Sandra Cantu’s murderer Melissa Huckaby is being sought out for investigation of suspicion of arson at a home she used to reside in. Investigators are putting off their investigation until after her murder trial. That’s some heavy hitters to have on a criminal record. Standing for murder and rape and then shortly after that two counts of arson. Huckaby is up against some pretty tough charges. Investigators have said she is the only suspect in Sandra’s death. She has stated to them that Sandra’s death was an accident but now arson on top of all the other charges, including the possibility of more charges being tied to the murder case, and another child being drugged while in her care. I am curious about Huckaby, I wonder about her what made her this way. What other things is she keeping secret? Interesting to me.  Â
I thought that she was a first for female sexual predators, I was mistaken. I read about a Washington state woman who raped a ten year old boy. There aren’t even words that come to mind for that one. For real a ten year old boy? Come on now give me a break. Not only is that disgusting and wrong in every way. I don’t know how the anatomy of a ten year old boy could get a grown woman off. To me its unbelievable I was sheltered though as a child. My grandfather was the man in my life for most of it he kept that type of thing away from me. I grew up thinking the world was one way when in fact it’s not the way I was raised to think it was. Huckaby and this other woman in Washington State are demented woman. I am truly for the first time in a long time speechless. A ten year old boy, a eight year old girl.
I believe sexual predators all need to be tossed naked into the Bering Sea with no survival suits or Coast Guard to help them. To me they are a waste of our money to house and feed. Why should we, they choose to abuse our kids, they choose to violate their trust and innocence. Why waste the time and effort it takes to keep them alive to re-offend. Most states and governments have them do time then release them forcing them to sign up as sexual offenders and sexual predators then out they go to us on the streets to live amongst us and our children. Ok makes a lot of sense to me. Not really why even let them back out. They will re-offend I’m sure there is the slim statistic of those who don’t re-offend but what is the statistic for those that do? How is catch and release keeping our kids safe? It doesn’t it never will. Sexual predators are like domesticated lions. They can and will turn at any given moment in their life it’s their nature. Even a Wolf dog can snap nice and friendly domesticated to a point then they snap. Sexual predators are the same they can go for months and years no urge then they see the one that has to be theirs and they take it. The revolving door has been used once again. Abuse doesn’t end just because a doctor deems a person suitable for society.
Its a gross misuse of judgment to “rehabilitate and release” catch and release. Let them go they’ll be fine but for how long? There is no definite answer to that question. They could never truly answer it not for sure. Only us as parents can keep watch. No one else will when is it going to be enough that we end the war against our children? What more do we have to sit back and take for us to stand up and create tougher laws that seek harder punishments for sex offenders where our children are concerned? Please we need to open our eyes see the great epiphany that is our children’s future. It isn’t just the kids the media plays on for ratings. There are thousand upon thousands of sexual predators abusing children all over this earth. It’s not just a American or Canadian or Australian problem its a global problem. This is terrorism against our children. They are being subjected to acts of terror at the hands of these predators.
Melissa Huckaby is a predator. Not only is she a sexual predator she is also a murderer. She is under suspicion of drugging another child with a muscle relaxer, also under suspicion for arson. If she is hiding this for someone she needs to wake up and smell the roses and confess. If that’s the case, Huckaby to me is a predator only hiding something for herself. She is her only accomplice. I know right to a fair trial. Presumed innocent until proven guilty. I hear you it don’t change me not one bit. I was given the ability of thought and judgment in this life. To know right from wrong and to be able to discern just that keep the rights in my life toss the wrong out. I was raised like that, to judge for yourself, what’s right and wrong. Instincts tell us when we look at someone yay or nay. Huckaby like the rest of the garbage that pollutes and infests this earth is a nay. Like I said there is no merry sunshine or candy coating in this type of situation. You either are or your not. Sit on that fence of uncertainty as long as you need. I wont do it fair trial or not, guilty is guilty. Huckaby’s next court date for her arraignment is set for May 22, 2009. She was too upset to compose herself properly for her original arraignment so they postponed it. She declined to enter a plea that day. God bless Sandra Cantu and her family.














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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackWow, where did you learn how to spell? It’s their, not there. Learn to tell the difference. And it’s the Bering Sea, not the “Baring Sea”. Must I continue? If you wish to be taken seriously, you must learn the English language. Silly mistakes such as ‘use to’ instead of ‘used to’ make people seem a lot less intelligent than what may be reality.
Now, as far as guilt or innocence, maybe we should let the court system work this out? If Huckaby is guilty, she will pay dearly for her crimes. If not, many will owe her a huge apology. Enough said . . .
Back off, Jack. You may be able to use spell check, but you about your compassion and allowing others to speak their mind without bothering with getting semi colons in a straight line. Sometimes, the subject is more important than the manner it is presented in. Bugger off.
Melissa Huckaby “hasn’t” been convicted of anything yet.. true, with this obvious fact people have the right to their own opinion.
Les Paul, that spelling mistakes are more important of a topic than a murdered child, now that is ‘WOW’ and unbelievable!
The spelling was/is not the important issue here, it is you being an arrogant swine.
I assume if the people in your life don’t agree with you, you are then a sarcastic piece of work, or maybe not, perhaps you are a coward who only has courage behind a keyboard?
You disgust me and others to whom I have shown your intelligent and yeah (cough,cough) ‘coherent’ response think that you are a total waste of time.
If you are a relative to Huckaby then I apologise and understand your sarcastic, unsympathetic, pathetic worries in relation to ‘spelling’ and not the death of a child
Melissa Huckaby makes me sick. Little Sandra is with God now and will never be hurt again.
My heart and prayers go out to her Mother and family.
Q. What are the odds of eight different worms crawling out from under their rocks during the night, and all arriving at the same place with their slimy selves ??
A. Not nearly as high as one worm.
stone, great piece once again. i will say after reading these posts that there are some people that are so jelous. never heard of most of them and probably want again. i never heard of such. they don’t have a clue about what this bnn fanily are all about. how sad for them.
stone, i love your heart along with your words. all of our love for children at bnn is truley wonderful.
if mh is guilty i hope and pray that the state of ca makes an example out of her. if she is covering for anyone, which i doubt then she needs to be made an example out of. either way she is guilty imo.
Good article..again! Keep up the good work!
There all of you its edited and properly written now…for you all! ♥
Thank YOU Mark I always enjoy when you drop in!
La dee dah
BwooP BwooP
Butters you see my fannery is here today!!
Blah blah blah
Parhaps dis har speeelng ihsnt aprovd uf by awl dese har ppl who ahr sew cohncerd bowt speeeeling!
Eyez dun knohw whax teh biyg deawl iz wiffn dah speeeel chehcks in har
Whered you all go to now? We need a rabbit hole and no one is here.
LMAO at the spelling police, are we all going to get fined, go to jail?? Its a good article Stone, mission accomplished.
Thank YOU Beth its been edited and correctd….Mark jumped in and defended me early on!! Thank YOU Mark! And Nikki! Dee I dont know I think she is a reg but I have JAN to edit for me so thanks DEE….Jan was sleeping when I posted this so…AYE BUGGER OFF like MArk says
Pickles: send me the draft of anything you want to post on the website and I will clean up the grammar and spelling for you. It is my special talent.
You’re going to have to go whip the others, they’re not jumping fast enough.
Butters whens the test??
I found this about Dustin Thompson in Placer county:
02-NOV-2006 0117725 GRANTOR THOMPSON DUSTIN D NT SUP JUDG
It means there was something to do with child support in which he was the payor a couple of years ago.
So, looks to me like at one point, she had custody…and the court date from this March where she is now the Grantor…looks like he has custody…
Looks like the 1st transcripts are here,
wftv.com/news/19334859/detail.html
Thank you Beth! I just found it too Transcripts of interview with Deputy Cain
bbl I gotta go buy a test
Thank you, Spacely. That relates to what was said in comment #165 on the petition site about her being mad at having to pay child support. I have no idea if that person’s comments are true or not (so please don’t anyone get mad at me. I am holding off on any decision about this case)
I saw at the top of the petition site page that it was sponsored by someone. I wonder if finding out who that person is would help?
Probably not. It’s probably someone who read about the situation on the web and posted a petition about it. Just a thought anyway.
Pickles – GOOD ARTICLE! Thank you for keeping Sandra and Haleigh’s stories alive!
BUTTERS – Weren’t you supposed to be taking a test this morning young lady? Well?????????
Spacely – I have emailed Dee Dee Gunther twice this morning – included Dustin’s name, judge’s name, case #, etc. Haven’t heard back from her. I guess Connie is the mother. At least now it is looking more legit with some details as to names, case numbers, etc. Keep me posted on anything you find and I’ll do the same.
BBL – gotta go check out the doc dump!
Accordng to the newly-released documents, hair samples taken from Caylee’s remains were tested for a range of drugs. The results were negative.
The report went on to state, “Although the method used in this analysis allows for the detection of very small amounts of the drugs listed, negative results should not be interpreted as proof that the individual was not exposed to the drugs listed,”
-abc action News
m2c..i was wondering why a parent would return a child to a abuser?? there are places to go where people will help you get you a attorney give you housing stuff like that..how could a parent return a child if this kind of abuse was going on?? not me id pack my child up and leave…
anna did you get my emails???? YOU ARE NOT THE ANNIE IN OUR JOKES…I LOVE YOU I WOULD NEVER TALK ABOUT YOU THAT WAY
i got one:)
So the transcripts you found of Dpt Cain, are these all going to be new? That man is the reason we don’t know how Caylee was murdered. can’t stand that man.
gotta go rearange furniture bbl…
anna I love you I felt horrible when I thought you thought I was talkng bout you!! NEVER NOT IN A MILLION YEARS anna…..
Wahrs mah Papa?
Karen whois Cain….I have lost track of Caylee due to covering Haleigh and Sandra
Pick-a -loo I dont care about the spelling I understood every thing that was said,my Dear,,
OMG good thing I dont write articles
I am such a great speller hahahahaha
let me tell you a bit of the English language
EXAMPLES
a (herd) of cattle
I (heard) what you said ,
the knife ,,, a nife..?
the word (their) sounds like, (there) different meaning
.. knock… nock? why the silent letters ? no need of the K
Heaven . why the A ?
For some one who cannot speak a word of English ,, it must be difficult for anyone to learn
Try French , verbs. masculine & feminine
On my (tool bar) I have a spell check Ha! & I dont use it ,,,
but I have a Dictionary
what ever ,, Stone you have done a fine Job….
I believe these are people who have been banned from here , Insulting & jealous ,
anna: I believe that the woman took the child away for a while – unfortunately, illegally, as she did not have custody or full custody at the time. But then she returned to the area and got in trouble.
jules – I think this could very well be a real legit case as far as the names of who is involved and a very messy divorce but the question is are the mother’s allegations true?
We (you) are giving her the benefit of the doubt by looking in to this situation because by doing so we can find out what kind of pressure to put where in order to get the situation thoroughly investigated – which has been her problem all along. That no one was properly looking in to it and finding out about the abuse. And that’s what has to happen to get help for this child (if she is being abused). So THANK YOU! And everyone else!
While I was out searching I came across this…hehehe!
Petition:
No more air time for Anthony family
thepetitionsite.com/petition/851674974
Pickles, Deputy Richard Cain is the one who “responded” to Kronk’s 911 and did NOT find anything and eventually got fired and is now appealing his firing. He is also a witness for the defense BUT he is battling Bozo because he does not want to turn over his phone records to Bozo.
Thank YOU NANA~~ I dont let it get to me I take it and fix the insults to my writing and repost it and carry on..
My fannery~!
Thank you, Lorim! I’ll sign that happily!
I just don’t know why they didn’t call it “DUCT TAPE SINDEE’S MOUTH!”
Pickles, Deputy Cain, he’s the one that fouled up TWICE on calls out to where Caylee was found. The calls were in August. The first call was about a bad of stuffed animals and clothes (toddlers) and a little sandle. He said that they couldn’t be about Caylee so he threw them back over the fence. Someone went back to get it and it was gone. Then when he messed up the Kronk call. I’m sure you know all this, but I seem to lose people somehow?
Good article Stone. As usual, it shows your passion for justice.
Les Paul is free to speak his mind if he does not like your article. YOU are free to speak your mind. It’s called “freedom of speech”. Melissa will get her day in court. Alls well.
The only thing that is not “alls well” is the fact that repeat offenders are getting a slap on the wrist, until they take it to the ultimate and a child winds up dead. I won’t go on discussing this ad naseum. Hopefully, petitions, and our voices will be heard.
Justice for Sandra Cantu and her family.
Oh the dude who got scared from the snake….ITS A GUN USE IT SHOOT THE SNAKE IN THE FACE
Pickles, LOTS of people can write correctly as far as grammar and spelling etc. However many of these same people can not COMMUNICATE the feelings, emotions, or even facts very well!
And that, in my opinion, cannot be learned.
What they do – spell correctly – can be learned but they can never learn to communicate the way you can. Maybe that’s what’s so upsetting to them.
AnneA..First of all, good morning. You asked a question in one of your posts about why doesn’t mother just take the child to a safe house. The only thing I can think of is if these are supervised visitations, she would be stopped…don’t you think? I think the courts have very strict rules when they appoint a supervisor of child visitation. Leaving with the child to a safe house would I would think be near impossible.
Please don’t leave BNN. I for one, so admire you and you add a wealth if information to the forum. When you say you don’t get involved with the silliness and jokes that go on here, please understand that sometimes the room gets so saturated with all the horrors these children live thru, that when there is a break in the current news, we do that to lighten up. It’s truly needed from time to time. A little breather..Something to smile and laugh about in between bouts of the horrors we read about. Helps us so we don’t go crazy!! You see?
In other words, many people don’t have anything to say OR they don’t say it very well – even if they do get an “A” in English class.
I mean a “bag” of stuffed animals. I have a typing speed of 120 wpm, but I have a lot of spelling errors! Sorry
m2c “duct tape sindee’s mouth ” good one
mb – We have two people with similar names.
One of our oldest bloggers is anna – who wrote what you responded to this morning. A newer blogger is AnneA. Two different people.
Just an aside on the ‘conviction’ of Huckaby…
Again, we are beginning to hear the rumblings of the famous defense of those caught virtually red-handed…Innocent Until Proven Guilty.
Yes, everyone in the USA is Innocent Until Proven Guilty in a court of law…the phrase ‘in a court of law’ often being forgotten…the innocence or guilt being referred to applies only in a court of law…it does not change the reality of a person’s actions or the consequences for the victim’s family members and loved ones.
If we want to put out facts, let’s put out facts.
Fact #1 – Sandra was found stuffed into a suitcase.
Fact #2 – Huckaby attempted to report a ‘stolen’ suitcase from her driveway – a suitcase she was planning to give to a rummage sale – a worthless item – so this is the equivalent of attempting to report your garbage stolen from the curve by a big noisy truck…
Fact #3 – Huckaby voluntarily and repeatedly told varying stories centered around the suitcase to reporters.
Although these facts do not prove that she murdered Sandra, they certainly indicate that she is intimately connected to what happened and at best is an accomplice in a horrific crime.
The bottom line is that she at this very moment, she is either guilty or innocent and all the available evidence points to guilt. But no matter what happens in court, nothing changes the her actual guilt or innocence. So, she is not Innocent until Proven Guilty, she is either innocent or guilty right this moment…and the courts may or may not reflect that guilt…but we all certainly have the right to make up our own mind without someone else stepping on our right to do so.
oops, anna, sorreeee! I did not mean that YOU are old! LOL! I don’t even know your age!
I meant that you’ve been with us for a LONG TIME! Hope you are laughing WITH me! My apologies!
I personally think Huckaby did this, but it was so strange to hear. It’s a proven statstic that women RARELY EVER abuse children. I’m NOT saying they don’t, it’s just not as common. I was totally SHOCKED when I heard a woman was arrested.
Spacely, my father was a “lawyer” in the military. Hmmmm, he practiced law in the military. You should have heard our VERY LOUD discussion about the Caylee case. I am so sick of people saying “guilty until proven innocent” and she deserves a fair trial. This is just my opinion and I can say this cuz I would never do ANYTHING to put myself in a situation that I would need the help of a lawyer. I was literally in tears trying to convince my dad of the facts in Caylee’s case. But because he has his lawyer’s hat on, he just won’t see it. He says that I am too emotional and he would never want me on a jury. Oh well!
Oops, there I go again I meant, “I am sick of innocent until proven guilty” Sorry all
Spacely….I notice you have the ability to check certain issues for verification, have you checked the specific case number that was left by Karen CCC @ 8:53 at the other article ???
M2C…Oh for pete’s sake you are right!! I wasn’t reading the names close enuf. Thanks! My bad!
BTW…Good morning anna to you too!
Pickles said “ITS A GUN USE IT SHOOT THE SNAKE IN THE FACE”
don’t know why but that cracks me up everytime you say that
I’m reading Cains transcripts, he needed fired.
SPACE SAID:
Fact #2 – Huckaby attempted to report a ’stolen’ suitcase from her driveway – a suitcase she was planning to give to a rummage sale – a worthless item – so this is the equivalent of attempting to report your garbage stolen from the curve by a big noisy truck…
THAT IS A VERY VERY GOOD POINT! That’s what happens when you murder and child! You lie, and lies seems to twist themselves ever so slighty with the twisted mind of a killr… and eventually, you get caught!
ANNAA YOUR NOT LEAVING US ARE YOU…WE LOVE YOU….we all agree to disagree I dont know if the video is real what I do know is real or not a CHILD IS BEING EXPLOITED its WRONG NO MATTER WHAT ANGLE IS BEING USED
Innocent until proven guilty needs to be stricken from the constitution and replaced with….GUILTY or Innocent…but your azz is sitting in jail with enough evidence to keep ya there until YOU PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE.
m2c..i know im a old old woman…:)
Okay – tired of reading the Cain transcript…. “I saw a bag” “no you didn’t” “Yes I did” “no, not that bag” “which bag” “that bag” “but there wasn’t a bag” “yes there was” “then where is the bag” “what bag” “The Bag” “There wasn’t a bag” “Yes there was a bag” “But you didn’t pick it up” “Yes I did pick it up” “Picked what up” “the bag” “what bag” “the bag” “but there wasn’t a bag” “yes there was a bag” “then where is the bag” “what bag” “the bag” URGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!
Let me know if anyone else manages to wade through that transcript and is able to obtain anything of any value! Just gave me a headache!
Jules he was scared of a SNAKE shoot the fuggng SNAKE IN THE HEAD AND KILL IT AND CARRY ON
Spacely – add the fact that Huckafugg said “Sandra’s death was an accident” doesn’t exactly scream INNOCENT! She KNEW the child died, was obviously THERE when the child died and knew HOW the child died and at least perceived it to be an accident. I don’t think an innocent person would make the statement that the death was an accident! If she was innocent, how would she know ANYTHING about how or why Sandra died? HELLO! GUILTY!
lmao Jules, it ends at like page 21, they didn’t settle the argument, then begins the interview w/ the deputy who found Caylee. Cains was hard to get through, of course Butters has me side tracked w/ enchiladas.
mb~the thing about the safe house is if she had supervised visitation she would not be able to make that vidio…and at the time of that vidio the child A (cant spell the name right now)was potrayed as being abused by her father, i dont think a supervised visit would allow that do you??? also if you go to a womens shelter one of the first things they ask is if the child is being abused and if so there is things they can help with also if its a question about it being true or not the child would be placed in pc untill the matter is sorted out..personally i wouldnt want my child with anyone else but if they are being abused as long as i could visit them id feel better knowing they were at least safe from thier abuser if they couldnt be with me..did that make sence???
Pickles – I guess Cain was out there once with Kronk and another time with that Mr. Williams dude that found the bag of stuffed animals. They are GRILLING him about how his story changed and it is just back and forth about the bag, which bag, there was a bag, there wasn’t a bag, where was the bag, what bag, and on and on and on…. makes your head spin. I gave up on reading it….will wait for someting else….. I want lab results although I’m disappointed that the results are negative on Caylees hair for any drugs. That was NOT what I expected to hear.
jules – with that kind of testimony why is he even on Bozo’s witness list? Maybe they’re writing a script for him to memorize now.
Has this guy been deposed by Bozo? Meaning do we know what he’s said to Bozo? Sorry bad memory here. I’m asking because it would be interesting to compare his interview with police and what he may have said to Bozo.
Beth sorry you said that yes its a gun use it shoot the fuggng snakes face off
Anna – made sense to me. Right now we’ve got more questions than answers. Not a lot about this Aalyiah case makes sense to me. But if it is legit, we need to help her. I just wish the Roseville PD would get back with me. I gave them the abuser’s name, case number, judge’s name, etc. They SHOULD be able to confirm it is legit in short order….or at least you would think they could. If this isn’t a scam, it COULD be like someone said earlier, an ugly divorce and there is no abuse. Who knows. I don’t know how she could have made that video with the monitored visitation either. Doesn’t make sense.
Jules @10:11
You NEVER fail to make me laugh. You are one funny lady.
Hair samples taken from Caylee’s remains were tested for a variety of drugs, with negative results. Examiners did not detect alprazolam, known under the trade name Xanax, or diazepam, marketed as Valium.
The FBI report states the hair sample was not tested for chloroform, “as this examination is not deemed probative by the FBI Laboratory’s Chemistry Unit.”
-Orlando Sentinel
KarenCCC – don’t worry about typos, we figure out each others posts. I even understood your transposition – ha.
Very interesting that your father was a military lawyer. I wish we could have run a few things by him. We had all kinds of legal questions in the beginning!
When they selected the jurors for OJ, they were required to answer oooodles of questions. I can’t remember how many pages, but it was something. I wonder what jury selection is going to entail in Casey’s trial. Expecially with all the publicity – whew – shudder to think.
on huckab**tch i think she drugged sandra like she did the other child in jan and she gave her to much and she died thats how she says its a accedent but drugging a child is no accedentno matter if she lived or not, the tracy pd should have to answer for not investigating the first incedent…so what if the mom had a drink does it make her child any lees of need for justice, gee if the pd condemed e1 for having a drink half of them maybe even more would be off the force….by the way good article stone…most of the spelling misteaks(witch i didnt notice) were probably because you were typing to fast with emotion & heart like m2c said, the people who are looking for spelling misteaks should go to a spelling site instead of a missing child site…who cares about spelling when a child is murdered!!!
Anna..Yes, that makes a lot of sense!!
M2C – LE was grilling Cain because none of his interviews conducted by LE were consistant….story kept changing…. it is page after page of gibberish if you ask me. I don’t think Bozo could depo this guy…. between Bozo’s “ummm, if ummm, well you know…if, ummm, that uhhh, you know,….well ummmm, let’s see uhhh” and Cain’s “what bag?” “which bag” “that bag?” “there wasn’t a bag” “there was a bag” “no, not that bag”…..all of our heads would EXPLODE!
jules @10:11 almost spilled my tea, lmaoff
Hi anna, nice to see you , where have you been?
Lexie and Lissy’s Papa said,in May 1st, 2009 at 9:58 am Spacely….I notice you have the ability to check certain issues for verification, have you checked the specific case number that was left by Karen CCC @ 8:53 at the other article ???
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Papa, I have been busy this morning, so not gotten into that yet, but I don’t think this case was actually in Placer County…which means it was in another county…if someone knows the county, it will make it a ton easier to check.
MB – that transcript was painful! I should go back and count the total number of words there are in the transcript then count how many times the word “BAG” was used. If there were 5,000 words in the transcript 2,500 of them would be the word BAG! Ugh! It sounds like a Laurel and Hardy or Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis skit (for those of us old enough to know who those people are!)
Picks no U said it, I was lol at it, it cracks me up cuz you said way back when we 1st heard Cain was scared of a snake & it always cracks me up.
Jules if your on wftv the 60 pages that started out w/ Cain, after like 21 it ends then its the deputy who found Caylee, then a few later it the deputy on watch at the Ants in Dec working w/ Cain, ie no info of value that I can see. Not sure whats next, I’m scanning.
If the docs are as redundant as you all imply, I think I’ll skip them and just rely on what you all write about them here.
Jules Bag, what bag, was there a bag??
To Jules and Anna, I don’t think the video was made when she had only supervised visitation. She told me yesterday that the video was made June 9th 2008. That was a year ago and that could also be why people seem to remember hearing about it before. I think her case doesn’t make sense because she has to keep out the pertinent facts so she won’t get in trouble from his lawyer (the abuser has a gag order on her). I don’t know if you saw earlier, but I believe who I am emailing back and forth with IS the mother. She hasn’t sent me any emails today. I asked her yesterday if it was a hoax and she said that it wasn’t. I feared she wouldn’t even have messaged me back after I asked her that, but she did. I told her to be on the look-out for an email from Jan.
Nana – sorry – didn’t mean to make you spill your tea!
Jules, or Abbott and Costello!
Oh no Jules at page 31 its another Cain interview & I already see the bag questions beginning, don’t go there, you’ll explode.
Beth – let me know if you see anything worth reading…. those transcripts were PAINFUL…. 21 pages of “where’s the bag” “what bag” “the bag” is TOO much for me!
Not sure how you made it through it! Kudos to you! Keep me posted if you see another doc dump hit! But if it has ANYTHING to do with a bag, I may have to pass!
pickles, yes i thought that was about me…when your no the pc you have no conformation about who is who and who says what…i do know im very passonate about these children and e1 here is also, so i think thats more important than hurt feelings, i do believe you tho in saying it wasnt me you meant, most of the people here are good honest people with hearts as big as the world, i lost focus for a moment..ALLS GOOD~anna
Capy, if you want me to ask my dad anything, I will. He’s been out of the military and practicing law for a loooong time, but he’ll tell me if things have changed.
KAREN – Please dont’ take this the wrong way….and forgive me for not reading back on the what looks to be a very high amount of posts concerning this case.
Did this mother seek you out and how? Second, when did you have first contact with her? I have a third question but will hang on until after you have given me some insight!
Karen – oh yes, Abbott and Costello! Loved them when I was little – we’d come home from church and after lunch there would always be an Abbott and Costello movie on! TOO funny! That is EXACTLY what the transcripts are like!
Beth, thanks for the warning – so there is a break from the “BAG” discussion from page 22 to 30 but then it starts up again? Weren’t the first 21 pages of the “BAG” discussion enough? About made my eyes bleed for pity sakes! ENOUGH WITH THE BAG! Please tell me this isn’t the only crap LE released! That will SUCK!
SPACELY – you here? Just got a reply from Dee Dee Gunther – can you work your investigative magic with the info provided below:
Papa: F.Y.I. – see below….
A case was investigated by the Auburn Police Department. Their number is 530-823-4237. To research court records (like the one you referred to below), please call the Placer County Court at 916-408-6000, or you can also email them from their website at http://www.placercourts.org/ . Court personnel will release information that is considered public information, or direct you in how to do further research. We are not able to determine at this time whether the request for money is a scam, or just a request for assistance which you can honor or not, as you wish.
Dee Dee Gunther
Analyst/Police PIO
Roseville Police Department
City of Roseville
1051 Junction Blvd.
Roseville, CA 95678
(916) 774-5015/Mobile (916)257-1942
http://www.roseville.ca.us
Jules – you always make me laugh too.
I think I can clear the bag thing for you: “whos, on first and what’s on second”. I’m with you, don’t want to read this baggity bag bag bag stuff.
Thanks KARENCCC, we might take you up on your offer. We’ll probably have lots of questions when the “Money Trail” is exposed as to Bozo & his team’s funding.
Ok, I started searching for Judge Jeffrey Penny and this weird article popped up about the Placer County court system and custody matters that seems to support the story being real:
associatedcontent.com/article/43819/placer_county_judicial_system.html?cat=17
I don’t know the validity and it is kind of long, so you have to go there to read it yourself.
Copy and paste the link into your browser address bar to go to the article.
CA, I recived a myspace bulletin from a child abuse prevention foundation regarding the video. I went to the site and then left questions on the contact us page. She emailed me almost immediately. My first contact with her was on Monday, the 27th.
Jules, I used to watch them after church as well, with doughnuts!
Well, the swine flu is now in 19 states and climbing…. almost 400 cases worldwide, almost 150 of those are here in the US. Nearly 200 deaths so far….
CNN shows pics of sunbathers in Mexico wearing masks… yeah, THAT will leave some really cool tan lines!
DUH!
karenccc – You must be reading and communicating with her around the clock to know so many details in just 3 days! I assumed you had been in contact with her for months due to your highly detailed knowledge about the case from reading just a few of your posts! WOW!
karenccc@10:30am…june 9th??? a coincidence date or what???
jules @ 10:22 am So I guess IF Bozo has a plan for what to do with Cain as a witness for the defense he probably plans to ask “Did you find a bag of remains” and Cain will say “No.” So any juror who wants to believe him will think the remains were not there at the time – which Bozo will say means someone else killed her and placed her there. Hopefully on cross examination the state will be able to show Cain’s incompetence as well as his resentment against LE (for being fired) and show the jury that he’s not a reliable witness.
Jules but I had to keep reading to find out what the deal w/ the bag was lol. In this interview they’re ripping him a new one for not asking Kronk to show him the ‘bag’ he called about.
Between the Williams guy & Kronk, I think there were others who went to that area also- some teenagers, Cs mouth could’ve been shut in Aug AND we’d know how Caylee died. Cain does not need to be a policeman.
Hmmm, Anna, I don’t think so…but who knows. CA, I have been trying since Monday to do everything I could think of. She emails me back almost immediately sometimes and others, it takes a while. She said she is so busy trying to find the help. She said she got to see Aaliyah yesterday. I’m waiting for a response from her, she emailed me at 1:30 am.
karen i wasnt being sarcastic but at first that was the last day(supposidly) the ants saw caylee..just a coincedince(spelling)
m2c, that is my worst fear! I said that on another site….Baez is trying to make it look like the body wasn’t there, and that C was in jail when it was placed there. I litterly HATE defense lawyers!
Anna, I know, I didn’t take it sarcastically
I have identified the county of the court proceedings as Placer County…there is a Hon. Jeffrey Penney listed for Placer County on this webpage:
courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/trial/judges.htm
Okay Spacely – read that article – sounds like this court system is jacked up! I didn’t see anything about that Judge Jeffrey Penny though. So are you thinking this is a legit case now?
Papa – you here? Need you input here! See my post above with email from LE in Roseville, CA
Here is the website for the Placer County Courts:
placer.courts.ca.gov/
Here is there phone number:
916-408-6000
There is an e-mail address on the webpage, but if I paste here, I will get moderated.
I suggest someone call them with the case number and see what they say. Tell them your concerns. There is also a link for Legal Help…someone should check that out too…
It wouldn’t make me think the body wasn’t there cuz Cain keeps saying there was lots of water, as far as you could see. So its right w/ what was thought, it was under water til Dec when it dried up.
M2C – I don’t think LE will have ANY trouble showing Cain as incompetent! Bozo can try all he wants but Cain will be seen as a hostile witness for the prosecution….. he’s pissed that he got fired but from what I can tell, he NEEDED to be fired! What an idiot!
ok after eating a roll chilcken and a giant hershys…i gotta take my doggie out, wonder who needs the excersize more me or her??? will be back later to update on the doc dumps and any new info…….later guys~anna
Pickles – where is Papa? Can you email him and get him on here? We’re getting some info on the Aalyiah case but want his input! Can you track him down please?
you might have to manually put the www in front of the placer court web address…
Butters!!!!! Test! Did you do the test again?? Got my rabbits foot out for ya!
KarenCCC- I am hoping that the state’s expert scientists can prove thru the plant growth and other kinds of evidence that it was there since the middle of June.
Of course, Bozo has hired Macaluso who supposedly has a reputation for cross-examining expert witnesses and I imagine they plan to de-bunk the scientists (it’s all “junk science” according to BB, right? Barf.)
Karen – you still here? Can you use the info on Spacely’s post to contact Placer Co and ask them some questions? My boss is looking over my shoulder a lot this morning so I can’t really do much at the moment.
Papa – if you are reading this, could you make a call or send an email to Place Co – see SPacely’s email above. BBL.
Jules do you have a case #, if you do I will call & ask if I can get the info.
Here is the contact info for the FBI in Sacramento – which I believe to be the closest FBI office to Placer County. This would be another excellent place to report this possible child abuse:
FBI Sacramento
4500 Orange Grove
Sacramento, CA 95841
Phone: (916) 481-9110
Fax: (916) 977-2300
Hours
Although we operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, our normal “walk-in” business hours are from 8:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday. If you need to speak to a FBI representative at any time other than during normal business hours, please telephone our office at (916) 481-9110.
All the docs are on wftv now
ok back for a minute, gotta take the girl outside to play, even tho mom has a cold now
and no not swine ( don’t think anyways) lol
ok so from reading the posts what is in the doc dumps? besides the hadr to read stuff??
anna when you come back in here i been asking about YOU.. you said you are re-arranging furniture, just be sure you want it that way and dont feel the need to move it all back
thanks beth when i can i’m gonna go and read up…
stone another great article!
Negative test result maybe next month will be the month!
sad
I sure will try Jules!
oh no butters
shucks… well your right next time, like some said in a post stand on your head this time…;)
it works well, i cant elaborate tee hee
LMAO
Beth – court number and info is:
Dustin David Thompson (father), Connie (mother – spacing out on her last name)and the court # is: SDR-27409 The judge is Jeffrey Penney.
Awww, I’m sorry Butters. Maybe soon tho huh?? Don’t worry. It will happen……
Butters
Stand on your head .. stand on your head….
da dee da… stand on your head
lmao Pammy if jules talks about cob webs and the discussions of being on a plank … I doubt what you just said is any worse
julesb65 said,in May 1st, 2009 at 10:38 am
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Just saw your message…nice of them to drop the ball…
I went to the website, but you can’t actually look up court cases on it…my guess is that you can purchase some of the records for a fairly low fee, but someone will have to call to find out…
um
OK..
postition yourself on the plank correctly…
lmao
Butters don’t be sad, look at all that sex you’re going to get this month
Thanks Spacely, not being a pain but which place do I call, the one you posted or the one Jules posted? And what info do I ask for that is obtainable?
lmao
I see the petition is at a standing still of 506.. i better start buggin people again
shoot my girl is really bugging to go down to our park here at the complex, I’ll be back later. I am on vacation so… whoo hoo, I can come in and out today…
Sssh Pammy, don’t talk about the plank I’m trying to stay focused!
Did you read about squeezing lemon in your water to flush out bacteria, since you worry a little about swine flu & stuff, its a good thing to do.
Ahem….standing on your head while having sex?? What….is he suspended by a bungie cord from the ceiling?? Interesting concept!
Never tried that one! But hey…wth! Why not!
Give it a go Butters!!
Beth, try them both…
I don’t know what they can really tell you, but at this point, confirmation of the names of the father, mother, judge, and the fact there was a case and the date of that case would all be beneficial.
At least then we know the case is real and we can start to focus in on the players and the stories.
The court may also be interested to know about the webpage if there is an ongoing case…
You might even be able to get the names of the attys involved…I am sure they each have a statement to make. She says she no longer has one, but surely she did have representation at the last event. Her atty may even be able to verify that she dropped him for financial reasons and be willing to work a payment plan out for her if he knows donations are coming in…
…those are my immediate thoughts…
bbiab my boy needs his nap
BETH! NO i did not i am gonna go get some lemons then lol i already feel a cold or sinus thing starting, blah feel like crap today.. and yah i calmed my fears down alittle after i listened to this guy last night an expert who said he thinks over the next 2 weeks this is gonna dwindle… sad news is its gonna return in fall and winter. but any extra protection i get can i will try… has to be cut lemon huh? i’ll go get some
and in case you all think I am not on the blog or forgetting the cases…
a reminder
I HATE CASEY ANTHONYS GUTS
AND THE NEW EMMA BABY KILLERS GUTS AS WELL..
Beth – Spacely posted the case number above – I’m not able to make calls right now or I would. Boss is hanging around my desk a lot today.
Butters – I’m so sorry – but I’m sure you will have better luck next month! We’ll keep praying!
MB, you can go on adamandeve.com and purchase swing for like 160… lol
mb- LET ME CLARIFY ITS NOT REALLY THE STANDING ON YOUR HEAD THAT WORKS IMO… ITS MORE THE POSITIONING OF THE PLANK…
the way a person makes a “deposit” into ones account is the key and secret..
NO MB! Stand on your head AFTER sex…. keeps the “stuff” there longer. Helps them with their swimming abilities….supposedly…. may be an old wives tale but hey, it’s worth a try….even if it only provides the rest of us a chuckle thinking of butters getting up after sex and standing on her head in a corner of the bedroom!
Beth,
Really my best advice is to explain to whoever you reach exactly what we are seeing and our wish to help…anyone with a heart should help you from there on their own… these people are professionals in law and enforcement, perhaps they will have great suggestions for us.
And above all…invite them to the blog
tee hee.. ahem… i have a 4 year old to prove and validate this theory
I am glad spacely is just skimming on by us and still talking about something else
bmore how would you know this? about the adama and eve swing.. tee hee
lmao
Butters – don’t stand on your head “during”, you stand on your head “after”. Or lay down and put your ankles over your head “after”.
I wouldn’t have posted this, except, I don’t want you to break your back – ha.
AND, I hope all of this isn’t stressing you out too much. Caylee, Haleigh, Sandra, Emma. I hope you are able to relax and “smell the roses”.
CAPY- LMAO
did you read what i wrote about the flu this guy said last night that this is really a mild case of flu so far in U.S. and that he expects it to dwindle soon, and that over the summer it will start leaving..
that was reassuring
Pammy……Oooohhhhh o.k. Positioning of the ‘plank’!! Gotcha…..
Tho I still like the idea of (she) standing on the head and (he) bouncing with a bungie!!
mb- the bungie i would have to see lmao
doesnt sound comfortable, lol more like painful… lmao
lmao.. like i said i got a 4 year old and well.. end of story lmao….
lmao
wow you guys
hahahaa
ok i’m goin out to play on the monkey bars now.. when i get back i’m gonna read the doc dump.. ugh…
I know I’m kind of blushing too butters and I’m worried i’ll get kicked out if i keep on lmao
Ok called the Placer #916-408-6000 & was told it was the strangest call she’d ever had, she couldn’t verify yes or no if its a legit case #. I ended up giving her the web address & she said she’d pass it on to the powers that be. Atleast they have the web addy to investigate.
I’m just kidding around with you all. I know the ropes. Been around long enuf to have tried it all. (except head standing/bungie bouncing)
Yeah, I think with the conception of my son…after the deed was done…I think I threw my legs over my shoulders a few times to get those swimmers going down, down, down…gravity!
Looooong time ago!!!
Spacely…I read the article you posted about the Placer County judicial system. I agree it seems to add considerable credibility to the allegations by the mother.
The article was written in 2007 by Mandy Spring. To contact Ms. Spring, I had to register at the Associated Content site, which I did. I sent a legenthy e-mail to Ms. Spring asking her to review, both the web site for the girl and our own forum here at BNN. I asked her to e-mail me back with any input she could offer.
I hope to hear from her soon and will let all of you know
Okay – just read over the FBI test results – very depressing – The dirt in the trunk couldn’t be linked to the crime scene…. None of the dirt on 20+ pairs of shoes could be linked to the crime scene…. snake did not contain anything human in its stomach….. knife did not have same duct tape on it as found at crime scene …… there was something about a bullet but it was negative…. was Caylee shot? Maybe with Geo’s gun? Tests on all hair samples show NO drugs present in Caylee’s hair. Everything they provided is NEGATIVE so far. NO smoking gun, NOTHING that would prove Maggot guilty. This is VERY disappointing. So why the DP if this is all they got?
O.K. back to the subject!!
~mb~ – just tell Butters to drive out in the boonies and get in the back seat of her car!! I know there were a lot of Baby Chevies, Fords, Mecurys in my days
Spacely she was nice & wanted the web addy so the courthouse office will no doubt check it out & then know what to do from there??
Butters do it w/ your butt on a pillow!
LOL good lord people I know how to have sex
Capy..LOL…Yep, I remember! Lost my virginity in the back of a 64 chevy….at the Drive-In. Ended up marrying him too, so that makes it O.K…..right?? Married for 39 yrs. before he died!
we weren’t doubting that Butters… we were just trying to make it more fun for you… lol
LOL
Well I do have a son so I did something right hahaha.
I know you guys are trying to help its funny to me LOL
Doubt the bungee deal with happen though lmao
I know but I always miss out on the dirty talk so I had to add something
The doc dump sucks, I wanted to see M circling the lot!
lol aww Beth it was good input
I just think we will scare the guys away if we havn’t already..
I am looking more into the doc dump and see if theres anything with lab tests like they claim.
BBL…Nappy time for me!
I just got off the phone with Susan at the number Spacely gave us. It is a real case. It is a sequestered case, which means it is a private case. She gave me a number to contact for legail advice. I’m going to try to get Connie online!
~mb~ How funny!!! me too. Chevy Super Sport Impala.
What movie DIDN’T you see?
Don’t worry, wasn’t same guy – he is my ex now and he is still alive.
Butter’s husband is personally going to kick our butts if we don’t stop giving her hints. Poor guy – heh heh.
What the heck, we gotta have a little humor around here.
Karen CCC…..You have posted the name of the father as Dustin David Thompson. I was in the saveaaliyah web site just now in the About Us section. There are several posts allegedly from the mother regarding this situation. I noticed the following…………………….
June 1, 2008
At Raley’s at 4:30, Darrel and I met (The pedophile)
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In other places as well, she refers to her ex as Darrel not Dustin or David. Do you have any thoughts or explanation for this inconsistency in the story ??
KarenCCC – I really do care about your worthy cause. I can’t really help. I care for my mom and I get paged a lot for her wants and needs.
God Bless You.
Butters FBI evidence is 2nd from the bottom on wftv, I’m reading now.
Karen how did you get her to verify the case #, she told me she couldn’t say yes or no??
Still not saying if M’s fingerprints on tape but listed no L G or C prints.
Hey everyone. Myfoxorlando has the fbi docs up but they are kinda blurry! I have to say I’m getting a little frustrated! No soil match, no fingerprints, no tape adhesive, and no drugs in the hair! We need a bombshell! Now all the stupid defense lawyers are gonna sit on hln tonight and say no circumstancial evidense. blah, blah, blah! Well, I guess we can still hope for something in the bone marrow.
Butters, did you just stop taking birth control? With both my girls i was a week or two late right after stoping the pill took test and got negatives started my period! But with both of them the second month of being off i got prego!
but there are fibers on the tape so maybe some off what M was wearing??
Stopped taking bc like 3 months ago.. SO we’ll see.. if I do not get my period soon I can try to test again in a week
I called the Juvenille court, I spoke with Susan. I asked her if I could verify a court #, she asked for the number. She couldn’t find it at first, she said that they are entered in the system differently because it is sequestered. She found it and asked me if I was Connie. I told her I wasn’t and I explaied where I was from and what I was doing. She then asked me if I knew “his” name, I told her and she said “Ok, that’s it, that’s the right one”. She gave me a number to call for legal advice.
KarenCCC said,
in May 1st, 2009 at 10:52 am
m2c, that is my worst fear! I said that on another site….Baez is trying to make it look like the body wasn’t there, and that C was in jail when it was placed there. I litterly HATE defense lawyers!
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That doesn’t bother me ONE bit…that only means she had help moving the body from the original dumping grounds to the woods! It only means someone else knows what happened and helped maggot out! Does not change the facts that indicted her. She was indicted on facts even before the body was found! If the body was NOT there in August then we not only have a MURDERER WAITING TRIAL but an accomplice on the loose!
Perhaps Beth…but I am just thinking she probably put lots of pressure on that tape to wrap it around Caylee’s head…ugh hurts my heart to even think of it ..but I would think they do not even say M prints at all just no detection of prints from L,C and G!
Maybe she did what I have done pulled out the roll of tape and stuck it to her leg on her pants or something to hold it and then cut it?
Said sticky residue on knife but nothing that matches the duct tape.
Butters…are we waiting on that hubby of yours AGAIN?
Papa, if you read it differently, it states, “Darrel and I went to meet (pedophile)” She won’t use his name, so that’s what she calls him. I don’t know who Darrel is. But I DO know the case is real.
Anyone see where they could of possibly tested Caylee’s hair or bone marrow for traces of the pool chemicals or pesticide traces? Or Bone marrow testing for drugs?
Cuz I do not and if thats the case it does not mean she didn’t even drug Caylee… she very well could have.
C~A I got another negative.. damn my uterus! lol
Afternoon ya’ll. I think Darrel is her friend. He has a post at the bottom.
Its been a while since I’ve been on cause I’ve been out of town for work. Its good to be back.
Its a long shot w/ being in water that long to have any of her clothing fibers. If she didn’t drug her then she, sorry to say, probably suffocated her w/ a pillow & she was duct taped to not hear her scream, maybe those fibers will match a pillow they took. Regardless M did it & she’s not going to walk, the state has something to put the DP back in play so I’m not worried. Would be nice to have had a print on the tape though.
This Doc Dump is Downright Depressing! What was the big hold-up in releasing any of this stuff. NONE of it is a smoking gun or even remotely helpful in the case best I can tell. I do hope LE is holding back on us because if not, I’m going to be a little nervous about their case.
Butters…we can’t control mother nature…God knows what he is doing….your baby has chosen you and has dibs on you..which is why you can’t just have any little soul ! When YOUR little ones soul is permitted through the golden gates…IT WILL BE TIME !
Devan, where is that post? On the website?
Jules – I peek at the news sights but come here for the sorted version! If nobody is freakin out in here I don’t bother going back to the news…I am NOT impressed by the lack of smoke and fire in here and am getting worried myself!
Papa – does appear the case is real. We’ve also proven the court system in Placer Co is jacked up. I wish Connie would come on this blog and answer some of our questions so we could settle all of this once and for all and then get her the help she needs!
Karen – can you get Connie to come onto this blog?
CA, that’s cute! I must really be popular with litte souls then….I get pregnant even with BC lol
I took it that it was a real case # because she didn’t ask for it twice or take a long time looking it up, but when I asked if she could verify it she said she couldn’t say either way. Do we know what the case is though, a divorce, child support, custody? They have the website to see the video, which was a concern, & said they will investigate it.
Jules, I am trying desperately. I don’t think she’s been online yet today. She usually emails me right away. I’ve sent her three emails so far. I wonder if she has her own computer,or if she has to go to someones house. Did you see I called and verified the case and the names?
Jules10:11 I love it!!put so perfectly,that’s exactly how I feel,but couldn’t put it into your words..BRAVO LOLOLOLHAHAHAThis DARK comedy is just beginning
lol C~A, Jules freaked about the bag.
C~A – All I can do is HOPE that LE is holding out on us. Maybe they are only releasing the FBI test results that were negative and withholding the ones that were positive. I’m hoping anyway. Everything I’ve read today has been pointless dribble and negative test results. Whoopie. Why even post that stuff?
I’m HOPING they are saving the SHAM POW SMACKDOWN for Bozo closer to the trial date! But that may be just wishful thinking!
Beth, all I can say is what she told me.
I was really hoping there would be something good in this dump due to the death penality going back on the table. But hopefully there will be some more fbi evidence coming out soon.
Well what I have in common with the doc dump : Negative results
I am seriously laughing right now hahaha. I have hope to have another baby and all just trying to relax so period comes soon if I indeed aint preggo
I did notice over at Orlando Sentinel there were some pages blocked out for release..?
Beth – lol – WELL!? Have you ever seen so much pointless arguing about a bag in all your life? I was ready for a smoking gun and instead I got…. “Did you pick up a bag?” “What bag” “Any Bag” “There wasn’t a bag” “There was a bag” “Oh, that bag” “which bag?” “THE bag” “Where did you find the bag?” “What Bag” “The Bag” “You mean the bag with grass clippings” “no, the other bag” “which bag?” “The OTHER bag” “there wasn’t another bag” “Yes there was another bag but you didn’t search the bag” “Yes I did search the bag” “But you said there wasn’t a bag” “There was too a bag” “So where is the bag” “What bag” “THE bag!” 21 PAGES of the bag questions that never get answered! UGH!
Karen I don’t doubt you, its good that they have the info now even if I didn’t get any info out of her.
I just received the following e-mail from Mandy
Spring, who was the author of the article posted by Spacely. If any of you haven’t read it yet, I urge you to take the time to do so.
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Another Source, Manda Spring, has sent you the following message on Associated Content:
Dear
I believe that this is very serious! Anytime a child acts out in this manner it is a serious matter. I would strongly urge this mother to talk to the D.A instead of going through family court. Have the state launch the investigation, press charges against him, etc. Simply having her go through the court “process” will only create a bigger headache and likely turn into a nightmare for the child.
This particular court system is widely known for sucking all monetary resources from parents involved throughout the child’s minor life. So, there will probably be no end to this in sight. They keep both parties constantly in the loop with each other despite what is best for the child(ren) involved.
So, in my opinion, since these are some serious accusations, the best bet is to get out of the loop (more like, the vicious cycle) and go straight to people that can help. If the Placer County D.A. can not help I would go to the state level… immediately!
I hope this helps.
~Manda
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If you haven’t read the article Posted by Spacely yet, once again the link is…………
associatedcontent.com/article/43819/placer_county_judicial_system.html?cat=17
This is gaining credibility by the minute as far as I’m concerned.
lol Jules I couldn’t read the transcripts it was boooring…Oh there was a snack…..oh it was a big snake… it was a rattle snake….scared me…..and kronk was 15 ft from it…..threw it in the back of my truck…..what about the snake…yes the snake was there..
Okay if I have to hear ANY more about the bag or the damn snake I woulda pulled my hair out lol.
ROFL Jules, don’t stop at Walmart after work, you won’t be able to handle the bags.
Papa – I’m with ya – looking legit. Can you ask Manda if she would be willing to write about this case and get it “out there”? Just an idea!
Karen – Have you heard from Connie? Can you get her on the blog? Are you giving her the advice we’re getting like contacting the DA’s office?
Karen its here: saveaaliyah.com/about_us
What if we email the link to attys in Placer county, maybe one will pick it up?? Wouldn’t they be in a better position to file an emergency protection order or whatever is needed? What about CPS, emailing it to them?
Beth / Butters – this was by far the most disappointing doc dump we’ve had yet. All this time waiting, especially after they put the DP back out there and this is all we get? Bags and snakes? Negative FBI Lab Results? Whopty Doopty! Where’s the BEEF? I need something I can sink my teeth into! Sorry LE – this isn’t it! This is GARBAGE so they can go take their doc dump and put it in a garbage BAG where it belongs!
Jules, She hasn’t responded….I don’t think she’s been on line yet. I have copied and pasted everything of value to her. I do want to say that if that video gets to the judge without her legally addressing it into the court she is going to be in trouble. Please don’t tell the courts about the video….
Beth, I tried that, very few had emails and the ones I did email never responded to me.
I’ll be right back
Karen I gave the court the video address, why will it get her trouble?
So is it real or not?
Karen – why hasn’t she admitted it into evidence to the court? She can do that can’t she? When she goes to court? Don’t need an attorney for that do you? She’s been to court since June of 2008 so why didn’t she give it to the judge? She said she tried to show it to LE and others but no one would watch it. They’re watching it now! Roseville PD was checking into it. Placer Co is checking into it. It’s out there now. She shouldn’t get in trouble. It is the husband that should get in trouble!
I mean if its gaining credibility is it real?
bbiab…. brought a brown BAG lunch but can’t bring myself to eat it!
Gotta go find food that is NOT in a bag!
She cant get into trouble for concerned citizens turning it into the courts.
Jules in reality though the only thing we could get besides prints on the tape or equal to it is a video of her doing the deed, we’ve already had the meat of the matter imo, she did it & the rest is ruffles on the curtains.
How is she going to get into trouble…we are just concerned citizens doing this.
Papa are you round here?
Ok, guys, I have said this many times. She has tried to get it into court. SHE DOESN’T have a lawyer. According to what she has said, she does need one to do so. The police have seen it four times and have done nothing about it. I agree with you that the husband should be in trouble, but because she has a gag order placed on her, she is going to get in trouble if his lawyer can prove she is the one sending it out. Also, the judge was the boyfriend of his lawyers girlfriend or some shit like that…I’ve read so much I can’t keep it straight anymore. I asked Jan to send you the emails I received from her, did she?
So whats up in the doc dump? Anything good?
To everyone researching the video case: Great job so far!!
But let’s step back for a moment and review what we learned.
We have the father’s name (I agree that Darrel is a friend or bf of the mother), the mother’s name, a real court case (which I believe to be a child custody/support case), and a story about a corrupt judicial system in Placer County.
What do we still need to verify?
The authenticity of the video itself…is it the child from the court case?…has it been altered (we know it has because it has been run through a video editor to put the words in place, which opens up questions about the audio) to make it appear to be something it is not?…Is the mother simply vindictive against her ex?
Lots of questions left, so to prioritize it, I think we should focus as much as possible on the actual video…
…and here is how…
Connie should be able to provide us with the unedited, unaltered original video. A 27 minute video file is going to be huge – so emailing it is probably not practical…unfortunately, the only other way I know is to copy the source video onto a DVD or CD and mail it (possibly to Jan? Does BNN have a PO Box?)…
…Papa, perhaps your video friend has a better idea…or you or he has a PO Box Connie can mail to so that your friend can review for authenticity…
Ok, I know, this is going to take a while…so in the meantime…I suggest contact the sherrif’s office and the FBI in the area. We have already contacted the city police.
I dont know….I am…..well….ya
Thats how she took my call, a concerned citizen & she wanted the web addy for the video. Said it was the weirdest call she’d ever had & would pass the web addy on to where it needed to go.
Pickles, its a gun shoot the dadgum snake
Ya great JOB you guys…I alerted exploited and missing children
OK After some digging I found this in some comments left about this case:
The mother has been offered FREE assistance for Aaliyah which would normally cost about $50,000.00 for all the time this man is willing to spend. YET she refuses even though he showed her that he is a child sexual abuse specialist. WHY refuse?
She asked him for money instead to help her ’cause’. MONEY. Why does Connie want money instead of the best people in the USA to help her child? WHY?
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If this is true I would like to know an answer to this also. If she is asking for money and NOT help I think there is something fishy with all this
Shoot the snake!!
Here is a child abuse prevention center in Place County, CA:
KidsFirst
7311 Galilee Road, Suite 105
Roseville, CA 95678
916/772-2272
kidsfirst@kidsfirstnow.org
See thats what im saying she dont want help she wants donations.
Jan, there are other comments I have found that seem to be by someone with a personal stake in this case and they are adamantly against the mother…I don’t know what to make of it…they could be legit…or they too could be making up stuff to make her look bad…
But it would really help if Connie would get around to contacting you…
I called the Placer courthouse, they’ll look at the video atleast.
Spacely she could bust the recording into 2 or 3 parts for smaller files??
I say we get the email for attys & CPS & start emailing the video to them. Surely an atty would take this case if she sent her story & the video w/ her info to one??
Beth DO IT
Thanks Jan!
I don’t understand this “big”doc dump..skull pictures??creepy sayings??what does all this sh-t prove???who cares what she kept in a scrapebook??SHE DIDN’T REPORT HER BABY MISSING FOR 31DAYS!!!what more do they need to prove??
I did hear from her but she is not much help with proof. She asked me if we could post her website on BNN but I am not going to do that until I can prove this is legit.
Another thing bothering me is I read somewhere that said she only sees her daughter 2 times a week and that is for an hour each time and with supervision only. OK if that is the case how did she have the time to make this video? Am I missing something here?
Jan I think its a money scam.
Sorry to say it but I think its a scam I think that ppl are being duped by this….I think that this child is being exploited for monitary gain.
Any family lawyer would take this case for her…..she is no help cus she is a scammer.
She doesn’t want help Pickles, but I want to send to the video to the authorities to prosecute whoever is doing this if for $. Cuz you’re so right, exploiting a child is BS, it hinders the children who really need help. It doesn’t make any sense to be spending your time videoing & putting on the internet for donations instead of hiding or pleading w/ the law for help. Where does $ solve this problem??
Jan, the story is that back in June 2008 when the vid was made she had unsupervised visits and now she does not. One of the posters on the petition site seems to feel she was stalking the father, dragging the child along with her as she followed him from place to place, and was eventually forced to give up custody by the courts for false abuse allegations. But they do not offer any proof either.
Beth, the video can be cut, but you have to run it through an editor to do it. A skilled vid tech should be able to look at the unaltered vid file and tell us if it is authentic. Cutting is altering…so that would be bad…
ATTENTION:
First Papa with more then all due respect, my comments about having a formal education or experience is my opinion based on my personal history and my work in this area. It was by NO means meant as a put down. In case you missed it, the sentence which came across offensive was directed at and to LE. A call is made to LE and an officer responds. Often situatiions are worse after LE gets involved. The need to have specially trained police personel to go on rape and sex crimes in general is why I made the statement.
I understand your statement about having the knowledge as soon as you held the new baby. At that moment any good parent KNOWS, they will protect this child with their lives and woe be unto ANYBODY that hurts that child. I totally get that.
Please just consider it from another angle. I assume you have a leg, you were born with it. But if someone ask you how your leg feels when broken, unless you have suffered that kind of injury, how can you possibly describe the pain?
I can sit here and honestly tell you, I have comforted people and given advice to many. When that circumstance that I once was so knowledgeable about, became a reality to me personally, I have realized I had no idea how that person felt, I couldnt’ know. I don’t know you, I was never questioning anyones education level or your dedication to help children. It was nothing like that, I was venting about ignorance among LE in sexual abuse cases, and there are some very good people in LE but more often than not a victim is further victimized when the police are called.
Kronk didn’t get info from gf or any body..info can indirectly from KC’s mouth!!think about it,,Aug. Maggot was in jail..they(bozo)wanted the body found while she was jailed..he wanted KC to have an airtight alibi..Aug fell thru..Dec was perfect..now Ants in Calif..or NY..wherever,,doing a show,,Kc in jail…perfect alibi’s for everybody..coincidence?I think not!too perfect..
Jan check your mail
We need to find the father, this is reall pissing me off. What if that statement was from someone on the father’s side? A perfect freaking example of this is Kelsey Smith Briggs…..you guys need to read up on her freaking case. It’s he said she said crap. Mother’s family against Father’s family and vice/versa. That child ended up DEAD. Who the heck can we go to to just send the video and have them investigate both the father and the mother?
Is connie from OHIO?
No, California
Beth what I dont like is my son uses YOUTUBE for lego movies and he could access this vid at anytime and he can read its sick.
IS THE MOTHER CONNIE FROM OHIO?
She also told me the judge issued a restraining order on her personally releasing the photo’s or video to the media or online. The word personally is the key to that. She claims so her friends and family are doing it. If that is the case then why is it so hard to get information out of this. Who are the friends and family? If they can do it just not her then how come they can’t get any help. She even said this is against her civil rigths so she should fight it. Seriously something doesn’t smell right here.
NO! I said she is from CALIFORNIA!
Okie doke I seen Ohio somewhere and got confused.
Thank YOU Karen MY refresh is SLOW.
Karen,
I posted the number for the FBI above…I still suggest you call them…they will be concerned…
But I have to admit that Connie does not seem to be involved in helping us help her…I will also admit it has been less than a day, but she needs to respond with information to Jan…
I know it dont smell right.
Spacely..if she was accused of false allegations of child abuse,why is this video still on for the publc to see??isn’t this proving the mother, than,is exploiting the child??either way this baby is in trouble!either dad or mom is messed up and she should be put into foster care>>where she’ll be safe
Ok, I’m calling the FBI, thanks guys. I didn’t mean to snap at you Pickles, it just seems sometimes people are posting before reading. Sorry.
Jan forgive me I am scrolling and just saw your comments, so if this has already been asked forgive me. I will learn about it later. How do you know the info about $50,000.00 is a real offer. I meam how do you know this is not a rumor started by the father. Men who like having sex with children know all the tricks.
It has been said that she may just be trying to get out of paying the child support. Well if that is the case, an attorney of that magnitude could certainly accomplish that for her. I am VERY skeptical about this offer made to the mother. If its about the money, he could help her with that. It would curl your hair to know some of the things these child abusers pull. As so many questioned this case being real at all, I guestion that such an offer was made. I DO NOT FOR ONE SECOND QUESTION YOU JAN, PLEASE KNOW THAT.
Picks I agree & if your child were being abused by an ex would you post it on utube? Would you want it out there or would you privately be seeking help or hiding?? It doesn’t make sense, if the video is a year old how has it gone on this long?
Did I read somewhere the mother fled to somewhere … other than Canada then came back? I thought I did.
That recording of the baby sounded real …and uncoached too. The person didn’t seem to be “leading her”. WHO is that baby then? Is she alive?
Must go back to the other one and read, and now this one too.
Jan’s post said:
“OK After some digging I found this in some comments left about this case:
The mother has been offered FREE assistance for Aaliyah which would normally cost about $50,000.00 for all the time this man is willing to spend. YET she refuses even though he showed her that he is a child sexual abuse specialist. WHY refuse?
She asked him for money instead to help her ’cause’. MONEY. Why does Connie want money instead of the best people in the USA to help her child? WHY?”
I’m not sending a DIME to this chick or doing one more thing to research this until Connie can address this. It sounds like she WAS offered help but only wants money which goes back to my original suspicions. I think we are stepping into a really ugly divorce/custody battle and we will NEVER know what is true. The fact that you NEVER see the child speak the words in the video is very concerning. Why was the video made that way if this is legit? Why would Connie turn down the help as noted above and only ask for money. This smells like a scam to me! What is she wanting the money for if she is turning awy FREE legal assistance? I think we are beating our heads against the wall for nothing. Great work Jan, Spacely, Beth, Papa and all who have been investigating this. But until Connie faces us here in this blog and can answer some questions, I think we are wasting our time….JMO.
I have the father’s name but when you look it up basically all you get is stories about the abuse
Beth this child is being exploited for monitary gain this Connie woman is a liar and I dont believe it for one minute this has gone on for a year…
Any child can access that video thru youtube its sick and wrong .
Pickles, there are litterally thousands of videos up of child abuse. THOUSANDS. Where do you think I found Caylee’s videos?
werd
JAN did those comments come from another site where messages are left and was the writer of the message Ann Clotter? I think she is personally involved with daddy, that is why I ask.
This is a mess.
Jan, please goto freekelseysmom.com and kelseyspurpose.com…..it’s the same freaking thing!
Anything good on the docket dump?? Anything useful
AnneA that is just it, we don’t know other than what was said. They claim the man that made the offer is a specialist and I am sure if she has the man’s name he could be checked out easy enough.
This was another comment after the first one I posted:
Connie please accept the FREE help for 2 separate specialists in sexual abuse to interview & spend time with Aaliyah. IF THIS IS TRUE then you have nothing to hide. Declining such a generous offer from out of your County, from professionals willing to help for free – does not look well for you. You are asking for help but refuse it?! A former college psychology professor of 25 years with vast child sexual abuse has told all involved he does NOT care about any of the parties here – but ONLY wants to be a voice for Aaliyah and you refuse his generous help & offer. WHY?
AnneA – I have also seen the name Ann Clotter associated with this case…
Terisa – We don’t know if the mother was accussed of anything…we don’t know anything…that is the problem…I see lots of unverified posts…but they could be from the other side…
But Jan is making excellent points…even if you believe the offer of legal help to be false…Connie has not contacted us or jumped on this blog…I do understand she is saying she has a gag order…but at this point, I think any of us would also welcome her personal representative, be that her relative or friend, but someone who personally knows her and the case so we can ask questions…
Im out you guys bbiab.
Get the man’s name Jan, please
Karen..we are just a bunch of bloggers..we care,sign petitions,discuss how to make things better..but you should probably go to someone(like spacely,provided FBI#)that can physically go to help in person…what is your relationship to this case??Do you know these ppl personally?seems like there are other avenues(LE)that could have intervened by now..keep us posted.
No, all I care about is this child. Now I want to know and speak to the father…..I am going to call the FBI when I get back from getting my daughter. I would like that man’s name tht offered her help so i can give them that information as well. I just want to know that child is SAFE.
AnneA – I don’t think it matters WHO said what at this point. Connie has yet to face us here on this blog to answer our questions. If she REALLY wanted assistance, I think she’d be jumping at the chance to talk to us; but she isn’t. We’ve looked up all these resources and provided her with tons of ideas for contacts but I betcha she hasn’t contacted one of them. You know why? She is wanting money and for her to exploit this child on that video makes HER the bad guy here. The video is very suspicious…. do you see the child speaking those words? No! Why not? Why was the video made that way? If she was trying to provide proof of this abuse, this “doctored” video is NOT the way to do it. I don’t think for a minute that if she contacted all of the people she said she has that they ALL turned her down. Attorney’s are CHOMPING AT THE BIT to get their hands on a case like this….money or not! There are PLENTY of free legal services available! I’ve checked into that too. If she REALLY wanted assistance there are a MILLION different resources. But instead she posts a website that asks only for monetary donations. For what? She can get legal services free! We’ve proven that. So what is the money for? There are TONS of agencies that provide services – volunteers such as yourself that could get involved. This is nothing more than an ugly divorce/custody battle and we’re getting drug into the middle of it with NO way to make heads or tails out of who is telling the truth. But I can CERTAINLY say I don’t believe Connie is telling the truth at this point. Too many inconsistencies and a VERY suspect video. I would NEVER post a video like that of my child and the more I think about it, the more angry I get because I KNOW there are resources for her WITHOUT exploiting this child on the internet! That was WRONG! Okay, I’m through ranting now. Keep in mind, this is all JMO – everyone is entitled to move forward with this case however they see fit. But you can tell Connie not to expect any money from me!
JAN just read another post about how she was able to make this video, I understand the video was made June 9, 2008 BEFORE father got full custody.
The judge has REFUSED to watch the video. This is NOT uncommon in cases like this.
Yo Picks check your mail.
Spacely..If a judge put a gag order on me I wouldn’t know I could have a friend blog for me..maybe Connie just dosen’t know..you’re brilliant, but alot of us don’t/can’t think on that level..
PICKS thanks as always, for taking the time from your busy life, and keeping these atrocities out there. SOMEONE MUST keep speaking for these poor little children!
I remember some discussion here, about what we would all do after Casey’s trial. Where would we all go? We weren’t sure … little did we know.
Our answer – nowhere! We have Haleigh, Sandra, Amber in CA, now little Emma. Looks like we are going nowhere! We will never lose each other … too much work to be done here. How sweet and innocent – we seemed to have been…
And thank you Jan and Simon as always, for making this place here for us. Sad – but a very necessary place!
No AnneA it isn’t from her. I don’t know who wrote this but it is on the Care2 site at:
http://www.care2.com/news/member/686359244/1130601
I am not sure who is right and who is wrong here but I just think a lot of this is a bit too much to swallow. I am sorry but until one of them can come to me and show me proof my hands are tied here.
Simon called a newspaper called Auburn Journal and still hasn’t heard back from them. I just find it so hard to believe that NO ONE wants to listen to this unless it is because they know it is a hoax. In this day and time especially with so much of this going on a report such as this doesn’t get ignored.
Karen,
We all believe in this kind of abuse and we all know it is going on…
But so does everyone else in the world, including those who wish to exploit those with generous hearts.
We are willing to help Connie and your efforts are greatly appreciated and we all admire you for them.
But at this point…Connie needs to make the next move and let us know this is for real and how we can help immediately other than monetary donations.
It also seems she has turned down help from other sites.
I think you have done absolutely everything you can in this situation. We will continue to assist you as much as we can, but I feel you should start asking some tough questions of Connie on your own and look into your own heart as to the truth of this story.
AnneA – We love your dedication and passion, too. But I don’t know what else we can do at this point…we have irons in the fire, but I think we are waiting for Connie at this point. Do you have any suggestions for us?
KARENCCC: If Connie will contact Jan through E-mail, Jan is not going to blab on this blog. Jan & Papa can work this and keep a lot of details close to the vest.
Why was the video made with night vision..why not sit in a park and question her??
Beth done and done
Yo people…what’s up in the world…how are all the bloggers on this fine a$$ day? I haven’t been here in a while…so catch me all up in 3 sentences or less…
Its bs why hasnt the child been questioned by CPS by professionals that speak to children? Like with JR in the Haleigh case?
Jules would you like paper or plastic
Hey Static, lousy doc dump, Cain is a lousy policeman & M did it.
Hmmmm maybe that’s what is going on here. Maybe Karen is Connie’s friend … or relative. Not a bad idea … have to get around this somehow if legit!!!! That is one way of getting around that “gag order”?
Seems the Courts favor women when Support is involved, I think.
But when it comes to sexual abuse, DO they FAVOR the men?
Read in today’s paper something I didn’t know exsisted. We talked about this before here. A man threw his 4 little children over a bridge into the water to die. He said he did that to torture his wife. Part of his death sentence from the Judge is that daily – photos of each of the 4 children be taken to his cell where he will be forced to look at them while awaiting death. GOOD! Maybe maggot too? Cocaine (drugs) were involved … as USUAL! Always is – it seems. Those poor poor babies – from age 3 to 4 months. Started with the youngest to torture the oldest I guess. He was a mature 3 year old. HOW EVIL some creatures are!
STATIC! ♥ We’ve missed you. Connie – Video of Aalyiah, very disturbing, lots of investigating followed by lots of conflict. Doc Dump for Maggot today – SUCKS – negative lab results for dirt on shoes linking to crime scene, knife, bullet, dirt in trunk and no drugs in Caylee’s hair. Rambling interviews with Cain on a bag he found, didn’t find, found, didn’t find, found, didn’t find, what bag, on and on. Absolutely NOTHING of value found in this doc dump thus far. The whole Huckafugg family looking pretty guilty – investigations into Pastor Lawless – charges of child abuse dating back to the ’80s’ – cousin arrested – investigating another church in WA state. Was that too many sentences or too cryptic to even understand
SPACELY Karen is picking her child up from school. When she gets back home, she is calling the FBI. I think this is the BEST thing that any of us can do at this point. Going to different websites isn’t verifying anything, except this has been being debated for a long time. The case is real but what do we believe. The FBI can’t be bought off or influenced by friends of either side. They will also be looking at this thru new eyes.
NO MATTER WHAT IS TRUE, THIS NEEDS TO END NOW.
Thanks Beth… I guess I haven’t missed much… So Beth…seriously…you think that KC did it? My goodness…I am being patient and waiting for Bozo to clear this all up for me. I am sitting back just waiting for the time I can say “I see…now I understand”
Terisa,
If the video is unaltered, my guess would be it was made with the lights out as the mother and aunt put the child to bed and as she was drifting to sleep, she was conversing with them in a stream-of-conciousness…in other words, she said everything that came into her mind.
This is an effective technique for learning what kid’s are thinking because they are not very articulate and we adults have trouble communicating to them and when a child is fully awake and speaking to a loved one, they are most likely going to say what they think the loved one wants to hear…a technique like this would allow you to almost hear the child thinking to herself…which to me is the most convincing part of the video…
However, she never actually states any kind of abuse…she does talk about Daddy’s worm, but that could be a reference to a child’s TV program she likes to watch with a worm as a character…or maybe the father even took her fishing…the possibilities are endless…
If my child started talking like this out of the blue, yes I would be concerned…but we just don’t know the whole story or if the vid was altered…
That is so sick Heart♥, good for the judge- I like the extras he added there.
Thank you for posting about the lemon in V8, it reminded me lemons are good for flushing bacteria, now Pammy can relax a little
BETH – I NO LONGER USE BAGS. CHIPS OR OTHER ITEMS NORMALLY CONTAINED IN A BAG WILL BE AVOIDED AT ALL COSTS! I WILL BE CARRYING MY GROCERIES TO THE CAR ONE CAN AT A TIME FROM NOW ON!
lol Static, remember to wear your sunglasses for that ah ha moment
Jan you are truly an angel and BNN is your voice
SPACELY IF SHE GETS ON THIS BLOG, SHE CAN LITERALLY GO TO JAIL. She is under a gag order and if she is caught violating the order, she can be locked up. Not to mention it gives Daddy more ammo to be used against her.
I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE FOLKS AND IT’S SAD. I can honestly tell you, I believe the video IS real, that child speaking has been sexually abused, of that I have no doubt.
I think the FBI is the best bet at this point. Assuming of course the judge don’t see the website and issue a warrant for her arrest.
Static!!!!!
Static,
Need some legal advice…
If you are the parent of a child you suspect is being sexually abused by your ex who has custody and the courts have shot you down for further custody hearings and the local police refuse to hear your story…where do you go??? What is the next step???
If the parent were to call the DA directly, would that do any good? Would it get an investigation started?
Do you know anything about child psychological examinations and how they affect a custody case?
Remind me not to go shopping with you Jules…
Jules
Fine then it may be real WE cant do nothing about it we are not authorities. They need to take this beyond a blog.
AnneA,
Even if she were to be arrested, once this is reported to the FBI, I am assuming they would continue to investigate until they has assured themselves the child was safe???
It seems to me that if she is posting a website with donation buttons, she has already assumed the risk of going to jail and talking to us won’t make much difference to that. And any of us that are going to help are going to contact LE…so that would lead back to her as well…
I accept that you have a great deal more knowledge than I do in this area…perhaps there is more to consider than what I am seeing???
Yeah Static – we want to report abuse – Spacely made us all picture him in a banana hammock and we think we’ve therefore been psychologically damaged and need to seek professional assistance and potentially file charges against Spacely!
LMAO Static, I’m not going w/ her either!
Jules ill go shopping with yOU!
OMG! I am not a friend of Connie’s if I was, I would say so! I am going to say this for the last time…..I WANT THAT CHILD SAFE! I am calling the FBI!
Exuse me Jules, that is a Bunch of Bananas Hammock…
Karen I think contacting the proper authorities is the best thing to do….I dont know how much more we can be of assistance in this whole mess…..
Static – to fully understand the “BAG” thing you REALLY need to go read the transcripts from Cain’s interview….or…you can enjoy my summary as follows:
“Did you pick up a bag?” “there wasn’t any bag” “There was a bag” “What bag?” “THE bag” “Oh that bag” “So did you pick up the bag?” “The bag of grass clippings” “no, the other bag” “which other bag?” “The bag” “There wasn’t a bag” “Yes there was, you said it contained grass clippings” “No, that bag was gone” “So how did the grass clippings get there without a bag” “I didn’t see a bag” “But you did pick up a bag” “Yeah, another bag” “Which bag was that?” “I don’t know, which bag were you referring to?” “THE bag” “I don’t know which bag that was” “It was THE bag” “I thought you meant the OTHER bag” “No, THE bag” “I didn’t touch THE bag” “I thought you said there wasn’t a bag” “I never said there wasn’t any bag”……. It is 21 glorious pages which should be entitled quite simply “WHAT A BAG OF SH!T” I now have a bag phobia and refuse to use them!
And I am not sure what got damaged…but we never called it a ‘psychological’ where I come from…although it did start with a ‘p’…
Spacely…I am not a lawyer so I can’t give out any legal advice…I have to say that. I just work for a DA’s office.
Now…what would I tell a friend if they were in this situation?
In our state…I would have my friend start with Child Protective Services…tell them of your suspicions and let them do an investigation…if they find something, 1) the report can be used in a petition of custody…and 2) it might lend support to the arguements with the local LE.
You always have a right as a citizen to speak with the DA’s office. They are elected officials and should have an open-door policy. Just make an appointment…don’t just walk in and expect the DA to talk to you.
The DA’s office, at least here has it’s own investigative branch and they can launch their own investigation and bring charges. That is up to the DA to decide if there is evidence to proceed with that action.
As for your last question…I have no idea what Child Psyche tests do for a custody case. The courts are looking out for the best interest of the child. If this ficticous friend I used before lost in a custody battle…there has to be a reason why…and I can see why the LE and others might be suspicious that the friend is now bringing up abuse claims… I can see how someone might use it as a last ditch effort to gain custody because it’s as difficult to prove as it is to disprove.
Thanks Pickles – I’m glad SOMEONE will go shopping with me…. Now, I’ll be needing you to help carry my groceries to the car!
How many other blogs is this story on? The vid and Connies plea? I seen it all over mom blogs. So is this like running at all the blogs to generate donations?
I like good manual labor Jules any day dear…Plus I was raised to always lend a hand! (not like that PERVERTS)
Here is the number for the Placer County Sheriff’s office – you should probably try them too:
Auburn Main office number (530) 889-7800
I think that by getting this on mutliple blog sites is a good way to up donations.
Ok listen guys, I sent an email telling connie I was going to the FBI, this is what she responded to me:
We want this to get to the FBI. We want this to get into the hands of someone that can help get Aaliyah out of his home to protect her. Sorry, I’ve been busy with an interview with the newspaper. I would appreciate it if the FBI did something about the corruption of Placer County. Please help if you can.
I asked her to call me, we’ll see what happens. If she wants this to go to the FBI, I am more than willing to do so. It seems to me she is terrified of her ex’s lawyer or she would have already contacted them.
AnneA…..I believe you have a heart of gold. I can see, no I can feel, the passion and pain from which you speak in every word of every post on this subject.
It is my opinion that this passion may blind you sometimes to the people here at this forum which are in fact working diligently to establish the credibility of this horrible allegation of child abuse. Aside from being new to all of is, there are many parts of this not adding up to the story being presented. We are simply trying to determine the genuineness of the situation. All members of this forum, from Jan all the way down to myself are torn apart by what is being alleged.
Just as child abuse is a real and horrible fact in our society, so are internet scams. This allegation not only involves the probability of money being requested. It brings to light the type of story that ruins lives.
I have thought about this more than I know how to tell you. I certainly have the option of flying my attorney and myself to Placer County, CA and to the state capital at Sacramento to press this situation, and that has certainly weighed on my mind to do exactly that. But what if this is a scam or act of revenge on the part of a jilted wife or lover ?? It certainly has happened before. I’m simply trying to gather all the facts before I do anything.
I understand her allegation of a corrupt county judicial system. That has been fairly well documented. But, why hasn’t the mother gone to the State Attorney General or the F.B.I. ?? It does not seem logical to me that with an attorney or without an attorney, a mother in this situation would make her voice heard at the state or federal level if the county level is corrupt. Maybe there’s an answer for this, but we don’t know it yet. I don’t want to hear about a gag order being the reason, because in a post yesterday @ 4:06 p,m, Karen CCC said the gag order was just placed 1 week ago prior to 4/27.
When I know all the facts, I will do what my heart demands that I do.
Is that the county its in Space?
LOL Spacely – thought we could use a little humor! Was starting to feel the veins in my temples were going to rupture! Kinda like when D _ K is here!
hell Jules just drive your car inside, you wouldn’t be the biggest freak in the world but you might make the news!
I am still laughing Jules…I loved the summary….
Pickles…not even a Hi Static? Geeze…I go away for a little while and you have forgetten all of the friendly feelings I imagined you had for me?
Pickles, that is actually my fear…that perhaps she contacts people who e-mail her even if they will not donate, but they post this for her on new blogs, which brings people to the main site, which brings donations…
Jules…can I stand at the door of the grocery store…and you at your car in the parking lot and toss the items out to you one at a time? I have a pretty good arm…
Spacely its obvious.
Static – Sounds like a plan. You and Pickles can meet me at Wal-Mart at about 5:15 today!
And Static – just for the record – my summary isn’t too far from being a direct quote from the interview! SERIOUSLY! It is THAT bad!
Papa, can you try to convince Connie to get on this site or just talk to her. Her email is:
pleasehelp@saveaaliyah.com
I’m still calling the FBI
I dont want my email involved in any of this.
I did though just send placer county a nice letter with the links to the video. and names and stuff of all going on and all of it.
Placer County is the county, Pickles.
Here is the contact info for the District Attorney:
Bradford R. Fenocchio
Placer County District Attorney
10810 Justice Center Drive Suite #240
Roseville, CA 95678
(916) 543-8000
(916) 543-2550 fax
placer.ca.gov/departments/da.aspx
e-mail is on the webpage…you might have to manually add the www
Papa, before you fly out there, might be worth calling this gentleman…
Well I would like to see the newspaper interview she’s doing, that would be a start.
JULES that was funny your bag summery.
Do KC now
Here is contact info for the official government programs in Placer County to deal with child abuse:
ACCESS – Crisis and Emergency Services for Children and Adults
If your life is in danger or you need to report an emergency situation, call 9-1-1.
A telephone call can bring help in a crisis. For at-risk children and/or adults in emergencies and crises situations, a special 24-hour, 7-day a week, response program is available by contacting the ACCESS office at one of the telephone numbers listed below.
ACCESS Office: (916) 787-8860
Adult Protective Services: (916) 787-8860
Children’s Protective Services: (916) 787-8860
Mental Health Services/Crisis Intervention: (916) 787-8860
Toll Free: (888) 886-5401
Spacely….I’m not going anywhere until I know this is for real.
How can someone with a gag order be doing a newspaper interview?!?!?!?!
Oh sure Jules, I offer you drive by aisle service but you take Static & Picks, see if I care
OMG I don’t have a clue what just happened. Sorry
I was just trying to ask about Connie’s newspaper interview. Can you do that with a gag order?
Spacely I didn’t figure we’d get to see it, thought I’d ask though.
Did they say there was no sticker on the bag?
Beth – I’m actually waiting for Wal-Mart to offer delivery service – heck, you can get your car lubed, your tires rotated, get your groceries, pet supplies, hobby supplies, open a bank account, get your taxes done, your nails done, your hair cut, pick up dinner and a movie, get your eyes examined, buy lawncare items, etc…. the only thing they don’t do…yet….is deliver!
Tori ssshh, no bag talk, Jules head just spun around at her desk, now her boss will think she’s possessed.
mb and Capy,
Loved those hot summer nights in high school! Hee Haw
I will join you in the back seat story. Not a drive in, though. A dirt road.
Pickles – “DO KC NOW” uhhhhh afraid I’ll have to pass on that one!
I’m not DOING KC and that is that… I’ll do a LOT of things for ya but NOT that!
What do you mean do KC?
If wrongdoing by the courts is what led to actual abuse to be ongoing, in my mind that is a crime…here is some contact info for the state govt internal watchdog group:
State Auditor Hotline
800-952-5665
The hotline enables state employees and the public to report improper acts committed by state agencies, departments, or employees, as defined by law such as:
Illegal acts such as theft, fraud, or conflicts of interest by state employees
Misuse or abuse of state property, including state vehicles, buildings, or equipment, or abuse of state time by state employees
Gross misconduct, incompetence, or inefficiency by state employees
I am not sure exactly how this fits, but I am betting a report will generate an investigation and documentation…
Thank YOU Spacely this is ridiculous to be honest. this should be taken to the authorities and I think its conveinent that “connie” cant talk about it. This is a scam ppl who want money this is all over the blogs everywhere this is a saturation scam for cash donations.
Beth,
LOL
Like you did the officer cain the bag statement….is all
OK OK OK I spent the morning on the phone. As I think many of you know, I am a rape crisis counselor and my husband is a Guardian Ad Litem. I used every contact I could come up with to see if I could get any info.
I just got a call back from one of the contacts that is in CA. NOT in that jusrisdiction. However she says she will see what she can find out.
Interestingly enough she says she THINKS she has heard of Judge Penny and if he is the one over this case, the mother is in deep do do.
IF he is the one on this case, he is notorious for taking the man’s side and his records will bear that out. Again she isn’t sure if he is the one she is thinking about, BUT she will see what she can learn and call me back with whatever she finds.
She also said if he is the judge over the case and he EVEN thinks a MOTHER has violated a court order, he will issie a warrant, she will NOT get any benefit of doubt.
Anyway I gave her my cell number and told her pretty much what is going on. She viewed the video while on the phone with me. She said if the case was in her district, the kid would be in protective custody before supper time.
She says she will make all inquires on the down low just in case all of this is real, she would NEVER want to cause the mom any additonal heartaches and risk her freedom. She to wants to know the truth. So we have another set of eyes looking at this. I am praying the judge is NOT the one she thinks it is, kind of scary if your reputation is that wide spread. I will let everyone know.
I am currently working a case of a 9 year old. I have to go meet with the mom today. However I have Karen’s phone number and I will call her with any news I get, if I get the call while I’m out. I know many of you really really are feeling this and I don’t want anybody suffering one second longer then necessary. If and when I know, you all will get an update. Thanks Anne
lol Jules since you lived in Tulsa maybe you heard of a little community south of there called Leonard, I lived there for 30+ years. Can you imagine what the UPS guy thought when he brought groceries from netgrocer.com out to the boonies, I was tickled sh!tless when I found that site.
Also not quite connected, but there is a spouse and abuse and the opportunity to get another official report into the state – I would think even if they don’t handle this, they would turn it over to the right people:
Department of Justice
Spousal Abuser Prosecution Program
1300 I Street, Room 1020
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 324-5459
Fax: (916) 323-5534
Thanks Tori – I’m now levitating, my head is spinning, I’m spewing pea green soup and an exorcism may be required!
Do not say BAG around me right now!
The TV Guy said something really funny. They could figure out how the snake died, but they still can’t come up with how Cayleee died.
Devans is bovine! How can you do an interview with a gag order
Im agree with Papa
I sent all this to the placer county DA I sent copies of posts from ppl I sent everything to them the link to the video everything names ect from this blog.
And one more:
Office of Victims Services
California Attorney General’s Office
P.O. Box 944255 Sacramento, CA 94244-2550
Phone Toll-free: (877) 433-9069
Beth – the poor UPS driver probably started hearing the music from Deliverance by the time he got to your house! ROFLMAO
Everything I included Connies name and darrels all of it all noted in that email.
I contacted the DA at the number Spacely gave. I left a loooonnggg message for him and told him I was also contacting the FBI. Hopefully we will have some answers soon, since Connie won’t come here.
Tori – That’s because there was a whole lot more left of the snake than there was of poor Caylee I think. Nothing but bones and hair. What a sad sad shame, isn’t it?
M2c
Hate to say this, but Bozo is probably ordering crab puffs tonight.
O I left a nice email for the DA
If by crab puffs you mean kc’s snatcher then yes he is ordering crab puffs tonite
Tori……That’s only because the snake’s murderer confessed.
Spacely said,
in May 1st, 2009 at 2:24 pm
How can someone with a gag order be doing a newspaper interview?!?!?!?!
Uh seriously!
Pickles,
You waffle. I personally am getting tired of hearing about this. (worm) Get proof that this isn’t some rip off and I will comment on it. I need a cig. bbl
Tori DITTO!
THIS IS A SATURATION SCAM…saturate the net with it to ring in a few bucks.
Tori you wan me to make waffles
Wahrs mah Papa?
The Guardian Angel guy is on Jane VM all the time…here is the webpage where you can send them an e-mail…they have resources outside of law enforcement…
guardianangels.org/contact.php
Might have to manually put the www on front…
Tori & Pickles – DITTO!
Tori, remember when the DP was first put on the table, Bozo got the DP defense expert lawyer, Lemanon (sp?) in on it. At some point the state was asked something along the lines of “on what basis” is the DP appropriate? I don’t think the state answered and in fact withdrew the DP then. So I wonder if that’s going to happen this time? As much as I’d like to see the DP for maggot, I’m afraid that having it opens up a whole different can of (oh dear, I don’t even want to say the word) worms that seems to me to NOT be beneficial to the state. But I guess we have to hope that the state knows what it’s doing.
Oh, BTW, TOri – I hope Bozo chokes on his crabcakes. LOL!
“on what basis” is the DP appropriate?
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I think the best base for DP is probably a couch…but a table may be usable…it’s the positioning that is tricky…
As much as I’d like to see the DP for maggot, I’m afraid…
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That thought of that scares me too…I thought the twizzler was bad enough…and the burrito…
m2c,
I hope so too, but today I got a sinking feeling.
Papa,
The snake was a vehicular homicide!
Deviant Roques ARGHHHHHH
La de da de we likes em hottie we cause lots of trouble and we botha everybody
Thug life b*tches.
LOL, Spacely! But seriously do you remember what I’m trying to say? The defense kind of challenged the state to show cause (or whatever the proper language is). I wonder if the defense will do that now in light of this new “lack of” solid evidence?
Or maybe there is much more evidence we (and maybe the defense) don’t know about yet.
…and in fact withdrew the DP then…
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I keep waiting to see this line in a story about Ron and Misty and White Boy Page…
m2c,
I think Spacely was referring to the position Butters should be taking.
Okay, I am not the hippest person on this blog that’s for sure and I KNOW I’m missing something Spacely. Sorry.
I think there is way more we haven’t had access to yet, M2C.
Excuse me but I would just like to say to all who are worried about this. It is either true or it isn’t. I would hate like hell to know if its true, and this mother is being railroaded, that our actions caused her or the child a single problem. The FBI will be getting involved and either way we are going to find out the truth.
If it’s a scam for money, it hasn’t worked. It has not cost me a cent yet. I won’t send money unless I KNOW she is being honest. I know some of you may think I am a fool, but I have seen first hand how this happens and I can tell you now, EVERY question that has been asked has a plausible explaination.
You all can do what you want BUT what is wrong with letting the FBI handle this. If this judge is wrong or bad or just uncaring, why, God why would we risk giving him ammo to be used against a woman trying to save her daugher.
IF this story is a scam, I will lead the pack trying to get the woman prosecuted for her actions. I mean to the FULLEST extent the law allows. Somebody said what is another few days going to hurt if its true, I agree with that, but JUST IN CASE on the chance its real, I don’t want to make any moves. DO NO HARM.
AnnaA we are trying to get it to the FBI’s hands we cannot take care of this this is out of our league this is above and beyond us this needs to go to the authorities and that is what we are suggesting.
This has been online for a year almost
Thank you, Tori!
And thank you, Spacely. I needed a little extra dash of hope today.
And as far as that last sentence (re Ron, Misty and White Boy, I’ll bet there have been a lot of opportunities to use it but (thankfully) we have not been there at the time! LOL!
Whats up with the doc dump anyhow I havent seen any of it with this other crap anything good?
This one is for my precious wittle Pickles…..
“So Ms. Anthony, where is the Nanny?” “What Nanny?” “Your Nanny” “You mean Zanny?” Yes, Zanny the Nanny” “I haven’t seen the Nanny” “Has anyone seen the Nanny?” “What Nanny?” “Zanny the Nanny” “Oh that Nanny” “So has anyone else EVER seen Zanny” “I’ve seen the Nanny” “But has anyone else seen the nanny?” “You mean Zanny?” “Yes, Zanny the Nanny” “Caylee has seen the Nanny” “Anyone other than Caylee ever seen the Nanny?” “I’ve seen the Nanny?” “I mean anyone other than you or Caylee ever see the Nanny?” “Which Nanny?” “Zanny!” “You mean Zanny the Nanny” “Yes, Zanny the Nanny!” “What about Zanny?” “Has anyone ever SEEN Zanny?” “Her sister and kids have seen Zanny” “Anyone OTHER than people we can’t find ever seen her?” “Seen who?” “THE NANNY!” “You mean Zanny?” “YES ZANNY!” “What about Zanny” “HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN ZANNY?” “I already told you, I’ve seen her, Caylee has seen her, her sister and kids have seen her, we’ve ALL seen Zanny!” “I need ACTUAL witnesses that have seen Zanny” “These are actual witnesses that have seen Zanny” “Right and I’ll be calling Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy as witnesses too!” “See, they’ve seen Zanny too! I told you I was innocent!”
This has been online for a year almost
yep and why is this just coming around now?
Papa,
Can you go to Snopes and forward the video to them. I don’t know how.
hahahaha hopefully they have answers soon before POPA flys out there OHHH they are all changing their stories now Paps I Listened Intently at this video & watched this video
there were two woman with this child,
one woman darted across bare legs which Is all I can see maybe she was naked…
the child Aaliyah & auntie & Connie Bedwell seemed to be all in the same bed,
well I’m not a physcologist but I know Damn well its a set up,
ok they videoed audioed the child talking about what appeared her daddy was doing something bad … ( “remember my dad?)she says,
and I will not quote the rest, it makes me sick Immediately the Video should have been taken to Police the child in protective custody , the Video should be in the hands of experts analyzing it yes she may have been setting a trap for her ex but she could have done that in private not spash it all over the world ON YOUTUBE I think you tube is good for entertainment but keep SEX off youtube ..
PICKLES I know and I am in full agreement. The point I am trying to make is this. If Mom’s claims are true at all, involving local authorities is like handing the child over to the abuser. We, at this point, have all made enough fuss to shine a light on this. We need to give people time to get back to us, and do their jobs. I think more then one of us is waiting for info to come back.
Karen the last number you should have on your caller ID is my cell number. I have it with me. If anything concrete breaks in here please call me on my cell. Thanks
I had to leave a message with an FBI agent, the lady that connected me to the agent said that they will contact me asap. I will let you know what happens.
JULES AHAHAHAHA…..LOVE IT!
Karen I have both your numbers with me so if and when I get anything I will call you and you can pass it on to everyone in here who wants to know.
Nana, the baby was on the floor, the two women were on a bed.
Thanks AnneA, I will call you if I have anything too!
Devans NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN…its a scam. It needs to go beyond us to the authorities and I think we just accomplished that now. So any juice in the doc dump?
AnneA,
I have to refuse to believe that contacting the local authorities is the wrong thing to do…the entire govt of Placer County and the city cannot be entirely filled with people who want to allow child abuse to continue…perhaps there is a bad judge…perhaps there is a bad cop…perhaps more than one…but not all of them.
And I have made sure to include numbers and contacts for all levels of govt and agencies outside the govt.
But to try to avoid the local authorities will only slow down the investigation…the first thing the FBI is going to do is call the local authorities…a few days ago, they would have said they have no idea what the FBI is talking about…today Dee Dee can tell them they are getting a lot of calls…so the ball is rolling…
I think the correct first step was to call the local authorities…if they do not step up to the plate, the state and feds will be in right behind them…
I went to the petition site and in the intro paragraph one sentence reads: “…if you can help or know someone who can help visit “Save Aaliyah” and contact the mother.” The place to visit was highlighted so you could click on it and go there. I did but instead found myself at a page by the petition host (CARE2) that said that site had moved.
Jules,
there you go again
I didnt avoid the local LE there in Placer County I sent them the video I sent them connies name I sent them posts from this blog I sent them names from this blog I sent them it all.
THIS WORM THING HAS BEEN ON LINE A YEAR!!
What the hey!!
She won’t talk to Jan in private because of gag order, but she will do a newspaper interview
If I have learned anything from M and Misty, it is to keep my stories straight!!
,how do you know that? from what I could see she was in a bed saying she was cold.
any way I think it is a scam for money
on News tonight a man was sentenced for leaving his child out doors in the sun with out sunscreen on his/her little body
& so call Connie cant get the Law after her Ex ??? come-on
Pickles, you said, “It needs to go beyond us to the authorities and I think we just accomplished that now.” So RIGHT!
And the last thing I’m going to say on the subject until we know for sure one way or the other is that if this is a hoax for any reason it will have done incredible harm to others who are or in the future will be truly in need of help.
Yes the worm has been online almost a year…Capy its bovine…saturation scams. No bueno aint buying it aint discussing it no more unless Jan herself shows me true to life proof its legit I am bowing out of this one my friends! Love you but I am done with it!
SPACELY again you are right, I hope with all the calls made, enough people are aware, this CAN’T be covered up if indeed it ever has been.
Karen and I both just want the truth!!! We are only concerned about this little girl. No fighting or discontent, I swear just really care if this is happening to this little girl.
I am out of here, Karen I have my cell.
Back to Casey for a min. What is the name of Padilla’s girl that was in the house? I want to read her doc.
You are so right m2c!
Jules 2:56 – Oh, I’m sorry!! I HAVE seen Zanny, I thought someone asked me if I had seen Zenny.
Yeah, I have her addresss, phone number and I talk to her dog all the time.
Pickles,
Me too. For 2 days this has ballooned out of control. AnneA and Karen, fly to CA and find out the truth.
AnneA, when you get back on and see this, just call me. I’m out of here.
Tori…
Tori I forgot that was to be in the docs, her name is Tracy & its not there, along w/ the videos they talked about.
Back to docs we live for docs!
Beth,
I thought it was supposed to be, too. Thank you for telling me. I am getting a bit sick of this worm conversation. Wake me when it’s over!
Tori, I can’t remember her name but I have ruled her out of the docs that are showing on wftv.com so far. She’s not included there.
I tried to look at docs on OrlandoSentinel.com but they’re unidentified bunches of them. Very time consuming to go thru. (unless something was wrong with the page when I looked there)
The worm is over it has been taken to the “FBI” its done now. Hopefully
m2c,
Beth said her name is Tracy, but we can’t find it.
lol Tori, I’ve slept thru a good portion of it, maybe its over, what a rush, felt like a kmart blue light special.
I pray its done..for real that stuff has been online for almost a year.
M2C – just avoid the Cain interview at all costs or you’ll end up with a Bag Phobia like me!
I’m over the worm controversy too. Until something is proven to be legit…I’m over it. We’ve contacted the authorities and located TONS of resources, all of which could have been done by Connie. Putting that baby on the internet/YouTube is CRIMINAL!
I can’t find it either. It was pretty hush hush at the time and I was kind of surprised to see that it was supposed to be included in this release.
Do you remember that she wanted immunity before talking with LE? Or so Padilla said at the time. I’ve been very curious ever since.
CLARIFICATION: I’m over the worm controversy unless it’s Johnny’s worm! Then you can count me in!
MTC – I went over to WFTV and it is a lot of stuff to wade through. Don’t think there is anything earth-shattering. Lab reports that were released don’t reveal anything. They didn’t test for chloroform, because decomposition can create chloroform.
Hope there are more docs coming.
CRAP, I’m worn out. If something good comes along, I may not even be able to concentrate.
Pickles & Tori
Thanks Pickles its good to be back. Looks like I’ve missed a lot.
Ok, Jules – get your dooling pistols ready — ten paces, turn FIRE. I’ll fight for Johnny!
Actually, I don’t think it has been online for a year…
The video is reportedly made a year ago…
…but it was posted to YouTube the same day as Connie’s court date in March 2009…the exact same day…
I think there was a court proceeding scheduled for that day and Connie was upset about the possible outcome and so she set up a plan to put in motion if the verdict was against her.
Devans you missed the best its been in awhile….LMAO not this scammin azz worm garbage but just a riot..dont ask me I cant talk bout it in blog can I have Jan forward you my snail mail?
Can we get back on our pirate ship now? And can we please have a little monkey (in a diaper) and a parrot? I will take my dramamine. I promise.
And if we find out ANY child is in danger we’ll sail in with cannons ablazing!
Hello everyone. While this is my first time to post on this blog, it is not my first visit to BNN. I’ve tried as often as possible to follow the cases that are discussed on this forum.
All of you seem to really care so much about the cases you discuss and often seem to take a personal stake (read “emotional”) in many aspects of them.
I understand that very much but what seems to impress me the most is that there are so many of you that don’t just “blog”. You actually get involved and try to do something via research, digging deeper than the surface on what is released or reported and above all trying to get to the truth of something instead of repeating things said as factual and demanding facts before passing it on to others.
I said all this because of the past two days of posts on little Aaliyah. I have diligently followed all the posts on this topic in this blog since Karen first mentioned this. I can see both sides of wanting to jump in to rescue this little girl with little or no questions asked because if true this is horrific what is going on and the other side of wanting verification before going full force in helping by whatever means that person is able to do so.
From my perspective, as far as the video goes, I’m no computer guru by any stretch of the imagination but I do know that it is not difficult and does not take very sophisitated software to dub in text that scrolls across the screen as it does in that video. Professional knowledge of video production is not required. I say that only to say that just because there is text inserted into the streaming video does not (in my mind) make me at all suspicious of the video. In my opinion, for whatever it’s worth, the text actually keeps people viewing it from wondering what the little girl is saying as the volume is not consistent and sometimes muffled but by seeing the words on the video you can make out what she is saying if you listen closely. From that, I take the opposite viewpoint that some have taken. To me, that tells me it is more of a home video. If professionally done, the videographer would not have had to dub in text because they would have made sure that the audio was consistent, audible, etc. Again, this is my opinion. Nothing more.
As far as the night vision video, that again does not send red flags up with me. About 6 years ago, I bought, as a Christmas gift, a camera for a good friendand it had infrared vision on it, with a still lense and video camera. The cost was not outrageous and with the price of electronics today I’m guessing it would be even cheaper today than when I purchased it then.
As far as why she hasn’t gotten the courts to view this or listen to her or CPS to do anything or LE to do anything – that article that Papa posted and his subsequent email from Mandy (I belive that was the reporters name that had written a prior article about that judicial system where this is all supposedly taking place) answers a lot of the questions I myself had on that very issue. I not only read that article he linked, I read the comments posted on that site from local people that just reinforced what that article described.
Now – on the other hand and emotions aside – that old adage “trust but verify”. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that and caution in this instance and the age of internet that we all live in today is definitely called for in this and many situations.
It appears to me that the most resourceful people on this website are full force in trying to determine the validity of this and will in short order get to the bottom of it. Either by exposing the hoax or rescuing this child. One way or another it will get resolved – I have no doubt.
I tend to lean towards thinking there is some truth to it since there was a case file confirmed involving the two named individuals. The corruptness of this local jurisdiction is validated by the article Papa uncovered and apparently it is still ongoing given the email he also received today. Further supported by AnneA’s contact regarding this judge provided she is remembering the same one’s reputation although if not the same judge AnneA’s contact knows in that area would be quite a coincidence that what AnneA’s contact described sounds just like what Connie has described to Karen has happened to her.
In closing, I’d like to say to all of you, there is never anything wrong with wanting to verify something as aggregious as these claims are and this video is horrible. Sometimes we don’t want to believe what we have just seen could possibly be real. However, it is real – either in the sense of it actually going on as the child is describing or in the sense of someone trying to pull of a awful hoax and internet scam. In either instance, I do believe from what I have seen being discussed on this forum and the quickness with which many of you have jumped in to find out truth and/or fiction, it will get stopped whether it is a hoax or whether there is really a little girl being abused and molested.
Take care all of you and, again, thank you so much for all that all of you do.
Capy – to heck with the dooling pistols, this is JOHNNY we’re talking about – I’ll be showing up with a bazooka! HE’S MINE! ALL MINE!
Spacely,
How can we contact Snopes whithout all this BS?
Spacely……I have to tell you, I have gained a mountain of respect for you over the past 30 hours or so. Your skill at ferreting out information as to contact points and other information has floored me.
I spent a few minutes going back over your posts since yesterday, and want to point out, to all reading this, the effort you have so diligently put into this child abuse situation. The following are only the posts you made with specific web addresses/and or names, phone numbers and fax numbers that are likely sources of help or information……….
4/30…1:55 p.m., 1:59 p.m., 2:23 p.m., 9:57 p.m.
5/1…9:20 a.m., 10:42 a.m., 10:53 a.m., 10:57 a.m., 11:14 a.m., 1:00 p.m., 2:21 p.m., 2:23 p.m., 2:27 p.m., 2:30 p.m., A second one @ 2:30 p.m., and a third one @ 2:30 p.m..
THESE ARE ONLY THE ONES WITH SPECIFIC CONTACT INFORMATION. These posts do not include a myriad of others that offer comments and advise that are spot on accurate.
My hat is off to you my friend. I would NEVER want you on my tail.
Thank you for the determination, intelligence, and wit that you bring to so just and noble a cause. I’m proud to walk along side you in this journey.
sure Pickels. Jan can give you my email also.
I heard about this vid last summer.
Capy I’ve laughed so much my husband has came in several times so I could read him the funny stuff. I finally sent him to Walmart cuz I was afraid I’d start laughing when they went to b@g my goods.
LLP and Spacely! Ditto! Bravo! Hats off! And cheers! To both you guys and everyone else who helped and is helping. Real heroes! Proud to “know” you!
and I’m finished with it also no MORE comments from me , I’m wormed out ..
Dinner time ..
well all I have to head out to a graduation. I’ll try to pop back in this weekend…if not I’ll holla at ya’ll Monday.
Yes it may be true and thank God there are recourseful ppl here to get to the truth!!
Talina – Welcome to BNN! Thank you for your kinds words and we would enjoy you joining our blogger family!
Thank YOU Talina and I hope that the NON resourceful ppl will start chipping in!
Papa, Thanks.
Tori – you can go to the snopes website and I believe there is a contact us button or submit or something…I believe someone did it yesterday…I have read snopes, but never sent anything in myself…
Pickles – I don’t doubt you…which is why I wonder if this video is actually a much older video that has been used in other scams…
Talina – thanks for your comments…I just want to throw out this caution…although we have identified there is a case and it does involve the two names we know…we have not verified that the video is actually linked to the case…or that is unaltered – putting on a new audio track is even easier than putting the words on it – and the fact the words are on it means someone spent considerable time editing it – and I find it suspicious that only a portion is available on YouTube…so I think we have a lot farther to go before we can say this is true…but you are absolutely correct that either way, a crime is being committed. Thanks for you input…
Papa / Spacely – BOTH of you are amazing at getting info and getting to the truth. You both bring so much to the table and we offer you our heartfelt thanks and respect!
Beth – I saw that “B@G”. I’m going to have nightmares tonight I’m being suffocated by plastic garbage bags! AHHHHHHHHHH!
AnneA Judge Penny —
A misogynist maybe?? A closet Pedophile?
Possible – isn’t it? WHO would have thought Priests would molest children? I have a friend who is now in his 60′s. He said “I knew it was going on, when I was in school. We could tell by the kid’s faces when they came back into class, (after they were pulled out of class), and their messed up clothes.” We now see Huckaby too – a Sunday School Teacher and the granddaughter of a Minister. WE above all people know ANYTHING can and often does – happen!
Oh boy, if true, mother’s and children (maybe only female??), are in deep deep trouble. Maybe his Record should be investigated and his Decisions published by a local Reporter? PUT a light on him and his “history” of Decisions? We might find a sick “pattern”.
Maybe his computer should be confiscated and examined… Maybe the buck starts/ stops with Judge Penny.
What Connie really needs is a decent PI that can produce documentation of actual abuse…like video or audio…
I dont know im glad that there are ppl worrying about it. I hope this gets resolved quicky and painlessly as possible
2:56 JULES ha ha ha ha ha.
Thanks for the comic relief.
M2C’s monkey just pooped on the plank…
LOL>…..
Good post Papa, you & Spacely are very resourceful, its much appreciated.
Jules I was being kind, I feel your head popping off at the thought of b@gs lol. For an encore Monday you have all weekend to work up a M cellphone skit- you can work it out
There is actually a second video posted on YouTube that is also named Daddy’s Worm – but it just goes to show you how this phrase may be completely harmless – in this vid, a family is in their living room and the dad is doing this strange break dancing move on the floor that makes him look like a snake or worm moving…the kids are laughing so hard they can barely talk…saying Daddy’s Worm…Daddy’s Worm – which is apparently the name of the move…Dad gets up and one of the kids drops down and starts doing the same thing with a little encouragement from the group…just a family being goofy and having fun…good wholesome clean family fun…
Beth
No, not on the plank
Talina – if we could see the child saying the words in the video it would help. There is no way to know if the voice goes with the child, the child goes with the words or the words go with the video. Could be an innocent bedtime video of a child but the text and audio be added in – there is no way to confirm it since you can’t see the child speak the words. That makes it a bit suspect to me. The fact that we’ve been able to find ALL sorts of resources for “Connie” but she states she has been unable to find any is suspect as well. Wanting MONEY instead of actual ASSISTANCE is a BIG red flag to me. Assistance has been offered but still only MONEY is requested or accepted. The fact that highly respected members of this blog have seen this video on the net for over a year speaks volumes as well. Most likely a video used for a scam over and over – names change, situation changes but the same video. Just having a court case number, some names and a judge’s name verified means NOTHING. Could be a custody case, divorce case or any number of things. We don’t have ANY proof of prior abuse allegations against this man. There is absolutely NOTHING verifiable in this case thus far. I would lay down my life for a child that was being abused but I need facts and proof. There are too many scammers out there and I’m afraid they are going to be successful in this case by taking advantage of the kind heartedness of people. People like Karen and AnneA who I truly respect. I feel their passion and fire for this situation and feel that same fire…BUT…I’m an eternal skeptic. We’ve done a LOT of homework on this and so far this video is screaming SCAM!
Picks
Oops. Sorry about that. Anyone see where I put the diaper bag?
Worm out of here yet? lol I can only take so much of it.
Now bags what about the bags Jules? LOL
The only thing I saw proof of was a page of Paypal buttons.
There will be NO pooping on the plank….by M2C’s monkey or anyone else! This is a POOP-FREE-PLANK-ZONE – A non-chocolate trouser trout area! No fudge dipping with da’ plank people!
M2C – For GAWD’s sake slap a diaper on your monkey! (No, I didn’t say spank the monkey – that would be something I would say to Spacely)
Ya Johnny Depp aint gonna like poop on his plank….I think Jules will have to answer some embarresing questions
Oops again. Sorry, Jules. I mentioned bag again.
Beth – LOL – The paypal buttons on that site reminds me of a massage parlor here in town you used to be able to call when I was in High School – yeah, massage parlor…wink wink…..the message was by an oriental who said you could get a massage *cough cough* for $20, $30 or $40 depending on how extensive a *cough cough* massage you wanted. They got raided and closed down before I graduated high school.
A table shower parlor? O a massage parlor *coughcough* “massage”
Oops. I did it again. This time I’m NOT mentioning b_g. Okay? And don’t worry I’ll swab Johnny’s deck anytime for you Jules. Now, where’s my drooling pistol? I mean dueling. Probably in monkey’s diaper bag.
Sorry Jules!
Oops!
Oh No! Not the monkey again? Send Static down to the Denver zoo to see if it has escaped.
m2c,
I wouldn’t swab poop off of anyone’s deck.
Tori
After reading TALINA’s post …
With regard to the Judge – I wonder if this Judge accepted a Pay Off? Is that his M.O.?
I guess his reputation would get around – among lawyers. Even in a case I had … my lawyer changed our Hearing. It was scheduled to be heard before a very, very bad Judge for females. Got a GREAT Judge – anybody but him would have been BETTER! So lawyers then can manipulate somewhat … which Judges they go before, and try to get one who will accept Pay Offs? A Continuance – conflict/timing, client is sick, or he knows the person who assigns cases, etc. A feather too, in the lawyer’s hat. His name too, would surely “get around” among “fathers”. WHAT A MESS.
How refreshing you all are. NONE of us has a hidden agenda.
WHAT/WHO WE ARE SPEAKS LOUD AND CLEAR!!
Pickles,
Jules in the 90s I had an alternative health shop in Broken Arrow, I’m a reflexologist & iridologist, & I had massage chairs in there. Well you know this part of the world. You can’t believe how many guys came in looking for that. The funniest one was a kid in his mid 20′s maybe, he kept trying to convince me I could give a ‘massage’, well he looked familiar & I kept talking to him finally Bixby came up, where I went to school, his mother was one of my fave teachers- he left all red faced at that.
heart,
not a pay off. the judge only accepts pay-pal
Tori & Pickles
AHHHHHHH! NO MORE BAGS! NO MORE WORMS! NO MORE POOPIE PLANKS!
Capy,
So how was the back seat?
Grrrrrrreat!
And you???
Ya its like DRAMA
docs are on HLN now, saying jurors will already be convinced of Ms guilt before it ever gets to Kronk- well duh.
I just wanted to say to all of you, I just had a hour and a half phone converstation with Connie. Everything on her site, she verified. I gave her all the information Spacely uncovered and Papa. She is calling them now. She asked me to give the FBI her phone number when they call me back. I just wanted you all to know, she is real, the case is real and that child needs help. Thank you Spacely, Papa, Jules and Jan – you too AnneA, but I’ll call you with the details after I get dinner done.
Was there a character in that old BC comic strip named Kronk?!?!?!
I’ve just about had it up to here (as Papa holds his hand up to his neck) with the Nancy Grace show. She ran with a bit last week about a “smoking gun” Amscot picture/video deal showing maggot driving into the parking space coming with the evidence drop today.
I just endured looking at every single photo in the batch. I’ll bet I looked at what had to be 25 pictures of garbage laid out on a table, I suppose from her trunk. I endured more picture of this horse faced Ho. I endured pictures of Sawgrass Apartments that I know for a fact have been taken SINCE maggot was locked up. How do I know ?? My company was hired to replace the existing stair railing system, and the new rails are in these pictures.
No surveillance pictures from Amscot were shown.
Nancy Grace is falling below Geraldo Rivera in my esteem, and frankly I didn’t think anyone could get that low.
Pickles
Capy,
wooo-eee Fortunately I didn’t get pregnant and I am glad I didn’t marry him. I saw him at my last hs reunion. I should have asked him the make and model of the car! Everytime I hear that song Night Moves, well….. never mind!
KAREN THANK YOU FOR THAT…It has truly made me believe now that this is real…THANK YOU for your wonderful love and determination to seek this through!! We should all commend you and try to be more like you with this situation Karen if there is anything I can do to help let me know..
Capy
Papa – you’ve had a busy day. Bet you are worn out. Take care.
Please and keep us updated on the progress being made in this situation.
Beth – I lived in Bixby for awhile and Broken Arrow too! I used to go horseback riding out at a place out in Bixby – can’t think of the name now. There was a little hamburger joint on the corner in Bixby too…GOOD BURGERS! Can’t think of the name of it either!
I lived over by Broken Arrow Hospital for awhile. Used to volunteer there while I was going to school and working part-time. We’ve crossed paths a BUNCH in our lives! Funny it took a blog for us to actually meet!
Tori – girl 6 lbs. 3 ozs.
Pickles,
Ya werz mah Papa?? Papa eye gohts tis har skurt and nice neles fir n yew ahn yir nohd har tew seen it !
Are they by any chance the Zanny Freedom Rails?!?!?!?! For the Ricardo Stairs of Shame!?!?!?!
Pleasantries Tori pleasantries!
Tori my 1st love was the school stud/dud, a few years ago I heard he was gay, did I do that???
Capy,
12 year old girl shoots/kills father. TX. LE said no remorse.
Either really nuts or abused…?
Beth,
mine never married, couldn’t find anyone better, I guess…….
Most likely abuse……
Jules….If you need the name of that hamburger joint and/or the horse stables….ask Spacely. I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut he can find them.
Tori – No, just one
Pickles
Capy
You got it baby! Qwik cookie! ♥
Jules, Scotts hamburgars/ god can’t remember the name before that- guy from Union opened it. I use to order mine burnt, one day they literally gave me charcoal on a bun lol. Yes my kids have hit the ER at BA hospital too.
Dirs mah Papa!!
where did mb go, Capy? We need to hear her side of the story.
TORI!
Ah … no paper trail. Not cool.
Beth – you weren’t standing on your head were you? lol
My first love went on to be a very successful doctor, had a beautiful home, nice cars, would always flash a lot of money…..until he lost it all from filing false claims to Medicare and Medicaid…over $1 million worth! What a dork!
Scott’s Hamburgers
15 W Dawes Ave
Bixby, OK 74008
(918) 366-6283
(918) 366-6282
Airborne Stables
1831 E 161st St S
Bixby, OK
(918) 366-9166
Theres a Scotty burger here in my towm!! YUMMIE bessn shakes ooh they make Oregon blackberry mmmm mmmm mmmmm love it…Feel my azz growing just thinking bout it…Kim Kardashians of the world UNITE~
Tori mine married 3 or 4 times so I guess I didn’t turn him gay. I remember it just blew my mind cuz he was the hornest f@er I’d ever met.
Jules we probably have crossed paths, my husband grew alfalfa too so we were around the horse people a lot.
Pickles,
Sounds like your fob is in a panic.
Pickles…You trying to short circuit this old man ??? I had to go to bed last night when you told me about that short skirt wench’s costume and the hot pink toe nails….
Welll Capy, he wasn’t bad
I think if you could invent a diet pill that put all the extra calories into your bra instead of your pants, you could make a billion dollars…
Ihs noht mah tow neles Papa ihs mah feengr neles.
Damn Spacely….what took you so long??? Amazing !!
Spacely remind me to hire you when I need to find someone!
No way Space the boobs can get a implant it takes donuts to pack on what Kim Kardashians of the world got!
Space is duh man YO!
Beth,
Spacely and Papa are incredible.
Scott’s hamburgers! That’s it! The PERFECT greasy spoon diner! Ah, the memories!
I had to quit volunteering at the hospital after they brought in a little 2 1/2 yo girl who had hung herself accidently on her swing set at her grandparent’s house. She had been standing on the seat of the swing and twisting it (like we all probably did when we were little) so it would spin with her. She somehow got the chain around her neck and it twisted and she fell off the seat she was standing on. Her grandfather found her. Thought he was going to be the next patient! He left her to go in and go the bathroom – came out and she was hung. I was helping in the ER when they brought the little girl in. Worked on her for what seemed like an eternity but couldn’t save her. It was MY job to keep the family out of the room! Yeah, that was really fun! I got pushed, shoved, cussed at and all while watching this baby die. I quit the next day! Couldn’t do it anymore.
there is something i have never understood either…implant…i mean, it sounds like it is just going to sit there doing nothing…like a plant that is im your boob…why not kick it up a notch…get something no one else has…boobs that can do tricks…with an immonkey…a saline immonkey…
SHAM PLANT!
I am out for the day…see you all soon…
Jules- been reading up back about 200 posts and your walmart about them doing everything but deliver was HILARIOUS
Spacely…Then me and you both would be Pickles monkeys for real
Simon new article up on doc. release
Jules – oh, that is so sad. I could never work in an ER. I took my hubby to ER years ago with chest pains. While I waited in lobby saw things come through the door I couldn’t believe and I was only there for an hour or so.
Been to ER here lots of times, just a lot of sickies. That’s all I can handle.
after wading through the 200 posts lol i see we talked alot about Bags today and nothing much came out in docs.. go figure…hm…
i got to thinking today about haleigh today
where is she??????????????
Jules how terrible, I couldn’t do it, no way. I love to help people but don’t do injuries/blood especially kids. So you know a proper reaction to a childs death.
You want to move or stay.
Pammy Haleigh is being searched for as we speak and there is progress being made….Just rest assured that things are rolling!
“should i stay or should i go now?? should i stay or should i go now? if i stay there will be trouble”….
remember that old dittie?
I dont care if you want the rabbit hole hollor..
i gots to fold laundry you’d be amazed how much i am doing in between driving by back and forth here..lol i wanna sit down though..lol
Pammy all those pages of docs & al we got was an empty bag!
Spacely said,
in May 1st, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Terisa,
If the video is unaltered, my guess would be it was made with the lights out as the mother and aunt put the child to bed and as she was drifting to sleep, she was conversing with them in a stream-of-conciousness…in other words, she said everything that came into her mind.
*********************
The child was wide awake…and at one point sitting up!
Go
you dont care? you dont care? lol what you up to miss pickles? idont care neither I just move when you tell me, cause i don’t need no trouble
Pickles ~MzBhaven~ said,
in May 1st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Pammy Haleigh is being searched for as we speak and there is progress being made….Just rest assured that things are rolling!
**********
hey pickles puss…I haven’t heard of any search…who’s searchin?
Its slow for me, could be cuz its tired though lol, I’ve worn it out today
Spacely – Wow Space – you are like ON YOUR GAME today son! Scotts Burgers – AWESOME food! – Now I don’t remember it being Airborn Stables back then but that could be who owned it – or it may have changed hands. They had GREAT pastureland where you could rent horses and ride for hours. Beautiful rolling hills and forest paths! Would ride out there every weekend! Great memories!
it is a little slow for me…
Hello C-A how are you girl? hows your babie and i havent seen beast?
I meant to say how are your babies thats plural
Jules did you go out to Allen Ranch? There the biggest one, south of Bixby.
Time for me to go kids. Have an awesome and blessed bag-free weekend!
Bye jules… hope your around for the weekend… i will be gone having a b day party all day but wil try to call in the show for sure sunday.
Oops where the spelling police, they’re not there.
I’m getting mush brained, had a blast w/ youins today. Sucky docs but great company~~~
Some of us have moved, Pickles
Pammy is her bday tomorrow? Have a good party, lots of fun!
Jules see ya Monday, stay out of Walmart
Beth! I think that was it! Allen Ranch! Did you go straight through town and it was way out on the right down a dirt road?
lmao Tori
Okay – I’m outta here! ♥ to my BNN family! Someone please monitor the plank over the weekend for me! Make sure there is NO Monkey Poo on the Plank!
oh i want the job!! I will do it jules, I’ll keep a good eye on the plank… It will be safe and sound… I have been watching the charlie chocolate movie this afternoon with the girl
Yep, its actually in Liberty, butts up to Bixby, in the middle of nowhere. They do the Trail of Fear at Halloween, cookouts on weekends etc.
Beth yep tomorrow. alot of preparation for it lol… still ain’t done, but yah i’m all excited today i been kind of lazy…
are we movin? pickles wouldn’t answer me, shes mad at me i think???
PAGING PAGING PICKLES PICKLES? DID YOU LEAVE US HERE??
PAGING PAGING PICKLES PICKLES? DID YOU LEAVE US HERE??
so you have a little bull on your hands, enjoy those teenage years haha! Why would Picks be mad at you? I saw nothing
C~A: we have a swine flue case here in this City’s Hospital walking distance from our house ,
a 22 year old girl who was In Mexico she is doing fine. I heard ,
they will probably shut down Hospital
k I’m moving though I like to wait for a bunny suit, I’ll go.
SHE ISNT TEE HEE I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET ATTENTION
AND SHE GIVES ME IT SHHHH…. LOL
Hey pammy dahlin! Babies are good thanks…how’s your little pumpkin? Are you as disappointed as the rest of us in this frickin doc dump? That’s because I am very impatient person!
What I do think is happening though is that they are releasing every bit of useless information they have as NOT to give bozo “more time then deserved” with the ‘BOMB!!!!
Seems that the doc. dumps are still months behind real time…like, this last bunch had a pre-determined date of cut off for release.
I wonder if one of our detectives can determine in the doc. dump, the “actual” evidence retrieval date of the newest piece of evidence in the dump!!!!
We might only be caught up to Feb or March….WE STILL DON’T KNOW WHY THEY PUT DP BACK ON !!!! The big smokin gun may be something none of even know about!
so we must try NOT to be too disappointed in the hair results…that means caylee wasn’t suffering under the influence…I THINK THAT IS GREAT NEWS…and le knew this before they put DP back on the table.
THEY MUST HAVE AN ACE IN THEIR HAND! NEXT DUMP MIGHT SHED MORE LIGHT.
I think they are just jerking bozo around! Lettin all the insignificant shitt outta the bag in bits and dribbles…giving him the feeling he has won…and continue to move in a direction that has nothing to do with their ace…and in the end…WILL CONVICT HER!
I REALLY HOPE THAT ALL MADE SENSE..IT DOES TO ME BUT ..WELL…DONT’ WORRY!@
Oh, nana, that’s terrible. Take care of yourself and wash your hands a lot – and like for 20 seconds. That’s what the CDC says.
If you have not seen it here’s a link to info from the CDC about that flu:
FYI
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/swineflu_you.htm
Hey C-A! shes fine super excited about the party tomorrow, and driving me nuts
hey what did you make of the part that says they found no xanax in the hair NOR did they test the hair for chloroform?? WHY?? WHY?? I dont get that part? why didn’t they test the hair for that? and the fact i didnt see much found in the hair? or did i read the earlier post wrong?
and as far as docs. I think they are just releasing the boring stuff, holding the hard stuff for later…
Some people have MOVED to:
Article # 120707
Title:
Caylee Anthony – Document Dump Shows Little of Substance
EXACTLY!
I think they are just jerking bozo around! Lettin all the insignificant shitt outta the bag in bits and dribbles…giving him the feeling he has won…and continue to move in a direction that has nothing to do with their ace…and in the end…WILL CONVICT HER!
Make sense pammy girl…yup! Good! If the d.p hadn’t been put back on…I might worry a bit more…but they are AT WAR!
I really think they are jerking the tiny twizler…and that is perfect cause he is always grasping at straws…and doesn’t know what they know and i think it must be killin him!
i dont think the pros would ever let anything out of the bag that they have what their doing is teasing us… but the hair showing nothing, i mean why didnt they test it for chloroform? I dont get that part?
They didn’t test for chloroform because it’s a substance that is released when a body decomposes, so they wouldn’t be able to tell if it were found, whether it came from decomposition or another source.
Pammy you here Im not mad at you I hadda go get my boy from shcool
Hi, Diane!
I think some people moved to:
Article # 120707
Title:
Caylee Anthony – Document Dump Shows Little of Substance
Maybe you could post your answer there too? I’m sure they’d like to see it.
FOLLOW THE WHITE RABBIT….FOLLOW THE WHITE RABBIT…..FOLLOW THE WHITE RABBIT
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CAYLEE ANTHONY-DOCKET DUMP SHOWS LITTLE OF SUBSTANCE.
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Melissa is also a Christian.
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