Much has been speculated about Lawyer Jose Baez’s competence to represent suspected tot killer Casey Anthony. Florida has some pretty tough standards when it comes to letting an attorney represent a client in a potential capital punishment case. Those standards are in place for a good reason, a qualified lawyer rather than an ambulance chaser, knows what is at stake, potentially someones life. More importantly the use of a qualified lawyer who is not going to make obvious gaffs, cuts down on the opportunity for the guilty to appeal conviction based on their councils incompetence.
With suspected tot killer Casey Anthony enjoying a state sponsored vacation and facing a Murder 1 wrap, it is oh so critical for the defense team to play their cards with great care. They seem to be out of Aces, and must now try to bluff their way to a win.
I was incredulous, when last night Nancy Grace has Jose Baez spokesman Todd Black on her show and he came out with the following quote.
The case is not just about the loss of the girl’s life, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony.
Umm, maybe I am missing something, I thought the defense team and the Anthony family were firmly convinced that Caylee Anthony was still alive? They were expecting her to turn up any day now following a nice vacation in Puerto Rico, or an extended shopping trip to Wal-Mart, or whatever other fictitious nonsense that Casey Anthony would have us believe.
I will bet that Jose Baez and the illustrious spokesman Todd Black have has a few harsh words over this enormous gaff. I wonder is Todd is seeking a new position? Maybe he could assist OJ Simpson when the appeal is launched?
This slip of the tongue may well have some consequences. If the defense dream nightmare team can not get their act straight, then suspected tot killer Casey Anthony has some great material for appeal after she is found guilty, and there is no doubt in my mind, that guilty is going to be the verdict. If your IQ is bigger than Leonard Padilla’s hat size, how could you possibly disagree?
Actually this is the second event that may well save Casey Anthony from ‘the needle’ for a while. It transpires that during the ‘secret’ Grand Jury discussion, someone inadvertently turned on the microphones and everyone plugged into the internal sound system (read press) got to hear a portion of the debate.
Several people that I have spoken with have asked why not give her a polygraph? Well the simple answer is that the results are not admissible as evidence. The even simpler reason is that this woman would make the polygraph machine ‘red line’ just while she was spelling her name!
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a Trackbackcasey is going to pay for her crime in one way are another,if not by the justice system,by someone that is going to harm her if she is freed again, people are sick of her and her lies
Good article Simon. This gaffe will haunt Black forever if he tries to stay in his field. He might want to think of a new career.
Yesterday someone in our blog found evidence that Baez is in trouble for license renewal.
That defense is much more of a circus than the media.
Hi Flower,
I was posting over at (117144) an older blog if you want to see what I wrote for today, been away ahwile.
hi flower – we’ve all been on 117144 until a new one opened up. glad to see you!
Since Casey had a love/hate relationship with C, I wonder if they both had rage issues? The choking incident may not have been unusual. I’ve seen charming people who could blow up with little provocation, much less stressed with the demands of a little girl.
Val, yeah maybe M retaliated to Caylee what C did to her that last night when she left with her little girl.
Lord knows how this will go down, i have never been this interested in a case since ojs.. and at that time i wasnt online to blog about it, lol
well i see everyone made it
The problem i see with M is unless she “talks” she is gonna dig herself a deeper grave.. she must have done something awfully bad to not be talkin is all i can say…
what do u guys think about the microphone deal think it will have any repercussions on the GJ hearing?
i’ll tell you what – not that I’m a fan of C’s but I’d find it hard to live five minutes with m without smacking her upside the head and i was a “time out” kinda mom. she would try the patience of a saint.
C was stupid to insist she have that baby and should have filed for legal custody from day one. she knew her daughter well enough by then to know she was a little liar and a thief and never followed through on anything.
maybe the whole family was hoping that being a mom would knock some sense into m but the whole thing backfired in the most horrible way for them all.
i hope everyone can find us we move around so much
flower, re miscrophone, no… not from what i heard, unless something new came up i am unaware of..
wasnt that an accident or?
i never have trouble finding the latest blog page.
flower – bozo and his team will use the WEATHER as an excuse to impact the case if they see an advantage.
I too remember the OJ case (I was living in FL then) and how all that arguing over dna evidence and admissability and crap kept that thing droning on forever.
Kobe thinks he is going to be a star. NG needs to can him now and get a new forensics guy (not that Anna Nicole dude either).
Child abuse cases are often about a parent abusing just one child in the family. This is a combination of an unstable parent and a child who pushes all those buttons. Casey would have tried the patience of a Saint, and I don’t think C is a Saint. C certainly didn’t admit there was a fight on July 15, so I wonder what the neighbors heard over the years.
If Cindy Anthony thinks her precious daughter is so innocent, she needs her head examined. Poor little Caylee is laying somewhere decomposing more and more while this circus continues. I am very curious as to what Baez meant when he said “everyone will understand why Casey is acting the way she is” If he knew all along what happened to Caylee, he needs to go to jail also.
i just heard that the audio was tapped into and some of the press heard part of the GJ hearing but as soon as someone heard it they told someone and it was shut down,i think the press would have sense enough not to divulge what they heard knowing a killer could be freed on a technically
i think the ‘slip of the tongue’ deal speaks volumes to this case,,, they ALL KNOW Caylee is deceased…
They could try a “What makes a monster like Casey” defense and drag the whole family down.
Another great article Simon.
I post on another forum and we had a field day with this giant guffaw from Todd Black. It actually happened on an on-air interview on CNN hosted by Mark Galanos. We picked up on his mis-spoken, taken out of context, open mouth insert foot remark. He claimed he was speaking of a joke earlier but the fact remains he was live on-air and we heard this with our own ears. Believe me, my hearing is perfect. He, along with Baez are a huge joke. If the Anthonys are capable of making a rational decision, which I personally think they are not, they will immediately dismiss the Baez Law Firm. Of course this is my own personal opinion and everyone knows what they are like………LOL.
val – you’re right. I’m sure it was an earful. But it seems that, stability aside, no adult in that house insisted m was accountable or responsible for her actions. If m was unable or unwilling to care for and support her child, her parents should have simply gotten custody and not enabled her by financially supporting them both. It was obvious that child was being used as a pawn by both sides. Very unhealthy and C is responsible for contributing to that and I think wants to minimize her role by making m look like an innocent victim with her own excuses and lies. It is truly pathetic.
no one can understand why a mother does not report her child missing,no one can understand why casey is being stubborn if she knows something about where caylee is, then why won’t she divulge that information so LE can find her,no one understans that BAEZ is stupid and does not need to be a lawyer
c? m? really? that lazy?
I suppose now that this skank has been indicted, the news will drop off and no one will be talking about it much until her trial begins.
I love all the speculators on Nancy Grace’s program who seem to agree with the defense team – no one knows what evidence the state really has. Grace is a mess too though; I can’t sit and watch an entire show of hers; she’s a hot mess.
Liked the part about Caylee returning from Puerto Rico or an extended shopping trip. I remember the investigators asked something like “Did you think she was going to take a cab & just show up someday?” There is no body yet, but it’s a heck of a difference from not having an adult body. She was only 2 years old, easy to hide & oh, so unlikely to have run off & be taking care of herself somewhere else. Thanks.
Here’s a great critique of Baez
‘Sheaffer told Eyewitness News an experienced defense attorney would have argued it was accidental and negotiated a lesser charge.’
The article said it’s now too late to take ‘life in prison’ off of the table. They blew it by insisting that Caylee was still alive for so long.
well seems i found the right room,lol
Hi Simon, Thank you for the new article. Interesting stuff were hearing from the M, Camp?
hi teaxsgrl, what u up to?
I believe that little Caylee may have had 2 dresses with the Disney character on it. Living in Florida, I would not be surprised if the dress they found does belong to Caylee.
M2C – I know what you mean about NG. She’s so much crabbier since she had the twins. My guess is that she’s not getting much sleep. She even snaps at the people she agrees with and jumps into prosecutorial mode forcing people to answer with “yes” or “no” without any qualification or elaboration. I have to turn the sound off a lot.
downwcasey, you said
“I am very curious as to what Baez meant when he said “everyone will understand why Casey is acting the way she is” If he knew all along what happened to Caylee, he needs to go to jail also.”
my take is Baez himself doesnt YET KNOW what story will be made up as to ‘everyone understanding’ thats prob why he hasnt said he wants a speedy trial yet, they need more time to perfect a story that is believable…
heard also that baez didn’t ask for a speedy trial at casey’s indictment charges, isn’t it to late for that now he should have asked at that point
n2m flowerchild.
good point cj – although I would have thought that he and m could have concocted something by this time with all the time she spent lounging around his office. she can fabricate lies in a microsecond, why does she need any more time?
I know someone who answers phones. NG called and demanded to talk to a “real person!” My friend said, “I AM A REAL PERSON” and is no longer a fan.
Thanks Elle, great critiquing is correct!
elle said,in October 16th, 2008 at 12:32 pm Here’s a great critique of Baez
‘Sheaffer told Eyewitness News an experienced defense attorney would have argued it was accidental and negotiated a lesser charge.’
The article said it’s now too late to take ‘life in prison’ off of the table. They blew it by insisting that Caylee was still alive for so long.
flower child,
I may be wrong on this, but I think you actually have the right to a speedy trial until you waive your right to such.
Baez says everyone will understand in the end, this is just a bunch of baloney, words with no truth or meaning, trying to inspire second thoughts in persons. I would not put much confidence in his words, he will likely deny Black’s statement this afternoon, & claim it was mistaken. We all know it was a Freudian slip of the tongue.
I don’t know that anything Casey says at this point can be helpful to her. She has zero credibility, so they should just ignore her and move on with the evidence. She could come up with a different confession every day, which is probably what she is doing in BB’s office.
one thing we all know is that,one casey never mentioned to anyone that caylee was missing,until cindy caught up with her,and cindy demanded to know where caylee was,if cindy had not found casey,i don’t think casey would had said anything else about caylee,she was caught then came up with the cock and bullshit about caylee being kidnapped,she did something with that little girl and we all know it
i stepped away, cece as to your question i would say yes ordinarily they’d had enough time to concoct something believable but BECAUSE M has lied sooo much they keep needing to start over with their story…
cecybeans said,in October 16th, 2008 at 12:38 pm good point cj – although I would have thought that he and m could have concocted something by this time with all the time she spent lounging around his office. she can fabricate lies in a microsecond, why does she need any more time?
Todd Black did not appear on the Nancy Grace show with that comment. He appeared on Headline News, Prime Time News live.
another thought i have had since day one is that Caylee won’t/can’t be found, sorta like Natalee H., because M threw her to the waters… probably burned her first with those gas cans,
for M to be driving around with her all that time and harbor her tells me she was TRYING to come up with a plan to hide Caylee’s remains, it took her time to figure that all out and tons of gutts as well, a VERY sick cookie..
but i sure HOPE and PRAY i am wrong..
as i DO want her found in the worst way!!
for me i hope they find caylee’s body are something,and they can prove she died by casey’s hands, so baez can lose this case to
Casey phoned the guy in Calif, so perhaps she thought she could move out of state, cut her parents off, and no one would ever find out. At least it would buy her more time. I don’t know what story she was going to tell him though; something her parents and Lee already knew…maybe that her daughter died.
i think the reason G came back day after testifying saying that Caylee is alive is because if he didnt say that C would kick his arss to the curb..
G is lucky to have survived any of them.
gotta go for now, been nice chatting with ya’ll and venting what i think is up at this point in the game..
i am still not quite understanding the whole dead body in the car business,cindy and george and their comments on body in the car was not my grandaughter,and maybe someone else put a dead body in the car,and LE stating that it was caylee’s,point in fact cindy and george knows a body was in the car,WHOSE BODY WAS IN THE DAMN CAR IF NOT CAYLEE”S
CJ, I don’t think she burned her, too much of a chance that she’d be noticed by someone. But I don’t know FL that well, maybe you can start fires by the airport in wooded areas…but the smoke would draw some attention I would think. I doubt she threw her in the water either, there’s no guarantee that a body doesn’t pop back up at some point, just like Scott Peterson’s wife & baby.
Are G & C still together? I know they’re at the same house, but I haven’t seen them in the same interview or together since his interview with the police came out. Just wondering – had to be a bit of a strain when he testified.
Cindy Anthony is messed in her head – and it’s easy now to see where Casey got it. George shocks me – having been a high ranking police official, you’d think he would know better.
He’s known – and even acknowledged the fact that they knew this grand jury day would come.
I hope Casey is found guilty and will spend her remaining days in prison – with no chance at parole. Let her suffer at the hands of fellow inmates…we all know how convicted felons treat people who harm children. Her day will come and justice will be served.
I only wonder if Cindy shouldn’t be charged here too.
well guys have to go to work catch up with everyone tonight,see ya!
Hi Everyone,
Well, I guess Todd will be in the unemployment line this afternoon or maybe this is a scheme by BB to get thrown off the case.
BB has been practicing law for three years? Time for some serious talks about plea deals if I were M.
hi guys, i thought that we were finally going to hear the truth and then i hear its a misteak! c keeps saying that we will finaly understand her behavior at the trial it will all come out! well whats the diffrence if it all comes out now? save alot of peoples time(searching for the body) and alot of money for the trial(tax payers) whats the diffrence of a few months, they are truly grasping at anything to believe little caylee is alive, maybe its to hard for them to believe thier daughter acually did what she did i dont know.
Anna,
I think G & C know that Caylee is dead. I just don’t think they can accept it.
I have to say when I saw C. holding on tight to that Mickey Mouse dress when she was on the Today Show it touched my heart. Sometimes the smell of the person is still on the clothing. I know when my father died I could pick up his sweater, and still smell his scent.
I am not a fan of C.’s behavior, but as a grandmother my heart breaks that she lost her grandchild, especially at the hands of her own daughter.
flower,i heard that also about the speedy trial a misteak on m team, now thy cant ask, also about m making sure that no one will find the body she came up with something good, probably hoping no body no charges, i had also thought maybee she used the gas cans for extra gas in her car so she could take the body further away, i dont remember what day it was that her phone was quiet for quite awhile wich was unusual for her.
One thing that troubles me is that Tim Miller guy from Equisearch – they pull up and leave town after the hurricane, come back to town to search again – after a day or two, they’re ready to pull out again because of funding….then a day later, he’s on Grace saying he can’t leave until they find the body.
What’s goin on there? Plus, he always sounds hammered.
hi cat…I agree what I saw out of C was a pathetic deseprate grandma clinging to hope. And by pathetic I merely mean that she can’t face what we already know. My heart does hurt for her and Geroge. I think he is further along in coming to accept it. I didn’t like some of what he said yesterday thought he was passed it..but he also said I will stand by my daughter no matter what. To me he is saying even if she did this. Unconditional love.
Re the speedy trial issue – the way I heard it was they could ask at any time, it’s a right, according to the constitution – and you can invoke those rights at any time.
It may well be a ploy on the part of the defense as well. If the state seeks the death penalty; this could buy them more time.
Folks, the MyTwoCents of 12:30 pm today is not ME, the original mytwocents (all lower case).
I’ll have to change my name somehow. I’ll give it a try.
my2cents,
I agree with you. Hard to make any sense of what he says from one day to the next. First he’s staying, then he’s going, then he’s staying.
I dont think they cant still ask its just that everyday that goes by is time that they could have already set the clock for trial. They are giving Le time to build a stronger case and find the body and process tests on it as well. Speedy trial would limit some of that.
flower,i heard that also about the speedy trial a misteak on m team, now thy cant ask, also about m making sure that no one will find the body she came up with something good she probably put alot of thought to what she had planned( looking on missing children sites) she probably thought no body no charges, i also thought that she might of used the gas cans for extra gas so she could go further, the time her phone was quiet awhile she is pretty sneaky and obviously a skilled liar shes been doing it all her life
To MyTwoCents with all initial caps: Hi and welcome! Any chance you could add something to your name to help distinguish between us?
I’ve been blogging here for months and an awful lot of people are going to think that you are me. One idea might be MyTwoCents Too or Two (or whatever you’d like. just a suggestion)
LOL – not trying to step on toes; been using this moniker for years now – just never posted here before.
Not a question of stepping on toes. It’s a question of how we are going to distinguish ourselves on THIS blog. Any suggestions?
c at 1;29 i agree with you about c&g knowing, sorry its posting 2x again when i try and post it will come up with ive allredy said that, and its not on here so i change a few things and next thing you know they are both here, sorry guys 🙁
just remember this if was researching things like that LE have that to and know what she searched so might give them some tips as to what they are looking for also.
How’s that? ;O)
BB is probably looking for an attorney who has the qualifications to represent M. as per Florida law. He isn’t even qualified to co-counsel M. he has only been practicing law for three years.
That’s fine! Go for a nickel if you want!! LOL!
Thank you!
MyThreeCents said
Thats awesome! ;0
who’ll give me five…five who’ll give me five do I hear five.
my2cents,
Maybe one can use all caps and the other use lower case letters
What about the brother? We don’t hear much from him anymore. His refusal to cooperate re: DNA, polygraph??
Anyone else think he knows more than he’s willing to share?
This is one messed up family, imho.
Where’s MAMABEAR?
flippen at 1:50 I don’t understand. Your post makes it look like you are MyTwoCents who’s become MyThreeCents. Are you all three?
MyThreeCents,
LV is MIA
I’m like flowerchild – I guess the Anthonys are saying it was some ~other~ dead body that left behind the forensic evidence in the trunk of that car. Someone ~else~ was dead in Casey’s trunk at the exact same time the baby is missing. Are you kidding me???
good afternoon ladies…not feeling so good today, i might not be on long…so anything new on the case ?
her random comments are nothing more than a person saying anything to explain away tests that she can not except. She will not accept that Caylee is deceased .
when m made her first court apperance is when they were suppose to ask for a speedy trial then, is my understanding.
I’m just me – not sure what “flippen” meant there.
is it a rule that you can only request a speedy trial then? or is that just how it is when it is usually done?
i know not to many people have dead bodys in thier trunk somone just randomly picked her car for that and coincedence, her daughter is missing what a joke!
Well, we know that C. is on some heavy duty medication, so nothing she says really makes much sense. G. on the other hand knows Casylee is dead, but for M. sake goes along with the story about Caylee being alive. Poor G.
i might be wrong, but i don’t BB will be defending M on the murder 1 charges, or child neglect, manslaughter…he doesn’t have the expertise
CFC,
Normally when you are charged you can submit a motion for a speedy trial.
i believe thats when your suppose to ask because one of the news stations said that the state would have had to rush to make thier case and now they dont? but i could be wrong its just what i heard on the news
Hi Girlfriend
I agree Cat that is why from his statement at grand jury forward I call him George. To me he became a human person so I gave him back his name. I know we all want to blame everyone for M but I can’t believe that she is this way just because of bad parenting, that really does make her a victim….if C hadn’t this then M this. I dont buy that M made this choice on her own period.
hi catherine girlfriend…didn’t the count say C was on medication ? that’s the excuse for C to not take the poly
so can they still request one?
if C is on meds, the poly wouldn’t be reliable
polographs are based on your body’s reaction to stress you feel as a result of the question. If medicated it could affect how you react to or don’t react which could throw off the results. It seems like I have heard that from even before this one.
Here’s an article from wftv. com about Todd Black trying to unsay what he said. Also notice what G is saying today – not facing “fact” so to speak:
From wftv.com
Jose Baez’s spokesperson, Todd Black, is backtracking on a statement he made Wednesday night during a phone interview with CNN. He said Caylee was dead, but he had an explanation for his words Thursday.
Black was asked why Casey was captured in pictures partying while her daughter was missing. That’s when he admitted what investigators have long said.
“This is a very serious case, involving not just the loss of the life of this little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony,” Black said on CNN Wednesday night (Hear It All).
Eyewitness News tracked him down late Thursday morning and, over the phone, he denied that is what he meant. He insisted the Baez legal team is confident Caylee is just missing and Casey had nothing to do with her disappearance.
“I did not say that on national television. I responded to what someone else said,” Black told Eyewitness News (full interview).
Baez held an afternoon news confernce in which he claimed Black’s statement was taken out of context.
“We believe Caylee is alive,” he said. “I said that from day one and I continue to say that… The only reason I am responding is because we have a missing child and I don’t want anyone to stop looking for Caylee because they think we think she’s dead.”
Eyewitness News talked to George Anthony about Black’s statement before he left home Thursday.
George is still driving around the billboard with Caylee’s picture on it. He is determined to find his granddaughter alive and downplayed what the spokesman for his daughter’s legal team said on national television Thursday night.
“That’s not a belief that’s in my brain. If some people want to do that, that’s up to them,” George told Eyewitness News.
In late August, Eyewitness News was the first station to uncover the DNA evidence that showed the toddler was no longer alive. A spokesperson for George and Cindy Anthony called the statement made by Black, someone who’s supposed to be on Casey’s side, inappropriate.
“If he said something like that and that’s what he meant then he shouldn’t be representing, working for, Jose Baez because that’s an inappropriate statement,” said Larry Garrison, Anthony family spokesperson.
Baez visited Casey in jail late Wednesday night. Meanwhile, the Anthony family is still raising money that’s going to a fund to help find Caylee. The family also said they are setting up tip line.
I am not a fan of M, however in all fairness, she does deserve a good defense lawyer. Floundering BB obviously does not fit the bill. He has done so much harm already to his client IMO.
Eventhough C & G have the Count, I still think it is BB that is coaching them to keep ” the Caylee is alive” myth in order to save M.
They can insist on a speedy trial at ANY point.
Anna,
The state can also request a motion for a speedy trial, but why bother M. is just where they want her to be cell #6. Did you hear that she has full view of the T.V. now? I think she is scrap booking everything that the media reports about her. No doubt, she will ask for a change of venue.
Officially off- topic (sorry!)
I’ve volunteered to help an adult learn to read and write and I’m meeting with her pretty soon so I have to get my notes and lessons etc together. See you all later!
you’re right concerned, especially certain types of meds, such as valium, or any kind of sedetives
M2C… 🙂 I just posted a link to actually listen to that Todd Black.
Here it is again for the aduio learners LOL like me
http://www.wftv.com/video/17729306/index.html
i think they gave her so many charges so if they couldnt prove the murder1 they would have more to fall back on and at least she would be there for awhile i pray every day that little caylee will be found hopefully befor the trial so she can pay fully for what she has done altho nothing will bring the baby back 🙁
Hmmmmm. I smell lawsuit Todd. The Count will be serving you with papers shortly.
catherine, do you think M would be granted change of venue ? this case is nation wide if not world wide, where could she go ?
That baby killer should plea now before they find Caylee. I think she will go for manslaughter plea deal if LE pushes hard enough.
They said they’ll take it most likely to a smaller town, not Orlando or Jacksonville…but a small community in FL, they won’t take it out of the state, they can’t
I dont think she will ever plead. She is banking on them not having the body. There mistake along has been over convidence. I don’t see that changing. Partly I hope she doesn’t plead, unless it brings Caylee home. otherwise no deal.
BBL
Yes, only because John Cuey the slime that killed Jessica Lunsford was granted a change in venue. He still got the death penalty anyway. If the case against her is that powerful she cold be tried anywhere and she would get convicted.
interesting that Grandma needs meds but not mom. telling right there I think about feelings toward Caylee
Elle,
I think the smaller the county the worse it would be for her. She is better off in a larger county like Jacksonville.
well i hope she gets convicted, i think the prosicution are holding some cards we know nothing about, they have to be in order to move forward with the charges, and got the indictment, i hope we find out something soon
Well if Tim finds Caylee’s body Le has no reason to offer her a plea deal. So, it looks like she has maybe 2-3 weeks at best to make up her mind about telling LE where Caylee is buried.
I am so darn curious to find out where LV is hiding out.
padilla predicted that tim would find caylee’s body shortly after her arrest, i don’t know where/how padilla gets his info, but hopefully he’s right
Bri,
Do you think he told G & C that M. told him Caylee is dead?
That cowboy sure knows a lot of info about this case. Do you think he is working with LE?
Depending how powerful the evidence is and once BB is basically out of the picture, i think she will plea down.
She still has an ace in that Caylee has not been located(yet).
lol catherine…i’m more curious about why lurch is hiding than where…he certainly is laying low, he may have left the state all together
Catherine,
I think Padilla is LE’s mouthpiece.
Bri,
Padilla is a bounty hunter, so maybe he already hunted down Caylee’s body for Tim, and they are just waiting for Tim to retreive it. Tim should get that reward money too.
snookers,
I’m with you about the plea down.
catherine, i’m sort of the fence about that, i believe it’s quite possible the whole family knows, but i also think M probably recanted to C and now C doesn’t know what to believe, i’m convinced G knows and lurch knows as well…but G is trying to protect M & C at this point, and lurch is hiding under a rock some where
Maybe LV did not want to play the “caylee is alive” game. He has afterall the majority of his life time still ahead of him.
snookers,
Padilla sures knows alot.
Bri,
Maybe LV asnd Mallory went to Puerto Rico to look for Caylee
i really hope you’re right catherine, but would it take so long for tim to retrieve the body ? maybe they’re just holding the news close to the vest until they feel it’s the right time
snookers, i dunno, is mallory even still with him, i haven’t seen or heard anything from her…i just find it odd that lurch won’t do the dna or poly
Kind of balances the NG show. Padilla for the prosecution. Kobe for the defense.
Bri,
You could be right. If the family states that Caylee is dead that leaves M. dead.
snookers,
LV is a puzzle to me. Didn’t want to give up his DNA, refused a polygraph test. Why?
NG called out kobi the other night for acting all different now that he’s on the defense case
Sadly after all this time, there will not be much of Caylee left, mainly bones. M would not have dug a deep hole. Would have ruined her nails.
catherine, are there sink holes in fl ? if caylee was thron into one she may never be found…oh and what about old gas rig places ?if she was thrown into a shaft again she may never be found
Bri,
The body can be retreived in a short amount of time, especially if it is encassed in something. The testing will take a few weeks most likely. I hope she was stupid enough to put Caylee in something that ties her right to the murder.
Many people are suspicious of LE due to previous experiences.
Maybe LV had a bad experience during his DUI/speeding?
Bri,
There are sink holes in Florida. Keep in mind Tim has high tech equipment that he is going to use to look for Caylee’s body.
according to padilla, he said the body was put into a bag, i would think if i were M i would wrap it something or put her into a bag in order to not have to look at her or touch/handle the body
snookers,
LV has a DUI?
Bri,
Me too like a duffle bag or something like that.
Catherine,
I thought I read LV had a traffic violation some time back,
DUI seem to stick in my mind.
i didn’t know about the dui, but i wouldn’t think that would have anything to do with this case, seems he would try to do everything in his power to find caylee
I read on Orange County public record M. menu for the month. OMG sounds like she going to either lose lots of weight or blow up. The menu is filled with carbs.
Yesterday she had grits for breakfast and beef-a-roni for dinner.
carbs will go straight to her hips and stomach lmao
I had to ask a friend what the hell beef-a-roni was. LMAO
carbs are my very favorite thing to eat, but i have to be very careful and resist them as much as possible
She told me beef and macaroni with tomato sauce. Then she said BEEF-A-RONI get it? LMAO all over the place.
yuck, i don’t like chef boyarde, it tastes like vomit, but my hubby likes it for a snack
I don’t make that kind of food. How would I know what the hell beef-a-roni is.
LMAO @ catherine ! you crack me up !
Oh, it’s by the Chef?
Those carbs will blow her up like a mitchelin man.
i like my home made spaghetti type foods, but not canned or instant microwave crap
I don’t think she should get snything but bread and water like they do in China
or rice balls
M would claim inhumane treatment…no doubt she’ll be claiming sexual abuse too
Me too. Homemade is the best. Too bad she’s not going to ever have anymore of C. home cooking. She can go to the commissary and buy candy and junk food, but C. needs to put money into an account for her.
You mean the guards don’t you.
yep C & G will be keeping the money flowing to M
Well, it’s been since maybe July 14th since she slept with Tony Lazzaro. Long time for a 22 year old sex kitten.
catherine, i mean the gaurds and inmates, although i doubt it would be rape , but i’ll bet M will try to convince C & G that it happened
G. & C. should just move, and not go visit her anymore. Start there life over again in another state.
Oh yeah, it’s in her scrap book.
i’m thinking G will eventually go his merry way, C might kill herself, lurch will be on his own maybe in an alley way or gutter
Oh G. will be long gone after this trial is over.
Did you hear C. say that M loved Caylee more than she loved M. on the Todsy show?
C was the main one to hold them all together, now she’s falling apart
hi all . that dress sure looked new . it still had the plastic hanger from the store. in my opinion c just bought that dress.
I thought that was weird. The pills were kicking in. To say that you didn;t love your daughter as much as your daughter loved her daughter is really screwed up.
yep catherine, i heard that, just another motive for M to want caylee dead imo
Sharon,
You are so baaaad. Poor C. was holding onto that little Mickey Mouse dress with all her might. Probably had Caylee scent on it. That is heartbreaking.
sharon, i agree, also caylee may have more than just that one dress with mickey mouse on it…that dress C held up looked like it had never been worn
C. didn’t love M. just Caylee.
don’t forget they live in orlando, that’s where disney world is, they could have went there several times per year, caylee’s closet might be filled with disney character dresses/clothes
She probably marched right in that bedroom closet and grabbed that dress, and said I’m taking this dress with me on all the talk shows. Yes, there could have been two dresses, but the size 6 is a bit big for Caylee. I saw the photo with the Mickey Mouse dress on,and she looks like she was about 18 months.
And they do have Disney stores in aa lot of the malls in Florida.
i’m not familiar with child size clothing, but it said on NG that caylee was 3 feet tall, is that normal ? seems tall for a 3 year old
I think we need to test that dress C. was holding for Caylee’s DNA.
That is in the higher percentage rate for a child her age. She was going to be tall.
i agree catherine, that’s a good idea…do the police not have her dna on record ?
i do feel very bad for g and c. i wish they would acceot all the evidence every one could work together and finally bring caylee home the ants are making this search for caylee so difficult for every one,
Plenty of DNA they took her hair brush and a few other things from the Ant’s house.
M isn’t that tall though, but maybe the father is/was tall, C is tall
YOu know that dress did look kind of new.
Well my oldest daughter is 5’1″ and her husband is 6″. My grandson is 5’9″ and he isn’t done growing yet.
catherine, did you mean the dress C was holding, or the dress that was found ? the found dress may not have any lasting dna after being in the elements, that’s if it were caylee’s dress, kobi seems to think it might be to degraded by now
I wonder if M will get nutraloaf(typical prison food) in prison.
LOL, I made that one time. Foul tasting.Even my cats would not touch it. When i put it out , only an opossum snacked on it..
Everynight I think about that baby being outside laying in the dirt, just thrown away and I just feel like going down to that airport to look for her.
i thought as c seems so organized she would hav e the hangers color coordinating.
eeewwweee snookers ! LMAO ! that doesn’t even sound good to me, i like real meat in my foods
Bri,
Yes the dress C. was holding.
snookers,
You can go check out what the menu is for M at orange county public records. I told Bri she had grits for breakfast and BEEF-A-RONI for dinner.
Sharon,
C. bought her T.V. hangers on the Today Show.
that woman is trying to have every one focus on her nonsence. she needs to find caylee and let her be laid to rest.
Don’t get me started again on that BEEF-A-RONI stuff LMAO
i think you’re right on that catherine, it would prove if caylee ever wore that dress or if had ever been washed, then we would know C ran out and bought it just to show on tv
I think we should test that Mickey Mouse dress C. has for Caylee’s DNA. She could have gone snd purchased another one. It had that cheap plastic hanger they give you at the store.
maybe all the alone time m and c had the m could have told her everything. c doesn’t seem the least bit upset that m is in jail.
Sharon,
I believe that.
sharon i sort of think C knows caylee isn’t coming home alive, she just won’t admit it, they think no body no crime
I think that dress was probably planted by a joker. Supposedly in good shape. IF it was out in the open, the Fla sun would have faded the heck out of it.
I wonder if C. choked her anymore? Or maybe G. choked her because C. was taking too many pills to find her throat.
how rediculous c was being when she stopped her car got out and went off on the media once again me me me !!!
snookers,
There are alot of sicko out there thst would do something like that.
C was certainly blinking alot as though she couldn’t focus her eyes
Sharon,
One more chapter for the book.
Chapter 12-The Chase
catherine, i believe padilla when he said C was treating M with lit gloves and G was walking wide circles aroung M
Bri,
She looked like a zombie.
So, do I but why? Were they afraid of her?
bri maybe c snorted some chloraform. just kiddin!
G. doesn’t care about M. or he would not have testified. They could have read his statement to the GJ. He wanted M. back in jail.
they may have been scared of M killing them in their sleep, i know i would’ve been lol, possibly G couldn’t stand the sight of her and C was scared to stir the pot probably thought if she were nice that M would break down and tell the truth
When C. goes off those pills she going to gsin lots of weight. A friend of mind took those kinds of pills after her husband died, and now she weighs about 300 lbs.
i hate the fact the m’s are making a mockery out of this the one who suffered was poor caylee!!!
Maybe G. had the day time watch over M. and C. had the night time watch. I wouldn’t trust her what does he have to lose? What’s two more dead bodies going to hurt.
yeah sharon, the fumes got to her LOL ! catherine i think it’s pills spoiling her appitite, you’re right when she gets off of them the weight will pour on very quickly
Sharon,
She is in a better place now. That’s what I tell myself all the time when I think about her.
cat. i bet great grandpa cries every day for caylee.he just might die from a groken heart!
meant to say broken heart
if i were C & G, M would have been chained to the wall lol, just kidding, but i do for a fact she would have been in jail and NOT in my home
OMG That poor man. When NG comes on and they show Csylee sitting on his lap if you watch his mouth he is singing to her. Watch tonight.
C. said her father spoke italian, so he is probably singing to her in italian. It is so sweet. Then she hugs him and kisses him.
i’ve noticed that too catherine, what M has put everyone through is a travesty
And for what? So many people would have taken Csylee. In Florida we have a law that you csn just drop off an unwanted child at a hospital or firestation. No reason to murder her.
where’s the great grandmother ?
is c’s mom still alive? don’t really hear much about great grandma? i know m stole the money from grand parents. just wondering.
she murdered her out of control jealousy, and out of control anger toward her mother
wow bri !!!
sharon i believe M stole the money of the grandmothers old age fund, isn’t she in home there
i’m not sure about the grandmother
Shsron,
She’s slive. That’s the grandmother M. stole from. C. and her mother probably don’t spesk because of what M. did.
that bit/// she didn’t want any one to have caylee. after all she said all they want is caylee back!!! how cold and hartless.
I don’t want to sound morbid, but I am curious as to how M. murdered Caylee, and why?
i was checking out the tv guy and they are talking about casts for a movie on that blog someone suggested that sarah michelle gellar should be casey i think that would work what do yall think
well that’s my opinion, i think M was jealous of the affection shown to caylee and the money that was spent on her, less money / affection for M, i think M had been thinking about doing away with caylee for a long time, then C choked her stealing the old age fund money and running up credit cards, that is what sealed the deal for poor little caylee
and also i think for lee i think JOSH hartnette saw that too
If for nothing else just to know what to look for in other young mother’s thst find themselves in the same position as M. so they can get help before they do the unthinkable.
cat do you think thet c and mom still talk? or no? i wonder how close c was to her mom when she was younger?
i really need to drop out for a while…i’ll see gals afte NG…bye bye for now
shetwisted,
Sarah is too old. Maybe Britney Spears with a wig on.
bye Bri
i think johnny depp should play lv
andy griffin could play great grandpa.
Gosh, I don’t know if C. and her mother talk. I’m sure there is lots of anger between them because M. stole the money from them.
Great grandmother Shirley Plesea lives in Mount Dora. In her eighties. Sounds like a very normal person in interview. Great grandfather is in nursing home and had stroke. Doesnot remember things from the previous day according to Shirley. So he is spared from this tragedy.
I dont think the dress they found was Caylee’s. A size six would be too big. I think the dress Cindy had probably was Caylees. I have a 2yr old granddaughter, and she grows out of things so fast and has so many clothes that each outfit doesnt get much use, most of her clothes still look new when we pass them on to someone else.
I’m sure that C & George know Caylee is dead and Casey did it. Casey has always been trouble (high school dropout) and I’m sure as with every troubled kid, she became the focus of the family. They feel guilty as hell that they contributed to this tragic situation. They made excuses for her, bailed her out, and prayed she’d mature out of her narcissistic, criminal tendencies. She made it to 19 and got pregnant, at which point they had to cater to her to protect and house Caylee. They neglected to get the legal rights they needed; thinking that Casey had the right to leave, but would not want to take Caylee.
Their denial was that she was capable of murder, and now they are in their worst nightmare. So, their bad seed is a killer; do they abandon her for having a defective brain that will never be rehabilitated? Or will they refuse to lose two people they loved and devoted their lives to and support Casey regardless? They have chosen the latter.
I have witnessed diagnosed emotionally disturbed children in foster care, a lot like Casey, who are released into society at age 18 in droves. The govt. seems to think they won’t commit murder either, or at least they can’t do anything about it.
that m was probally waiting for great gp to pass away so she could get more money .sick.
Sharon,
She was a dirty little theif. Who would steal from anyone let alone your parents, grandparents, friends. She just thinks she csn just walk right up asnd take whatever she wants, asnd her mother will pay it back. I wonder if Amy is going to get that hoodie and those sunglasses back that M. bought at Target.
He was probably next on her list. Just a whiff of chloroform and poof he’s gone.
gotta go make dinner spaghetti and sausage.bbl
ok talk to you later Sharon
i hurd it takes like six years for every month you try to turn a bad kid good. They ran out of months with her the years just got to long for them!
I donot think that you can cal M emotionally disturbed she just does not care a rat’s a*s about fellow human beings or any living things for that matter. Only herself.
That is why I think she will plea down if the evidence is slam dunk. She is very much into self preservation.
Hi Cat – glad to see you are back. You should add TKO to your moniker.
Cat – amy wouldn’t want that greasy hoodie and ridiculous shades any more. they have casey cooties.
THE “ORGINAL” IS GOOD FOR ME M2C ORGINAL. HEY ALL. YA’LL BEEN BUSY BEAVERS HERE TODAY.
WHY DO YOU THINK BB WON’T NAME HIS HEAD LAWYER. IS IT A BIG VIRGIN TYPE OF THANGY
Mamabear! Hi!
I think bb won’t name head lawyer because nobody wants to touch this roadkill with a 10-foot pole.
I loved the Todd Black shuffle – trying to get out of putting his foot in his mouth.
MAYBE CUZ HE REALLY DON’T HAVE ONE?
HMMMMM. COULD BE
MAMABEAR,
BB wants to keep his name as M’s lead attorney as long as possible since it could have a monetary effect on his media deals/interviews.
I WANT IT HEARD RIGHT NOW THAT I LOOOVE MY LIL NANCY GRACE. YES SHE IS HIT. HOT TEMPER. SHE IS MY DAUGHTER
LOL SNOOKERS U PROBABLY RIGHT
Just got off that darn phone.
HI MAMA
hey – here’s a link to the motion bb filed for evidence testing – half granted – half denied.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/1016/17735464.pdf
HEY CAT. GOOD TO SEE U BACK. WAS TOUCH N GO THERE, HUH
Hi beans,
I FELT U LURKING. SOMETIMES I NEED TO DO THAT TO JUST CLEAR MY HEAD. 🙂
Yes, but I wrote to Jan, and I’m sure everything is going to be just fine from now on.
Hi Cat – I was so glad to see you’re back. I say again, you need to add TKO to your name. Not hide nor hair of RV or the dakster.
We all sent you big hugs yesterday.
CAT DON’T BOTHER ANSWERING RV ANYMORE. NOT WORTH UR TIME OR BOTHER. I KNOW SHE HURT YOU BUT CONSIDER THE SOURCE
SO RV CAN JUST LURK NOW?
Bri and I were talking about that little Mickey Mouse dress that C. was clutching when she was on the Today Show. I wonder if they will test it for Caylee’s DNA?
Not that she would, but there are lots of Disney stores in Florida that she could purchase another one.
ONE NEVER KNOWS CAT. TIME WILL TELL THAT ONE.
Thank you all. Big hugs and kisses xoxooxo
CAT WAIT TO SEE WHAT ALL THE EVIDENCE IS
GONNA B VERY INTERESTING
I noticed that dress seemed to be on a store hangar. I typically didn’t keep those.
Very sad, C. holding onto to little dress. I know when my father died I could still smell his scent on his sweater.
(((((HUGGS)))))
Val, I never keep them either.
VAL, I NOTICED THAT 2
we were talking this morning about how we all hope the evidence will get murder 1 and not the lesser charge. i hope there is even more upcoming evidence that speaks to pre-meditation.
if for some stupid reason it does not come out the right way, I suggest we all take a little road trip and meet in Orlando and figure out how to make it right.
LOL BEANS.
U KNOW THEY ARE ALL BLAMING LE FOR THIS AND LE FOR THAT. LEAKING STUFF. I REALLY THINK THE LE HAS BEEN VERY FROFESHIONAL(SPELLING OF COURSE) ABOUT ALL THIS.
MY VIEW OF VIDEOS AND PICTURES OF THEM HAS BEEN LIMITED BUT HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM SMURK OR SAY ANYTHING OUT OF THE WAY. I B PROUD OF THEM
beans,
First, M. needs to find herself an attorney, since BB is not qualified to represent her. That’s why he didn;t file a motion for a speedy trial. Where are they going to get the money to pay for a good attorney. I still think she will plea down to manslaughter, but if Tim finds that body the prosecuter will go all the way murder 1/death penalty.
I have a question. Not a lawyer but something I donot understand.
To me M’s behavior is circumstantial evidence.
Stuff in the trunk and on the garbage bag is physical evidence if proven 100% it could only come from a dead caylee no matter how small the percentage in relation to the rest her body.
In today’s cutting edge forensics, it should not matter.
I just donot see how the rest of her body could be that important to get a conviction.
Guess, I would never make a good jury member.
Hate to go, but I have an appointment. Be back later.
SOMEBODY SAID WAY UP THERE SOMEWHERE THAT TIM LOOKED HAMMERED. GIT REAL. U WOULD PROBABLY SAY I LOOKED STONED. THATS AS BAD AS SIMON THROWING STONES AT PADDYS COWBOY HAT. LOVE PADDY.
i am very conflicted about C. the grandma in me sympathizes and sees her pain.
but she did so much to enable m to get to this point – it’s so apparent she did not act like a parent for a long time.
one thing that bothers me, is do we know when she washed the pants? If she took them out of the car when they got it back – at that point she did not know where either m or caylee were and it could have been evidence of either. she already “smelled death”. I can’t see why a cop’s wife would have even touched it.
So, if she washed them after Casey got back, she had to have known she was “cleaning up” something – and still tampering with evidence. I’m surprised she didn’t clean out the whole trunk at that point unless g told her to cease and desist.
I also cannot believe her refusal to hand over credit card statements after being asked – or all of the receipts.
I think she feels more responsible than she says about m and her behavior and how it led up to this and cannot stand of admitting this in public.
K CAT BYE BYE
Finding the body would at least end the “she’s alive” argument. Casey would have to show where she stashed it to be conclusive, but the circumstantial evidence is so strong that she will go down. It could make the death penalty harder to get would be my guess.
bye cat – i want to discuss charges with you later. i’m not sure a body will clinch murder 1 unless cause of death is found. she could still claim death an accident and the rest a cover up. we need all of the circumstantial evidence prior to death to clinch premeditation or passion. blunt force trauma to skull or ligature marks would be the only way we could prove cause at this point, right? and good luck with that now.
LOL SNOOKERS. ME EITHER. SEEMS LIKE SOMEBODY SAID THEY DON’T NEED THE WHOLE BODY.MAYBE IT WAS NG SAID THAT.
BEANS LOL (PROBABLY THIS) g told her to cease and desist.
mama – i love paddy too. he’s a stitch!
hi guys…miss anything important…I am way too stressed and tired to read back to 2pm’ish!
LAST NIGHT SOMEBODY ON NG SAID:
AIR
HAIR
CHAIR
ah hah!…new t-shirt mama…
mama – i think it was that funny little attorney with the brown hair. she is a scream. i wish she was on every day.
Beans, she said the clothing smelled like the car, so that was definite evidence tampering. How clean was the trunk when it was confiscated? George said it smelled of cleaning fluid and rotten pizza, but he had already discarded the bag with the pizza and maggots. Does chloroform smell like cleaning fluid? He said a bottle “spilled” in the trunk. Where is that bottle?
CA – LOVE IT!
CA– JUST BEEN CHATTING ABOUT TODD AND BB AND THE REST OF IT
chloroform has a mild scent
val – I wondered if there was ever any kind of bottle evidence myself…empty or full or car or house. or C’s closet ( cover up bad pizza smell)..she prob. washed the damn pants in chloroform
val – i’ve read that chloroform can actually be used as a solvent so that may have been his mistake. I wouldn’t think that C would have made the same one – she might have recognized that right away.
I still think that C knew m was worse than anyone thought and felt she was to blame. she may have even hid things from g.
m didn’t really seem to keen on gettin rid of garbage so why would she get rid of a chloroform bottle (alone) if she didn’t want it found…there was alot of garbage..a bag in the back of the car and the pizza which she never bothered to discard…(another cover up for the bad smell)…so why, if there is large amount of chloroform traces was the bottle not with the rest of the garbage?…
also C was on a crusade from day one to implicate absolutely anyone else. she threw Jesse and others under the bus. didn’t she even do that to that Jeff Hopkins kid who was on NG that night? She and LV both knew he wasn’t a suspect.
I’m sorry – you may not want to believe your own daughter did it, but that’s not an excuse to point the finger at everyone else on the planet or make stuff up like m did with the nanny.
WE DON’T KNOW WHAT ALL WAS IN THAT TRASH BAG BUT THE COPS DO.
why are we only hearing about the bag now and about the fluid on the outside maybe being from a body!
OR BEANS SHE HAS THE “CWHCO SYNDROM”
CA – good point. G may have said a bottle was spilled only because of the amount of stain – but doesn’t that evaporate quickly?
Or they may have still been a bottle there. Maybe m was setting up a kidnapping story and was using the chloroform for that. That doesn’t make much sense but either do any of the other lies that girl tells. They sound like they came out of a 5 year old.
Paddy thinks m purposely put the pizza in the car to cover the smell.
I don’t know. We will be speculating on this forever. I think they should put m with a few other clever babykillers. she is such a little show-off they could probably get her to brag about how she did it.
Does chlolorform have deoderizing properties and they thought it would kill the smell?
CA IT WAS PART OF THE WITH-HEALD STUFF THEY GOT. CAN’T WAIT TILL IT IS ALL OUR OF THE BAG–IN A BACKWARD SORT OF WAY
mama – CWHCO? i’m getting senile. is it caught with her something something?
beans your hilarious…will let mama tell ya it’s her baby
CWHCO = CHICHEN WITH HEAD CUT OFF
i agree with someone earlier who said that Paddy may be getting stuff leaked from LE. They may be letting bits out at a time through him to the public so m and her doofus defense team start realizing how much is there.
EVERYTIME I SEE C I CAN’T HELP IT SHE JUST HAS THAT KIND OF PERSONALITY TO ME
mama – of course! i tell everyone it’s not that i’m getting old it’s that my brain is full!
mama – you’re right. C is a bean snapped a long time ago.
LMAO TRY OLD WITH A FULL BRAIN
beans …very true…little by little hangin her for her dirty filthy mind….giving them a carrot here and there hoping m will bite..
I CAN SEE HER WHEN SOMEBODY SPILLS SOMETHING. RUNNING WITH PAPER TOWELS.
WELL, HE REMINDS ME OF A COWBOY MONK
m is such an arrogant little shit – she adapts to her surroundings and tries to please whoever she wants attention from. so if she thought it would make her look cool in their eyes she’d sing like a diva.
I think keeping her isolated is painful but that social deprivation would make it more important to score when she’s back with others.
mama that is too cute – but I’ll be he ain’t no monk!
must be talkin bout busy body c…eh mama..me too…thinks her hair dye seeped into her brain a long time ago…m is a “much much worse” but carbon copy personality of C from what I can see…fantasy island…
both are aliens from Planet C.
two peas in a pod..only c is not nearly as evil
I’m off for now. Will check in after NG 🙂 Bye
see ya val..
PADDY SAID THAT SHE KILLED BABY–PUT HER IN POOL TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ACCIDENT–BODY SUNK–SHE PUT LADDER IN POOL TO GET BABY–COULDN’T SO SHE GOT SHOVEL FROM NEIGHBORS TO LIFT BABY OUT OF POOL. NOW THEY CAN BAD MOUTH ME LIL PADDY ALL THEY WANT AND THATS OK CUZ WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS BUT I BET WE WILL FIND OUT THAT HAPPENE THAT WAY
BYE VAL
wonder how the bread and water is in ocj tonight…too bad it wasnt’ true..but bet it’s not up to standards…lol…too bad M..get used to it…( sorry just feeling a little vengent)
CA – I agree. C is hysterical and m is a cool little cookie, but they both basically are manipulative and self-absorbed and think nothing of spinning the facts or withholding the truth to protect themselves.
it took an awful long time and money for c to deliver any kind of ultimatum to m for her theivery and irresponsible behavior. there were no consquences to speak of for anything she did. but i think c feels even more responsible that she could have raised a monster who would kill a baby for spite. to be fair, I don’t know how any of us could deal with that in a rational way.
Hi everyone.
mama i do not see how #1 she couldnt’ get the baby out by going in and gettin her
#2 – reaching…let alone lifting the baby on a shovel did not sound right to me..I don’t even think it would be physically possible…or M would even be capable…she’s so scrawny and meak…no way.
RIGHT BEANS LIKE I SAID BEFORE-IS TO LATE TO FIX M. SHE NEEDED THAT ON HER BUTT MANY YEARS AGO
HI NITA
mama – good recap of paddy’s theory. he always hits close to home. And when m made that flurry of calls to her mom she might have been trying to pull that part off but maybe thought it wouldn’t fly and would get rid of evidence another way.
it makes me wonder though what actually happened. and where. She could still claim it was an accident she tried to cover up though.
WE DON’T KNOW IF SHE COULD SWIM. MAYBE BABY WAS TO FAR OUT AND SHE HAD TO HANG ON TO LADDER TO REACH WITH SHOVEL
The reason IMO that C is in such denial is because she feels 100% responsible for pushing M over the edge with the fights and the c choke hold..the money…
C blames herself for what m did! Really, how could she not…the fight that happened the choking…the fact that m prob. held baby over her head for so long saying she would take her away and then for c to have prob. more then once threatened to take baby away and get custody…of course she blames herself..and her love for her daughter on top of it…I understand how she can be lost between two worlds…but it’s time to come down to earth and face reality …she can’t live in her own little protected world forever…that will not bring baby home.
mamam not physically possible…again why would she not just go in the pool…she was swimming at bf’s place with baby in June…I am sure she can swim …and the other thing…can anyone verify if it was above ground pool…any adult can stand in an above ground!!!
the shovel was not used in the pool…it was used to dig her up out of the back yard and then bury her where is right now.
mama – i think she was already dead if and when m threw her in the pool. c and g always took that ladder away from the pool because they were afraid caylee would get in there. I don’t think m would need a shovel to get her out of the pool. she could just jump in and get her.
when she borrowed the shovel from neighbors didn’t she have the car backed up into the garage? she could have already been in that plastic bag. cat said she put her under the playhouse or something. which is wierd because c and g searched under there and other places in the yard before LE could do it.
I DON’T KNOW NUTTIN. AM TRYING TO GET MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER. GITTIN INTO ONE OF MY CONFUSSED MOODS
We heard about the white garbage bag in trunk since the first dump of discovery documents, many weeks ago.
We just never heard about the testing and subsequent forensic evidence.
Like I assume plenty of other important forensic evidence/interviews.
none of know anything mama..it’s all about brainstormin
i think we will find out that G &C went out of town for one night and that night is when M went over with Caylee and wasn;t watching her and she got into the pool and drowned. M panicked pulled her out and left her near her playhouse while she wwent wherever, BF’s, paryting. Came back early morning hours after and put her in trunk.
I read somehwere that C always put the ladder away and then day C & G came home and the ladder was in the pool and she always out away bcause she was scared Caylee would climb it and get in by herself.
Just my thoughts….
oh yeah, CA – shovel was borrowed two days later on the 18th, right? when m came back and got the body.
well, the she was “in tampa” most of that weekend so her parents were not expecting her and when she showed up on the 24th for the gas can thing, the baby must have still been in there or why would m make such a big deal over her dad not going in the trunk??? and why didn’t the car totally smell by then? when did she start texting about the fake squirrel smell?
SHE WAS DEAD BEFORE SHE WENT INTO THE WATER. LATER C WANTED TO KNOW WHY THE LADDER WAS IN THE POOL. BABY WAS REMOVED FROM PLAYHOUSE BEFORE M GOT CAUGHT. OOOH IM GITTIN THERE. LMAO CONFUSED I MEAN
hi snook – yes that is what i meant…we knew of a bag but didn’t know anything about possible evidence on the outside or what it contained…your right…
Mama – I have never really heard much about the pool but a small speculation or theory a long time. Am i missing something besides paddy’s mention of a pool last night on NG?
LMFAO. I NEED TO LUCK FOR AWHILE AND LET YA’LL THINK N TALK.
Anita – we know she left on the 15th (Father’s Day) after the fight – and came back on the 16th at lunch when George was there cuz he saw m leave with Caylee then – I think she knew that C was still at work. I think Cat said they did not go out of town but if they did it would have had to be that night or the next day because she borrowed the shovel on the 18th and backed the car into the garage.
CA – yeah I think it’s only paddy’s speculation that she put her in the pool after she was already dead to make it look like she drowned. I am still not sure how well that theory works.
LURK EVEN. GONNA GIT COFFE AND WATCH U GUYS.
Is it that maybe people are leaning toward m taking her swimming, c and g at work, got busy texting etc…baby drowned…m panicked…but to go through all this for that..i think if it was a true accident no way…maybe she let her drown…and knows she did and is why she never called 911…instead tried to cover it up…
bye mama! see ya later!
Caylee angel,
Am sure there is plenty of other very damning evidence, we donot know about(like the stain in the trunk) and neither did BB.
BB should have gotten it all by now since she is now charged and is probably sweating his balls off , providing he has any.
beans..dead then the pool…don’t think so even m would prob. know that they would be able to tell if she drowned..she would have water in her lungs..if she was dead and then put in the pool..she would have no evidence of breathing and her lungs would be clear of water…no go theory dead and then inpool…not IMO
CA – if it was that kind of accident she may have felt C would do more than choke her, after thinking about it. talk about negligence – that whole gig would be up.
even if it were, there is so much going on with the missing kid site searches and the chloroform searches – it all looks like she was planning something anyway and maybe had to just go with this because it happened too soon. i still think she did it for spite.
But m is so used to improv lies that she has apparently gotten away with for years that I don’t think she plans things through very well. which is hopefully her downfall in this. i still hope it’s murder one.
snook..hey what about the g bag and the fluid..bb get that and everything up to date by now…i don’t think so..not been a week yet? Or did they have 10 days and he does have it…bet he does have a perspiraton prob. in the lower extremities..lol
c – i tend to agree but she is impulsive and doesn’t think stuff through very well. she just fabricates stuff on the spot and never seem to think anybody will call her bluff or fact check like that whole universal tour.
snookers – you hit the nail on the head. BB is a eunuch!
bb can’t try this case himself anyway and may be off the defense totally if the Count sues him and Troll Todd for botching stuff and ruining it for c and g.
OOOOOH CRAP BEANS. AND THE DRAMA GOES ON AND ON.
IT’S LIKE WATCHING A SNOWBALL
I think she was planning to go to CA and meet up with that Mark Hawkins while telling her mother she had Caylee with her. She never planned to report Caylee as missing. Because Caylee was never really missing. M disposed of Caylee like excess baggage.
Caylee hindered of her life style , besides Caylee was beginning to talk very good ,so the despicable things she did to Caylee to keep her sedated/locked up somewhere, would become public knowledge.
Even her party friends/bed partners would not be able to stomach that.
I THINK U R RIGHT SNOOKERS.
beans
It may have been that night becuause and they actually did go out of town becasue I remember C saying that when “they got back that morning” the ladder was in the pool.” It could have happened right after the fight and the morning G saw her last.
Caylee Angel,
BB was entitled to all the evidence when M got charged. It made the ten days waiting period moot.
IT WILL BE SO INTERESTING TO SEE HOW CLOSE ALL OUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THIS IS
Oooh guys check this out on WFLA this afternoon
http://www.wftv.com/video/17736185/index.html
I DIDN’T KNOW THAT SNOOKERS. BB GOT ALL EVI
A lot of the lies M told LE, she had been telling to her friends/parents for a long time. Just took a some slight minor updating.
Hi Everyone!
I’m still at the office but stopped in to chat for a moment, prior to my commute home. Once I get home, I’ll log on again, and watch NG with all of you!
Curious to see what NG has for us tonight!~
mama – i know you can’t stream video. it’s about a guy who saw a car just like m’s in late june parked on the side of the road. she had a big straw hat on and red sunglasses and a shovel and was getting a bag out of the trunk. he and the guy he was driving with did not stop but he called LE and gave them the tip. he also said there was a “well-dressed” guy on a cellphone looking like he was pretending to fish and maybe looking out for cars. You can see the clearing she went to from the road and there are railroad tracks beyond.
K AMY. DRIVE CAREFUL
MAMA,
You got Khluaha in that coffee? lol
Thanks, Mamabear!
You know how all of us nutty Californian’s drive… zoom zoom!
Just Kidding, I live out in Farm Country!
Just farm equipment and cows.. oh, did I mention vinyards, too!
Anita – you’re right – I forgot about that one. I need somebody to type up these notes!!
If the ladder was by the pool maybe that’s why they are speculating m was trying to make it look like a drowning. why else move the ladder??
OH WOW. BEANS, THANKS. WHEN DID HE CALL THAT TIP IN?
cecybeans,
Something funny with that story. Cannot see M working with shovel if there is a guy around to do it for her.
NICE AMY.
the guy might have been LV and told her it was her own project but that he’d be a lookout. did you check out the video?
I MAKE ME OWN CREAMER WITH SUGAR N CHOCOLATE. YUMMY
beans, right! I do think it happened right after that last time G saw her and that they went out od town and M knew it and went over (she had a key) and I think she went swimming with Caylee and got distracted, phone, getting dressed for night out? and Caylee climbed back in and drowned. May on phoene trying to find someone to keep Caylee while she went out that night? Rememebr how she led the one guy on in the conversation about she would be coming over/ babysitter late, mom hurt herself and in bed and cant watch her, etc..
I don’t know when he called the tip in but it was awhile ago – he did not hear back from LE and they won’t comment. He is thinking about getting his own search team together. It’s off that Boggy-something road by the airport about 5 miles from the ant home. I think I remember cell pings from there.
MAMA,
Yummy, Sounds good it is cold here for the first night. I would like it with the Kahuala though 🙂
SHE KEEPS SAYING THAT CAYLEE IS CLOSE.
anita – that would make sense. that chick didn’t stop texting or talking for two minutes at a time. if she had a chance to go out she would have taken it no matter what.
and if she had already been planning something earlier (those missing kid site searches in May still creep me out) then this might have been a last-minute thing and she went with her original “kidnapping” plan from earlier to get g and c off her tail.
MAMA,
That is what the Dad said here for 2 years about his kids. They are close. they were close because he buried them 10 miles from his ex’s house.
NG SOON. GONNA GO POTTY. WILL STILL BE HERE SO DON’T TALK ABOUT ME. LMFAO
Beans I think that is very, very possible! I have always kept that thought in my mind what C said about the ladder and returning home. It has always bothered me since this started.
i guess what I’m saying is even if this WAS an accident, I think there is evidence that m may have been planning this or some other kind of way to disappear Casey and not get caught.
she could not implicate herself or she would not be able to punish C without being punished herself.
MAMa, I wonder if she searched the website and saw the coverage about the case here with the dad and 2 kids. It was all over MSN, NG talked about it and interviewed the poor mom that was searching for her kids. I wonder if that is where she got “they are close” phrase from by internet search two months before??
she had a big straw hat on and red sunglasses and a shovel and was getting a bag out of the trunk. he and the guy he was driving with did not stop but he called LE and gave them the tip. he also said there was a “well-dressed” guy on a cellphone looking like he was pretending to fish and maybe looking out for cars. You can see the clearing she went to from the road and there are railroad tracks beyond.
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What is this about..when did this come out?
which is why she would not want to call 911 because that would implicate her and she wanted to implicate someone else all along.
CA – see my link at 5:59. it’s WFTV footage from today.
beans I think we have solved it!! let’s go tell the prosecutor to step aside that we are handling this 🙂 I really think we are close though in a way. That is why BB said, people will understand. “Understand” is she panicked. He will try to get jury sympathy.
Anita – I think so too. Unless that skull has head trauma he can make us think it’s an accident.
Which is why all of the computer evidence will be so important for murder 1 – it creates a time line that starts way before all of this.
What’s wierd is, if you plan to murder somebody, but haven’t done it yet, and then the person dies accidentally from neglect, what does that make it???
I had to post these comments that I found humorous about Black and his comments…
WFTV-Channel 9’s Kathi Belich neatly summed up the situation: Baez “acted as spokesman for his spokesman” in an afternoon news conference. Baez said that Black had been misunderstood.
Of Black, Belich said acidly, “For some reason, he won’t show his face.” She noted that Black “has made outlandish excuses for grammatical errors in his news releases.”
WFTV’s hard-hitting approach to this latest development made it the most interesting station to watch Thursday. WFTV’s Daralene Jones talked to Black by phone, and he denied meaning that Caylee is dead.
“Black scrambled for more than five minutes, coming up with different excuses and explanations about what he meant by the comment,” Jones said.
In the same report, grandfather George Anthony brushed off Black’s comment. An Anthony family spokesman said Black’s statement was inappropriate.
WFTV’s anchors supplied more odd details and sharp commentary. Darrell Greene said Black doesn’t have a professional track record or paper trail — and has never appeared on camera. That’s a new mystery, isn’t it?
Anchor Martie Salt said Baez “held a news conference to try and clean up the catastrophe his spokesman had created.”
The sandbox in the back yard was alerted on as well. It had a cover and it would have been easy to use the shovel in loose sand. Also, the neighbor said he had a vague impression that Casey and a man came by the house in a green truck. Also, Caylee was getting more verbal and posed a threat. I’m amazed she didn’t say something to the Grandparents; that just seems strange that a 2 yr wouldn’t blurt out something.
beans…OMG..this guys seems very genuine…and getting together his own search team he feels so strongly about it being m doing the deed…
Could this guy be our hero in bringing baby back…this is a huge break…he says he called it in …wonder if anything was followed up on?
The other HUGE THING HERE GUYS WHO HAVE SEEN THE VIDEO….
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THE LAND IN QUESTION WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE AIRPORT AND WHERE TIM WAS GONNA CONTINUE TO SEARCH…
IS BONE DRY!
the clip also says that this tip was within the same radius and the same time frame as the woman who reported on Oct 2 seeing someone like Casey around the airport.
Hi ladies and any gentlemen who are about too! 🙂 It took me awhile to read all of yesterday’s post and then to find you. Loved the idea of the T-shirts and all the great logos to put on them. The humour of the logos was great! I enjoyed all the laughs I got from them. 🙂
Hi Cat – glad to see you here. I was concerned about you. Good to hear you contacted Jan.
And if you are around MammaBear, yes I was up late last night – couldn’t sleep. Consequently, I didn’t get moving until 11 am.
JGray, thanks for posting those links on the other site. I found the one with Todd Black interesting, in a backwards sort of way. lol
Bri, I noticed Cindy’s constant blinking when she was on the Today Show and I thought it was kind of strange. The comments above about her being on meds might be why she was doing all that blinking. i also thought she was somewhat disjointed in her answers too and particularly when she talked about M loving Caylee more.
Val, regarding your comments about foster care kids – good points. In my job I saw many kids that had severe behavioural problems before the age of 10. Those kids usually were diagnosed as having a Conduct Disorder. The research I have seen says that if kids don’t get the help they need before their hit puberty, they are more likely to develope sociopathic tendencies in late teen and early adulthood. The biggest problem I found with these kids was that the system refused to allow me to get the help that the kids needed. It was really frustrating and very sad. I am not sure if the child welfare system in the US is like this but it sure is in my province, British Columbia and in some other provinces in Canada. I suspect that this was the case with Casey, although this does not excuse her for her behaviours or her actions in Caylee’s death.
Val, if she was afraid of M and was threatened she would be so scared to say anything. Maybe that is why she always looked so shy in pics. She was being threatened by M
CA – I just hope he waits for Tim Miller. If you aren’t an expert you can screw up evidence that might be important here.
Beans and CA and I didn;t see the link can you send again? I would love to see that clip.
BEANS…the land is bone dry…why would tim pull out
Val,
So the area was dry!? Why did Tim say they could not search?
anita..check out the land…something not right with tim
hi coolmoss – we are all in a dither over a new clip I found just out from WFTV – check it out
http://www.wftv.com/video/17736185/index.html
anita…cecybeans said,in October 16th, 2008 at 5:59 pm Oooh guys check this out on WFLA this afternoon
http://www.wftv.com/video/17736185/index.html
copy and paste..dont know why its not a link
anita..only a link when ya post…all good
re: Tim – it might be money or LE is afraid of having five thousand untrained searchers trammpling over other evidence. I don’t know. they might want to do this surgically with dogs.
Great article Simon…all I can say is GAWD!!!!!
also, Tim said he is still working with LE but might have been told to back off because of rift with C. or with searchers that are so zealous they might be planting stuff (like Mickey Mouse dresses – he looked awful sheepish about that one when NG made him admit it was one of his team who found it).
CA, sorry I thought that you had posted a link to an article with the land and the comments about the person that called in and it had the map on it.
I dunno i am pumped about this new tip…whatever the reason tim is not searching right now is NOT because the land is too wet…I just saw it with my own eyes…
I think it was much more sinister and no accident in swimming pool. No sir.
She wanted her dad to know that she left with Caylee, backpack and all to go to work. And then waited for her dad to leave for work.
She was planning to come back with Caylee and do her dirty deed.
anita…no video on newly aired tip..but not a new tip actually…
Good point, Anita, Caylee has a guarded expression in her big brown eyes. We had neighbors who were CIA and their kid played with mine. The poor thing would blurt out info and then looked absolutely terrified. I would think a 2 yr. would slip also.
Coolmoss, the foster kids I knew were heavily medicated and had homes that were not trained to handle mental disorders. It seemed like they just wanted to get them to 18, so they’d be someone else’s problem. If the home couldn’t deal, then they were institutionalized. Really sad situation for everyone.
snookers I agree.
when was the last time Tony said she had Caylee over at his place? It was well before the 16th wasn’t it?
MAYBE LE HAS ALREADY BEEN TO THAT SPOT—FOUND OUR BABY AND IS WITH HOLDING IT AND THAT IS WHY TIM HELD BACK ON IT TIL LE GETS THEY DUCKS IN ROW MORE.
M-A-M-A B-E-A-R – You said you were confused…you just made a whole lot of sense!..we have been thinking for a while that it is possible that they have found her…but still need to determine cause of death..could take time and maybe tim is trying to do that with the search being called off…
YOUR ROCK MAMA BEAR…I PRAY YOUR RIGHT!
I think Tony saw Caylee last on the 11/12th of June . Same day as Ron Houser saw her.,I believe.
CA – i found the video on WFTV in today’s section of videos. Is it really older than that? when did it first air? I have not heard this before – just the one about the woman. And this guy wants to come out this weekend the reporter said.
Sounds really similar to here too. We had mom and pop foster homes that took these kids and that was so unfair to the kids and to their foster parents. The foster parent’s hearts were in the right place but they just did not have the tools or experience to work with these kids. The kids got passed from foster home to foster home and often the foster parents burned out and quit. We only had 1 four bed home that was skilled in working with these types of children. I found it very sad and very frustrating.
ANITA – I read something beans posted about a straw hat and red glasses…i never heard so I asked..she posted the link…this video just released today..but tip called in weeks ago maybe a few months?
COOLMOSS THANKS FOR JOINING OUR DREAM TEAM. U R YET ANOTHER OF THE BEST
mamabear – that also makes perfect sense. as usual you sum up things so well!
it would also make sense why Tim looked extra sad.
if they have this evidence is it automatically available to Baez at this point or how much time do they have to turn it over to them?
snook – can you take beans prev.question?
CA – yeah, tip was called in a while ago but the guy didn’t hear back from LE and I guess wanted to go to the media.
If LE does not have a body I doubt they’ll let him search – if they do, nobody will care.
That was what I observed exactly, coolmoss. That is why I can understand C and G a little, as your average person doesn’t know the evilness of a sociopath, especially when it is your own kid. I’ve seen kids do a 180 in behavior when they thought they weren’t being watched.
beans..i would want to go to media too to make sure this is public knowledge…how will they stop him? Is it private property? and your right..Tim did look extra sad ….and the slip with black….could it be so true they have our baby…i am really beginning to wonder.
I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THAT WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT TIL CAT GETS HERE N ASK HER WHEN LE HAS TO TELL ALL. PLEASE MEMBER TO ASK HER AS I WILL FORGET
cecybeans said,in October 16th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
CA – if that’s true it makes g and c’s most recent interviews even sadder.
Maybe Nejame wants to cloak them in innocence by making it look they still feel she’s alive so that they don’t get nailed for obstruction.
Got to run guys. I have to make pumkin white choc. macadamie nut cookies for a coworker’s bday tomorrow. I alwasy kick myself after I sign those sheets of “what are you bringing.”
Well Mamabear – it is getting to be the NG Hour and I may not be back for awhile. If Cat comes and has not seen the link, please share with her and ask what she thinks.
I don’t know why I am watching NG tonight. You guys are way smarter than anyone she has on her show. Especially that Kobe turd.
I HAVE ALSO BEEN WATCHING TIMS FACE. IT IS MORE THAN SOBER. HE JUST LOOKS LIKE HE KNOWS SOMETHING WE DONT. IT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME FOR THIS TO PLAY OUT THIS FAR BUT IT IS PLAYING OUT LITTLE BY LITTLE. I THINK OUR PATIENCE MAKE IT FEEL LONGER. WONDER IF LE THINKS SAME
Yes Anita, I agree. I can understand George and Cindy somewhat too. I bet they tried to do a lot of things in order to deal with m’s behaviours and nothing worked for them. M is just hot-wired to be how she is and there is nothing now that can be done.
I found it interesting when I read that after her court appearance yesterday morning, it was noted that m. was smiling, talking and dry-eyed out in the hallways – typical behavours for a sociopath.
Thanks mamabear. I was a slow starter this morning but starting to get it together now.
LOL K NITA
bye ‘nita! now you are making us hungry!
and mamma prob. reads people really good…it’s true eh mama…tim looks like he is on the verge of a breakdown…poor soul!
Maybe not too hungry. First tiem of trying this recipe 🙂 I will let you know if turns out. I was trying to be domestic this time isntead of visiting HYVEE bakery.
I will check in after the cooking fiasco
coolmoss I agree 100% with your hot-wire analogy. But many parents today do not hold their children accountable for anything – and C was not only an enabler, she is mirroring behavior for m in her own lies and distortions and denials. It is truly sad and is the kind of poor parenting behavior that is toxic when you are dealing with a sociopath.
NG time! Catch you all later.
anita, well you can always go with yesterdays cupcake idea…
dry eyed and smiling…socio path…no feelings of connect but with ones self…does this mean she has clothes lined herself in the sense she will feel the isolation from what gave her the most pleasure in partying and being social…then to being alone in that cell?..I mean nobody would like it but would she feel that 10 fold over a “normal” person?
I remember a comment, made by the LE sheriff in charge of the case I think, earlier about how they had investigators working on something and he asked them to not submit any details to him until they had a full report on whatever it was.
LE might just have Caylee’s body and they still may be working on it and have not sent in their report so therefore, if they have found her, that might be why BB would not have it.
cecybeans, I agree. I think they probably were exasperated with m and her behaviours and did enable m, especially C.
c-a, I think it would drive m bug-nuts being confined 23 hours a day in that cell. Also having to be under surveillance 24/7, and having no control about when to wake up, go to bed, be let out for her hour a day, etc.
Hmm, m in protective custody with no place to hide, totally in view of the guards. I bet that is not going down well with her. M. can’t be very secret in that kind of set-up.
VERY GOOD COOL. THANKS. I WILL COPY AND POST THAT TO BEANS. SOUNDS RIGHT TO ME.
coolmoss said,in October 16th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
LE might just have Caylee’s body and they still may be working on it and have not sent in their report so therefore, if they have found her, that might be why BB would not have it.
CRAP-WAS IT BEANS WANTED TO KNOW? AM CONFUSSED AGAIN
Mama …. was is caylee-angel?
Boy, I have a hard time listening to BB. He irritates the heck out of me and I seem to turn my ears off when he comes on the tv screen. Hard to respect someone who acts more like a buffoon than a professional lawyer.
OOOOOH THANKS COOL. I NEED HAND HOLDING. LOL
me too mama. There are times I need a keeper. lol
KNOW WHAT U MEAN BOUT WATCHING BB. 2 FUNNY. I’M LIKE TO GIVE HIM AND HIS MOUTH TIME OUT
HOW OLD R U COOL?
Mamabear – I can’t remember squat since I got sick and had to stop working. Think I fried out some memory cells or something. Sheesh! My son sometimes tells me I need a keeper.
hi ladies, equusearch has pulled out again, and the judge has ruled all testing to continue, no c-operation from the ants as usual
HEY SAB
I’m 59 mama. Will be 60 early next summer. Some days I feel like I am 8 and some days I feel like I am 159! lol
hi mamabear, how are you this evening ? you too coolmoss
AM 65 GOIN ON 89. SOMETIMES I FEEL 3
Hey bri! i am pretty good now that i have finally woken up. How are you?
DOIN GOOD SO FAR. BETTER N LAST NIGHT SO IS GOOD. TY
LATELY HOWEVER I GET A MOMENT OR 2 OF 3 MONTHS
COOL DO YOU HAVE A SLEEPING DISORDER?
i’m ok thanks for asking, i have a pretty bad case of thrush right now that keeps me tired feeling, i probably won’t be on long tonight, just wanted to talk about what NG has to say tonight
Hmmm, Equusearch pulled out. It gets more interesting each and every day. i saw someplace in my reading this am about the judge denying BBs motion for testing to stop. Glad to hear that.
DYSLEXIA KICKIN IN:
MOMENT OR 2 OF 3 MONTHS
A MOMENT OF 2 R 3 MONTHS OLD
58 going on 158 here, especially when I forget that I don’t bounce anymore. 😛
LOL VAL. GET DIZZY BUT THANK GOODNESS BUT HAVEN’T FELL YET
Bri, so sorry about the thrush. Tough thing to have. I have asthma so I have had it a time or two because I did not rinse well enough when I took my inhaler meds. Thrush is so gross to have and hard to get rid of.
mamabear, the doc thinks I have a sleeping disorder. Tested once in 1996 but they had confusing results. Two nights ago I wore a monitor in order to see what my blood gasses, blood pressure, breathing rate was. Not heard back though. Have other stuff that causes me problems sleeping too.
mr. grunn thinks caylee may still be alive, he said M may have set up a kidnapping, and if not M killed caylee accidently
I HAVE ONE AND U SOUND LIKE ME.
Lots of meds cause dizziness; take it slow!
HMMMMMMM BRI. WHAT YA’LL THINK BOUT THAT?
thanks coolmoss, i’m diabetic so i most all ways have thrush to some degree,but when it gets bad i have a hard time, makes me feel feverish and slugish…i have a diflucan around here some where i just can’t find it, guess i’ll have to break and go see the doc grrrr
DON’T THIK I AM HAVING TROUBLE WITH MEDS. ONLY HAVE 2 PILLS A DAY. NEVER ANYTROUBLE. I GET DIZZY WHEN I LEAN DOWN-BEFORE I STRAIGHTEN UP.
mamabear ? what mr. grunn said ? i think he doesn’t want to believe that he knew some one capable of doing what M did to her daughter
Yeah Val, that bounce factor decreases with age it seems. Also balance.
This summer I was fishing in a creek and lost my balance and fell in. Chest deep, icy cold water = took my breathe away.
My head said I was 8 when I got on that beaver dam, but my body informed me that I was 59. The icy water confirmed my body’s position on my age! lol Scared the fish away when I fell in too, darn it.
OUCH Coolmoss, I get chills just thinking about that water. I got up on my daughter’s horse last week and I didn’t remember horses being so bumpy! I used to live on them, years ago.
OH U POOR BABY COOL
YES BRI. ABOUT MR GRUNN
Oh bri, I can relate to having diabetes as I have it too. Watched my maternal grand father, my mother, and my brother die from it before I got it. Type !!. Was told last Christmas that I have chronic kidney disease too and have some neuropathy in one of my feet now – it the illness that keeps on giving.
Yeah sometimes meds do cause dizziness. Also, getting up or changing position too fast can make you dizzy as well as having high blood pressure.
Bri, I heard Jesse say that tonight on NG too. I think you are right on about him not wanting to believe m. could do that to Caylee.
My poor Dad had diabetes too. Native American heritage. Hope you have good doctors and care.
i too have type 2 diabetes, and neuropathy, and high blood pressure, thank goodness caught it befor blindness or kidney damage…the biggest problem with type 2 is all the damage it does befor it’s caught…i’m sort of like mr. grunn, at first i didn’t want to believe that a mother would kill her own baby girl, but yet we know it does happen…and now i’m convinced that M killed caylee deliberately
i’m part native american, and lots of my aunts and uncles on my mothers side have diabetes, my grandfather was diabetic too, i guess he passed it down to us…padilla hasn’t said much tonight, has anyone heard about the equusearch leaving and why ?
Val, I have an awesome doctor.
Bri, high blood pressure here too, high cholesterol, chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia. Zaps my energy.
Bri I think m. killed Caylee intentionally. That little strumpet didn’t do all that research for nothing!
Chronic Fatigue here, jeez. One doctor told me that he treated famous writers who had Chronic Fatigue. Guess we can still write!
i agree coolmoss, but i wish tim wouldn’t keep saying they’re leaving til caylee is found then leave, this makes th second time, i don’t understand…seems all of that goes hand in hand coolmoss, i think i have most all of that except the fibro myalgia
CFS is another term for “We don’t know what the hell it is, but lots of people have your symptoms” you know.
No Native American heritage with me. Just fiesty Irish genes.
I noticed Padillo was quiet tonight too.
gals, makes me wonder if it’s depression, or our health issues, maybe depressed because of health issues lol
I REALLY THINK WE HAVE SURPRISES THAT WILL CLEAR UP STUFF. LIKE WHY TIM IS GONE BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE FOUND OUR BABY. SHE IS HAVING TEST DOWN ON HER.
well gals, i’m gonna go lie down, hope everyong starts feeling better real soon…bye bye
FEEL BUTTER BRI. GET REST. BYE
HUGGS
Your right Val, CFS is a handy catch-all.
Bri I also think this health stuff is interconnected.
Get better too, Bri.
mamabear, do you really think they have found caylee ? i hope so, but i thought the first time tim left, then he came and said they wouldn’t leave until they found her, now he’s gone again
MAYBE LE WANTED HIM TO SAY THAT?
I HAVE THOUGHT THAT THE FIRST TIME TIM LEFT
you could be right mambear i thought of that also…thanks gals see you tomorrow…bye bye
The problem is your body has the same ill symptoms when it is out of balance. It’s finding out what that imbalance is that can be difficult because it’s a chain reaction kind of thing. After 25 yrs., I am pretty frustrated…and tired!
BYE-BYE
Did NG have any updates on Tim? I missed the search status
ONLY THAT HE HAS BACKED OFF
SAD ABOUT THE LITTLE BOY HUH
It’s dog to the park time, bye!
BYE
Bye bri, val. Are you still here mamabear?
ME HERE
hello guy’s my head is spinning ‘i don’t know what to think about tim i wonder if they did find caylee could they keep quiet about it? that info would be huge!!!!
WHEN THIS BLOG GETS BUSY I GET CONFUSSED. WHEN IT IS SLOW LIKE THIS I GET SLEEPY
HEY SHARON. BUT MAYBE THEY SAW HOW M AND THE ANTS ACTED SO THEY WANTED PROOF POSITIVE
this is true mama.
imo tim just looks very tired.
IS THE ONLY THANG THAT MAKES SINCE ABOUT TIM LEAVING AND THE WAY HAE LOOKS ON NG. THERE SEEMS TO BE ON HIS FACE THAT WASN’T THERE BEFORE. HAD THAT LOOK FIRST PULL OUT. NEVER SEEN HIM LOOK LIKE THIS ON ANY OTHER CASE WHERE I SEEN HIM
HE DOESN’T HAVE THAT “HOPEFUL” LOOK ANYMOR
I thought Tim looked really tired too. I really wonder if they did find something and it is a hard thing to deal with.
i wonder why he comes back and forth? also the weather has been clear and warm just doesn’t make any sence to me.
I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO HID THE TRUE KNOWLEDGE
COULD HE HAVE COME BACK TO GET BACK WITH LE AND USED THE LINDA CASE AS REASON TO BE THERE. THAT REALLY DOEN’T SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THAT TIM WOULD DO. BUT THEN MAYBE HE HAS NEVER RUN INTO A DO-DO HOLE LIKE THIS IS
I don’t know mamabear. He seems like an upfront kind of guy to me.
ME TOO COOL. BUT MAYBE HE WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP LE. HE KNEW THEY WERE TRYING TO GET M IN A TRAP–SO TO SPEEK IN A BACKWARDS SORT OF WAY
LOL-IS JUST ANOTHER TREE BRANCH I’M CRAWLING OFF ON
Yeah, that backwards sort of way alright. lol
IF HE KNEW BOUT TRAP OR WHATEVER U WANNA CALL IT AND HE KNEW THAT SHE KILLED BABY WOULDN’T HE GO LONG WITH THIS TO HELP FRY M? THIS IS ALL JUST GOIN ON IN AND AROUND ME HEAD.
THIS HAS BEEN STRANGE IN EVERY ASPECT OF EVERY MOMENT
mama i disagree sorry imo if tim found that little girl he would tell the world.
When he was going to come back this time, I thought I heard something about Equusearch searching another area first and then they would come back to search for Caylee again. I think it was because they needed the area to dry out a little more. I googled the area and looked at the landscape and it did not seem all that wet to me but it’s hard to tell when you are not on the ground there.
TO BAD WE DON’T KNOW. I WANT SOMETHING WE CAN SINK OUR TEETH INTO. LIKE WOW SO THATS WHAT WENT DOWN.
i really don’t see any reason they can’t search we have had very little rain .thats why my head is spinning.
I DREAM ABOUT THIS. MY NEIGHBOR SAID I SCREAM IN MY SLEEP.
I know what you mean but quite a bit has been going on. NG was not too bad for info on the case tonight -especially on BB and his PR and his “wonderteam” lol
OTHER DAY I DREAMED G/S WENT OFF ON A BIKE AND MY DEAD HUSBAND TOLD HIM HE COULD. I FOUND HIM IN ANOTHER TOWN
it’s funny c and g haven’t put money in commisary for m she needs her gum!~
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LOL SHARON
poor thing
ONE NIGHT I DREAMED THAT G/D GOT MARRIED AND WAS SCREAMING AT X-SON IN LAW FOR GETTING INTO A FIGHT WITH MY DEAD SON. BUT HE WAS ALIVE WITH CANCER IN DREAM
THIS CASE IS FLOWING OVER INTO MY DREAMS
mama lmfao!!!!
I THINK THAT ONE CAME ABOUT WHEN RV WAS DISSIN CAT ABOUT HER PROBLEMS.
I AM A STRANG OLD DUCK
she’s gonna need lotion hoodies all that stuff!!
LOL
M. sure won’t get much parting time happening while she is in jail hehehe! Her big thrill will be the commissary, the shower, a visit from dear bb, and the odd phone call. How will she ever keep up her my space page now? lol
C WILL KEEP ALL THAT “MY SPACE” GOING.
she will tell c now look i need all of this stuff right away. especially my gum and lots of it.so put the money in there right now !!!!!lmao!!!!!
now she can finish that letter to dear lee and tell him what she did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boy, C will be really busy searching on all those Caylee sighting tips, keeping up m’s my space page, and making sure m has lots of money in her commissary fund. What if she happens to have to return to work.
Hello all I want to weigh in on Tim Miller. I know alot of you totally think her info is correct, on the matter of Tim I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IN THE CONTEXT SHE STATED. ITS JUST SENSATIONALISM.
Tim Miller is NOT giving up the search for Caylee
HEY C4C
hello mam hugs to all.
I DON’T THINK HE IS GIVING UP. I THINK HE HAS ALREADY FOUND HER. JUST MY THOUGHTS – C4C
hi c4 c. I was wondering too if they might have found a little bit of Caylee’s remains.
We haven’t even heard they took a team and searched. just a few days ago Tim sat on her show and said he would be leaving for 2 to 3 weeks, because they were waiting on vegatation to start dying off to search and they were also going t osearch for Jennifer Kesse. Even if he wasn’t searching for Caylee because of ants he wouldn’t abandon Jennifer’s family.
If Tim agreed to play along and say one thing to media and something else was true he would lose any future credibility with other family. Tim is dedicated to what he is doing and would never jeopardise that. I also have an email that I got from them about the search for Caylee. I had told some of you about it a few nights ago
Even the dress issue that came out when it shouldn’t have Tim said he thought it had no connection tothe case but would have to wait on tests. In the email I got on Oct 15, 2008 they say they will be back in two to three weeks.. but that someone is there mapping out search areas while on vacation
I believe that until Tim says he is not searching I will not believe it.
Thanks c4c for mentioning what I had heard earlier that they were going away to search for another person and when they came back the area would be easier to search. I think you have a good point there about his credibility if he went along. Right – i remember you did tell us about the email!!!
OK LIL C4C. I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. JUST MY BRAIN GOING OFF IN THAT DIRECTION.
c4c i don’t think tim is giving up on caylee no not at all i do think he looks very tired.
C4C. I SURE WASN’T TRYIN TO UPSET YOU. I AM SO SORRY
One thing that is interesting too. Tim has been on there and said exactly what he wanted… why wasn’t he on saying he was leaving? What about Jennifer. He couldn’t have found both of them. He is in North Carolina where he said he would be. NG just needed something new tonight and everyone is not talking. I will reshare email if someone wants
I did think he seemed uncomfortable about the dress when NG was trying to get him to say it would fit Caylee. He really never went there with her as she kind of over-rode his answer so she could go on to get him to answer her questions in only a word or two.
no I am not upset. I just think that people are getting the idea Tim is a flake. notice she didn’t mention donations for them tonight either(unless I missed it)
I think maybe he didn’t know she was going to mention it, maybe they have had a falling out. She didn’t lie… they have pulled out… the ants haven’t cooperated…. she just didn’t say he was leaving all along and will be back.
Mama say something…. I am not mad I promise and I don’t make promises that aren’t true. Really we are discussing opinions.
I don’t believe Tim is a flake c4c. I think he is a really dedicated person and he goes beyond what is required of him. I live far from Florida but I can see by his demeanor that he is not a flake and looking at their search record really follows it up that he is not a flake. I did not hear NG say anything about donations tonight either. She was really focused on BB and the PR thing tonight.
didn’t mean you guys… earlier there were some discussing that he keeps changing his mind… That is what I meant…not you guys.
c4c, I find that it really helps to have info from people who live right in the area as i have never been there. Thanks.
i also have alot of respect for tim i was just giving an opinion. never thought he was a flake tim has a whole lot on his plate.i have given money to the search.
Mama you know what I am talking about… where they reference that Tim looked hammered? That is why I am defensive of him. He deserves better.
OH SOMEBODY DID SAY THAT. WAS ON A BLOG. PISSED ME OFF 2. WONDER IF I CAN FIND THAT. WILL TRY
I know we all want TO find Caylee… and I believe she will be found we just have to be patient and have faith. I would also question how much they (defense) could argue if Le had body for weeks and didn’t notify the family. Defeinately be a lawsuit and could even jeopardise anyevidence found with it.
I saw that post. I thought he looked exhausted when he was on that night I think that was the night NG tried to get him to talk about the dress. What he does must take it’s toll on him. It’s a really hard thing to do. I would not even call it a job that he does. I think with the loss of his own child, he is doing it as more of a mission to search for other children. That is really something else – that kind of giving back!
Mamabear, are you around??
DID ANYBODY ELSE SEE THAT?
AM HERE. I EVEN BLOGGER BACK THAT IF THEY SAID THAT TIM LOOKED HAMMERED THEN HE WOULD SAY I LOOKED STONED.
I saw it too mama. I think it was on Oct 14th.
I saw it earlier and was frustrated but didn’t have time to get into debate about it. I know we all vent at times but I dont want us to become like “them” There have been alot of rumors about them searching not searching… IF you go their website they even tell you unless you hear it from Tim do not believe it. That was when I sent the email when we all thought because of money they werent going to search. In the email back they don’t even address the money or the ants either just that they would be back.
Sorry I am a bit slow in answering back but doing some multi-tasking. You know, cleaning up dishes, feeding dogs, peeing dogs, that kind of stuff. I need a maid to do that – boy, am I a dreamer! lol
yea I know that is what I mean I wasn’t directing that at you guys it was from earlier and I just watched NG and was frustrated at her insinuation.
I READ THE EMAIL U POSTED. MADE ME CRY-MEMBER?
I think it was earlier today. Also interesting thing about LV that I caught tonight on NG.
LOL OK C4C. DOES HIT OUR HOT SPOTS HUH?
yes mama, didn’t know if the others all had. Coolmoss also said something about it.
oops need to be clearer Cool said something about the email I had shared. not said anything bad about Tim. I really need to be clear.
That’s okay c4c, I didn’t think you were aiming at us.
I get frustrated often at NG. The night she talked about the dress being found, I thought she was rather rude and manipulative in her attempts to get Tim to positively say the dress was Caylee’s. I would imagine that that dress was sent off to the lab just to be sure it is not hers.
Tim looked very uncomfortable to me when NG was asking him those questions.
I like NG but sometimes I get fed up when she gets on a tangent and tramples over her guest when she is trying to get info. After all, the show must keep up its ratings no matter what and that’s gotta put pressure on NG. I just wish she would be a little more tolerant. Although I did love it when she went after Kobi yesterday.
In interview reporter asked LV if he believed his sister was telling the truth. his answer ” Absolutely IF I didn’t believe her I wouldn’t be standing here.” Where is he? Does he not believe her anymore?
Good point c4c. The last I heard about him was that he was following behind C and m. yesterday when they did the old switcherooo under the underpass to get m. into the bail bondsman’s car.
I agree you go after the ones that are deliberately misleading like Kobi. You dont spring info on people and then try and force them. Tim is getting caught in the middle of the ants battle. If he went on shows and told everything LE shared with him… they wouldn’t trust him…if he kept things from families they wouldn’t trust him. Tough spot.
I hadn’t heard he was there. I heard speculation that he was the driver of the silver suv but was proved that was the bailbonds man. I was surprised that he wasn’t with is dad and never saw him with m either before her rearrest. that seems strange if he really believes her. not a united front at all.
I have also read all the guesses that he is involved in a coverup or is baby’s daddy…. I am praying they are wrong. I want to believe that he is honest… It would be devasting to find out I was wrong about him and C. Even I think she has gone off the deep end and may never recover…but not because she is intentionally covering for M
I think she is delusional for sure.
I TRULY THINK I KNOW WHO RV IS. I USED POST ON THE SENIOR CITIZEN SITE. WAS SOMEBODY THERE WHO ACTS JUST LIKE HER.
I picked up on that comment about LV driving behind C and m. yesterday through several news outlets. i have requested to be sent updates from several news sources right in that area so it is really helpful in keeping me up-to-date with what is going on. I thought it was a little odd that he was following behind them -why not ride in the car with them. is what I thought. George seemed to be nowhere in sight though. Probably a good thing for him. He looked exhausted when I saw him later on tv.
why is that person so mean? were they on the otehr site too. Did they take away their right to get on this site? or will RV be back
Cat said last night that she was going to contact Jan about not having him on the blog because of his comments to Cat. Haven’t seen rv since so I think that has most likely happened. It was a really mean spirited post that sort of came out of the blue.
RV HASN’T BEEN GONE FROM HERE. IS THIS SITE–JUST NOTHER PAGE. SHE IS PROBABLY LURKIN AS WE SPEAK–IN A BACKWARDS SORT OF WAY
Hi guys..Can’t stay on long…my toothpicks won’t hold out long..lol! Anything new going on in here today? I am glad that somone addressed that comment that was made from the camp of the defence…that was a whoooopsy for sure! But sometimes people will let the truth slip first before the lie kicks in gear in the head.
HEY KRIS ORG
Hi Kris Org. How are you?
How old am I?..lol! I am in my early 40’s. And you are?
RV IS PROBABLY BEING WATCHED AND PROBABLY ME 2 AFTER ALL THAT BUT I NEEDED TO SAY SOMETHINGS TO RV WETHER I GOT THE BOOT R NOT
yea… What do we know about Todd Black… does anyone know who the guy was next to m and BB at her hearing yesterday? Could that be unnamed attorney who wants to remain secret for now.
59 Kris. I actually asked you how you were – you are tired!
Did something further happen today in the blog mammahear? I remember a little conflict last night reading…but I couldn’t stay awake any longer…to tired. I get on late here today so I couldn’t catch up on all the posts.
kris…. 57
C4C I DON’T THINK IS WAS THE NEW LAWYER. CUZ IF IT WAS WE WOULD KNOW. COULD BE WRONG THO.
Sorry coolmoss..lol! My eyes must really be tired or playing tricks on me tonight..lol.
hi kris..
Hi sharon…Have you heard anything more about the search? If they are going to come back? I know you said you wanted to go out I thought? I am hoping Tim is still coming back. Maybe they are hoping that monster will crack?
just funny that they say they didn’t know who else was there with her and bb.
I also wondered who that was c4c?
I just googled Todd Black and got a bunch of names. The one I am listening now is on You Tube. It’s pretty interesting as he is trying to spin the positives for BB’s case. The guy interviewing him is just hammering him for his presentation. Ended up with interviewer saying to Black, “you can wait sir, you can wait” and then played the LE tape of one of the initial interviews of m.
kris tim will be back in a couple weeks yes when they go out i will be there.
I can give you some of my toothpicks if you want Kris. lol I was on late last night blogging away so my eyes are starting to droop now too.
you are amazing Sharon I am glad you will help search for Caylee. I wish I could… Texas is too far away.
I keep thiking it may be harder then…won’t there be alot of leaves on the ground then? I know the area (soil) will probably no longer look disturbed. What made them completely rule out digging in the Anthony back yard…I forgot again what they said about ruling it in or out?….
Back in a minute…my daughter is stirring.
kris i heard on news tonight 26 yr old mom was giving young children pot cocain she is preg with 3’rd child getting high and is hoping she kills the unborn child what the hel…
I think maybe the areas the dogs hit on were clearly not disturbed. Like if baby was in sand box. She would be easy enough to find. under play house also. Plus unaccounted for times at wooded area is still areas of interest.
hi to all!
53……and holding!
alot of good blogging and I was trying to read it all but so much to read. So I gave up except the last few blogs.
Mamabear, you weren’t even close to being mean like RV last night. I would be really disappointed (and suprised) if Jan and Simon allowed RV to stay after all that. enough said….
what’s new in here tonight???
The whole Tim Miller and TES just does not make a lot of sense IMO and they might be searching on a very small scale.
I like to think that the search area has been narrowed down to a very small area and only a few experienced searchers from TES were/or still are very carefully searching.
Maybe ten or so. They surely would not want an army of novice searchers to show up if they are very close. After all this time, it would be so easy to mess up Caylee’s resting place since only bones could remain.
I think the dress Tim said was found by a searcher from TES a couple of days ago, and yet Tim has been saying , they have not commenced searching again.
I also thought, he has been somewhat evasive/contradictive on NG and is not a good liar.
debating Lv, Tim Miller search and mess up by defense pr guy did you hear about that yet.
Concerened…did they rule out looking under the cinder blocks they layed down in the back yard? I was wondering if so, and why? I did not know if they ever brought in any equipment to check there like xray it and see.
So the guy standing next to Baez wasn’t Todd Black? I don’t think I’ve seen him yet so I just assumed that’s who it was???
I think NG put him on the spot when asked about the dress. He didn’t want to talk about it. My understanding is that he went to search in N.C. is hoping to be back her in 2 or 3 weeks, Says the water levels are too high and the vegation around them is still not dying off yet.
haven’t heard much on lv lately.i wonder after m’s latest arrest is he ashamed of her? or is he ashamed of himself for letting this charade go on? just wonderin.
I am guessing the police either ruled it out or they were able to lift them up enough to see they hadn’t been disturbed. That may be in evidence coming along.
did you hear the comments he had said to a reporter a while back.
Yeah… I found a link on the net showing that interview with Tim on NG…She was a little harsh about that dress. Tim is a nice guy and she sort of backed him in a corner I felt like a criminal. Don’t get me wrong… I like NG alot but she did not harness in her feelings that day during that interview I felt.
I agree and I dont think Tim knew she was going to ask. I think maybe he will not be back on. he didn’t like talking about evidence that is not supposed to released
Snookers, so do you think Tim was lying or did I miss read you?
Someone said in an earlier blog (can’t remember who) that they thought Tim looked drunk a couple of times????
I think Tim is a soft spoken man and is trying to do all he can to avoid questions, which is what he is suppose to do. I don’t see him as “drunk” appearing but that’s imo.
not that they have said it wasn’t Todd Black
Hi everyone.
I found an interesting link on Todd Black and I posted it but it has not come up. Jan or Simon may be vetting it. He is with Press Corp Media and the article was on beaconhill.com. It paints quite an unflattering picture of him.
can you copy and paste the link in here. and we can go to it and read it.
So that dress may not even be linked to the case then if C had Caylee’s dress on there that night…What do you guys think?
coolmoss, does it show his pic??? Was that who was standing next to Baez?
coolmoss… do it like I do. Past the link but take off the http: before it…It should post for you, and we can add it on our end.
kris that dress looked brand new never worn and still on the store hanger,
Maybe C hung on to the hanger when she got it. I have done that too on certain clothes I bought for my daughter….Usually disney store stuff or boutique items.
Kris, I doubt that it’s the case but I wouldn’t put it past C to go to Disneyworld and buy another dress to replace to cover for M. I’m really reaching on that one….but C has sure gone to great lengths to cover for M at times! It seems like if someone was going to plant evidence, they would have planted the right size atleast?? I think 6 is too big for Caylee considering the pic of her in it looks like she’s 18 mos. or so. I think someone else pointed that out in an earlier blog too.
seemed a little odd to me.
But of course if C was covering for monster about the dress…I’m sure a paypal account through ebay would have a new disney dress to her in about 2 days time or so.
It could be that the dress hadn’t been worn very much. wether or not it was a new dress…I dont believe the one found in the woods> Tim says it was a childs six 6… he thought it was to big for her in his opinion. He also stated it looked to be in good condition. anything red like that would have faded after being exposed to weather or sun. I think it was planted by a sicko
I did remember that someone on here reminded me that Disney sizes do run small…I know this from when I shopped for my daughter there…but I still don’t know about a size 6 though.
also she is only mins away from the mall or disney store.
Do the Ant’s live very far from Disneyworld?
I CAN SEE HER -INSTEAD OF PAPER TOWELS IT’S A DRESS
I’ll bet there’s a million stores nearby that carries disney stuff. I lived in Nebr. and we had a Disney store in the mall, clothes and all.
Well I thought about this too…If the FBI is in on this case like they have been so far…why not have them run a photo of Caylee in the dress (which I heard there is a pic of) through there photo shop and zoom in on it..sometimes they can catch a flaw in the fabric or a stain etc… I know there was another case I read about in the past that did this and the photo was able to show that it was the victims clothing even before the conclusive DNa tests came back.
hi checked out the new blog i guess you guys are in this one
did i hear right that tim pulled out again on caylee search?
HEY FLOWER
Hi flowerchild..
hi mama you made it over here
I THINK THAT IF C WENT TO STORE AND BOUGHT NOTHER DRESS– THE CLERK WOULD CALL LE
Kris, I’ve seen that in forensic cases too. Hmmm….good idea.
so have they set a trial date yet?
what is everyone’s speculation on Baez not asking for a speedy trial? Can he do that at any time during this process or is it too late?
you know if ciny and george still think caylee is alive why can’t thy still put out a amber alert,is it to late to do that?
LOL FLOWER I WAS HERE AND THERE
mama maybe the butler did it. lol…
Dear Heavenly Father we come to you tonight with our hearts heavy. We pray for you to watch over all the missing children in the World. Tonight We know now of a missing little boy. Watch over Cole and keep him safe from harm. Help the law enforcement search and find Cole and bring him home. We are still asking prayers Lord for Caylee our beautiful little girl, we need help to bring her home. Help everyone involved in the this to be strong, give them hope, and help them work together to bring her home and get justice for Beautiful Caylee Marie Anthony. All these things we pray in Jesus Name. AMEN>
baez should of asked for that when casey had her first arraignment hearing on the murder charges
mamabear….good point on the dress.
flowerchild, yes Tim pulled out of the search.
I don’t know I know some of those clerks there can sound pretty ditzy at the Disney stores…We use to always laugh at our mall here cause they would only hire ones who were always smiling ” Have a nice day sort”…like stepford wives..lol..and then you’d hear that music in the background too along with their pasted on smiles…”It’s a small World”…we use to crack up over that…like , “oh my are they forced to be that happy?” lol!
flowerchild, but can he still do it now or anytime after?
AMEN
THANKS C4C
Amber alerts are only put out in certain circumstances. There are parameters they have to meet. Like Clothes she was wearing, place she was last seen. without that info you can’t Even with Cole it took about 3 hours to get one out on him and he was kidnapped at gunpoint from his house.
ABSOLUTLY SHARON
sharon said,in October 16th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Kris, was that the Disney store in Lincoln, Nebraska?????????????????? lol…..they were like that too……lol.
Tim pulled out permanantly CHSAH?
Also flowerchild…I read the guidlines for the amber alert and posted them in the blog…it is way to late for them to do anything like this now. Also it was way too late even when the cops were called in on it, because Casey held off for 31 days.
Mysterious Todd Black
This is from WFTV
WHO IS TODD BLACK?
Eyewitness News has been doing some digging to try to find out exactly who Todd Black is, but he doesn’t have a professional track record or paper trail. He works for Press Corps Media. The company claims to have more than 200 employees and an $11 million profit margin, but Press Corps Media doesn’t even have a website.
Todd Black has never appeared on camera, only doing interviews over the phone.
Kris the answer to the question about Disney employee’s being forced to be that is no most of them are really that happy until someone comes along with a nasty attitude or give them a hard time. Disney is really a nice place to work despite any problems that come along.
Hi, finally found you whew!
TRUE KRIS AND CLERK WOULD PROBABLY LET HER USE AMY’S CHECK-BOOK.
flowerchild, I think there is certain criteria for an amber alert and Caylee’s case didn’t fit that criteria. I think b/c she had been missing for 31 days already, that was one of the reasons.
CFC…..beautiful once again….YOU always come thru. Amen.
why did he pull out again,he just said he would keep looking for caylee?
HET CAT N DAK
Hi Kris,
How are you feeling? Anymore yard work?
LOL MAMA
He didn’t pull out again. trust me. he will be back in 2 to 3 weeks. says conditions are not right at this time
LOL THANKS SNOOKERS
DAK WHY U HANG UP ON ME LAST NIGHT??????????
Hi Catherine, Dak..No fell asleep on the couch earlier..just got in here a while ago. I am off tommorrow.
CHSAH,
Thanks again for the beautiful letter.
flowerchild, I understand that he wasn’t getting cooperation from the Ant’s still. I could be wrong, anybody else hear that but me.
Hi Cat…
Snookers, that’s interesting about Todd Black.
Dakdude3 said,in October 16th, 2008 at 11:08 pm Kris the answer to the question about Disney employee’s being forced to be that is no most of them are really that happy until someone comes along with a nasty attitude or give them a hard time. Disney is really a nice place to work despite any problems that come along.
LOL…Admit it Dak..you wore the Goofy costume for their promos. lol!
I have an email from them and they are coming back. He has an employee that is on vacation this week and is in Florida mapping areas to be searched and that will save time when they go back.
That’s good. Need a day off. I worked late tonight. Had to go to dinner with Mr. Bell he was nice tonight.
no I heard it on NG but I think she wasn’t accurate.
No Kris I am actually to short for Goofy my height would have put me in Chipmunk costume. I actually worked in attractions.
Snookers, thanks for posting the info on Todd Black. I just found it as well.
I also found in that article that Press Corps Media says it has 200 employees, of which Todd Black is one, and it has an $11 million profit margin. However, they do not have a website.
as far as the speedy trial baez said he would ask for it,if she was indicted for murder now he has not done that so the stat can take as much time as they want to gather more evidence against her, i think but i am no lawyer,Catherine your input on this?
Sorry MAMABEAR i didn’t mean top just leave but my wife wanted to go somewhere and I was rushed.
LOL Kris you are too funny.
Cat…….it was from the heart. You are quite the beautiful lady you are….and I DO mean “lady”. I took a “lady” to take what you took last night and maintained yourself until the line was crossed. But we won’t go there again….I can tell you this, I know more one person sent a letter to Jan and Simon on your behalf!
Glad your hear…..we’ve been asking questions that need the Cat’s opinion on!
CAT ANOTHER ONE:
Sextant
Sex”tant\, n. [L. sextans, -antis, the sixth part of an as, fr. sextus sixth, sex six. See Six.]
1. (Math.) The sixth part of a circle.
I think Baez is just a big wind bag…full of hotair. I think the speedy trial thing was an ace he may have had, even a threat to use at times…but when it really came down to the arrest, he was probably thinking, “OH SH&T!” Now I have no more leverage and have to make a choice.!
speedy trial means state has so many days to present their case for trial,i think
OK DAK. I WAS ASKING U IF MAYBE YOU ARE RIDING THE FENCE JUST A LITTLE BIT ON ALL THIS
Thank you. I appreciate all the support. That same person started on MAMA tonight. I don’t understand why it has to be that way.
What the heck are you saying mammabear..My eyes do tricks on me as it is this late…lol.
CHSAH,
I did reply to your emails.
brb have to heat of my coffee went cold on me
WAS SOMETHIN RV SAID I NEEDED. SO WE WENT TO GET A DEFF ON THAT WORD HESHE SAID I WAS”SEXTANT”
Cat, can Baez still ask for a speedy trial still at anytime? Or did he have to do that already?
Did anyone else hear that they have someone else to represent M that is experienced in murder trials but that person wants to remain anonymous??? I think NG said it tonight.
That seems kind of odd?
No Mamabear I am not riding the fence
Someone told MAMA to take a sextant and then take a slow boat to China.
I thought I heard BB some where he says if or when their is a trial” just bb speak or you think it wants to deal
SO U STILL THINK OUR BABY IS ALIVE?
CHSAH>>>Oh man..I can only imagine…my mind is working overtime on that one!
BB can’t ask for anything since he is not the lead attorney. The lead attorney can file a motion for a speedy trial, but I doubt it.
CHSAH,
On your question earlier. No, I am not calling Tim Miller a liar. Just questioned if he was not fully truthful for obvious reasons. And also wonder if some small controlled searching was done or is still going on a very small targetted area. He was here for over a week I believe, never commented that any searches were going on, just scouting the area. Yet, one of his people came up with that Minnie dress. He was also upset that it was not kept quiet.
CFC
I smell plea deal.
I don’t think they even have a defence lined up right now. I am having a visual of them running like chickens with the heads cut off!
Cat, I’ll check my email later. Haven’t been back on it since earlier today. Thanks again, the pic’s were AWESOME.
Mamabear, If I remember right, Dak said the only way he will be convinced that Caylee is dead is with a body. He’s gonna fall off the fence REAL soon!
it was not an equuuseach person that found the dress.
Where will the Ant’s get the money to pay for a super team of attorneys for M. They are going to plead down to manslaughter for the body.
Yea I think they are waiting to see if we find body, then she will plea. Hopefully by then we wn’t plead her down.
Was that “person” who told mamabear that who I think it was???? That person is STILL on this blog site???
Nite all, my eyes are drooping so I am off to bed.
Dak…..you said you were short….you won’t have far to fall….LOL. Just kidding ya.
that would not be a life sentence would it.
goodnight cool. chat with you later
NITE COOL
The father the trial is away, the longer BB can stay in the limelight. Once the trial starts , he will have to step down as lead attorney.
CHSAH..What happened with mammabear…did someone start something.
If Tim finds the body there is no reason to plea down. They may plea to murder 1 life with no chance of parole if she tells LE why and how she murdered Caylee.
nite…cool.
is the child neglect and fraud charges,and the murder trial going to be separate?
CHSAH,
Yes the same one.
snookers…thanks for explaining. Didn’t think that sounded like something you’d feel about Tim. Makes sense.
True Catherin…But would they believe her if she did? That is the question of the hour.
Maybe they would poly her.
Tim said on NG that is was an TES person if I remember correctly.
Did I hear right? Was NG talking with Grund about his “accident” theory that Casey was trying to stage a kidnapping in order to get away from her parents/mother? How would that make sense? Was she a 22 yr old prisoner? Why would he say that?
jesse gunds dad says he think that casey was trying to get away from cindy,and came up with the kidnapping story,but that still doesn’t explain the dead body in the car,which is a proven fact by the testing,so how is that possible?
I don’t know if Linda Drane would accept a plea she wants murder 1 death penalty. BB knows she is one tough ccookie. Tough call!
Mamabear, well if ur taking the slow boat to China, let us know….I need a vaca too! LOL>
Cat, sorry to hear that (same one), even KIMCON got booted for being obnoxious??????
sorry, just waiting for answers on some of the blog above so I can comment….
sorry val i was thinking the samething,he said something must have gone wrong and a accident happen,so she hides the body all this time?
Cat, do you think they offer M a plea down to manslaughter even without her giving up the body or details?
I TOLD RV THAT HESHE JUST WANTED TO PUSH ME OVERBOARD
If you watched Nancy Grace tonight, you’ll recall that she made a big deal out of the discovery of a dress – similar to a dress of Caylee’s – that was “just found” near the airport. During the show, Grace interviewed Tim Miller, who mentioned that the find had been leaked to a member of the media. I am that member of the media and I can provide you with the details of that find.
On Saturday, I received an email from an individual in Florida, who informed me that he was with a group who found a child’s dress in an area, not far from the airport – that was identical to the dress that Caylee is wearing in photo #3 at the following web link: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17399904/detail.html.
Texas EquuSearch did not make the find. It was found by an independant search group that had helped out in the first search for Caylee.The email went on to describe the item and the fact that the individual had an “exclusive” photo of the dress.
What about truth serum? Can they use that on her?
my typing is getting sloppy…I meant They’ll
Cat…..ughhh….NEVERMIND, I just re read your comment and you already said plea down WITH a body…sorry! Trying to keep up and read fast!
TIM SAID HIMSELF TAT IT WAS SOMEBODY FROM HIS GROUP:
concernedforcaylee said,in October 16th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Kris,
Maybe with her permission. Is there a truth serum available?
the above article was written by David Lohr
could that dress be a plant,if caylee had been wearing that dress it would not have been in good condition as stated by tim?
I’M SURE THEY WANTED TO TEST IT OUT BEFORE COMING TO PUBLIC ATT
mama i heard tim say that also.
flower,
Maybe the dress was in Caylee’s backpack?
I UNDERSTAND C4C BUT WHEN HE WAS ON NG TIM DID SAY THAT. I WATCHED IT TWICE TO MAKE SURE
well cindy pulled out a dress like that and said it was in caylee’s closet so what is up with that?
NOTHING IS NORMAL IN THIS CASE C4C. NOTHING
yes tim did say it was a memember of his team
I’m glad you noted it too Flower. It made no sense to me why he would say that. What motivated him to even say that? It doesn’t help her case. If she wanted to get away from Cindy she could leave. How would a kidnapping help her get away, unless she was trying to make them both look abducted. Was she going to ransom Caylee for money and she died? I don’t get it 🙁
Another problem for M. is getting an attorney who believes her story. That’s a lot to swallow for a high powered attorney.
tim said it was one of his searchers
CINDY HAS CHICKEN WITH HEAD CUT OFF SYNDROM. IT IS A PAPER TOWEL. CLEANING UP CASEYS MESSES
god we will be on this blog come new years or something
I have a question Padilla ststed at one point he was offering $50000 to anyone who could point him to a body. Why doesn’t he give that money to Tim since he is all gung ho about Tim
oh god – my guy was on this computer for the last five hours doing WORK. how freaking inconsiderate. i have a lot to catch up on i’ll bet. hello!
My posts are not showing up again…
Maybe M. was in partners with the kidnappers and they were going to split the ransom money if you buy into that theory.
I don’t believe their was any kidnapping plot. She killed Caylee because, she wanted to be a single woman with no baggage.
DAK–YOU DON’T KNOW IF PADDY HAS GIVEN TIM ANY MONEY. DO YOU HAVE PROOF THAT PADDY HASN’T GIVEN TIM ANY MONEY?
HEY BEANS
Video of NG & Tim about the dress: just type http: (beforehand).
//www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/10/13/ng.caylee.dress.cnn
Catherine, supposedly they have an attorney “ON BOARD” and ready to go…do you think that’s bull???
CFC,
Below is transcript from NG.
I read it as somebody working with TES, since Tim said yes.
Tim, you`re back in Orlando, searching for Caylee Anthony. I understand you made a discovery.
TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: Yes. I didn`t make the discovery. The discovery was made by a searcher. I`m very disappointed that it leaked, and it shouldn`t have been. But now it`s out, we need to clarify it.
GRACE: OK. I understand — when I say “you,” I am referring to Texas Equusearch. Was the searcher someone working with Texas Equusearch?
MILLER: Yes.
I C UR POST KRIS
No I don’t have proof
I think Paddy would give Tim money. This case is now personal with Paddy. M. lied to him and he wants his pound of flesh from her.
Exact question I was going to ask Mamabear! How do you know Dak, people donate anonymously all the time and TIM doesn’t just go and reveal his donation sources all the time.
A couple of them did not show up mammabear..but thanks for telling me that one did. I notice one thing…is that the ones that are not showing up, do not show up on my end either.
can we all agree there was a dead body in the car,and if so if not caylee’s,and it was someone else’s body,how would caylee’s dna be in the car re body fluids ,hair,also fluids on the trash bag,is ther any possible way to fake that evidence,to make people think she is dead but not?
Sabrinas were not showing up here, but Mama and Cool were talking with her. I thought I was losing my mind.
THAT IS PADDY’S MONEY AND HE CAN PAY FOR A BODY THEN MORE POWER 2 HIM
I think the Ant’s should be DONATING $$$$$ before paddy should be expected to and WE ALL KNOW THEY HAVEN’T! For pete’s sake…..they’ll take out a bond for Casey using their house as collateral but they won’t put up money to find their grandaughter…….DEAD OR ALIVE????
PLUS TIM WOULD LOOK FOR OUR BABY WITHOUT C N G’S MONEY
Wow val…that would freak me out too..Make me want a taste of the hair of the dog that bit me! At least then there’d be a plausible excuse! lol.
Flowerchild,
LE has been known occasionally to plant things like drugs.
But no way could they fake decomposition fluids that is indentified by DNA.
DAK U CAN SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT ABOUT PADDY BUT DON’T DIS HIS COWBOY LOOK, THATS ALL I ASK. I WOULD GRAB HIM IN A SPLIT SECOND AND DRAG HIM IN AN ALLY AND HAVE ME WAY WITH HIM.
Cat, I agree with you about Paddy. And…I do believe that he is still doing investigative work with LE to help solve this case. That’s more than C & M are doing!! What’s your take on L…..why the silence?????
The DNA is going to prove that Caylee was in that trunk. Caylee’s body fluids was on the pizza bag and in the trunk. Caylee’s hair was found with decomposition bands. Chloroform was found at high levels in the trunk. Air test from the Body Farm show there were decomposition in the trunk. M. never called police it was Cindy that called 911 after Caylee was missing 31 days. If it was up to M. we probably still wouldn’t know that Caylee was missing, because she was headed for CA. to live with that guy Hawkins. Then add in all the lies about her job, the nanny, Jeff, Juliet etc.
If it looks like a snake hisses like a snake, it’s a snake.
oh i wasn’t talking about le doing the plant i was talking about casey
mama is rhat in a backwards sorta way? lol,
DAK—READ THIS:
Catherine said,in October 17th, 2008 at 12:00 am
flower..you talk about a trash bag in your post..I don’t remember hearing about it? Tell me more…
also wanted to say..why would anyone want to make it look like a body was in there? I would think planting evidence of that nature would be hard to do, also what would they get out of it? Besides if Caylee was alive how & why would that awful smell be in there? It just seems so far fetched to me. I have heard of corrupt cops before but usually it would be like planting drugs or something for a bust..never in a death case.
LMFAO SHARON. ANY WAY HE WANTED IT. BACKWARDS-SIDEWARD-FRONTWARDS-UPSIDEWARDS.
that
i was just thinking of possible scenarios in the odd case
Yeah yeah MAMA. Gotta go daughter is being fussy so have to get her back to sleep so my wife can sleep she has to be up in 4 1/2 hours.
mama i’m lmao!!
K DAK. NITE
MAMABEAR….nice picture you put in my mind there! LOL.
FLOWERCHILD, I just don’t see anyway they could have done that with ALL the dna evidence they have shown thus far (and we don’t even know what else they have??). It’s a very good question though! There are crooked cops everywhere that have planted evidence, but I just don’t see the LE in this case doing that. They fired one of their own over this case, I think that took guts (and downright honesty)
mammabear….You have a crush on Padilla?
Do you have any co-pay for an eyedoctor? lol.
mama i love paddy and his cowboy hat !!!!!!!!!
By Dak
LV MIA is puzzling to say the least.
Sure hope he is not cleaning up for M. Locating her cell phone that she said was lost. I would think LE is tailing him, wouldn’t you?
HEY E1
CAT WAS JUST TELLING DAK ABOUT EVIDENCE IN A BACKWARDS SORT OF WAY. HE THINKS OUR BABY IS STILL ALIVE. I WISHED HE COULD BE RIGHT
flowerchild, oh I thought you meant LE planted the evidence. I was gonna say girrrrl….you been watching too many mystery movies! LOL. But don’t you think if Casey planted it, that she would be talking by now to avoid jail or prison or even the death penalty???
the trash bag that had the pizza in it at the tow yard that,geroge and the tow guy threw over a fence which le retrieved
he does have a cute smile.
I THOUGHT ABOUT THEM TRAILING LEE ALSO CAT
I’m almost through catching up so forgive me if I am off base, but earlier there was speculation on why LV is distancing himself.
Do you think that Nejame is trying to distance g and c from both lv and m?
I still am having a hard time figuring why they lawyered up so fast. This big play g and c are making since the indictment for finding caylee alive might be to remove any suspicion that they know she’s dead and were tampering with evidence. Nejame might have told them to keep lv in the background and keep their noses clean by making it look like they still buy the kidnapping story.
Given their present state of mind that might be easy to do. What do you guys think?
Well I wish he was right too, but I am a realist. Too much evidence proves to me that Caylee is dead.
I think the Count is shopping for those book or movie deals, and he needs a lot of drama.
sorry trying to type with one hand, i got a six week old puppy in my lap trying to chew off my other hand LOL
PADDY AINT BAD LOOKING FOR A 70 YR OR OLDE MAN.
YES THEY HAVE FOUND FLUIDS ON THAT BAG AND ALSO HAVE MAGGOT.
BUT THEN AGAIN THAT MAGGOT THANG GOT ME. I STILL WONDER IF THEY HAVE A BODY AND THAT IS WHERE THEY FOUND THE MAGGOTS. MAYBE TIM DIDN’T FIND THE BODY. MAYBE SOMEBODY FROM THE LE DID
nite all!
Catherine, I’ll bet you everything I got that LE is tailing him. I’ll bet there’s am LE GPS on his vehicle and has been for quite sometime. He has stayed out of the limelight for quite sometime and it he has to be up to no good????? I’m dying to know what it is???
Does anyone know if him the the gf are still together? Do they live together? Where does LV live?
nite sharon
I better start re reading what I post before I post it…..I’m missing words and talking jumbled! LOL.
I think G. C. & LV are being trailed by the FBI. They may think M. told them where to find Caylee.
BTW Mr. Grund is back peddling alittle bit isn’t he?
Cat – so you don’t think lv is in on anything c and g would need to deny, right?
It makes sense Count Chockula would hold out for the book deal but he’d get that whether it’s a murder or not, right?
did you see that link we were gabbing about earlier on the new tip?
Mama – you said for us to remind you to ask Cat something later. Did you get to do that?
All I want to know is what BB is meaning when he says this will all make sense to everyone when it comes out…and everyone will be like, ” Oh I see, I understand now “…Does he think we’re that gullible and understanding? I think he is blowing hot air again. There is no more understanding that I could give to anything they say to the point where I could say, “Oh I understand”….GOD! Might as well sign me up for a job at that disney store and paint that permanant smile on my face that goes with the job application….JEEEEEEEZ!
BEANS, IF I WAS THE ONE IN CHARGE I WOULD SEPARATE C N G. I BET HE WISHED C WOULD KEEP HER MOUTH SHUT. HE IS USING THAT THANG WITH THEM SAYING CAYLEE IS ALIVE AS A PLOY
grund is backpedaling fast
NITE SHARON
right on mama.
And BB is finding it hard to mix batches of Casey Coolaid (I loved that one, by the way) when the Toddster is dumping it all on the floor. That team is a riot!
i do believe someone in that family knows exactly what happen to caylee
beans,
LV is hard to read. Doesn’t really say too much. I don’t understand why he wouldn’t cooperate with LE for the poly or the DNA sample. Maybe it is just to show his love and support for his sister? Maybe he is Caylee’s father?
What kind of backpeddling is Grund doing? I missed that…also I thought the police cleared him of any involvement.
Grund probably got a call from either Nejame or C telling him to cease and desist with anything negative – it’s “hurting” their case. He seems like a decent guy. I feel the sorriest for him and g i think.
Cecybeans, I think LV is distancing himself and staying out of the limelight b/c he has something to hide. He had absolutely no reason to not willingly give a DNA sample or take a poly……OR DOES HE??????
Cat, your earlier comment lined it out all just as it is! And that is how a jury is going to see it. I really believe that. You stated facts…..they can sit all day and dispute them but they are still what they are…FACTS. well put!
COOL ANSWERED US BUT WILL POST TO CAT:
MAMABEAR said,
in October 16th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
MAYBE LE HAS ALREADY BEEN TO THAT SPOT—FOUND OUR BABY AND IS WITH HOLDING IT AND THAT IS WHY TIM HELD BACK ON IT TIL LE GETS THEY DUCKS IN ROW MORE.
cecybeans said,
in October 16th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
mamabear – that also makes perfect sense. as usual you sum up things so well!
it would also make sense why Tim looked extra sad.
if they have this evidence is it automatically available to Baez at this point or how much time do they have to turn it over to them?
THEN COOL SAID:
coolmoss said,
in October 16th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
I remember a comment, made by the LE sheriff in charge of the case I think, earlier about how they had investigators working on something and he asked them to not submit any details to him until they had a full report on whatever it was.
LE might just have Caylee’s body and they still may be working on it and have not sent in their report so therefore, if they have found her, that might be why BB would not have it.
Cecybeans,
Could be the other way around. LV surely must have gotten a lawyer and was told by his lawyer to distance himself from his parents especially C the freak.
Anybody ever heard something anymore about that picture of Zanny, M and Caylee in the park?.
Was that another Todd Black special?
i understand love and support but,how is taking a poly and dna sample not showing support,it is only making him look suspicions if he is innocent of anything then that would cler him of any involement
Kris,
If he had some explosive evidence he should let it out now, and get M. out of jail. He is bidding time. Chapter 13 Explosive Information
clear,typo
Cat – and maybe he’s also the “well-dressed” guy seen fake-fishing and using a cellphone the same time as that alleged sighting of Casey on Boggy Creek road emptying out her trunk. I’m dying to hear what you think of that clip.
my guess if he was the daddy he would have been m’s first choice as an accessory after the fact. where was he during late June?
Is there any legal limitations they have to turn over the fact that they found Caylee to BB? If in fact they did..I was just wondering on this…We know he crys “foul” for everything….I just don’t want to hear him whine about it like a big baby…WAAAAA!!
mamabear when did tim look so sad what are u talking about did i miss somthing?
CHSAH – i’m with you – i think he is up to his eyeballs in this with plenty to hide.
heck, if lv has a lawyer he may be telling him to stay away from c and g and vice versa.
Cat, what do you mean by Chapter 13 explosive info – as in bankruptcy? and regarding whom?
CHSAH,
We are on the same page. Too much evidence to look in another direction for what happened to Caylee. Thatis why it took the GJ 30 minutes to indict M. on Murder 1
Mr. Grund was definately back peddling. Maybe because the reality has come since M has been arrested, he now knows Caylee is really gone. On an interview over the phone when NG talked to him and asked him how they felt about M’s arrest and the murder charge, you could hear the distraught sound of his voice and he started to cry. I think he was more sad for Caylee, than M, but his family are Christians and he wants to believe M wasn’t capable of hurting Caylee?????????
if someone is called as a witness, they can’t be in the courtoom to hear testimony other than when it’s their turn, is that correct Cat?
That does make sense..with Tim looking sad on NG the other night, also with the time mentioned that Tim would return to search. Maybe just prior to this time frame they expect the results to confirm the find of a body or bones that they are in fact Caylee.
C4C????????? WHERE R U. HAVEN’T SEEN U SINCE 11:42 pm
Kris – whoever first chairs this will have duct tape all over Bozo’s mouth in about five minutes after the damage Todd boy did today.
With friends like BB, who needs a prosecutor?
Catherine….my thoughts exactly and I hope it only takes that long for the jury to convict her too!
what body and bones info please
Kris,
Once the testing is complete the DA must turn it over to the defense as discovery.
FLOWER TIM HAS LOOKED DIFFERENT SINCE THE FIRST PULL OUT. I NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT TIM. HE JUST QUIT HAVING THAT “HOPEFUL”LOOK. MORE LIKE SADDEN . JUST DIFFERENT
Catherine…So they don’t have to tell BB of the find itself righ? Until the results are in.
CHSAH,
Yes, once they testify the witness leaves the court room.
Mamabear,
Was just checking the other blog. Not nice of RV to send you to China. A sextant is a navigation device utilizing the stars to get your bearings. Many years ago mariners used it to sail across the ocean so they would not get lost. It is nothing dirty.
Cat – if LE found remains recently that are being tested to see if they are Caylee’s – would they have to disclose that to the defense in discovery yet?
Also, they may have been found by someone not in Tim’s group. Maybe FBI? or would that be stepping on LE’s toes?
i think tim has lost hope that caylee would be found
I wonder if this rumor is flying and got back to monster in jail. Then she would know her goose is cooked for sure, and there will be no plea deal.
Beans,
No, I mean everyday the book is getting thicker and thicker. Chapter after chapter.
cecybeans, LOL….how true!
well, I guess that question was answered as I typed…
Mama – if you use a sextant to find Paddy it might be something dirty, but only if you want it to be…I know you think he’s a cutie.
ok did they find more bones or a body someone please catch me up
SO SNOOKE??????? HE-SHE WAS TELLING ME I WAS IN NEED OF HELP? LOL
I found it peculiar that C & G made the statement that they will find a live Caylee before the trial begins…Then they went out cruising again with the billboard..How would that do anything? If they truly believed this do they have PI’s looking for them? They have the money now we heard to do that.
Cat, so let me see if I understood you? The witness’ CAN be in the courtroom until they testify and then they have to leave?
LOL
cecybeans said,in October 17th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Beans,
FBI & LE share info. The discovery process can be drug out as long as they want it to be. No time limit with testing evidence is required. The discovery can be turned over at any time even after trial has begun.
No flowerchild..Noone knows anything for sure. We were just commenting on Tim’s demeanor on NG and how sad he looked, combined with the fact that one of the lead officers said they were working on something significant right now.
well i am saying nite have a busy day tommorrow so catch u guys later,leave a link if you move,BYEEEEE
Well, Cat, I hope you are the one writing this book. I mean, Ann Rule started out that way. And Dominick Dunne didn’t do so bad.
My sis lived in CA during the Zodiac, Petersen, and a zillion other cases. She loved to serve on murder juries. She’s a Tru TV junkie and does great research. I always told her that when we’re old ladies we should run around the country attending trials and writing books.
i wish there was a way we could all attend this one together. I’m already thinking about the teeshirts we could wear in court….
flowerchild, I don’t think they’ve found bones or a body, I think everyone was talking about “if” they did, what would be the procedures for LE to release that info to Baez? Right gals??
CHSAH,
No, they are called in when it is there time to testify and the they leave after they testify.
kris original thanks for the info
MAMABEAR<
LOL, he(am sure it is a he) did not want you to get lost and end up in Australia instead if China.
NITEFLOWER
BUT CAT……. DO THEY HAVE TO TELL DEFENCE THEY HAVE A BODY YET?
Catherine said,in October 17th, 2008 at 12:38 am Beans,
FBI & LE share info. The discovery process can be drug out as long as they want it to be. No time limit with testing evidence is required. The discovery can be turned over at any time even after trial has begun.
CHSAH…I still think it is a possibility they could have found a body or remains.
By flower..
Of course they can be called back in to clarify something they said in their testimony, and the defense can cross examine the witness after they testify.
SNOOK—-U KNOW HE-SHE WANTED TO PUSH ME OUT OF THAT BOAT TO CHINA. DID U READ WHERE HE-SHE WASN’T ANSWERING ME? HE-SHE WAS THERE LURKING. AND I THINK IT IS A HE-SHE
Cat, I didn’t know that! (that they can turn over discovery even after the trial has started). Interesting. What would hold one (like Baez) from holding SIGNIFICANT evidence till the trial and then whip it out? What happens then? Does the other side get a chance to investigate the discovery “material” before proceeding?
Nite Flower.
Mama, I don’t think they have to even admit they have a body until after testing is done, correct Cat?
So they may have found something already, which would explain Tim’s on-and-off again schedule and that they are pretty sure looks good would be my guess. If it doesn’t test out then they don’t have to admit later into discovery.
MAMA,
Nope. They have the right to test the evidence first.
okay Cat, that’s what I thought about the witness’ but wasn’t sure. That is so their testimony can’t be “swayed or tainted” right?
As to BB, first it was compelling evidence that would explain everything, now he slightly reworded it.
Just as believable as that photograph we all are waiting for in eager anticipation. He has absolutely no credibility IMO. Just blowing smoke.
Think I’m gonna hit the hay guys…Can’t stay awake much longer…I will catch up on the posts tommorrow, and catch everyone in here then too. Nite everyone.
nite flower…
CHSAH,
IT works both ways. It is the prosecution that must prove the case. The defense wants to punch holes into the prosecution’s case that would cause reasonable doubt in the jury’s mind.
Kris, I agree with you that they may have found a body, wasn’t challenging your thoughts on that.
nite girl!
OUR POOR LIL CAT. DO YOU EVER GET CONFUSED HERE? I WOULD GO APE IF I HAD TO ANSWER SO MANY ?S. WE ARE TRULY A DREAM TEAM HERE. SURE HOPE LE IS READING THIS GOOD STUFF.
THANKS CAT FOR ALL THE ?S U ANSWER FOR US
MAMABEAR,
Someone may have already told you this, or perhaps you already knew, but just in case …
A sextant is an astronomical instrument, used to determine latitude for navigation. Up until the early 1900s, this was the instrument used by sailors attempting to sail to their destinations.
Modern equipment replaced the sextant, though surely some purists still use them. But they’re not easy to master, and many have known to get lost at sea using them.
Bottom line is that by suggesting someone sail to China using a sextant, he is suggesting that he hopes you either get lost at sea or that it takes you forever to arrive because you keep losing your way.
But I’m sure you already knew it was an insult. I just thought if someone has insulted you, you deserve to know what he was saying. (and yes, the person who insulted you is a he, not a she)
I can say with certainty that he’s the only one who would wish such a fate for our dear MAMABEAR! We don’t want you lost at sea! We want you sitting in your comfy chair, fingers on the keyboard, visiting with your friends here and demanding justice for a precious, sweet missing child.
See yall tomorrow! A long week of classes and grading papers for me, but tomorrow should slow down.
NITE KRIS
CHSAH – I think the only thing Baez is going to whip out is a big old can o’ Casey Coolaid.
He’s gonna try to make it look like a big old accident and that’s why C is ranting on and on about the fact m is no murderer. I think C’s trying to make it look like a lesser charge and that her poor baby m made a booboo but just couldn’t bring herself to tell anybody about it.
never mind there is beaucoup evidence showing m was planning a kidnapping using chloroform and missing kid site searches made in May.
Right
Also that tabled motion from BB about stopping the testing of all evidence by LE, unless a BB crony was present, was nixed by the judge, today I believe.
beans,
That was M’s mistake. She could have gotten away with murder. All she had to do is say Caylee got into the pool and drown. She could have called 911 and got off with child neglect.
AWWWWWWWWWWW. THANKS FOR ALL U SAID TEXAS. NITE
(((((HUGGS)))))
CIT, good job, well put! It sure cleared up some questions going thru my mind! LOL.
goodnite..
hmmmmm…..so “he” used to be a sailor???? LOL. jk.
snookers,
BB knew those motions were going to be denied. This case is a case about science. DNA Period
Cat – thank you for answering our dizzying array of legal questions. we are forever wishing you were here when you are gone and so we bombard you with all of our unanswered goo when you get back.
I also think that LV may have to testify about C choking m on the night of the 15th which leads to motive. that might not make him too popular with his mommy right now.
Casey Kool-aid….that cracks me up. I heard that explained tonight on NG I think it was. I kinda missed the boat when the LE detective said that! (the boat to china that is!) lol.
CHSAH,
Have you seen MAMA photo on myspace? She is beautiful.
THE PEOPLE HERE ARE SO VERY SMART. (WOULD SAY INTELEGENT BUT DON’T KNOW HOW IT’S SPELLED)I EVEN THINK RV IS SMART. BUT ALONG THE LINE RV GOT STUCK IN THE “BULLY SYNDROM”. I JUST LOVE IT HERE WITH YA’LL
Cat – I think she did not want to call 911 because it would blow her earlier plan of a kidnapping. If she was involved in Caylee’s death in any way, accidental or not, the wrath of C would be endless. I think she was trying to disappear Caylee in a way in which she also looked like a victim instead of a neglectful twink. so she rerouted and went for a botched kidnapping story.
cecy…well said. We LOVE our Cat! We’d be lost on this case without you!!
Was LV there that night? I thought it was just C. & M.
If I was bettin’ at the races……I’d put ALL my money on Cat’s theory and explanation of what’s to come down in all this!
Mama – I saw your pic and you are hot. You should send that one to Paddy.
my computer is so slow tonight!
nite Mama – you are obviously the soul of this blog!
CAT BE A SMART COOKIE OK
My old fiance was good for something. He filled my head with all that legal crap. He is a defense attorney in Pennsylvania now.
THANKS BEANS. WHY U LEAVIN?
Cat, yes, I DID see mama’s picture and I told her it was beautiful. AS WAS YOURS! I have enjoyed the pics because it helps to put a more “personal” side to one’s comments and thus, adds a little more understanding and meaning. If that makes sense?
Cat – LV wasn’t there I don’t think but he was talking about the fight in his interview with LE. It may or may not be hearsay as a secondary source. And even if he got the story directly from m, it might still work as to her frame of mind. But g might have been there to corroborate.
Yes, i know what you mean. I am always curious to see the face behind the name.
Mama – I’m not leaving, I thought you were! Obviously I am going blind!!
I wanna see pix of y’all… and your little dogs too!!
I SHOULD GO. THIS 3:00 AM BUSINESS IS FOR THE BIRDS.
Cat, well your time with him wasn’t a waste atleast……..YOU’VE sure helped explain things to us here in terms we would NEVER begun to understand!
CHSAH – you are gorgeous too! Man this place is full of good looking ladies!
I THINK EV1 I HAVE SEEN HERE IS BEAUTIFUL AND THE ONES I HAVEN’T SEEN.
Beans,
i bet it was common that they were physical with each other when then were fighting all the time. Very sad. Poor Caylee must have seen so much.
Cat, I’ll bet you miss hearing M’s door open/shut on FB don’t you??? LOL>>>>>>>
Been around a lot of sailors my own self! rofl. just kidding. Only a few. lol
Wish I knew this from personal sailing experience. Truth is I knew it because I study old old literature. Not quite as exciting. But I do plan to take sailing lessons this winter, so we’ll see!
ok back to business.
I’m thrilled at the gaffe made by Team Baez. BB can try but he cannot take it back. It’s out there, floating in the air on particles too tiny for him to capture!
TIM: I’m quite disappointed that this whole nightmare has already hurt Tim. Prior to the Anthony’s claws, no one ever breathed a negative word about him. Now people question his integrity. For those of us who live near him and have followed him for years, this is so absurd. He is a man of honor. No, not a man–he is a saint!
Always give a saint the benefit of doubt!
Catherine–I’ve been hesitant to bring anything up (for obvious reasons). Please please just know my heart goes out to you, and you are in my prayers.
you can EVEN say…….you were once friends with a murderer!! (lol……you know i’m kidding right???)
OMG It is so quiet now. No doors slamming anymore.
Cat – I know what you mean. It’s so sad, but she is in a much safer place now. That family seems like it was toxic.
Gumshoe was too LMAO
LET ME TELL U ALL. BEING HERE IS LIKE IT IS WHEN ALL MY BABIES ARE TOGETHER. EVEN RV AND DAK. I HAVE A FEW OF THEM 2. AND MY MIND WOULD GO FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. I COULD SIT IN A ROOM FULL OF KIDS AND GRANDKIDS AND SEE ALL THAT WAS HAPPENING. FROM HUGGS N KISSES TO KILLIN EACHOTHER
CIT – what kind of lit do you study??
beans,
Caylee is with Jesus now. Safe and loved
Mama – I know – it really brings out my natural ADD tendencies!
MAMA
That is true. I bet you crack that whip if they get out of hand.
Cat – so if we want to find out if some remains are being tested – what lab would they be doing it at and do we know anybody who knows somebody? Would they have been sent to the body farm too?
HEY CIT. U B BACK. WB
MAMA
What are your children’s names?
cecy…..awwwww….thank you girl for the compliment. Wait till you see mamambear and Cat, if you haven’t already! They are what the young kids today call “HOT”!!!
Cat, sadly….you know it about what Caylee had to see and endure and probably began to feel it was her fault because they argued about her so much…..sad.
CIT…..i’ll bet Casey could give us the scoop on a few sailors! Your information was really informative for someone like me who had no clue what a sextant was??? I had this weird picture in my mind! lol….
mamabear….your sweet, that’s why we love ya!
Beans,
I would think they would be sent to the FBI and maybe an independent lab.
Cat, wouldn’t you just love to hear those jail doors slammin’ tho????? sweet music to the ears! LOL
cecybeans – Officially, for grad classes, my focus has been mainly on British–Medieval, Renaissance, and 19th-c women’s literature. Basically–Chaucer, Shakespeare, Jane Austen, George Elliot. But I also love poets Wordsworth, Shelley, Keats, Emerson, Dickinson, etc.
Right now I teach English and writing courses at a university, so my current studies and research are on my own. Hope to be able to balance both again.
Are you a lit person? I remember the Lady Macbeth ref. you made.
MAMA & beans,
email me at decoranddetails@att.net and I will sent you a photo.
shoot. i don’t have any lab tech connections. I have a polygrapher friend who does a lot of work for FDLE maybe he has heard some dirt. I’ll have to get ahold of him.
CAT. MY GIRLS NEVER ONCE SAID, “I’LL TELL UR DADDY”. THEY SAID, “I’LL TELL UR GRANDMAMA”. EVEN DAUGHTER IN LAW TELLS MY SON. DO U WANT ME TO TELL UR MOM. THEY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I AM THE BAD GUY. BUT I DON’T CARE. THEY SAY, “PLEASE DON’T TELL GRANDMAMA.” OR, “PLEASE DON’T TELL MOM.” WHEN MY SON WAS ON CHEMO HE GOT REALLY SICK AND WENT OUT ON A TRACTOR ALL DAY. DAUGHTER WAS STAYING WITH HIM AND SHE WENT TO HIM THAT NIGHT CUZ HE GOT SO SICK-WAS ON POTTY. HE GRABBED HER AROUND HER KNEES AND CRIED AND SAID, “PLEASE DON’T TELL MOM”. THEY HUNG 8 BAGS OF CRAP ON HE IV AT HOSPITAL BECAUSE SHE CALLED ME AND WE TOOK HIM IN
Sorry, didn’t mean to leave anyone out if anybody else wants a photo please email me.
Cat, so you and gumshoe should get together and write a book about it! LOL. Guess it would be a short book with alot of doors opening and slamming huh? Your too funny.
Gotta go girls……got so involved forgot to take the meds! lol…….hugs to you all.
Thanks cat for putting up with our persistant questions!
Gumshoe was the one who told me to join her facebook page.
Sweet Dreams
CHSAHeart – lol — I know, it’s true. Even when you know what it means, sextant is still just a funny sounding word that conjures up images that, well … you know … lol
NITE
HUGGS
MAMA.
You raised a good boy MAMA.
CIT – my majors were in Ancient Greek/Latin and ancient history but I had enough credits to do a classical lit one. My best friend has her phd in Shakespeare so i always wanted to start with the source of his stories by learning the ancient ones. My other BFF got hers in Victorian lit but I’m not as good at keeping up.
I did some grad work in classical languages but never got my thesis together (working single mom is hard) but did teach for awhile. I am an avid reader with very eclectic tastes. Wow – send me an email – it’s: cecysharp7@att.net I’ll love your advice on what to read.
Think I’m going to say Good Night Too Sweet Dreams, Everyone
LOL
CAT I WILL DO THE EMAIL THANGY TOMORROW AND TELL U KIDS NAMES. WE HAVE EYS LURKING AND I DON’T LIKE TO GIVE INFO TO PUBLIC.
FOR ALL OF U
MY EMAIL ADDY IS:
longsloft@embarqmail.com
Mama – you have such a heart and such a wonderful story. God has surely given you special gifts to deal with what you’ve gone through.
Huggs!
Night Cat and Mama – thanks for making our day!
please email me so i can get ya’ll’s addys that way. it’s hard for me to keep up
gosh e1 be leaving. nite all
(((((huggs)))))
Well CIT I don’t see anyone else on here but us – I’m gonna hit the hay myself. It was nice talking with you and I look forward to getting acquainted!
WELL, POOT I AINT GONNA SIT HERE AND READ AN EMPTY SCREEN SO GUESS I AM RIGHT BEHIND U.
NITE
cecy – For my undergrad, I ended up with degrees in both history and lit. Love history, especially ancients. Intriguing idea about Shake’s tales. We have some things in common. I’ll email you, for sure!
The email I use to post online is concern4caylee@gmail.com. I just need to remember to check it!
Better call it a night. I’ll see all you caring, compassionate souls tomorrow!
Dear Heavenly Father we pray that you watch over the missing children of the world. Specially Cole, who was abducted at Gun point from his home. We ask you to comfort his family and guide the Law Enforcement as they search for him. Comfort him and keep him from being scared. We also come to you and ask that you watch over all the family and friends Of Caylee, all the Law enforcement working on her case, for the searchers that are trying to locate Caylee. Help give us hope so we can continue to be positive and focused on bringing Caylee home. We pray that you help bring our Beautiful Caylee Marie Anthony home so she can be buried with the dignity,respect, and honor that befits our beautiful girl. All these things we pray in Jesus Name. AMEN
Night everyone! Big hugs! Mama I always think you’ve left and there you are! Makes me smile! I hope you have better dreams tonight. Caylee is safe and in a good place. That’s what counts.
thanks for the prayer C4C – you are kind to close us out with such compassion and grace
AMEN
THANKS C4C. LU
NITE ALL
BEANS I ALWAY HAVE BEEN THE LAST TO BED. MAKE SURE ALL MY BABIES WERE ASLEEP AND SAFE
mama – I’m thirsty!
hehe hehe
OK, ok, I’ll git it myself and git back in bed now.
Night night!
(thanks c4c, as always)
Many thanks Simon, just read all the comments & agree. Living in Western Australia I am not privvy to all the American Media releases but do try to keep up as best I can. Here follows my “gut” reactions…
1. When I first heard about this my initial
thought was that Casey had SOLD Caylee for
either DRUGS or money to pay for a DRUG
LOAN!
2. Next I wondered if Caylee was being held to
RANSOM???
{although as despicable as 1. & 2. are at least Caylee might still be alive today!}
3. I watched whilst Jose Baez told us that when
we learned the truth we would have
“COMPASSION” for Casey…WAITING…WAITING
to hear this!!!!
4. I was DISGUSTED when the truth came out that
Casey STOLE from EVERYONE that she came in
contact with {including her parents} I drew
my own conclusions that she certainly didn’t
need to steal for “Nappies” but for DRUGS!!
5. It is time that we are told HOW she made her
income since 2006? {Govt records please!}
DID SHE RECEIVE BENEFITS????
6. IMO she prostituted herself for drugs..put
Caylee in the boot of her car..chloroformed
her OFTEN…sadly she gave this beautiful
little girl an overdose & she DIED!
7. To all the Zenaida Gonzales whom this LYING
Casey is trying to implicate…get good
LAWYERS…I hope you will succeed!
8. CINDY…you are a disgraceful granny! Need I
say more?
9. GEORGE…I think you are torn between the
Devil {your daughter} & the Deep Blue Sea
{CAYLEE} & the prospect of making Book/Movie
Deals..just like your wife CINDY!!!!
10.CASEY..I wonder what you did during the many
hours that you spent with Jose Baez????????
11.CASEY..you really should have told the truth
{probably for the first time in your life!}
The phrase “OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE”
is probably not known by you…time that
you learnt it!
12.Although I castigate America for not
Prosecuting DREW PETERSON {perfect Wife #5
would be Casey Anthony.}..I am very pleased
that you are going to prosecute CASEY… who
in my mind IS GUILTY!!! {until proven
innocent of course!!!}
beans,
You got mail, sweetie
RIGHT ON JILL
GOTTA GO FIND YA’LL
G’ Morning –
Anyone home?
hello anybody up?
Did everyone move to another blog? Just wondering…
I am.. anything new?
Kris,
You got mail at the new one.
hi everyone
Dear Heavenly Father We come to you tonight. Overwhelmed, confused and very weary. We ask that you give us each the strength to stay the course for Justice for Caylee. Give us the wisdom to temper judgement with facts, Give us the patience to see this through to the end. We want you to watch over all the missing children in the world, Calm them when they are afraid, help guide searchers to bring them home, and those who come to be with you hold them close and let them know that there are many, many many people here who will always love them. Help each of us to carry on the fight whether we are family, friends, Law enforcement, searchers,Friends who have come to know these special missing angels by their faces and their stories. We pray tonight for little Cole and for beautiful Caylee. We pray that you help us bring our beautiful Caylee Marie Anthony home so she can be laid to rest with the grace dignity and honor she deserves. We pray these things in Jesus Name. AMEN>
One of the horrible things w/ this amongst so many more, is that the g father admitted a few days ago he was willing to take his own life over all of this!
Casey, u selfish B agh I know u don’t even care so I won’t waste the time!! Good luck w/ ur selfishness, u make me so freakin sick!!!!!!!!!
GOD KNOWS WHAT U DID TO UR CHILD, b!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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