Thanks Simon. I do not dispute you at all. However, I do believe LE has more than they have shown, that there is a great chance Caylee’s remains will be found, and that the overwhelming circumstancial evidence will get a conviction of at least manslaughter. Plus there are 4 counts of lying to police which there is irrefutable evidence of, and enough evidence on the check charges to get time in prison. If all they can do is get her behind bars for 25 years, then at least she woun’t be out having more babies, and the better part of her pole-dancing days will be over.

That being said, I STILL hold big hope for a murder one conviction.

SAME crap as usual from the scamthony camp !!
SAME LIES !! same spin

AND WITH THEIR FAVORITE WORD,,” ABSOLUTELY ”

“Today’s released information proves absolutely that there has never been and still isn’t any connection whatsoever with Casey Anthony having committed any crime. Ms. Anthony, her mother, father and the Baez law firm continue to believe that Casey’s daughter is still alive.”

Todd Black, of the PR Firm (Let ME Confess FOR YOU!) probably wrote that (see ACT’s 9:42 am post with quote).

Hey, Todd, her name is CAYLEE!!!!

She wasn’t even three years old! And as far as committing “any crime” how about misplacing your daughter and not reporting it to anyone - ever! Until your mom blurted it out to the cops! Sounds like a crime to me!!!

I agree with you Arrest Cindy Today - the entire Ant camp is disgusting! (I like the “scamthony camp.” That’s good.

Simon,

I have followed this case from it’s beginning. I am the father of two daughters, so I have a heightened interest. Caylee looks a lot like my oldest daughter at that age! So, I hurt everytime I see her! Heck, I hurt regardless when any child, let alone my own, is injured or killed!

I agree with you. I didn’t feel like this evedinece was IT! I guess a lot will be depend upon how this evedience is presented in court and whether is stands up to cross examination. But for Baez to say that, “it’s not in my client’s best interest to reveal what she knows about Caylee’s disappearence”, can’t be overlooked. Also, Todd Black’s slip of the tounge on CNN, referring to, “the loss of life of this little girl” is significant too!

I do think that LE has something else for this case we haven’t seen. I heard a cellphone expert from Casey’s provders on TV say, ” Just forget everything surrounding this case. All the lies, Casey’s families involovement and public attention on this case. Without my revealing LE’s hand, we have enough proof here to covict her! This record of her trail is overwhelming and will be difficult for anyone to defend!” He said, “trust me, I have testified at many cases that brought a conviction with much less information than we have here!We can pinpoint her exact location at the exact time of day!This is my opinion, is very damaging evedience against Ms. Anthony! It’s a ‘no-brainer’ for a jury!”

I assume this person will provide a detailed look at the pattern of cell pings and information much more specific than the scientific information released yesterday. The defense may contest the validity of the scientific evendience, but there are many other forms of eveidence that they’ll have to address. The cellphone pings and technology could hold the biggest key in the case.

I keep wondering why noone has asked for Casey’s tax forms. We had child care for our children their entire early childhood. We had to do a background check of our provider, file taxes on the care with our provider and vice versa, had a paper trail of checks written to our provider and exchanged numerous detailed “emergency” information with our babysitters.

There are holes all over this Zanidea/babysitter story! Casey’s tax information would provide answers to the questions concerning her method (lack of) employment and income status. Too many, changes of stories and theories in this case. Too many trails to cover up. It’s my hope that the prosecutor will leave no stone unturned!

This may sound outlandish, but when I hear Casey talk about “Zenida” I think she’s talking about herself! I think she made this other person up to distance herslef from the crime and hurt of killing Casey. She says, “not everything I’ve said is a lie.” I think this means, she is Zanidea. “She’s the last person I saw Caylee with”. Could she be telling the truth? Casey=Zanidea.

I do know this! Nothing that Baez or Casey says concerning thie chance to tell the truth, will make me say, “Oh I completely understand!” NOTHING! Recent delvelopments of a young boy abducted by “drug cartel” in Las Vegas prove to me that Caylee would be back with no harm after all of this attention. For God’s sakes, drug dealers brought the boy back alive after public outrage.

I ache for Caylee’s soul, understand Casey’s parents “inconditional love’ and hope and pray Caylee’s remains are found! As far as Casey’s concerned. She and her family will have to live with what they know the rest of their lives. That may be the worst punishment one could ever deliver!

Dan
Simpsonville, SC

Hello Simon: I agree the language nuances are truly important.The fact that most of these facts were leaked earlier certainly did lessen the impact of the findings, however one must envision these facts which we have known about for months being presented in totality to a jury.The facts will unfold like a murder mystery novel and many of the deductions made by the jury will,one hopes, be based on common sense deductions…the initial report by Cindy in a panic, the lying,the jail calls, the cover ups the various strange twists and turns, etc.etc. Unfortunately the jury will be hobbled by the rules of decision making according to the judge.I do feel though that the downfall of Casey will depend largely on her own words and actions and those of her family. Do not forget that we have as yet to hear from the prosecution as to whether this will be a murder one charge or not and why Baez has not requested a speedy trial. One can only hope for the discovery of a body. We can see the direction of the defense case by the Kobelinsky statements on NG last night…doubt, doubt, doubt!!! I believe that without a body the best we can hope for will be manslaughter.

Hey, Coco, Dan from SC and Arrest Cindy Today!
bloggernews.net provides articles on this case frequently and a bunch of us are following the case closely as you are.
This is a great blog and I hope you stick with us or at least join us when your time permits.

In case you look in and don’t know what/who we’re talking about here’s the “key:”

LE = Law Enforcement (the cops)
C = Cindy
G = George
LV = LeeVick (so nicknamed after kicking over the water bowl of a peaceful protester’s dog)

BB = Baez (stands for Big Butt, Butterball, BoBo the clown etc)

Count - Frilly Count or Count Dracula = Mark Nejame, criminal defense lawyer for C & G

Ants = Anthonys (usually all of them or at least three)

And last and definitely LEAST is M (stands for murdering maggot monster etc) - You probably don’t need more clues as to who that stands for.

Most of us never use “M’s” name because we do not want to add to her notoriety/celebrity. The name we want the spotlight on is Caylee. So that’s why we came up with these - plus they’re just shorter to type!

So please come back and join us when you can!

Hi, pammyliz! Hug back! We’ll have to wait for our more learned bloggers to come back to answer some of your questions about the case, okay? I would if I could but I don’t want to get it wrong. Have a great day and “see” you later!

I don’t think the jurors are going to be swayed by the lack of DNA, The percented of the testing are on the greater side of possiblities.

Exp: If you need 100% proof, but you have only 80%. I think the jurors would concluded the differents…Plus, the juror has to take in the other evidence at hand… Momster had 31 days to cover up a crime. Thats alot of time…

Anyone who is anyone will figure that out….
It may not be a death or life sentence but it will be a good amount of time….

NG experts said it best,” Momster is in a Lawyers bubble,” The only thing on momster mind is the day she can start her life over with no Caylee….

She has no remorse towards Caylee, non!
She is living on the high hopes that Bobo and lemon are going to creat enough reasonable doubt in the minds of the juror to set her free….

Ain’t going to happen, Plus, I would like people to refer Caylee as a 2 years old toddler, other then a 3 year old. That child was not nor did she have the opportunity to turn 3…Saying the age of 3 gives the defense more reasonable doubt cause that tells people Caylee made it to the age 3.. ANd that she was not killed back in June…

Yes I think it’s awful that most of the press refers to Caylee as “3 years old” when she never got a chance to see three candles on a cake. Better to say “almost” or “nearly” or “not yet” 3 year old, Caylee Anthony.

It’s disrespectful and you’re right, alliethinks, it helps perpetuate the false hope/idea that she was alive at least until then (Aug 9) or may still be alive. We pray for that but most of us don’t believe it, sadly (thanks to M and the rest of the “scamthonys.”)

Media referred Laci as the age she was last seen and the trimister that her baby was in, 8 months.

Reguardless of an age change the toddler went missing at 2…

I guess I’m over reacting a little..

When this all goes to trial, I’m sure the state is going to wear out the age of CAylee being a 2 year old toddler…and not ever making it to the age of 3….

alliethinks - when I read “that creating a split personality is easy way for her to keep composure” I giggled thinking, “Well, it should be! But wouldn’t you think that one of her personalities would have the sense to tell the other one to try to look like she really missed her daughter?” And then I realized that, no. Whether M has one or a hundred personalities none are that compassionate nevermind intelligent.

this ehole case has gone from unbelievable to just sad, for one the hair came from one of 2 people one who is obviously alive, not to many people have a decomp smell in thier trunk, i might have believed the ants if they had ever gone on a hunt for thier grandaughter, or if m had called the first day, the whole family is trying so hard to make m look like mother of the year while no one has given any thought to a innocent child, m behavior alone looks guilty to me, i hope tim and paddy find evedince of a body, or le has a little more evedince that they arent sharing, i suppose its in gods hands now i can only pray with the rest of you there will be a big break.

allie - fabulous points about her age! referring to her as age 3 only reinforces the silly kidnapping theory, which was tossed well before her third birthday came and went in August.

Beans I think you are right about the words chosen because of science and absolutes. Mtdna means you can trace the mother’s side of it which means only partial strand. They can only say that it was M or Caylee’s hair. Well if it is decomposed hair and M is sitting the court room. natural conclusion is that only realistic possiblity is Caylee. who no one knows is at. As far as chain of evidence on the car, tow company had no keys, therefore had no access to interior of car or trunk. Unless they can prove it was pried open that will not wash. If they want to say a body was placed it in at the Ants home. O.k. still limits both the guilty and victim. Every needs to remember a grand jury came back with a true bill in 30 minutes. That would seem to me that they had alot more evidence than this. Plus we don’t know the dates of missing website searches, Chloroform searches, and how they were searched ie. get your toddler to sleep or how to kill a toddler? The LE science computer people will know how to find that info. They also may have records of what was erased off of myspaceor facebook. They haven’t released alot of stuff yet. Trust me this case is SOLID. Finding Caylee will only bring closure and futher evidence. M is gonna be convicted.

Where is Lisa Williams for this case?? I think this kid is in several locations and that the landfill should be reviewed as well as the dumpster by the boyfriend’s house.I think the FBI has more info. on this case, or there would not have been an indictment. I think there has been ” a lot of schooling ” since the OJ trial…

“You see, Pinocchio, a lie keeps growing and growing until it’s as plain as the nose on your face,” explained the Blue Fairy.

Good afternoon everyone!

Justice for Caylee Puzzle.

I’d like to start creating our own “Justice for Caylee Puzzle” on this site. I will post the starting point in a few minutes. I’m not sure how many of you will want to go along with this, but I think it will be great for us to compile a list of puzzle pieces that creates a picture of Casey as being guilty of first degree murder. Then we will be able to see how many of our pieces are actually used in the trial. We can always add or subtract to it as we go along.

Anytime you want to add a piece to the puzzle, please start your post with the words:
“ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE” That way your post won’t be missed. I’ll start my next post with that sentence. If no one is interested… I totally understand and will simply drop it. It’s just an idea I had.

MMT - that’s a great idea (i’ve been listening again to George’s interview and taking notes).

It it all so confusing, that it would be good to have a compendium in one place.

Hi CA, subee and scj!

re: gasoline in car trunk, I think that can be explained by the cans she had stolen from the shed that George retrieved in that little confrontation on 6-24. He also mentioned in his interview, btw, that he had reported the cans missing because there had been other minor thefts, gas missing, around the neighborhood for awhile. And he said he thought his daughter had been stealing gas because he saw gas marks on the side of her car that would happen if it was poured from a can. don’t know if the cans were still full or if she’d used them, but spillage from them being there would have certainly explained that.

ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE

Great comments today! Although, we were a little disappointed to hear that LE didn’t have more evidence than what we were already exposed to, there is no reason to lose confidence in the case. Keep in mind that the prosecution team will slowly fit the pieces of the puzzle together until the picture is clearly completed and the jury will plainly see, without reasonable doubt, that M is guilty of premeditated murder.

In most cases a defense attorney will announce that there is not enough evidence to convict their client, M’s attorneys are no different and, as you can see, they are already playing that card. But let’s not forget the pieces of the puzzle! Remember, AFTER Caylee disappeared, that it was:

o M’s child who is missing
o M who was last seen with Caylee
o M who failed to report Caylee missing
o M’s car with evidence of human deposition
o M’s car with hair evidence of a death band
o M’s car trunk where cadaver dogs hit
o M’s backyard where cadaver dogs hit
o M who had a motive to be carefree and party
o M’s hours of idle time which provided opportunity to plan and execute
o M who looked up missing children’s sites on her computer
o M who looked up recipes for chloroform on her computer
o M’s lies that sent LE on a wild goose chase, wasting valuable time
o M who lied to her parents and friends for two years about having a job
o M’s lack of emotion and sorrow for her missing daughter
o M not revealing to anyone that Caylee was missing
o M’s carefree actions & attitude that appeared as if nothing happened
o M’s unwillingness to help LE locate her daughter
o M happily dancing while her daughter is missing
o M getting a tattoo, representing “A Beautiful Life”
o M’s mom who reported that the car smelled of decomposition
o M who stole checks from Amy & purchased items, but none for Caylee
o M who is unable to provide even one REAL person involved in her story
o M who called from jail, saying “All they care about is finding Caylee”
o M who borrowed a shovel from a neighbor
o M who was out near a remote area of the airport

I’m sure that I missed many other pieces to the puzzle that you can help me with.
So, if you have a missing piece to add to our puzzle, please start your comment with the words ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE so that your post will not be missed. Let’s see how many of our puzzle pieces are actually used in the trial.

I feel like we are a justice for Caylee team!

I totally agree with this. I think that anyone can convey anything they want people to beleive with creative word use. I actually am sceptic to Casey’s guilt. Yeah, ok, she didn’t call the police, no one is acusing her of having brains. Caylee should be the main focus.

MMT - great list. nothing really to add, maybe revise - we might not be able to judge the fact that M did not buy anything for Caylee at Target as proof she was murdered. Remember M claims, in retrospect, that Caylee was already “missing” then and so she wouldn’t have to justify purchasing items for her because she “doesn’t know” where she is. It fits in with her ridiculous alibi, but I think the jury will still be shocked at how carefree she managed to act during this whole time.

cecybeans, thanks… I was excited to read your message and find that you’re all for creating the puzzle list. This will truly pull us all together, as a team, in wanting to see Justice for Caylee.

Please go over my list and see what pieces you can add… I already thought of a couple after reading your comment but I will wait for your reply.

Maybe we can post the list on the first day of every month.. or maybe we can ask Jan to post it somewhere else for us to look at. What do you think?

Jan, if your reading this, please give us some ideas.

and I think it’s even more ominous and creepy that she was telling Amy and others that her parents had already/or would soon leave the house - divorcing, mom getting a condo in Winter Park, etc. and that she was living there herself with Caylee cuz they had left it to her. makes you wonder what her long term plans might have been….

beans…having the house to herself…yup..mom and dad are JUST LEAVING IT FOR ME…in her fantasy island world…
c4c - Counting on LE’s ace up their sleeve i know they have one.

you might be right. however the searches that she did on her computer depending on the nature of questions in reference to chloroform, and then the missing children’s site could be enough to prove premediated.

reason I am not 100% yet is that info all we have is leaked stuff so if it is not concrete then she might could get a lesser charge.

cecybeans said,at 2:52 pm ‘We might not be able to judge the fact that M did not buy anything for Caylee at Target as proof she was murdered. Remember M claims, in retrospect, that Caylee was already “missing” then and so she wouldn’t have to justify purchasing items for her because she “doesn’t know” where she is. It fits in with her ridiculous alibi”
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Thanks, I think you’re right about that one. I guess I was thinking of that being supporting evidence for the prosecution because it shows that M knew there was no reason to buy even the smallest thing for her daughter because she wasn’t coming back. But, you made me think through it a little bit more and as a mother would I buy something for my child if she or he was kidnapped? Heavens… I couldn’t even walk much less shop.

The hair strand found in the trunk showed signs of decomposition. As with blood testing for paternity “cannot be excluded” is the term used to indicate probability. One of the two possible individuals is alive in a detention center, one missing.

The strand might have gotten into the trunk of Casey Anthony’s without her knowledge. In fact, Casey Anthony could be covering up her mother’s killing of Caylee Anthony possibly shortly before Cindy Anthony notified law enforcement Caylee Anthony was missing; presumably she would have called the police to divert attention from herself once her granddaughter’s absence was undeniable.

It is also possible Casey Anthony’s continuous rounds of bars, men and pot are indicia of her profound grief of knowing her mother killed her child.

These scenarios are more plausible than alien abduction, yes. The lab reports remain solid evidence however; rarely are “smoking guns” EVER found.

C4C - it doesn’t matter if it was leaked - it doesn’t compromise the veracity of the facts or the deposed statements. They aren’t anything that can degrade like dna.

Heck, all of M’s BS in her very first police interview about it happening on the 9th when Caylee was kidnapped is a crock - she uploaded herself the pix from the 15th and should have remembered Caylee was with her mom in Mt. Dora. her detailed testimony of the date (which was Cindy’s first hypothesis) proves she is a bald-faced liar from minute one.

And there are gaps in what was leaked. I’m sure LE has much more than what we saw. I think the leaks were to create pressure. too bad she didn’t stay in jail the whole time. Spending weeks at a time with her atty didn’t help LE.

but if C did it and was trying to frame M she wouldn’t be on her side.

7/16 = 6/16 on second

C4C - good point about state of mind. EVERYTHING she did points to the fact that, whether this child was either kidnapped or dead, Caylee was happy as a clam to play the perpetual “unencumbered mother” without thinking twice about the child. (although BB is probably going to say that the “instructions note” told her not to purchase anything)

I really don’t think BB will ever be able to unravel the pit of snakes lies she told to LE. The defense will probably just stick to trying to lessen the impact of the forensics to get her off death row.

hey snook!

yep it all makes perfect sense “in a backwards sort of way”

Hi Caylee-Angel

So glad you came back._Against advise of hubby, I suspect, (evil grin).
Sad to see Mamabear, my close neighbour is still MIA.

Haven’t been on much so must have missed something. But I have never heard anyone critical of you Ca I think you will always be welcome. You bring alot of good debate and questions to conversation

when did this happen I thought mama was on Thursday night.

Eliminating the implausible leaves the most probable: Casey Anthony is responsible for her daughter’s death. Whether her actions were deliberate or negligent is a separate issue. The crimes may not have started until after Caylee Anthony died. So far, the prosecution’s public actions seem like a manslaughter case, with subsequent crimes aggravating the severity of the initial wrong.

Hi Peach, - if Cindy killed Caylee it doesn’t explain George’s statement about seeing her alive on the 16th and leaving with M to go to work.

G was the most continuously cooperative Ant with LE. LV made a lot of calls and gave a lot of info but slunk into the background pretty quickly.

The strongest emotion I ever heard in Cindy’s voice was during those 3 911 calls - she sounds desperate for LE to help them find both Casey and Caylee. She and G both sound desperate in their initial interviews - to find the car, to arrest Casey for theft, to explain the dead body smell in a car they didn’t even have access to. Only when it becomes clear their daughter is a murder suspect do they pull back from cooperating.

Only Casey, who led police on wild goose chases and laughed a lot during her initial interviews, acts like she could have cared less throughout. And she would have thrown her mom under the bus in a heartbeat. Her anger at her mother putting her in jail and concern for herself only is so apparent in the angry tone she has in those jail phone calls.

And C and G had utterly no motive for killing a child they lavished with love and affection and financially supported. If it had even been an accident, they would have been on the phone to 911 in five seconds.

If anything, they C was using that child as leverage to get their daughter to behave better. I just don’t see Cindy as being a reasonable suspect.

I think it is because we all believe so deeply and care so much that it gets heated sometimes. I also think that since we don’t personally know each other sometimes we may mean one thing and someone else reads another.

Do you really think Mama won’t come back. I think I have her email I will drop her a line and see how she is. She has also had trouble sleeping and so maybe she will come back. Sometimes staying away a few days can clear our perspective a bit.

Oh mama I am so happy to see you…I am so sorry for not taking the time to help you out last I was just so pissed at the reaction…
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Thank you for not letting “losing” you be on my concious for life…
YOU made my day…
AND I WANNA PARTEA TOO MAMA….XO

MAMAMAMAMA! You could hear us calling your name!

HIIIII-EEEEEE!

for real sometimes I research and then come here and chat and then it gets questioned, then I try and go back and find it and its gone. Then I wonder if it was ever there in the first place. For example we were discussing reports and one that no one seems to be talking about are finger prints on shovel.

C4C THAT WAS IN THE EVIDENCE CAME BACK FROM THE LAB-YESTERDAY

beans…I don’t get upset with arguing…I am used to it…my house has 3 teens with attitudes and 2 babies in training…caos is my first name…should have maybe used that as my blog name…no worries…I was worried for mama and anyone else who is not used to such bickering…I am good…and I am here till the end with all my friends…
WHERE IS CAYLEE?…THAT’S WHAT ALL THIS IS ABOUT…

this is not evidence, but just something odd I noticed about C.

She is always so sure of and specific about dates (even when she’s not).

She first said she had not seen Caylee since June 9. Then she told the police 31 days, which would have made it June 14th (and she gave both statements on June 15th).

Then later she told the media that the pizza had been in the car for 12 days - which doesn’t match up to any date. Whazzaup with the pizza date??

She might be a lot like M, (who is a lot like The Enquirer) - if I say it, or think it, it’s gotta be true! Amy said that M tended to believe her own bs.

AND THEY FOUND NO FINGER PRINTS ON THE SHOVEL. AM I NOT UNDERSTANDING U?

i had not heard there was a shovel in the trunk… I knew about neighbors shovel only.

LMFAO CA—-I HAD 4 KIDS AND I KNOW WHERE U R COMING FROM. COULD TELL U SOME WILD STORIES. BUT NOW I AM OLD AND STRESS EASY. I SHOULD NOT HAVE JUMPED IN WHEN I DID. SORRY FOR THAT.

thanks I think your idea is a good one because those of us that are following it will like it as a reference and reminder of facts

MAMA…WHEN I READ that the hair on the shovel was not m’s or cayless….I know the defence will use that up and and down and three ways sideways to say…SOMEONE ELSE KILLED BABY AND BURIED HER…it doesn’t make sense at all cause people shed hair all the time…it could have been transferred easily from someone else somewhere else…and transferred off M onto shovel..or belongs to neighbor..hope LE has dna from neighbor to disprove another possible and responsible guilty party other then M..
BUT..if they do have dna from neighbor..why not in the report saying it was theirs..means it belongs to ..IN THE DEFNESE EYES…THE REAL KILLER…THEY WILL USE THAT LIKE COCHRANE USED THE GLOVE…

MAMA…TOTALLY…party girl…baby gone …buys beer and sex clothes…and ass wipe!…yah, c….grieving mother mode…she doesn’t see how stupid her statements are…she is totally about M…NOT CAYLEE

WELL, THE ONLY SHOVEL MENTIONED WAS THE NEIGHBOR’S AND THE NEIGHBOR SAID THAT LE TOOK THE SHOVEL-SO I THINK THAT WAS THE SHOVEL

cecy - if you’ve got records of important dates in the case maybe you could contribute to the evidence/testimony list that MMT suggested and started. I think it’s a great idea!!! Please see MMT’s post at 2:35 pm and then I added some dates at 3:30 pm

MMT is going to try to keep the “master list” I guess. Some details about it need to be worked out but I think it will be wonderfully helpful to all of us. Something constructive for all of us to do now while news is a little slow and it will become something we can refer to when needed in future.

This was in a news article after evidence came out. Reliable?

Residue of chloroform, which can be used to render someone unconscious, was found on the spare tire cover and trunk liner, though a trace was also found in a control experiment on a similar trunk. No usable fingerprints were found on a shovel in the trunk.

I was under the imnpression too that the shovel in the evidence report was neigbour Brian Burner’s shovel. No shovel was in the trunk. Not on the evidence report either when car was confiscated/contents listed unless C did her magic disapparance act.
Tow yard employee also did not mention a shovel when the trunk was opened by G at the towyard. Only the white trash bags, flies , maggots and smell.

Hi Peach, - if Cindy killed Caylee it doesn’t explain George’s statement about seeing her alive on the 16th and leaving with M to go to work.
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YES, Casey is the most likely to be responsible. There are other POSSIBLE explanations but none probable. Only Cindy Anthony’s involvement would explain Casey Anthony’s silence for a month, but it explains nothing else. Casey Anthony’s life history does not suggest a person willing to take responsibility for her own acts, let alone those of others.

But was the death of the child a result of negligence or intentional act?

C4C - that is the one thing that is bugging me so far.

The decomp evidence shows it was “early” - like two or three days. That would seem to negate the theory that she had her in the car that for very long.

also, in addition to a lack of oxygen, I cannot imagine a child would have lived in the trunk of a car in FL on a hot summer day for more than a few hours. It is illegal to leave your child in the car in FL for any length of time because, even when the windows are cracked, it gets up to like 120 degrees in just a few minutes. the cook before they asphyxiate

Hi Mamabear
Be honest , were you lurking?.
So glad to see you’re back BTW.
I too, generally just disappear when things get hot and heavy.
Life is too short to get involved in that insignificant stuff.

cecy at 4:00 - Good idea. Up to you all and MMT how to do it. I do think a timeline of important dates would be important as well as the things you suggested.

HEY SNOOKERS. WILL ALWAYS LOOK OVER YA’LL SHOODERS. LOL

Peach…don’t know about negligence or intentional..I do know it was NOT an accident.

The searches on chloroform and missing children and her my space poem tells me intentional act….along with her demeanor after baby was gone…she couldn’t give a shitt about her missing child…and to this day not ONE TEAR… Intential..not negligent…even negligence would mean nasty hoe bag so called mother that would at least cry over her loss…the only thing m has lost in her eyes is her right to party….

guess you have it…just start typing and your true feelings come out…SHE DID IT INTENTIONALLY….that’s why we brainstorm and when you just let your thoughts flow out on “paper”…you get your true feelings…cool

LILRED——-U HERE???????????

THEY SAID N MAGGOTS ON THE PIZZA

mytwocents-The Original said,3:30 pm ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE I think it’s a great idea to develop a list of evidence/information about the case for all of us to see, MMT. And if anyone’s testimony is not corroborated we could put a (?) next to it (like I did with G saying last time he saw M and Caylee was June 16) Others have better records of dates and activities than I do but here are a few:

May 24 M and Tony L meet at a party for first time
June 15 - C saw M and Caylee for last time (?)
June 16 – G saw M and Caylee for last time
June 18 (?) M borrowed shovel from neighbor
June 27 – Car left at Amscot
June 30 – Car towed from Amscot
June 30 – July 5 Tony on vacation (M stays with Amy)
July 8 – 15 Amy on vacation. M drives Amy’s car
July 5 – 15 M stays with Tony
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Thank you M2C original! Great stuff! I knew I forgot so many things. I’ve added your additions to the list.

I really appreciate your participation. I wasn’t too sure how this would go over with the group. Please keep thinking of more to add!

mamam…no maggots on the pizza..pizza all dried up and moldy…no maggotts…they do not feed on food…they (to my knowledge) feed on decompositon of stuff like human flesh..and in every day garbage can stuff like …uncooked meat..

According to the evidence report, there was no pizza, just an empty pizza box. That is the way I read it at least.

snook…jcp…haven’t heard of that seems c is not willing to hand over credit card statements and jcp receipts…she looks really bad in a cover up doesn’t she…I don’t trust that woman at all…

I meant to ask from reading the fbi reports what anaerobic decomp. is?…is it later stage of decomp as opposed to aerobic which is initial stage?

later beans…ya funny gal!

UR RIGHT SNOOKS-WAS NO PIZZA—–EMPTY BOX

Mama - so C was full of it when she said the car smelled like pizza because there was never any in there, just an empty box!

okay, i’m gone!

Cecy,

Yep, tow guy said some flies came out of trunk when opened.
That is why I also think, there is more forensic evidence than what was released to the public.I think LE hase an option as to how they file it. BB and cohorts should get all of it when completed though regardless how it is filed. Suspect testing is till going on.
Like to see M brought down by a fly/maggot LOL..

The prosecution has enough information to rip Casey apart in court. She has defined the ruin of her own credibility by lying so much, and there is enough dna evidence to prove her daughter is dead and was in the back of that car. I imagine there is also evidence which has not yet leaked to the press.

http://www.freep.com/article/20081024/NEWS07/81024027/1009/NEWS07 in this link it references shovel found in trunk. Reliable news sourc? I don;t know

HEYYY WECOGIRL. WELCOME TO THE CYBER-SLUTHS

AM LOST C4C

hi everyone,
just reading some of your posts and there is a great feeling from everyone that we can all help to get justice for caylee,
mmt,the puzzle is first class idea,and you know what maybe something will turn up from it,

was feeling realy down when i read lab results but all here has gave me hope and to get back on track again,thanks…

HEY MINNIE

minnie…me too on the lab stuff…we really don’t know what it will all mean in the end….but I too have been let down and pumped right back up by our friends on here…sometimes hard to keep the train running at full speed..and when it seems to slow down we get frustrated and worried…and here, we have our friends to hold us up when we feel beaten down…i have heard alot including myself that feel the report is not what we would like…

bb is messing up by putting ideas out even if it is through C. They have time to disprove those ideas

hi mamabear,hows you doing?
i still would love to give you 5 mins with that babykiller out of all of us,by god would she talk!!!

ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE =
MMT - this is a little messy for a list but maybe there is a way to include this info:

M lived with Tony (mostly) from June 9. Some nights she did not stay with him. It’s important to note that at some point he asked/told M NOT to bring Caylee over to spend the night. That goes to motive.

And it’s also important to try to pin down the nights she did NOT stay with him (we already noted the week he went to NY June 30 - July 5 when M stayed at Amy and Ricardo’s.) Otherwise when she was not overnight at Tony’s where was she?

OK SNOOKS, I HANGIN ONTO UR SHIRT TAIL. LOL

then the news article suggests that it was in the trunk? that would mean not neighbors shovel

BB is also putting out his ideas thru Kobilinski now on NG. At one time, I had respect for that guy, now I refer to him as a dumb polack. No pun intended to anybody with a polack name, just a figure of speech.

MAMABEAR said,NOW MMT- HOW ABOUT THE TIME LINE?
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Mamabear, you are right…thanks for reminding me!

I didn’t add in the time line so, if anyone is good at timelines, and would like to help out by copying and pasting the puzzle list to a word document and then back on this site, please let me know and I will be ever so grateful. If not, I can add a timeline myself at a later date.

If some of you are not sure what we are talking about, here are the two posts to refer back to:

Monday Morning Therapist said, in October 25th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Explanation of Justice for Caylee Puzzle.

Monday Morning Therapist said,in October 25th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
List for JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE

Peach- Are you saying it would be a mistake for BB to allow M to take the stand?

Peach….
I no longer believe chloroform was used to subdue Caylee. It was either to kill or to cover up evidence. In conjunction with all the other evidence, the one key point in my mind is that NO ONE, repeat, NO ONE does internet searches on missing children sites and then has their own child disappear.

hi caylee-angel,glad i have all u guys here,and i realy beleive in my heart that caylee will find the peace and justice she soo much deserves.
i thing about caylee everyday,she has realy taken a big place in my heart,but i think she is in a beter place and will always be happy.

Hi all,

hi catherine girfriend…

I think there was (1) shovel, and then the witness that saw M. coming out out of the woods )Paul) stated he saw M. with a shovel in a plastic bag.

Hi, Girlfrend

HUGS

There is an aspect that still puzzles me and I question G’s veracity on the gas can incident. he initially told LE that he asked M to go into the trunk because he needed something that was really *tightened down* so he could work on C’s car. This does not sound like gas cans. Then he stated that M ran to the trunk and shut it right away and told him, here are your F*** cans. Might there have been 2 different incidents?
Regarding the JC Penney receipt, Paddy started to say something on NG show Friday saying Cindy said M said she bought a cross for Caylee. What is this about?

i can’t understand why would M keep the plastic bag ?…hello everyone

Concerned for caylee news reports are not always the best source for info especially if the info you are looking for is released to the public. news reports do tend to add or embellish things.

Dakdude3 said,at 4:59 pm “You know they say there were high amounts of chloroform.”

Thanks Dak…intentionally or not, you just gave us another addition to our “JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE”

I just added it in!

thankyou caylee-angel,thats a nice thought to have,and its all that she deserves.

salu.

Great Point!

G. never got that thing he wanted from M’s car hmmmmmm. I smell a cover up with G.

sits back and has a beer with mama….

Bri,

Do you see what I mean?

i sort of think the paul guy did see M, the police could always ask the friend who was driving the car to back up paul’s story, unless the cooked it up together

CAT WHATS WITH THE COVER UP WITH G? AND THE CANS

I AM HERE MINNI JUST READING N THINKIN SO I ON’T GET BEHIND. LOL

Hi, MMT! I think I may have misunderstood the puzzle you’re developing (your post at 2:46pm).
That’s great. I jumped in trying to develop a time line (my 3:30 post) which I think is also helpful. But the two lists don’t really mesh into one. They should be separate.

All those who joined the blog recently did you see MMT’s post at 2:46 and mine at 3:30? Do you want to develop these lists further? Sure could use some help. Not even sure if this is the best way to go about it but it would be handy to have!

caylee-angel,im sittin back and havin a beer too!!!!

sabrina said,in October 25th, 2008 at 5:13 pm i sort of think the paul guy did see M, the police could always ask the friend who was driving the car to back up paul’s story, unless the cooked it up together

does anyone not find it odd that the Paul guy works for a company that is owned by Channel 9 news? They both are owned by the same company AND the guy that looks so much like Caylee’s dad works for that news source?

cheers Minnie…if my own kids don’t drive me to drink this case sure does….LMAO

June 24th will play a role in the trial, and G. already has an alibi for M.

THE FAMOUS GAS GANS!

catherine, G said after M threw the cans at him she left in the car…he wanted the stop thing for changing tires i don’t know the right name for it, but i think it’s placed behind the tires to keep the car from rolling back

where does that come from Cat. If he truly was creating an alibi that was before anyone (supposedly) knew Caylee was missing. That would mean that at least G was involved directly, not after the fact as some suggest.

June 24th is also the day that G. said he followed M in C’s car wasn’t it?

Night, mytwocents

CFC,

G’ said June 24th, but he would need to check his access pass to be sure.

I don’t know if Casey should take the stand at this point, I doubt her attorneys do either. After discovery, the defense may be forced to fight for manslaughter as the best they can hope for; if so accident by cholorform could keep Casey off death row. We’ll know when the prosecution makes their initial offer. If its 2nd degree or manslaughter one option may be; plead her quick, have an all out fight at sentencing. Casey could get away with 20 years. With the 15% gain time here in Florida, she’d walk after 16-17, depending on how long she’s in pre trial detention.

Bri,

I don’t think he expanded on why he was following her.

Dakdude3 said,in October 25th, 2008 at 5:20 pm Okay i would like to know where you found out about the Paul guy working for a company that is owned by channel 9 news.

BEHIND BARS: A Day In The Life Of Casey Anthony

POSTED: 4:30 pm EDT October 20, 2008
UPDATED: 2:54 pm EDT October 21, 2008

BUSINESS JOINING SEARCH FOR CAYLEE

Even some business leaders are getting involved in the search for Caylee’s body. Top management at Manheim Auto Auction in Orange County say they’ll help an employee search in the woods off Boggy Creek Road near Orlando International Airport.

An employee named Paul Kovach called Eyewitness News last week saying he saw a woman who looked like Casey Anthony leave the woods with a shovel back in June.

Manheim and WFTV are owned by the same company.

Previous Stories:

so if M was in C’s car C would know, unless M took it without permission

hi cecy, anita, dak,2cents and anyone else i may have missed

Hi BRI!

Bri,

Remember when LE was talking to C. about M. taking her car on June 24th, and C, said she did not have her car. Only she and G had keys to her car. So, somebody is not telling the truth.

mytwocents,i realy value ur input,and your always helping me out so i think you should team urs and mmts together,with all of everyones ideas…

oooh, oooh, I just finished listening to G’s interview this morning.

He wasn’t sure of the exact date (told LE to get EZpass records) but he had seen M in C’s SUV on 408 week of 23rd - 27th and tried to follow her but traffic was bad (rush hour - around 5:50 pm or so). She got off on the Kirkland or Hialeah (?) exit and he could not follow. He was mad at her for taking C’s car again which he said she often did for the gas.

Hi Cat, bri, Anita and everybody! I’ll join you later!

DON’T U GIRLS THINK MMT’S IDEA WAS A GOOD ONE?
Monday Morning Therapist said,in October 25th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

hmmm, seems all that family knows how to do is lie…remember G telling the police he didn’t like that smell in the car, now he just dismisses it…do these people not know they were recorded, and C asking police if they are looking for dead caylee or live caylee, sheesh, she doesn’t want the caylee to be found

brb in a few

i’m back…is padilla searching now ?

mama, what idea ?

catherine,

?????? lol…i dunno

See Dak I do agree with you sometimes.

I LOVE IT.

concerned, whether she gets consecutive or concurrent may depend on how long the case takes. I think the defense is real busy right now letting her know if she had ANY involvement pleading fast is her only option to get to the outside of Lowell* alive.

*Florida’s prison for females convicted of serious offenses.

AND THERE ARE ADDITIONS ALL THRU TIL NOW.

I personally think mytwocents idea makes more sense. Having more than one list is easy to keep track of. IMO

i haven’t read 2cents post, there’s to much reading for me lol

nope catherine, that’s to spicey to eat to often lol…gonna have filet mignon today

Snooker,

Wasn’t the receipt attached to the pizza bag/box dated 6-19-2008? Wouldn’t the receipt say what was on the pizza when M. placed the order?

Bri,

Ok, I’ll make it for my husband he loves spicey food.

lol, minnie, it’s a cajun dish, very spicey

Possible Add for Justice for Caylee Puzzle:
Date when Puerto Rico plans/texts started
Date when money was stolen from Grandfather
Date if ticket purchased and price
Date of cancellation of plans and reasons

Dakdude3 said,in October 25th, 2008 at 5:35 pm I don’t know if I would trust a witness who has connections to a company who owns a news station.

I had posted this a couple of times but no one saw the connection or cared to post about.

I thought is more ironic that th picture that, I think it was Cat, found of the guy that truly looks liek Caylee’s father and was a rommie of Tony’s. ANd he works for Channel 9.

Dak, You just don’t like NG which is fine. I don’t like a lot of people. That’s why they make chocolate and vanila. LOL

hi anita,do you have his name?

did we decide jp posed for that picture or is it super imposed

hi dak,was always wondering what your thoughts on events are,what has happened to caylee?

i agree catherine, being a mother hasn’t helped NG at all, she’s changed big time, i think she needs some time off

Maybe Dr. Phil could be her co host, he’s mean.

snooker,

So no description of what was on the pizza, just the dated receipt of 6-19-2008?

Bri, I agree.

Where is Kris?

Bri,

Making any sense yet?

i don’t know, she said she would be on the blog alot this week because she’ll be on vacation…i’ve been looking for her

catherine, i guess i’m brain dead today lol, i’m not getting it lol

so why put an empty pizza box in the trunk of the car ? and how is C claiming the pizza was the source of the odor ?

That’s my question why put an empty pizza box in your trunk?

The empty pizza box was in the white trash bag/blue handle with other paperstuff. C was just backtracking, never really saw the bag since G took it out of the trunk at the towyard and G must have mentioned it to C.

Thanks for the welcome! I have been reading this blog on a regular basis. Not sure I have ever seen anything quite like this case! This is an outstanding blog!

Last note on my Zenida=Casey theory, I remember Casey saying during her interrigation, and I hesitate to say this… during her own “investigation” when Caylee went missing, ” I went to places Zenida took Caylee. The parks, stores, Universal and the Fusion Bar.” FUSION BAR? The photos show Casey at Fusion bar, witnesses told police of how Casey took Caylee to the parks, the stores and Universal..anyway, that’s my silly theroy!

There are so many other issues that I’m quite sure the prosecution will reveal in court. One thing I’ve noticed too is, Lee has fallen off the face of the earth. He revealed the cellphone records to Padilla, made a few statements publically and then when the heat was turned up, he clammed up. I haven’t seen much of him lately.

I really think Lee’s involved more than Cindy or George. I think he may have even disturbed the crime scene/evidence. In someway, he knows what is up and is involved! I look forward to Lee’s testimony in this case, especially when I know he’ll be asked if Casey told him anything. He cannot hide behind any privledge. If a family member tells another anything pertaining to a case, they cannot withhold any information in court! He better sing or else he’ll be held in contempt!

Another interesting twist I did hear is someone stated that Lee may have given Casey a cellphone to use. Mike Brooks of CNN said, in response, ” If they think that would throw the investigators off, they’re wrong. Brooks continued, ” Again, without revealing ‘the feds’ technology, if there is any kind of cellphone activity coming from the home, it’s being monitored!They can track anything she is doing on a cellphone anywhere.”

Don’t forget too that,Baez and Casey, as Desi used to say to Lucy, “…have some explaining to do!” We worry about how convincing the evidence is the State has provided. But, the defense has to explain logically and convice to Jurors of no wrong doing on Casey’s behave on the following facts:

-Why Casey’s cellphone would be pinging in the woods near an airport.

-Where in the world Casey was going on those days she said she was going to work when records show she was unemployed!

-How parents had no idea she didn’t work at Universal Studios or anyplace and never saw Zanida.

- Why neighbors said, “Cindy and Casey were constantly fighting, shouting profanity at each other!” Lee’s statement about the on going “fued’ between Cindy and Casey. Then the Ants constantly claim in media, “we are a loving family.”

- How Cindy referred to no abuse ever toward Caylee, when; Cindy had no idea where Casey and Caylee, residents in her home, were for over a month! Explain, the Cindy choking Casey on 6/15 to the brink of Casey passingout incident. after Casey stold money from her grandmother!

- How Cindy wanted to, “press charges” on her “wonderful mother” daughter for stealing her car and money on the infamous initial 911 call!

- To quote Cindy, “Casey was a great Mother!” Casey was an, habitual lying, unemployed teen mother living off her parents, stealing from anyone she came in contact with, pawned off her daughter whenever possible, to go party and took Caylee to parties and had her sleep/”passout” on the couch wherever the party was! Not sure great is the word I would use…

- How on a video, at a time Casey stated, “I was absolutely terrified” in the days Caylee went missing. Casey seemed cool, calm and collected as she purchased party items, food and not one thing for her two year old daughter! She was cooking dinners with whomever she was shacked up with at the time and NEVER mentioned to anyone that Caylee was missing! “terrified”…ok!

Looks like I don’t have a life huh? I actually do! I am very busy currently, but do indulge in this “guilty” pleasure. I do love all of your comments and Simon’s views! I will try to be a “regular” from this point until Casey’s conviction! Thanks again for the welcome and positive response to my earlier post!

Dan
From SC!

sorry to change the subject, hi to everyone i just srolled down checking names yea!!! mamabear is back i looked this morning and no mb glad to see the blogger fam is all back, ok now i can go and read everyones blogs, yea!!! i feel all warm and fuzzy now :){{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}

Another great post, Dan! I look forward to your additions to this blog. The Anthony’s have a “through the looking glass” reality about how they want to appear and what’s really happening.

i need to log off for a bit, i’ll be back a little later…bye bye for now

MMT——CHECK OUT DANS POST:
Dan from SC said,in October 25th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
FOR PUZZLE

HEY ANNA

RIGHT ON ANNA

Dan you raise some intereting points(most of which I agree with. Question everyone talks about the fight where C chokes m… but where is that from. I thought everyone said it came from LV interview, but I went and relistened to it and it mentions they had issues going back to the day Caylee is born. but never mentions choking. I know there were rumors of fighting on June 15th by neighbors I think. Did the choking really happen and if so how do we know that. AS everyone clearly admits news people can twist alot around. Not knocking anybody’s thoughts just trying to see what is a fact by LE standards. Anyone who can shed light please feel free to tell me. IF you know where it is tell me I can go find it also.

concernedforcaylee said,Question everyone talks about the fight where C chokes m… but where is that from. I thought everyone said it came from LV interview

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That came from Padilla on Nancy Grace’s show but it has never been verified as far as I know.

Exactly, Allie. When you are caring for a child you buy all sorts of cheap, entertaining things to keep them busy. Crayons, coloring books, movies, etc. by the TRUCKLOAD. I don’t think that favorite book of Caylee’s and the doll would entertain a kid for long. She was obviously grieving that day with food, beer and lingerie.

Plus, when my credit card was stolen, this person had three kids, and you should have seen the stuff they bought….

I can guarantee the other hundred times she bought things for Caylee she wasn’t using her own money, so why would this time be different.

I also think Padilla may have gotten info from woman who spent all that time with M. We know she lied to everyone about everything so who knows what the truth is. But (And I don’t condone violence)choking M has crossed my mind a time or two.

would that not be normal routine to take dna swabs from all family and anyone else in contact with caylee prior to her going missing?

where is lv???? i dont believe he is in hiding just to write his blood money book…

i know how can this be such a wonderfull and loving family with the fights that go on? there must have been many more, and if c acted this way to m then how did m act twards little caylee? parents pass down more than good traits, i accually rember c saying at one x m got her parenting skills from her, i believe it was in the bond hearing where c was telling the judge how m disiplined caylee, about bringing her to eye level and saying look at mommy, how does that change so dramaticly to chocking someone, prob the norm in that house, wonder if any of the neighbors have been interviewed, also rember hearing g was upset that a neighbor who had known them for yrs, was happy the finaly indited m saying shes getting what she deserved, possibly these neighbors know alot about this family, when alot of disfunction is going on in one house its noticed and you dont have to be nosey to notice it either, its usualy the house you dont want your kids going or hanging out there/with, right?

Dan from SC…Great post… I’m not sure if anyone answered you regarding the whereabouts of MIA Lee… but according to all sources he’s busy writing a book, completely absorbed in making money off his niece’s tragedy.

also if they were truly looking for caylee who would have the time to go and explain yourselfs to neighbors or anyone els for that matter ? myself i probably wouldnt be hearing what anyone said i be looking for my missing child, and catching up on gossip later!

I bet LE doesn’t want them to look for Caylee, IF they found her, her remains, or anything else at all there would such questions of contamination its not even funny. I don’t know of cases where LE let family members actively(physically ) search when one of their own is accused. WOuld seem to be conflict of interest

I don’t either didn’t Padilla say on NG that the baby’s father was dead. That would leave the guy who died in N.C. Eric Lee Baker. who was 24. If it is the right Eric Baker of course.

plus wasn’t jp roomates with Tony, M had only met Tony in May of this year, how could this guy be the dad? Or am I getting him confused with someone else. Is Jp Tony’s roomate?

Minnie, with what you have seen do you think a grand Jury would give a true bill in 30 minnutes? That means LE had plenty more…… She will be Convicted. of murdering Caylee

MAMABEAR thanks… please be a second set of eyes for me so that I don’t miss anything to add to the puzzle list. It’s growing!

Actually Catherine I’ve never watched Dr Laura

Remember that C washed the pants Before anyone knew “Caylee had been kiddnapped” If she were really helping cover for m she would never have called the LE in the first place. G didn’t throw the bag in the trunk away the man from the tow yard did. G is the one who told LE about the bag and they went and got it from tow company trash.

I don’t I think you are ike me… lookng only for what is fact and not just rumor or speculation. I know LE has much more than this. She WILL be convicted. Caylee will get her justice. There will be plenty more evidence.

UR RIGHT ON WITH THIS C4C

I FEEL THAT WAY 2 ANNA

There is no medicine or ure for sociopaths that is what makes them so dangerous. They have no conscious, no sense of law. they are their own law and whatever they want is justifiable.

WE will all be here together when they find Caylee in a couple of weeks, when the trial starts, and when the verdict comes down. Know this to Minnie, I too am filled with doubts sometimes… This case can tear you up because we all know what is right… and it seems the laws and rights are tipped in the favor of the “bad guys” Justice will prevail.

yucky thought. Maybe I just thought they (c & g) thats why she is always in such a horrible mood.

cec, I’ve been a member of the Florida Bar a little over 20 years; I have never been counsel on a death penalty case. My practice over 20 years has averaged maybe 65 percent civil, 35 percent criminal; a notable percentage of the criminal clients were civil clients that picked up criminal charges during the course of the civil matter. I’ve represented several clients who were called as witnesses in death cases, and researched case law on a couple (also given feedback) for attorney friends involved. I don’t often develop an interest in publicized OR fictionalized cases. This one got my attention because it is here in Florida, has DCF* issues (Department of Children & Family Services) and some other attorneys were talking about it before Court last Monday morning. The next day a friend of mine who is a licensed foster parent brought it up, so I started reading about it………

*Most allegations of child abuse, neglect, and abandonment do not result in criminal charges. I usually have several dependency cases, as they are called in Florida, at all times.

PS. I can tell ya about criminal procedure in Florida if anybody has any questions. : )

DID YA’LL READ THIS:
Casey Anthony: Profile Of A Sociopath

blogcritics.org/archives/2008/10/19/222920.php

thankyou c4c,even now as i type i have tears thinking of this little girl i have never met but i realy love so much,i look at my own daughter and it just breaks my heart that caylee never had this love from her mother.

goodnite everyone.
cayleexxx

Anita, I am sorry if you felt you were being ignored. I went back and looked I don’t even show a posting from you for the last hour and a half. Did I miss it? Please ask again I wouldn’t ignore anyone on purpose. I do hope you will come back we all are important and have good incite. YOU ARE RIGHT.

BYE NITA

NITE MINNIE

Why 5 person blog speak? Not sure I understand the comment

Anita, when is the last time you posted. I scrolled back a ways and didn’t see one from you. I am willing to answer or discuss your opinion. Tell me where to find it and I will go back and look.

Anita,

I always cared about your opinion, and agree that there is a lot of repeating the same old things over and over again. I hope you come back to the blog.

Speak To Me.

Sorry, please give the blog another chance. We all want the same thing Justice for Caylee.

val said,in October 25th, 2008 at 6:04 pm Possible Add for Justice for Caylee Puzzle:
Date when Puerto Rico plans/texts started
Date when money was stolen from Grandfather
Date if ticket purchased and price
Date of cancellation of plans and reasons
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Hi Val! Thanks for you additions for the Justice for Caylee Puzzle. I’m adding in what I can, but I never heard anything about a ticket being purchased. Do you know if that’s a fact? I did hear that when she had to cancel plans for the trip that’s when she started looking up missing children’s sites…. so I’ll add that one too. Let me know if you there was a ticket purchased

to ca, we need some strong prayers that are little caylee will be found, or at least some evedince of her i believe with your prayers and all of us together praying she will be found, they say 2 people toghther praying brings the lords presence? i believe he is with always and with enough people together justice will be done goodnight all keep up the good work and am praying ( i hope i didnt offend anyones beliefs) just stating my own

hello to everyone. Can’t stay long but wanted to see how all my friends are doing? Mamabear kept me updated a little and about the puzzle (or list) that MMT started! I read part of it but haven’t had time to read the whole blog page. What a fun idea! MMT….your always full of good ideas! I need to read to catch up here so I know what’s been happening, so I’ll be silent as I read…but I”m still here.

Anita, don’t leave. You and everyone else are an important part of our blog. We’ve all felt left out of the conversation at one time or another, (even myself), but trust me, no one intentionally does that. Sometimes, rehashing brings up new ideas, especially when new bloggers come aboard. email me at mrnmrsmaas@hotmail.com before you decide to leave…K?

WASN’T JUST U C4C, I DID IT TOO. WAS AN “OVER LOOK”.

CHSAH FOR ONE:
SPEAK TO ME said,in October 25th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

CHSAH,

Hi how are you?

anita
i answered you at 6.08 but u didnt reply.

Anita,

Email me decoranddetails@att.net

Hi Bri,

People are leaving left and right. I wonder why?

catherine, YOU GOT MAIL !

NITE MINNIE……

you are both welcome. sometimes we all need a reminder of what is truly important. I was reminded and will try and do better. goodnight Minne, Anita,

catherine, i haven’t a clue, i had to leave for a little while to get some chores done…has kris been on yet ?

Bri, Thanks for the recipe.

who is disenchanted now ? who ever it is, stay for a while and you’ll that for the most part we all get along, sometimes we have a small spat, but then we get over it and move on…we all have the same concern about little caylee, that’s the glue that holds us together

yep and we all need to stay strong and keep waiting… This thing will drag on for a while yet. Peach are you still here. If you answered my question about the info laws in FLa. I missed it. I think it is great to have a person in law involved to explain some of this stuff and maybe you could give us a sense of how much evidence is needed for a conviction.

CFC,

I agree and I also think we all would take a break, and have a laugh then get back to talking about Caylee.

For some reason there are lots of eggshells in this room for no reason.

CAT DOES GOOD 2. ON THE LEGAL STUFF

Dak, Your right. So let’s agree to stop it.

Thanks for agreeing Cat.

Your welcome. Dak

Hi catherine! I can’t even begin to get caught up….I get further behind! LOL….missed you guys!

U KNOW WHAT DAK—————I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT MY CALLER ID AND HAVE DECIDED TO PICK UP THE PHONE AFTER ALL. IF YOU WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ID: “SPEAK TO ME”. FOR THAT NAME TO JUST POP IN HERE WITH THIS TO SAY: “anita,you are absoutly right. only a select few will answer each others post. if this is a blog friendly site,its not for me.”

THAT ISN’T A TROUBLE MAKER?
AND THE NAME DOES SAY WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT

that’s right, a little laughter can go a long way, sort of breaks up the stress…but we always go back to the topic

Exactly, Bri

IS THAT MY “SIGN”?

LMAO C4C……..2 FUNNY.

thanks c4c lol, i have been spending to much time on blogging and neglection my house hold chores, i hate a dirty house and everyone can write their names in all my dusty furniture, i haven’t vacumed for a long time, and centepedes are coming in from the cold ugh i’ll have to break down and get with it, tomorrow might be a better idea lol

cat don’t you secretly want to though? I know I would love to walk into OCSD and say I am here to help investigate this case and read all about it. Now that would be a dream>>> alas All I can do is sit at my computer and blog my investigative dream But I bet we are not far off on alot of it. We share alot of good thoughts and ideas. We always need a good devil’s advocate. That game was fun. anyone want to play again.

Dak, Your posts really make us think, so don’t stop posting. OK

thanks peach.. now does everything that get turned over to the defense automatically become public information? Everyone keeps talking about LE leaks, but doesn’t the news people havea right to request info and they get it. Isnt that what that one motion by BB to have M secretly travel so news would get hold of it.

CFC,

Oh yes I would love that.

Peach said earlier been part of Fla bar for 20 years, mostly civil but some criminal.

oh ok, thanks c4c, so peach, give us your oppinion on the case

MAMA ineve said Speak to me was or wasn’t a troublemaker or that that makes a diffrence my point was to not assume just because they come in here like that that they are someone else. You were basically assuming SPEAK was RV and that was what I was talking about.

o.k. does everyone want to play devil’s game. I will be devil unless someone else wants to volunteer. Rules of game are you ask any question of whoever I am and I will answer only with info that was provided in LE interviews if I know it. You can correct me if I state it wrong. This gives us each a chance to hear the other side. If you want to play type only one question at a time. last time i think I missed some questions trying to keep up.
Let me know who I am and lets getting going on this. Only one hard to do is M because all we have are the lies(she admits the

I HAVE TURNED MY PHONE OFF TO U DAK AND ALSO MY CALLER ID.

Is that the same game we played the other night CFC?

Bri, It is fun.

MAYBE YOU COULD GET A VOLEN.FOR “M”

yep, but there are ways to express a tone and it makes one become defensive. I have been off and on most of the afternoon, and I think that was the first post by speak that I saw. While I admit that doesn’t make them RV when someone seems to attack out of no where you naturally think they must “know us” as in chatted under a different name. Maybe I missed other posts by speak. Anita is a different story she has been in here before.

i want to play the ask the question game !

shoot i have to think up good questions !

you go girfriend !

I KNOW ANITA AND DIDNT THINK THAT WAS HER AS SPEAK.

Anita,

I will email you. Please stay and play this game, you will enjoy it.

LADIES, we had a blow out last night, lets not do it again tonight

Please answer this question with a yes or a no

Did you tuck your grandchild in bed on the night of June, 15th?

agreed dak… but we are all human. Lets just play the game. You could even be devil’s advocate if you want. You defend the questions based solely on info in Le interviews. You’d be good at it.

CFC

Question 1 was asked.

Next question

CAT U DON’T HAVE A FOLLOW UP ? TO THAT?

are we supose to wait for the answer ? or do we bombard c4c with questions ?

I THOUGHT U WERE LEADING UP TO SOMETHING ELSE

cfc Ask for the next question

next question

ok, i have a whopper, yet a little confused about how to phrase the question…hmmm here goes…G what did you mean by not liking the odor in the car trunk ? what was it that raised red flags for you ?

G what did you mean by not liking the odor in the car trunk ? what was it that raised red flags for you ?

Well having worked in LE before that smell is very troubling to me. It bothers me alot. I am not going to lie. It bothers me.

so what did the smell remind you of ??? i hope i
m posing the questions right

Anita,

I know you are not “Speak” you have always been Anita,

Hugs

so what did the smell remind you of ??? i hope i
m posing the questions right

Well I guess my first thought was it smelled like a dead body ( guessing he didn’t actually say that in interview)

questions are fine Bri.

concernedforcaylee said,in October 25th, 2008 at 8:29 pm yep, but there are ways to express a tone and it makes one become defensive. I have been off and on most of the afternoon, and I think that was the first post by speak that I saw. While I admit that doesn’t make them RV when someone seems to attack out of no where you naturally think they must “know us” as in chatted under a different name. Maybe I missed other posts by speak. Anita is a different story she has been in here before.

Cindy, Why did you give your daughter 31 days before you finally decided to actually go out and look for her and Caylee.

I didn’t didn;t wait 31 days. I was looking and calling her the whole time asking to see Caylee. But when we got the car from the impound yard there was information in the car with amy’s number. That is how I tracked her down.

sorry I wasn’t clear I was saying anita has been in here before as anita I recognize the name “anita” The thought speak was rv not ANita I promise.

MMT, can you email me what we have for the puzzle already, I would like to think about it and maybe add somethings as we go?

I GOT THAT C4C. CAN U SEE IT NITA?

so cindy, what did you do ? why didn’t you go choke M’s neck again ? why did M ask for one more day ?

As you all have heard Casey had made some new friends, I didn’t know how to contact them. I thought she was working, or on vaction. At first I had no reason to doubt her… but then things began piling up. I didn’t know where she was so I couldn’t even go to her much less…. She was saying that Caylee was sleeping, or busy and I could see her tomorrow. I thought she was just still mad at me about the arguement we had because of the money.

AND ANITA, I JUMPED AND SAID THAT CUZ I THOGHT C4C THOUGHT– I THOUGHT IT WAS U SO I SAID ”
I KNOW ANITA AND DIDNT THINK THAT WAS HER AS SPEAK.
CUZ I

Anita said,in October 25th, 2008 at 8:46 pm MAMABEAR said,in October 25th, 2008 at 8:31 pm I KNOW ANITA AND DIDNT THINK THAT WAS HER AS SPEAK.

Lilred……..awwwwww, thanks for the warm fuzzy! We ALL needed that!

next question:
I would guess that you began to find it odd that Casey did not allow you to speak to Caylee, regardless of the time of day you called. Why did you not ask for “the nanny’s” phone number so you could call Caylee directly?

im not a lawer or forensic sientist or some great scholar
***************************************
THAT is a description of every juror that may sit on the case. The jury sits as a trier of fact. They apply the law but are not to tainted by personal experience, knowledge & prejudices about the legal system , scientific evidence or the individuals involved. They may have a sickening job to do in this case.

Since contemplating opinions often leads to insight……..what do other posters think? Was Caylee’s presumed death accident, gross negligence, or an intentional act?

(dang C4C…you ARE good at this.

Catherine….come on throw a tough question at her!

Anita, you still here?

Peach….guilty of murder in the first degree (intentional)

Peach I believe it was an intentional act. The missing child search(depends on search date) the research of Chloroform. the negative comments about her to friends (Snothead and such) The covering for the smell. no apparent panic on anything she did after. other than nightmares and who knows what those were about?

Is ‘t it a faxt C that you told your daughter’s friends that she was a thief, a liar and an unfut mother
Yes i did when I was angry

C would never just answer with one word sorry

C4C….I guess I wanted to keep from bugging the nanny. To my knowledge at the time she had taken good care of Caylee and i didn’t want to put her in the middle of a battle between me and Casey.
(adlibed of course)

can I object here and call you a liar????? (just kidding!) your doing good.

Your honor please dirext the witness to answer my question.

C4C….I guess I wanted to keep from bugging the nanny. To my knowledge at the time she had taken good care of Caylee and i didn’t want to put her in the middle of a battle between me and Casey.
(adlibed of course)

can I object here and call you a liar????? (just kidding!) your doing good.

Yes you can… but I would argue that even her friends (some) had heard the name at least as far back as I think 6 months and we have no evidence (yet) that C knew there was no Zanny.
Thanks for the compliment

cat didn’t I answer it at 9:02

CRAP BRI. I DIDN’T KNOW M BONDED WITH CAYLEE

c4c….that was funny! You have cindy down to a t…..extra words and all! (lol).

Good question Cat! I posted my comment before I read you sent a question already. Come on……..remember those “lawyer days” and give cindy (C4C) the third degree! LOL…

bri is that a question for C

Yes or No C.

Yes

chsah as long as you all don’t send the linch mob to Texas we are fine.
lol

OHHHHHH OK. GOT IT………

i want to know why M was bonding with caylee 3 yrs later

at first when Casey didn’t bring Caylee by I did think that she just wanted to try and bond with her. After all Caylee and I were really close and I think she felt threatened by me. The only way Casey thought she could bond with Caylee was if I wasn’t there. And I wasn’t worried at first. But as time wore on and I didn’t even get to talk to her it overwhelmed me and I started to panic.

reading some blogs see a blogger named peach and her theory on this, that is the newest one we’ve ever talked of on here that C killed caylee?.. VERY interesting and different theory!!! does make a person wonder ( if only for a second)

Pammy.

We are playing a game. Concerned for Caylee is on the witness stand pretending to be one of the Ant’s and we are all playing the prosecuter. We ask a question and she gives us an answer. If you scroll up a little bit you will understand how it is played.

Pammyliz. The evidence does indicate there was a decomposing body in trunk. But because the dna is only partial strand it can not 100% say it was Caylee instead it says that it came from someone in te same maternal family. So they have concluded it is most likely either M (who is still alive) or Caylee whom no one has seen for months. its just technical stuff. and one news report made it seem like there was a shovel in the trunk of the car. Dont think anyone has proven if there really is another shovel or if report is just wrong. I am C right now so ask any questions you want.

does any of my questions make sense as far as the state of mind for M, how she didn’t care less for caylee and that she never bonded with her child…

thanks for the update, but m is not dead and would have no dead strand???? I do see you all playing the game but was so confused, is there somewhere to read that forensic report? they showed it on NG briefly… are all of you now doubting murder? and now saying manslaugter? is the general consensus changing? cause I am no more confused, I mean I never will doubt that M killed ths child, NEVER, but from the way i heard it they said one hair strand live one dead, alive in the rtunk and then died in the trunk

Cindy, you appear to have loved Caylee very much. You provided for her financially, emotionally, physically more often than not, especially since Caylee and Casey lived with you since Caylee’s birth. Why would you not ever feel the need to know how to contact the ‘nanny’, via phone, address, etc. especially if something were to happen to Casey? How would you know where to pick up Caylee?

Yes I DO love Caylee very much and I always provided for her. I had no reason to not trust what Casey was telling me. Everynight when I came home and saw Caylee she looked fine and seemed happy and well cared for. She was home every night until June and that is when things seemed out of hand a little bit. Casey just needed time to adjust to being a young mother. She loves Caylee, you don’t know her like I do.

Bri, yes

With our follow up questions

I am in no way doubting it was murder. everyone was just hoping for more damaging info it is all still pretty much the same pamm.

pammyliz…..OH NO……i still say it was ALL intentional and premediated!

So Ms. Anthony your daughter did not leave the home to bond with her daughter she left because you kicked her out of yur home. Yes or No Ms. Anthony?

MMT, missed your post re: the list. I put the ticket question in there because I hadn’t heard whether she had actually purchased one or how much they were, since she stole $300 plus dollars to possibly pay for it. Did the parents get that money back or was it gone already? I would really like to see M’s money trail over the past two years!

So Ms. Anthony your daughter did not leave the home to bond with her daughter she left because you kicked her out of yur home. Yes or No Ms. Anthony?

Yes Casey and I had a fight but she wanted to be a more responsible parent for Caylee and I think she felt she needed time away from us in order to do that. It was too easy while in our house to just let me or George step in and do things. Caylee was used to coming to us for things. It is how it always was.

Yes or No Ms Anthony

ok guys thanks I was confused that maybe with what they have shes gonna get a manslaughter or something.. I believe they have more tho and are waiting for trial.. i am not sure how their playing this case, its very confusing, the guy on NG the analyst for forensics said this was no animal, HUMAN, he siad a live hair and dead hair are found from either M or caylee,,, he practically said shes dead!! and thats it, thats wht i heard i was not discouraged, i was encouraged bu what he said that they have her now, she cannot prove why would her caylee be in that trunk DEAD no way!! plus the other evidence and her own words alone… mama i will go to the link. my girl fell asleep by the time i got to go cuddle with her.. I hate the afternoon shift i miss my girl so much…

next question:

Cindy, you still haven’t answered my question. What plan did you have if an emergency (ie…Casey is in an accident or killed) and Casey was unable to get Caylee. What avenue would you have taken to assure Caylee was picked up since you did not know the nanny’s phone number, address, physical appearance, and all the important factors needed in order to pick up your grandaughter?

Ms. Anthony did you tell the 911 operator that your daughter car smelled like there’s been a dead body in the car? Yes or No

Good question CHSAH

i’ll brb, i want to continue this game…

Cindy, you still haven’t answered my question. What plan did you have if an emergency (ie…Casey is in an accident or killed) and Casey was unable to get Caylee. What avenue would you have taken to assure Caylee was picked up since you did not know the nanny’s phone number, address, physical appearance, and all the important factors needed in order to pick up your grandaughter

Well that is a good question… I knew that Casey had found the nanny through friends from work Jeff Hopkins, so I had no reason to doubt what she told me. I was trying to let Casey be in control of things. Everyone thinks I was always in control over her but that is not true. Casey was responisble she just trusted the wrong person. Looking back I probably should have asked more questions, maybe I couldn’t have prevented these people from taking advantage of Casey’s trust and Caylee would still be here with all of us.

only thing I heard about her guilt is maybe the nightmares she had with Tony… but we don’t know what she dreamed about. she told Tony it was because she was afraid he would leave her. It could be she was dreaming about getting caught. or maybe she was seeing a ghost.

thank you…no I am remembering to the best of my ability. Let me know if I get the details wrong. that is how we help each other with this game.

those wer’ent nightmares, i don’t think she has nightmares, you have to have a consccience, first then you will have a nightmare…she got caught sneaking back into bed after doing the sex act with nate the room mate

Bri, Your not going to let that go are you? LAMO

might be right Bri, I was just stating what Tony had said. We have no proof of what it was it could have been about getting caught. not neccassrily relating to regret I do believe she is a sociopath. C4C not C in this comment.

GOTTA GO TO BED. NITE E1
(((((HUGGS)))))

yes mmt it can be easy to miss a post and not be intentional at all. there are alot of people on here who truly do care and want justice for Caylee. I think the puzzle Idea is a good one. not sure if there is a place everyone could see it or add to it. But it could act as a summary of facts and help trigger thoughts about things we have seen or read in this case. there is so much out there we need all we can get,

I agree Bri, but then there is nothing “normal” about this case for sure.

But to “care” about a miscarriage you have to have feelings. I don’t think everyone does view it the same. I do…. but then others are different. what about women who have abortions. Did they bond or care. Please note I am questioning concept not making statement about abortion at all. Some people don’t view unborn babies as people so the bonding process doesn’t always happen prior to birth.

mytwocents-The Original said, at 4:50 pm
ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE =
MMT - this is a little messy for a list but maybe there is a way to include this info:
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Thanks! I did add it to the list. I love when you started your comment with ADD TO THE JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE PUZZLE = because it immediately caught my attention as I was scrolling through the blogs. Thanks for doing that, it made my job easier!

ok I am back I went and read that report and I am a lay person only they are the experts trained in this stuff, from what I am reading although not coming out and saying conlusively, they did conclusively say there was a decomposing somebody in that car!!! nomatter all the other stuff also they found AND conclusively about the chlorofrm… so, i am surmising someone died in that car from lack of oxygen… and that someone can only be caylee. unless some other dead person she killed along with caylee…the shovel, well could she not have rinsed it off in the waters out near burial????? i still say what they came out with is better than nothing..there is still no caylee…. and mom is held responsible. I do have one to add to your game….

CINDY and GEORGE

why have you not gone to puerto rico looking for your grandchild? you have the money why not go and scour over there and look and look, because every day has passed and if you feel shes alive maybe there, why would you be here on the tv and not there???????????? you once stated you will not leave any stone unturned till you find her, and yet, no trip there to look? why? you don’t work right now
you have americans sending money to your family…I mean why not go and look and ask and talk and open every door like you said> you would?

she will never confess to any minister and she will never tell what happened, as peterson never did either…she will either be convicted on what we know and maybe more to come or she will be set free, one thing gho she will never ever confess… there is so much evil in this world, its scary…isee it every day… and stil i have faith in people, but in M , no faith she will turn to God… she is fearing god I am sure because she know sthe truth and god knows all…our thoughts, our hearts, our sins, every shred of what we are he knows. you cannot run from God… so even if she doesn’t get a conviction she and others (o.j.) will have to face the final jury someday, and that to me would be scarier than a florida prison cell…

George to above post also. As ex law enforcement I also know that everything I do is suspect and even if I found evidence that exonerated my daughter everyone would think I planted it, so it is better to let others hunt for me to protect everyone.

C-

your saying you have others there? are they there right now? are they calling with reports of the findings???? where is puerto rico are thye at right now? can we phone puerto rico right now and get them on the phone?

G- are they watching us right now in the courtroom? all the “peoples” who are watching.. are they here now?

did I miss something too???? I didn’t see anything about a dog????

C, most of us have had children or grandchildren and it is common for the children to talk about their day, as you’ve stated, ie…went to the park for example. In the videos of Caylee, she appears to be very normal at her age for speech, dramatic’s etc. Are you telling this court, that not ONCE did Caylee ever mention the nanny in reference to “the beach, park, mcdonald’s, playing, universal studio visits, etc”????

I can honestly say that nothing stands out to me right now that Caylee said specifically about the nanny. But I will be honest I wasn’t really dissecting everything she was saying then. It is easy to look back and say I should have thought this or that.

Bri, I know that dog is your baby, and you just love that dog. That photo was so cute.

not sure about the dog thing lol but before i had my girl, (never having a child yet), my cat was like a child to me , people used to tease me because I made that cat like a human ( in fact true story one day i called for my little jacko outside he camr running and he started meowoing so happy to see me, i swore he meowed MAMA)… lol… nothing weird or wrong about that, loving any person or animal is all about ..love… plain and simple

Cat. I am sure by now most people have figured out that I am a believer and so I to am prolife and don’t understand the other side. But I do recognize that the people who are prochoice do not believe life begins at conception therefore it is not a life they are taking. I think M sees it the same way. Caylee was merely an object or method of getting what she wanted. (maybe attention from parents, control over cindy so she let he get away with things, maybe not working for a while) who knows but when it became inconveint and the bad out weighted the good she got Rid of her. for any pro choice people in here I AM NOT COMPARING YOUR IDEAS TO M IN ANY WAY. PLEase don’tbe offended. Even if I dont agree with abortion, I think there is a difference in choosing that and what M did to beautiful Caylee.

This fighting is just too much for me. I’m out of here.

Lighten up MMT

MMT, she said polack, not Pollock. Don’t be offended, I don’t think she meant any harm by it. Your an intelligent person, so see if for just a simple error of words. I don’t think it was an attack per se’. If you are Polish then you should be proud of that heritage and not let one’s joking make you any less proud! I know you……you got it off your chest and now your ready to move on…….i’m proud of ya.

cat, what was the comment from Bri? I was lost, was something said in this blog?

Catherine, I have the right to voice my opinion and I will go on doing so.

C-

you say it with such heart, so mam let me ask you WHERE IS CAYLEE???

you say ZANEIDA has her

ok.

for what reason did zaneida take caylee..?? did zaneida not have children? she wanted to taise caylee as her own? like steal her to be a mama… I mean you’ve ever really said where caylee is.. and why zaneida took her.. in your opinion… why would Z take your precious caylee from you and casey??? your so firm that Z has her, now youra smrt woman ( i think) why did she take her cindy?

I’m planning to stay, so let’s move on…

C4C…..good answer. You didn’t have to answer that one though…I was just teasin’ ya.

MMT….your a good gal. Hold your head high. You have alot of respect on this blog so don’t let an innocent comment ruin ur day. (can’t get my smiley face (winky winky) to work! sorry.

C

let me re-prhase

WHY DID Z TAKE CAYLEE???? not would why DID she take caylee cindy??? the million dollar question of the year here…
why did Z take caylee??? your baby? why not some other womans baby? some other pretty 3 year old. why caylee/?????????????????

Cecy if you or anyone else is getting that stressed about this then take a little time from blogging and do something creative. This case sure hasn’t stressed me out and I have been taking time out of all this and given more time to my family.

Cat, don’t leave….this has been fun! We all get frazzled at times and taken things personal……heck…I have! But we always come back and make it work. (can’t make my smiley guy work so just picture the sad smiley face!)

Others have even experienced equipment malfunction, having to tape laptops together and install new software to deal with the barrage of information that must be perused to help find this child. For all we know, there are folks out there whose computers have actually crashed from data overload on this crime, perusing ping charts and text message records until they were practically blind.

THIS IS ABSOULTELY HILARIOUS!!!

C

let me re-prhase

WHY DID Z TAKE CAYLEE???? not would why DID she take caylee cindy??? the million dollar question of the year here…
why did Z take caylee??? your baby? why not some other womans baby? some other pretty 3 year old. why caylee/?????????????????

I don’t know maybe to punish Casey, or maybe because Caylee was such an exceptional child. I really don’t know why someone would evr want to take or hurt Cayee.

But TRUE! Good thinking Cecy! I’d type more, but I have to hold the lid up to my laptop with one hand! ROFL

Earth to Dak - Intentional Humor Alert!

I’m sorry I interrupted the game. I really am. I just couldn’t help myself. We haven’t had a good laugh about turkey franks or stripper poles today and I just had to throw that in.

cecy

i had that worry the other day what would i do if computer decided now to crash on me? my instant thought was well theres the library!!! gess now thats obsessive over this case..

yes I know and some of the questions are Hard to answer. Why would some one who doesn’t exist choose to pick on m and frame her for the death of Caylee? The only people who would do this is one who has a vested interest like m who wanted freedom and to punish C.

Caylee has stolen America’s heart, thank you, you’re very sweet to say those things.

But, after reading Catherine’s remark that I don’t voice my opinion I police this blog. And evidently she knows that “a lot of people are sick of it.” then she gives me, what I’m reading as a sarcastic “wink, wink” I feel like she may get these people she’s talking about together to write to Jan and get me booted off this site.

I have been on this blog for a long time and enjoy Simon and Jan’s articles as well as all the bloggers comments. But, sometimes frustrations do pop up. Now I hear that “a lot of people” are sick of the things I say, maybe we should take a vote. I’ll leave peacefully if I’m voted off. But, all ballots have to be counted.

c4c, you did a great job of answering the questions we gave. I know some had to be (adlib), but for the most part, every bit of what you said is what we have all gathered from the reports, etc. Good job!

CHSAH

LOL LOL

CHSAH - LMAO!

pammy - i’m right there with you! it’s like you go to an instant backup plan.

MNT

do not be silly, your not leaving… I understand how you felt i don’t like personal attacks either on looks and name calling i despise.. i’ve said it before on here. but to leave?? no way you can’;t leave till this is over!!!! its about caylee.. not us…

lol i can just see me already at the library like a nutcase ” honey go and read a book mommy is busy trying to get on blogger news here and be quiet honey its a library” and me typing like a maniac and others looking at me especially when I am lauhging out loud… yes i can see my actually getting in the car making the drive to eh darn libray for a temp computer LOL

Well said C4C!

Okay Catherine, thanks, I appreicate you saying that!

concernedforcaylee, you are so right… the only side is Caylee.

I’m sorry to all for getting so testy.

Thanks for accepting my apology. I truly like you very much.

AMEN

concerned in texas I agree that is why I voted present. I will not choose between them they are both great respected bloggers, and I might add both have taken the high road. Group hug everyone.

pammyliz, thanks! You, my dear, are so funny! I just read your comment about being the only person left on the blog.

You know with all the cold weather we get here, us Michiganders have to have a good sense of humor. Now, I have to go back and read all the comments so I can catch up with all of you.

BIG GROUP HUG

where is our other therapist besides MNT? his name is bob newhart lol

Well said pammy and I know everyone respects yours too. the best part about this blog to me is we are a group of people who choose to get together and discuss something that matters to us all Caylee. While I don’t agree with everyone all the time, I do agree that everyone has the right to think and feel the way they do. I also have been involved in some fierce debates that sometimes felt like I was being harrassed, but that was another day. Today is a new day and one more day less that m has to think she will get away with it and one less day till they find Caylee and bring her home. If i didn’t have this sight my family would probably already have me committed because of being obsessed over this case.

I scrolled up to read and didnt find any bump posts today,she is M.I.A.

someone just told me the same thing about volunteering to help be an advocate for children…I was told you can find this in your own cities through CPS or child abuse programs

you forgot padilla ( good guy characters) my question who wants to be M??? lol

OMG no the pretty one who was attacked in her home? wow how horruble, I’ll have to go and read about that…

yes that is the one. I saw it when I went back to find out when bump was on last which 24 at 11:08 pm

CFC - that is so sad! i heard today her attacker broke nearly every bone in her face and that she fought back bravely.

I am sorry she died, but somehow, after having had to go through such a terrible ordeal, and knowing what she would have had to do to even survive, I feel kinda like I do about Caylee who I know is in a beautiful, peaceful place and can suffer no more.

yes you are right about the better place. I can only imagine the amount of damage to her brain. I am not sure I ever heard how long she was in her bed after the attack before her mom found her. I feel so much for her family. Last I heard they thought it was random? That makes no sense at all. That much violence would indicate its personal.

yea grand papa bear

M would be the one I couldn’t even pretend for. out of all of the interviews I listened to she really said nothing at all. At least G & C had answers, even if I don’t like them it was something. She is just a bag of nothing asnwers. I don’t think I could even adlib her fairly.

now that is quite a costume I can see why he prefered fla. less likely of getting into trouble or looking suspicious.

i think more of a cross between jason/freddie krueger/Hannibal lecter. Add some Ted Bundy and alittle bit of peterson(scot and drew) wow or should I say look out world.

Catherine, I apologize too, I just got a little too hot under that collar. Thanks for understanding!

Concerned in Texas… OMG… I didn’t know that you were on here, where do I hide? I’m embarrassed to say that this hallo that plopped on my head keeps falling off. Something is telling me that I don’t really deserve it. Dang it anyway. In all seriousness, thanks for the VOTE of confidence! I promise that we will all keep plugging away TOGETHER, until there is justice for Caylee. Please take a look at my 2:35 pm and 2:46 pm post because I know you that you will come up with many ideas to add to our “Justice for Caylee Puzzle”

Snookers, please no hard feelings. I hope I didn’t scare you off. I didn’t mean to come off like an old Polish mad woman. Sometimes our feelings are just a little too close to the surface! I think I was one of the first people you met on this blog and I still enjoy reading your comments.

Now, if there is anyone else that I owe an apology to… you got it!

I sure can get myself in to some deep doo doo, can’t I?

awww how sweet about your dad… I will take pics I got a goth kind of wicth outfit caue I didnt wanan scare her she is sooooooooooo excited mama is dresing up too! I wasnt going to until she started saying i should be buzz lightyear and i said how about a witch? she yelled yah yah, so ihave the outfit the nails i got spider earrings, a bat necklace, the only sad thing its a sexy wicth outfit meant for a big chest which i do not have, so i better get those inserts or something, wonder where M got her push up bras?? lol

my girl jsut can’t wait. her first year she was 6 months old we went as mama and baby angels… she looked so breathtaking in her little whit eangel outfit, i swear I never seen anything more beautiful in my life, cause she is that to me a hand picked god sent angel right off one of his clouds up there, and caylee was one too, but she needed to be returned god felt, for bigger reasons.. she may have been needed to be back there to be the leader of all the other angels ready to flock down, she ws just too special to be kept here…… or God felt the mama he sent her too was just too undeserving of her… tears…

Hi Christina,

I will try to address this to you the best I can. I understand what you are asking me but please bare with me right now because I have been sick the past few days and am slow.

To begin with another blogger can not tell you what you can talk about on here but us. I personally don’t see anything wrong with having a place to vent even if it is off topic from time to time. In fact I have had my own private chat room on MIRC for 8 years myself for that very reason, that has slowed down almost to a halt since I have been working on Blogger News ( not enough time anymore LOL)

I have been trying to keep my eye on the comments but they do come in the hundreds so it is not always easy. I did see yesterday where there was a problem with someone but I couldn’t sit at my computer long enough to do anything ( I am sorry about that)

If there is a particular person that is giving you a problem, if you can send me their username and the time and which article they caused problems in, I will check it out and do something about it.

Chatting about everyday life on here does cause a problem once the comments go past a certain number because it slows down the process in opening the page. If you would like, I also write about a soap opera, The Young and the Restless. I usually do it 5 days a week, except I didn’t do it yesterday, cause of me being sick. If you and the other women care to go in there and communicate you are welcome to it.

The Caylee story is slowing down some for now with not much new news so there is not much I can write about without being accused of repeating myself. (there are some people out that that get bothered about that LOL)

Either that or I would be happy to have all of you join in my chat room on MIRC but they would have to download the program, it is free, even though they try to tell you that you have to pay, you don’t.

I hope this answers your question and we do appreciate the support you all have given Blogger News. Feel free to let me know of any problems at all.

Have a great weekend

Jan Barrett

this is in regards to personal chat on here…

See Jan doesnt mind waht we talk about…the only problem is it slos down the down load…just wantd to let yahll kno!!!

c4C - Downing! That’s right. One of them died, the other was maimed for life and the older girl I think couldn’t even talk. The prosecutor and his wife ended up adopting them which made me so happy.

yes those are the thoughts we need to go to sleep with… the happy endings It will make it easier for all of us.

speaking of which, i have some slumber needs to attend to. I honestly did not go to bed at all last night - I was looking at ping charts.

I need an intervention!!!

‘nite ladies! thanks for your energy and your indisputably valuable company!

hope everyone enjoyed our game of devil’s advocate. maybe we can play again tomorrow. Anyone can play and its a creative way to rethink evidence. Hope to read with you all tomorrow. I am going to call it a night thought. May God Bless and keep each one of you.

o.k. look forward to it and consider it an obession. i have read it all and listened to it all. I am not dreaming anymore at least. Good night beens and sweet dreams to you too.

anytime that’s what friends are for

Add to the justice for caylee puzzle.1. george statement the body in my grandaughters car is not my grandaughter.2 cindys statement maybe someone put a dead body in the car after it was towed.3 geroge statement overpowering smell of death coming from the car,all the facts add up to a dead body in the car period,if not caylee’s then whose,have the police questioned cindy and george about who they thought the dead body belong to?

gonna go for now. nite to all. The game tonight was fun…

wonderful prayer cfc…..Amen.

Glad we all agree to disagree….and still luv each other afterwards!!

Hi everyone..I am not going to stay on long, not a good day again…just wanted to see what was going on and if there’s anything new?

add to the justice for caylee puzzle,lee not wanting to do poly test convincing c and g not to take it,why?lee not wanted to give his dna sample why,his laughing on the smell of the car that is serious business,apoint on the smell of the car and dead body in car all said before the air test samples came back,and the boom all stories changed

Caylee has stolen America’s heart said,at 8:49 pm “MMT, can you email me what we have for the puzzle already, I would like to think about it and maybe add somethings as we go?”

I don’t have your email address, was there a link attached to the above message that didn’t show up for me? Let me know and I’ll email it tomorrow.

cec, the G.A.L. program still operates here in north Florida. They are the voice of the child. And involvement in that kind of program (I’ve heard a couple states use the term “child advocate program”) is something people really can do for Caylee. SOME such programs have ways people can contribute. If you can’t find a program to help, find a foster family in need of extras.* Everybody can contribute in some way to a dependent child. As for ethnic slurs and remarks about Baez, he is doing the job that must be done for justice to be served. I want Casey Anthony to receive a vigorous defense, careful consideration of all evidence by an unbiased trier of fact, and such punishment as the law provides if convicted. THAT will honor Caylee Anthony.

(I personally lean toward seeing her rot at Lowell; remember, child abusers/killers are at the bottom of the food chain in most prisons. There is often a code of justice on the inside too and thieves, drug addicts, forgers and robbers can find ways of expressing their opinions about such individuals. Not pleasant for the recipient.

Forty years in stir is usually a lot worse punishment than a few years wait on Death Row. Death Row inmates have more physical protection, nicer accommodations, and more privileges. the state wants ‘em alive & well on execution day. Toss Anthony in the general population & she may not last long. Yea, I’m a “real” attorney. I got the office supply receipts to to prove it. It is individuals like most of those posting however that will decide Casey Anthony’s fate. And while justice cannot be meted out by public opinion poll, attention to cases like this helps ensure the state will expend adequate resources to prepare their case.)

*Florida’s foster system is drastically underfunded. Piddling monthly stipends, a pittance for school clothes and ONE, yes ONE, cheap gift at Christmas per child. The first Xmas gift I plan each year is $$$$ my family contributes to a particular foster family I know.

MMT - sure, if everyone wants to play along, I’ll keep the list, although I may not be the best person to do that since most days, I dont get to read all the posts. Just thought it might be interesting. What do you think?

Danna I think it would be a lot of work but lets wait to see what everyone else thinks. Someone would have to take care of the whole thing and right now I have too much on my plate.

It’s late here so I’m going to bed… have a great night Danna and thanks for the idea! I’m sure it would prove interesting!

Good night flowerchild and to anyone else who might still be on here!

G’nite.

mmt, your in mish?? i thought i as in the coldest state im in mn, its 39% now i know about “having a good sence of humor” with the cold:)

ANITA….stick it out girl…we all have feelings here and is hard sometimes to get through how we feel without voice and only computer screen. I know how you feel and others have said they feel the same too about being ignored…just keep pluggin away for Caylee..she would not want you to leave…you need to stay with the rest of us who know how you feel and the ones who need to…sometimes we get caught up in our own train of thought or distracted as the blog continues to move…I think everyone here for the most part is very respectful and we all find some kind of connnection to one another. There are many people here and when you get many together there will be misunderstnding, conflict and sorted feelings from time to time…But we are caylee’s family and caylees’ voice and she needs us all to stay for her…

i have one more comment, about the babysitter,my youngest grandson went to a new daycare awhile back, me i called the first day at the daycare to see how he was doing knowing how scary it is for a child to be somewhere new, thats why i cant understand no one having a phone# for this person, i know i keep repeating that but it really bothers me, ok i wont mention it again

Good mroning all. yes Caylee~Angel that was probably thehardest question last night to answer because there have been no answers about that by C in the media, or LE interview. I tried to answer questions with what C & G have said in statements to LE or media where we heard them say it. A couple of answers I adlibbed based on there stand as clearly seen in media, but that was hard to come up with answer for it even hypothetically. I think that was the single toughest question last night during the “game’ Hope you are on later. I am sure we will play again. It seems a good way to look at this case in different perspective.

everyone was worried about you last night was missing your style

nah we got through it. Just noticed that some regulars were missing. Everything is fine. hope your daughter’s b.day was GREAT or is it today?

Well you know there is one person who would love to see get and attitude adjustment.

M. bet you loved to adjust that one.

ConcernedforCaylee word I have honestly made better friends here than I have had my whole life…seriously…I love you all soooo much…I have never connected so well with ppl like on here…AND O yah Id love to break..I mean adjust Monsters attitude..I think theres sooo much more evidence that they just havent released yet..like notice we havent heard boo about that dress they found…

you’re right I think Jan and Simon only want to protect the integrity of the room, which to me means the attacking and deliberately bashing people. I think it is human nature to talk about things other than just this especially since it has gone on so long, and there is not a lot of new stuff out there. This blog is meant to encourage each other as well and mixing personal stuff helps us to do that. We are all one group united for one cause. We are part of the CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY JUSTICE TEAM.

i am hoping youguys are right about more evedince, its always that way in cases they only release so much, i dont think m would be where she is at now, i have heard there are other articles of clothing also, but the dress is the big one, i think size 6 is a little to big tho but you never know, im waiting peatiently for the search to resume, and hopefully that will bring caylee home

Did you kno it was 2 different cadavar dogs that hit on the SAME spot in there backyard?? I thought it was one dog in 2 spots but it was 2 dogs on the same spot!!! thats gonna say somethin in the trial..See I dont see the jury letting her walk on this until she says where Caylee is dead or alive..I just dont see them bein willin to just say not guilty unless she truelly produces a living Caylee and thats gonna have a effect on this case…

No Anna my daughter is only 2 and she has some size 6t clothes..they shrink up

They are gonna find her Its Gods will that all theses ppl are gonna help..LIke its also Gods will that one little hair fell from that precious childs head..one little hair…that little hair is gonna seal the deal…the jury is gonna see it there gonna be shown the death band there gonna be shown Monster and Caylees matching dna there gonna see that the bish is living in front of them so it couldnt be her hair…that one little hair..GOds will Hes not gonna let her get away with this…one little hair is all that fell and they found it…its amazing…

c4c, tim did say this will be the biggest search ever, well difrent types of clothes have diffrent sizes, some are bigger some smaller, that would be cruel to plant the dress unless someone wanted them to search that area, (my daughter has just claimed ive turned into a computer geek) ive never been on it so much except for this case,

Good morning ladies! BOP, the cadaver dogs both hit on two places, the playhouse and sandbox in the yard; also the trunk. Also I remember C saying that Caylee talked about a puppy at the sitters once. Where is that dog? Anyone else remember that, or is it “brain glitch”?

Anna and they are using some hi tech equipment also. I have gotten the feeling that they think she was dumped either into the water or very near watery or swampy area. which is the reason for having to delay the search, areas near water are too over grown to properly search and need vegatation to die off, and water levels are still to high from all the storms ( faye, and others) THey are bringing in cameras that can record the bottoms of the waters to look for objects out of place.

that is dedication Bump.

hi bump i was thinking the same thing everyone kept saying no smoking gun, but to me… the 2 hairs the live hair and then dead one found in the trunk shows alot to me, some said thats not enough IMO it is very much enough, theres no reason one LIVE hair and one DEAD hair would be in the same small area, meaning alive in the trunk and then dead in that trunk, if i was a juror I would see that… and we all know who the dead hair belongs to… I mean noone else she knows is dead, shes alive, caylee cannot be found no trace, its very much a smoking gun, the guy from NG who analzed the report agreed…he said alive in trunk dead in trunk.. i read the report too. whoever died in that trunk ran out of oxygen!!!

I’m betting on the cadaver dogs, unless they can be fooled by chemicals “consistent with” a dead body, that was also small enough to move around to three locations and be disappeared by a 100 lb. girl.

I also think she washed shovel off if she buried her out by gators there was plenty of water to rinse it off before bringing it back… did she bring it back?? and….can DNA be recovered off something that has been washed??? or rinsed off??? I’m finding these scientists can produce miracles however on DNA, , like you siad bump one lone hair found one banded hair… the lord moves in mysterious ways IMO

still not sure about the shovel thing. she returned the neighbors shovel on the same day. my understanding is that the pinging and stuff happened around the 26th or 27 of June, also when she tells Amy she got rid of the dead squirrels that were stinking up her car. also when her phone is silent for about 3 hours. One news article mentions there are no usable prints found on shovel in trunk. Could be a mistake and they meant shovel from nieghbor or was there a shovel in the trunk of the car. I dont think M counted on the car being towed. So she wasn’t finished getting rid of evidence in trunk.

wouldn’t it be funny if they could prove that M bought a shovel with Amy’s money and have her on video buying it. Now that would be a “smoking gun”

yea can you imagine a theif opening that car….ugggg bet he would have changed his mind and left the car because of smell. She should have driven the car into a lake and reported it stolen.

That’s weird, I guess she carried the wallet in her pocket when she bought groceries? Did the purse smell bad too?

I heard an interesting theory about all the people that she names. maybe some of you have already heard or.. so jump in and help explain it if you can. Someone said that went back through a yearbook for the school M attended and found names of people that matched names she used. But the names were mixed up. Like Zenaida was a girl at her school but she had a different last name. there were several people like that. I think Juilet Lewis was also one they mentioned. It was interesting that shehas been making up people for a very long time. Example of this would be the emails she was sending herself from her boss at univeral.

not sure about the purse “Smelling” or the wallet for that matter. But I would imagine that if the wallet had not been left in the car in a while the smell would wear off. Maybe that is why she left he purse. Maybe it did smell.

the mixed up names go with the little bit of truth conected to the lie

I think that after M ditched the body. she went to G & C’s took a shower and changed clothes, then she was only in the car for about 5 minutes, and that was interior of car not trunk. It would have taken longer for that smell to have gotten into the side of car. and she was waiting for him as soon as he pulled up. She had food that came from C & G’s thats why I think she showered first. He was not allowed anywhere near the car. HE pulls up and she is holding her stuff, gets in his car and says she will take care of her car later. How come the guys who helped her push her car out of the street haven’t come forward yet.

That would have been during the time Tony was out of town in New York.

it is odd that she knew about the type of car she drove and she named the same complex that zanni visited as last place she left Caylee, by stairs to apartment that Zanni actually saw? Seems Strange, and I am not saying Zanni was in on it either. I just don’t get this part. She seems so smart on one hand and so stupid on the other.

Could be but no one from the complex recognized a pic of M. that is why it is confusing, If her friends lived there wouldn’t a resident have recognized her from past visit? Did she ever have Caylee over to visit. Aren’t those the people who didn’t have interviews released to public? Wonder what is in them.

True, because I understand that they showed m the pic of “the Zanni” from apt and she couldn’t pick out her pic. which meant she didn’t see her just saw info. Interesting. She isn’t crazy by any definition. What if she has multiple personality stuff. Maybe she even made Caylee call her zanni when she was with her. Maybe she is zanni. That would explain why Caylee could have talked about her day and not sent up red flags. There has been no info about where she spent her time for the last almost two years since she left universal. I can’t believe she stayed at home the whole time with Caylee being the “good mom”

Did she stop by Sawgrass after the death to “go to a neutral place” and figure out what to do. While she was figuring out her story, perhaps pretending help her friends move, she spotted the Zenaida info and incorporated it. She said she sat on the stairs for a while; maybe she was taking time to think and spotted Zenaida from a distance looking at that apt.

howdy all! it does no good to leave and go to sleep, now I’m starting to dream about the case. I wish I could read faster sometimes - it’s hard to do that and adequately respond to everyone’s ideas.

CA - I have been thinking about this nanny situation for a long time - I know it is freaking a lot of us out. When I went back to the transcripts I noticed several things that may explain why C wasn’t all over it.

First of all, I think C and G learned about the “nanny” some time in mid-spring like May or early June. There was a woman who babysat from time to time - and I think even Jesse Grund’s mother might have once in a while. But it wasn’t until June that M was using her as a full-time excuse - right about the time she started hanging out with her “new friends” from Fusian (I think Amy said that M’s first trip to Fusian was the first week of June and her first real “date” with Tony was the 11th. M may have manufactured the story for her parents a bit earlier to cover seeing Ricardo but remember, she took Caylee with her over there a lot. Since C and G had M’s cellphone number and assumed Caylee would be with her, they may not have thought to ask for another.

George indicated in his interview that Caylee spent almost 90% of her time with him or his wife after Casey had moved back in. Remember, she was living for something like the first 8 months at the Grunds. The fact that she’d be living there right away versus being at home shows me there was tension with C from the get go about how to be a mom, I’ll bet. I am sure that a lot of the friction had to do with money, responsibility and independence.

I think C and G knew perfectly well their daughter hadn’t worked in a while and were just supporting her at home while she “looked for work”, although I don’t think they knew she had just recently made up the story about being an event planner. I think M cooked that up after she left to have excuses to get out of the house in the evenings - “working” home during the day. And dummied up emails and appt books to back it up - probably because C would want her to prove it.

George also said that M would drop Caylee off at her mom’s workplace in the afternoon when she had to “go to work”. George was there in the mornings - he said M and Caylee often slept in the same bed - and I’m sure he supervised Caylee when she woke up and M was sleeping. I think they may have taken over much of her care. Several friends remarked that M seemed very casual about leaving her alone in a room for long periods of time - as if any other adult in the room would automatically take charge of her child. That may be coldness, or it may be habit. C may have been as domineering with M about how to be a mother as she’s been about other stuff. She may have jumped in first instead of letting M do it herself. Frankly, I think they were treating Caylee like M’s little sister, which was part of the whole jealousy thing.

C was not very kind to M in front of her own friends about how confident she felt in her daughter’s ability to succeed in life, much less parent. Imagine how critical she was when no one was around. She was a haranguer. I think M was starting to tell her to back off.

Her older friends didn’t hear much about a nanny if at all, and her newer ones did because I think she wanted to show off that she had one and was independent. Several friends state she was into “one-upping”. M was now hanging out with a bunch of college students who partied hard and had money to play and go on trips. They had seen she had a child and lived with her parents. I think she felt she was a leg-down from their lifestyle and created a job that would have her talking on cellphones and using a laptop to dispel that notion. She made up a new college certificate and told them she was going back to “finish” her degree. She stole money from her parents through credit cards so she could act like she didn’t need to pay for things with cash. Having a “nanny” instead of parents for babysitters sounded as if she was successful and important.

I’m sure her parents called her about things during those last couple of months, C in particular. They were getting fed up with the crap. I think M told them she was taking Caylee with her on “job” to Jacksonvile and Tampa, etc. and C and G thought she was simply trying to be more responsible. M supposedly called C the week before the car was towed - the week she was “in Tampa” and M apologized for not calling her earlier that day and gave a lot of time creating the Zani in the hospital story. That shows me C expected her to check in often.

As for not having the nanny’s number, I think C was constantly bugging M for details and M was wiggling out of things the way she did with the police (her number is in my old phone, it’s on my desk, I’ll get it for you later).

C and G had been told to back off I believe, that if they wanted M to take over more of Caylee’s care, they needed to “trust” her. C and G were between a rock and a hard place because they were probably afraid if they pushed too hard, M would take their granddaughter and go live elsewhere.

Even so, C was worried about it enough to mention it to her therapist. We know she had doubts but was unsure how to go about things. Obviously she waited too long.

I know it sounds odd to us that they did not have all kinds of numbers for her new childcare arrangements, but I also think they thought this nanny was a relatively new phenomenon and were getting a lot of pushback from M. Once they put two and two together and realized she might have done something to Caylee herself I think they went along with the story she told police, or at least didn’t actively contradict it, to help cover up for their daughter. They were also busy during that time circling the wagons and searching for any other possible suspect besides M that they could lay their hands on, so I don’t think they were going to come out and tell LE, we only found out about this nanny person a month or two ago because basically WE’VE been taking care of this child since day one.

We can blame C and G for not being “on” to her enough, but I also think they had no idea how to manage their daughter without losing their grandchild. If C had threatened again to take her away during their June 15 fight, M might have wanted to punish C or M was afraid that if C did replace M with Caylee, she’d lose her mealticket, her car, access to her parents credit cards, etc. and be exposed to her friends as the little fraud she was.

It looks to me like the whole dynamics of the Ant family simply cannot be compared to “normal” families and how they communicate and interract.

if m had been planning this its easy to get info, zanida had to fill out a form to visit or sighn a book and m cauld have seen the car if she was visiting friends at sawgrass, or maybee m was there when zenida came to look and someone called her name and m heard

Monster is very manipulative she knew what she was doin..she has had Caylees murder planned I think since birth..she hated Caylee and that was enuff for her after the June 15th fight cus C had warned her that she was gonna try and get custody of Caylee if she didnt clean up her act…and that she wasnt gonna watch Caylee so she could go party she said she needed to take her or not party and that was it for MOnster its like she feels she was doin everyone a favor…by killing Caylee..in her eyes she was takin a burden from everyone isnt that sick!!

Excellent summary, I agree that Casey felt enormous pressure on the 15th that her world was going to crash.

Yah she felt like Caylee was finally gonna take everything from her like Caylee was not only a burden to her but also to C and G and the whole world Its sick but I see her smile at them in the court room in the beginning when shes in the blue jail uniform and its like she really thinks she did everyone a favor by killing Caylee like no more to worry about..no more daycare no more fighting she really thinks she did everyone a favor by doin this..

Gumshoe would kno she kno’s all about that stuff…You kno who kno’s with Monster tho she is crafty and I dont mean in the Beasty Boy cool kind of crafty I mean the PHYCO HOSE BEAST crafty skank hole slut bag hooker way…child killing slut bag skank..oh i said that…

i would also like to know what m did all day when she supposidly was at work 2 yrs is along time for someone to pull something like that off, kinda funny the split personality thought, not that id believe that but stranger things have happened