I just listened to it and heard my voice, wow I sound like my sister, but didn’t stammer as much as I thought. Good hour and choice of guest, I bet they get plenty of callers next time too.

the only surprise that should be coming out of this case is Casey confessing and telling where the body is. I did not agree with the death penalty but I think that the threat of it should have been used as leverage to make her confess. She is fast becoming the nastiest piece of work I have ever seen…My only hope is that she spend the rest of her life in prison general population where they treat her as she needs to be treated - with bullying, violent threats and pure hatred - day in and day out until she drops dead. I hate her and I feel almost sorry for her parents now after seeing her with them in the prison visit videos. They are patient and loving with her and she lies lies lies like a rug showing that she has no loyalty to anyone, not even her parents, only to herself. It is unfortunate that the baby was not taken from her before she murdered her. I just hope that Karma with a capital K is coming round the wheel for Casey-killer-bxxxh-Anthony.

For those following the case I think it was gratifying to hear someone who had a closer look at the Anthony’s and validated what we pretty much knew. I loved his observation of George’s body language for example and his comments about Cindy’s personality.

From the comments I’m reading, I’m certainly glad I wasn’t able to tune in as it appears no new revelations were revealed. As far as Toni’s comment regarding the DNA being on the shovel…you are spot on. According to documents released by LE, no DNA was found on the shovel…not even a hair.

It would be nice if folks wouldn’t psych everyone up for nothing.

SORRY GUYS BE HE SOUNDED LIKE A BIT OF A CREEP TO ME LOL…. IM USUALLY A PRETTY GOOD JUDGE AFTER HEARING SOMEONE SPEAK. ANY WAY GOOD NIGHT ALL UNTIL TOMORROW AFTER WORK.. SLEEP WELL.

Sorry I had to miss the live show, but I did hear the recording. Was surprised by the callers from other blogs. Who knew!

THANKS so much Sean for sharing your insights into the case. We appreciate you taking the time to do the show from your hospital room.

Sending well wishes and prayers for a speedy and successful recovery.

I watched all the “whimpering/simperering/snivelling” videos of Casey…she really is a piece of work!!!

IMO BAEZ MUST be prosecuted!

Sadly Caylee will never be found…Casey doesn’t give a *hit…all she cares about is HERSELF!!!

I truly hope that she is put in General Population where ?justice? may prevail!

{At the age of 37 my daughter gave birth to her first child…sadly stillborn…one day after her 39th birthday my now 8 month old grandson Luke was born…I am such a blessed Granny…sadly my heart doesn’t go out to Cindy…but think that George is caught between the “Devil and the deep blue sea”

Thinking of Caylee XXX

morning all, after reading emails between sean and cindy what about the water treatment plant he talked about? with the household cleaning products?? wonder if le knows about it and if they would investigate?? i think they should look anywhere there might be a chance of finding her maybe they have allready!

also a caller mentioned they thought m might have had help, i dont brlieve she did her boy friend iwas in his 20’s from experiance most 20yr olds are concerned with sex they arent ready to settle down w/ kids not all but most, also sean potrayed m’s friends as drug users, ive never got that oopinion maybee a little pot but noyhing that heavy but i could be wrong most of them had jobs or were in school, i think c&g knew from the start thats why the pants were washed, i dont understand why they havent been charged with obstruction yet, and we havent herad any reports on the maggots, maybee they hold the clues we need, or maybee le will search the area again mentioned by sean, hopefully they will have enough evedince to get a firm conviction then this media circus around c will stop!

msfits and glitter:
The threat of the death penalty WAS used to scare M. That’s why Lemon was brought in - he’s the death penalty expert lawyer. But BB got M to hold out.
Remember the state first offered limited immunity. M passed on that.
Then when in jail she asked to speak with her father but BB interfered and it did not happen. And then when the cops were taking her to jail the last time she asked to go to the sheriff’s office instead. But then she called BB and he talked her out of it again. So I think she was scared and might have been willing to make a deal any or all of those three times but BB talked her out of it.

The state just withdrew the possibility of the death penalty last week.

Unfortunately everyone all along has known that the state had a weak case for the death penalty. I was very surprised long ago that someone from the state leaked that statement.
And then the forensics docs that were released showed it was not a strong case. And no remains have been found yet.

What M doesn’t realize is that she is still playing with a life sentence. Or BB is playing with it but it’s not HIS life so he doesn’t care. If she confessed or even just told where the body is (for a plea deal), then BB’s claim to fame ends. If they go all the way thru trial he can “eat out” on this case for years - with TV interviews, book deals, more clients etc. M will be behind bars and never see BB again.
At first I thought I should write M to tell her that her best interests were not being represented. But then I realized that I don’t care! Except the one thing I do care about is finding Caylee’s remains and giving her a decent funeral. To me that would be worth M getting a little less time. Obviously it’s not worth anything at all to BB.

I didn’t read any news report first hand about the sketch of Z that M helped put together so I don’t know who BB or C gave it to? LE? Psychics? The private eye team that’s working for the ants?

If the ants don’t release that sketch publicly I will bet dollars to donuts it will be because they’re scared that an innocent person who looks just like that sketch will sue them like Zenaida is suing M. LOL!

And also why hasn’t C reported the hacking of her email account to LE? One possibility is that it’s very embarrassing to ask them for help after you’ve trashed them publicly and made it clear they can’t be trusted! LOL!
Another possibility is that it wasn’t hacked at all. Someone in the ant camp did it. But I’m not sure why. So that in future if any damaging email is exposed C can claim it was hacked? A fake?

Dan, I can’t take any credit for my assessment of BB. It was first expressed by another of our new bloggers, Retired Attorney John. But when I read what he wrote it crystallized my thoughts on it - but in a more knowledgable way than I could have.

Typistgal - Welcome! I’ve listened to several radio shows and I always learn something. Hope you continue to blog with us!

Same goes for all newcomers! Come and sit a spell! We’re a friendly group and that’s just what everyone who cares about little Caylee needs. Friendship, people to “listen,” a place to “vent.” This case is a very tough one and can be taking more of toll on us than we know. This blog is essentially “good for us!” Physically, mentally and emotionally. IMO.

Good morning everyone MTC lil red, dan and everyone, I did go back and read your post lil red.. you can copy and paste it over here lol
and thanks for all your comments, I have read them all…
I am boggled as usual by the case, I rarely give my opinions anymore ( because my brin feels scrambled at times with this much info) I just read from you all. and thats how I stay informed..lol I get too confused by my own theories.. I see we have alot of newcomers here too…I liked your welcome post MTC

I had not heard anything of this, but 4 a.m. would be a good time, as no one would be out and the chance of being seen is very small. I wonder if anyone has searched this area.

She was searching missing kids cases and could have repeated something she read about.

She clearly expected her car to be taken so it would look like a crime and have someone take the fall for the smell, etc.

I will check back later. I have busy day today, but I would appreciate any more information on this.

Thanks!!

Hi, Saluki! I agree with everything you said about Padilla. C and M said M couldn’t talk while in jail. Padilla was ready to go after whoever wherever once she was able to tell him. With his often expressed admiration for LE I don’t think he would have even minded if she’d said I need to tell the cops rather than you. But the ants just USED him to get her slut butt out of jail. They should have thought twice before making an enemy of him!

What fun the puppies must be (except not for their tired mommy!) I bet they are cute as can be!

I sure hope the trial is not delayed. Not sure what’s going to happen on Thursday in court. Does anyone know what the purpose of that is?

When in Jan do we think Paddy is coming back. God I pray he puts an end to the mystery of our missing baby! Every one of the ants are self centered manipulating, lying ungrateful bag of dirt!

Especially putting an end to the bullpoop at every turn where the liars are concerned. It’s just sickening to listen to anything any of them has to say! So tired of them! Paddy boy hopefully will shut em up for good and we’ll have bones proving baby is in fact dead going into the trial….

But anyways…I do hope Sean is havng a better day today….

hey pickly poo…I totally agree with you. We are ALL human and to be that small minded (he is a sick man after all) is low!

Cheers to Sean and his recovery!

Aye aye I am AFK I thought Id say…down by the bay…in sum hay..yay yay!!!

sean said he talked with melic about the water treatment pland on a interview that will be released soon wouldnt that be great to have caylee found before xmas??? had a dream about her i was hugging 2 other pep and crying dont remember the rest hopefuully something will break, then we will see c scramble to blame someone gotta go bbl~ anna

anna - see my post at 11:34 am for some new news.

More new news from BB and C this morning. Even stupider. From local6.com

“The attorney for Casey Anthony, who remains jailed on murder charges in the disappearance of her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee, is seeking a subpoena to obtain surveillance video from area businesses involved in possible Caylee sightings.
Jose Baez, the attorney representing Casey Anthony is scheduled to appear in court on Monday. Casey Anthony’s parents, George and Cindy Anthony, said they need the subpoena to help in their search for their missing granddaughter.

We can’t do it as private citizens. It has to be law enforcement,” said Cindy Anthony, referring to following up on tips in the case.
The Orange County Sheriff’s Office has said that evidence shows Caylee is dead.
Meanwhile, Cindy Anthony told Local 6 News that she and her husband will be traveling to California after receiving a tip about Caylee, and they will appear on Larry King Live.
Cindy Anthony also said she wished that jail visitation videos released last week would have been seen by the public earlier.
“I said from the very beginning, if they would have shown those tapes people would have seen that she does have emotions,” Cindy Anthony said. “She’s not a cold, calloused person like everybody wants to paint her out to be. She’s a desperate, loving mother.”
Casey Anthony, 22, told authorities she had left her daughter with a baby sitter in mid-June and the two were gone when she returned from work. She said she spent the next month trying to find her daughter and didn’t call authorities because she was scared. Investigators say they have poked several holes in her story.”

M showed emotions when she was feeling sorry for herself. Another sociopath trait that confuses people. They can cry like babies when they are caught or feel unjustly treated.

Hi, Val! Good point about exactly where did C get Amy’s number? Where was it in the car?
And you’re right. M’s excuse for not having certain numbers - for people she supposedly had known for years - was that they were on her “old” phone so she was used to having access to numbers from the phone.

Actually I think it was the next day or sometime after the 911 call that C said, “That smell was pizza, right?” And G said, “Yes. It was the pizza.” Supposedly because he didn’t want to upset her.

But when they got the notice of the towed car C had been talking to M almost the whole time -almost every day - that it had been at the tow yard I believe. Towed June 27 and they picked it up on July 15. So they could pretty well rule out M as being the body.

Good question about G gaily skipping off to work knowing full well that C was going into cleaning mode. Clearly if she’d talked to M a few days earlier and had not seen Caylee for a month they HAD to think about it being Caylee.

Val, I’m sure C has the alien abduction defense up her sleeve but my try the “Padilla found her and killed her out of spite” defense first.

You can see from what she’s said most recently (in my 11:42 am post) that she has not just blinders on but a full sleep mask over her eyes! She thinks those videos make it look like M has emotions? Yes. Two kinds. 1) Fake and (2) for herself. And she thinks M looks like a loving mother? C hi thee to a psychiatrist QUICK!

That would have been her first line of defense if she told police she couldn’t say anything for fear of retaliation by these evil kidnappers. She didn’t think of that angle until they didn’t buy the trusted nanny lie. Then there was the 31 day script and the 55 day lesson. What was she supposed to do between 31 and 55?

Hey, Val! That’s when she had paid vacation (on Amy’s nickel) LOL!

If M had been crying for her daughter it would have pulled every heartstring in America. I had no sympathy for her performance at all, because she focused on herself.

Good point M2C, lol, she deserved a break after all that drama.

It was more of a “Mommy, Daddy, your little princess is hurting, please get me out of here, oh yeah and I want to find Caylee, yeah have to throw that in”.

i guess everyone left me

I jus got home frum takng that boy to the school!!!

pammyliz, who else is rude to callers? NG is rude to her guests but usually very patient and sweet to her callers (fans) not that I’ve been watching her show for long (only during this case actually).

And yes, pammy, the ants knew that they were being audio and video recorded during the jail visitations. That’s part of the reason for hemming and hawing around issues and all of them putting on an act.

I will bet that BB is demanding subpoenas for Orlando businesses just so he can say at the trial that he asked x many times for subpoenas to get video footage and it’s LE’s fault the child has not been found.

Of course now she’s in California. Convenient tip to be following up on, C & G, when you need to go out there to be on Larry King.

Wait…they are sayng Caylee is in California??? wait …I thought Caylee died of an accidentall overdose on sedatives…oh yah that wus “whut if”

But really did they say theres a sightng in Cali.??

Gee, Cindy, I wish those tapes had been released earlier too. I would not have had a shadow of a doubt in my mind all this time that your slut daughter killed her baby.

Larry king is way rude to callers…hi pickles!!! I was thinking they didn’t know they were being taped…hmm… sheds new light

I wish Larry was way rude to guests. That’s what C & G need. A good slap upside the head and if it has to be on national TV then too bad.

The part about the car has always bothered me. We assume that Cindy was in overdrive because we know about the pants. But George did not get to work until at least 5:30, and I figure the latest that car was home was around 4 or so. They both had over an hour together to find and get rid of evidence.

Amy was a newer friend, but probably all of Casey’s friends were programmed into her phone. I have always thought it odd that Cindy claimed her number was written on a piece of paper on the front seat. Maybe she is saying that because she found leftover evidence of Casey’s check-cashing binge there. Or maybe she was just rifling through her room to find it. It seems oddly convenient that it was there - unless this was part of the staging Casey had done. We can never ignore those darned details - some are completely insignificant, but others have been very revealing. Maybe why we are all so rabid to figure them out.

And, mytwocents, I agree about George knowing for a fact it was not Casey. Cindy had heard from her quite a few times since the car was towed. They both were well aware it was a crime scene - the fact they paid $500 to drag it home and not call LE on the spot means they knew Casey had to have been involved. The fact that they had several hours total with the car before they got ahold of Casey - not to mention the whole day of the 16th while she was dragging LE on her Universal Tour, means they had ample time to fix things for her. LE did not even pick up the car until the 17th if I’m not mistaken. I’m sure the Anthonys did not miss a moment of that opportunity.

As far as I know, that smelly car is never mentioned in the original kidnapping report Melich wrote on the 15th, so I am assuming nobody at LE knew it was even involved until they compared the 911 calls with the subsequent visit. That was Cindy’s biggest mistake, mentioning that car in her 911 call. The Anthonys sure didn’t feel the need to talk about it….

Meanwhile, Cindy Anthony told Local 6 News that she and her husband will be traveling to California after receiving a tip about Caylee, and they will appear on Larry King Live

ARE YOU KIDDING ME.. they receivd a tip that Caylee is alive ther..so they are goin on Larry King live..

I wuldnt be suprisd if Caylee wus alive somwher and Lee is now watchng her and all this is fur $$$ whut the hell…goin out to follow up on a lead and well hey since were in Cali..lets pop in and see our good pal Larry KIng…wtf??

THESE PPL ARE QUITE THE SPECIMEN!!!

Sorry guys so much to work out here at the house! I drifted away for a bit…

Hi Val…you here?

Pickles…it’s going ….if it doesn’t rain it pours man!

Pammy are ya still here….

MTC - when is mork and mindy going to be on Larry King?

Supposedly Friday, CA. See the news report at 11:42 am (above.)

Larry King is noted for being super diplomatic and kind to his guests. I don’t remember what he does to callers, but I bet they are heavily screened.

yah i had just assumed that it was so early on that that was way before they realized all could be told, and before they knew it was being taped..so then, like i said it sheds more light on some of M’s silly comments… I don’t think anything much will come out on larry king
what is there to come out?
Pickles you dont truly believe lee has had caylee??LMAO… would this not be amaZing tho if true? if they were to turn her up at this point and ants hd something to do with a staging of this whole thing then prison for all of them!
Hey CA!!!

yes val he is good with his guests but he is ssoooooooo gruff when the callers call in, one time someone got through and before he could cut the call off someone said to the guest ask larry to turn around to the camera and show his back of head.. larry cut the call off ( they were trying to be mean about him wearing a toupee and it was a crank caller) so your right he is heavily screening..

and about NG all of her guests are her old friends and lawyer buddies, they already know going in whats gonna happen…lol… I like all of her guests excpet a few…I think they are all good lawyers for both sides. I follwed her many years, love nancy grace.. she was a host of court tv and had alot to say always… when following trials….

Hi CA! Yep I’m around. When there is a lull I drift to my gmail and when I check back there are all kinds of new posts! I just gmailed my daughter about the radio show and she said, “you were on a radio show? give me details!” lol, it wasn’t like introvert me to call in.

There is no end to ther tierany…(spelllchek)

yah pickles this case just gets whackier, I think for years to come (after trial and conviction) we will still study this case with really no answers…you think?

I don’t know if king pays for the interviews…

I think I will be contemplatng Caylee till they bring her home to rest..

yah I saw no grieving mother pickles…

I think alot of people grieve differently but with most mothers, there is like something with us that we all would do, and shes done none of that… I mean if she were truly innocent the agony of being incarcerated against her will PLUS the missing baby would be enuff to unglue anyone

if it were me ne ways

See thats the thing tho she isnt a grievng mothr of a missing child..she is a grievng murderer of herself cus she got caught..she culd care less bout that child..at all..she hates Caylee and the fact thac Caylee has not been found just tells me how much she hates Caylee alls she cared bout wus gettng rid of Caylee and she did..the rest is just chickn scratch..cus even if she gets life in the pen w/o porale…she will eventually get use to it and succomb to her new home..and be grateful that she at least is alive…that Caylee didnt win in the end..she is still out rotting somwher

They need to be treatd like celebutants..they think they are big business now sayng you can have and interview and you cant have one they are scumbags..thay are draggng Caylee thru the mud and myer all the time…they are trash…

They must pre-approve the questions before agreeing to be on. They will do their broken record routine of saying they have new tips every day and are getting closer, they can feel it in their gut, closer and closer. If they aren’t careful they will trip over the kidnappers.

yah i bet they dunt take calls

i am abbreviating today cause my wrists are hurting from my carpal tunnel

Pickles I envisioned something that helps me sometimes like when I’m afraid that “they” will “win.”
This won’t happen and it can’t happen literally the way I see it but symbolically it could happen.
I see all four ants standing there alone, outside somewhere (like in an open park area),
and the whole world is looking at them. And one person steps out from the crowd of onlookers carrying little Caylee’s body.

He walks up to the ants and gently lays the little body down on the ground and just looks at them. The whole world looks at them. They don’t move. They’re paralyzed by the way we are looing at them. The look tells them clearly, “You did this. You are responsible.”
There is nothing they can say. They are left there, unmoving, with the little body lying in front of them and the whole world just looking at them.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17182547/detail.html

okay barff

http://www.jeffersonbass.com/video_body_farm_tour.html

TOUR THE BODY FARM AT TENNESSEE

Val you said: “If they aren’t careful they will trip over the kidnappers.” LMAO! I needed that!

What I’m afraid of is that they love the limelight so much - and it must be nice at home without M - that they might walk right on by at least once before going back to get the child! Keep that spotlight on themselves just a little longer!

That would be really interesting to see what is wrong with M’s brain. They study serial killers, but female murderers are rare. Fetal alcohol syndrome children aren’t afraid of consequences either.

Blehh the body farm is nasty…they jus gots corpses here and ther..ehhhh the worms crawl in the worms crawl out the worms play peenuckle in yur snout!!!

ewwwwwwwwww lol

pammyliz - I’m not so sure this case will go down in the law books as anything special. We’ll have to wait and see. But I can see it being studied by scientists and forensics people who want to know about the new science.
And certainly psychologists will have a field day studying her sociopathy. Although I’m not really sure about that either. They already know a lot about sociopaths. She’s probably nothing special that way either! Perhaps they’d use her as a “recent example.” But that’s all.
She’s really not special no matter what she thinks. In fact did you notice the pleased smile she had when she said she was in “protective custody.” Like anyone was really protecting her or gave a s..t about her! She’s kidding herself. LE is just avoiding a law suit ’cause they know those female inmates would tear her limb from limb!
But M acts like she’s the state’s last witness against the mob or something!

Another neat thing I caught was when C told her that not everyone was being nice about this or thought she was innocent (I forget the exact words). And M says, “Oh, yeah. I get that in here.” GOOD! I bet those other prisoners have some choice words for her when she goes strutting by! And she won’t be “protected” forever! She better get used to that idea!

Val @ 1:30 LMAO! Thank you! That was a great one!

(later)
I’m laughing so hard I’ve missed the Post button three times!

yah I agree MTC she isn’t special at all, just another child killer, didn’t want her kid.. thats why the guests on NG too act like oh “this isn’t anything nancy out of the ordinary”,…but to us as lay people we are so outraged but they see this every single day…day in day out. i could not handle that line of work..

I did not hear her say that about protective cus… see how much i miss and how much i get informed on this blog? without this blog I would be missing so much. Its not quiet in my house… EVER lol THANK YOU BLOGGER NEWS AND SIMON AND JAN and all my friends here! and jan for keeping this story alive for us…

ahahaha that is a good one Val..well can you keep her a bit longr..cus we got to go to clear our schedules..yur doin such a great job with her anyways.

Yes thank the good Lord fur the body farm !!!

I remember scott peterson larry king had that on every night for so long, it will be interesting to see how many viewers tune in for this charade.. i admit i wll be watching too… I have not seen them on tv in an intervew yet , you all will have to remind me on friday not to go to bed for 8 hours and wake up at midnight again!!!!!

Pammyliz: Be sure the cable runs from the TV to the video recorder. If you don’t know how to schedule to have the program taped then do it manually (or “womanually” as I like to say) and just turn the TV on to the program when it starts and push the record button on the VCR.

But you have time to get someone to help you get it all ready to record before the trial. Surely somebody knows somebody - or rent a teenager! That’s a great solution for technological problems these days! lol!

Pammyliz my ol man jus brought home a big tub of Costco fine chocolates of the world home….there not that great…

lol i have these choices pickles, snack pack pudding, pop tart, m & m’s… um oreos… not exactly my favs but I need a choco fix…lol

m and m’s pammy…oreos suck! lol had my choco-delight double thick caramilk last but had to share it…:( can’t say no the babes even with my chocolate…

oops..last night…gotta have me chocolate…

no pudding…drink milk…LMAO

hi paw…awww that’s nice!

I just starting listening to it though. So I’m listening now lol.

Obama smokes cigarettes..he hasnt totally kicked the habit…our President elect is a smoker!! Thats cool…I mean have we evr had a cigarette smokin Pres. yet??

Maybe cigarette prices will go down? lol. Oh hell, they are already cheap for us lol.

Bumpy, Why am I not impressed with this “special guest” so far? lol.

PAW69 shhhhh Sean is a nice man..he did the sho frum his hospital bed where he is confind with Cancer!!!

I want them to make reese’s peanutbutter cup pudding, mmmm.

LOL Bumpy, That doesn’t mean I have to be impressed does it? lol.

To be honest, I’m only listening to it because of your giggles Bumpy lmao.

CA, excellent idea.

novalis said,in December 8th, 2008 at 12:35 pm Even tho I am supposed to be taking a break, every now and then I stop and read a particular blogger’s post, and this one is just exactly what I think happened about the car. Hi, e1 got to run b4 I am late. The radio show was great, I think Sean did contribute, and want to thank Simon and Jan again for a great hour. Nice to put voices to some of the bloggers and noticed some from Greta Wire. They have good graphics on that blog, but this blog is home! Lots of great peeps!!! Great arm chair detectives!!! Wish le would listen in, they would get great ideas and theories.

Sorry, what I was trying to say about Novalis is she would be a great detective.

The best cleaner for blood evidence is bleach, Spacely. I think a few drops of chloroform would knock you out, so I don’t know what it would do in skin contact. It is used as a cleaning fluid though, so I wonder what precautions they take.

PAW69 j00ooh aint gotta b impressd by anything….

Muh giggles..yah yah I usually snort..too..I culdnt contain muh self when he said that lee wus lookng fur a volunteer b~~! that wus too much..and the potty talk I am not soo mature when it comes to that stuff…I hadda set the phone down more than once so that I didnt bustah gut laughng!!!

PAW69 didyah tour the Body Farm???

Bumpy, mmmm, no I didn’t tour it.

Still listening to the show. I’m getting impressed now.

The alligator part is where I’m at now.

The show seemed to have to warm up and get progressively better, PAW. I think each show will improve.

No the show wus great this time..it had its akward moments tho..didnt it….but one half dozen or anuthr..

PAW69 after the show go up to the Body Farm link they have vids and pics of the place…

Pickles said,in December 8th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

Yeah, the beginning was slow, but it’s getting good now.

There was decomp on the shovel?

Dude have you heard me laugh real loud frum Sean dude sayng Lee wus wuntng to hire a b~~ to be his assistant???

The report says no decomp on the shovel. Check it out below to confirm for yourself. Relevant snippets and the link to the full report below.

It says (about the shovel):

‘One small hair fragment (less than 1/4 inch long) exhibiting Caucasian characteristics was was recovered from the label adhering to the lower portion of the handle of the Q46 shovel. This hair has been designated as specimen Q46.2…’

‘Therefore, both CASEY ANTHONY and CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY can be *excluded* as the source of the Q46.2 hair.’

‘No other hairs or fibers were observed on the Q46 shovel, the labels adhering to the handle of the shovel, or the label removed from the blade of the shovel, specimen Q46.1.’

‘No latent prints of value…’

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/1024/17794795.pdf

i see she did not want to deal with him at all, why would she, so he too can turn everything 360 around, like i said, he wanted a spot on nancy grace, which i watch everynight, I think the woman is so emotially messed up from this thanks to her daugher, but quite frankly pickles, I was not impressed with this guy, and i hate to hear someone suffering from cancer, but i did not understand why he crushed her after the emails, and then he went in to such defence mode

I just went to the body farm site…it says that it takes only a few hours of death for flies to find the body and start laying eggs…two days later the maggots appear….that explains 2.5 days of decomp. with maggots in the trunk…

do we know if the length of the maggots in the car were published? IT says that 15mm in length, the maggots have been feeding off the body for one week?

I hate it when Life calls and I do not get to read the blog. Forgive me if I am behind.

I imagine that after the Larry King Show, there will be a new “Caylee” sighting in, uh, Hawaii. Or perhaps Fiji. Somewhere with nice little umbrellas in the drinks.

mytwocents - that was a lovely fantasy. I tried to replay it in my mind but my Anthony family all spoiled it by pointing to the person who brought them poor little Caylee and saying, in unison, “What did you DO?”. I think your version is nicer.

Also, I am not sure I can blame LE for not picking up on the car (since it was probably safely stowed away in the garage). I’m sure that originally Melich was simply sent out to investigate a kidnapping/child abuse type situation - that is his specialty. The dead body/car smell was not mentioned until the very last 911 call - probably already after he had been dispatched. The operator may not have thought it was actually a homicide case simply because Cindy mentioned the car smelled like a dead body. Otherwise they would have sent out a homicide detective instead of a missing persons/child neglect officer.

I’ll bet it was later, when they were putting all of the paperwork together from the previous shift that somebody noticed the part of Cindy’s last frantic call about the car. That, and after the bogus Universal tour, was when the homicide boys began to get really involved. Clever of George and Cindy to leave that out of the original reports…maybe they just needed a bit extra time with that Dustbuster and cleaning solvent.

I am only sorry it might not have occurred to LE that it was only Casey that was covering up. They were probably fooled by the fact that it was her parents who called it in and did not think they would be hiding evidence but were truly looking for their granddaughter.

I wus only tryng to be compassionate towards dooder..cus its hard to go thru whut he is going thru Im sur…thats all…I didnt agree with evrythng eithr..

Like c and g trademarking Caylees name…ok fine sum crak head wus sellng shirts to fuel her addiction…fine ..but dunt thay have more important things to accomplish then that??

My mom would have pulled everyinch of hair out of me and i would sit in jail and rot too, BUT, if she is in severe emotional denial, and hysteria, she might not be excepting the fact that her daughter is the way she is….And from what i can see of this psycho daughter, she is a great manipulative piece of work..Can fool her own parents….This is my take, I don’t think the grandma is all there any more….

Ohh no if by grandma you mean cindy..no she is not all ther anymore…no not at all..she has lost it…mentally…emotionally..yupp not all ther!!!

He has like completely falln off the map..gone vanishd just like Caylee…whered he go..I heard on NG the othr day that he dusnt even live on Hopespring dr..and that he is an accountant up town….I mean do ppl kno fur sur he is around still

yep i think so too, I know that alot of people are against the grandparents, but since the beginning, i have observed the grandmother, and i will just say, I was once in a similar situation here at home many many years ago, with a two year old daughter, course my story was alot different, but i was non the less a victim of a crime, and I guess I can feel for C, cause she is acting like me many years ago, which i won’t get into right now, and I was on meds too, that is why this case is so compelling to me….I see pain in her, denial, loss of herself, I see her hubby as trying to do the right thing but also protect her. And from my experince in the past the police will twist everything for there case….That is why I jumped in finally on this blog..I hope I am not offending anyone………

Val…..

Now I am laughing Thankyou !!!!!!!!!!!

See dats whut the report says…spanks..Skippy fur yur investigating !!!

Pickles you should start writing the screenplay for that scenario. It’s more plot than most movies these days.

I would also like to re-phrase what I said before about the show.

I wasn’t impressed with the beginning of the show. It seemed very slow to get anywhere. But later it did pick up a lot. I wasn’t specifically talking about the “special guest” himself.

I apologize if it came out wrong to anyone. I should have used better wording, and that was my fault.

All in all it was a good show nonetheless.

debbielynn - your generosity is admirable. I can sympathize to a degree because as I have gone through missing persons scenarios as well and had family members that could have easily turned into miniature Caseys. Nothing like this, but it is frightening and horrible and very difficult to keep it together when you are in the middle of such a nightmare. My heart goes out to you - it is so hard to predict all the things you will do when you are under that kind of stress.

I think the thing that obliterated our general sympathy or empathy with this family is how they were so willing from day one to put the blame on everyone else but themselves and how indignant they were that no one was willing to immediately investigate a clearly fabricated story. The fact that they have used the media to dramatize the situation and collect help and money, but seem to spend very little of their time actually looking for their missing loved one, the fact they have been vituperous and rude to anyone who tried to help outside of their narrowly proscribed guidelines - (which only involve finding a live Caylee because their daughter is facing a murder sentence), the fact that they have completely alienated most everyone who has tried to help them - creates a situation in which whatever sympathy we could have easily given them at some point has completely evaporated.

Cindy may be drugged to the nines and secretly grieving, but she never loses a single opportunity to drag herself in front of a camera or a national television interview. And the focus is never on simply finding Caylee - it’s about creating the impression that we need to believe in a live Caylee so that it syncs with her claim that she raised a perfect daughter who became a perfect mom. The ulterior motive here is so thinly disguised it no longer seems ulterior.

debbielynn - You are a kind and compassionate person and you have some experience that is relevant. Many of us have tried very hard to maintain our initial compassion for C & G but they’ve done beat it out of us. They’ve just gone too far and are no longer believable even as grandparents of a missing child. No doubt C has a mental condition at this point that is not being treated and I am sorry for her. But it is (and has been over the years) C’s own refusal to see her daughter - and deal with her - as she really is: a lying, stealing and now killing sociopath that has landed her in this situation.
She stopped cooperating with the police just a few days after the 911 calls because she did not want them or anyone else looking for Caylee in any condition other than alive. What grandparents do that? She KNOWS her daughter lied to her for a month and insists it was all ‘code” for what was really happening.
Poor little Caylee has been left by the wayside at this point in the effort to simply make it not have happened! And to get M out of jail. In fact I think getting M out is secondary to C’s main goal which is to be able to insist to her dying day that Caylee is alive. For that reason Caylee may never have a proper burial and - given everything she’s done from destroy and withhold evidence to appearing on talk shows - she may get that sick daughter of hers off. That’s a nightmare for us and one for which we cannot have any compassion. It’s a total injustice! At least IMO.

Novalis…that wus stupendous…

Jooo000h are a wunderful writer..!!!

There are some exceptionally good writers here; makes my addiction to this site even worse!

Pickles and novalis - what about this twist?

George racks up some heavy gambling bills, not all of them legal, which is why he creates the “internet scam” story for the police. He is the one that owes big time. The first $30k was the beginning of the repayment. He never paid any more cause his credit was exhausted, so they stole what they thought was his car, but turned out to be the one Casey drives, complete with kid in it. They sell the kid off to slavery, use the car in a crime which involves a dead body in the trunk. The car stinks so bad after they dispose of the body, they decide the best way to get rid of the evidence is to park it back at the George’s house and hopefully pin the whole thing on him as punishment for non-payment.

Meantime, Casey is so stoned, she thinks she left the car in a bar parking lot, but cannot remember which one, which is why she visits all of them in the Orlando area in June. When it shows up back at home, she jumps in and drives off, then notices the horrible smell, decides she must have hit a squirrel or two.

Since Caylee was not in the car when Casey got it back, she believes she lost her somewhere on a druken binge and starts making up back stories to cover her tracks, hiding from Cindy that the child is missing.

George and Casey eventually compare notes when Lee pieces it altogether and forces them to sit down and come up with one cover story.

Obviously, this scenario is way out there, but it would explain several of the more bizarre details of the case. Like why Lee and Casey are speaking in some crazy weird code on the jail tapes they seem to have concocted before she was arrested. And how Lee seems to know more than anyone else about the case, but has now dissappeared (on the trail of the slavery ring or is next on the loan shark’s list). And why Casey looks at Cindy when Cindy asks who she is protecting and Casey states mom already knows who she is protecting and why. And why some of the jail tape convos seem so contrived, as if planned to show that Casey has emotions (I think Cindy thought they would be released immediately, which explains all the loaded questions she asks Casey).

And, just in case you wonder where it fits in, Casey borrowed the shovel to bury the squirrels she thought were dead in the trunk before she opened it and realized it was only a really old empty pizza box.

mytwocents-The Original said,in December 8th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

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mytwocents - we are sharing a wavelength lol!

Novalis! Thanks for having me along!

Welp I like the way you two put it…

Mytwocents…love it!!!

Lee is in hiding because he has come to the truth about his sister and the baby, he is grieving hard, while the grandparents are caught up in the psychopaths drama, which is where she wants them to be

Yah I have always said that killr is the puppet master till I talkd to our Attorney the othr day..and he seems to think that bb is the puppet master out fur the glory..on his resume…..Muahahahahaha…

It wuld of been a chemical cocktail…she wulda got the needle…pretty befitting considering she felt Caylee wus old enuff for sedatives…to bad she had to PPD her way outta it…poor grown woman..with ppd oh had to cram yer mouth full of junk and rent movies instead of love and care for yer child…I hate her..

spacely 4:12 post LOL LOL

good one

ok, i am trying to figure out the c and the name abbrev is that so nobody can sue? Must be….oh geez I am not afraid…..

deblynn

we abbreviate here

ok I’ll try this
M-monster or as pickles says KILLER lol
C- cindy
G-George
LV-lee anthony
BB-baez -butterball
LE-law enforcement

guys am I forgetting anyone? there was the count(count dracula) but hes gone now
(that was the attorney who briefly represented ants)

mytwocents - my bad. I should have said continue to investigate a story that was fabricated. LE did an admirable job with that and many other thousands of crazy outlandish tips that subsequently came in that would have tried the patience of a saint.

Spacely, that is another wonderful alternative universe for the Anthonys to inhabit perhaps for legal purposes, but it does not explain Cindy’s frantic 911 calls, her arriving at Tony’s to drag her daughter home and Cindy telling LE the elaborate stories Casey kept telling about Zani and her out of town trips. It doesn’t explain the backyard swimming pool accident story they concoct for LE to make them think their daughter was simply covering up an accident not a murder, it doesn’t explain an enormous amount of things they tell both LE and FBI in interviews that are inconsistent with such a story. If they had told that story at the outset it might have worked. A little late on the draw for it to be convincing now.

Casey and Lee do not seem to me to be talking in code at all, they seem to realize that absolutely anything they say can and will be used in a court of law to incriminate her or their family. They are not naming names so that LE does not have the jump on the family scrambling around to create to authenticate some story or lead that can misdirect the investigation.

In other words, if George owed someone that money, he would have never let his innocent little brat spend a night in jail for child neglect, much less murder. He would have called LE the minute he found that car at Johnson’s and told them it had been stolen and that he owed someone horrible money and that person had probably taken his granddaughter.

Having to wait until Casey was home to create the story would not have happened. (Please pass that along to BB if you think he would be interested - just don’t think a jury would buy that number).

Who is the Ants? and what do you call Mr.Paddilawack

Uhh Debbielynn we to are not afraid..we just dunt feel it necassary to type out there full names if you soo choose to fully type ther name..cool..nine cats tails under a rocker jah kno!!!

MTC you are cracking me up… when i read everytime about lee and that dog dish!!!!!

LMAO( deblynn) laughing my A** off)

Who is going to explain the Sunshine Law?

Sorry I doubled up on our nicknames, pammyliz! Didn’t see it!

WHo twists evrything…LE and the media..so the media twists evrythng frum LE or LE twists it all???

Spacely - good idea about the movie. I still think Tim Burton and John Waters should direct. And make it a macabre little musical for our viewing pleasure.

debbielynn - I would like to believe that Lee is grieving. But I am still haunted by that callous, horrible laugh he had when he told LE about how bad the smell was in the car. And the high five picture when Casey was bonded. Sometimes I think that entire family just has fried synapses! They are sort of like Coneheads when it comes to assimilating emotions normally.

So is it leaked or is it the Sunshine Law??? Cus I dunt see how LE has twisted anything..I mean ..whut have they dun…besides get a murderer behind bars???

Oh and I use to prefer to call killr waste of a souless skank..but that wus to long to type..

Hey Debbielynn how does LE twist evrything??? I am curious to kno..?? I have heard this before and have always wundered whut they are twisting..

debbielynn- Florida’s sunshine law enables the media to get all this stuff. It’s not LE leaking it. LE has no choice.

What we have seen ( have you?) are real videos - long ones - of interviews and the jail visits and hundreds of pages of statements and documents. They are not twisted.

Lots is left out of course. But nothing that could get M off the hook that’s for sure.

The 911 calls are heartbreaking. After that, though… no more. She went on the offensive and I mean that with both definitions of the word.

Hay Anna !!! sapponin??

ok deblynn

why do you say that? I too am curious as to why you think that?

Yes I agree, but go back to the beginning with every investigation, in the beginning is when they interogate a person, because everything is more natural and fresh, that is what they hold onto the most, not the later on stories, its the beginning when it happened, that is usually the truth….Investigators, always get you in right away, because after you can change your stories…so i am going on that of THE ANTS haha, original tapes, police, “Smells like a dead body”, L in the garage with the killer talking to her, killer changing her story left and right, making her own movie in the beginning, that was the point when the Ants lost it right there, and L tried at first to help his sister, but after denial comes reality and i think the meds are blocking the reality into these ants G & C…..

debbielynn at 4:47 So far I agree with that. I think we all do. So I am unclear about what we disagree on????? Maybe exactly when C went on the meds?

Well i can say about the twisting of the LE from experience, when i was interogated way back, everything i said was not accurate with the police reports. I read the reports and remembered saying “I never said that” what are they doing to me, the i retained a lawyer, then i got a small tape recorder so they could no longer twist what i said….. And this really happens, let me tell you…..They can rip you apart….Whether your guilty or innocent…..

I think the meds help c actually I have seen a cuple of interviews where she is LOADED..and she is calm rational and level headed…she licks her mouth and lips alot but she makes sense…and somwhat norml remarks…

yah but deblynn

you heard her own talking on that interrogation and I myself listened to them in their entirety , a good hour and a half… and she was in no way making any sense and they were good with her…and couldn’t possibly have twisted what she said cause what she said made NO SENSE!!!!!!!

debbielynn I am sorry that happened to you but you cannot assume it happens in every case and certainly not in this one. Have you heard the audio recording of the interview with M at Univeral before she was arrested? Or seen any of C & G’s interviews with LE or the FBI?
They are not edited.

she even admitted to lying and giving false info but has never given any other story except that zanni pushed her down at bpark and took caylee, nothing truthfull le could go on

Hello MMT! Good to see you!!!

Yah It takes so long to catch up readin on the blog…I am off today is only reason I am able to chat for awhile with you guys…
and about her saying that yah if shes saying to C mom please, then why bother even telling ANY details, you would just clam up period.

Hi, MMT!
Thank you so much for pointing out that little slip of M’s. (past tense to present tense)
It looked like C caught it too. That’s another reason I have a big problem with C.
I think she DOES know that M did it and Caylee is dead and she’s still acting the way she is.
Just awful.

She has to givn anuthr story..remember that letter her defense team released…bout her being emotionally not right..and that IF Caylee is dead…

That letter said nothng bout Zanieda or Zanny….

I wonder is there still a link to that initial interrogation of M? that deblynn could listen to?

cause i heard it all, and they no way twisted anything she said…

shes the only twisted individual…. they even at the end, started OVER with her, they just gave up!!!

i think both c&g know but are putting up this sharade to get m off, its happened to e1 we know something but really dont want to believe it, probably nothing a serious as this but exp. a spouse cheating, you know but dont want to believe

i think on local13 florida news they have alot of stuff from the beginning or wftv, or local6 orlando, thoes are the ones i go to

Mytwocents…of course c knows killr killd Caylee..I mean..she cleaned that trunk out..she knows..she isnt a permanent resident of the turnip truck..she knows..and all this is to wash away the stains her daughtr has created..it is to keep her own concious clean…she is doing this to right a wrong she has taken upon herself and faulted herself for..she is insane….If she can convince the world that Caylee is alive in Puerto Rico,or Gainsville,or New Mexico or Texas…or fargin Hollywood California…then she can get killr out of jail..and go on like Caylee never xistd…only to b called upon when somone comes a knockn on the ant cave door lookn fur a story…..c is doing this purely out of her own selfish reasoning…to free her daugthr..and right whutevr wrong it is she feels caused this…she is on a mission..I dont think c will ever admit Caylee is dead…even if they provide her with concrete evidence..and killr is sent away for life…I think she will continue with it…thanks no less to kidlosrs support I am sur…

Some LE is shady..but I think the tapes we have seen and the docs are genuine..

pickles yep c is so filled with guilt for letting it get to this that she wont admit if she had payed a little more attention or stoped m from doing things in the past( made her accountable) this whole mess wouldnt have happened, heck who wouldnt feel some guilt but not to this extreme!

I can also say that when there is a child investigation, of missing, abused or murdered child, the police investigation, under privacy to protect the interest of the child, not anyone else, have a law to protect any info relating to her death, wearabouts, or whatsover, concerning her and until she is found, or turns 18 she cannot see the evidence, nor is it open to the pulic…….Any documents are held in protective custody, either in a cold case or closed until child has access, parents cannot even see report…..

lol no pickles i was telling deblynn about the hairbrush thing with C.. to show deblynn that C isn’t all shes projecting herself to be either, i see that too, even tho i have some sympathy still towards her

But when your hysterical, you appear to be a turnip that just got hit by a truck, think i said this wrong….

debbielynn at 5:07 That’s interesting. I didn’t know that but it’s perfectly understandable. I guess in this case all the info LE has (that’s relevant) will all come out because it’s a murder trial.

but being hysterical and lying and changing stories dont add up there is only 1 truth but many lies!

well the deblynn in this case all info pertaining to caylee has come into the public. sooo.. that makes it clear now that LE isnt revealing it, its just getting out, because of the media hype over this case..

yes you will be surprised when this all comes out at trial….My daughter when she was 18 talked to the detective that handled our case, and she and only she, course she is alive, thankgod, can read this and have access to it..

what is your take on this case deblynn, how and why do you think M did this to caylee???
we all have a general theory, (one that we can form) because it is indeed a strange case… but what is your thinking on the why? and how? and motive? I am curious…

There isn’t enough science to convince C and if there were she’d say it was a mistake - on purpose or by accident. There is no way she’ll believe it. Which makes me worry that maybe she will NEVER shut up and every year and then every few years some reporter who’s hard-up for a story will knock on her door and she’ll rant and rave at them that they just had a sighting from Italy or the moon or somewhere.
Oh dear me.

Silly Pickly! Read novalis at 4:49 pm about the Sunshine Law - explains why media has all this.

I kno bout the sunshine law ..but Debbielyn said that a childs file and record are to be kept confindential and private…but Caylees is everywhere I wus wundring if that has to do with the law sunshine!!!

Pickles at 5:18 Yes. And the problem is that somewhere in her mind she still knows it. That is what is making her sick and there’s no getting better from that - except the truth pill. And that’s one she will never swallow.

Doood she cleaned up rott and decomp juicey stains out of that car..she is gunna go nuttz IF she ever does admit to herself..truelly she is gunna wunta die..knowing she cleaned Caylees bleehhh out of that car….

LMAO pickles you are bad…lol lol you just cannot get over that filthy pic came out…lol

deblynn? I hope she didn’t leave… she has some good posts..deblynn? come back, we can enlighten you on some facts we know??? and it seems you have some knowlegde of child laws…

I think it is so funny that Mytwocents points out that C will never accept that Caylee is dead, even if they had a perfectly preserved body right in front of her.

It is so funny because you are absolutely right, she would deny it was her grandchild, yet she recognizes her in every blurry cell phone cam pic “discovered” by Kid Finders and demands that someone come forward and prove to her that is not Caylee.

thanks deblynn … I agree with some of it, so your not seeing the pre-med here, well lets see NECK BREAKING SEARCHES, what about the pre-searches done on the puter??? and your right we may never know, but its clear you feel ants have no hand in any of it from knowledge to coverup?

debbielynn said,in December 8th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

That is the perfect PPD defense for killr when she goes to trial..it fits perfectly with the letter that lemon submittd the “whut IF” letter..

NO NO PPD No post partum depression…!! I don’t agree with that part deblynn, that this had any ppd aspects.

C will never believe caylee is dead cause she feels she is the one that pushed m and prob. feels a tremendous amount of guilt and she knows m did it….so as long as she can carry on the fantasy that caylee is alive she doesn’t have to face her role in the baby’s death, and thus doesn’t have to face the death at all..sorry this was from a while back but wanted to say that!

i believe, she did not deliberatly do this to kill the baby,

That is whut there defense is gunna rest on…with the whole ppd card..is that statment there…Debbielynn you may of hit the nail on the hammer considering this woman killd her child to go out and have a good time..and be rid of the headache that child gave her…and now gets to take the easy way out…cus of that statement right there….

I still say that “Mattie” is C! I was reading the posts on the last blog before reading these, and the final post is from Mattie…posted after all you “regulars” had moved on…
In response to that post (I know I’m a little late on this, but just got home from work now): Mattie, you’re certainly entitled to your beliefs…but what are you basing your opinion on? Other than “Caylee’s MySpace page”, which is posted and orchestrated by the Anthonys themselves? Your comments are word for word, verbatim, the exact stuff that Cindy spews…but whenever other bloggers question you to explain WHY you believe that stuff, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you disappear or refuse to answer/explain. I’m not trying to bash your opinion, I’m just fascinated by the few people who continue to believe that way - and would like to get a better understanding of why they do…
Do you honestly see sincerity coming from Casey in those videos? Are you watching the same one we are?

Well, if Padilla is in it for the money - the ants happily took 50 grand from him for M’s bail and did not give him any info so that he could look for Zanny and the child. So he’s certainly entitled to get that back somehow although I don’t see how he’s making any money up to now. So you don’t think he should have bailed M out? He shouldn’t have offered to look for - what he thought at the time was a kidnapping nanny and living child?
Or are you displeased that he is now looking for a dead child? At his own expense and with volunteers.

mytwocents - how can we believe that George last saw Caylee at 1pm on the 16th? That is not the first or even second story he and C came up with. And if you listen, he is “gosh darned sure” because he was watching some food show he likes and always watches.

I watch TV programs too, but I could not give you a specific date and time I saw a particular one.

The most disturbing part is that if you grandchild was missing for more than a month and you had several days to think about it before the cops talked to you, would you show up with the wrong date multiple times?

It seems to me that there was a concentrated effort by the Ants to make June 8 or 9th the last day they saw her. Which tells me that something happened during that next week that they don’t want to be connected to. Or that they were hoping someone else would come forward as the last person to see Caylee, perhaps with the hopes of pinning it all on the luckless soul.

And I think that Debbielynns statement about killr not doing this intentionally is going to be whut the defense is bankin on the jury believing cus the ants and bb are singng two diff tunes…I havnt heard bb say one thing bout zanieda since that letter wus submittd to LE!!

oooohhhhhh I think that pre-meditation was there no doubt, don’t forget she is a pshychopathic person, but i remember the frantic calls from killer to her parents on that day from her cell phone, as if that ws the moment she found baby in trunk

I agree with that deblynn about the ‘flurry” of phone calls… is aid that too for a long time, why all the calls on that day. mom dad mom dad, like over and over…. I don’t know its all confusing which is why I am still here, still boggling my mind, ging back and forth lol

lol true pickles lol

Again, in reply to Mattie’s post from earlier today, on previous blog (mattie said,
in December 8th, 2008 at 1:14 pm):
Mattie:
When you say “there was no dead body in the car, none…nothing proves that” - what about the decomposing hair that was found? What about the supposed stain in the trunk? What about the stench?
And when you say, “this family deserves more than what the media throws at them all the time” - then why do THEY continue to go to the media? And if, for some reason, they truly believe that appearing on National TV is going to help them, why have they NOT ONCE asked Caylee’s supposed kidnappers to return her? Wouldn’t they PLEAD for that, given the national forum, if they truly believed she was out there?

I did go back to old post justnow and read matties post.. i wouldn’t even acknowlegde it myself… who knows who it is.. who cares even lol

You guys are right - I know its not really a big deal. I just got chills when I read that post & it got me all fired up!

Everybody I know (including myself )is a lawyer, Judge, or police officer, or probation officer.

The one thing I know is that offenders like to criticize police. Perhaps that is where some people get their experience with the legal system.

sharebear, thank you for your 5:58 pm comment!

I agree!

Audrey - Her post gave me chills too. I just didn’t like it to be the last post with no responses. So I put one. I think your response above could be copied and pasted and go there too if you have time.

Yes, C washed the pants when they brought the car home before she called 911. She did not call 911 until she had dragged M back from Tony’s and demanded to know where Caylee was.
That’s when M spun the story about the nanny taking her “31 days ago.”

Pretty harsh statement there sharebear…
5:58 post

Sharebear - No doubt it’s where some people get their experience with LE. But I’m sure all the experiences are not bad in that way or result in a totally negative attitude toward LE forever. I hope!

Mytwocents said “MMT - Would you please re-post your observation in the jail visit video where C told M “When they find Caylee, you can come home and tell everything that happened.” And what M responded and what it meant?”

M2C, I’m glad you asked that because I really don’t think I made myself clear the first time I posted that. I will look for it now and repost it in a better version of what I thought it meant.

Pammyliz… I think sharebear was talking in general, she didn’t mean debbielynn!

Debbielynn… I hope you know that we didn’t mean you.

thanks MMT.. nice to see you hear BTW and thanks for clarifying cause I was hoping it wasn’t towards anyone.

we have new peeps all the time, with differing ipinions, most agree M did it, (cept mattie, lol)… and one other I can think of, but just the other details wavers abit with people, to not debate with others well this would be a boring blog

I hope deblynn comes back

and others too… who are missing.,

MMT I thought your observation was great and clear! I just didn’t want to try to put it in my words. The way you put it was better and I’m going to add it to my “clippings.” They are meager but I thought I’d start a little file of my fave comments. Thank you!

Audrey: I really have to re-think the whole day of June 15 now. The first things I heard long ago were the 911 calls. I believed them to be genuine. Only later did we learn the details of when they picked up the car and what else went on that day.
Today is the first time I’m putting all that together. I haven’t thought about it fully but at the moment I am still leaning toward the calls being real. C finally realizing that Caylee was missing and she was frantic. Maybe pushed the smell right out of her head that day and G left without making it clear to her what it really was. I don’t know.

Hey peeps!!! Miss you all! This just came to my inbox. What a load of @#!$ ! BB wanted these tips so badly to prove LE wrong. Hasn’t touched them…

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Anthony Defense Team Leaves Discs Full Of Tips
Monday, December 8, 2008 – updated: 5:07 pm EST December 8, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Although Casey Anthony’s family and her lawyers claim her missing daughter Caylee is alive, information that could help find her has been abandoned at the Orange County Sheriff’s Office for an entire month.

Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, went to court demanding access to those tips but he hasn’t examined them yet. Casey Anthony is charged with murder in connection with the child’s death although her body has not been found.

On November 5, 2008, Baez said, “We all believe she’s alive and if these tips, if there’s one credible tip in that 5,000, it’s worth us going through them.”

He’s received repeated reminders that the tips, which took 50 hours and $980 to compile, were ready for him to pick up.

Baez filed a court motion asking for “any police investigation reports or any other similar documentation… Which involves the investigation of tips, leads and follow-ups… On sightings of Caylee.” Baez’s spokesman says the Sheriff’s Office has misled them in the past, implying the abandoned discs don’t contain tips of Caylee sightings. He said that even though the defense hasn’t looked at them yet. He also said that Baez “could maybe already know what’s on those discs.”

The Sheriff’s Office offered to let the defense team look at all the tips it wants after it’s paid for the work that’s already been done. So far, Baez has not done that.

Baez is scheduled back in court Thursday for a pre-trial hearing, on Casey Anthony’s murder charges.

Hi guys,

Have been busy with trapping feral cats.
Anyway, the recently released info really did not reveal anything new. Only that M still doesnot show any emotions about her daughter missing. Am more convinced now that Caylee’s death was not accidently but deliberately. M worries more about her appearence and her prison food than Caylee. The Ants are either incredible stupid or very cunning. Probably both.
BB is beginning to appear more as a Svengali character and has M pretty well in his tentacles. M fully deserve him as an attorney though IMO.
I still think that Caylee was never buried in the backyard because of the two yorkies the Ants have.
I think M put Caylee in trunk and after a few days used shovel to put Caylee in one of the many lidded storage containers the Ants have in the garage but kept Caylee in trunk and disposed of body later. M might have cleaned shovel in swimming pool prior to giving it back to neighbor. Am sure it has a chlorine filter, that keeps the water clean. Could explain hint of decomposition in yard and ladder left at swimming pool.

Gumshoe,

So nice to see you. Thought I was all alone.

After a couple of weeks, who would know if shovel was cleaned/washed. Burner said it looked clean when he got it back.It just has some staining on the metal part if I recall.. The hair was stuck to label and could have been there since it was bought. Not even sure , if it was stored inside a shed or out in the open. Multiple rains in FLA.

I dunt think “Mattie” is an ant..I think its some ant fan or sum body messng with us..cus they kno how to get us going…..IF “Mattie” is a ant groupie….he/she whutevr needs help!!!

Padilla says she’s murdered on June 16th, around 2 a.m. which would mean G was lying. How would it help M to lie about that? Was the water treatment plant cell phone ping at 4 a.m. the 16th?

Posted on December 8th, 2008 by Jan Barrett and read 1,371 times. follow the crumbs

I didn’t come on to the show to impress people. I came onto the show, despite my health, because we all have questions regarding the case.

I have worked tiredlessly on this case since the beginning. While you can criticize me for my use of language, it’s easy for people to be taken back from the real story.

George has fluttering eyes, it’s freaky. Watch a video of GA and you’ll see.

As for me wanting to go on NG, that was Cindy’s doing. It was a follow up e-mail because she didn’t want to confront Padilla.

As for the shovel, why do you think cadavier dogs kept picking up scents in the backyard. When the shovel was collected, there was no traced decomp. Of course, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t in one of the hit zones.

Not many know who I am, that’s fine. I took the time out of my stay here to commit to doing an interview and to share some of things that I am aware of. I’m sorry for some it wasn’t “entertaining” enough. I was a bit taken aback by some comments, but you can’t please everyone.

There are a lot of things I cannot discuss because Melich has asked me not to. Instead of respecting that, I get ridiculed by some. Makes no sense but that’s fine.

There’s only some much lies that you can continue to listen to and after doing a lot for Cindy, it wasn’t worth it. The context of the e-mails, the head games that she was playing, she wanted Belich and myself to print out the information she sent to people.

E-Mails tell one side of a story, phone calls tell another. I am appauled by the actions of Cindy, information I can’t go into, but understand, when the interview is released to the public, then you’ll know why.

Ohh Sean dunt let them bothr you….You were great..and we appreciate you taking time out to join us and answer quetions for us!!..Butt like you said you cant please em all….Im sorry you had to read those things…

Sean - Your comment “I am appauled by the actions of Cindy …”

She continues to “appaul” every time she appears in the media! Yes, we can easily imagine. That aspect of Cindy’s is one of the few contants in this case.

hairbrush, washing pants, blaming Jesse & Amy … just to name a few off the top of my head.

In other words, we can easily imagine for now, until we’ll “know” later, after your interview is released.

Hi again Sean, As the above comentator is refurring to I am brand new to blog not to case. I went on this blog yesterday first time, I have supported the Anthony mom and dad all this time..I am a NG supporter…I read the blogs here and I went to your website, i listened to the radio station and I not knowing who you were, got real defensive with what I read…I was being honest about my feeling about the Anthony’s..I have left some blogs on here, and its ovbious they don’t like my comments and feelings…i don’t care if people don’t like what I say…I can change my opinion tho, when I see concrete proof, which I have only heard not much other than peoples opionon of her and of George…Heck we all have opionions…. Excuse me for not being a regular…….

Thanks pammy. I hope he read our nice comments, too!

But I’m sure the negative ones stood out. (insert blushing emoticon) I was really embarrased and wanted to shout, “Those people aren’t regulars! We don’t think this way!”

Whut the heck??? I wus just apologizing to Sean that he had to read those things….No one is botherd by your comments or feelings…I just think its important to let Sean kno that not everyone here feels the way some others do…thats all…

i am in between blogs LMAO

I am the in between blog whore tonight…

hey if this a special click, I like my opinion too! unless i agree with one of yours i will continue with my own opinion….Yes i am not a regular, and i did see other blasts on the blogs as well. But just wanted to be sure that i said what i had to say…And if i screw up, I will correct myself!!!!!

lol lets all give sean a big GROUP HUG!!!!! from blogger news friends!!!

debbielynn - I was referring to the rude comments made about Sean personally (way up above in the blog), not referencing someone’s opinion on the case. Big difference.

I respect your opinion completely, and of course, those with differing opinions are welcome here.

If you choose to sympathize with the Ants, then that’s up to you. Most of us here did too, before she began her “appauling” behavior, such as interfering with the investigation into her own grandaughter’s disappearance (hairbrush, washing pants, constant lies). We don’t understand why her actions seem to show her turning her back on Caylee. That’s how most of us here view the situation.

lol lol yes big hug from all of us and a special thanks too…

Well I was asked by Simon to come back so I will be returning. I think the show needs some expansion to answer the bulk of questions, as people have a lot.

I have a strong heart, I just don’t understand why some people are upset because of my language I use. I run an uncensored news site, I don’t conform or change, I’m just me. I’ll continue to offer my help to those who do care. People are always wanting more, somethings I can’t speak on, but for what I do know, it’s good to have someone who knows what is going on.

I am sooo totally lost here..I wus just letting Sean kno that we all appreciate him and that I am sorry that there were not so nice comments…and okie dokie..allrighty then…

Okay so we all group hugged…word to yur mothr!!!

I think its way cool your coming back! like you said still so much to talk about…

ok, i don’t think she washed those pants to clear any leads…..I don’t think she gave the wrong brush to hide evidence…I see her as a stupid person who could not do that…I see her as a real passive person, not a criminal type…I see her as I said walking upside down on her head…Does not make her a into obstruction of justice…Does this, or her facial expressions? And why is C still grilling there daughter for info on tapes on NG, and until I see what sean cannot say, i still think she’s innocent and dumb

Sean - I’m thrilled to hear you’ll be back, and I’m glad we got the chance to let you know that most of us here have actually done the homework, instead of just relying on speculation or newsclips (I know it helps to know what your audience knows).

Thanks for agreeing to return!

PAW69….to qute…to qute…

How is choking yur daughtr out to near unconciousness a passive person..cus isnt that whut c did to killr.??

deblynn
above post

I do agree on that one, C reminds me of a very passive person ( although dominating over G)

lol see? hes got to come back now for sure, he has a new blogger wanting to blog with him LOL

You kno I have always said she is in total denial…just plain ol denial…and if she dusnt ever admit that Caylee is dead then she dunt have to admit that killr is a killr…

Ahh I see Pammy I am not fully understanding of the whole passive thing…

Oh yah I kno she obstructed and hindered and destroyd…but she is still in phyco lady denial…

SeanKrause said,in December 8th, 2008 at 8:54 pm I didn’t come on to the show to impress people
Sean, I appreciate you coming on the show, and I want you to know that the people who put you down are not the regulars on this blog. They are newcomers who have not been following this case as closely as us. Now, having said that, please do try not to use curse words on radio. We do use them on the blog, like a$$, b—-h, hoe, skank, and other words, so I guess the kettle shouldn’t call the pot black, lol. You are on my prayer list, I hope and pray you will win this battle with cancer, and you need to use your strength to fight it. Also you need a positive attitude, so please just concentrate on getting well. And I hope you will continue to fight for what you think is right. People will always second guess other people’s motives. It is just the human condition. Bless you! JMO

PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE woman married tauretts man and created a bipolar baby PICKLES THATS IT I SOLVED THE CASE

Who has bi-polar..do not tell me they are sayng killr is bi-polar..cmon are you kiddng..

The point that car smelled like death, C knew. Common sense says she knew.

If it smells not right, looks not right, sounds not right,,,, IT’S NOT RIGHT.

C KNEW and she cleaned up the mess and now she’s trying to save Casey’s a$$ by leading everyone on a goose chase.

debbie: your question, “And why is C still grilling there daughter for info on tapes on NG”

My response: C is not “still” grilling her daughter. Those tapes were from July & August. Casy’s parents have not visited her in quite some time.

I agree to disagree with you about C’s intentions when she washed pants, knowing they came from a crime scene. And frankly, the emails regarding the hairbrush speak for themselves (she admitted to what she did, even including her so-called “excuse”).

We do agree on one aspect of Cindy–she’s shall we say, not very intelligent.

forget Post partum we’re now onto a new disorder, BI-POLAR or.. whatever defense can claim is her disorder and try to get her off with it…

now we learn G has taurettes syndrome LMAO

LMAO!!! deblynn OMG

so C could now be nicknamed THE CHOKER??? LOL LOL

Hey Sean says watch his face I will next time….Look I can be funny too!!!!!!And opionated….

Hey Pickles, Pammyliz, e1 Just breezing in, for a few, be so glad when all this church stuff is over, miss you guy so much!!!!!

Yea I need more evidence on C

Dats cool Debbielynn…

PAW - 10:27 pm comment. YES! YES! YES!

pammy - So she dances on both sides of the pole?

deblynn stay awhile this good group of bloggers has alot on C maybe you don’t know, and.. sean is coming back maybe next sunday on the radio? and can give us some more

CIT exactly! LOL

seems she flutters from having serious post partum to bi-polar… and yet he did say to NG no, we’re not saying INSANITY defense just disorders…like NG said 50% of manhattan is bi=polar.

debbie - Sorry, I should have included the quote. I was referring to this comment of yours: ” see her as a real passive person, not a criminal type”

Tex bout her not being passive, whutchoo said…is whut I said…

OMG pickles too too funny!!!!!!!!!!!! choking it on down…lol

OMG and this Airport lady BS is for the birds, The airport makes you show a birth certificate for any child under the age of 3. That is to prove YOU are the child’s parent. If not, you have to have a notarized letter stating you have permission to take that child on the airplane. I know this because my niece has to show for her kids every time she goes from Colorado to Arizona to visit my parents.

deblynn we love paddy, now don’t say anything mean about him, hes handsome, and smart and lets face it hes out there helping to find that baby and at one time went to aid M remember… why don’t you like him?

He wus scammed by killr..straight scammd…he got her out..and then she threw him out her house..

Pammy loves Paddy I wus wrong!!

lol pickles i just read my own post and am laughing OK LOVE is a strong word LMAO ok I like him!!!! I don’t LOVE HIM…lol lol.. I think hes smart is all..

I don’t LOVE him.. gees

OMG SHE’S GUILTY OH NO SHE’S INNOCENT, OR I NOW THINK SHE IS GUILTY, OH SHE IS INNOCENT, OH IMEANT SHE IS GUILTY, OH SHE IS INNOCENT, can he make a decision or what?

Oh I am kidding, I love Nancy Grace….And he has a great job now

What I do like about Padilla is that he’s now determined to find Caylee. Who cares about his motivations? I ask seriously, would Caylee care?

Padilla has spent more time looking for Caylee to give her a dignified resting place than any single member of her family.

CIT, Thank You! , I’m not a Paddy lover, but hey, he’s looking for her at ALL costs.

I agree cit thats why i luvs paddy cause he initially had good intentions and was proved wrong by skank and then admitted it and then still stood by and helped with the searching and now hates her guts..
but i see the point by deblynn

he did go back and forth but that was like way back in beg. of case.

yah that has been talked about maybe her wanting to break c’s neck lol

When he Paddilawhack was going to bail her out, he at the time believed one minute she was innocent and the next not,when he was at her home and she would not talk to him and c thru him out, then he changed his tune and said she was guilty

snookers NG referred to lemon as EX attorney

Pad then joined forces with cnn and started reinforcments to go find the baby

well thats because skank thru him out of the house and sort of like slapped him in the face and so then hes like hey she isnt even talking to me, so then he left her and said scrw u B****… i mean when he came out saying alls she needs is a hot shower and some tacos…lol i used to feel my stomach churn…

yea well when he did that i was not happy at all…Now he is on the grace show and yes he is helping, but I think there is more motive to this than the baby, just my opinion is all…

Snookers - Great to see you! Right, how can BB afford those experts when he is in court complaining about ‘regular’ court costs of document copies? (around $1000).

exactly paws…

Glad to see Sean here btw, may you heal quickly and have a very successful recovery! I do appreciate your insights and it was a pleasure talking with you. There are probably a million questions left about this bizarre family.

I honestly cold care less about his motive, if he finds Caylee and helps bring her home, who cares about his reasons for doing it. Whatever is motivating him, it’s working and it’s more than what any of the Anthony’s have done. The only thing the Anthony’s are doing is leading everyone on a wild goose chase. Paddy just wants to find Caylee.

i ahree don’t care about his motives at all…

alls i do really care about is caylee tobe honest not ants, skank, lee, the players, i care about this little girl, who still hasn’t been found, only reason i am still here blogging ( and to talk with my friends too)…:)

I’m sure if Casey ORDERED the jail kitchen to make tacos, they’d be glad to oblige! She is afterall, self-appointed Princess of the Prison!

Sorry for the sarcasm, I’m just disgusted after hearing her “demands” on video.
“I want Lee to investigate these sightings.”
“I want to speak to Mr. Wells.”

on and on…

Why couldn’t G&C respond by saying, “We want the truth!!!!” I’ll never understand why they continue to bow down to her demands.

And if I hear her respond in a toddler-like high pitch tone one more time, I’ll drive to FLA and tell her what she can do with the tacos and the tiara!!!

Tim Miller is going to start search again next week, Didn’t him and Padilla have falling out

Well, in the beginning I thought a couple things, first I thought she hid Caylee (gave her to someone) so Cindy couldn’t take her. Then when we got a little bit more info, I thought maybe it was an accident and she was scared to say anything. I went back and forth a few times in the beginning.

Does that make me a bad person too?

Just like Paddy, I know that in my heart and soul, Casey killed Caylee.

The more info comes out, the more the puzzle pieces come together.

So how can we say Paddy is that bad of a person for doing the same things we did? We are all only human. It doesn’t matter if it was on TV or not. We have all done it. We’re only human.

Tim is the one who accused Padilla of being a publicity hound wanting to profit. Who knows? Padilla stepped on Tim’s toes for sure. I’m sure the situation is being exploited by many people and that should be a caution to well intentioned contributors. Padilla is a bounty hunter, so isn’t there expertise tracking down live criminals?

I am not saying he’s a bad man at all, really i am not, I think just with this case and what i read and watched its one of the saddest pathetic cases ever i have scene and i have scene and heard alot….I have heard so many accusations, and money stuff, and exploiting, and its just so pathetic…makes you wonder out there what all them are doing…Guess the people just want the baby back…….

I mean “their” expertise, my grammar is going to hell.

Also remember that Cindy is exploiting just as much as everyone else has and is. So it’s family doing this too. Cindy has been lying since day 1. She’s in this for the money too. Neither Cindy nor George are working. So who’s paying for all these talk show interviews around the country? Not Cindy and George. That is the sickest part of it all.

Thank you CIT, we are doing good. Good night CIT!

PAW - Yes, we have very good reasons to believe that C&G have accepted funds for pics, videos, etc. How is that any different from anyone else making money off of Caylee?

Why let them off the hook for that, and hold others’ feet to the fire?

ok, really gtg. Later!

PAW — Good night! And thanks (you know why). I appreciate your graciousness.

Goodnight Deb, pickles & pammy!

As I recall, way back in the beginning,Padilla said he would find Caylee(alive) in one week after M was bailed out. BB might have given him that impression.

CIT. I think it is odd that Kobilinski has not even looked at the evidence yet. Maybe he is smart and wants the money upfront.

I doubt if the Ants are forking over any of their ill gotten loot to BB.

Hello to everyone!

Laurie, serious but yet funny (Adams Family)! thanks! Welcome to the blog.

Have alot of reading to do so won’t blog much, but I will be a firefly tonite!

I am glad to see that alot of the regular bloggers stood up for Sean!! As always, you give the respect to everyone, even to those that sometimes don’t deserve it (Sean bashers), but it just goes to show what intelligent, fair minded, knowledgable (spell check) bloggers you are. I am proud to be a part of BNN and my blogger friends rock!

Hi Suluki(spelled wrong again, sorry)

Way off base here.. but what kind of pups do you have??

(told you.. way off base..sorry)

EEKs. M2c.. after I posted above, I read your comment.. practically saying the same thing I did. But yours was definately more eloquent!!
Great minds think alike….

pammy@10:58 amen! me to plus through all this ive met some nice blogger friends, never in life bloged before but e1 is concerned with 1 thing caylee so makes it easy!

so after all that crap of wanting all the tips on caylee, after oc put it all together for bb he hasnt picked them up yet theyve been sitting there for a month! what you think about that!

sean~ when is your interview gonna be released? do you think le will go back and research the water treatment plant?? hope you have a speedy recovery, and thanks for being on the show, should have said thet yesterday, sorry

Sean.

I thought you did a good job on the interview Sunday… as said before, hope you have a speedy recovery. I apologize for the ‘Sean’ bashers..
we bloggers are a tight knit group.. emotions tend to run high here sometimes. Please excuse if some got a little snippy..LOL..
we all want justice for Caylee and are soooo sick of the crap the Ant are throwing. Stay with us.. you will realize our hearts are in the right place… sometimes our mouths speak before our brains realized what has happened!!!

Good luck in all you do.

Wow,no posts for a long time.
Everybody busy with Xmas , I guess.
Anyway, Ants are going to be on Larry King tonite I believe, sowing more seeds of reasonable doubt for gullible minds..
BB going to pretrial tomorrow. Wonder if he will request change of venue and/or later trial date.
IMO , BB is still working on a shoestring budget. Doesnot even want to pay the $980.00 for the Caylee sightings to OCSO.
The longer BB delays the trial, the longer he will have to wait for cashing in all those lucrative offers in his file drawers.
Well hope somebody will show up.