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	<title>Comments on: Denofrio v. Wells: Obama Citizenship Scheduled for SCOTUS Conference by Thomas</title>
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		<title>By: maria</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-857111</link>
		<dc:creator>maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leo have you given up on this guy? What is the truth, their are so many that are very worried. What will happen if all the things that are being talked about are true? where will we be &#38; our country? we are concerned about his campaign donations from real strange sources,the chicago under world items,&#38; the GAG ORDER ON HIS GRANDMA IN KENYON AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS OVER THEIR. I KNOW YOU ARE A VERY HONORABLE MAN I RESPECT YOU AND THANK YOU FOR STANDING UP AND KEEPING ON. I FEEL BAD THAT THE COURTS REFUSED TO TAKE ACTION. IS EVERY ONE ON THE TAKE., OR ARE THEY JUST TO SHAKEY TO STAND UP FOR WHAT COULD BE THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT. I WILL KEEP ON PRAYING, GOD IS IN CONTROL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo have you given up on this guy? What is the truth, their are so many that are very worried. What will happen if all the things that are being talked about are true? where will we be &amp; our country? we are concerned about his campaign donations from real strange sources,the chicago under world items,&amp; the GAG ORDER ON HIS GRANDMA IN KENYON AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS OVER THEIR. I KNOW YOU ARE A VERY HONORABLE MAN I RESPECT YOU AND THANK YOU FOR STANDING UP AND KEEPING ON. I FEEL BAD THAT THE COURTS REFUSED TO TAKE ACTION. IS EVERY ONE ON THE TAKE., OR ARE THEY JUST TO SHAKEY TO STAND UP FOR WHAT COULD BE THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT. I WILL KEEP ON PRAYING, GOD IS IN CONTROL.</p>
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		<title>By: wanda niven</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-811758</link>
		<dc:creator>wanda niven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this issue is not settled in court and the birth certificates are not looked at closely, this could open up doors for the next person....What do you say when Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to run for president? Are you going to let him change our constitution? Obama is looking for change, I believe he had this in mind first and test the Judges to see where he stands........Obama should have enough honesty to solve this unless he has a lot to loose...It seems that way, by the way he is acting about all this.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this issue is not settled in court and the birth certificates are not looked at closely, this could open up doors for the next person&#8230;.What do you say when Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to run for president? Are you going to let him change our constitution? Obama is looking for change, I believe he had this in mind first and test the Judges to see where he stands&#8230;&#8230;..Obama should have enough honesty to solve this unless he has a lot to loose&#8230;It seems that way, by the way he is acting about all this&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Johnbouncin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnbouncin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see the court investigate Senator Obama's birthplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see the court investigate Senator Obama&#8217;s birthplace.</p>
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		<title>By: awakenedone</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-806885</link>
		<dc:creator>awakenedone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all the disinformation going on you would at least that this site would get the attorney's name right.
It is DONOFRIO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the disinformation going on you would at least that this site would get the attorney&#8217;s name right.<br />
It is DONOFRIO.</p>
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		<title>By: DumBots Think Republicans have Congressional Majority</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-798512</link>
		<dc:creator>DumBots Think Republicans have Congressional Majority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*''[[UNITED STATES v. Wong Kim Ark]],'' 169 U.S. 649 (1898): "the children of aliens, whose parents have not only not renounced their allegiance to their native country, but are forbidden by its system of government, as well as by its positive laws, from doing so, and are not permitted to acquire another citizenship by the laws of the country into which they come, must necessarily remain themselves subject to the same sovereignty as their parents, and cannot, in the nature of things, be, any more than their parents, completely subject to the jurisdiction of such other country."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*&#8221;[[UNITED STATES v. Wong Kim Ark]],&#8221; 169 U.S. 649 (1898): &#8220;the children of aliens, whose parents have not only not renounced their allegiance to their native country, but are forbidden by its system of government, as well as by its positive laws, from doing so, and are not permitted to acquire another citizenship by the laws of the country into which they come, must necessarily remain themselves subject to the same sovereignty as their parents, and cannot, in the nature of things, be, any more than their parents, completely subject to the jurisdiction of such other country.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-790780</link>
		<dc:creator>John Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like the latest pro-Obama media tactic is posting articles calling questions regarding Obama citizenship lunatic fringe, etc. I have tried to post but only pro-Obama comments seem to be allowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like the latest pro-Obama media tactic is posting articles calling questions regarding Obama citizenship lunatic fringe, etc. I have tried to post but only pro-Obama comments seem to be allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: Cletus go Home</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-788906</link>
		<dc:creator>Cletus go Home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your side lost, Cletus...get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your side lost, Cletus&#8230;get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: yo</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-788260</link>
		<dc:creator>yo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not completely following how this works, but I hope obama gets stopped. 
What will the other sides response be? 
Will they say that nobody was a natural born citizen because there was not a country before the constitution? I think it is logical to think they will. How do we combat that argument?

Sincerely,
expert on stopping foreign interlopers from being sworn in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not completely following how this works, but I hope obama gets stopped.<br />
What will the other sides response be?<br />
Will they say that nobody was a natural born citizen because there was not a country before the constitution? I think it is logical to think they will. How do we combat that argument?</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
expert on stopping foreign interlopers from being sworn in</p>
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		<title>By: edeldoug</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-788228</link>
		<dc:creator>edeldoug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-788228</guid>
		<description>Sad to say, the COLB that Obama posted could well be a genuine (not forged) document… however it still would not prove "Natural Born Citizenship". He could have been born in Kenya and still obtain this document legitimately!

 

Obama has put forth only a "Certification of live birth", which is NOT A Birth Certificate!

 

After months and months of unrequited requests, the Obama campaign did finally present a document which they claimed validated his eligibility (per the Constitution of the Unted States, Article II, Section I) as a "Natural born citizen" to have his name on the ballot in contention for the office of the President of the United States of America.  

  

However, what the Obama campaign supplied was not, in fact, a "birth certificate".  What they supplied was actually a "Certificate of Live Birth."  There is a major difference between a "birth certificate" and a "Certificate of Live Birth." 

 

Aside from the level of detail differentiating the documents (hospital of record, doctor, height, weight, etc) - in the state of Hawaii, one authenticates natural born citizenship, and the other doesn't.  This part is important; - it has nothing to do with tin foil hats.

 

Per the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country."  (For citation purposes, please feel free to visit their site: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html ).  

  

The "Certificate of Live Birth" provided by Obama, is in fact, a derivative of the "Amended certificates of birth" they site.  Why is that important?  Because of that second clause in the above citation.  While you may show citizenship via such a document, you do not necessarily prove "natural born" citizenship.  "Natural born citizenship" is what is required to be eligible to be considered for the Presidency, per the United States Constitution. 

 

The form Obama posted wouldn't even be acceptable to make an application in Hawaii's Home Lands Program!

 

From:  http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl 

 

In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

 
There is a further complication, however.  His subsequent adoption by Lolo Soetoro and resultant INDONESIAN citizenship is a bigger fly in his ointment.  (I laugh whenever reference is made to "citizen of the WORLD'... Obama truly is a WORLD CITIZEN!)

Indonesia, at the time Obama lived there and was deemed an Indonesian citizen, did not recognize dual citizenship, and neither did the US recognize dual citizenship with Indonesia.  Thus, whether he held dual citizenship with the US and Kenya, whether he was born in the US or Kenya, or even - as some suggest - CANADA, is irrelevant as the ONLY legitimate citizenship he held once his adopted father moved him to Indonesia was Indonesian!  His US Citizenship would be forfeit!

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/ 

 



 

Whether and when Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama might have regained US Citizenship thereafter, it would be thru NATURALIZATION and that is SPECIFICALLY and EXPRESSLY ineligible to serve as President of the United States under Title II.  (Could this be why he uses the politically risky name Barack Hussein Obama instead of the more innocuous "Barry Soetoro"?  Perhaps Barry Soetoro is STILL an Indonesian citizen?  Perhaps there are naturalization papers in the name of Barry Soetoro?  I'm just asking...)

 

Doug Edelman

http://starboard.blogtownhall.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to say, the COLB that Obama posted could well be a genuine (not forged) document… however it still would not prove &#8220;Natural Born Citizenship&#8221;. He could have been born in Kenya and still obtain this document legitimately!</p>
<p>Obama has put forth only a &#8220;Certification of live birth&#8221;, which is NOT A Birth Certificate!</p>
<p>After months and months of unrequited requests, the Obama campaign did finally present a document which they claimed validated his eligibility (per the Constitution of the Unted States, Article II, Section I) as a &#8220;Natural born citizen&#8221; to have his name on the ballot in contention for the office of the President of the United States of America.  </p>
<p>However, what the Obama campaign supplied was not, in fact, a &#8220;birth certificate&#8221;.  What they supplied was actually a &#8220;Certificate of Live Birth.&#8221;  There is a major difference between a &#8220;birth certificate&#8221; and a &#8220;Certificate of Live Birth.&#8221; </p>
<p>Aside from the level of detail differentiating the documents (hospital of record, doctor, height, weight, etc) - in the state of Hawaii, one authenticates natural born citizenship, and the other doesn&#8217;t.  This part is important; - it has nothing to do with tin foil hats.</p>
<p>Per the State of Hawaii&#8217;s Department of Health, &#8220;Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.&#8221;  (For citation purposes, please feel free to visit their site: <a href="http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html</a> ).  </p>
<p>The &#8220;Certificate of Live Birth&#8221; provided by Obama, is in fact, a derivative of the &#8220;Amended certificates of birth&#8221; they site.  Why is that important?  Because of that second clause in the above citation.  While you may show citizenship via such a document, you do not necessarily prove &#8220;natural born&#8221; citizenship.  &#8220;Natural born citizenship&#8221; is what is required to be eligible to be considered for the Presidency, per the United States Constitution. </p>
<p>The form Obama posted wouldn&#8217;t even be acceptable to make an application in Hawaii&#8217;s Home Lands Program!</p>
<p>From:  <a href="http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl" rel="nofollow">http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl</a> </p>
<p>In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.</p>
<p>There is a further complication, however.  His subsequent adoption by Lolo Soetoro and resultant INDONESIAN citizenship is a bigger fly in his ointment.  (I laugh whenever reference is made to &#8220;citizen of the WORLD&#8217;&#8230; Obama truly is a WORLD CITIZEN!)</p>
<p>Indonesia, at the time Obama lived there and was deemed an Indonesian citizen, did not recognize dual citizenship, and neither did the US recognize dual citizenship with Indonesia.  Thus, whether he held dual citizenship with the US and Kenya, whether he was born in the US or Kenya, or even - as some suggest - CANADA, is irrelevant as the ONLY legitimate citizenship he held once his adopted father moved him to Indonesia was Indonesian!  His US Citizenship would be forfeit!</p>
<p><a href="http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/" rel="nofollow">http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/</a> </p>
<p>Whether and when Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama might have regained US Citizenship thereafter, it would be thru NATURALIZATION and that is SPECIFICALLY and EXPRESSLY ineligible to serve as President of the United States under Title II.  (Could this be why he uses the politically risky name Barack Hussein Obama instead of the more innocuous &#8220;Barry Soetoro&#8221;?  Perhaps Barry Soetoro is STILL an Indonesian citizen?  Perhaps there are naturalization papers in the name of Barry Soetoro?  I&#8217;m just asking&#8230;)</p>
<p>Doug Edelman</p>
<p><a href="http://starboard.blogtownhall.com" rel="nofollow">http://starboard.blogtownhall.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-787691</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Supreme Court CANNOT DUCK Obama’s Birth Certificate Constitutional Crisis (albeit the media blackout on the issue). The messiah will NOT become President! This 90-minute blogradio program explains why:

politicalpistachio.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-is-obamas-birth-certificate-still.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Supreme Court CANNOT DUCK Obama’s Birth Certificate Constitutional Crisis (albeit the media blackout on the issue). The messiah will NOT become President! This 90-minute blogradio program explains why:</p>
<p>politicalpistachio.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-is-obamas-birth-certificate-still.html</p>
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		<title>By: anyone</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-787294</link>
		<dc:creator>anyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether the birth certificate turns up and says he's born in Hawaii or elsewhere is irrelevent to his eligibility.

Donofrio's is the only case that addresses that he would be ineligible even it said Hawaii as place of birth.

Obama was a British Citizen at birth as well as a US Citizen.  Even factcheck.org confirms this, and Obama himself.  If he was a Dual Ditizen at birth  (at birth is the important bit) he cannot be a Natural Born Citizen.

According to the grandfather clause in Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution, the President must either be a Natural Born Citizen of the USA, or a Citizen of the USA at the time the Constitution was written.

"No person except a Natural Born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; "


This clause was added so that the forefathers could become President themselves, because they realised they were not Natural Born Citizens because they were British Citizens too (or had been at birth even if they since renounced it) as was EVERYBODY in North America at the time.

Natural Born Citizen as a term is defined nowhere in the Constitution other than through a logical interpretation of the grandfather clause.   If this is not the logical interpretation, why is the grandfather clause ie Citizens alive when the Constituion was written etc, even in Constitution at all!

Watch Donofrio's case  -  his is the important one that covers ALL the issues  -  he has included all issues raised by other plaintiffs.

His blog:

http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com/

A good summary of the specific legal issue, ignoring the birth certificate itself, can be found here:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=914</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether the birth certificate turns up and says he&#8217;s born in Hawaii or elsewhere is irrelevent to his eligibility.</p>
<p>Donofrio&#8217;s is the only case that addresses that he would be ineligible even it said Hawaii as place of birth.</p>
<p>Obama was a British Citizen at birth as well as a US Citizen.  Even factcheck.org confirms this, and Obama himself.  If he was a Dual Ditizen at birth  (at birth is the important bit) he cannot be a Natural Born Citizen.</p>
<p>According to the grandfather clause in Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution, the President must either be a Natural Born Citizen of the USA, or a Citizen of the USA at the time the Constitution was written.</p>
<p>&#8220;No person except a Natural Born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; &#8221;</p>
<p>This clause was added so that the forefathers could become President themselves, because they realised they were not Natural Born Citizens because they were British Citizens too (or had been at birth even if they since renounced it) as was EVERYBODY in North America at the time.</p>
<p>Natural Born Citizen as a term is defined nowhere in the Constitution other than through a logical interpretation of the grandfather clause.   If this is not the logical interpretation, why is the grandfather clause ie Citizens alive when the Constituion was written etc, even in Constitution at all!</p>
<p>Watch Donofrio&#8217;s case  -  his is the important one that covers ALL the issues  -  he has included all issues raised by other plaintiffs.</p>
<p>His blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>A good summary of the specific legal issue, ignoring the birth certificate itself, can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=914" rel="nofollow">http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=914</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/118750#comment-786867</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great posting, but I do believe that Leo does, in fact, spell his name "Donofrio," at least that what his new web site shows:

http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com/

I'm also following these and other stories:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com

Thanks,

-Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posting, but I do believe that Leo does, in fact, spell his name &#8220;Donofrio,&#8221; at least that what his new web site shows:</p>
<p><a href="http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m also following these and other stories:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.therightsideoflife.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.therightsideoflife.com</a></p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>-Phil</p>
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		<title>By: AXJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AXJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AXJ is investigating this matter. www.axjus.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AXJ is investigating this matter. <a href="http://www.axjus.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.axjus.com</a></p>
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