or not just like I can choose to post to you or not, just like I can choose to believe you or not!
I can answer this, but I am afraid you won’t believe it. #165 is the abuser himself #261 is his sister.
C-A, If I thought you deserved it, I wouldn’t have apologized. I don’t think it’s ok to be rude to anyone. I was frustrated.
EVERY single time I said even one thing I was accused of some wrong doing.
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I don’t recall anyone telling you were wrong about anything…I saw alot of skeptical people, alot of people asking questions, alot of people willing to write letters and we all watched the video. You did insinuate with your very post telling me to blow a fish…that those of you who INTEND on helping or want the moms phone number or yours just contact you or something like that…THAT IS BASICALLY SAYING THOSE OF YOU WHO DON’T BELIEVE THIS IS NOT A HOAX CAN GO AWAY SINCE “YOU HAVE ARRIVED” AND THOSE WHO WANT TO JUMP ON THE BAND WAGON WITHOUT QUESTIONING CAN STAY…
That’s rude!
C-A, see, now you are assuming things of me! I was frustrated and didn’t want to have to justify why I was here every single time. People were saying I was Connie or her best friend and all I wanted was money. Go look back on those posts and then tell me what I am saying isn’t true. If I truly believed that “I HAVE ARRIVED” and all you others who won’t believe me then go away, I would have been a lot more rude. And what is wrong with not keeping a conversation with someone if they are just going to tell me it’s a hoax, forget it? I WAS focusing on the ones who weren’t questioning my every word. And I never said to go away, I asked to not reply to my posts if you weren’t there to help. Someone who kept telling it’s a hoax is not someone I wanted to speak to.
karen – do you have proof of this or are we all just supposed to believe that too?
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Look, I really no intentions on conversing with you again if ya can call it that…and I will be the FIRST one to apologize if it’s all real.
I for one can’t help but can support..and I tried doing that, I signed the petition before I really knew anything…I’m like that…then I began to have my doubts like everyone else and was asking questions.
NO this is not JUST HALEIGHS AND CAYLEES BLOG…I recall talking about ALOT of other cases in here!!!
I for one, am saturated with the above two cases…and that’s about my capability having 5 children and a part time job as well…
This situation was thrusted upon us without warning…it’s alot to take in and there are many questions…you for one have never been on here, we don’t know you, have never talked to you before and jumped right in and we didn’t know what hit us…alot of overwhelmed with it!
In the end, yes I’m skeptical…and until I read something concrete that will most likely be brought to attention of BNN from one or both of two of our GREATEST BLOGGER fact finders…god bless papa…and SPACE…I will say to you …GOOD LUCK IN YOUR QUEST!
and you karen…assumed things of me as well! YOu can’t have your cake and eat it too! You presumed to tell me how I felt about this child!
Did you read Jan’s post about her speaking to Connie? Connie is sending her the documentation she needs to pursue this.
And what is wrong with not keeping a conversation with someone if they are just going to tell me it’s a hoax, forget it?
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You directed that comment directly at me! I never said it WAS a hoax…YOU my friend go back and read what I said…
Now you don’t have time to sit and chat with me about he said she said…YOUR FAR TOO BUSY FOR THAT! i HAVE said my piece and you have said yours.
I really don’t like the way you twist what was said…
karencc – yes I did read that…like i said…if this is true…I will be the first to apologize…the only things i have seen in print are your posts! Now call me crazy, but I have learned over the years to believe half of what you SEE and NONE of what you hear! so until I see this progressing WELL BEYOND one bloggers plight, then it is what it is!!!!!!!
Some people have the time, the energy and the resources to help and god bless them!
What? I don’t understand what the heck you are talking about? You are too angry to even “hear” what I am saying.
Karen, I’m not going to debate it further but no one said it was for a fact a hoax, it is still unknown at this time if its real or not. No one tried to convince you it was a hoax, you were saying it was real for a fact & to believe you (blindly).
One way or the other it is sad, hoax or real.
I asked to not reply to my posts if you weren’t there to help.
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So those of us who needed more information before you could add another supporter to you EVER SO LARGE FOLLOWING…aren’t worth the efforts on your part to gain their trust by answering a few questions? come on…
karen…see the downfall of the internet…I am sitting here…listening to love songs of the 70’s , candle light, babies tucked in bed…ANGRY…NO…far from it…I am NOT angry Karen…don’t assume please..I am not angry at all!
I am only trying to get you to see how I feel about this situation…you need to take a step back for just a minute and put the shoe on the other foot! There is more ways to feel about situations then just your own..
believe me, if I were mad…YOU WOULD KNOW IT!
I am a little confused about one point and that is the list of people Connie has attempted to contact so far, big, recognizable names to no avail. What is the exact result she wants to accomplish by sending this out to strangers? If not money, then what? And if someone offered to send money, would she or any childhelp organization not accept it? Therefore, do they make people feel bad if they don’t volunteer financial help, without asking for it? I am looking forward to validated documentation from Jan and Simon.
C-A, no, it was what 11:00pm? I had gone all day long answering questions and then having the answers I posted thrown back in my face. I was tired, frustrated and didn’t want to have to do the circle again. All I had to go on was what Connie was telling me, then all of a sudden I was Connie. Do you not remember that? I mean, how could I have so much information. If you can’t see how someone would get frustrated and angry about that, then I don’t know what else to say.
Val, ask Jan for Connie’s number, she will be happy to speak with you and answer your questions. That’s the only way I see to answer your post.
KAREN…dont’ ask me to remember post for post…I am NOT involved in this situation to that extent.
YOU SAID: All I had to go on was what Connie was telling me, then all of a sudden I was Connie
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There is your answer as to why we all haven’t jumped in to support right there in your own words…
ALL I HAD TO GO ON WAS WHAT CONNIE WAS TELLING ME!
Anyone can “talk on the phone” I can call you right now and say that I am BETH or Jan or anyone else..that is NOT proof…
C-A, I can’t speak to you. You are just so angry, you are not listening to me. Why are you angry? I came here looking for help. Why is that so freaking wrong? Forget it, you don’t have to answer that. As I said yesterday, I didn’t mean to cause any trouble with anyone or anything. You all seem that I have. I can’t even defend myself.
Jan, I thank you and I will await your findings.
Karen…yes i can see how you would become frustrated…as surely YOU can see how we might be skeptical…YOU tube is NOT the news…we blog on the NEWS…this was not in the news…
Surely to god it must have crossed your mind that you, coming in here, a total stranger and blasting the blog such intense and vicious accusations without proof would bring along with it some skeptic and guarded posts?
Karen…calm down…I am NOT angry. Didn’t I already set the stage for you and tell you that your wrong! Stop telling me how I am feeling…you can ask anyone on this blog if this is C~A angry ok…drop it!
I am listening to every word you say, you just don’t like what I am saying. I make sense and that you obviously don’t have the ability to see past your own thoughts!
I am getting off now! You can’t wrap your mind around my most polite offering of my feelings May 2nd, 2009 at 7:32 pm and the rest of posts that haven’t said anything but trying to get you to see the flip side of the coin, then it is me who wasting my time here and will stop trying to get you to see that!
It’s you that is getting angry! And I am not going to ruin my Saturday night trying to get you to open your mind up and see others points of view and feelings! I tried! Your only response is to accuse me of being mad! I am not getting through to you!
I just don’t see any post that shows me ‘ANGRY…you say I can’t speak to you? Why??? oh never mind…if you can’t see what i am trying to say, which is clear as day…and all you can come up with is that crap…then you are a waste of time!
bye
C-A, Someone asked me to look at your last two posts. I didn’t even see your post at 7:44, sorry. I am not angry, not at all. I just don’t want to argue. And you being angry wasn’t my only response. And thanks for saying I’m a waste of time, I’m sure if my daughter was reading over my shoulder, that would make her real happy. It’s not that I don’t like what you are saying, but when someone is typing in all caps, doesn’t usually mean they are yelling here in cyberspace? I do see how you all would be skepitcal, but I asked you to get her number and speak with her. Yesterday, and I don’t remember what post it was, but it was something that made me acutally think it was a hoax. That’s when I called the DA and the FBI. After I did that, Connie called me directly. After I spoke with her for over an hour, it convinced me she was on the up and up. I wasn’t even angry that everyone thought it was a hoax, I just didn’t want to try to convince everyone what I believed. I don’t know what else to say. I’ve said this all before.
C~A I hate to tell you this but Simon and I have been on the phone with several people today concerning this case and we have received documents to back it up but being the weekend we can’t verify it but it is definitely something to back it up.
I am NOT asking you to believe me but I am ASKING you to back off. If you don’t like us talking about this in here then fine. ignore it but Blogger News IS interested in this case and whether it be true or not (which we are pretty well convinced it is now) we will get some answers here. If you don’t like how I asked to back off Karen then I am sorry but I still stick to my decision.
I am extremely happy to hear that Jan has conversed with the mother.
I am concerned about the statements that Leonard Padilla is involved in this…I would think he would have got it into the media by now, even if a quick mention on NG instead of answering a question…he is not one to stick to the script…
Spacely, Leonard talked to Connie but he told her he would get back to her but he did give her a name of an attorney that might be able to help. She can’t call him until after the weekend though
Jan,
Thanks for the response…that sets my mind about Padilla…I am kind of leery of him anyway..
I think an atty is really the best help she can get right now based on the reaction of the FBI…
I think that everyone should remain extremely skeptical about this situation.
First off, we have not been given the full story here. We don’t know anything about the fathers position in this. And if the story is true, that means that the mother originally lost the case in court.(I am assuming for a good reason)
Why would a mob of angry people help this woman’s cause, when the proper authorities were already contacted in this case and are probably looking into it. If there was sufficient evidence presented to the police and the CDC they would have taken the child into protection. The year old video about the baby was not good evidence and I am not surprised that the authorities didn’t feel the same about it.
And the problem with gag orders does not make any logical sense. If she has a gag order preventing her from releasing information about this case, Why in the Hell is she able to tell everyone in the world about it?
Lastly I do not support mob mentality to circumvent the laws we have in place in this country to protect people and neither should any of you. What if it turns out that the father was innocent all along and by all of your actions you make his life a living hell and trash his name for the rest of his life. Let the police do their job. Think about that.
Jan – That is NOT good news Jan, I wish it were a hoax…However, I really don’t think I have said anything that warrants a BACK OFF! As a matter of fact, any post that I have made to karen tonight were VERY polite and heartfelt!
In respect to your most recent post, coming from you Jan, I have more faith in the situation! That’s all some of us were asking for in the first place! Some solid proof. You have the resources to do so, and I trust you!
I don’t believe I said I don’t like it being discussed either? Where is that coming from?
I too am interested in the case or I wouldn’t be bloggin about it OR askin questions! It simply came out of left field and NOT from the news!
I simply said it was alot to take in without even knowing who Karen was in the first place! I have NOT been argumentative or rude or angry. What exactly is my error in questioning Karen? I thought this what a blog was all about?
Just standing by my own reservations! I thought it was safe to do that here??
Dave,
I don’t think anyone on hear is advocating breaking any laws, or if they are, they should desist, but I did not see any of that…
I do, however, feel that in light of the extremely disturbing allegations and the emotional response caused by the posting of the video on the internet and the online debate it has created on multiple sites involving hundreds of people and monetary donations does create adequate cause for a little oversight, which should be in place anyway, of the judicial and law enforcement aspect of this case.
If our system is working, the proper reports will make their way to Jan and Simon and the free press will again prove why it was included in our Bill of Rights.
Hi Dave!!
Welcome to BNN!
C~A email forgot the l again LOL This other woman with a similar name is gonna be like wtf.. soon lol
Dave_UH – Welcome! There’s been a lot written here about this case over the last few days. Much more than you see above. Some people are skeptic and some believe it. However, what some of our bloggers did was to bring the situation to the attention of the proper authorities – of various kinds and at various levels – just in case this person has not received a fair shake from the judge or others in the area she lives in.
Many of us felt this effort was worthwhile because there is a chance that a child is being horribly abused and the case handled improperly. That’s a chance that no one should take -for the sake of the child.
So now it is in the hands of authorities and “The truth will out!” as Shakespeare said.
I feel certain I can say on behalf of everyone I know on this blog that we do not believe in a mob mentality here, we don’t want to be scammed, and more than anything we don’t want a little girl to be abused. I think we’ve done everything possible to make sure the right thing is done in the right way.
I pray this is a hoax. If not this child needs to be removed from both of these parents. If a child has been abused for more than a year there is no excuse for this mother or her family allowing it. There is no way I would return this child to an abusive parent if I were aware of it.
I personally would not allow someone to treat an animal this way and would face any consequence to stop this from happening to my child.
She had plenty of opportunity the night she filmed this video to have left that county and found a safe house. She later might have had to face contempt charges but if her child was safe it would be more than worth it.
I don’t mean to be disrespectful but feel I have a right to my opinion.
I do appalaude all for doing their best to get to the truth in this matter. I think you are wonderful for using all the resourses you have available.
Bottom line is..If this were happening to my child there would be no way I would have returned my child to allow for more abuse.
I think things were said that really hurt peoples feelings and mine included so I think maybe if any of us needs to we can take a break from talking about it and go to another article and calm down a little…not saying everyone is raging mad in here lol… I had to go and cool off earlier but feel better now.
Dave – HI
You have some good points! Welcome to BNN 
C~A you runnin with scissors again or you gonna go check yo mail? LOL
Oh, sorry again, folks. The page didn’t refresh so I didn’t see your responses to Dave or I would not have added another.
*bats hand in hair* forgettaa bout it MTC lol I have done the same thing
BUTTERS…LMAO – i GOT IT…DORK YOURSELF!
LMAO that other woman who has your name is gonna be super confused.. I wonder if she will email me back? HAHA
BUTTERS…SEND HER ANOTHER…
LOL.. I have emailed the woman 5 times hahaha
Dork yourself!
After reading these posts, and the link
cafemom.com/group/103267/forums/read/8743935/_165
I have to ask if you have heard of Munchausen by Internet…Google the term.
This woman’s story and actions, and involvement of numerous agencies and groups does seem to fit the profile – completely.
Personally, I have a daughter. I suspected sexual abuse back when she was 2 years old. Thank you God, it turned out to be false.
But there is no way I would not have taken this to the State Attorney General if it were my daughter. There is a reason this woman has not, and it is not because she is afraid of a contempt of court charge(really?? this is her lame excuse??).
As mothers, and a father (thanks LLpapa for all your efforts on behalf of this child if any of these wild allegations are true you will have alerted the appropriate people)- who here would be more afraid of a contempt of court charge than worried about the welfare of your baby?
I just do not believe that Child Protective Services, the District Attorney, the judges, the police department and others are ALL IN ON IT!
Sorry, while I can believe this woman can sound convincing, and she may sound sincere, I do not believe her story.
Google Munchausen by Internet, or even Munchausen by Proxie.
Mermaid hey YOU!!
Somebody were on the BNN Radio blog go to main page haleigh cummings caylee anthony bnn radio reminder.
butters…back at ya!
SOMEBODY- GO TO MAIN PAGE HALEIGH CUMMINGS AND CAYLEE ANTHONY BNN RADIO REMINDER
THE YACHT IS IN DOCK AND YOUR SEAT IS RESERVED DARLING!
What I got from Munchausen By Internet :
“Munchausen by Internet is a type of factitious disorder which utilizes the Internet’s easy access to a broad audience. It is not recognized by the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders). The term was coined by Marc D Feldman, M.D.[1], in 2000. It specifically relates to Munchausen Syndrome—where a sufferer fakes or induces illness to gain attention and sympathy—and Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy (MSbP), where the sufferer creates fake illnesses in others, or physically harms others. Sufferers of MSbP are often parents who inflict fake illnesses on their child, or children.
Munchausen by Internet provides a twist on MSbP in that the sufferer not only invents the illness but sometimes also invents the people involved.[2] Munchausen By Internet has also been described as virtual factitious disorder[3] and cyberMunch.”
I though Muchausens were those little guys in the Wizard of Oz…
Ok…now I know for sure ‘cyberMunch’ does not mean this syndrome thing…it may be a sin…but not a syndrome…
Spacely its wikipedia it has some facts and I think crap people throw in LOL. But its a possibility and glad I read up on it a bit.
I love Wikipedia…but some people have told me it’s not worth the paper it’s printed on…(little internet joke…no paper…)…
cybermunch
is that the new fad?
This situation, no matter which side you believe is truly awful. My prayers go out to this child, who is obviously caught in a terrible situation.
Her parent’s custody battle is horrible. These allegations are the stuff of nightmares. There is no doubt a critical need for this case to be investigated further. I have total faith in Jan and Simon, they will follow through and alert the right people.
I am not clear on how old this child is, but no child deserves one second of abuse. They are our greatest gift and our most important responsibility.
Hopefully all the attention the caring bloggers here and at other sites where I will post this story will be able to bring this child’s case to those who can do the investigation this deserves.
There is not enough information that is verifiable about this case. It needs to absolutely be investigated- regardless of who is telling the truth.
Sadly, child abuse and sexual molestation of children occurs all too frequently. So does the manipulation of children during custody battles.
I hope and pray this turns out to be the latter, and not the destruction of yet another child at the hands of a pedophile.
Where did the info that Connie talked with Padilla and he gave her the name of lawyer come from? I would think a good lawyer is the logical way to go here.
MERMAID – AWESOME POST! I TOTALLY AGREE 100%
As far as Munchausen’s by Internet, Marc D Feldman, M.D is a well known and respected source.
You can read his articles. He has done his research.
My point was, that the internet is an unusual venue to get help with this case. Even if you believe that the entire of Placer County is in cahoots with the father, there are state level resources available.
There is no way in hell I would let my fear of a contempt of court charge (violating the gag order) prevent my telling of this story to the Attorney General, the state bar association, the judicial review board and my child’s doctor.
I know what happens when you suspect abuse- I went through it with my own child. There are physical exams that are performed by doctors, they are not optional- and they are not something you can suppress. Believe me the exam my daughter went through, and the evaluation by a psychologist were very thorough. I am glad she does not remember, and that the findings were negative. These exams did not cost me anything, they were done by the state/county. This child needs to be examined, and her mother does not have to pay a cent.
I am not clear on if this has been done, or what the findings were.
thanks C~A !
I agree custody battles suck. You worry about the child in the other parent’s care in the best of divorces. Even people who seemed honest seem to lie to get their way. Throw in instability and anger and you’ve got a disaster.
Mermaid….you have hit the nail dead on the head as far as why I can’t totally accept her story. The gag order has apparently only been in effect for 1 or 2 weeks !! The story is that the child has been being molested for 2 years !! What kind of mother hasn’t been SCREAMING HER HEAD OFF ???
I have considerable reservations about doing anything more, than I’ve already done, until some one explains this to me.
I would seriously disappear with a child to protect her, not return to the area where the father lived.
L&L’s papa, I think you have done so much already. You have said so much so well, and I totally agree with you.
Thank you for taking the time to write those letters! What you have taken the time to do on behalf of a child, and not the parents, makes me feel very good about the hearts of others today.
You are a very good man, and very well spoken
I seldom post here, but read often!
Mermaid, that is funny because abusers always try to convince people that their victims are crazy, mentally ill and mentally unstable like they all went to the same ABUSER ACADEMY!!!
MERMAID – 100% AGREE ONCE AGAIN TO PAPA! pLEASE…stay and blog with us! Your posts are also very well written and your thoughts are bang on with mine and others I’m sure!
You are right KarenCCC. I am the also a victim of violence and abuse. Do not assume to know me, or my intentions.
As I stated, I have been in this situation. I am assuming(perhaps incorrectly) that you have not. I am not attacking you, your opinion, nor your obvious passion for this child.
Abuse of a child in any way is criminal. This case needs to be investigated, and prosecuted as either child abuse and endangerment, or as fraud. It can not be ignored.
allow me to clarify..that post came out wrong..your welcome even if you don’t have same opinion…we all have different opinions on alot of stuff…we don’t always agree but we are all here for the same reason and that is what is important!
Ok, why is it everything I say people take it the wrong way? You can’t hear my voice, I am not assuming anything. It was an opinion. You all hate me for not freaking reason. Everyone was new here at one point, I don’t understand why you all have chosen to pick on me. You sit here and say “all opinions matter” blah, blah, blah! Whatever, I get it. I won’t post.
So true C~A. The whole point of blogs is to discuss the articles, and to get varied points of view. There are many wonderful and caring posters here. It is why I come by to read.
The articles are interesting, and the opinions varied on many subjects. (wink- we all hate Casey – but that is not unique to BNN LOL).
This subject seems to have touched a nerve in many, although we all agree that the child always needs to come first.
This is why I have bothered to post. This child is important, they all are. If blogging about it and posting comments gets people involved in pushing for the investigations this case needs, we have won one battle! The war to protect our children goes on daily. That is what is most important to remember.
Mermaid ~ YOU ROCK!
KarenCCC, no one hates you, and your opinion is welcome. In your post to me:
KarenCCC said,
in May 2nd, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Mermaid, that is funny because abusers always try to convince people that their victims are crazy, mentally ill and mentally unstable like they all went to the same ABUSER ACADEMY!!!
I probably assumed that you were referring to my post about Munchausen’s by Internet. If you would like to clarify what you mean, please do. I meant it when I said I am not attacking your opinion, and that you are passionate about this case and this child.
The whole reason comments are allowed is to bring forth communication, and conversation. You just have to realize that not everyone will agree with you, and not take it personally. Nothing I have said is meant to cause you to feel unwelcome. We all have opinions, and points of view.
Umm, wow, jumping to Dave is the predator because he states there are two sides to a story is a pretty huge leap!
I really do not see any special info in his post that would lead me to believe he is directly involved in the case.
Did I miss something on another page or here???
I can completely understand your anger at the ‘system’, because I have been a victim of it myself. What I can’t understand is the attack on posters here for opposing opinions.
Time to walk away from this blog…
Hey Mermaid, how is the weather in Layfette? Its getting warm here.
WTF are you talking about??? Lafayette???
Do you think you know me???
Dave has been off and on before this story even came on this.. at least I think I have seen him in here before.. but still….wow…paranoid much?
My perception of the information provided so far is that there are many red flags that need to be explained before action is taken. I think debate is a healthy way to get all aspects on the table and of course it’s going to get a little heated with different points of view. I see a lot of rational thinking in this discussion that is getting an emotional response and I am so glad Jan and Simon are willing to put in their time and research to sort it out. In a custody battle this will be no small feat. Kudos to them and others who are verifying info.
BUTTERS – DORKY PORKY POO
I apologize for posting any comments on this blog. I did not come here for arguments, only discussion.
I really do not like someone trying to determine where I live. I am the victim of violent crime, and that includes a stalker who wants me dead. I have enough real life drama. I have lived with not being allowed to have an opinion, or being able to voice one without being harassed for it.
Thank you for reminding me why it is not safe to post here AnneA.
How does AnnaA know where Mermaid is from?
Mermaid are you still here? I am over on the Radio Reminder thread I would like to know are you from Layfette? And if so how does AnnaA know that are you two friends how does she know your location if not?
Hello everyone.
I’m just getting caught up on the postings since Friday night. Lots seems to have happened. Thank goodness Jan and Simon are getting some much needed answers.
Ms Pickels – I know your question was directed to Mermaid regarding how AnneA could know where she lives but I thought I’d offer my take on it.
It looked to me when I read AnneA’s post that she suspects Mermaid is someone else and from the tone of it (and I could very well be way off base here) it sounds like she thinks Mermaid is someone connected to this case somehow that possibly lives in Lafayette. I suspect that through the conversations that AnneA has had with Connie that she has obtained a lot more information than she has shared on here, as have Jan and Simon per their posts that they can’t post all they have been told just yet.
Again, I could be way off base here with that assumption.
and Ms. Picles – thank you kindly for your apology yesterday that you posted. Although I don’t feel an apology to me was necessary, thank you all the same.
Have a great Sunday everyone. Spend some quality time with the family and those you hold near and dear.
AnneA said to MERMAID – You actually are quite effective at convincing some people of your innocence. You won’t ever convince me.
You may want to think about your posts, you are easily recognized
( IF I MAY, I ASK HOW SHE KNOWS HOW TO RECOGNISE THIS MANS WRITING, TONE OR DELIVERY?).
pICKLES…aNNEa is assuming that mermaid is the abuser and Dave is the abuser…SAME PERSON CHANGING NAMES…she said it and was asking how the weather was in Lafette as I am guessing she knows that THE suspected chimo/bio lives there! JMO
Mermaid and Dave are innocent! It’s obvious in their writing style! To me anyway! I’m sure Jan and Simon have checked out the ip’s and if it was a legit accusation and they were both in the same…dave and mermaid..being the accused….we would know about it by now!
I haven’t detected anything remotely odd or biased about these posters that would indicate they had an agenda or other purpose for being here. As long as they are making intelligent contributions, I frankly don’t care who they are.
Just to clear things up, I am female. I do not know the players in this case, I merely had an opinion. I am freaked out by someone knowing where my ISP registers, because I am the victim of violent crime and I am being stalked by someone who wants me dead. As in trying to KILL ME…and I am in hiding. This is not a game or a difference of opinion on a blog. This is my life.
I am so sorry about your terrifying circumstances, Mermaid and admire your wisdom and courage to “disappear”. I hope that creepy comment was a coincidence, and that Jan can add some reassurance for you.
I am not the predator, I don’t even live on the same continent and I am sure that other person isn’t the predator either, as to whoever is accusing me of this I have no idea why. I am however Looking forward to the new thread being updated with news from this upcoming week. And am glad that the authors have spent so much time looking into this matter. As I am sure from looking around the internet, there are a lot of people who are not certain or are in utter disbelief of the vailidity of this case.
But, hopefully the authors of this blog can finally shed some light on what is really going on and end the debate and speculation for everyone on the internet, along with getting this young girl the protection that she needs and deserves.
This post was written on Sunday at 12:30 a.m.
It has been a long and rough couple of days. Much has been said, feelings have been hurt.
At first I was at a loss for how this happened. But it really isn’t that big a mystery if you consider the subject matter we deal with daily.
I will be 59 in less than a month. Never in my life have I seen so many murdered, missing, and abused children. It seems the last few months, children have become an endangered species. The fact that these things are happening and we are all helpless to stop it, is really hard to accept. There is no preventions good enough when someone is determined to hurt a child. It never gets any easier.
Every other day or so, another child has fallen victim. For people who deeply care, it almost becomes more then we can handle. These stories keep coming out and each one is worse then the last. We get on here and try to make sense of it. But that can’t happen because it makes no sense. It never will, when you can’t visualize doing something yourself, you are incapable of seeing someone else do it. We no longer have to ask WHEN the next child will be in the news as missing, murdered or abused, lately a more appropriate question is WHERE will the next chid show up on the news.
We each will decide what caused the uproar here. I choose to believe it came from months of frustration and the feeling of hopelessness. If only there was one safe place to raise every endangered child. Where they could be nurtured and grow up with love. Where they would be safe from all who wished to harm them.
I have read each and every comment anyone posted here. I believe if you care enough to write them, I owe you the respect of reading them.
I have been interacting with this group for several weeks now. I have cried tears of laughter and tears of sorrow. No matter what the emotion one thing had remained constant, I have thoroughly enjoyed the time I spent with this group. I can’t think of any one person I didn’t like. It is true there is some I felt a closer connection to than others, I believed I was among friends.
A lot has been said about who did what to who. I don’t think I was rude to anyone last night UNTIL I posted the comment: Anne Ambrose Here. At that moment I lost it. I CHALLENGE anyone to show me any comment I made that was rude or unkind prior to the comment above. Anybody that can do that, can tell me to leave and NEVER come back, I will go. This is a bold statement I know, but I make it with confidence. The reason I am comfortable making that statement is because up to the point I lashed out, I liked all of you,
Neither Karen nor I asked ANYONE to send money.
I understood your doubts. I agreed with you on many points. I know I stated more than once, something has to be done. One of these parents needs to be prosecuted. The father if he is guilty or the mother if she is crying wolf.
In closing I need to address something I am NOT at all proud of. Anger got the best of me. My feelings were hurt of course, but that is not what made me angry. All of this in fighting has taken the focus off the chilren. Nothing is worth that to me. A child can never have to many people looking out for them. I should have never never said some of the things I said, I was rude and nasty and I’m sorry for causing anyone of you pain. No matter what is going on, there is never a good reason to hurt people. There are enough really evil people more then willing to do that.
So much time and energy has been spent on this whole thing. I have not been coming on much because there are enough people adding fuel to this fire and I refuse to be part of that. The focus needs to be back on the children.
To: Dave, If I wrongly accused you I am sorry. I have such a complete and total disgust for anyone who sexaully abuses a child, I often speak first and think later. To be candid with you, I had info from someone who knows someone 4 times over, and twice removed, that you quite likely were the predator himself. It was wrong of me to accuse you. I assumed and we all know what assuming does. I won’t even ask to be forgiven, I am old enough to know better. I am not known for giving anyone I think MAY be a predator the benefit of much doubt. Please just know that I apologize for any wrong assumptions I came to.
Mermaid: I have no idea why you would think I would be looking up ANYBODY’s IP address. I promise you first of all, I do not have those capabilities. I was talking to someone who thought they knew you, that is it. No harm intended. If you knew me better, you would know I would NEVER EVER do or say anything to put you in harms way. My primary focus is abused children and it is followed VERY closely by battered women. Being victimized by anyone at any age is unacceptable. I believe, perhaps because I need to, hell is going to be just a little hotter for those who hurt the innocence. I am sorry for the situation you have to live with. I wish you much luck and complete success in staying under the radar. I will add you in my prayers. God be with you always.
The following is a prayer and if you prefer not to pray please don’t read these words. Once these words are in your mind, it is possible a prayer goes up to God. For those who pray we know God listens to our hearts.
A Prayer for Aallyah:
Our heavenly Father, please watch over this child in the coming days. Please Please protect her from ANY danger that may be around her. Touch those who may not act in her best interest, that they may have a change of heart. Father I know you have a plan and each of the children gone from us now, are safely in your arms. We are taught you never put more on us then we can stand, I hope that’s true but the fact of it is, the struggle is a bigger challenge every day. I ask you comfort the people who are forced to live in fear, and the parents and loved ones who suffer from the loss of the innocent who have been damaged or taken. God I ask these things in Jesus name, I accept, it is your will, not mine, that will be done. Amen
I guess I am talking to myself in here. But that is ok. At least, unless I am in a REALLY bad mood, there won’t be any fighting this way.
Goodnight
Thank you AnneA for your kind words and reassurances. Blessings to you all all those who are praying for this child’s safety
There are parts of the Aaliyah Bedwell story that trouble me and cause doubt on my part. I will outline them below.
FIRST……….
With a gag order having only been in place a relatively short period of time, I cannot understand a mother allowing the horrible abuse of her daughter to continue. This mother appears to be, more than a little bit, computer savvy. She also has a considerable network of support already in place prior to BNN ever becoming aware of this matter. A very impressive website was set up in April of this year, saveaaliyah.com. Shirts and caps have been marketed, saveaaliyah.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/Index/index/page/2. Petitions have been started with hundreds of signatures.
Why did it take 2 ½ years and the intervention of BNN for this abuse to be reported to the DA in Placer County?
Why did it take 2 ½ years and the intervention of BNN for this abuse to be reported to the Department of Justice in Sacramento?
Why did it take 2 ½ years and the intervention of BNN to report this matter to the F.B.I.?
Why did it take 2 ½ years and the intervention of BNN to report this matter to the Auburn, CA newspaper?
Why did it take 2 ½ years and the intervention of BNN to report this matter to the Auburn Police Department?
WHY HASN”T SHE BEEN SCREAMING HER HEAD OFF ??? Am I wrong? Would that not be a mother’s natural reaction? Does it seem logical that the father and his family has enough influence to control the judges in Placer County, CA, the police, the DA, the State Department of Justice, The F.B.I., and the newspapers?
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES COULDN’T PULL THAT OFF !!
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SECOND………
I am troubled by an apparent inconsistency in her statement as to her ex having her MySpace account deleted. ………….
Spacely said,
in April 30th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Here is the other part of the story I don’t like: “I had a blog on myspace with numerous comments from witnesses and people in this town that know both him and I. He managed to have my entire account deleted after it had been passed around through 4000 people in a one week period.”
What does that mean? He obtained a legal order? I have never heard of any MySpace page being legally shut down, but it could be…but again, it would have taken a really long time…
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She said the father had her MySpace account deleted. Go to, myspace.com/cnbedwell. Does this appear deleted? It contains an unbroken string of comments dating back to 2005.
Frankly, what is equally disturbing, as the inconsistency of her statement in reference to MySpace, is the impression of lifestyle I get when viewing the site. I have to ask, am I the only one who had a flashback to another MySpace account we have all seen bits and pieces of recently?
Am I the only one drawing a startling comparison of the apparent lifestyle of two single mothers and the tragic consequences to their children?
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There is a natural tendency to be leery of a money scam. The website makes it exceedingly easy to send money to the mother. Go to this link and see just how easy they have made it……………………………………
saveaaliyah.com/services
Tee shirts, caps, mouse pads, and buttons are all for sale for a fairly hefty price. Go to this link to make your choices…………………………..
saveaaliyah.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/Index/index/page/2
In all honesty, I’m not overly concerned with the money part of this. I still control whether I push a button to donate or push a button to buy a cap, but in this age of internet scams it is only natural for this to cause skepticism.
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I have lived a long and successful life choosing my own paths and trusting my own instincts. My instincts tell me to have doubt and be leery of this story.
HOWEVER, my heart reminds me that one + two + three does not always equal six. It is possible that it equals a beautiful little girl being abused by a monster.
I couldn’t live with that possibility without trying to help.
That myspace is her sisters. I’m sure Jan and Simon are putting the answers to your questions together and thoroughly, but I would like to just say that the mother has been fighting a system that WILL NOT listen to her. She HAS been screaming at the top of her lungs. I know the documents that the mother has sent Jan will answer most, if not all, of your questions. I hope Jan puts the whole thing to light. I know she has soooo much to do, and not just this. But I assure you, that myspace is her sisters.
Exactly Papa, those red flags blip my radar also. It seems like all the right things have already been done over a two year time frame, but this story is being emotionally thrust as a new crisis. I totally agree that it needs to be investigated and verified that that little girl is OK. Somebody needs to be held accountable. We are already suspect of the kindfinders motive for collecting donations, so I give this the same skepticism.
Val you dont like me no more you dont even come to the active blog….We have a yacht now and we are scurvie pirates Deviant Rogues. Right…LOL….anyhoo its just us our regular selves on a yacht we said FUGG dah pirate suits and went to a derby in Kentuchy….YOU need to drop in its the radio wrap up I miss you alot and everytime I see you I want to say hi!
Aw, Pickles I am still a fan! I am keeping track of the other blogs as well and happen to love the Derby! This blog just caught my attention because I am waiting for the fact verification, darn it! I couldn’t get the radio show this time, but will try the replay. How cool that you got Cobra!
JAN BARRET:—May2nd/@ 4:34 & @ 8:13pm
I think that was Very Rude the way you expressed yourself to C~A & Others who are regulars here,you owe them an apology..some have left the blog because of your (so call) strictness & Pickles rudeness , we are Adults here,,,
two People came here to upset the cart ,,with a bizarre story,People neary went in a pantic , I knew it was a hoax ,from the begining I wont get sucked in,,,, yes maybe the baby is being molested but wouldn’t Police & Child Protection services , know this by now ??
which to my knowledge, its been taken care of in the Courts & what ever If you care to believe their story go right ahead.
& what is it you planned to do for these two people that the Police hasn’t done??
you ridiculed your regulars here, because of two scammers , I really thought you were a very level headed person , I see you differently now,
NEXT,,, Children should NOT be reading an ADULT Blogg who ever is responsible well too bad ,,
the Bloggers here use to have fun but thats all been taken away because of your new rules …I know teens & children who would laugh at the word FUGG,,believe me they know the swear words ,,
AND,, tell me how are YOU going to Protect AALIYAH?
are you another john Walsh or Marc Klass
I’m sure the authorities are quite aware of the situation my advice to you JAN,, stay out of it…and you can e-mail all the bloggers I dont care who you E-mail ,,, I’m out of here & DONT E-Mail Me , you & your side kicks ,,
A person came in one night , had a bit of advice said instead of saying” hungry people” she said HURRY People was that was the JOKE of the year ?? WHY you people make fun?
why do you think you are so superior..
*** correction People )(nearly) went in a Panic”**** GONE…… have a good LIFE
I can vouch that her Myspace was shut down. I saw it many times, and have read the comments and stories left by others. The only money that has been asked for has been to pay for a lawyer. The retainer alone for a decent lawyer is steep, much less continuing to fund such a serious and complex matter. I can also vouch that the mother has been seeking help for a long time. She has filled out all the paperwork some of you mentioned, she has gone to every court date and was in fact, the instigator or many of them. She has stood up and spoken like a reasonable individual, but she goes up against an experienced and trained lawyer who is deeply entrenched in the placer county system. She has called the DA, the Auburn PD and I also know that CPS has has multiple reports filed with them about this. The mother had the child in long-term counseling, but for some reason the judge would not admit that counselors findings. The mother herslef has been in counciling, learning to cope with domestic and sexual abuse in an appropriate way, and how to cope emotionally and support her young daughter. No claims from me that anyone is perfect, but this is not a scam.
I actually the Placer County Children’s Protective Services: (916) 787-8860.
I do not know if the claim of child abuse is true or untrue but I went to report this and they are being flooded with calls and though no information can be released about this case, the claim that IT IS NOT being looked into is untrue. Placer County takes every case of child abuse seriously. The sites were shut down I would imagine the Youtube vid no longer works is its child exploitation. If my child were being sexually abused and speaking about it, I would not post it on the internet for people to play judge and jury. Making child abuse known is one thing, using a child is another and this is diplorable. My feeling is this is some kind of vandetta. Either way, Parent or child will suffer.
Chipoltespice post 5-5-09 At 7:38
There are some very good people who work for Child Protective Services in every state. But there are also some who are there for the purpose of getting a paycheck and really don’t do the job for which they are given the paycheck. The latter of the 2 described fail children on every level. History and dead children prove this happens. How many children have lived in horrific abuse their whole short lives and at the end of all the suffering, they die, murdered by the ones who are suppose to love and protect them.
This may or not be the case with this child. As it stands at this moment, if any benefit of the doubt is given, in my mind, that has to be given on the side of the child. The adults in this case will weather any storm or fall out from these allegations, the child may not.
I understand the FBI is now involved in this case and I feel sure the truth is on its way.
Alledgely they have acted on the dead threats made by the father toward the mother, her family members and sadly even the child. Those threats have given the FBI the authority to get involved. The sexual abuse was not a crime that allows the FBI’s intervention. Death threats is another matter, it puts the child in clear and present danger.
Sorry post above I meant to say the alledged death threats by the father. NOT the FBI is allegedly acting on death threats. SORRY.
Sarf, thank you so much for your input. I am so glad that people who know Connie are braving the waters to come out and express what they know! Thank you all!
Chipotlespice,
Since I assume you have some ideas, please tell me this. When you are a single mother, without vast financial resurces, and you have called the police, and CPS, and the FBI; enlisted the help of psycologists, and mediators, called the child abuse hotlines, told friends and family, written to Dr. Phil, Opera, etc, gone to court time and time again representing yourself, and nothing changes the fact that your little girl is being abused what do you do. I am a college educated individual and I can come up with one answer. Put on the pressure, let people know, ask for help, involve the media. What is left for her to do? The internet is one place to do this. That does not in and of itself indicate it is a scam. In this country the mother did not get to choose the judge, and he is doing nothing, so why not let the public be the judge and jury? That is how our court system is set up anyway. I am sure if your child was avoiding sleep then waking screaming, coming home with bruises on her back and alking about a “worm” throwing up in her mouth and making her feel sick, and daddy cleans it off with a napkin at age two, you might consider EVERY option a valid one and ask what child exploitation really is.
Sarf, BRAVO!!!!
This entire story blew right past me I’ve been so busy at work. I have sat all morning reading the articles and even every post.
IMO..
If Connie were trying to scam money out of the caring general public.. then why would she be asking for help to contact authorities..?? It’s the same thing as calling the police department and saying “hi I am running an internet scam and I wanted to provide you with my information so you can nail my ass to a wall”.. Seriously people.. Think about that.
And also.. Everyone seems to thinking scam because she claims she has attempted informing every official she can think of.. what would you like her to do?? Jump on a plane and never been seen again? Or kill the person she feels wronged her child and go to prison for the rest of her life? Then what happens to the child.
Many people have killed because they feel they have no other option.. but this women took the high road and took a different path.
Many people go underground with the child as well. Why wasn’t this an option for her? Alaska is a very big place.
I understand going underground would keep your child safe for the present time.. but you can’t get disappear forever. What about her family locally? It would be the same concept as going into the witness protection program.. I couldn’t live forever without my family and friends. And once one person knows where to find you, many many more will be right behind them. What a shame, it would be a terrible choice to have to make.
this is a scam. common sense.
She did go to Alaska for a while but the authorities assured her if she came back they would make sure her daughter would be protected but they lied to her. I hopefully will have more answers about this tonight or tomorrow morning
Thanks to everyone for their support and thoughts. I just pray the little Aaliyah will be safe no matter how this turns out.
OK let me correct that, I shouldn’t say they lied… they just failed her
I will check back in later
Thank you Jan and Simon on this one.. that video still gives me goose bumps and I can’t see why everyone that has watched it isn’t in disgust. I was alittle bothered after googling Aaliyah’s name that the only news is from blogger. Why hasn’t this story hit the local/national media? It’s a shame when the domino’s idiots posted a youtube video that the authorities jumped on them within a day… I am sure Aaliyah would like the same response.
I guess I would ditch everyone I know rather than see my child suffer. Maybe that’s me, but “Not without My Daughter” was one of my favorite movies. Yes, it would be just like the witness protection program.
Val I agree with you.. but running never solves anything. If you run then your the one that is wanted by the police for kidnapping. The police would then say that yes Connie was indeed a mental case and put her in prison giving the father permanent custody.
People getting mad at peoples comments never solve anything. We are spectators. None of us have any of the facts to determine anything, if we did the would be no blogging.
Save for the people who personally know Connie and her family, no one else knows them or can say yes or no or true or false to anything. Everyone is speculating on heresay and gossip. Reading one webpage, reading another and trying to make an educational guess. Pray that this child, for the people actually handling this case get the facts right. One person here does not have more information then the other, non sense in arguing.
Aaliyahs father should be, “dewormed” if he is guilty for this, for sure.
I do know Connie and her family. She and I discussed certain options long ago. Do you know the cost of going underground? How do you get work? You must have identification, social security numbers, birth certs. Do you know how to get these things? I don’t. I assume also that they would not come cheap. If she did become a vigilante the baby would go to the parents of the father, NOT her family members. If she took her and was EVER EVER caught, even ten years from now she would go to jail and the pedophile would take custody and then there would be no one left to oppose him. Think about ALL the ramifications and what it would take for TWO people to really vanish, it is romantic and wonderful like winning the lotto, but generally impractical, especially withoug skilled experienced help, and such people don’t advertise. The risk would be huge and it is against the law.
REMEMBER: Sexual abuse is about power and control. Studies show that sexual offenders who have been chemically castrated move on to more heinous crimes such as murder to fulfill their disfunction. It is not simply about physical gratification. This does not make these men stupid. They are skilled and evolved liars. You can not see them from a mile away. Church elders, doctors and lawyers etc. can also be pedophiles. The majority of children who suffer from sexual abuse are abused by a relative or close family friend. This does not happen because the parents left the children with people they knew they couldn’t trust, just the opposite. It does happen, and needing help to stop it does not make it a hoax. Connie has had no positive reinforcement for her honesty. She has nothing, has sold her car, her furniture, her household items to finance the visitation and try to save for a retainer for a good lawyer. She has lost more and more custody of her daughter, had devoted her life to fighting for her daughter. Her relationships have suffered, she fights off despair nightly wondering if her daughter is asleep or being forced to perform sex acts on her own father. Sleep does not come easily for Connie, let me tell you. So what is the gainn for Connie? She has not had much effect on the pedophile and has lost her daughter. This kind of thing is not something people do in their spare time.
I have been a very good friend of Connie’s for almost 14 years and have known the ped for about 11 years. I have witnessed this entire tragedy from the very beginning, when Connie began dating him over 10 years ago. He was verbally abusive virtually from the beginning of their relationship and began physically abusing her not too long after. I was around for Connie’s entire pregnancy – he didn’t let the fact that she was pregnant stop him from laying his hands on her and threating her life as well as the life of their unborn child. Needless to say, I am here to support one of my best friends through what has been years of abusive hell.
I can’t even begin to count the number of times that Aaliyah has described to us (her mother, aunt, Connie’s boyfriend, etc.) the details of how her father gave her “owies”. Let me tell you, one of the most heartbreaking things that you can witness is when a 2 year old is screaming and crying to not have to go with her father. When we would pick Aaliyah up from visitation with her father, she would start acting very clinging and on many occassions was completely hysterical. We spent a lot of time just sitting in the parking lot waiting for her to calm down so that we could put her in her car seat. All she would want was for Connie to hold her – she felt safe once she was back with Connie. On one occassion, she told us that her father had given her “owies” on her leg on the car ride to meet us. It took almost 45 minutes for her to calm down enough for us to put her in her car seat. She cried hysterically the entire ride home and Connie had to sit in the middle seat (in the backseat of the car) and lean half of her body onto Aaliyah’s car seat so that Aaliyah could burrow her head into Connie and hold onto her.
Shortly after the abuse began, I would be at Connie’s house and Aaliyah would be playing on the floor with her dolls. Out of the blue, she would shake her baby (with her hands on the baby’s shoulder or throat) and yell “Stop That”. She then would slap her baby across the face and continue to yell “Stop That, Stop Crying”. When we would take her outside to play or to the park she would ask Connie to play with her. Connie would say, “okay what do you want to play?” Aaliyah would answer, “I am the baby and you are the mommy and you have to save me”. She would then run a little ways away (sometimes onto the play structure) and would say “okay, mommy. Come and save me! Come save the baby Aaliyah”. Her games always involved being “safe”.
Needless to say, I tried to help Connie find other options as well. However, there is no way that any of us (who are her true friends and love Aaliyah as if she was our own child) would have been able to live with ourselves if the other “options” didn’t pan out and Connie ended up going to jail or losing any chance of custody forever. Even the possibility that the ped or his parents could end up as her sole custodial guardians was enough for me to feel that there is no way that we could take that chance.
Please know that these claims are VERY REAL and those of us who know the situation as well as all the players involved will not rest until Aaliyah is safe from ever being harmed by him again.
To all your doubters out there who have slammed this as being a hoax – how will you feel when it is proven that this is really happening? Please remember to think before you speak as this is VERY real and upsetting to those who are involved.
To Team Aaliyah and all the others who are helping us fight – I love you all. XOXO
S.V.
I also want to thank Simon and Jan for taking the time to listen to all of us and for getting the story out. You have proven yourselves to be truly amazing people and I can’t thank you enough. Jan, I will be sending you an e-mail to expand on what has already been discussed (it may take me a few days).
S.V.
To Papa:
In response to your post on May 4th, that myspace account belongs to Connie’s older sister (who I have known for almost 14 years as well). Connie’s account was in fact deleted by myspace. Myspace will delete your profile if they receive complaints regarding content on your profile.
To: Here to Support Connie,
I cried as I read the accounts of Aaliyah’s exchanges between her mother and father. Connie has to be one of the strongest women I have ever heard of anywhere. I know I couldn’t do what she has done.
Pleae please tell Connie there are people who support her and will continue to do so. This child has suffered enough, and its clear she has her mother’s strength.
As for all the comments made by some of the people who are regulars to this site. I have no explanation for their reaction to all of this. I have been coming to this site for several weeks and thought I was interacting with some very loving and caring individuals.
I was dumb founded by what happened. I was attacked and accused of everything under the sun. They said they were mad because Karen and I were trying to shove this down their thoats. I have read and re-read the blogs and can’t find even one example of any of the things that they claimed was justification for their wrath towards us.
I issued them a challenge to present me with ONE comment that supported their position, they have NOT been able to do that. After hours of being called scam artist and accusations to ridiculous to mention, I struck back. I should not have, it was childish and only reduced this to even a lower level.
Pleae tell Connie, I am still making calls and trying to help her in every way I can. I have meant to call her several times but I have not done it because I have not accomplished much in my efforts to help her. There really is a good ole boys network alive and thriving out there. Connie should bring a civil law suit against the people who have enabled the father to continue the abuse of this baby.
Good luck in all your doing, for what its worth, she does have support. Also please let her know, although its hard to see it now, some of the people who are regulars here, really are good and decent people. The most vocal opponents have written letters, sent faxes, and made phone calls, which is actually doing a world of good. With this much noise somebody will hear it. Best wishes to you all.
I have written to literally everyone I could think of (including the FBI and the Whitehouse – I kid you not!!)
HereToSupportConnie&Aaliyah and Sarf do you have any update on what happened in court yesterday?
I still can’t believe how little media attention this is getting.
What year was Aaliyah born? When did the abuse start? What time period was she in Alaska? Has she started preschool? Has she had the same pediatrician? How many custody hearings have there been? Has she had a court appointed attorney? Does CPS have a file on her?
Getting outside help to determine the truth is probably a good thing here. And it does no good to donate to the mother to her private account on her site. If it’s a scam, you’ll never see your money again. If its for real, then I want to see the money placed IN TRUST in an appropriate account where an accountant can manage how these monies are handled with respect to getting Aaliyah assistance.
Just be careful about anyone asking for money on the internet without having clear details & banking info on where the money is going.
Concerned (your post above): Does is not cause you to ‘pause’ about why the national media is refusing to get involved? Nancy Grace could have a field day with this, her ratings would go through the roof. I know little about this case but it makes me stop and think why they won’t involve themselves, the media has lawyers & researchers at their beck and call.
Could it be that something in Connie’s story is not adding up? She does not have custody at all and until I see court documents myself, I find it hard to believe it’s ONLY because she complained about the abuse. I’m almost certain there is far more to the reasons she has zero custody.
Then I see a website where ‘how to help’ is about donating to the mom. Causes me again to pause and think about the big picture.
No one, including the likes of Nancy Grace would turn a story down unless there is some deep unanswered questions about the truth of this entire thing.
These are questions I will ask myself until I see more evidence, proof, documentation and a trusty also set up to handle the money requested.
In response to the post above, please watch the show that Simon and Jan have schedlued for Saturday, May 9th at 3:00pm Central Time.
Court did not go as we had hoped yesterday. The new judge has inforced the Gag order against Connie without reviewing the court file prior to making her ruling. This is what we have been dealing with for 2 years.
Thank you to everyone who has been making calls and writing letters. It is greatly appreciated by Connie and her family.
Carol said:Could it be that something in Connie’s story is not adding up? She does not have custody at all and until I see court documents myself,
She does not have custody at all, meaning Aaliyah does not reside with mother(Connie)?
So this child has little contact, save for visitation and Aaliyah could possibly on a daily basis be sexually abused day in and day out and no media attention is being given to this? Something seems very wrong here.
I’m siding with the claim of the child, I can’t help that. BUT, a judge (see post above mine) who won’t even look at a child abuse case? Look at the file? WTF? there is something else going on here.
Gag Orders-Wikipedia – “Gag orders are often used against participants involved in a lawsuit or criminal trial. They are also a tool to prevent media from publishing unwanted information on a particular topic. A Criminal Court, for instance, will issue a gag order on the media if the judge believes that potential jurors in a future trial will be influenced by the media reporting or speculation on the early stages of a case. Another example might be to ensure police are not impeded in their investigations by media publicity about a case.”
The mother has uploaded the video to Youtube, has had interviews on the saveaaliyah site (ie the phone interview) is this violation of a gag order?
Why are the questions regarding a trust and documentation from anyone outside of Connies immediate family and friends having first hand knowledge of the alleged abuse being ignored?
Why is there no one from the pediatrician, to the counselor/psychologist who saw Aali, to the court ordered attorney-which Connie herself admits her child has in her blog, to any impartial parties who might have first hand knowledge regarding the alleged abuse coming forward?
Why is say no one from Raley’s – a public place where pick up and drop off’s occured for a period of time coming forward they witnessed any of this?
Is there anyone who can substantiate these claims outside of Connies circle of friends and family? The courts are likely to listen to impartial parties as opposed to those who have a vested interest……….
Praying for Aaliyah – I have similar questions but from the opposite point of view.
Why does the father, the father’s attorney, the father’s family and/or friends not post under their own names instead of aliases or assumed names as they have been accused of doing? Yes, accused, admittedly so that is not proof. However, those posters that are being accused of having been done by his attorney, sister, etc on one petition NEVER did return to defend themself or to ojbect to the accusation that they were not who they said they were. Those particular posts in question have been copied onto this site from the petition as well as on to other sites. No where does the person ever show up again after having laid their allegations and falsehood claims against the mother show up to prove they are legitimate and try to defend against the accusation that they are none other than the father’s attorney, relative or father himself.
On the other hand, Connie’s father, sister, boyfriend, etc have shown up on multiple sites using their own names.
If you go to the CPC website and listen to the phone interview they had with the mother – a lot of the questions you are asking were discussed in that phone interview as to how this has all happened and continues to happen.
From what I understand,prior to yesterday’s revised gag / restraining order, the mother could not be the one to initiate the contact but could respond to questions or interviews if she was contacted. That is how she was able to be interviewed. They called her.
Talina – actually that is not correct. I saw two people post here who were immediately accused of being the pedophile and a relative of him only because they had some doubt about the case. BOTH of them returned and very kindly stated they were not who they were accused of being. BOTH were far more polite and even understanding than I would have been in that situation.
Just because someone expresses a doubt does not mean he/she IS the chimo or a relative.
That attitude is what is turning off a lot of good people to YOUR own cause. People who could turn out to be the child’s strongest supporters. IMO it would be more constructive to hold off on such judgments, ignore the comment if you have to, and keep posting more facts as they become available. People who doubt now may become staunch advocates in future.
Thank you M2C! I totally agree with what you have said.
I actually contacted the family, and was accused of being a pedophile family MEMBER. I only did this because I (by nickname Mermaid) was singled out by Connie’s father in his post. The response I got was more accusations. All I asked was to be believed, as I had come to believe them(and the allegations of abuse of this child). The correspondence did not go well. Despite this I have done all I could to help.
I had already become involved by writing letters and sending emails to the authorities I felt would be most helpful. I posted this information, and I spread the word to other private forums I am a member of.
This family is suffering, and they need help. This beautiful child desperately needs help.
However they need to stop fighting everyone who has an opinion they do not like, and instead try to convince them of their case. Provide the contacts for people to send emails to. There are many people out here who want to help, it does not matter if they believe each and every allegation put forth. If they can’t do this they are wasting the resources they so desperately need. They need to take their frustration and channel it into results- not just venting anger.
The focus needs to be put on saving this child from abuse. This little girl needs everyone’s support and love. It does not matter why people want to help, only that they do.
m2c, I was not referring to what occurred on this site. I’m talking about what occured on the petition site as I stated above in my post.
I did not mean what has happened on this site where there were some accusations and defenses against those accusations.
I have never accused anyone who expressed doubts of having any relation one way or other to either side. I myself have posted certain questions about some of the reports being posted.
By capitalizing “YOUR” in your post above, I’m unsure why you are identifying this as my cause. I have neither advocated for or against either side of this. I’ve only posted questions I have or tried to answer another poster’s questions and I believe I’ve always qualified with something to the effect “according to what I’ve read or seen posted”. At least that is what I tried to do in each post.
I have no factual knowledge and what limited heresay knowledge I have is based only what I’ve seen posted on this web site as well as the many others that I’ve tried to research when this first came out on this web site last week. It has caught my attention and while I still do not know what I do believe is really going on, the more time goes by and the more of her family and friends that have shown up to post, the telephone interview that I did listen to on the COC web site, Jan and Simon having spoken to not just Connie now but it sounds like more than just her – more and more there seems to be some validity to this.
I think anyone should be able to post any questions they have whether it is questioning the mother’s claims, the family and friend’s claims, the anonymous claims (as my post above was simply addressing) without being ridiculed or chastised for doing so. To my recollection, I’ve never done so and hope that I never would in the future. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it’s the calm, intellectual sharing of opinions that generally tends to push a topic to further and deeper discussion or resolution, as the case may be.
Talina at 3PM.
Why does the father, the father’s attorney, the father’s family and/or friends not post under their own names instead of aliases or assumed names as they have been accused of doing? Yes, accused, admittedly so that is not proof. However, those posters that are being accused of having been done by his attorney, sister, etc on one petition NEVER did return to defend themself or to ojbect to the accusation that they were not who they said they were.
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Actually, if you read my comments, yes I did try to clear things up. I was assumed to be part of this family- I am not. The people involved refuse to believe me. Apparently anyone who does not immediately support them or believe them is an enemy or a pedophile supporter. They could not be further from the truth. I am a victim of violent crime. I have been through similar court problems in small town jurisdictions. I have had to go into hiding from a stalker because it is difficult to prove threats.
As far as the use of nicknames, you have to realize that no one should use their real names to post under- it is not generally done for a reason- safety and security. I can understand the family doing so in this case, because they need to get the facts into the emails and letters being written.
I will continue to send emails and letters on behalf of this child to anyone I think may even remotely be able to help. I will not let the family’s mistaken belief that I am part of the problem keep me from doing what I feel is morally the right thing to do. It does not matter if they continue to attack my nickname for the posts that I made under it. You can’t control what other people think or say- you can only control what you, yourself say and do. I choose to help in whatever way I can find.
Talina, I understand what you are saying, and my comments are not directed at you, but are in reference to my situation as it relates to this case.
I never posted on the petition site, and did not feel the need to defend myself there. I commented here, where the accusations were copied from the petition to this blog.
Mermaid,
I know you did not post on the petition site.
I was very surprised and confused when that accusation was thrown out against you and then again in a post that was copied over to this site from the petition site where her father mentioned “mermaid” along with other aliases he accused.
I then went over to the petiton site and read every single post which was up to number 777 at the time I read them. Not once did I see anyone post under the name “Mermaid”. I then went to another blog that was following this and read all those posts – totalling over 300 posts and again saw no one under the name Mermaid.
I surmised then that somewhere in the past the mother has been accused by the father’s side of having the disease that you mentioned in your post and because of that you were automatically assumed to be an alias posting on their behalf. I could be totally off base with that assumption – we all know where assuming leads us many times.
I also did see your posts after that and I commend you for handling it the way that you did.
Talina, I there is a little miscommunication and probably I should not have capitalized “YOUR.”
What I was responding to was your question: “Why does the father, the father’s attorney, the father’s family and/or friends not post under their own names instead of aliases or assumed names as they have been accused of doing?”
I have not read much on the petition site but have seen such things happen right here so that’s what I thought you were talking about in addition to the petition site.
Also, screen names indicate absolutely nothing. In fact some sick internet jokester could use the father’s name or another family member’s name. Not much of that kind of information is confidential. It would be easy to do – and a way to make him and his family members look even worse.
I’ve pretty much blogged only on BNN but I’ve seen other blogs with people posting who use the same name I originally had. In fact one or two posted here! I was new to blogging so I hadn’t expected that. And a couple of new people have come to BNN using names some of our bloggers already had. It got straightened out but it was confusing. Nothing bad – this is just an example of how screen names don’t mean nada.
The internet is an even worse place to assume anything – although assuming is not a very good thing to do most anywhere.
I can think of a couple reasons as to why these people are not using their real names. With this kind of case if I were defending the father I would be afraid that if I used my real name that the mothers family & friends might try to drag my name through the mud or make accusations about me being in on the abuse like they have done on these sites. I don’t see why you can’t see why people wouldn’t use their real names. I don’t think they are trying to hide or the father or attorney are trying to use fake names, I think these are people that are trying to defend & help the father just like other people are trying to help & defend the mother!
I can say that the judge enforced the gag order and told Connie that she is responsible for what her friends and family say and that the pedophile can take her to court and sue hor over it. She has been ordered to shut her mouth yet again. This is a temporary ruling, as the judge had not reviewed the case, as I heard it. Aaliyah’s psycologist is willing to go to court, but the court would not admit her testimony and instead decided to appoint a court appointed shrink to evaluate Aaliyah. This was an appointment that took place when Alliyah was only two years old and she would not speak to this stranger about these issues. We were all so dissapointed, but not so surprised. This is a baby who has been betrayed by her father and grandparents. She has trust issues, she is threatened not to talk about it. The other counselor developed a trust with an abused child over a period of time. The court was told the child wouldn’t talk about it by the court appointed shrink, or something similiar. PLEASE WATCH THE INTERVIEW WITH CONNIE ON SAVEAALIYAH.COM WHERE SHE TALKS ABOUT THE 11 CPS REPORTS ETC… THIS MIGHT ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TIMIMG AND SEQUENCE OF EVENTS SOME OF YOU HAVE. Yes, there are photos, and other videos, but the judge would not review them. This mother is a high school grad with no money, not a cinematographer with state of the art equipment etc. to doctor evidence.
Please remember, the family of the pedophile is well represented by a pricy attorney, and the burden of proof lies with the accuser. The pedophile is an adult and can handle his own problems. The abused victim is a child, a minor, and the only person who has fought to protect her interests is a single mother without the resources to hire a comparable attorney. Therefor I have little concern for the feelings of the pedophiles supporters, and more for the child who has no voice in this. REMEMBER the fight is for Aaliyah. It isn’t saveconnie.com. Connie is just a mouthpeice for a baby who doesn’t have the words to fight for herself.
Thank you for the information sarf. Does this mean the judge currently presiding over the case will allow the testimony of the therapist who had already developed a relationship with Aali? It’s difficult to read a judge would not want the best interests of the child and if a relationship was already developed not take ALL the evidence into consideration.
I can understand the judge allowing the father to sue. Statements being made that ‘he did’ rather than ‘I have strong suspicions of and am very concerned this may be happening’ read very differently.
Has Connie ever been represented by an attorney?
Yes, Connie was represented initally, and things were going well. The pedophile had to go to anger control counciling I believe. He had supervised visitation only, and Connie could answer better than I. Then the lawer retired. Connie did not have the lump sum of money for a new retainer, and was forced to reduce her hours at work due to the fact that Alliyah could not stand to be left at daycare and would scream and cry to be away from Connie. Connie’s sister Cara shouldered the burdens of their household bills.
As for the question of why the judge did not allow the testimony of the psycologist Alliyah had been seeing, I cannot speak with certainty, however I believe it was along the lines that the ped’s lawyer filed a motion to have her reports inadmissible because the psyc was hired by the mother and was not court appointed and therefor requested the court appointed shrink, which as I explained, understandably did not yeild results.
Do not forget the judge and the peds lawyer are pals. That is part of what calls for investigation here, the lack of sense in some of this. If it was all being handeled correctly there would NOT need to be a savealliya.com because the abuse would not be allowed to continue. All of our hope was that if Connie preservered, and did the right thing, and told the truth, our system would come through, and justice would prevail. This has been going on a long time now. It is because things haven’t been done, and things don’t add up that help is needed now.
M2C, I hope you are not referring to me! I did not accuse ANYONE of being someone they were not. I apologized to all of you, who thought I was being rude. I asked a plain and simple question to Mermaid. Not one of you who are saying to be cautious have ever spoken to the mother. All of you who are skeptical have your own opinions, but when we who believe Connie voice ours we are chastised and belittled.
Sarf, thank you so much for standing up for Aaliyah and her mother. I tried to contact Aaliyah’s “lawyer” today, 10 times, ALWAYS an answering machine…Does she know about all of us trying to get Aaliyah’s voice heard?
I spoke with CPS today also. They said they are looking into taking the baby out of the father’s home and placing her in a neutral setting as BOTH parents will be investigated. That is all I want! I want that baby safe. I have NEVER asked anyone to send money to Connie. I asked that if anyone knew of a lawyer that is willing to take on this case to please get in contact with Connie. I care about this baby first and foremost! It’s sick what is going on…..and it goes on everywhere and everyday. But because Aaliyah hasn’t been murdered yet, people are skeptical. I don’t really care, I know what I feel and I feel this to be true. I will help until I physically can’t! My heart goes out to all of Connie’s friends and family and thank you so much for coming here to speak for both of them.
I totally agree that foster care would be the safest place for this child until the facts get sorted out. I’m sure Connie would prefer that to leaving her where she is.
This is actually good news if CPS follows through.
I can’t bear the thought of this child suffering one minute longer while the courts and attorneys and parents are fighting over what to do.
This child needs to be in a safe environment while decisions are being made. She is my only concern.
I do not know the father’s side of this case, and we have plenty of posts from the mother’s side. There are opinions all over the place on this subject. The more people talk about it, the more people have to sway their decisions. Even opinions I do not agree with personally will keep me thinking (and talking and posting) about this case.
All I truly care about is this child. She is either being horribly abused or is caught in a hellacious custody battle. No matter what is happening, there needs to be an impartial(if there is such a thing) investigation immediately.
There needs to be continued public scrutiny of this case, the courts, the officials, CPS, the attorneys and the parents. This is a real little girl and she is in need of our help.
So even if people do not jump on the bandwagon immediately KarenCCC, at least you have helped to bring out discussion, and action.
Please, again, I am not asking anyone to jump on any bandwagon. I am just trying to point out MY reason of being here. I have spoken to the mother, I believe her. That’s all I am saying.
I hope CPS does too, they told me they will not divulge anymore information regarding Aaliyah, meaning if she is out of his house or not. So, I don’t even know how we will find out unless Cara or Mr. Bedwell let’s us know.
By bandwagon, I meant the need to stand up for this child.
It is important that the public keep the pressure on the people able to do something for this baby.
You are doing a good thing KarenCCC- be happy you are helping!
Thank you Bay, that word was used before, but not as nicely. And thank you for saying that.
I will continue to post updates if Aali is taken out of the home. I know that an impartial investigation, and Aali being removed from her current situation is what her mother wants more than anything, this eats at her every second of the day. I know her and I have a son who is 1 month younger than Aali and I sometimes can’t even think about Connie and how it must feel to be so helpless to help your own baby and the TORTURE that would be. I can not imagine being without my son, much less knowing he is being hurt. When I think of what that little girl endures it breaks my heart. All I can say to the nay-sayers is that I have known Connie and her sister for several years and my sister has known them since they were children, and I have never witnessed abuse by Connie or Cara. I have never heard Connies story waver as I have watched this progress. I have never seen either of them act unstable or strange or greedy. They are in fact more magnanimous and sane that I feel I would be. They rely heavily on their faith to get them through these horrors, and running and going to the gym. Neither smokes, or uses drugs, EVER. They have a nice clean home, and are close with their other siblings and father, as well as having long-term friends. I hope this helps dispell the maybe they are psycos thoughts that have to naturally be entertained. I can not say they have ever been anything but nice and sweet natured, and their concern for Aali is 100% genuine.
sarf I talked to Connie and Cara on different occasions. Cara told me that Connie would be more than happy to see the state take Aaliyah and place her in another home where they all would know she is safe until all this mess is settled in the courts. I heard their desperation in their voices too. If this is not true and it is all a hoax I have to say that all the people we talked to must be excellent actors and could receive an award for best performance. Trust me, I am not always one that easy to win over either, but these people have got my vote.
What harm can it be to fight for this anyway. Either way it is a win/win situation. If it is proven to be false then a hoax will be busted and a lot of people will go to jail. If we can prove this is truly a desperate mother trying to save her daughter’s life then I for one will feel better knowing I did what I could.
Some have helped and I personally thank them for the help. Some were quick to say from the get go that it was a hoax and never gave it a chance. That is fine, that is their right. I am expressing my right to go for it and help Connie and Aaliyah with all I have.
Simon and I would continue trying to help even if no one else was there to help, that is how strong we believe in this. If we are wrong then I will applaud it all because then I can say the child is safe!
Thank you Jan, it has been more than difficult to try to figure out how to handle all of this. We are all in our twenties, we aren’t lawyers. Connie doesn’t know how to set up trusts through attorneys and accountants. I have a BA and a Masters and have had no experience either with that type of thing. There isn’t a book that’s titled IDIOTS GUIDE TO OVERCOMING A CORRUPT JUDICIAL SYSTEM or HOW TO STOP A PEDOPHILE ON A SHOESTRING BUDGET. I wish there was. Thank you for adding your knowledge, maybe with all these minds put together, Alliyah can be made safe.
Let me educate the world on the way the pedophile clan operates; they are extremely easy to spot…
They call the people telling THE TRUTH names such as “Crazy, mentally ill, munchausen syndrome, fruitloop etc.” And have a very charming fake concern of why they are even blogging on the internet. It is a tactic of a liar to call the honest person “crazy.”
They try to convince people this is a scam to try to make sure the mother cant afford an attorney in Aaliyah’s defense to present the overwhelming evidence to the system. Another Abuser tactic is too control their victims money.
They bash the living heck out of the mother, yet never address the issues or things the baby has stated. They spin your mind and focus away from the real issue.
They will constantly try to sway people away from helping the mother (An abuser tactic). Abusers always have certain things in their intenions such as ISOLATING the victim so the victim cant get help, SILENCING the victim so the victim cant get help, and MANIPULATING everyone around them to turn on the victim so the victim cant get help, and last but not least THEY PLAY THE POOR VICTIM THEMSELVES. They try to confuse people with whom the victim truely is so nobody cares to support the true victim.
Also there is a saying about abusers that rings true in every case… “They look in the mirror and see their dirty face yet proceed to wash the mirror.” They blame the true victim for everything they are truely doing… for example…in this case the pedophile claims the mother is trying to keep the child from him…yet in reality he is using that exact lie to proceed to actually do that very thing to the mother. Everything the abuser uses as his reasoning against the mother is exactly his agenda (remember that). For example he cheated on her, so he blamed her, he has used cocaine so he says she does, he is an alcoholic so he says she is, he is abusing his baby so he says she is, he is a lying manipulator so he says she is…etc. His goal is to throw out so many crossfiring accusations that nobody can see the truth. So pay very close to peoples writings. Its not hard to spot the peophile clan. They come up with the most off the wall lies. Make them prove what they are saying…if they have an email claiming the mother only wants money (an outright lie) make them present this email…oh wait they cant…it doesnt exist.
They cant defend themselves with facts and truth so therefore result in the name calling.
They have a goal to divide and conquer. Notice how he “Anne Cloter” tries to turn the mothers boyfriend against her. Abusers think they own their victims so they are extremely jealous if a new man comes into their victims life. In abusers minds the victim should have zero independence and should solely have to depend on the abuser.
Abusers operate on this in everything they do…CONTROL and ENTITLEMENT. They try to control the entire victims life and they think they are entitled to do it.
If you see any of these signs you know who they are…keep your eyes peeled. The mothers family and friends use their names because what they are saying is the truth. You never see the clan putting their name to their “stories” because they wont stand for the lies they tell.
Also everyone blogging on this site keep your eyes on the look out for this one thing… Jan and Simon are trying to dig for the TRUTH to come out… one problem the pedophile clan has with that is they dont want the truth to come out. So in the pedophile clans mind they see someone helping the mother… watch for the isolation…it will be coming on thick.
We thank you all for helping the truth come out…
Aaliyah, we are going to save you from daddy and grandpa.
To the pedophile clan, something you will never understand…
When you hold fast to THE TRUTH even the very words of the enemy defeat themselves.
C. Bedwell
I have one question…why would a stranger care if the money was in a trust??? I could suggest an idea…so the ped can have access to it…hmmm.
As I understand it there are strict confidentiality laws to protect children. If Child Protective Services (CPS)is talking about Aaliya to anyone other than immediate family -especially some unknown person inquiring via phone – I think that’s against the law. If CPS is doing this then they must be as incompetent as they’ve been accused of being – even more so.
Please allow me one reasonable question without jumping on me or accusing me of awful things: After this past week of intense investigation and publicity on top of extensive publicity (on the internet anyway) for quite a long time it seems why did the mother go to court yesterday with no lawyer?
I thought some independent lawyers had offered their services or other similar opportunities had been provided? I am not talking about public defenders – I mean good independent lawyers.
And to Ms. C Bedwell above: There are all kinds of different trusts. It depends how the trust is written. One could be written in such a way as to allow only you access to it for purposes of providing legal aid to your child or to hire legal representation for yourself.
A trust is a legal binding document. I think the father would have a much more difficult time getting his hands on money in that kind of trust than he would any money you might collect that he could claim should go toward back child support for example (if required). I believe the right kind of trust really could keep it away from him.
M2C, I asked if she has had any lawyers coming to her aid, she said that she could not tell me that. I hope so, but that is all I know.
When I called CPS yesterday, I told the lady that answered the phone that I only had a question. That question was why they couldn’t just take the baby out of his home until an investigation can be done for both parents, she put me on hold and said that that is what they were looking into doing at that moment. She stated that she would not be answering any other questions because of their confidentiality policies. I said, “Well, Aaliyah isn’t confidential any more.” She agreed, but reiterated that she would not be speaking about the case any longer. That’s all I needed to know, is if they were even entertaining the thought. I’m sorry if I make you feel you are being attacked. That’s how I feel too. I am glad that you are following this. I am happy that you are speaking of it. I hope we will know all the answers that we all have soon.
KarenCCC –
I understand what I think you mean – that the world knows about Aaliyah now so we won’t be going away and we do expect something to be done. But most of what CPS can say or any officer of the court can say about Aailyah’s case IS confidential because she’s a child. That’s the law I believe.
M2C, Yes, that is what I mean. If it’s a hoax or not, I know personally, I am not going away until it is resolved. I was going to call them and yell, but decided to just ask that one question. I’ve never been involved with CPS and don’t know their policies. I just had to know. I’m wondering if she answered the question because now the whole nation knows of Aaliyah? I don’t know.
WOW It’s amazing to me that the mothers family can slam the father & his “clan” & no one really says anything, but if someone even questions the mothers intentions they are accused of being the father himself, his family or his attorney. Am I the only one that finds that ridiculous? We are all here to support this child. It shouldn’t matter if we support the mother or the father!
Jenmer,
We are concerned with the child, and feel empathy for the mother, not the abuser. There is a long history here, and this did not just begin a week ago. Please understand that as the perpertrator of a heinous crime against a small child people are inclined to feel negatively toward the pedophile. While this might not always be expressed in the most beneficial way, it is hard for those who know and love this child to be cut and dry about it. This is an emotional issue, and thank God it is, because if we didn’t care enough to get mad then where would Alliyah’s future lie?
People need to understand that this has been going on two years and the detective that did the “investigation” didnt contact anyone on a two page list of witnesses that the mother gave them… That is not truely “investigating.” We slam the pedophile clan because we have been fighting insane lies and manipulation from them. Manipulation to the point the authorities wont even contact the people that know he is a child molester and have witnessed what the baby has said and done time and time again. Aaliyah is indeed being molested by her father. If you cant understand why people are emotional about that factor and see our urgency to get her out of his home so she is safe then I dont know what to tell you. We dont support pedophiles or pedophile supporters. We have all witnessed it, we know the truth, we want to be heard. We are all Aaliyah’s voice for her. We are relaying what she has said and done. It is our responsibility to have her voice heard and to make sure she is protected from him and his father.
Joey Tillman has some additional info on his CPC site. It’s a bit of a read but I would highly recommend anyone following this story read the information. It answers many questions which I had….
ok and I will fess up, my speakers don’t work and haven’t in ages.
Thank you Joey for providing this additional information.
PFA
4 Baby Aaliyah, I have been trying to convince people exactly what you said. You are all witnesses to baby Aaliyah’s cries for help, either by her voice or actions. You and your family have every right to speak for her, especially since Connie can’t. Connie doesn’t HAVE to tell you, you have witnessed it! When you scream, I will scream!
Well, it has been months since the “we’re waiting to hear back…and I don’t see anything that CB has done to get her daughter back except ramblings of accusations. She is a scammer through and through. Petitions…what the hell will petitions do. All these people that sign the petitions, were they in court, do they know the facts, do they have the documentation or do they base their opinions on the statements of the mother and the mother alone. CB/Bakersman is a con. If she truly was trying to protect her little girl, she wouldn’t have been posting the videos. That little girl will see those videos someday and you people that have blindly supported a scammer will have some questions to answer. There is a much better ways to fight the fight than posting videos and accusations or have some guy with too much time on his hand post his blogs as “articles”. And how is that going for that individual…not good. The blind supporters of CB are not helping her cause by continually mentioning this little girls name and shame on all of you that don’t think of this little girl first. I’ve heard the “I wouldn’t have hurt her if I didn’t have to” in responding to why someone would post such things on the internet…says alot of where the frame of mind is for that person.
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