That might explain what Casey does with her 6 hrs a day/5 days a week in his office…maybe the reason the links don’t work is because Baez has her working on his web site for him

Jan Barrett

Hello all, did some research (one of my hidden talents) into his old web site from Jan 07. his main law was DUI/DWI some quotes from his original web site:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.baezlawfirm.com/

“He has defended hundreds of clients accused of crimes ranging from minor infractions to serious felonies.”

“As a Orlando Florida criminal attorney Mr. Baez has helped numerous defendants win their cases, which is why people chose Jose A. Baez when they need a Florida DUI lawyer or help with other criminal charges.”

“While Mr. Baez’s primary office is in Orlando, he defends clients throughout the state. As a Florida DUI lawyer, Mr. Baez has frequently defended persons accused of operating under the influence of alcohol and drugs.”

(he has also changed his phone number) ??
(407) 926-4111

“Mr. Baez’s office is staffed with skilled and talented professionals blah…blah..blah. The office is accessible twenty four hours per day, seven days per week.”

Like Jan said above on his current web site there are no active links leading anywhere, and on his old site - same thing, no active links - do think their might have been some type of video. Last update was Dec 07 - so the links were never there before the Momster Case!!

Also he was somehow associated with Wolfe & Stec, Ltd. Illinois criminal defense lawyers but this has been removed from the new site?? I wonder why?

Oct 07 was when his site was updated to new version….

Funny stuff What a load of Poop!

Another Great article, Thanks, Simon!

its great knowing that monster has a great lawyer!with his track record it will be all the way to jail for miss anthony.

Thanks Simon, for the glimpse into the life and times of Jose’ Baez.

I don’t think this case is going to spruce up his resume’ with the glitz and glamor he thought it would offer.

But I do think he will try to recoup by trading his professional losses for monetary gain from a book or movie.

But with that ‘Armadilla Lobotomy Modus Operandi’, he may need to add Elvis to the book or movie to insure sales.

** Armadilla lobotomy. A much better description (and many-faceted) than my Cockroach image.

btw: I looked up Pyrrhic victory. (thanks–learned a new word) it means “a victory won with staggering losses”.
Maybe in Baez’s case, it will mean, “well, at least I got to spend those 6 hours a day with her even if she didn’t get my website finished”

Simon,

Yes. We already know the meaning of all Baez’s choice words. His vocabulary is far too small for a Word-Of-The-Day series. It would only be 3 days long.

Oops, Simon. You may want to delete my post above too.

Just taking a break from a major project (trench digging), Had to take a moment out for a burial/memorial…Our neighbor came over to tell us one of our kitty cats got hit by a car. Sad day today for all of us….
Anyways, anthing new in here today?

I’m sorry about your kitty, Kris. We lost a 3yo hamster this week that had traveled to 14 states and Canada with us. He was so unlike any other pet we ever had.

They just went to the pet store and brought back a beautiful baby rabbit, sweet and tame.

I don’t know if there will be any real news on the case today. Just playing the waiting game until Tuesday.

I would like to find another little calico/white kitten to replace her in the future…she was almost 13 years old though. She was our oldest, very timid and not the one I would ever think would cross the road.

Gee..I wonder where that IP address is from above? Anyone want to venture a guess guys? I think I know.

Here you all are!! Gosh we’ve been worried about you. A bunch of us are using the previous article # 118115 entitled “Suspected Tot Killer Casey Anthony For the Big Pay Back etc.”

Can you join us? More of that blog has been used and we can come back to this one later when we need more space. Or whatever will get us all together!

Catherine’s over there, Kris.

Ocean Shores Reader - Good heavens! The American public is lucky to have even a drop of unbiased, objective and/or accurate reporting from professional news organizations in any medium - TV, radio, news paper/magazine or news Web site!

It’s kinda strange to expect that kind of “reporting” on a blog! Blogs are for opinions and points of view. I think you should go in search of what you seek elsewhere and I truly wish you the best of luck because I don’t think it’s out there. Not these days.

And of course you are welcome to comment here no matter what your opinion is! It’s welcome!

Ocean Shores and Reasonable Voice:
No point in any of us being “objective” since none of us have all the information. And what you call “objective” is really just ignoring some of the facts of the case - not real objectivity.
Some of us are just going with the info and evidence that has been released so far (along with some common sense - like 2 + 2 = 4 ) so at this point we’re not inclined to think that emotionless mom who never did report her child missing is entirely innocent. And we are very frustrated by her behavior and lack of cooperation and that the child has not been found. This is a real mystery. So here we can vent! One of the main purposes of a blog!

All of us will jump and cry for joy if that child is found alive!!! We pray for that every night. That’s really the point. But if she isn’t alive we really want the truth about what happened to her - something her mother has not been forthcoming about - and we want justice for her.

But like many our hopes have diminished over time. We think it’s likely her mother is responsible. We are not the real jury. We’re entitled to think and say what we want right now in this forum. So are you. But if you are unhappy - which I doubt since I think you are both getting a real kick out of standing on your soap boxes - then go to another forum or blog where more will agree with you. But that probably wouldn’t be near as fun, would it?

Just my opinion (obviously)but Casey can’t go too long without ’some lovin’…seems like she spends alot of time with her lawyer…I’m sure they’re not talking about her daughter all this time since it’s obvious she doesn’t ‘really care’…probably her & Baez will hook up if she gets off (no pun intended)

I would be interested in knowing what all she bought during her spending spree. We are only shown one clip of her at Target…she went more than once. She must have also purchased something at JC Pennys. I’m guessing clothing or home supplies such as bedspread, curtains, cookware, etc. That super sized toilet paper package she got at Target was a dead give-away!

It also makes me curious why Tony L. tried to “get a rise” out of her when stating he may not be able to return to Fla. and would have to stay in NY and get a job so he could afford the trip back…

Hey Bri,
How was that movie?

sorry bout that went back to see if all were coming here and that page takes forever to load argh

mytwocents according to your 7:47 pm you seem to have your panties in a wad…why is that? Ocean merely stated the truth:

You have forgotten what life in this country is all about…did you ever understand what our judicial system means when it professes “innocent until proven guilty.”

Is that really sooooooooooo bad?

We would love to find Caylee…priority 1, calm the family…#2…try Casey…#3

The truth has to surface for that to be achieved.

bbl

kris, PRESENT ! lol

Although if pammyliz talks about those brownies one more time…. I’m gonna get my keyboard all wet salivating….! lol.

i can imagine G breaking down on the stand, “shakes head” poor G will be berated by C & LV…if any at all it will G to tell the truth to the best of his ability, C will be there and i can see G looking at her the entire time to see her reaction

kris ! BROWNIES, BROWNIES, BROWNIES !

I hate you….lol

Spaghetti, Spaghetti, Spaghetti! Lol!

hardy har har ! kris…so there ! LMAO ! to bad i already had a spagheti fix…la di da di da ! LOL !

Uh oh…we’re off topic again…but one more thing..I can’t bake them no more here..due to the kitchen police I live with. He says a $1.50 box of brownies will cost about 5 dollars in propane to bake…What an @ss&ole!

Kris, I think you right. I think M and L know alot more than they have said and maybe are protecting each other?

Does anyone else feel that C & G didn’t have anything to do with Caylee’s demise, other than covering up or obstructing justice? Just curious.

I think people are frustrated because there is not much new to talk about so they pick fights with people. G will be safe because no one will be gj room to know what he does or doesn’t say. Divorce I bet they will… The strongest relationships struggle after a tradgey and this is not the strongest family relationship or ordinary tradgey either .

brb…going to get icecream (doesn’t require an oven).

Kris (LOL), bet he eats them though huh? (brownies).

you never did say what your lab experience is, just curious? Your comments in the area of forensics is interesting from a lab point of view!

lol… yah alittle tension going on in here… I don’t have a comment, other than not everyone joining our blog is going to be pro get casey… thats the interesting thing about humans is we all agree to disagree.. I don’t fault ANYONE for coming in with a different opnion than mine. I would never force my opinion on anyone or get mad if we don’t agree… i feel theres enough overwhelming evidence in this case no doubt but, I also am open to anyone disputing any of it.. cause its looking pretty bad for mom casey…sometimes i even think the country has over thought this case, I guess because of the oddness of her behaviour, and by over thinking we’re overlooking the sad fact that this goes on all the time …all the time…here in detroit again mother said baby taken from gas station, last i heard now theyare earching the father out, search warrant… so another one getting rid of their toddler.. I cannot understand this mentality of dispoing of toddlers or babies.. I worship the ground my child walks on without mine my life would cease to exsist… i realize not all mothers are overbearing like I am …lol like i am with mine.. maybe its cause i am an older mama… but to dispose of these little ones. well, its not even explainable to me under any circumstances and so its not that i care about M’s sex and social life and all the reports the things i would think if i were juror is how do you not know where she is and if she is with a nanny, how come you cant provide anything???? ok, that was a long blog… hope this doesn’t post twice!!!!

So sorry: ConcernedforCaylee- The first post I wrote to help you with the Jeneeifer Kesse information was from a news report saying she had disappeared nearly three years ago. Since you had not seen that I wrote it again saying 3 years ago. Sorry I was off a few months. And you’re welcome for the information.

Sabrina, went and left mamabear a message to follow here. I think her feelings got hurt so if anyone has her email address, can you email her to join us?

i know everyone exchanged my space pages noone asked to join ours? lol.. but my girl is on mine its all about her if anyone wants to go invite us its under hbojoyce@yahoo.com

thats how you can invite us

pammyliz….good blog comment. Couldn’t have said it better.

MTC

now now thats what I am talking about..

I still wonder about monster searching those missing child sites and wonder if she came accross those two children kidnapped and murdered by Ward Weaver…he buried them under a concrete slab in his back yard. Same as his father who was currently doing time did as well to another woman years before…same name too…Ward Weaver.

kris

that is weird indeed, this whole case is weird, its even weirder than a good fiction novel , ( i used to life to read them)…

i don’t know if she got my post or will join us or not, i tried to appeal to her a couple of times and got no answer

pammyliz - you have to read earlier posts to understand. See Ocean Shores Reader at 2:43 and ReasonableVoice response at 6:24 and 9:27.

Both were attacking/insulting Simon and the rest of us. I think I was pretty well-mannered in my response. However I don’t think I’ll be responding to them anymore. No point since I’m not objective or telling the truth, right?

Here’s my thing…..I am interested in hearing anyone’s view or opinion on this case, that’s why we are here. Not to mention why Simon and Jan to try write and keep us informed. I’m not opposed to those who “stray” with comments in between that are not related to this case. I too do that as well. It only frustrates me when it goes on and on for hours. It is nothing personal towards ANYONE in here, it’s just considerate to communicate lengthy personal issue’s thru email or IM. I have met a very wonderful person thru this blog and we have exchanged emails and we continue to communicate about personal issues thru our email and keep our issues about this case to this blog. That’s just considerate and so as not to bore others. So, I know at times it has offended others by my comment of getting back on the subject. If any of you knew me, you would know that it was not to irritate or make anyone mad. I’m probably one of the kindest, easiest going people you know and will talk b.s. to anyone either in email, myspace or facebook. So to those of you who I’ve made feel bad (or mad), I apologize. I just want to keep the blog on this case going and get as much info as I can. I personally hate it when someone feels they have to leave just because some of us want to talk about what Simon and Jan have written. Anyway…..back to the subject.

Yep sure is I wonder if there is any reality in anything we know. I just searched the Orlando County records site. and guess what there are listings for a Eric James Baker and Eric Lee Baker. but neither as the right birthdate to be the one supposedly mentioned in reference to Caylee’s dad. What if M’s whole life is just one big research project and none of it is real. Remember what Padilla said about her living in a different reality then the rest of us.

cfc, remember M’s OWN mom saying “she tells half truths”……maybe the Eric Baker thing has a “half truth”. Still confuses me how one can tell a “half truth”…LOL.

Caylee HAs I totally agree with you.

Someone asked why Tony would say/tease M about having to stay in NY to earn money before he came back. Interesting question because I wonder what their relationship was really like.

Obviously M was not allowed to stay at his apartment when he went to NY. She had to move in with Amy. That’s not a “living together/romantic” kind of relationship.

Also Amy said that M and Ricardo argued a lot when M was his live-in girlfriend. Sometimes seriously and sometimes not but he wasn’t really into his relationship with her either.

I wonder if she tried to go far too fast with these guys - to get a permanent relationship and ended up sort of putting them off?

Caylee has stolen America’s heart - I think Cindy’s comment on “half-truths” is very close to what others have said about M mixing a nugget of truth into all her lies. Wonder how many gold stars M got for the part of whatever she said that was true?

true she seems to have an obsesive personality. what ever she is interested in gets 110% of her until she finds something new

I thought it was somewhere around 45 grand I read that she stole. I don’t remember if any of it was recovered though…probably not because if the mom involved the police to help recover they do not help unless she files a complaint and they can charge monster for it. C covered for her and animosity brewed because of it.

mtc, (that’s funny! gold stars… lol). They don’t give gold stars in prison…..wonder what she is gonna do THEN? LOL.

Also, i think the “boys” got tired of M living their and it was probably causing hard feelings amongst the guys that lived there. I think maybe Tony took a little vaca too get away from M……cause he didn’t know how to get rid of her???? But….I think he liked having a “housekeeper and cook!”.

gal friends, i’m out of here…i’ll be back tomorrow if not i’ll be here for sure monday…hugs and kisses bye bye

For some reason $70,000 sticks in my head but I could be wrong. I thought the $45,000.00 was what M charged on C’s credit cards and that is why C ended up filing bankruptcy? So many stories to keep straight, how the hell does M keep even one thing she has said straight?????? LOL. guess she really hasn’t…..just the “nanny” story.

I bet the numbers are exagerated. IF C had that much in 401k and gave it back to her mom couldn’t she have borrowed that for m’s bail it was only 50,000 after all.

Bye Sabrina.

I just think she was so fixated on getting out of her parents home and felt harnessed to them because of Caylee. The desire to leave was so strong in her that she set her sights to any guy she could get her grubby little mitts on and became his “perfect” stepford wive. She was determined to leave no matter what and was trying to impress Tony into believing she would be everything he would ever want in a girlfriend or wife. Caylee was just in the way of that.

cfc, I don’t know. I think you can only borrow from 401k’s for certain emergencies. Not sure “bail” money is one of them. And you can only borrow a certain % of what you have in there. Atleast that’s the way it used to be. And i’m not sure C was willing to ‘gamble’ the 401k on M?????? Just a thought.

concernedforcaylee - I must not be writing very clearly. I wasn’t blaming Cindy. I said it was ironic and pathetic that the money C took out of M’s wallet - and naturally considered her own - was actually Amy’s money.

I’m going to bed and will try again tomorrow.

Night all.

Kris….BINGO. No arguments here on your blog. I think we probably ALL believe that was the scenario, including LE.

You didn’t say anything wrong I was just offering a perspective.

I did have a question that was bugging me.. why? would M sign her own name on those checks at the store? if she knows she is signing her name and even if cashier didnt check she has to know as anyone would know wirting bad checks is unlawful.. so i guess I’m wondering why was she doing this? instead of signing amys name to them? or is it because she would have to show ID (normally) and then had to make it look real…I had this brief momnent when i thought maybe when she says on the inetrrogation i will lie steal to do whatever for my daughter she was trying to cash checks for needing money for searching etc… blackmail etc.. no, thats not it either lol cause she wasnt just going to a bank and writing for cash only no merchadise for herself, so again that bows my theory of was there something shes doing all this for? we widnt know about? nope don’t think so…

kris, i loved mystery and suspense novels from childhood, read nancy drw cover to cover over and over, avid reader.. thats why this case reminds me of one you would pick up to purhcase on the back cover telling this crazy story… sounds just like a book

could have been habit forgot she was using her friends account. or maybe she planned it that way so she could say she didnt realize she had the wrong checkbook she thought it was hers

yes they are online. kinda hard to read though

at least I saw the one that had Ca on it

pammy…I think she may have forgotten then had to commit to signing the rest of the name when she realized the whoops!

There was one time that my partner here was too lazy to go down to the store himself so he wanted this, that, and the other thing…and when leaving there he said bring back one of there cooked pizzas…He gave me his credit card with his own permission I have never done this before in my life so I was concerned, and told me to sign his name..(which is a name for a male or female)..so when I got to the store I have never done this before but what happens I forget to sign his name! But fortunately throught the years my signature has turned into a doctors script and noone was the wiser. So I think monster just had something similar happen there.

MMT!!!!!!! I’VE MISSED YOU!!!!! THANK GOD YOU CAME BACK!!! I WAS WORRIED ABOUT YOU!

which got my mind reeling again on was she doing this all in a sense of knowing she could get caught, and if so , why??? theres one for you to debate !!!… i just would think anyone today would not goto a well kown store like target and have the guts to write just not a bad check (overdraw).. no an illegal forgery right there, where the cashier could have called a manager over, if she had looked… maybe then we would see her run out??? I dont know weird, just plainweird to me

MNT your back, where have you been??????

yes about the auto deduct… and i agree she had to be knowing she was destined to be caught and like you said went on a madness spree or crime spree… cause noone would take those risks ( law abiding)… thats why i think she takes the cake on daring and galling…and i know what you mean we all at ties have written a check we bounced or overdrew or try to beat it to the bank…lol but to forge and stand there buying merchandise is beyond me…but in those tapes she says to him ” i will lie steal do whatever i can to find my daughter: but then how does buying lingerie fit that? not like going into a bank and getting cash

Caylee has stolen…

I follow these blogs without really making comments because I find all of the opinions and theorys interesting, I agree about staying on point with the subject of the blog, I simply read through all of this (which is very time consuming) to learn what others are thinking. The blog also helps me realize that I’m not the only person obsessed with this case.
Anyway, Thanks to everyone for posting on these blogs I read daily and it helps hearing the opinion of others.
Let’s hope and pray they find Caylee next week when the search resumes.

yah i guess my mind can’t operate in a criminal way.. lol… happens at my job all the time with employees who do things, get canned my boss tells me what happened and I’m like how did you think you could get away with this?? LOL like using the company gas card to put gas in their own car, and I’m like why would anyone do this? I am too honest I guess. i used one of them , backed into our SECOND company car, damaged the rear end, told on myself and it cost me $500.00 out of my paychecks!!!!!!!!! took me forever to pay that off…

welcome to the blog… we are all obsessed. each day i say NO I am not getting on there, I am cleaning my house and catching up on stuff, and soon as my girl goes down I’m right back on, cause the case bugs me all day long…lol obsessed….

Pammyliz……..it just goes to show that there are still good honest people out there and that’s GOOD NEWS. Just when it seems the world is going to sh** in a handbasket, people like you come along! I’ll bet you have a better conscience (sp??) because of it. That’s where M differs, there is NO conscience, therefore no guilt….no remorse…..etc. and the cycle begins………surely the Ant’s had to see the “signs”??????????

obsessed is WHY we are all here! We wanna know HOW, WHAT, WHEN AND WHY to such a darling little child (Caylee). And we wanna know NOW and we want JUSTICE now!!! Course we all know it’s a matter of following the judicial system.

but $500.00 poorer…lol
and alittle peeved at the company for not paying it all ( they claimed i signed a paper stating employees were responsible)… I didnt look for the old paper, just paid it… and stay out of them as much as ic an and use my own car… I jsut claim my mileage back..

anyways , I don’t think we can say its anthonys… the girl was how old? 22??? i mean at what point can we say its their fault age 50? I don’t buy that necessarily… blame parents… we are all free will

guys you are forgeting one thing by the time she walked in and wrote thos checks she had already killed Caylee and so far gotten away with it. she was untouchable to her own mind.

yes I am obssessed for sure… i was in petersons case too

kris

your man sounds so much like my own was.. I’m sorry for you… my girls father who passed away, was a hateful man, much as it nearly killed me , his death, but he did things that I now realize were done out of sickness. (mentally).. I have read some of your other posts…

but yah she didnt seem nervous.. I was never able to shoplift as a kid, lol my sister and friend did, and i was like beat red in the face guilty looking as all hell if i tried anything LOL

Yeah..you’re right CHSAH..but now that things went downhill in our relationship I will never trust him after that comment…do someone a favor and that is the kindness in return. What a comment, with a smirk even. Jerk!

Pammyliz, I don’t necessarily blame them but her actions, but I do think they enabled her to continue since it seems to have gone on for a long time (stealing money from their credit cards etc.). At some point, they needed to report her to the police and let her pay for her actions. When they finally found the gas cans, they didn’t call LE back to let them know the report on the stolen gas cans was solved. I will bet you if they had found a neighbor with them, they would have called and reported it on them? G being LE in the past, I think he would have called and said….”oh, just wanted to let you know we found the gas cans we reported stolen a few weeks ago.” I would, but maybe I’m just weird! LOL>

maybe he was embarrassed to say hey guys sorry my kids broke in and stole my gas cans.

Oh rest assured pammy I will take everyones advice and leave if I get fixed through the next surgery…you need your health to escape, not leave…escape.

Kris, see your normal. You got burned and you learned…….M never learned and therefore thought she was invincible. Anyway…..I’m proud of you for standing your ground!

I think maybe she planned to skip town…answer to noone about it all. Caylee , Amy’s account…maybe she has that money stashed in another bank account that she stole from her grandparents.

kris

mine was an “escape” too.. took me being homeless, and hard roads i wou;dn’t wish on anyone.. to get to where i am now, when he died that took me down hard, so hard. I never wnated that, I only wanted us to split, I knew it was no good, would get no better, and the true reason was my girl. I left for her, Inever wanted her to see the weak pathetic creatue i became with him i wanted her to know her mommy as strong and so she would stanf up for herself. I am a changed woman today, heartbroken to pieces but when i see her i KNOW i did the right thing… you will too when its time… i tear up as i write to you this. but remember when god created you, he created you to be “free”… in mind spirit. to flourish, not to be owned, controlled, stopped, forbidden…

ok sorry to all i am back on case now, but felt the need to say that to kris cause i often read her blogs and it pains me to read them

cfc, I would guess your probably right about G being embarrassed. I guess that’s what I mean by ’seeing’ the signs and looking the other way. Maybe they were embarrassed, but it wasn’t helping M???? Not arguing with you, just been there and I STILL turned my son in and he never repeated a crime after that. but….he had a conscience (can somebody tell me if I’m spelling that word right????) It was embarrassing, but I still felt it was the right thing to do.

Pammyliz @ 11:13, (tears)sad but…..proud of you today for holding on for your daughter……..wish M had felt that way about Caylee!!!!

cfc (rolf…) your comment about telling Amy in her sleep! lol…..maybe that’s why she was waking up with sweats, did’t know how she was going to tell Amy….(yeah right huh????)

CHSAH

thanks, and yes thats why i don’t understand M but she wasn’t really a mom the way I know a mom to be , and I guess thats unfair too for me to say, we don’t know her really, we don;t know her mothering, (they said she was a good mother)
but just by hearing things. its not things you think a mother would do… boggles the mind..

MNT

Bravo! I LOVE nancy grace personally.. followed her a long time…

I had never heard of her embellishing her fiances murder… but missed some things over some years, because of my own personal dramas.. i think shes a fine person, emotional, adored by many hated by some.. is an adoring mama. to her unexpected miracles..youc an justsee the passion in her speaking when she touches on things that get toher, than right back to prosecutor mode… so i will always defend her as well…

hi everyone anything new today?

MMT…..WELL SAID (about NG)! I didn’t even know half that stuff! We all have our little quirks that someone doesn’t like about us, what makes NG any different huh? You comments always facinate me because you do your homework! Even if she does annoy me when she cuts off certain guests (lol)….I don’t care when she cuts off the defense attorney’s comments (LOL)…..I do care about Tim Miller and other’s. I think NG does it b/c she has so much to cover and has limited amount of time to do it in. Kind of like we do here sometimes…..cut the bull and get to the chase…LOL. Thanks for the comment, I for one appreciated it.

maybe she is just a little add and when a thought pops into her head she cant wait to say it. I know ido that sometimes and don’t mean to.

Concerened..you are right..we all do it. Just happened to me the other night..noone is exempt to that feeling..we are all human.

i knew there was something brewing big in this case kind of felt in my heart,caylee will have justice

brb…little one is crying.

i am back. i was waiting for all to come over here two hours ago and signed off then.

i agree totally she did remind me of a sister not mother to caylee…annoyed by her, not doting on her, as most moms are…i mean look at little caylee??? How can one not adore her, and I didn’t even know her… looked like C was proud of her in the videos…i saw that.. there was love there…we can’t base now how she is (c) on then M is the one who created C’s new wrecked world…

does anybody have faith that tim is going to find caylee this time,he seemed pretty positive he can find her?

hellooooo anybody out there lol

Rick Plesea, Cindy’s brother, if it really was him, said that M stole 25 grand using credit cards, from Cindy but the stealing from M’s grandpa only involved a check of $357.00 to grandpa that M falsified so she could cash it.

No way could C & G repay 70 grand back. They were even behind on their mortgage payments, I read, prior to Caylee reported missing.

funny thing he is being so degrading about a part of the judical system he works for today nad if he’s lucky tomorrow. Seems like he is insulting his own proffession guys like that aren’t like by us everyday folks and he is alienation his own kind too. Not bright at all

MMT… Don’t talk of M&M’s..very rarely do I get a sweet tooth because I am a saltaholic (ex. Pretzels)..but tonight I am craving your M&M’s and pammy’s brownies..lol.

i read somewhere that the chloroform and searches for chloroform is some big evidence in this case and will get her convicted of murder i think i saw it on a article from wftv

pammyliz, take care of yourself. I just got over having a bad cold. We did have a gorgeous day today though,didn’t we?

anybody taking bets on m being arrested Tuesday

I think it will happen this week..not sure if how quickly the papers can be drawn up if the grand jury says…bring her in.

hi CJ!

flowerchild,yes I think Tim will find Caylee soon.

i could use a ding dong myself right about now, i don’t mean the sex ding dong imean the chocolate with the creamy middle

Therapist, you’re back! I’ve missed you and was so worried about you! Thanks for sticking up for NG…I love her to death. I don’t recall her ever embellishing her fiancee’s murder either but I just think she’s the salt of the earth!

Hi CJ
Hi Flower…Haven’t talked to you ladies in awhile either but then I haven’t been here much lately either….

you can bet the cops will be waiting outside room where they deliberate just waiting for the order. I believe that TIm will find her maybe next week depending on weather .

Even if it was an accidental death from an overdose of too much chloroform..it still would be viewed as murder because she knew the chances that it could kill the baby. Also if she used any other drugs on her over any length of time that will show up too. But this could possibly be why she did not call anyone if she gave her too much, what could she honestly say to anyone…” Um, I drugged my kid with that there bottle, and I can’t revive her”…so maybe that could be how it went down, but either way to cover it up or not say anything regardless of the flurry of calls on her cell phone records…it still is plain out murder.

hi chsah and mandi

hey hows the loaves?

Maybe the doctor gave Caylee to C first because she was standing next to M who was in bed and doctor could not get to M. I just fail to see why that is such a big issue anyway.

hi mandi and mmt doing great how are u guys?

thanks MMT,

cac - i am wondering too how the gj stuff will go down come Tuesday, but doesnt M HAVE to be
there Tuesday.
M HAS to show up with the bb Tuesday right guys??

that monster can really shake it!!!

so if they indict her for murder at the grand jury she goes straight to jail,right

And the only way this is like the juices case is the fact that there murderers and well shes prolly rich off movie deals now…

I for one do think they will charge her with murder one on Tuesday (after the GJ convenes). And then they issue a warrant and LE gets to go re arrest her (again) (not sure they will let Baez turn her in this time since it’s murder???) and then she will get no bail (because it’s murder). Is that the way it works?????

again I have heard different answers on that one is that one and the other is forged checks.

m and baez won’t be at that grand jury it is a private hearing with procesution and what ever witnesses they called that is why baez said it was one sided, because he is not allowed at it

HI BUMPS long time no see how u been?

She doesnt like goin in front of the judges she has gotten out of it more than once..I heard she has nightmares alot..

yes that is how it should work. it should be early enough she might even be at bb office. I could be wrong but that is how it works in Tx.

oops mispell prosecution my bad

not since everyone knows about it including the media. They will go right away. I bet reporters are waiting to see the reaction as states attorneys leave. are going to want to be the first to announce it.

Are the hurricanes gone now???

the only thing we may not hear right away is spcific charge and if they are seeking the death penalty

bump WHERE on EARTH have YOU been??

yeah i know bumps she kind of rolls that ass alittle to much,i know most women have a sway,but OMG hers is alittle to much exaggerated and people can tell that by watching, i’m to sexy for jeans uh huh

HI Therapist! So glad you’re back!

I’ve been following NG since she started on CourtTV but I’ve never witnessed witnessed her embellishing anything…she’s not the type to host her own pity party at all! She goes straight to the heart of the matter and stays there until it is resolved. She is a tireless soul when it comes to solving crimes, especially ones against children. Which is my pet peeve, crimes against children and the elderly.

goodnight to all you fellow bloggers. Glad to see some familiar names that I haven’t seen for awhile! Welcome back! I tried to send this goodnight once and it didn’t work so I will try again. Everyone’s opinion on this case is just amazing (and everyone has respectfully disagreed tonight)…..we ARE GETTING BETTER! lol.

Going..CHSAH…goodnight.

nite caylee has stolen America”s heart, hey do u have a short name to go by that is alot to type LOL

Snookers, I understand what you are saying but it was my understanding she contacted the bank and gave them Grandma’s personal (perhaps impersonated her on the phone or?) info that only someone in the family would know. I heard that in the very beginning of the case, can’t remember where though…had to be either NG or maybe Greta….just don’t remember now.

ok never mind saw the abbreviations, duh how dyslexia can i be

who all is still here?

were you awake or asleep.

I’m half asleep but still here too…Aching from all the work today outside.

who you talking to concernedforcaylee,if me i am still awake but barely,just got off work at 10:00

okay so flower and mandi we’re still on, its only 10:30 here but for you its later? i am getting tired though, too much apple pie tonight lol

Are you TX. too C4C? If so, that makes you, me, Concerned in TX., and I’m waiting on Flower to see if she is from TX. too….

Flower, R U there?

Everyone is talking sweets..God I’m getting hungry again..and I’m not a sugar type person.

i am WA state

still confused about after the gj convenes,
guess i was of the thought they would want m there to arrest her on the spot, someplace there at the court.. to arrest her immediately with no looking for her..???

yes I am from tx too.

Know right where you’re at Flower…Is it so small there’s one red light and they are repossesing it? LOL….

Just jokin….what is it now about pop 8,000?

I’m sure Baez is assigned to babysit her because I doubt he will be there…not allowed.

CJ…Monster won’t be there so LE will have to arrest her wherever she is at the time they get the warrant together…

her story like i didn’t know the chloroform would kill her i just wanted her to go to sleep the little snothead,ooh it was a accident i’m innocent,the devil made me do it,who knows what is going to come out her mouth next,the little sleazeball

Well, maybe she got away with a small amount but no 70 grand, or even close to that.
Wonder where she was transferring to if she did use phone.

She will be with bb and everyone may not be there just because they are on a list doesn’t mean they will all testify. and then there is the order in which they testify. they will know where m is she has to be at her house unless it is during the time she is with her attorny. and I bet that is what they will be shooting for. then he could take her to police first and take away the satisfaction of watching her get arrested

Sorry, about these long blogs, but I’m making up for lost time. (lol)

Caylee has stolen America’s heart said,”snookers, I don’t think cfc was bringing the issue up about c holding caylee first as being a big issue but it is a point of interest. As almost always……it’s the mom the doc gives the baby too first (unless mom is having some kind of medical problems). It was just interesting.”
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I often thought about that as well and there are several things that crossed my mind.

1. With Casey not wanting the baby in the first place and not telling anyone about her pregnancy for the first seven months… maybe she was indifferent to the baby at the time of delivery.

2. With Cindy being a nurse, maybe she knew the doctor and nurse who were in the delivery room and pushed her way in to holding the baby.

3. After the spoiled princess went through all that pain, I can’t even imagine the “spiteful b**ch” looking at precious Caylee much less wanting to hold her.

3. I have a feeling that people are making excuses for monster by saying that her mom holding the baby first made her resentful. Monster is just an evil, hateful person period. Monster was resentful, regardless of what people did. She hates the world and people are simply in it for her to use and abuse. Does that make any sense to anyone else other than me?

I bet they will have cops waiting in a squad car right near there…give the word and in they go. I think they will not allow BB the satisfaction after his little temper tantrum the last time…they would love to get his goat again.

mandi what part of tex u from?

LOL….too funny Flower….now you know what they say if the goats back up to the fence…LOL…an aggie joke

I’m a little worried people that she might try & run Tues. while everyone is preoccupied at the Grand jury….Mexico is only a 21 hour drive from Florida…she can be extradited yes, they not until the death penalty is taken off the table (if that’s what state seeks even) but that’s the only way Mexico will return her…but that’s all she cares about is avoiding the death penalty I’m sure…Nothing else bothers her I don’t think.

I agree with you Monday. Maybe M was flirting with the doc for all we know….lol that was mean I am sorta sorry

Austin…Hook ‘em horns! (they won big time today)

MMT agree with you re the holding of babette..

Kris where are you from again? did you get yourself some sweets yet lol

Mandi..I don’t think she would even make it as far as the border if it’s a 21 hour drive. She would have to become a stow away in someonelses vehicle and hope they don’t search the trunk. She would never make it that far this case is too widely known and the border would be alerted immediately.

austin great town, hook em yeah!!!!

concernedforcaylee said,”Maybe M was flirting with the doc for all we know….lol that was mean I am sorta sorry.”

Don’t be sorry, I’m sure that was not far from the truth.

L also said something to the police about her resenting that

New York

Cj….You win the prize!…Double the taxes for one year…equivelant to where I live! LOL!

do you ever hear how his wife and kids are doing with all that

what do i think is up with Lee and NOT wanting to do the dna???

humm well just MAYBE he’s the DADDY!

there will be no bail for capitol murder charge. and she will be rearrested. Wonder if she memorized her miranda rights since she has heard them so often

Thanks Snooker!

It looks like we all agree that monster is spiteful killer!

CJ…I think L is just obstinate, period…just his personality….no one is going to tell him what to do.

Mandi…obstinance is also a trait know in sociopaths…maybe they have two apples that didn’t fall far from the tree.

I will go out on a limb and say I dont believe L is the dad and I don’t believe G is the dad. I think he might have been convinced maybe by bb and m that they cops are trying to frame them by using there samples against them. the more they can get the ants to be on bb and m side the better for them because family has alot of ammo they could launch if the knew Caylee was dead and that m did it.

i think all the apples fell out of the trees on their heads all rotten the whole bunch

yeah obstinate both L and M huh?

let her run then padilla can go get her,bet he can find her

He just killed me Cj…because he made all those speeches after busting up a few gentlemans clubs/agencies a few years before all this. On our local tv they aired him poo pooing there choice of jobs and saying all this crap. Many here felt it was an inside job where he did that out of freebies/or loyalty to the agency he frequented. Sort of like knock out the competition for them and get some services.

For sure Kris….

I also don’t believe L or G is the Dad..that’s far fetched in my opinion…G I believe is the only one with any morals whatsoever but the rest of them are off the charts. And maybe L is involved in a cover-up or perhaps he hid the body….but But G is defintely monsters Dad, they look just alike, IMO.

wonder if his wife is worrying about the same thing. she may hang around all day Tuesday just to keep an eye on him

Concerned..on your post above where you mentioned not thinking either was the father of Caylee…Do you remember the genetic link on the hair sample found in the trunk? I felt there was something to that…to gene pools make up that hair, but only monsters was found, unless the fathers was similar that was their thoughts on it at the time. I still feel it could be true..don’t know for sure but could be. That would explain a whole lot.

isn’t he doing this pro bono anyway means he his not getting payed anyway from this client

Kris, I hear ya about the jerk in NY, what a scam! theres been quite a few politican scams havent there, like old i didnt stick my hands down in the bathroom to signal sex, right next door to us over in idaho, lol

Speaking of Idaho they DO have the firing squad available for the death penalty, wonder how M would feel about that option? or here in our state we also have hanging!

IMO, there’s some BIG money deal(s) lurking out there…how else could Baez bring in a 3rd lawyer and Dr. Kobilinksy, spokesperson, etc….they surely aren’t all doing this pro-bono…no way.

Who knows..maybe BB is as corrupted by the money as the others. Maybe if her thought they would say yes to the leaving the house he had it all mapped out to sign a deal immediately with a production company..have the money wire transferred to an account, take the money and run with his own client. Just don’t know about that whole situation with him insisting on her getting out.

I’m not sure I ever heard specifically on that flower. one rumor is that he sold the vidoe movies to abc for money to pay for her defense. but they wont come out and say that.

so baez brought in another lawyer huh,wasn’t it said that if casey told baez she actually killed caylee he would have to step down and bring in another lawyer,because of ethical reasons?

There is still only one thing that bothers me. Even though I know in my heart for certain Caylee is gone, I still question the black band on the hair sample. Only because of what I went through. I mean lets say for sake of speculation that she was drugging her for a long time that could cause decomposition in the hair, it did in mine when mine started falling out and the black band was present. Am I dead? Not yet …lol. But either way I know Caylee is gone..and they can’t use that as any sort of defence because then they would have to bring up how the black band could appear…and that would incriminate monster for drugging her for great lengths of time.

but if one of those guys are the dead it gives all of them motive to destroy Caylee and give m an emotional distrubance defense

The new lawyer was in court yesterday to argue the motions concerning DNA evidence, etc….has nothing to do with whether she did it or not….A lot of attorneys know whether their client “did it” just some prefer not to know but that doesn’t mean they have to recuse themself, only if they are aware of the commission of an “ongoing” crime.

thanks mandi for clearing that up for me

U welcome Flower…

i am still thinking of bb and m running off to mexico lol
naw dont think so, didnt relaize its only a 21 hour drive though, wowee, from Fl to Mx.

as for the pro-bono or whatever, there MUST be SOME money coming from SOMEPLACE I will bet..

I just hope they have a whole lot more evidence than we the people know about….that’s what I hope. Because no matter what, her defense will always be “somebody else did it”….so the state needs to be able to prove not only that little Caylee is dead, but that the monster killed her. Even if GJ hands down an indictment, that doesn’t necessarily mean the state has enought to prove it “beyond a reasonable doubt”….but of course we sure hope so…

What i would like to know is without a job..how in the hell did she pay a cell phone bill with over 500 calls a month? Or was that number just text mesages and another amount for the actual phone calls? That can be quite pricey.

well be nice talking with everyone,but MR.SANDMAN has dumped a bunch of sand in my eyes telling me to get off this damn computer and go to sleep,got the blogging fever,so i will see u guys and girls tommorrow morning,GOODNITE all have a pleasant night,morning whereever you are

My guess at the moment is, Baez is working on a motive to try & say Jessie Grund did it…that’s why he’s so interested in the polygraphs - machines, examiner, etc. etc….Oh and the investigations into every Zenaida that police have interviewed…wants to make sure he doesn’t pick one they’ve already cleared.

well friends i must log off for tonight, but WILL be back come the AM!

MMT, I agree…I never said he would assist and would never , ever accompany her…but he might turn a blind eye to the back door….you know C would do everything in her power to protect the monster and if that means doing something to make sure she doesn’t get the DP, then I truly believe she would arrange it anyway she could.

I saying it it was dying over a period of months Hair in her brush from when the brushed it that morning before she left

Bye CJ, Bye Flower, Bye MMT…I’m turning in myself…this is hard work! Nite Kris….

so am i all that is left then good nite all

every one eslse going to bed

have a good nights sleep I am sure we will run into each other again

Amen.

RV - Although addressed to me your comments above harshly criticize 99% of the people on this blog including Simon and Jan, the authors of the articles. Your and Ocean Shores’ earlier posts also harshly criticized us and my 10:01 pm post was simply in response to your own statement that you are one of the only two on this blog to be objective and in search of the truth.

1) RV at 6:24 pm
“Ocean Shores reader…there are only two on here that try to be objective…decide if you’d like to stay.”

2) RV to mytwocents at 9:27 pm
“. . .Ocean merely stated the truth:
You have forgotten what life in this country is all about…did you ever understand what our judicial system means when it professes “innocent until proven guilty.”
Is that really sooooooooooo bad?. . .
The truth has to surface for that to be achieved.”

and 3) Ocean Shores Reader’s comment at 2:43 Pm that kicked it all off:

“Your blogger news does a good job at merciless judging; publishing hatred and fear; and portraying the negative of the alledged suspect(s). Yes, you do sound well-read, logical, and grammatically adequate. However, you leave no room in your publication for the possibility that there may be a different outcome to this case. I know in my heart that there may be thousands of others who pray for the truth to come out in this case; and for Casey to find this truth and to help resolve the unknowns about Caylee’s disappearance. We need a more fair balance in your postings, and for you to help us understand (and forgive), before we so intensely judge. You have certainly convicted Casey, before the time has come for a trial to take place. You have forgotten what life in this country is all about…did you ever understand what our judicial system means when it professes “innocent until proven guilty.”

4) And then there’s your most recent condemnation above at 8:14 am.

my2c - you snuck your post in before mine…was addressed to RV…

For some one who thinks we should be able to hava a fair and balanced converstion and be able to think differently… You sure aren’t letting us do the same. WE get you don’t agree so quit repeating yourself. We have good conversation and throw around alot of different ideas in here. QUit making this about 2 righteous bloggers and the rest gossipers.

mornin minnie

rv I also agree there are two sides to every story but you show me where M has told her story ( she hasn’t lied) even by her own admissions to police they were lies. Her attorney on national t.v. says it is not in Ms. Anthoy’s best interest to tell what she knows about Caylee. Why should she give them what they need to put her in jail for the rest of her life? Sound like they want to tell the true story? not to me.

good morning all. I think this will be a big week as well. AS long as they can get out and search we have a fairly good chance to bringing Caylee home this week. GJ on Tuesday should be a big developemnt as well.

I hope that we start to get more information after grand jury so there will less speculation and more facts to consider. There are so many gaps in things that tryingto put the puzzle together is hard.

c4c - Will we know of evidence presented on Tuesday that we haven’t hear about yet: re: the gaps - or will we have to wait till trial and just hear whether or not they have enough evidence?

Cfc…She doesn’t have to spill the beans so to speak once under the guidance of legal counsel…everyone (should) know that.

It also seems as though she didn’t single out the police to tell them her lies…that’s her standard modus operandus (S?) so to speak.

Anyone who believes the Anthonys can search for Caylee by themselves are just as loony as Casey… especially with all the tips they have reportedly been receiving. If they were to leave the home, the protesters would surely break in and administer their own justice to Casey. They’ve already demonstrated what type of neighborhood they’d prefer to live in by their actions within the Ant’s neighborhood. They’ve already laid down the foundation of how they’d like to be treated when accused of a crime.And, they’ve already called the police liars by their actions!

Good morning all… day off, and going to clean my house!!

I read the last blogs. I’m gonna give my opnion is all.. i have been on here since day 1… I do not feel jan and simon would care who comes on to blog and anyone giving a different side to this story would be welcome. I think most of the bloggers in here 99 % do feel shes guilty, so I think anyone coming in now may feel why bother to blog their other opinion because it is so one sided,(most of us, but not all) however i don’t think any of us would care if someone wants to come in and dispute facts and evidence in this case ( maybe a few) lol

I say let everyone have their own side to this story, WHO CARES!!!! thats what makes america a free country!!!RV has a different spin, although tries to debate with us, and others too. getting angry at that person only shows what RV is saying to begin with, and you all know I am pretty convinced of her guilt, but read every blog, and still find myself hoping that i am wrong, because in this case, there is always a slim hope the girl is alive and if she is that would mean we were or are all wrong…so I guess I just feel bad when i read of attacking, (I detest attacking), verbal abuse, bullying, or as rv stated gang warfare..the oeans person also felt strongly as well, and I don’t think they should be attacked for a view or opinion.. if this upsets my fellow bloggers than I guess it does. I like many on here feel there is overwhelming evidence, but in my own opinion sometimes not beyond a reasonable doubt… not yet anyways.. I am glad I am not going to be a juror. I think in time in the trial more will come out, and I hate to see this blog going crazy because there will be a different story from defense and we cannot run everyone out of the chat room if some believe the opposite side. Last night everyone attacked NG, i love NG i didn’t g to each person and get angry I stated how i felt about her and moved on, we should all move on if ablog upsets us and not attack that person…

I meant threats…lol!

if anyone takes a vote to remove RV or anyone else who merely has a different side of things, than I am leaving myself. I believe in fairness for all… I got upset about kimcon only because they were antagonistic and the copying and pasting my comments was rude and they really were not commenting one way or the other about their view only provoking… I feel people who are inappropriate should be removed, or extremely hostile…

ok my blogs were long, back to the case. I do feel this week is gonna be alot coming out.. we can all sit and wait to see what happens. no I would not want to be a juror. althoughI find myself 99% sure of her guilt as you have stated I have not heard their side yet. I cannot imagine anything for defense… yet.. but since they havent spoken yet and she hasn’t then it will be inetersting to see what they or he has to say… the bashing his looks, his prior conviction rates, his weight couldn’t care less. I am only interested in hearing his defense for her… and he says theres more compelling stuff we don’t know about, so I am waiting to hear that…

pammy - I agree and I guess RV slid in under the wire cause mean and nasty to new comer “beast” a few days ago was unprovoked and uncalled for - RV is not innocent of being inappropriate and provoking…that’s all I have to say…hope we can all get back to CAYLEE now..

I agree pammy…I am anxious to hear the other side of the story as well.

baez stated long ago theres compelling facts you don’t know yet, so i will be waiting to hear those…remember defense has not disputed one word of media reports, nothing why? becaue the trial hasnt begun yet and he said he isn’t trying this in the media… so it is gonna be a very interetsing trial

pammy - grand jury is 24 people i think…this assembly gathers for up to 6 months to hear the state present what they have on murder cases only ( from what I have read here and heard on NG)

Their only job is to decide if state has enough evidence to go to trial. There is no statute of limitations on murder so if they say NOT enough evidence, then the DA can go back to investigations and return to GJ again and again…I DO think state has enough evidence and there will be an indictment

so if the 24 don’t think theres enough then what? and you say gathers for 6 months, so these people are already ready? or just assembled? its confusing

Pammy yes I have learned to skim past…kimcon was just a player and did not contribute much unless he had someone that latched onto him..I for one…for a bit but i just didn’t need him pestering me too..

What is gj?

Grand Jury was created to meet in secet to protect the accused from unfair prosecution. In a perfect system LE takes what they have to secret GJ who play the role of deciding if evidence is enough for a trial and sometimes what charge should be pursed. Murder manslaughter that kind of thing. THen if gj doesn’t think there is a case the suspect never gets arrrested and put though the media stuff.

yes gj is grand jury. NOw days gj hears only more serious charges as ng explained usually meaning in FLorida that they are possibly wanting capital murder charge. but who knows for sure????

c4c - what do you mean if there is not enough evidence the suspect never gets arrested? you mean at that time right?

right if the evidence is insufficent then there is no arrrest. LE can then go back and build a stronger case. I was only explaining the process of gj. Any case can be represented to grand jury.

If G or anyone else refuses to answer the questions asked they can be held in contemp of court. SO its not like they can go in there and just not testify. And I think state could use their statements to “refresh” there memories if needed. I really do think They will tell the truth without being forced. Maybe they wont volunteer information freely…but I believe they will be honest.

everyone wondered why C was at BB office on Thursday I think he was preparing her to testify….before anyone gets confused I don’t me telling her what to say. Just preparing her for how it will go and teaching proper way to answer questions. Smart attorney will make sure you understand to keep your answers brief and direct.

If c goes in there trying to explain everything she said away (like 911 tape) Jurors will see that she is trying to protect her daughter and not believe that part.

why would C be getting advise from monster lawyer…I thought c already had the count to advise her?

so does that mean anyone who will be called on M’s charge get’s a free meeting with bozo

or in C’s case is the missing children fund paying for her visit as well as the count’s

can I ask if anyone knows why c and g’s lawyer is being paid by missing and exploited childrens’s fund(maybe it’s a rumour) but I have heard they are broke so….

Correcting error in my previous posts. I apologize.

***Grand Jury consists of 16-23 jurors***

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Grand Jury Proceedings

As in federal court, you will not be able to attend grand jury proceedings. These are proceedings in which the prosecutor presents evidence before a group of jurors who will determine if there is a sufficient basis to bring criminal charges against a person. Grand jury proceedings are held in secret and are not considered to be a part of the criminal trial process. See Fla. Stat. 905.24.

And in Florida, a trial judge threatened a news organization with criminal penalties if it published information from grand jury transcripts in the case of Justin Barber, who is accused of killing his wife. First Coast News, a Gannett television network of ABC and NBC affiliates, obtained the transcripts from the state prosecutor’s office, which had released them voluntarily as public records. As of late October, a Florida appeals court had yet to rule on a motion to quash the prior restraint order.

Florida has some of the strongest open-government laws in the country.

caylee~angel - I think it’s still a mystery as to who is paying for Count Dracula as well as who “anonymous” is who bailed out M. Also still a mystery where the money is coming from for Baez to hire the PR Firm and private investigators. We just don’t know for sure.
Don’t even know who if anyone got paid by 20/20 for the videos/photos for that show.

caylee~angel - Actually I take that back. There is a missing children’s foundation - with a branch in Orlando - that paid for Count Dracula but it’s not the Missing and Exploited Children’s Fund. It’s another one. I’ll have to try to find the name.

c4c - one thing we do know for sure is M didn’t have a job for over 2 years and certainly is not paying a cent for any of this…that’s a crime in itself..and I say that because of HER dishonesty and failing to protect her child…that is a FACT…not because the POOR don’t have the right to some kind of councel if they can’t afford it…hell I would be one of them if i ever needed council..

I am stumped as to why C & G met with BB last week. There isn’t a trial yet for them to be his witnesses for (unless he can say they will testify in the neglect trial–but if it’s that, why meet with them now about it?)

He doesn’t represent C & G.

Is it common practice to meet with parents (or family) of a grown legal aged person? If so, what would any reasons be?

so will M have to testify???

If it’s true that C met with BB and M to prepare for the GJ I think that is really inappropriate and just begs for the interpretation of “collusion.” C has her own attorney, Mark Nejame, who was hired for the express purpose of protecting and helping C & G. If C needed advice on GJ proceedings or testimony then Nejame was the person to see not BB. Sorry but it just screams collusion -
meaning M and C getting their stories straight.

Of course another interpretation might be that C wants to ask M’s attorney exactly how much trouble her daughter is in - but I think she already knows that.

right, c~angel—so what did they need to meet with him for? They certainly should not be privy to any info on the case–that’s attorney/client privilege. And as witnesses in the case–whether for defense or the state–he shouldn’t be discussing anything about the case with them.
(and I am still talking about the neglect case, as there hasn’t been a charge for anything else)

Gumshoe - I’ll bet Mark Nejame is tearing his hair out over the meeting between C & G and BB with M present. Nejame’s job was to improve their image (as victims) and protect them from possible criminal liability for statements they’ve made or maybe even things they’ve done.
This meeting flies in the face of all that.

No matter what really happened behind those closed doors if Nejame wasn’t present then it really does not reflect well on C & G.

gum - Yes I would think that C having private meeting with b and m would be some kind of conflict of interest since I am sure c is gonna be called by the state in any hearing…although…c and m have had plenty of time to get their story straight at home…ahhh…maybe not…c said they don’t talk about the case at home…prob. don’t cause they prob. fear it’s bugged where bb’s office wouldn’t be. they can get all their lies in a row at bb’s office..well if it’s not lawful then I am sure someone will take care of it..

you can put perfume on a pig but it’s still a pig…

Gumshoe - I agree with you. Only added that last line in an attempt to give benefit of the doubt and be “fair and objective” (LOL!)

m2cents…lol

maybe NeJame started that foundation himself–or maybe the Ant’s did.

Actually, 2c, somehow through your sarcasm you did manage to be ‘fair and objective.’

And, although lying and thieving do not a murderer make,
it was C herself her called to have her daughter arrested
for other incidences and who told one of m’s friends she would
lock m away to get to the truth about Caylee…

2Cents,

yes we must wear our “fair and objective” hats.

And yes, I can’t imagine having to represent C in any way. She wearies me to death. It took me all day long one day to watch the video of her with LE. I kept having to get up and clear my head. I don’t know how anyone can reason with her.

That’s why I think she will have a hard time testifying. She just says any old thing that pops in her head at the moment. You have to nail her to a seat and make her tell you what you want to know.

seems c is somewhere between lying, covering and the truth..not so sure she knows which fence to sit on

Gumshoe: Remember the video of C being interviewed by the police? August 1 I think. The cop was facing her, holding her hands, and trying to hard but gently to get her to tell the truth and recognize how she has NOT been helping and she couldn’t even look at him. Didn’t work.

in ALL truthfulness, as regards c, those 911 tapes speak volumes…

well either way the 911 tapes are SIGNIFICANT!

cj, I don’t know how she will be able to go back and explain away those 911 tapes. Her explanations to the public from her yard have been quite lame. The prosecutor won’t allow her to use all those scenarios.

BBL everybody–have to reboot my pc.

If Caylee body is found does the org. with missing child stop paying for the Ants defense lawyer?

Maybe thats and other reason why they don’t want to seach for a Dead Caylee.

Too many purks…I guess

I would assume so since she wouldn’t be “missing’ anymore…god willing

Talk to you layter…
Family day…

Good morning! Hopefully it will be a great week of answers. I too found the tape of Casey being questioned exhausting. Her lies are terrible, but her ability to NOT give a straight answer was amazing. Cindy when asked about the cc statements did the same thing. She looked him in the eye and said she didn’t give them because there was nothing of significance on them. Obviously she was lying to his face, and all he could do is protest, because in his head she was supposed to be helping; in reality she wasn’t. Those guys are all going into group therapy after this. And why even bother with the really bad lies on camera. Why not “We’re here to support and daughter and find Caylee.” ad nauseum.

RV… today, you gave me some food for thought when you said:

“Ocean merely stated the truth: You have forgotten what life in this country is all about…did you ever understand what our judicial system means when it professes “innocent until proven guilty.” Is that really sooooooooooo bad? The truth has to surface for that to be achieved.”

I always believe that it’s wonderful for a person to stand up for what they believe. So, if it is truly a fact that you believe in your statement that even outside a court of law, “A person is innocent until proven guilty” Then why are you accusing the protesters of being guilty of what YOU believe to be unfair? They should be able to defend themselves and present their side of the story before you stamp GUILTY, as you have, on their actions according to YOUR beliefs.

If you believe that “A person is innocent until proven guilty” even outside a court of law, then why are you accusing bloggers of being “guilty” of not searching for the truth and making hasty judgments? Aren’t the bloggers entitled to be found “innocent until PROVEN guilty?” You are stamping GUILTY on their actions according to your beliefs.

I realize that what I’m about to say is a silly question, but let me ask it anyway. If the saying “innocent until proven guilty” is an absolute reality… then why was Jeffrey Dahmer and people like him, locked up in jail once he was captured and arrested? Why wasn’t he free to roam the streets, presumed innocent until found guilty? (According to what you are saying, it doesn’t matter if LE has evidence of their guilt.) I realize that’s WAY out there… but I want you to understand that you are holding people accountable for their thoughts and not finding them innocent until PROVEN guilty.

What is happening here has nothing to do with the judicial system. It’s people expressing their thoughts in the court of public opinion. I believe that being able to express one’s feelings is a healthy outlet.

I hope that I have also given you some food for thought.

GOOD MORNING YAH’LL!!! :p Therapist i have been good..busy but good…

If the ants met with bb it might have been more to explain procedure and maybe he wanted to influence how they would testify. I don’t believe that he is looking for the truth, I believe e is looking for an aquital. I still believe C is depesperately holding onto the idea that Caylee is alive somewhere. I also believe the minute there is a body positively identified as Caylee we will see her vengenance on M. I also believe that m and bb know how and what to say to her to make her doubt what the evidence is trying to tell her. I don’t believe she was trying to get the cops to admit to being on the bad team because they weren’t looking for a live Caylee. I believe she is looking for some one to give her hope that Caylee is not gone. SHe is going to follow whatever voice tells her what she desperately needs to believe until LE removes all doubt

Oh yah wait is BB Baez cus for real ConcernedforCaylee he is goin to try to uhh you kno what the word “polish” them before the court hearing..and of course your right again whatever evidence they have against Monster hes going to say what ever he can to get them to doubt it…

yes bb is Baez. and I do believe he will want to minimize damage give at gj

c4c - yes c is looking for hope but wants to also not have anything, including Tim, to do with anyone who is looking for a body….

i HATE her she walks like a hooker i hate seeing her walk around for the camera in and out of wherever her tetherd life gets to go..she just shakes her ass like shes somethin big in the world!! I cant wait to see her convicted and sent to prison she hates jail..she would try so hard to get out if she didnt..i cant wait till shes rotting away. in prison…then the whole country can forget about her…i hate her..ughh you see the vids of her shoppin spree??? oh not a care in the world..nope no kids, no family nothin botherin that bitch!!

someone asked earlier about if the GJ has seen and heard all the things the public do and if they have ANY info on the case before hearing…are the GJ sequestered ?

MMT…I am happy to have provoked thoughts though…thank you for the compliment!

Sorrry, I missed the Dahmer comment… answer: the difference is Dahmer was a serial killer whose victims bodies were found. Casey isn’t a serial killer (and no body found yet) though most love to imagine her in that light. If she is guilty of any deaths it is that of her own child…this doesn’t make one a serial killer.

Inasmuch as the world would love to have a female serial killer…it’s rather rare.

{applause applause} to MMT for a terrific post. I like your style! And appreciate your logic. Very good points made.

A big ole Texas HOWDY to ya, too. I’ve missed you! I read your post to me on the last blog site-thanks! When you get a chance, email me at concern4caylee@gmail.com. I don’t want to lose contact with you.

Any other friends here want to contact me via email, please feel free to do so. “friends are good!”

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Regarding the accusations against well-intentioned bloggers on this site:

There is a tremendous difference between making assumptions about a case and following logical steps to a possible conclusion. THIS is a big issue overlooked by those who accuse others of presuming guilt for Casey.

Grouping all of us as “one mind” is another problem.

I would be interested in discussing possibilities with those who disagree with me. So far, most of the time when I ask questions to those who disagree, they leave the blog or ignore my posts.

generally the gj is not sequestered because they serve on a panel for 3 months or longer depending on where you live. But they are only allowed to consider what is presented to them. I believe that they will seperate out media hype from what is presented and do an outstanding job. What is kept secret is the names of the jurors so no one can hound them about their decision.

howdy concerned in Texas… am from Texas myself. I agree with your point about logical conclusions. I also think that debating with people who see things from a different perspective can be good. Gives us another point of reference to come from. I for one spoke out heavily against the notion the L was bio dad of Caylee. At the time the only reason people thought that is because he is related to M and must be crazy and because the name Lee appears in her name. Not many agreed with me and I didn’t agree with them. However the debate continued on over several days, and after L not giving the dna sample I gave new thoughts to what everyone was saying. We disagreed and worked for all It is the snotty attacks that can be tough. I believe in our judical system and believe innocent until proven guilty. But I am entitled to form opinions based on what evidence we see and all we are doing here is looking at evidence we know about and comparing ideas. I do feel insulted when someone suggests I am operating outside the system in our country unlike bb I think every part of the process has relevance. I am not directing this at any specific person just responding to the texts that have been in here yesterday and earlier today.

Hello pickle…you have been away…you’ve even picked up an accent!

Where ya been?

ConcernedforCaylee i love comin in here agreein to disagreein and talkin with yah’ll its hard to find a good civil forum to press and opinion on…i love it in here…i missed everyone when i was away…yes comparing ideas thats the best way to put it…

The last time anyone saw Caylee for sure was G on the morning of June16, and the incident was reported on July 15th late in the evening. M stayed at boyfriend’s house on the night of June 16 with no Caylee. so that is they date that everyone is working from.

also on June 15, there is live video of Caylee visiting with Great grandpa at nursing home. That would be using a date outside of any of the ants for confirmation

RV,
Do you really not see what you’re doing here? Case in point is your response to MMT bringing up Dahmer. She did NOT bring up Dahmer to insinuate that Casey is a serial killer. She brought him up to show the point that the legal system locks up people “before” they are proven guilty.

She is showing a nuance that exists in our country’s idea of “innocent until proven guilty.” That phrase pertains to a criminal convinction. It does not pertain to all other issues, such as the one she pointed out–our legal system presumed enough about him to not want him on the street while awaiting a fair trial.

Do you get it? You didn’t in your response, which was to TURN her idea into something to do with the public wanting to accuse Casey of being a serial killer. And in doing so, you are making accusations about others’ thoughts and opinions. (hence, judgment)

Her point had nothing to do with whether or not a body was found. Plenty have been locked up prior to trial when a body was not found, including all those convicted of murder without a body. (another red herring)

Your own quote, “though most love to imagine her in that light” is extremely judgmental. Who is most? Me? MMT? others here? Well, you are wrong to make this assumption and to throw the accusation out there. Besides, it has nothing to do with MMT’s point! (it’s a red herring)

Another inflammatory comment you made, “Inasmuch as the world would love to have a female serial killer…it’s rather rare.” What are you basing this on? I refer to “the world would love” — this is an outrageous statement. And what in the heck does it have to do with the discussion that MMT brought up? (you put it in that context)

Who is being logical and who is not?
Who is dodging issues, throwing out red herrings?
Who is being judgmental?

Concerned in Texas…Casey was locked up, bail set, and bail posted.

To circumvent that fact is ….well, I don’t know!

g saw Caylee on June 15, before she went to bed Caylee and m were still asleep on the 16, of June when C went to work.

sorry sean should have paid more attention G is George C is Cindy

Heck no any reasonable person knos shes no serial killer and yes she will be locked up just like Dahmer and the rest of the yah hoos murders just like her… and if they feel that she is a flight risk being out even on home lock down hell yah theyll cuff and stuff her and send her to jail..thats why theres no way shes getting off home lock down..duh any judge is gonna see straight thru that..i hope they do arrest her for being a potential flight risk…

concernforcaylee,
Howdy feller Texan!

Exactly! I agree with your statement, which is worth repeating: “I believe in our judical system and believe innocent until proven guilty. But I am entitled to form opinions based on what evidence we see and all we are doing here is looking at evidence we know about and comparing ideas. I do feel insulted when someone suggests I am operating outside the system in our country …”

Bingo! “Innocent until proven guilty” does not preclude discussion about evidence or opinions formed based on evidence released. To form an opinion is not to suggest that we think Casey doesn’t deserve her day in court.

I think most of us here want Justice for Caylee and want to voice our opinions, in part, on her behalf. Her voice was taken from her.

The protesters think that by continuing to pressure the family they will get M to crack and tell the truth about what really happened. While I think they represent what we all want. I think they are for the most part behaving badly and not really accomplishing the goal either. DOes the end justify the means? No one bad act followed by another bad act is not going to equal a good result and therefore valid either side.

The only way that she is still innocent at all is because of the clouded dillusion that she still lives under…for real..and yah kno our judicial system made that rule “innocent until proven guilty” and due to that we all have to sit and wait thru hearings and court dates to have justice served on someone who obviously is guilty…i kno that the right thing will come of this…regardless of what anyone thinks..our judicial system will work in Caylees favor and the innocence of Monster will be diminished and eliminated…her guilt will be discoverd and justice will be served…its not our fault the rule innocent until proven guilty was established theres nothing wrong with it…just when it comes to someone who is guilty of such a horrible crime we all have to sit and be patient to see the justice!!!!

What happened to Concerned about Caylee…anyone know?

How many believe Baez is considering a plea
bargain for M with the DA.

herself is all she cares about…thats it…and until the right offer comes on the table to save her own waste of skin she wont talk….

RV,
You’re correct in your statement that I am not angry. I’m not in the least bit angry. I am, however, disappointed that you once again dodged the issue (or don’t understand it).

Your response, “Casey was locked up, bail set, and bail posted. / To circumvent that fact is ….well, I don’t know!” is off the point (why is why I think you said “I don’t know” — bc you don’t get what we’re saying).

The point was that the very system that you point out that has as its foundation, “innocent until proven guilty” does not apply this idea universally when dealing with suspects or those charged with crimes. That idea is the hallmark for COURT while in session. Ancilliary issues crop up that show that the legal system does not always operate under this presumption.

Case in point: some criminals, such as Dahmer, are locked up while awaiting trial. (resist, RV, don’t ‘go there!’ — this has nothing to do with bodies or serial killers - stay on track!)

THEREFORE (read as “cause & effect), the legal system does indeed at times operate outside of the presumption of “innocent until proven guilty.”

Does this further explanation help you to see the point you are missing?

–I gotta run errands and am eager to return to see that you understand this key concept.

seems like Padilla is also the one who said that M had made a comment about “being a celebrity” I think if they reach a plea deal it will be the day before the trial and not right away. the minute she pleas her celebrity status is gone and she becomes just another criminal

BumponaPicle - I like the way you think..put it out there…

there was another blogger named Concernedaboutcaylee. They were on I think thursday and a debate ensued. Everyone gets feelings hurt and they made a point to that there are 2 seperate blogger concerned FOR Caylee and Concerned ABOUT Caylee. Point is whether we intend to or not some of these things hurt peoples feelings and makes then not want to share or “Blog” anymore.

cat - I don’t think she stands a chance of beating anything…LE has alot more then we know and what we already know…is convincing and without a doubt…she did it!
If she had a chance of beating the system without a body, my thoughts is that LE would not be requesting a GJ

bump - I do believe she burned the baby’s remains..the crock of shitt about running out of gas all the time cause the gauge is broken was just another lie to cover up her filthy hands

Our society struggles with the death penalty…fair or murder? I think without a body it will be easier to get a sympathetic juror who has doubts. the idea of M being exucuted and then Caylee showing up so how might hold some back from giving death and instead choosing life w/o parole.

RV,
Nevermind. I was being respectful enough to take a lot of time to explain this to you (honestly, time I didn’t have). I genuinely believed that you didn’t see that you were overlooking a key concept.

I see by your response that you know all too well that you are overlooking the concept–who knows why? Maybe it doesn’t support your theories, or maybe there are other reason that I cannot fathom.

To respond with a smart-aleck (sp?) ridiculous comment when I’m focusing on reason and logic is disrespectful, pointless, and a waste of my time.

I’m done with this conversation with you.
(and whoever was concerned that I was angry earlier, please don’t read this as anger. I am not angry at all. Just disappointed and no longer interested in wasting my time bc of reasons stated above).

For the rest of you guys, I’ll see yall later! I’ll be back. And I’m thrilled to see my old friend PICKLES!!!! Hi-dy girl!

In Texas(not sure if Florida is same) You have to have all jurors agree for death penalty it is not just a majority vote of the 12 jurors.

ok those gas cans were full Goerge said thay had like 50$$ worth of gas in em…that he just filled em..SOmeone said in another blog that it would take at least 50$$ worth of gas to burn the body…i think it was R3asonablevoice who said that a long time ago in a diff blog..she dug a hole and burnd her…then filled it with dirt..allright the only remains left of that sweet child is bones…i honestly DO NOT think theyll find Caylees remains at all..just cus of the shovel and those full gas cans…i mean like i said unless theres some slim chance the weather stirred them up..but i do believe shell get charged for Caylees death if the fbi evidence is in fact true…wich i think it is..

CONCERNED IN TEXAS !!!!!! :) im gladdy to see you too!!!! I missed yah’ll!!!!

Ohh gosh Reasonablevoice means no harm!! just stirrin the pot..I use to get soooo flussterd at her/his comments id wanna just glitch but then i really read what he/she was sayin and its all just conversation..tho he use to call us all stupid and say mean things hes toned down Reasonablevoice is harmless just discussing whatever is being discussed…RV look at what your doing here.you booger!!!

RV at 1:13 you say hey we got some good blogs going now… then at 1:36 you come back with a we want to do away with the judge? We are back to square one. you are judging our ideas and positions and suggesting that we dont want to be fair and balanced. We came her to talk about Caylee and the facts, not get caught up in a debate about whether we believe in the system or not. I will not discuss this anyone, but would be happy to entertain your thoughts specifically about evidence or ideas about this case. not about my belief system or how I CHOOSE TO FORM MY OPINIONS.

CfC…alrighty then!

C-angel — thanks. I did try!

pickles — I smile every time I think of you. So glad you’re here and hope to see more of you.

MAMABEAR — where are you?!?

gtg. bbl

Catherine you go girl DONT LEAVE THE BLOG BECAUSE OF DISAGREEMENTS WITH ANYONE NOT REASONABLEVOICE OR EXPOSTER OR ANYONE…i kno that even tho he seems like a butt..but RV is an intelligent person who doesnt want to see anyone leave…YOU are pissen em off royally this round RV!!!

catherine–oops. missed your post. I’m not leaving the blog. Just have some errands to run today. Hope you’re feeling better.

Sorry folks, back to Caylee …

Yah ConcernedforCaylee i think she “tried” to burn her thats for sure…and I think thats whats left of Caylee some bones…buried in a hole…

I think it is m’s last weekend at home too. I wonder if deep down the ants will be as ahppy about that as we are. I think the stress in that house has got to be extremely high.

and in the end..the rains might be the silver lining…

I said that a long time ago that you could never do a crematorium burn outside of a crematorium..that there would be bones remaining after a gasoline burn…Caylee was a small child..

I aint got no diff accent im still an ORegonian..just typing

true and I don’t believe m would have spent alot of time digging a deep grave either so rain could very well disturb it enough to catch attention of searchers. You hear lost of stories of searchers finding bodies after whole winters under snow and stuff so I doubt a little hurricane or two or three would totally wipe out the chances of finding her.

Bump,

Oh, I realize the larger the audience some people have the more superior it makes them feel. The problem is we are onto to their B.S. More, and more of us are choosing to ignore their nonsense.

OH no dont you all start that with me about me having a darn accent on here..I AM BUMPONAPICKLE THE ORIGINAL THIS IS NO BODY ELSE BLOGGIN IN HERE UNDER MY NAME… this is the chicka from the Great Pacific Northwest…aighty no dont try it..i am no imposter..i am however sick with a cold..i likes to type in funny typing

Yeah bump…they’ll even write to you specif ally just to let you know you are being ignored! Lol!

anyone care to take a guess at how long the gj will take on Tuesday and whether Strickland will rule on her getting her freedom to search before gj finishes their part.

i forgot the K in muh name BumponaPickle hahahaaha awww Reasonablevoice you put yourself in these positions of opposition and you love it!!! and i have no accent my typing hands have a accent of there own!!

Ciao

ok i have no accent i just like to sound funny yah kno a real wisenhimer… hell no they aint lettin her outta house comfinement on tuesday there gettin ready to charge her with murder there not letting her out..the grand jury trial is gonna go down with Cindy and Goerges testimony about the gas cans, the smell and stains in the vehicle and the pants Cindy washed…there gonna have to testify about Monsters behavior… all her so called friends are subpeanod there also im sure…

I’m not convinced with the gasoline theory. Disposing of a body with just gasoline isn’t very efficient. There would still be a lot left.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/images/ovens.jpg

to start with, G said he wanted something else out of the trunk, so what happened with that ? M threw the cans at him and then what ?

Hi Bri

hi bumponapickle, long time no see ! where ya been at girl ?

yAH Sean there would be alot left but thats what the evidence leads to…the shovel and gas cans full of gas disappearing and returning empty…i dont think for one minute she took the time to completely destroy Caylees body i dont even think shed wade into gator infested waters to dispose of her..but i do think shed do a half ass burn job on that tiny persons body with some stolen gas from her parents garage and whatever other flammables she could get her hands on then bury the hole she burned her in..she prolly dusted off her hands when she was done and emerged from the woods like the witness stated she saw..but you are right any attempt to burn Caylee would be half ass and incomplete…i dont think she cared at the time…

the theory is that name all 82 witnesses on that list may actually testify. Since 35 of them are lawenforcement it seems like that could be repetitive. I think the decision will come out late on Tuesday. Although I agree the judge doesn’t want to let her off. I think in an attempt to not violate her rights to aid in her own defense he will agree to it with conditions. I think in his mind he might be grateful that it is merely academic since she is headed back to jail…. But what IF?

BP..nods..I agree, and something else that crossed my mind. Evidence from the trunk about DNA could be explained away. If I looked in your car right now I could find DNA from you, blood, and hair. all over. In your trunk, under the hood. Wherever. There is no “proof” that any evidence relating to “death band hair” is caylees.

hi caylee angel, yes i think they got the shovel and tested the dirt on it to compare to the dirt in the trunk

Bump - I believe she totally took as much care she could to get rid of caylee…she put alot of effort in all her lies and her covering and her fake life…before and after…especially after…I think she put more effort and care into covering her asss then she ever did caring for this little baby…she took the time to burn what she could and buried the rest as she prob. was gettin a little at gettin caught…seems she spent about 3 hours in the woods…that’s a long time…she ran out of gas and buried the rest and left..prob. cursing her father for not having a 3rd gas can…blaming him for her not being able to do what she wanted to

thanks concerned, i didn’t know what happened after M threw the cans at G, i knew he wanted something else out of the trunk but didn’t get it…if my child said such words to me she would be wearing her mouth on the other side of her face !

which is why she wsa so pissed at him when he wanted is empty cans back…not to mention she didn’t want him gettin near that trunk

bri - lol

question what was it that M didn’t G to see in the trunk of the car. She gave up gas cans so that was not it. what then?
Question: I agree that circumstantial evidence is weak. But what about the fact that it is overwhelming when pieced together. You might find my hair and blood in my car.but you can also show where I am. M can’t do that with Caylee. What about the dogs hitting on deconp in trunk. Someone other than Caylee?

i gotta go eat, i’ll be back this evening, bye bye for now

I think Caylee was still in the trunk on the day G wanted to get in the trunk of the car. When G almost got there first it scared M into getting rid of the boyd. I think the trunk was her storage until G almost got to it. She realized that if they (c& g) found her car they have the keys to open the trunk… thats when she plotted how to get rid of it.

i think she put Caylee’s body in the wheel well. LE didn’t say where the carpet or stain was found in the car. We are just assuming it was visable in the trunk area.

I don’t think you could leave a body to rot in the car and not get noticed. That smell would be all over, and not just in the trunk. She might have dug it up and moved it. But not left it in there.

I think that M was planning to go to CA without Caylee but telling C that Caylee was with her. She wanted to put as much time as possible between the murder and LE involvement. She was extremely bold with the fraudulent checks. She expected to be in CA when that was discovered. LE is too busy to follow up on such a minor crime in another state.

true and we are only speculating on what the stain was>>>> Blood, chloroform, other bodily fluids? its like there are a bunch of teaser evidence and we just don’t know the rest. From what they were arguing about with respect to testing it made it seem like the sample in the trunk was small a bb was concerned that there would not be enough evidence for him to have tested seperately.

cat - do we know the date of the gas cans with m and g in the garage?

i dont think Monster thought this thru very well…i just dont think she did

June 24th

If she had Caylee all that time in the trunk since the 16th of June, G would have smelled it from many feet away. If she opened the trunk on top of that, he definitely would have smelled it. Either George is lying or there was something else in the car that she didnot want G to see,.

I thought the gas cans were reported on 24 not that he saw her on the 24th. I think Caylee was in her own backyard before she was left in the trunk. But maybe all she had in the trunk that she didn’t want him to see was Caylee’s backpack and stuff proving that she wasn’t with anyone else.

This case just overwhelms me. Half the time I don’t know how to feel. I’m sad for Caylee and that the state of things in our world have sunken to this. I’m indignant at the injustice of it. I’m disgusted at the lowlifes who act up to get on camera under the pretense of protesting. Im a Gma myself and I cannot begin to fathom the depth of pain these grandparents must feel, but I must say I am completely baffled by their actions and inactions.

I pray that Caylee is found soon and properly laid to rest and that justice is served.

Yappers Snookers there was definetly something there she didnt want anyone to see…it just sucks only Monster knos…anyways how have you been Snookers?? no really this is BumponaPickle..i was sooo busy these past weeks..ughh and muh kids go sick…and now im sick…as the world turns

cat - so do you think the death timeline is the last day caylee was seen? If your right on G being near the trunk on the 24th….I would say baby died after last day seen..hidden in the spare tire area…before smell would be detected and then buried…27th

June 25 is the first time she mentioned to Amy about the smell in her car. June 24 is when George got his gas cans back. Maybe she had Caylee in multiple heavy duty garbage bags and on June 25 , a leak developed, bone poked thru or whatever. . It is hard to tell and all speculation of course.

On the point of burning up the body… I found a website that explains cremation. a body stays in the incenerator for 2 1/2 hours at temps between 1600 and 2000 degrees. Then they have to grind pieces of bones that didn’t burn. I doubt a person in the woods, on the ground with just a gas can could do that. isn’t there also so water in the same area that is to be searched like a pond or something.

Bump,

It really does not matter. All your posts today are great anyway, that is what matters to me.

CA,

Yes, I think Caylee was killed on June 16th. M. put her in the backyard. M. then called her mother at 7:09 P:M: and they spoke for a minute or two, but it was really to see if C. noticed anything disturbed in the backyard. C. told M. about the ladder on the pool, and M. said it was probably the neighborhood kids.

several thoughts. one it was 24 g told LE about. two everyone thought maybe Caylee accidentally drown… maybe m staged that for an excuse.

Especially, if she wrapped her body in plastic bags and then in some type of duffle bag.

Catherine,

That what LP said too. She dumped her car on the 26th. Picked up the car again after 0700 am from Amscot, maybe she arrived in another car. Got rid of the body and called Amy that she got rid of the smell(not ofcourse).
Dumped the car again at Amscot and left in another car?.
Looks like she did not get help from anybody.
Wonder if Amscot had any surveillance tape from that day.

hi everyone,cant stay long,yes catherine i think we both had same theory about caylee being concealed somewhere in back ward,does anyone remember what m said she wanted neighbours shovel for?

Yes to get rid of bamboo sprouts

Well, I can say this. Even if you disagree with Ocean…his/her blog had more to do with the original blog than what I am reading now…

even if there was tape most companies record over them after a period of time if there were no incidences reported like burglery or something. Because it is almost 3 weeks from the time the car was ditched until there were questions I doubt that. But it could be evidence that Le is ready to release.

Hay RV i have no idea what Ocean said i was commenting on what you said…about everyone in here do you get off on putting ppl down??? I dont think we come to these blogs to discuss the subject of them i think everyone changes blogs to speed up the postings eliminate the lag..

Bump,

The scratches could have come from the metal clips that are on the bottom of a suitcase or duffle bag. G. would know if there were scratches on the car because he took care of cleaning them.

bamboo sprouts!!! oh god this gets more sureal by the day…little ms greenfingers i dont think…ms light fingers suits more..
please god let tuesday be the day when she is back behind bars and that le have airtight case against her.
huggs to you caylee where ever you are.

Still she had those bags of groceries , that looked like she raided the Ants freezer(again). Was she using Cindy’s Suv? and left the Cindy’s Suv at Amscot? And one of the Ants picked up the car later?
They had to see the pontiac parked there too unless she parked the Suv a hundred feet away or so.

CFC,

Maybe that’s why she wanted to joy ridw with BB, so she could check on Caylee’s grave.

Tim also mentioned they were checking Jay Blanchard Park, and that is one of the areas BB mentioned he wanted to take M. when he submitted that motion to the court.

St. Louis beat the Washington Redskins 17 -19 WOO HOO

snookers,

Did you see M. pick up that case of Bud Light. That girl is strong!

BumponaPicle said, “you kno at the super bowl party everyone is cheerin for the one team then there’s Reasonablevoice cheering for the other team!!!!”

BumponaPickle, in your own unique way, you describe things perfectly!

Okay, I do have a question for the group. It is my understanding that in most states, even though a defendant is entitled to a speedy trial, often a defense attorney will use stall tactics in order to benefit their client’s case. They can delay the case going to trial for well over a year. Can anyone tell me how it works in Florida? Can a state appointed attorney for the victim, such as Caylee, force the issue of a speedy trial on behalf of the victim?

not to my knowledge a victim gets no say in prosecution. Victims get a say in civil courts. in this case bb wants a speedy trial because he knows it is harder o get a conviction for max without a body.

CFC,

George said that M used Cindy’s Suv in late June.
Unless M has an ala Startrek “beam me up thingy”, how did she appear, nice and clean, with frozen groceries on June 27 in the Amscot lot for Tony to pick her up around 11.00 am or so.
Maybe she has a hidden talent like a marathon runner.

MMT,

I agree with CFC. The defense will push for a speedy trial in the hope that the prosecution hasn’t dotted all their t’s and dotted all their i’s.

In this case I think the prosecution is very well prepared or they wouldn’t be taking the case before the GJ.

minnie - GJ will let us know…if they say yes then I think we have her asss! If they say no indictment…I will be totally devestated! Even if they can continue to investigate and go back to GJ…I will still need some heavy sedation if they say NO GO! I feel the state feels they do…they are the experts…I have faith…it will be a done deal for murder on Tuesday

The GJ usually sides with the prosecution, so I think BB can prepare M. for the worse.

lol snookers. That is a creepy image of squirrels.

CFC,

Quite possible she did drive her own car back to her parents house, but why call Jesse and ask him if she could shower at his house on the same day? Maybe she showered at Jesse’s the went to her house for a shopping spree then back to the Amscot. Tony picked her up between 11 A:M: and 1:00 P:M:

CFC,

Donot you think, she would have “the smell ” on her again after going back in the same car.
Also were was she at 07.00 am on the 27th. The manager of Amscot did not report a driver in car.

CA,

This is a capital case. The evidence has got to be powerful. Her own mother’s 911 call says alot, and her father’s testimony about the gas cans and the smell in the car hold a lot of weight. Now throw in the DNA evidence and we have an indictment for murder 1.

cat - I truly believe in all your theory’s and your intelligence and was waiting to hear you say that..with conviction…you rock!

snookers,

I think she asked Jesse to go to the beach the last week end of June, but the shower I thought was around June 27th. Could be wrong need to check on it.

interesting question about avoiding delays but it would seem that the defense could argue their rights were violated because they were not given adequate time to prepare a proper defense.

CA,

It’s just team work in this blog.

catherine@ 3.49,that is what i needed to here,remind me of facts that are already out there,and le taking their time gathering evidence.
caylee-angel,il join ur fanclub!

Unfortunatly there is no living victem to defend the state has to take it into there own hands and prove that Monster is guilty…Now if there was a body for evidence then it would be much easier but at the moment there is not…but like i said the state is Caylees defense team

Monster drove that car around till she could no longer stand the smell or till it became a risk due to the smell…she prolly kept it tucked in the woods until she thought it was safe to discard it at the amscot parking lot…its amazing that she believes these lies will set her free of this crime…

BumponaPickle said “The prosecution will be Caylee’s attorney in other words the state will be Caylees defense”

I’m probably stating my question incorrectly. I just was curious if anything had changed, in recent years, regarding what I once read about FL being the first state where the prosecution, in the name of the victim, will have the same right to a speedy trial as the defendant?

The only way that BB will request a speedy trial is if the evidence that he requeated from the state investigators is damning enough to get her convicted once she sees that evidence is enough to fry her ass she’s gonna start to plea bargain…you kno hey ill tell you where i put her remains if i get just life in prison kinda deal..but until she sees the evidence they have against her she will not crack…she simply doesnt believe they have anything to pin her with….wait till BB gets the evidence report he requested and wait till she sees what they have to go after her with im sure once she realizes they have enough to get her for murder shes gonna start to save herself…plea on bich cus your goin down!!!

awww i see Therapist…huh i dunno…i would imagine they could i mean if they are taking on the role of defense for Caylee alive or not seems like she might have the same rights as a living victem??? good question WHERES GUMSHOE???? sounds like one for her!!

oh i get it…can the state get a speedy trial in Caylees defense..not BB requesting it..aww my bad

Bump,

M. doesn’t need to put on a defense. BB just has to poke holes in the prosecution’s witnesses and dispute the evidence.

It is not in the prosecution’s favor to go for a speedy trial unless their is a body.

No problem bump… the only reason I was asking that question was to see if I could determine how long it would be before this really comes to trial with or without a body.

Hey Sharon,

Nope, MAMABEAR not seen today.

ca,you still here? do u know of time for these proceedings on tuesday?im away head of time here so dont want to miss even if i have to stay up all nite!

timing for Tuesday will depend on how many people actually testify…. if all 82 then it could take a while. Then deliberation. But I think this is the last day for this grand jury so I would think they would go fast. Bt it will not be televised at all. we will only see the results. I.e arrest and what she is charged with

The grand jury will not go in Monsters favor thats why BB doesnt want her there..he obviously knos shes guilty and doesnt want her talking..you notice he has yet to let her talk at all..not that she would but still hes also keeping her from talking cus all she does is lie and screw it up for herself!!!!

As of July 1, 2008 the prosecution is now entitled to a speedy trial on behalf of the victim.

I thought I heard it was 8:00 A:M:

The witnesses can have their attorneys present at the GJ proceedings, but they cannot ask any questions.

thanks c4c,i will be glued to pc,your court system is very different to here but even though i might not understand it i have good faith in it.
bump,i havent been postin here that long so its nice to meet u,you have some interesting thoughts.

CFC,

No objections, that’s correct. The jurors can submit questions to the judge, and the judge gives the questions to the DA.

MMT,

Exactly.

earlier we were talking about the timing of her leaving her car. According to Jesee Grund interview he claimed m called him on 26 because she had run out of gas and was at 50 and goldenrod. Amscot parking lot. He said she called him at 1:25p.m.

he said Tony picked her up from there

cat.is double jeapordy still law in america/florida?

Just throwing this out there. If G. was such a maniac about keeping the cars in perfect running order, and making sure they were spic and span. Why didn’t G. have the gas gauge fixed?

it was the day she abandoned the car. The amscot clerk said it was there at 7:00am on June 27, 2008 which would indicate the car was ditched on June 26,th listening to Tony’s interview to see what he says about those dates.

Double jeopardy will always apply.

caylee-angel,were are you?

cat - just talking about the gauge with hubby earlier…it’s because there WAS nothing wrong with the gauge…excuse for the gas to burn the body…or at least thinking she could

I’m here minnie - just making a Thanksgiving dinner for my gang!…don’t worry I am NEVER far…

What would stop M. from borrowing Tony’s jeep to run over to the Amscot then driving the car to the airport area burying Caylee then back to Amscot. M. then has an alibi that she used Tony’s jeep on the 27th.

m2c,

Borrowing Cindy’s car late june came from George.

When Cindy was questioned about it, she said I don’t know.

Thank you, Snookers. No wonder I was confused!
(LOL!)

Considering how many times M borrowed other peoples’ cars after June 16 I think it’s highly likely that the little body was in there a good while. She may have borrowed her mother’s at the end of June, had use of Tony’s from June 30 for a full week while he was away and then had Amy’s the week or 10 days leading up to July 15th. And that doesn’t count other times she may have borrowed their cars.

Have never seen a pic of Tony’s jeep but many Jeeps have not a trunk. Cannot believe she would have used a car without trunk to drive Caylee’s remains around

I though G said he say m in her mom’s car and tried to follow her and keep up and lost her

Catherine, I’m probably not understanding - you’re thinking that after Tony picked M up that she dropped him at school, went back to Amscot, picked up her car and drove it somewhere to bury the body, then back to Amscot to dump her car and go home in Tony’s?

Sorry if I’m being dense here!

Even if M did not have her mom’s car she sure was able to borrow others’ a lot during that time.

CFC,

That is right and then George said his Ezpass, whatever that is , could nial down the exact date.

mytwocents,

That is exactly what I’m saying. M. was always spinning webs.

minnie - yes it’s thanksgiving Monday tomorrow but we always have our dinner on the Sunday…then still have the holiday tomorrow to just relax..

The reason for dragging G. into the picture on the 24th was to give everyone a reason why her car smelled. She said her father borrowed her car and ran over some squirrels. Then she changed her story to two DEAD squirrels climbed under her hood and died. How two DEAD squirrels could climb anywhere is beyong me. Then she said, that the squirrel was plastered on her car or under the car. Lots of poor squirrels getting blamed for smelling up M’s car.

Interesting, Where was C. at that time? Did G. say the date of this chase?

Snookers,

I was sure G. said the last time he saw M. was whe she gave him the gas cans on the 24th of June.

snookers,

I smell dead squirrels. I think G. doesn’t want any more lies. He is ready for the truth to come out.

caylee-angel,and all happy thanksgiving.

snookers,wonder what george meant by her evasiveness?do you think g and c felt that something was very wrong,where was caylee she wasnt in car with her.

Thanksgiving????? Isn’t that in November?

Yes, Catherine.
The return of gas cans was on the 24th per George. The chase of M by George was apparently later.
Also very few interviews of George have been relased by LE and none of the jail calls.

George, I think is a star witness for LE and possibly truthful.
On the other hand, if george is the daddy(which I donot believe) it would give LE quite some bargaining power if they would keep that quiet. M was not a minor when she became pregnant . She was over 18 based on my calculations.

Wow, never knew that Canada had a Thanksgivings

snook - why wouldn’t we..we have most of the same holidays as the rest of the modern world>>>LOL

Minnie,

I think both George and Cindy loved that little girl dearly. They are going thru hell right now. And will blame themselves a lot if Caylee is found dead, which appears to be very likely..

Caylee Angel,

I thought TG was unique to the USA. Only religious holidays are more common. Do you have bank holiday like GB.

Casey Anthony Grand Jury Meeting Details Leaked
Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:43:40 PM

ORLANDO — Casey Anthony’s defense team and neighbors in her family’s community are outraged that the grand jury will meet, and that information on the meeting was leaked to the media.

Information that 15 to 21 randomly chosen people will decide Tuesday whether Casey Anthony is indicted on homicide charges was leaked earlier in the week.

The Supreme Court states the secrecy to all grand jury proceedings is of the utmost importance to protect grand jury members from outside pressure or intimidation.

“I thought that info was confidential,” said Shelly Soltis, a resident of Lee Vista. “I don’t know how it got leaked or where you would even find the information for the community to be involved in that, to see what’s going on. I was very surprised that press knew all about this jury.”

Florida only holds a grand jury for capital cases, any crime for which the maximum punishment is death.

snookers,thanksgiving is slowly spreading around the world,i work as a chef and only last week my boss asked to have a thanksgiving night in our restaurant,and i live in ireland….

Minnie,

I am originally from The Netherlands and we never had such a thing. And still donot.

oh no gum this is awful,m defense is gona love this and if im right this is soo not good,please someone tell me im wrong?

I think everyone is just trying to make some people think m is being railroaded. all the need is one juror

I may be mistaken on this, but wasn’t it made public about a grand jury in the O.J. case?

i think the secrecy par is the names of the jurors and what is presented

Even if G saw M in C’s car at some point, what difference does it make? We have no idea where she was going or what she was doing. I would really like to know how M talked C into loaning her the car especially since it seems to have happened during the time M was not allowing C to see Caylee. Maybe C was out with a friend or neighbor and M just took the car but again why and does it matter?
If it’s true and if the ezpass shows she went somewhere significant I guess it could be important but even then if C is going to lie or cover up for M she may say she was driving the car. Who knows with her?

interesting thought I am listening to Tony’s interview and just heard something that clicked that I hadn’t before/

thanks gum,c4c,i get abit panicky if something were to go wrong for tuesday.can any of u guys tell me if the other cars m had access to were searched/swapped for evidence cause she sure had access to alot of wheels

yes the also checked Tony’s and Jesse’s

and all the data had been erased? I thought that was weird and L said there was no way of knowing when the comp crashed or had info erased.

the neighbors probably like it no more protests

minnie, I haven’t read/seen/heard anything saying anyone’s car but M’s was searched.

That doesn’t mean they weren’t. I just haven’t heard that, though.

l thought it was strange that the laptop was open and sitting on the table. Interestingly tony claims that when amy and C show up he and his friend are playing video games and M is on her laptop.

mom told her to get her stuff and lets go. she says no I am coming back. did she click something on computer to erase it. with C there she is bound to realize it is d day.

In the first dump of recovery documents, it also showed some interesting fake emails submitted by LV to LE.
Somehow, I could not see M doing that kind of stuff. Too busy partying and bedhopping.

in interview with LE it doesn’t say what he does just that he travels alot with work.

Pickles, we looked for you for days and days and days. We didn’t forget you.

I have to give you a test to see if you are the real pickles.

What are your favorite berries?

snookers re the fake emails on M’s computer. When I saw those I thought maybe she made them up to “prove” to her parents or someone that she had a job - for example, that her mom really did need to babysit Caylee that night because she had to work. That was the only reason I could think of for her to create them. And it’s not hard for me to believe that she created them. Someone said a while back that she was pretty good with computers.

Gumshoe….aintitsoo hypnotizing???

OREGON BLUETS MY DEAR OREGON BLUEBERRIES!!! AND BLACKBERRY COBBLER!!!

Oh its the real pickles thats for sure..

if it wasnt would i kno the AIntitSo riddle…

You may be the only one who remembers aintitso

Ah, blackberries. I made 3 blackberry cobblers a couple of weeks ago - 2 for our annual family reunion and 1 to leave home. All were gone that day.

Are you going to stay with us through the grand jury proceedings next week?

Now that I’m thinking about it again it seems really fishy that Lee went over to Tony’s that night to get ALL of M’s stuff. And why did Tony have it all neatly packed? Unless someone called him in advance as far as he knew M was coming back.

I think M told Lee to go over there to get her stuff and called Tony to tell him to pack it or something. And I do think Lee fooled with M’s laptop that night OR the next day. He said it had a “blue” screen and all the emails were erased for the past month. Why only the past month? The dumb cops didn’t get to that stuff until the next day or even later (”Dumb” meaning the sheriff’s dept people - not the detectives)

of course..am i spelling my name wrong from before..how did i spell it before…

Bump0naPickle ahhhahahaha there it is

yah ill be here for the grand jury heck yah

it wasn’t all program wiped out. He said it was like it hadn’t been shut down right and when it rebooted it had a message on it. When he started searching myspace facebook and email and all was erased. No spam or anything and he thought that was weird
If my neice were missing I would want to look through her stuff to see if there was a clue or something

guys goodnite from the emerald isle i will check in 2mmrw,thanks for the thoughts,it has been good.

caylee,goodnite and we all love you here.xxx.

I read on sacred monkeys he had an IT(Information technology = computer geek). Frequent traveling would be normal in such a job if working for a company with multiple locations. I know, I used to have one.
Anyway, time to feed all my cats. BBL.

LOL Scared monkeys and IT job.

C4C,
oh ok. So it all never was shut down. Just the places he could have gotten info maybe to search for Caylee.

So LE (or forensics) was able to get the other evidence from her own hard drive on the laptop.

And I think the myspace things were taken from some