Local 6 News is reporting that the State Attorney’s Office has plans on presenting its case to a grand jury next week. They will decide if prosecutors have enough evidence to charge Casey Anthony with homicide charges in connection to the disappearance of little Caylee Anthony.
Caylee has been missing since mid June and her mother has refused to cooperate with authorities in finding her. Now her attorney says on National TV that to talk now would not be in his client’s best interest.
Caylee still hasn’t been found but authorities are so convinced that she is no longer alive that they are ready to go forth with what they have now to charge Anthony in connection with the death of her daughter. It is not known yet though if it will be for murder or manslaughter.
Recently new documents were released including a surveillance video clearly showing Casey Anthony shopping in Central Florida stores using the stolen checks she has been accused of stealing from her friend Amy Huizenga. Copies of checks that Casey wrote with one that she even signed her own name to were released too.
The day Casey was arrested on child neglect charges she was wearing a blue hoodie with the number 82 on it. In the surveillance tape just released today she is seen at a Target Store buying that same hoodie outfit. The investigators say she used a stolen check to make that purchase.
According to Local 6 News if Casey is found guilty on all of the 13 check fraud charges she could be sentenced to up to 65 years in prison. I say find her guilty of that and then find her guilty of murder and give her life without benefit of parole EVER.
Tuesday the Orange County Sheriff’s Office told the neighbors of the Anthony’s that they have placed a surveillance camera on a lamp post on Hopespring Drive aiming at the Anthony’s home so they might monitor any future problems between the Anthony’s and the protesters.
I say this might be a good thing, especially if they find a judge that is having a really bad day that they can get to grant Casey her request to go out and search for her daughter secretly. Although I just can’t see this happening but who knows. This case has had some seriously surprisingly twists so at this point I wouldn’t be surprised at what happens next. My advice is if they do give her this permission, they better plant a motion device inside her body that would be impossible for her to remove.
A spokesman, Todd Black, for Jose Baez told MyFoxOrlando.com that Baez has his own investigators out of state to get a photo of the real Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez that Casey says took Caylee. Black claims that the picture was taken at a park with the woman that they claim is the babysitter, Casey and Caylee but is is not known when the picture was taken. Black says they have been trying for weeks to find the man that has the picture and now that they have they have sent a team there to interview him.
I ask…. Are we REALLY supposed to believe this one? How many times has someone on the Anthony’s side in this case told the public that something positive has been done to bring us closer to finding little Caylee. Every time it looks like authorities get one step closer it is as though the Anthony’s and Baez gets nervous so they have to come out with something else to cause a diversion here.
If someone had this picture after all this time, surely they would have come forward with it to help identify this mysterious babysitter. They would not have had to be found, especially with such a large cash reward being offered. I have come to see that nothing Casey says surprises me anymore but the fact that she has her family and now even Jose Baez covering for her is hard to figure. How can this woman have convinced an educated man like Jose Baez that she is telling the truth?
Another thing that really bugs me is what exactly does Casey Anthony do in her attorney’s office from 10 am to 4 pm every day 5 days a week? I have always been charged by the hour with anything involving an attorney. They do not come cheap so what is up with that? What were the courts thinking when they approved of her going there for 6 hours a day?
I hope Caylee is found soon, my heart just can’t take much more. She needs to be found so that she can be laid to rest unless of course by some miracle that she has survived this whole ordeal and is actually alive out there somewhere. We all know that this would be truly a miracle but I for one do believe in them so one never knows. God Bless you Caylee, we still love you!
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackThank you, Jan! For still believing in this case and cause and giving us a forum to chat.
jan,once again thankyou for these posts,but i too want to find the end for caylee that we can focus on saying goodbye and we will never forget her.
Yes Jan and thanks for coming in and reminding some bloggers of the rudeness
hi amy,do u feel that maybe it could be coming to the end of this,that finaly m will get what she deserves?
Hi Minnie,
I think this chapter of the story may be coming to and end the “Chapter of her freedom”, but I think the defense will try to paint a picture that she’s been abused by men her whole life, blada, blada, blada..
Thanks Jan! I am happy about the news. CNN is also reporting that Prosecution Seeks Homicide Charges. It’s been almost non-stop coverage since 4pm. I’m sure NG will have a lot to say tonight.
You made several good points today. I like this one:
“Another thing that really bugs me is what exactly does Casey Anthony do in her attorney’s office from 10 am to 4 pm every day 5 days a week?”
I think this is an almost unheard of happening myself. She is supposed to be on house arrest so her attorney gets her out of the house 5 days a week, 6 hrs. a day?
I have a challenge for you, Jan.
See if you can find out if Baez has a life aside from Casey Anthony. Is he married? Dating someone? Children? Does he not play golf with his cronies? What lawyer sets aside every full day of his week for one case?
Gumshoe, BB is married… Him and his wife went over to the ants house after her first release.
hey guys,
this is an interesting page. It’s kinda old, but it has a list of 911 calls from the anthony household… apparently they were all crazy long before casey “lost” caylee.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Anthonys-Are-Liars
Thank you, Jan! You’re on top of this and we appreciate it!
Thanks Amy. I wonder how she feels knowing a notorious skank is with her husband holed up 6 hours a day, 5 days a week. Annnnd, brings him brownies.
BBL everyone!
I know, I wouldn’t like it one bit if that was me. I bet he has cameras all over that office, just in case she tries to claim something too
Bye, MTC~
ah how sweet he took his wife,wonder how his wife feels about him spending that much time with casey i am sure she seen the stripper pole incident,i wouldn’t leave my man are my dog with her
Amy - just caught this. You said BB is married?
Well there’s another law suit against M in the future!
Alienation of affection. Baez vs Baez with the culprit being M of course! (LOL)
Even the defense lawyer, Mickey (?), on NG last night had to laugh when she asked him about M spending 6 hours a day at BB’s office!
Yeah, I bet she wishes her husband never took this case.. or maybe not, maybe she likes shopping at tiffany & co. and is willing to let whatever be, so she can go shopping more
MTC< LMAO!!! THanks, needed the laugh, whew!
I’d love to see the footage from those cameras to see all the ways she tries to put the make on him.
I am wondering if the trip to go see the pic some guy has is the reason he wants Casey to be free to travel. Maybe he is planning on taking her with him.
really want in the hell to they have to talk about everyday and that long i am sure it is not about her defense all that time be kind of boring,casey have you lied,no mr baez batting eyes,i am innocent ok casey let’s have some browines and chill for the rest of the day
He just better watch those brownies. He may wake up in a pickle.
I have to go out for a while.
BBL
true gumshoe probably eating brownies and getting the giggles and watching girls gone wild
can’t wait till next week,sure is going to be a long week until then and hear the news
lol,gumshoe,i dont think i can type what i think their at in that office, m seems to have some hold over the men[and theres alot]in her life,i remember watching her release from jail the way he protected her and she stopped to whisper in his ear…
flowerchild, we can busy ourselves reading the new documents until the grand jury convenes.
I have seen the reciepts from the stores she went to using Amy’s checks. It was interesting to read the list of groceries and the lingerie, etc. She was haviong a shopping spree!
Documents are at Orlando Sentinel and Fox 35 news.
Be back around 9:30 hopefully.
minnie
:)
Baez at the trial shoving his hand into his pockets, “Can I ask for a short recess? I seem to have left my notes in my other pants.”
im fallin of ta chair gumshoe lol.. probly be well asleep when u return hope to catch u 2mrrw.
Jan - The first paragraph of your article brought music to my ears!
Hi gang,
Finally, it sounds as if the rest of the evidence will be presented. Although I’d love to find out the rest of what LE has, I’m certainly willing to be patient, for the sake of the case.
Here’s what Casey does all day at the attorney’s office. She attends …
Camp Baez:
Mondays - Creative writing lessons. Baez gives her writing prompts to get her creative juices going. Baez gave her an A+ for her paper entitled, “The REAL Zeneida: Captured on Film.” He was so impressed with it, he decided to “go with that one” and present it as truth.
Tuesdays - Lessons in MS Photoshop, where she promptly created a picture in a park of herself, Caylee, a man, and a hispanic woman. She was taught to change up features just enough to make sure the picture of Z would not resemble any real person.
Wednesdays - 911 and Jailhouse Phone Etiquette
Thursdays - Acting lessons, teaching her how to cry, to make it appear she has actual emotions.
Fridays - Special Seminars: “How to Keep Holding that Head High, as if You Really Are Innocent”
She has very busy weeks, guys.
I’ll bet this case is just wearing her out. Oh I hope she can submit her coursework to earn that last half credit and graduate from high school. lol
[Shout out to MMT & Concern for Caylee–haven’t seen you guys lately]
kimconn,you make me smile when ur being nice to everyone.
and i agree with u that she might not be arrested until november.we can wait.
hello everyone. I’m baaaaaack! Waiting for NG to come on, thought I’d check in.
WELL…….ITS ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME FLORIDA STEPS UP TO THE PLATE!!!
Did anyone see>>defense is going to portray her as a grieving mother…..Give me a brrrrreaaaakkkk!!!
By the way…of all the websites, I have found …this one is the best!
oh kimcon…what date are we talking about in nov..you burst my bubble…
hiphiver,hi the only break we need is in her neck…..
Dan @ 5:51, you gave us a website for some 911 calls previous to the c’s 911 call about Caylee. I noticed one says 2/5/04 (rescue) TOTFD. I wonder if that Totfd means “tot found”. In one of the taped jail conversations between M and L, he asked “is this like the last time?” and she answered “no.” None of us really knew what they meant?????? Wonder if the 911 on 2/5/04 is the clue???? What does anyone else think?
minnie..dat’s ma girl…
kimcon22000,i agree with ur post @6.32{except brownies arnt yummer]it doesnt matter about dates just as long as she gets time and we can all wait for that..
kimcon…is easier if you just told me..lol..just thought you knew…
I am so glad (sorry for Amy) that this little b$%ch went out shopping for bras and lingerie and beer and cheesy white sunglasses..
will help the murder case shows her state of mind AFTER the baby went missing…
NOT ONE ARTICLE IN OVER $1,000 SPENT FOR BABY CAYLEE…
Nice chatting with you guys. See yall later!
The time spent at attorney’s office has been on my mind. I suspect they have other people meeting with her during the hrs. she is there. God only knows who has been there, a shrink, maybe, a boyfriend?
The stipulation of her release was that she can go to attorney’s office for x amt of hours, but does it say she cannot have other visitors there? I’ll bet it doesn’t. I think she can, as long as she remains in his office.
She is a highly charged individual and I don’t mean that as an asset. Sociopaths are highly charged with energy. You can better your bottom dollar she is having other visitors.
kimcon…you married?
kimcon…is officially charged with obstucting justice…
concerned In Texas……that was funny! (your agenda of her classes by Baez) ROFL
wasnt’ a tai-po…i have my teeth out..LOL…kidding…
Hi, Just got back from my pole dancing class, with a big bag of cherries and my new white sun glases. Feeling pretty cute.
Oh yeah, and a case of Bud lite for me and my man.
ohoo catherine you are so bad
I think there is a simple explanation why Monster is so many hours at BB’s office. Other people have mentioned that monster talks incessantly.
BB wants to keep her away from other people as much as possible with her ever flapping gums..
She probably has a own little corner/room at his office with a puter while the rest of his business proceeds on its merry way.
BB will really be sweating once she is incarcerated again. You never know what kind of fiction will come out of her piehole again.
will be signing off for another evening…night night girls…including you John Boy..
i can’t believe this girl she goes shopping when her little girl is missing,buying groceries and nighties, she is going to burn
Catherine,
got those toes painted too? LOL.
Just got done with NG, Wonder how much it burns Amy H’s behind when she sees on video where all her $$$$$$ went to for M!!
goodnight to all!
snookers,
I bet BB and his wife are out celebrating. I guess the joy ride is off. Uh huh uh huh
Good Night CA
hi all did you read simons post on the lastpage?
CHSAH,
If I were Amy I would be like a maniac. Show me the way to the witness stand.
HiSharon,
No what did it say?
I mean the subject matter.
we all need to behave
Meow…. kimcon
Sharon,
In what respect.
said something on personal attacks i don’t know if he meant each other or casey, i didn’t see any personal attacks on each other really
don’t know kimcon what do they have in common
flower,
I’m sure they meant on each other.
What? kimcon
Tick Tock kimcon
i am so happy! they are gonna go before the grand jury!
right catherine i am growing old waiting on the answer
catherine how are you?
me to sharon jumping for joy like a lemur
New Rule-Kimcon can never ask any more stupid questions about Michael Jackson and K Mart or you will be reported to the proper authorities.
lame lame
Oh your in time out for that one mister. Bad Boy!
flower’
flower?
when do you think she willbe back in jail?
I’m great Sharon, thanks for asking. I needed a break from some people if you know what I mean.
yes catherine i hear you.
I think we can send her Christmas cards to the cement Holiday Inn.
things are beginning to move along now.
I just hope she goes into general population.
the day she gets thrown back in jail will be great!
Heads up,
Simon posted around 7 PM in the other blog, anyone caught dissing here will be removed, and that includes if one changes their name, Simon will go by IP address.
I really hope they televise the trial.
I AM tickled beyond imagination that ‘m’ will get “her dues”, I can see it all playing out now, and she will be done for.
I love Sarah, back off my girlfriend.
BB and Michael Jackson now that would be an interesting duo.
i think Sarah’s kewl, too
i am sick of seeing her with that smug look on her face darn shirt tied shaking her booty around like she is queen bee that girls days are numbered. i too hope she goes in general pop she will get special priveleges jmo!
cj,
God must of heard all of our prayers. Now we just have one more prayer to be answered. Bring our sweet baby Caylee home to rest.
i am hoping by the end of next week but who knows as long as she goes down that is good enough for me
Those guards better stock up.
i have alot of faith in tim. i think they may find caylees remains this time.
Yes, you can have a cigar break. What kind of cigars do you smoke, cubans?
I read some of the blogs on the web site Dan posted above. They were kind of old but one caught my eye. It’s below.
I wondered if any of you ever saw any info on what Lorraine the garbage lady had found in the Ants garbage?
This is what one person wrote but I don’t know where she got the info:
“I’m not sure if they packed up any of Caylee’s belongings, but that woman who stole the Anthony’s trash (Lorraine) said that there was a paper listing Caylee’s “firsts” in the garbage bag. You know, like, first word, first step, etc. Why would anyone throw that away?”
I do too Sharon.
That Padilla must be working with LE he just has too much inside info don’t you think?
where are the ant’s of late,haven’t heard to much out of them lately are they in hiding
where is bri tonight? any body know?
I would suspect that Amy got some of her money back already from BOA. Especially that $250.00 check cashed at the BOA office. Bet that Amy signature on front is not at all like Amy’s.
mytwocents,
That makes me cry.
flower,
Out shopping for court clothing.
yes’ padilla has great answers to all ng ? it seems to me he has something new to add every nite! hmmmm.
well i am saying nite all be back tommorrow going to bed early tonight so seeya
Sharon,
She’s having a bad day, similar to the one I had yesterday.
Good Night, flower
sharon,
Do you have google earth on your laptop?
thet better have lots of gum to chew on in court maybe there at sams club stocking up!lol!
yes catherine.
“Notorious skank” LOL @ Gumshoe
What is that about?
huh?
Too True what does that mean?
2cents
unbelievable that gal found in ants trash the page with Caylee’s Firsts on it…
Cat-yep we are happy campers now for sure arent we? And from here, it only gets better!
i am off for now, been working outside all day and need to finiih some things, might be back later.
Sharon,
That’s exactly what I mean about this site.
Nighty, night cj
Where is kimcon? We need his help for this one.
Gumshoe is my friend.
i was just thinking are we goin there again really what was that all about?
oh one more thing
YES I DO BELIEVE Tim from ES WILL find Caylee or something significant anyway, tears..
in the meantime even if he can’t, he will give it his BEST and no one else could do better,
weather providing of course..
and Kimcon, yes i saw a hurricane headed for
CA down by Bahas, I NEVER knew our west side got hurricanes, learn something new every day, and this ones a cat 4, sounds horrific.
cat do you know too cool?
Goodnite my friends see you all tomorrow evening when I get home from.
May God Bless sweet little Caylee.
Oh no, run for cover cj
Sweet Dreams, Gale
yah cj go tim!!!!
Blogging police. Calling blogging police.
cat too dam funny!!!!
Go get’em big guy.
Gumshoe is so sweet why would someone say that?
Folks, the hearing Friday is on the economic charges? And Baez’s motions are also going to be presented and decided? Is that what’s happening?
Those of you living in FL are lucky because WFTV is going to air the hearing live. I assume it’s on their TV station altough I saw the notice on their web site. The following is from wftv.com
WATCH LIVE: Hearing On Casey Anthony Motions On Friday At 10:30AM
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Investigators and prosecutors believe they have a strong circumstantial case against Casey, strong enough to take it to an Orange County grand jury during a special session October 14. They don’t have all the answers, they won’t say whether Caylee suffered and they don’t have Caylee’s body, but they do believe they have a mother who killed her daughter.
Investigators do have forensic evidence showing Caylee is dead and that at one time her body was in the trunk of her mother’s car, but they have no “smoking gun” indicating how Caylee was killed.
Prosecutors will take what evidence they have to the grand jury and let the panel decide what the charges should be, murder, manslaughter or maybe nothing at all right now until more evidence is found.”
murder? manslaughter? please help whats the difference here i will it affect m ?
Cat i am WA state so will be fine, thanks though for being concerned, i was born in CA but a baby when we left there, have lived all over the world since dad was AF
I think murder charge. I have faith in Tim that he will find Caylee’s body.
Kincom=mental patient
Catherine: Gumshoe called M that in her 5:52 post. Too True must have just read it and it made him/her laugh. It’s not an insult TO Gumshoe.
mytwocents,
Oh, he should have said that it was a joke when we asked. Sharon and I were getting ready to put our boxing gloves on. LOL
kimcon,
What is a swisher?
Catherine: I read Too True’s post earlier and figured he/she was enjoying Gumshoe’s post. Seemed clear to me. Maybe Too True wasn’t on line with us to see the question about it.
Makes sense to me. I’m too protective of people that I care about.
kimcon, no fair lol you sniffed me out lol
Can’t stay on long tonight guys…But wanted to stop in for a few minutes to say hello…Glad to see everyone…I have thought of a few things I will type and contribute before heading off to bed…
Nice to see you here Cat…you got mail too…
howdee Kris,
i am leaving any minute just here to CELEBRATE with you’all!!
Someone mentioned earlier that maybe M gets to have “visitors” while she’s at BB’s office. And the other day there was talk about her having a cell phone - like that the cops don’t know about.
And here I’ve been thinking of her as fairly isolated!
And now I wonder how much she’s been able to muck about with this case, witnesses, evidence etc. With visitors and a cell phone she could easily get around BB who couldn’t help her without being disbarred by asking other people. Opens up a whole new slew of awful possibilities doesn’t it? Yikes!
Kimcon,
You flatter yourself too much. Sarah and I would not go into a room with you. Your bad!
I love Shawn, pick on Allen he could never look hot unless he was on fire.
What is a swiaher?
person is passed out!! lol
oh Sharon, thanks for your welcome earlier too
i feel after five weeks i am a regular here even if not postng as often as id like to.
I’m being very good tonight. I am drinking a diet white tea with raspberries on ice. Yummy Goodnes!
I was talking to a few family members which I mentioned were in law enforecement..there are some interesting feasible thought going around in there minds….Does anyone here think it is possible given the fact that they state next week they are to go before a grand jury to bring charges against monster…that maybe Tim is really not coming back to search but to be a part of questions to be answered before that grand jury?
My uncles were discussing this and there was talk of the media reports being a ploy to scare monster into thinking they are searching again..when in fact they already found Caylee upon the last search…Made sense to me..any thoughts?
Kris, well that IS a very interesting concept, anythings possible, we dont know the half of things..
i have ‘alot’ of thoughts running through my mind as well, too many to write out at this time.. but it is ALL coming together nicely,
i will bet that the ants and m especially is shaking in their you know what..
Hi Kris,
Had a change of heart, so I decided to come back. Bri is not having a good day similar to the one I had yesterday.
Remember, we talked about Tim finding Caylee’s body a few weeks ago. Maybe he did and now he is going to testify about finding her body.
re Tim and ES, good one Cat and i agree as well.
pkay bbl
Is sabrina upset at me…I hope not I was hoping to talk to her in here for a bit…but I will have to go to bed soon..been up too late many nights in a row.
Pray!
bbl guys
The news report I posted at 8:59 seemed to indicate that the investigators said they have no body. That they have a circumstantial case and that’s why they are asking the grand jury if they think there’s enough to go forward with some kind of murder charge. So it doesn’t sound like a ploy to scare M.
If anything it sounds like they may not have enough to go for a murder charge.
Also I don’t know what Tim could testify to in the grand jury unless he did find a body OR something C or G said to him. That’s all I can think of at the moment.
My first thoughts were that they are gearing up for something big to go down soon…The dead give away was the installation of the camera on the lamp post outside and saying it was because of protestors…lol…(my ass)..More like we think you may jump bail and bolt..but were watching you anyway!
Wouldn’t you like to be a fly on the wall at the Ant’s house. They will screw up, because they are liars. Each one will have a different story until they are end up in jail for perjury.
Kris - Sabrina was on for just a bit today and was looking for you and Catherine! I thought she would have emailed you. But she got back on line shortly after and said she was “outta here” and gonna find a more “lucritive blog.” I have no idea what happened. I did not see any insults to her. Maybe you could send her an email? See what’s going on.
Kris,
Of course they want to keep a close on that baby killer.
What is a swiaher?
I have no idea but will google it/them for felonies right now!
I loved that the cops put that camera there!
In one way it was the perfect solution to the Ants’ problems with protesters (but not a solution the Ants would like) and in another way it was “We are watching you!” I bet the cops had a good chuckle about that and I’m sure they need a few chuckles about now!
I know they do Catherine…I just knew in my gut it was gonna be soon when they mounted it out there…and that was even before hearing about the grand jury decision for next week…I got goosebumps of excitement when I read about it, then low an behold here is Jan’s next blog!
mytwocents,
She did email me, she is just having a bad day.
kimcon,
Can you ever answer me like a big boy?
my2cents..I couldn’t figure out sabrinas departure either? It was quickly and without any crazy posts around it either..I hope she comes back in.
Kris,
She is going to come back, or I will haunt have kimcon haunt her.
Oh, okay. Kris just asked so I was afraid no one had been in contact. I hope it’s not got to do with the blog today. I’ve been the unlucky target of most of the BS. Didn’t see any directed her way. Anyway, hope she feels better and will re-join soon!
LOL meant to say or I will have kimcon haunt her.
mytwocents,
I’ll pass your message on to her.
Have to leave now. See y’all tomorrow!
I would have talked to her earlier but I had many errands to run, and a doctor visit too. Got home late and then had to do some things here…so in short I got to the computer late tonight to see anyone or catch up on the posts.
mytwocents,
Who is picking on you?
Hi all! You peeps are great. Thanks for having my back tonight in regard to TooTrue’s post, but I read it and think he/she was just laughing at my vulgar description of M in my earlier post.
Your defense of me is very much appreciated!!
Kris said:
“Does anyone here think it is possible given the fact that they state next week they are to go before a grand jury to bring charges against monster…that maybe Tim is really not coming back to search but to be a part of questions to be answered before that grand jury?”
That’s possible, I think. But I tend to believe that Tim called off the search before because of the waters. He seems to be coming back with a vengeance–on a mission–and I think he thinks he will find Caylee the first day back.
That being said, if he DOES find Caylee in the first days back, say over the weekend, what’s to keep him from also testifying at the grand jury a few days later? He would have 5 or 6 days to search probably before the grand jury convenes.
By 2cents..good night!
Night, mytwocents
Kris,
Could testing be done for Caylee’s DNA in three to five days?
You may be right gumshoe…afterall they do have it narrowed down if the witness that saw her coming out of the woods was correct and what area it was in…Just curious..does anyone know if the witness said she seen her with any tools (like a shovel)? If not, and she left it there…it might make it easier for Tim if they have equipment and metal detectors…FIND THE SHOVEL AND YOU WILL FIND CAYLEE.
Catherine, thank you for asking. I came back just this minute because I wished I hadn’t mentioned it. Let’s just look forward to a new and better day tomorrow!
Sweet dreams! (Wish I could have said that to little Caylee just once. I know we all do.)
Catherine said,in October 8th, 2008 at 9:28 pm Wouldn’t you like to be a fly on the wall at the Ant’s house. They will screw up, because they are liars. Each one will have a different story until they are end up in jail for perjury.
Catherine, I can’t wait until the trial when they are once again on the stand and change thier stories yet again.
By the time this goes to trial, Cindy’s story might be that she saw Zenaida, talked to her by phone, and even dropped Caylee off at those same stairs once herself.
That would be really pushing it I think. Given the state of decomp. They would definitely need to do mitochondrial Dna by Pcr testing..which will take longer…I don’t think that intricate a dna screen could be bumped up or rushed within 3-4 days.
Kris,
I didn’t hear anything about a shovel being seen by the witness.
I think I might try to repost that lab report one more time…I may break it up into two posts to see if it goes through that way…gonna go get it….brb.
Kimcon,
What are we going to do with you?
Why don’t you ask mytwocents if she has a crush on you?
OH MY GOD…LOL!!!…kimcon…stop that crap!
Maybe you have a crush on mytwocents.
Catherine
A simple DNA test on a bone or tissue could be done that quick. Elaborate DNA takes about 3 weeks. But if they find a body part with Caylee’s clothes attached, and/or if she is in one of Casey’s duffel bags, I think they could conclude it is Caylee pretty quick.
I think something is up. LE has been too quiet.
Yep. Me too.
We will soon find out.
Kimcon,
Do you live alone?
GONNA TRY TO REPOST THIS LAB REPORT/RESEARCH ONE MORE TIME IT WILL BE IN 2 PARTS… THIS POST IS PART ONE…PART 2 WILL BE BELOW IN THE NEXT POST…(HERE GOES NOTHING!)
Kris said,in October 7th, 2008 at 3:36 pm Hi everyone, Found out some
interesting news today. My one pathologist friend is still on vacation but I got
to talk to another one at the hospital. He gave me some info and we researched a
bit together and came up with some interesting facts.
In the event that they find Caylee’s remains it can be determined beyond a shadow of a doubt wether or not she had been drugged (potency, for how long, and length of time) through any remaining tissue samples and or possibly bone marrow. There is a machine which is extremely expensive and state of the art
called a “Chromatograph/Tandem mass Spectrometer”, this machine can determine
most all chemical poisonings, be it perscription drugs or other, through
liquification of tissue samples. This process can be performed by one of two places and experts…Marc Lebeau of FBI lab in Quantico TX. , or Kevin Ballard (PHD in pharmacology, also an expert in this liquification process).
PART 2 CONTINUED BELOW…
SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THIS POSTED THIS TIME….I AM ONLY HOPING AND HOLDING MY BREATH! LOL.
Kris said,in October 8th, 2008 at 9:44 pm That would be really pushing it I think. Given the state of decomp.
Right. But for some reason I have had the idea that a bigger amount of remains will be found than everyone else speculates. I know it was very hot weather. I know there are alligators as well as other scavengers. I know bodies decompose quickly in the elements. But I have seen bodies be found after a very long time and still have the majority of bones remain, as well as much hair.
Maybe she is in one of those plastic storage containers that Walmart and Target sell. Or a very strong garbage bag. That would help keep remains in one place.
That didn’t answer you, Kris–I meant to say that yes, it would be pushing it to test remains in a week.
Kris,
Looks like it posted.
kimcon..my ‘puter is clean…I only had one buggy on there and I know what site it’s from…compliments of ebay…for some reason when they reformatted their site it allowed righ media to get onto computers…Harmless little pest but easy to boot out too.
kimcon,
I will email it to you, and maybe you can post it.
Oh, yes, Kris, I read your post on another blog. And that is encouraging to know what tests can be done. I was afraid that chloroform and Xanax couldn’t be detected from a mere bone.
I love forensics!
Hello all. I am glad about the grand jury. I wonder if they are doing this because of BB requests. The info can’t be released now because it would be risky since it has yet to be indicted. I think that is why he requested the docs. He was pushing this to go to trial. THe LE will have no choice now but to present a case within 145 days. Thi makes it less likely that they can charge her with murder… could be manslauhter. they are angling for a lesser charge.
I bet the attorney has her at his office everyday to keep her mouth shut and off the computer. I bet the lawyers are afraid she will say too much. BB has defended other child killers before M. I bet he will sell his story to a movie and book deal and that is how he will get his fees. He is certainly not doing this out of the goodness of his heart ( does he have one). Always a motive. I do hope the evidence is enough to go for murder I wouldn’t want her to get the satisfaction of just accidental homicide. That would be a joke…. Hey what maybe she os pyschic…no wait pyscho…
Ok tell me.
try posting part two in two parts.
I already know the answer.
OK…PART 2 OF 3 (HAD TO TRY IT DIFFERENTLY FOR THE SAKE OF SUCCESS)….
Kevin is the director of research and development National medical services of
Pennsylvania. The founder of the special process in which tissue samples can be
broken down and liquified for testing. And also the expert witness on a
successful poinsoning conviction in the state of Florida previously. Ballard
helped through his testing and statements on the stand to convict head Coronor/pathologist “William Sybers” in the poisoning death of his wife. In this
case the fatal drug was succinylcholine. So Florida is no stranger to where this
research specialist can be located to run test..should they find Caylee.
PART 3 OF 3…LAB REPORT/RESEARCH…
My best advice from a lab perspective would be to officials in the event they
find Caylee’s remains..would be that given the fact that we can only forsee BB
making a stink of any testing being done in Quantico by the FBI lab, assuming he
would make a stink saying it would only be bias to his client for the FBI to
test, they should go right to Ballard in PA..as their second opinion, for
Ballard is the founder of the process to liquify and to determine just what drug
or poison was in any given case of murder. This machine can determine amount &
longevity with accuracy if performed by an expert in that clinical background.
And Florida should definitely remember Ballard from the Sybers case because they
convicted him on that testimony and machine usage.
*See people….I have input when there is truly something new to talk about…I
don’t always just stray to talk about the spaghetti I’m making for dinner….lol!
C4C,
could be. (THe LE will have no choice now but to present a case within 145 days.)
But if Tim has his way he will produce remains in a few days, so 145 days would be ok.
DID THE 3/PART POST COME THROUGH OK?
gum,
I think he will find her within two weeks, if she hasn’t already been found.
Kris, did you have spaghetti for dinner?
Prosecution is ready for all the stinks Baez will raise. I can’t wait to see his mickeymouse courtroom antics. He’s already come up with some pretty good stuff.
YEAH! GUMSHOE CAN SEE IT! WAS ALL THREE SUCCESSFUL…OR CAN ANYONE NOT SEE THEM?
me, too, Catherine.
I agree with the body part. They can always ammend the charge as long as the trial isn’t completed yet. I do hope they find her for everyone’s piece of mind. The picture hunt is just a way to cause reasonable doubt. If there really is a “babysitter” then maybe all the other facts are wrong to. If LE has alot of the stuff rumored about it would seem to a lay person like me they could still get murder charges… but maybe that is just wishful thinking on my part.
HURRAY FOR CAYLEE!!!!! She will have her justice served.
We have all been so emotionally involved, I don’t know if our hearts can take it when she is found.
All 3 show up kimcon? If so that made my night..and I can tell my pathologist friend that it finally posted and the work was put in.
I can see all 3 Kris.
Nice work.
Yes it has been emotional for all of us… but I for one will sleep a little better knowing that she isn’t out there having been sold to horrible people by her beyond description M. In my heart I know that Caylee is at peace with God… But a definate would be closure. I also want to see them nail M with as much as possible. The check charges alone could get her 65 years. But she is young that’s not life. Plus I want her punished for what she did to Caylee. The econimic charges are nothing in comparision to the violation of trust she was given as a mother. I treat my pets better than she treated her own flesh and blood. How anyone could hurt anyone, much less a child like this and feel no remorse…..
kimcon are you sure those are cigars you smoke?
I feel fulfilled now….I think I will hit the hay..too many late nights on here, and this has been the busiest week at the lab all year cause everyone’s coming down sick because of the weather changes… I will talk to everyone tommorrow night…By for now..
i can see it all !lol!
LOL Sharon
Sweet Dreams Kris
‘nite Kris.
kimcon you gotta leave padilla alone thats my honey .
WHAT DOES BB HAVE TO DO WITH THE FBI GETTING INVOLVED? HOW CAN HE STOP THE PROCESS?
n ite all!!!!
Kimcon,
You have an imagination of a 6 year old.
Night, Sharon
Just filing motions and stirring up the waters I think he is the reason they are presenting to the grand jury. All his requests for evidence and questioning the tests and everything. He acts like he is the supreme being in Florida. I hope the early idea that the body will be found soon happens.
kimcon oops thought you were sleepin.lol
SEEMS TO ME THAT A LAWYER CAN’T TELL THE FBI WHAT TO DO
OR WHAT THEY CAN’T DO. MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING HERE.
i was leaving but kimcon keeps wakin me up.
I have to go eat something. I missed dinner tonight.
‘nite everybody. Sleep peacefully, and thanks again.
I think his stratgey is to keep the state and LE so busy they have less time to investigate and build a case. BB and m are not exactly seeking justice. They want to derail it and get away with murder
mom tell jimmy to quit!! lmao.
GUESS I’M 2 DAM OLD TO KEEP UP WITH ALL THE CARP OF A MESS.
Good evening all late getting on i tried to hear NG twice and missed some lol my daughter was really wanting her attention. The news today is not shocking just finally its happening…i was confused what did padilla mean at the end of the show when he said LE didnt wanna release to equsearch until the grand jury,(about where their honing in now to search).. and then he said she had 5 days to tell them where the body is..??? ,meaning what? I am tired, and confused…
and btw
i just left the other blog,and read jans new post and then simon posted later in case some missed his post go back it was just left, in case some more crap starts in this room tonight, he isn’t going to tolerate it anymore..
SO IT IS ALL JUST B.S.?
PAM, I DO KNOW THAT THE 5 DAYS IS FOR HER TO COME FORWARD AND CONFESS.
Does anyone in here really think she is going to admit it now?
well it sounds as tho the equsearch is gonna find her… the way they talked…they always end NG show with padilla saying something and your like wait what hold on what do you mean ? lol and the show ends
WHAT? I GET CONFUSSED AND DON’T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THIS CASEY CRAP. WHAT U THINK I MEANT?
HOW OLD R U KIM?
I think alot left tonight its late, i got on later than normal… but was busy reading all the days blogs… the news today is very interesting indeed… do i think shes gonna admit now or lead them to a body as padilla said? Nope
SHE IS A STONE. SHE DID NOTHING IN HER MIND.
Kimcon
You just had fair warning is all… you can take it or leave it.. I am the one who doesn’t care one way or the other. I read your blogs in between others and I find you annoying but harmless really… It would be inetersting to see you have some real comments on the case actually… about casey anthony.. you sound alot like the RV
WHO ME?
no no I was speaking to kimcon the one whogets everyone stirred ip…lol I am still here. I missed two shows of NG and am waiting to see the late late one what are your thoughts on todays developments mamabear?
mamabear
you’ll find that what kimcon does is copy and paste your own comments into another new comments and then make sarcastic comments on your comments, which confuses everyone reading the blog. that i am tired of…
I AM GLAD THAT THINGS ARE FINALLY MOVING ALONG. SEEMS LIKE I READ ALL DAY FOR ONE OZ. OF INFO AND A LITTLE GOES AS FAR AS I CAN REACH. LOL
yah its too confusing when kimcon does that cause you start reading someones post they said way earlier and then kimcn doesnt even respond to what you said just copies and pastes it.. anyways… the case is brewing right now, we should see alot this week and next I am wondering how long the grand jury will lsiten to these 82 witnesses, my god could be weeks
I HAVE TO COPY AND PASTE TO WORD AND SIZE UP TO 16 BEFORE I CAN READ. THE PRINT IS 2 SMALL FOR ME. SORRY TO BE UGLY BUT I GET CONFUSSD EASY AND HAVE HAD TO GO PAST HER COMMENTS TO EVEN TRY TO KEEP UP.
I CAN’T DOWNLOAD “FLASH” SO I HAVE MISSED LOTS.
yes exactly thats why i think the kimcon will be removed its too distracting… sometimes we copy and paste to comment on a particular great blog or something someone wrote thats so interesting so you copy and paste it to comment on them but what kimcon does is spend my time scanning over theirs to get to the news… hm…well alot came out today more than i was expecting so i think its heating up alot..i still am confused about the searching going on? not going on?
I SURE WISHED THEY WOULD HAVE THIS TRIAL ON T.V.
WELL, GUESS MY EYES HAVE HAD WAY TO MUCH READING TONIGHT. NITE.
Still here pammy?
I thought would check in once more before shutting down for the night.
i am wondering about that too. but i know with peterson they didnt allow it thats why i don’t think they will this one either, we’ll see……i think i am going to watch NG for the third time to hear what i missed. my daughter wants my attention when i get home from work, and so i miss the 8 pm show then i watch the 10 to hear it in quiet but tonight had to really really listen hard to catch it all…this case is disturbing no matter how its all ending and playing out. I mean the news today is good shes gonna be charged but then i ahev mixed emotions about my feelings cause its all sad no matter how it ends..
i am here i was with mamabear but shes leaving goodnight mamabear
you can read my posts cj i am sick of kimcon disturbing this blog i mean some i take tongue in cheek you know but to other new bloggers reading its very confusing when he/she? does the copy paste thing
WISHED I HAD THAT SWEET BABY. NITE
nite mamabear
Hi Pammy
So you think it could really take the grand jury “weeks” to decide?
I think they are giving her till the 14 to confess cus thats when she is supposed to appear in court for the other charges, right?
i think they are gonna surprise her when she appears and arrest her then and there for murder.
wishful thnking on my part lol
yeah i read what you wrote Pammy,
are you still around or did you leave?
Simon & Jan,
You both have made it very clear of what you expect from us bloggers, on several ocassions, and as recently today. One individual continues to want to be the “class clown” and talk about subjects that do not pertain to the blogs. If you review (which I’m sure you will) this blog (118086), Kimcon22000 has continued to utilize your blog site to crack his/her jokes (and felony checks) and it is getting really old. It makes it difficult to just scroll past those comments and try to remember what the focus of the last persons’s comment was. I will speak for myself, You both have taken the time to write an article for us to blog about that most of us take seriously. We all crack our jokes, but usually pertaining to this case in someway. Kimcon22000 has used alot of bloging space, but has put very little comments in when it comes to the topic at hand. Several of us have asked that person to “quit” but it just gets worse. I’ll leave it to you as to what you feel should be done but felt the need to express my frustration with this person and the rudeness. Joking or not……..it’s getting old. Thanks for listening.
Jan & Simon, by the way this went on from 6:32 Pm to 10:36 PM on this page alone!
pammyliz, still here?
Hi all,
Thanks Caylee-Angel for your greeting earlier. After all the negative comments yesterday, I had decided to not post again. However, earlier tonight I read Jan’s and Simon’s comments and I thought I would give it another try.
Bri, did you come back? Hope so.
I’m off to bed as it’s almost midnight but will be back!
kimcon22000 posted this tonight starting with another comment:
…i just left the other blog,and read jans new post and then simon posted later in case some missed his post go back it was just left, in case some more crap starts in this room tonight, he isn’t going to tolerate it anymore..
What’s your point? No one cares what they think. This is America and I’ll say what I please. You and your other clones may bow down to some bozo demi-gods but I have a brain and self-will. If they want to erase my IP then I guess they’re as shallow as those who fear them. So save your threats for someone who cares-this is not Russia. Go peddle your fears somewhere else “follower”.
Now for our comment to kimcon22000:
WE run Blogger News and WE care about what our bloggers think. We have asked a few times for you to cool it and since you have this attitude we will ban you from here. And that does NOT make us shallow.
Jan and Simon Barrett - BNN Editors
Inasmuch as they like to duplicate and imitate, I suppose Kimcon fell victim to his own ‘one up you’ personality…farewell kimcon!
Good morning RV
Just getting on and saw the latest blogs… I wondered where you had went to..
what did you think about these new developments?? on the grand jury and all???
you know i try to stay out of the bickering but the kimcons way of copying and pasting every single persons remarks and then saying something rude was annoying me…
I haven’t learned of the new developments yet pammy….I’ll look into it this evening…gotta go….Good morning and have a most wonderful day with good cheer in your heart!
So what is the protocol for carrying a dead body around and dumping it? Do you carry it in a garbage bag or storage container? If the body was inside something when she got dumped it, then that would help preserve it (I am guessing) I would find it hard to believe that M carried the body around in broad daylight. If it was in fact daylight. Or was she in the garbage bag that C threw out, that contained the infamous “Rotten Pizza”.
At first C was all about turning her daughter in when it involved stolen money, but when it became her dead grandaughter she changed positions. Maybe she realized she actually was a accomplice by disposing of the body…
‘Morning DisgustedinTexas!
I think C first called 911 and reported the theft of her car - and even theft from her bank account - she said she had “affadivits” from the bank - so M would be forced into bringing Caylee home or taking Cindy to her.
Then M told C that Caylee had been kidnapped by the “nanny” - a great story since it made M central to the ability to get Caylee back. And therefore M was once more important to her mother and protected from being charged by her mother for other things.
C fell for M’s lies so M has had her mother on puppet strings all this time and for years.
Regarding the body: If M bought a storage box at Target that can’t be accounted for then that’s a possibility. But I don’t put it past M to be able to “toss” a messy plastic garbage bag out of her trunk in some remote area.
The police did retrieve a bag of “trash” from the trunk that George had thrown out at the tow truck yard. But I don’t know if there was other stuff that got thrown out later.
Hi Pammy, RV, 2Cents and All,
I am just thrilled that things are coming together, finally… and m will be held accountable!!
Hi, cj!
I am too. But I’m also very interested in this case, how it’s being investigated and handled.
For example, on NG last night someone said that one reason to bring it before a grand jury right now is that this is very close to the end of one grand jury’s session. So if they don’t agree to go forward with a homicide charge then LE can present it again later to a newly formed grand jury (possibly after gathering even more evidence).
I’m glad to see LE being cautious and not responding to some of the public’s impatience. I’d rather wait and have a really solid case than take any more risk than is necessary.
BB is a clown but he could get lucky. We all know that thanks to the OJ double murder travesty of justice.
A jury here in Fort Worth, Tx just found a man guilty of murder and there was NO body and LESS evidence than they have against M. Even if they do not find poor Caylees body there is a strong chance they can convict M. I think she is going to jail for a long long time.
I’m holding on to that hope, DisgustedinTexas.
But I’m afraid there are people out there who - even now - don’t believe a mom could hurt her child, don’t believe THIS mom could hurt her child; perceive her as a poor victim of big bad cops and unscrupulous media and some men on the jury may simply not understand any of it and want to “protect” her. So anything’s still possible - unfortunately. We’ll have to hang in there until the end and help keep each other’s hopes up!
Wish she’d just confess and get it all over with - but then she wouldn’t be a “star” anymore.
goodmorning guys! after watching ng last nite and listening to padilla he really seems to know alot more then i thought he did. does any one think he may be hand and hand with le?
also i was wondering. when tim comes back is the public welcome to help in the search?
has anybody heard if casey got her wish to go searching for caylee yet?
Hi, Sharon! Padilla seems to have a lot of respect for LE and at least one (former?) FBI agent who has worked with him in the past thinks highly of him. I’m sure he’s supportive of LE. But it seems like Padilla has a lot of info and has done a lot of “work” investigating and figuring out things himself.
But I’m sure he’d do/say something if LE wanted him to if it furthered the cause.
Also according to what Mandy Albritton of EquuSearch said on NG last night, Tim is going to Orlando to speak with LE and to take a look at the areas that might be searched in order to be sure they’re in good enough shape (dry enough). I don’t think he needs people lining up to search the minute he arrives in Orlando but maybe shortly after that when he’s decided where and how the next search should be conducted.
they installed the camera at ants house hmmm? the protesters have been very quiet. i believe le had that camera installed to watch m after court fri some believe she could be a possible flight risk!
Hi, flowerchild! The hearing on that and other motions by BB is being held tomorrow I think.
M is supposed to be there. She got permission from home confinement manager.
The hearing is going to be aired live on wftv so our fellow bloggers in Florida can see it! I’ll have to wait for video clips on the news web sites I guess.
2cents on fri do you think that court app will be televised ?
Sharon! Yep! I love that camera!
But since she’s been spending 6 hours a day at her attorney’s office - maybe even has a quiet room to watch tv, use a computer, talk on the phone, etc - she could just as easily walk out of there and disappear (IMO).
i thought the hearing was today,her motion to search for caylee in private?
2cents got my answer thanks.
Sharon, local orlando news channel wftv announced they would be airing it live.
You can check on their web site at wftv.com
flowerchild it’s Friday (tomorrow) at 10:30 am
And that’s just one of the 8 or 9 motions that will be heard.
when the ants are with the grand jury will c be able to tell the truth ? this is something i really wonder how it will play out. you know like mother like daughter.
Thank you, Jan, for cleaning house. I just logged in to see how the board looked. I was so weary of it last night that I decided not to use bloggernews anymore. I’m glad I logged in one more time.
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Grand Jury May Consider New Charges For Casey
Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:57:14 AM
Central Florida News 13
ORLANDO — Casey Anthony could soon face new charges in the disappearance of her daughter, Caylee.
The Orlando Sentinel reports a grand jury is set to convene to consider homicide charges for Casey.
That grand jury could convene as early as next Tuesday.
oh my bad i thought today was friday,day ahead of myself LOL
thanks 2cents.
Prosecutors to seek grand-jury indictment of Casey Anthony in Caylee’s death
Bianca Prieto and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
October 9, 2008
Prosecutors will seek homicide charges against Casey Anthony in the disappearance of her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee Marie, sources said Wednesday.
An Orange County grand jury is scheduled to meet next week in Orlando, starting Tuesday.
Grand jurors hear evidence presented by prosecutors and decide whether it is enough to justify an indictment.
In other developments disclosed Wednesday:
***The director of the Texas-based group that helped organize the volunteer search for Caylee will be back in Central Florida on Friday, an organization spokeswoman said.
Tim Miller, founder and director of Texas EquuSearch, will assess the weather conditions, including water levels and vegetation, to determine whether it’s the right time to resume the search.
*** Two more items have been added to the list of issues to be discussed Friday at a hearing at the Orange County Courthouse.
#1 Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, is asking Circuit Judge Stan Strickland to seal Anthony’s home-confinement schedule — dates and times when she leaves her house for appointments.
#2 He also wants the judge to order the state to turn over any evidence favorable to his client, such as names of people who might help establish Anthony’s innocence and the names of any undercover agents in the case.
*** Cindy and George Anthony met with investigators at the Sheriff’s Office on Tuesday.
*** The missing child’s uncle, Lee Anthony, went to the Sheriff’s Office on Wednesday.
what channel is that station don’t know if i have that one,have digital can someone tell me?
well anyway i am sure cnn will cover it are some station i get
wesh2 news orlando fl is a good one updates every 30 mins ormy fox orlando
Hi, Gumshoe! So glad that you and others didn’t give up. We just have to try to stick together while we weather some storms.
This really is the best blog and we should not let a few nincompoops run us off. (And that is not a slam at you know who but to any former, current and future bloggers who don’t seem to want to blog about Caylee. Not that some humor and personal comments are verboten. They’re not. We’ve got a lot of leeway here - as long as such comments don’t overwhelm the blog.
flower that would bemy fox orlando ch 35
flowerchild,
yesterday CNN covered the news about the new documents and the grand jury coming up for several hours non-stop. Unless some breaking news story prevents it, I am sure they will cover the hearing tomorrow - maybe not in full, but enought to allow us to hear some of it firsthand.
thanks gumshoe i hope they air it,cnn is a good news station
how cruel m is really she wears the shirt and white glasses she stole with amy’s checks. i say burn her to the ground! how cold and callous.
Thanks fore the update Gumshoe.
And the welcome here, earlier,
I cam in and left and have to leave again for now BUT WILL be back later on friends
PS I also think the LE placed the camera there
at ants to be extra certain m doesnt try to get away, somehow..
as for bb, he is such a clown, the things he asks for his client are so weird.. all things considered.
Later friends!
yes bb would let m walk right out the back door!what a clown i agree cj .
2cents,
Thank you.
I sometimes have the case so heavy on my heart and want to read/talk about it - then come here to the one good place created to do just that - and find it’s near impossible to talk about the case.
I love a little humor - most of you know that - but a ‘little seasoning’ goes a long way.
If you can taste the meat for the seasoning, the dinner is not edible.
Jan and Simon write great articles, and I would guess they sometimes speedily get one up JUST for us because the other blogs get full and slow. I appreciate that.
I also appreciate all of you who share the love and concern for little Caylee, and I have respect for your opinions and speculation on the case.
**typo –CAN’T taste the meat for the seasoning–
Murder VS Manslaughter
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Killing another person is commonly referred to as murder. However, the precise term for the killing of one person by another is homicide. Murder is a form of criminal homicide that has a precise legal meaning. Murder is usually defined as the “unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought (or “an abandoned and malignant heart”). Malice aforethought refers to the perpetrator’s intention of doing harm.
There are different legal variations of murder, known as degrees. Degrees of murder vary by the gravity (seriousness) of the offense (usually measured by the intent of the perpetrator) and the sentence assigned to that offense. For example, murder in the first degree, or first-degree murder, carries the sternest sentences and is usually reserved for murders committed with premeditation or extreme cruelty.
Manslaughter is also a form of criminal homicide. The difference between murder and manslaughter is in the element of intent. In order to commit voluntary manslaughter, a person must have committed a homicide, but have acted in the “heat of passion.” This mental state must have been caused by legally sufficient provocation that would cause a reasonable person of ordinary temperament to lose self-control. To convict a person of manslaughter, it must be proved that the person who committed the homicide had adequate provocation (this cannot involve words alone), acted in the heat of passion, and lacked the opportunity to cool that passion. There must also be a connection between the incident of provocation, the heat of passion, and the act that caused the homicide.
Involuntary manslaughter is manslaughter resulting from a failure to perform a legal duty expressly required to safeguard human life, from the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to a felony, or from the commission of an act involving a risk of injury or death that is done in an unlawful, reckless, or grossly negligent manner. Involuntary manslaughter is a relatively new legal concept. Its exact definition varies greatly by jurisdiction, and is sometimes known as second- or third-degree manslaughter.
In order to convict someone of either murder or manslaughter, the distinct elements of each crime must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, and the actions of the perpetrator cannot be explained or excused by any legal defense, excuse, or justification. Murder and manslaughter also differ in the sentences imposed for each crime. As the perpetrator of manslaughter is assumed to have evidenced less mental culpability, the sentence for manslaughter is usually less than that for murder.
Sharon, you posed a good question earlier. Will Cindy be able or willing to tell the truth to the grand jury?
I doubt it.
I hope the prosecutor is well prepared to show what she said originally and how her story has changed since. I really do believe that any jury will be able to see through her lies whether they believe she’s just trying to protect her daughter or is in “denial” about the loss of Caylee or is trying to undermine the case because it’s not going “her” way. They’ll be able to see the lies just as well as we have.
i say murder in the FIRST degree for m!
BBL
sharon said,in October 9th, 2008 at 10:50 am how cruel m is really she wears the shirt and white glasses she stole with amy’s checks. i say burn her to the ground! how cold and callous.
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She probally won’t wear the sunglasses anymore.
disgusted,
I don’t know–she might wear the sunglasses just to get back at Amy for pressing charges against her. I love that she was wearing the hoodie she bought with Amy’s money when she was arrested.
Did you see the other little outfits she bought and now can’t wear? (her stipulations for being on house arrest says no revealing clothes) I did see a dark colored long sleeved cardigan in her purchase. Maybe she will wear that tomorrow morning if it’s cool enough. I really doubt she will wear the Caylee t-shirt to court.
Hi’all!
When is the momster due in court today?
cj,
did you happen to search for FL law on the different degrees of homicide above? For instance, do you know what the prison terms for each of those is? (first degree or capital murder, voluntary manslaughter, etc)
court is tomorrow morning Amy.
Hi!
Seems like the Defense is grasping for reasonable doubt with all these weird explanations of the evidence, pizza, rumored photos of Zenaida (undoubtedly too blurry to be identified), sightings of Caylee, surveillance of mystery kidnappers, etc. hoping that the jury wants to think Caylee is alive, because the alternative is just too horrible. I’ve also read a statement that young parents use Chloroform to make their children sleep and that people witnessed Casey doing this. I’d like to hear this testimony. Thanks for fixing this blog Jan, I felt like an intruder.
sharon,
I don’t think Cindy knows all the things she has said during this whole ordeal. She has spouted to the courts, to the press, on TV shows, in her yard—she can’t possibly remember everything she has said and be able to refute or confirm it.
Back in August (on the video) she was arguing with LE that she didn’t say they knew who had Caylee (and she did on NG)
I think they will find many inconsistencies in her testimony. And I think she will sit right there and try to argue that she didn’t say this or that.
val,
I think so too. Reasonable doubt.
Oh, my favorite was Cindy saying maybe the tow company put a body in the trunk. Wow, talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I hate when that happens.
Thanks, Gumshoe, for some reason, I thought it must of been today.
It must have been because of all the recent attention this case is getting in the press again.
If I was the Momster, I would start feeling a bit nervous.
Hi everybody,
Cannot wait till the outcome of tomorrow.
I have much more hope now that Caylee or significant parts of her will be found.
I think they are getting very close and might have found something already. Afterall, Monster left a nice road map by constantly talking on her cell phone.
I also wonder if the nut case motion by BB letting Monster search in secret was engineered so they would find the remains and muck with them before notifying LE.And ofcourse blame it on another person(s).
Hard to believe BB would be that stupid though.
If they do find Caylee, that statement by Monster that she talked to Caylee on the phone on the 15 or 16th of July would be extremely damaging if Caylee was long dead by that time.
Hello all.
I think they are going to the grand jury to avoid just turning over all the records bb wants in court. They don’t want to allow them access to it before they get the indictment. Also on Nancy Grace last night Padilla says they have theexact location by longitude and latitude of where the phone pinged in the woods because she texed Amy “I got rid o the dead animal in my car” I don’t trust what he says but I hope he is right about them finding her.
I think they are meeting so often to read textbooks and prepare her for what to say and how to say it to sound like she suffers from sexual abuse or battered woman syndrome or some other crazy defense.
Monster went to BB office this morning with C and monster was not wearing her “Find Caylee” shirt. Yeah!
Something is brewing. In orlando sentinel.
That would certainly explain why her parents are so willing to lie instead of seeking justice for their granddaughter. They don’t want to go down with her. People wonder what happened to Casey to cause this sociopath detached behavior.
I don’t think it is caused by outside people. G & C have alot to answer for but M is just that way on her own. Did they make mistakes and allow her to get out of control YES> Should they have seen more things along the way about her not having a job? yea I noticed that C & G had marital problems and I bet its because they argue over how to handle m. I think Moms have a harder time seeing the truth. I believe that C desperately needs to believe M because to not believe her means that Caylee is dead. I believe C cannot or will not face that now or maybe ever. I have had to face things with my children and as a mom I have always wanted to give them another chance or believe that this time they are oing to change. Now obviously my kids haven’t done anything like this but same concept. I don’t know what I would do if my grandchild were missing and presumed dead. then to have to face that my own child did it? I don’t know if I could do that and remain sane.
I also believe that BB is filling C & g especially C with all this “evidence” they have found doing their own investigation just to keep her on their side. He seems like a snake and I bet he wouldn’t think twice about using C and her desperation to believe that Caylee is alive. Who knows what all C & G are being told from everybody
Hi snookers.
Amy, I think she IS nervous - her asking to get out of the house to travel makes me think she wants a vacation before she has to sit in a jail cell for a while. Or forever.
C4C, I think you’re right about the grand jury reason being they want an indictment first before turning over evidence to BB.
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I don’t think Casey will testify ever. I don’t think Baez will let her hang herself on the stand. I think she will plead the fifth.
When you love someone you want to believe them, which makes it easy for a sociopath to manipulate friends and family. There are extreme early childhood traumas/abuse that have been linked to detachment or lack of bonding and there is also genetics. I’m sure Cindy has prayed every day that Casey would “outgrow” and mature out of these behaviors, like many kids in trouble. No parent could see this coming.
C4C,
I totally agree that BB is throwing out lifelines to G and C to keep them on his and Casey’s side. C, G & L are the only defense witnesses I can imagine he would have.
LE has 82 witnesses.
I agree that she won’t testify. I am afraid that M wants freedom to run. If that body is where Padilla says it (and M knows for sure) Then M and BB know it is just a matter of time and no jury is going to let her walk on this one. I believe that LE has enough to get a murder indictment. we all believe she is guilty and we are only seeing the evidence they aren’t presenting to the grand jury. There must be alot of evidence against m
BB WANTS DOCS THAT PROVE HIS CLINTS INNOCENCE. HMMMMMM WONDER WHAT THAT COULD BE?
HOPE U GUYS DON’T THINK THIS CRAP COULD GET ANY WORSE. SHE COULD BE PG. AS WE SPEAK.
mamabear,
I also would like to know what BB could possibly think LE has to prove her innocence.
They are building a homicide case. Why would they have *documented* evidence of her innocence to hand over?
If that happens it could be used for good. At least C would finally maybe begin to heal. Then she would rat out m totally.
Gumshoe, If BB thinks that C, G and LV are his only defense witnesses he’s in deep doo-doo (pardon the language folks!) Because they’ve already been subpeonaed by the prosecution!
(LOL!) Of course if they give the prosecution any trouble (and I’m sure they will) then the prosecution can just treat them as hostile witnesses.
MAMABEAR, I don’t know what PG is.?
PG. = PREGENT
OR HOW EVER U SPELL IT. LOL WITH CHILD.
ALSO……… THERE HAS BEEN POST ABOUT BB’S WIFE. WONDER IF THE WIFE WORKS IN THE OFFICE.
Thank you MAMABEAR! Dumb me.
Someone said that she would have had a pregnancy test - I think when she was arrested (first and/or second times I forget). Anyway now that she’s spent 6 hours a day 5 days a week at BB’s office AND now that I’ve realized that there is nothing to keep anyone from sneaking in BB’s back door - it could still be true!
If Mrs. BB did not work in the office before I bet she is now! LOL!
MAMABEAR - I’ve always liked the term “preggers.”
It’s British.
YES TO ALL THE ABOVE POST. AND ESP TO THE MINUS POST THAT LEAVE ME WITH A TYLENOL BREAKFAST EVERY MORNING FROM READING THE DAY BEFORE. AND THE CONFUSIN TO MY SORE BRAIN AND EYES. MAYBE TOMORROW MORNING I WILL WAKE UP WITHOUT THE HEADACHE.
Maybe bb’s wife has cameras at his office, then she has evidence of extramarital affair. Then when he sells the movie rights she can have a share of the wealth. Then after that she can tell her own movie story lots of dirty little secrets and all of that. would serve bb right.
C4C. AMEN. THIS CRAP IS A BOTTEMLESS PIT.
THIS IS SO FUNNY. EVERYTIME I CATCH UP, YA’LL COME TO A SCREECHING HALT. LOL
I know the feeling. It goes through quiet times
What do you think is the biggest piece of evidence against M.
I THINK MAYBE IT IS THE DEAD BODY IN THE TRUNK. YOU?
I think it is all the text messages that she sent.
C4C- the combo of not reporting the child missing (ever), lying to the cops 7/15 and 7/16 and the smell in the car (with all the lies she told about that). Maybe that’s not the kind of evidence you meant. But it’s what “does it” for me in my mind.
anyone could have planted the body in the car…. but her messages explaining away the smell, dumping the dead animal, no one can say she didn’t say those things.
VERY TRUE
I agree that the evidence all together is very powerful. I just wondered what people thought was the biggest piece of evidence. I think it will be interesting when they release the other evidence. My understanding is that any evidence that will be presented at grand jury isn’t released. So all the stuff we have seen, read, orheard about is just a drop in the bucket.
That does puzzle me. Even without the forensic proof, the trunk reeked of dead body and chloroform, but people keep saying maybe Caylee is somewhere else. Explain the death smell (not pizza).
MAMABEAR! LOVE YOUR 1:22 REPLY!
I’M STILL LAUGHING! THANK YOU!
I am betting they are hanging their hope on reasonable doubt. How can you convince a jury that M killed Caylee if there are sitings of her other places. Another problem is even if the body in the car is Caylee can they prove M alone is the only one that could have done it.
LOL M2C, WASN’T BEING FUNNY BUT RE-READ IT AND WAS KINDA DUMB HUH? LOL
HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THE ELISABETH FRITZL CASE?
Val - There are several theories.
But one that a number of people think is that M buried Caylee in her parents’ back yard for a while because the cadaver dogs hit on two spots in the yard which shows the presence of decomp. But no body was found there so we think M moved the body - putting it in the trunk until she could find a place to dump or bury it.
There was definitely the smell of decomp (NOT pizza) in the trunk and according to LE a stain and air samples that indicated decomp (meaning decomposition of the body).
Gumshoe said,in October 9th, 2008 at 11:30 am
no i havnet gums,
bbl
NO MAMABEAR. YOUR COMMENT WAS NOT DUMB. IT MADE ME LAUGH BECAUSE I’D HEMMED AND HAWED OVER MY ANSWER AND CAME UP WITH A COMPLICATED RESPONSE AND THEN READ YOURS WHICH JUST PLAIN SAID IT!
MADE ME SAY -TO MYSELF, “WELL, DUH! THAT’S RIGHT!”
CAN NOT EVEN THINK THAT SHE DROVE AROUND WITH HER DEAD BABY IN THE TRUNK. HOW MORBID IS THAT………….
THAT IS BEYOND SICK………
Her research of Chloroform and it being her car? No one has access to my car, much less the ones who have dead bodies. I would think that would at least narrow it down. Do they have to prove that she was acting alone? I don’t think she is noble enough to take the rap for someone else, and she obviously doesn’t intimidate easily.
MAMABEAR - I mean, why didn’t I think of that? Anyway, no I’m not following any other cases. This one has me wrapped around the axles as it is.
BBL
Yea but she was borrowing other’s cars also. Tony’s jeep, amy’s car. As long as the smell wasn’t too bad it woulnd’t have fazed her. But when it bugged her it was a problem. I think when she texrs Amy and talks about the dead animal that is truly all she sees this as.
WE ALL BE HUMAN M2C. WELL MOST OF US.
Mytwocents, makes sense to me! I trust cadaver dogs.
I agree that the dogs are right… but to get a conviction especially without a body, you have to be able to prove that only M could have done it. Yesterday there was a blog somehwere that suggested the C killed Caylee and hid her in the car and told M to go party and live the good life. Then she told G and he hid the body using the gas cans and framing M.
THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WE CAN FIGGER OUT BUT THEN THERE ARE THE “CASEYS” WHO HAVE NO RYHME NOR REASON.
WOW. CFC. WHAT A CONCEPT. HOWEVER THAT DON’T STICK IN MY BRAIN.
That would be a pretty entertaining defense, though, especially after Cindy tried to implicate Grund and Amy H. I think even Casey might mention she was being framed at this point though.
yea me either. I believe C & G are victims of M, although they are too emotional and it has made them do some STUPID THINGS. I have also read statements that indicate C is acting more like the mom of the missing child. WHich fits her irradict behavior. Also the suggestions that M was sexually abused by her dad or bro for years and that is why she did this to protect Caylee from them abusing her too. PLEASE I dont buy that theory either. Show me real evidence and not just a theory.
Some of these theory’s are just like the things M. makes up sound good until you look for facts and evidence. I know that emotional C & G haven’t done themselves any favors in the media, but I haven’t seen or heard in the transcripts anything other than jsut trying to convince themselves that the obvious isn’t true.
What bothers me is the ease at which that whole family lies. It’s a pattern established by families who keep secrets. How dark are their secrets?
What lies are you talking about specifically. Maybe there is something I missed.
Pizza, surveillance of known kidnappers, maybe she hit a dead animal (she says he did that), NOT wanting to show the credit receipts, phone records, saying the Zenaida call was on there, changing stories with the police, saying there was no argument that caused Casey to leave, those kind of lies off the top of my head. Getting the truth out of them is worse than pulling teeth.
I think the biggest piece of evidence is that she alone knew Caylee was missing 31 days and yet she partied, shopped, stole, had sex with several guys, was on the internet, and lied the entire time INSTEAD of looking for Caylee or reporting her missing.
Orlando Sentinel
Amy L. Edwards, Bianca Prieto and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
11:04 AM EDT, October 9, 2008
Today’s Updates
Jose Baez on the Today show this morning
11:40 a.m. Defense attorney Jose Baez was on the Today show this morning, where he told host Meredith Vieira that it would be a “pointless venture” for prosecutors to call Casey Anthony to testify at a grand jury proceeding.
Baez made the comment one day after reports surfaced that prosecutors will seek homicide charges against Anthony. An Orange County grand jury is scheduled to meet next week, starting Tuesday.
“I doubt they’ll call her, but if they do, I think it will be a pointless venture,” Baez said.
He said it’s Anthony’s right to not testify.
“I don’t think it’s in her advantage to testify in a proceeding where it’s a one-sided affair.”
Baez, speaking from Kissimmee, told the television host that detectives gave up on finding Caylee a long time ago.
“They’re out there focusing on trying to make a case against Casey,” he said.
When asked if he thought Anthony would be indicted for murder, Baez said, “I’m not a fortune teller.”
“We have been preparing for the worst and hoping for the best.”
Casey Anthony visits attorney
10:55 a.m. The day after news broke regarding possible homicide charges against Casey Anthony, she arrived at her lawyer’s office in Kissimmee without her usual Find Caylee T-shirt.
She and her mother, Cindy Anthony, arrived together at 10:45 a.m. Casey Anthony was clutching a notebook with the words ‘Media Coverage’ on the side.
Anthony’s black ankle monitor could be seen attached to her left leg. Neither woman spoke to the media when they arrived.
She has to be back at her parent’s Hopespring Drive home this afternoon
When asked if he thought Anthony would be indicted for murder, Baez said, “I’m not a fortune teller.”
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I could have guessed that. Had he been a fortune teller, I really think he would have passed up the Anthony case.
LOL, Isn’t he supposed to say something like, “Not when all the evidence is revealed!” Casey better look extra cute at that trial. Maybe she can put that camisole lingerie to good use.
Val. Please hear me on this point. I do agree the Ants have said and done some really dumb things but I think in interest of fairness we need to consider explanations.
Pizza—– C is trying to explain away the dead body theory because she now realizes if that was decomposition then it was Caylee and she will not allow her self to believe that.
Surviellance of known kiddnappers— I think C & G were convinced that Jeese or Amy had Caylee and for all we know they had family and friends watching them. or were trying to intimidate someone into turning in Caylee.
Not wanting to show reciepts— C believes that only M knows how to find Caylee so she is not going to help send her to jail because then they would never find Caylee. The phone records were all turned over to the police and the Ants voluntarily handed over laptops and other items the police requested 9other than credit card reciepts. ( I don’t think C wans to testify against her for money crimes when she could help find Caylee) I don’t believe it but I think it is important to realize that C probably does and has to to keep her sanity. I beleive that she truly loved Caylee and was more of a mother to her than the M.
Changing her story about no arguement that made M leave. That would be so she doesn’t have to feel guilty about causing this to happen to Caylee. If there was no arguement then M just left because not because of C. She also didn;t want to involve her parents( her dad is really sick) the arguement was over money that M stole from his trust fund.
After listening to BRo G & C interviews I felt they were honest. C was holding back or altering things to fit what she wants to believe and that is that M really did give that baby to someone else. I think the most convincing part for me was when the officers were talking to her about the body in trunck. You could hear the panick and denial in her voice. she kept asking are you looking for a dead Caylee or a live Caylee. I think that was honest and from her heart. I understand this opinion is not popular, but please give me your thoughts on why you think I am wrong,
“She and her mother, Cindy Anthony, arrived together at 10:45 a.m. Casey Anthony was clutching a notebook with the words ‘Media Coverage’ on the side.”
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So part of the defense is that the media coverage has made it impossible to try her–ask for the whole thing to be thrown out.
plan b: Ask for change of venue.
plan c: Say C was ‘under duress’ when sating all he “facts” to the media.
Was that the first time Cindy went with M to BB’s office?
I would think C & G would go to the count’s office. Maybe the count is at BB’s office too.
Both C & G ,especially C have to be briefed about the grand jury appearance. You cannot lie there. You end up with your a** in jail.
Guess, there will be many “I dunno’s ” from Cindy.
good afternoon girlfriends…idictment for the M next week ! i wonder if she now wants to make a deal
C4C—– THAT SOUNDS GOOD FOR ME.
Yea maybe they will change the venue to some place like switzerland or something. No where in U.S. will she find a jury that hasn’t heard about this case. But I do believe there are jurors who could be fair and impartial. Just because she is found guilty doesn’t mean that the jury was biased based on info in media.I think the media coverage stuff is just so they can figure out just what LE really knows to plan a story around it.
C4C,
I will add to your post above that a THERAPIST, that C was seeing for how to deal with Casey, advised C to kick Casey out and try to get custody of Caylee.
Bet that therapist is on the witness list for the prosecution.
(and val, I do understand your empathy for C & G. C is a mother with no frame of reference for how to deal with this. I don’t think she ever has grasped that her words could - and would - be used against her. I think she has just been babbling whatever has come to mind in defense of the whole situation.)
that’s right concerned, like NG pointed out last night to a caller, OJ was found not guilty in his first trial, and he had more media coverage than the caylee case
THIS IS A SITE FOR THE LIES:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Anthonys-Are-Liars.
HOPE WE CAN POST OTHER SITES. PLEASE DON’T DELETE ME.
hi bri! Peeps were looking for you last night.
snookers, I sure hope we can get some coverage of the grand jury next week.
They don’t televise a grand jury hearing, do they?
I didn’t say she didn’t have reasons for lying, just that they seem adept at it. If it is denial, that is a possibility, but G is a former police officer and should be pretty familiar with what’s credible evidence and how a dead body smells. Their lies seem almost reflexive to me because they aren’t always necessary or credible, which makes me wonder how habitual it is. Conducting their own investigations, not sharing all the info with investigators at this point seems pretty fruitless. Maybe their reasons just don’t seem good enough to me.
You are right gumshoe. As an unknown bystander I don’t have a frame of reference either. My son thinks I am obssessed with this case and need to let it go. He is right about the obssessed part. I read lot and stay informed about politics and things in the world, but there is something about this case that will not just let me move on. Maybe it is the horrible injustice to Caylee. Maybe I am wanting to believe that some where the system really does work. I think M. destroyed alot of lives in this whole ordeal. I bet C & G wind up divorced, bb might too (serves him right), Bro relationship with one or both parent could be ruined, not sure how the relationship with C & G’s parents is either. One grandma has to deal with a terminal husband, missing money to care for husband, nuttso granddaughter, deceased great granddaughter and a daughter who just might go over the edge before this is all said and done. You never hear anything from or about G’s parents. The media and some people will forever blame G & C no matter what. I hate it that all M does is smile, pretend to be innocent and party when no one is looking.
hi gumshoe girlfriend…i didn’t feel to good yesterday, and wednsdays is when mini marathons of ghost hunters is on sci fi, so i logged off to watch that show…i hope everything is televised, but even if it’s not we’ll still get the media coverage and what was said etc…unless the judge bans the media from the court room
Surely Count has been advising C & G on Grand Jury Etiquette?
Gumshoe,
No, never seen a grand jury meeting televised or even reported on. Just the outcome only. No/yes indictment. Thought that some of it can be used in subsequent trial though by defense.
Val in G’s interview he does tell the police that the smell bothered him. He says he was in law enforcement and that it concerned him very much. He also told the police that M wouldn’t let him near the trunk of the car and threw the gas cans at him an uttered some not very nice words at him. Most of the media stuff has come from C not G. Yes when pressed about Caylee being dead he reacts and spouts off a bit but that is a grandpa talking not a cop or excop. Remember anything he says C will hear and he has to sleep next to her. That house has got to be filled with tension everyday.
Gumshoe,
That why is was wondering why Cindy went to BB this morning. His defense will surely have negative stuff about C & G in order to drum up empathy from a jury for M. What else does he have?
WHO IS COUNT?
grand jurys are met in private, it will not be on television and I don’t think they will release any of the testimony either. It remains confidential. To the best of my knowledge, and it could vary from state to state. I am in Texas
hi Gums
I SURE don’t think you’d have to be a fortune teller to KNOW that M could be indicted for murder…
the man, BB has NO coMmon sense, if he did, he wouldnt have EVER taken on m’s case!!
furthermore, the LE most assuredly HAS been searching for Caylee, yes they have always hoped for the best in finding her, only recently they outright stated they don’t believe she is alive and to this date with EQ out there trying to “find’ Caylee!
looks like bb’s a liar, nO WONDER he and m get along so well, LOL
COUNT = Count Dracula - our name for Mark Nejame, the criminal defense attorney that C & G hired.
Sorry Mamabear.
Mark LeJame attorneyu for the Anthony’s.
mamabear, everyone is calling C&G’s attorney the count cause he looks like dracula LOL
concerned, so it could be several weeks to learn of the grand jury out come ?
I bet bb wanted to meet with C do give her more false hope and fill her with doubt so she doesn’t sell M out in the hearing next week. Did they show video of it. Did they look all smiles or strained and just keeping up appearances? M will never crack, C on the other hand is read to crack like an egg. It will be devasting for her I think when they find the body. Then she will take the gloves off and go at M with all she has. In her interview she even says ” I don’t care where m is All I care about is where Caylee is at”
The more BB opens his mouth, the more I think Monster has no prayer at a trial.
They deserve each other.
Gumshoe - That notebook with Media Coverage on the front is M’s scrapbook! That’s what she’s been doing in BB’s office all day! Scrapbooking herself! LOL
snookers, it’s the “no/yes” that the family seems not to know how to do. Their answers are begun before the whole question has been asked and then the answer is so elaborate and detailed - sprinkled with absolutely, actually, certainly, positively, and definitely - that it’s no wonder BB doesn’t want Casey to testify. C will be enough to make a mess.
val, G did state to LE that when he smelled the odor from the trunk, he was terrified that either Casey or Caylee were dead in there.
No the outcome will be immediate. If they indict her she will be arrested, or if they don’t it will be back to the drawing board for LE. What we will have to wait for is what actually comes out in the hearing… evidence, statements and stuff. Especially if BB gets a gag order preventing individuals from talking about their testimony.
LOL @ 2cents ! that was funny about the scrap book !
2C !! You may just be right about that being her scrapbook! She does love the attention.
Should we send her a new book from all the bloggers to write in and scrapbook while she is in prison?
C4C at 1:45 Whoever wrote that blog about C and G being responsible for the murder and burial no doubt works for that moronic PR firm that Baez hired. Sounds like something they’d cook up. But I will bet that C & G get thrown under the bus by BB and M if it suits them!
That is a great idea Gumshoe. It would really be “thoughtful” for us to give her something to think about for the rest of her life.
M had on her stolen sunglasses this morning. No rosary beads anymore but a picture of Caylee was hanging on her media binder.
BB is a nut the way he lets her dress in front of the media.
Yes, Gumshoe! A great “Going to Prison” present! But at the top of each page we should print:
Life in Prison for Murder - Day 1
Life in Prison for Murder - Day 2
(you get the picture)
hey snookers, bri and all,
another thing
i don’t care HOW in shock or grief stricken this family of m’s is,
THAT IS NOOOO EXCUSE FOR LYING!!
Snookers - one of the stills from a video of her that they showed frequently last night (might have been the night she was re-arrested at her home) clearly showed her wearing a cross pendant. I would so very much like to rip that off her neck. It’s sacriligious!
2cents
You are right but it isn’t the attorneys who came up with that idea. In one of M’s texts to amy she tell her that she thinks G hit something and killed it when he borrowed her car but it is starting to smell like something died. M herself has already set up the idea that someone else (G) had access to that car. This was all before Caylee was even reported missing hence no attorney
concernedforcaylee said,in October 9th, 2008 at 2:50 pm No the outcome will be immediate. If they indict her she will be arrested
YES!!!!
M is 22 and an adult, NOT A MINOR. Nobody can hold C & G responsible for the murder in IMO. No matter what has happened in the past.
hi cj, i agree, but also convinced it’s C that the family learned to lie from…G is the only one of them who seems to able to tell the truth for the most part even though he does have his moments of denial
C4C at 2:57 Very very good point. Awful thought!
But of course she would want to blame her dad. She hates him.
M will try to bring any and everyone down with her
2C,
I think each of us bloggers need to make one scrapbook page each and have it ready to send to her in the slammer. I have saved some of the most disgusting of the photos.
I also have saved some of the most precious of Caylee.
Gumshoe - maybe ALL the photos in the scrapbook should be of Caylee. Everything!
NOTHING about M. She’ll hate it. Too bad.
gumshoe ? will M have access to a pc on death row ?
I think that C was under tremendous pressure for the whole month prior to the initial call to police. She has been frantically trying to find Caylee, calling friends and everything. When the car is found her fear goes into overtime. Hence when she made the 911 calss she was reacting out of fear and instinct. which usually makes you honest. Later still under pressure she has to explain all the stuff away to the media and convince herself. no easy task with all the evidence there. If C is the one that taught them to lie so well why does she stink at it. I think her emotional state for the last 5 months or so has really affected her judgement and rational thoughts. She was seeing a therapist as gum pointed out, there was a big fight with m, then she spends a month not seeing Caylee, now there are nothing but questions and m is lying at every turn. now the evidence indicates that Caylee is dead> what is a grandma/mom to do.
I think M hated her dad because she couldn’t fool him. If you look at all the people she kept in her life it was people she could con. when they couldn’t be conned anymore she ditches them. If G were convicted of it then M would have C all to herself and all her money and the house.
C4C - I think this grandma/mom needs to get back to a therapist and start facing facts including what an abomination her daughter is. That’s the beginning of healing.
THANKS E1
G and C both identified the dead body smell, but then changed it later. G said it was cleaning fluid and pizza, and then said Casey “might” have run over something. The day they retrieved the car they were being honest which is why I found the lies so odd. They also KNOW their kid, so why do they claim to believe her at all? That is why the cover up seems more deliberate than denial to me.
val, i agree with you
you are right C needs tons of therapy. I am not sure there is a good enough therapist or enogh time and medication for her to really ever recover. I look at my own life with my children and when one makes a mistake it is so hard to get over especially when it goes against what I believe in. (They have never been arrested) I can’t imagine having to come to terms with I gave birth to and raised a monster. I know i have asked myself where did I go wrong that I didnt teach them better. I must have messed up somewhere. Bottom line is it boils down to making choices. My child may have chosen to do something stupid and it had little if anything to do with me. No matter what C & G might have done wrong as parents( barring some horrible tourture and abuse) they are not responsible M just made a horrible choice.
I think C has been under enormous pressure for years with her daughter( or rather an omen) from hell.
In the end both C & G will be better off with Monster in jail for many years.
Hey Sabrina,
i was outside w/hubby closing down/covering our pool for winter, be here for a bit..
yeah C is a gREAT liar for sure
BUT SHE DIDNT lie when she called 911 and reported she wanted her daughter arrested for stealing their car and money,
NOR did she lie when she called 911 about the smell of a dead body in her ‘ daughers’ car..
yA KNOW WHAT??
HOW COME CD WAITED 31 DAYS TO CALL COPS IN THE FIRST PLACE??
DOESNT THAT SEEM “ODD’ TO YOU????
to the media G & C are making stupid excuses but on tape to LE enforcement G doesn’t change his sotry at all. Maybe they believe that if they do what M wants then she will bring Caylee back home. The attorney is also filling there heads with reason to doubt LE. Claiming there is a picture of M with Caylee and the babysitter? He is working hard to convince them of M’s version of the truth. You can bet he can be convincing (all lawyers are good at conning) and their hearts are going to want to believe him and not LE.
HOW COME ‘C’ WAITED 31 DAYS TO CALL COPS IN THE FIRST PLACE??
DOESNT THAT SEEM “ODD” TO YOU????
who is CD
because she talked to M every day she wasn’t missing. Legally M had right to have custody of Caylee. There would have been no reason to call. Oh hello officer I had a fight with my daughter and now she won’t let me see my granddaughter>
I do find G more credible than C. I loved the interview with Greta where he told about the gas cans. The look C gave him!
cj, it does seem odd to me…i think C was trying to find M, i remember when C found out about M stealing from her fathers old folks fund that she asked her father to not press charges and she would pay him back herself…then went on the hunt for M…again my point is never allowing M to answer for her mistakes, over indulged her and spoiled her, i think that’s why M turned out to think she’s entitled to do what ever she wants and also thinks she should be able to get away with it…the rules don’t apply to her
c4c
humm, i do NOT think a mother who KNOWS she has a “psycho” daughter and who LOVES her Grandaughter like C supposedly did, would WAIT THAT LONG!!!
I am going to have to go pick up my son from school but I will be back on later. I think we should all remember that hindsight is 20/20 Maybe the reason it seems so stupid and crazy to us is that we have all the facts together. C & G didn’t have any of the facts in the begining. I admit I don’t know how I would react in this situation. God willing I will never know.
yeah i hear ya for sure bri,
STILL though,
I WOULD NEVER wait THAT LONG!!
C’s first biggest mistake.
You need legal grounds to notify police of missing person. THere was none. and there was no evidence to support the M was crazy or unstable prior to this unfolding. Everyone, friends and all said that she seemed normal, took care of her daughter and all that. Either everyone is lying or maybe the signs weren’t there. who knows maybe I am wrong and just want to believe that…..
i wouldn’t have waited so long cj…i would have got very suspicious after M telling C so many lame excuses to why caylee couldn’t come to the phone
c4c yes hindsight is always 20/20..
BUT nonetheless NOT getting to speak with her own Granddaughter all that time, it should have sent up red flags…
bri,
yeah, MOST PEOLE would have called,
C DID state her daughter was a SEVERE mess long before m committed this heinous act!!
I think it did send up red flags… but the police can’t legally do anything about red flags. There was no factual reason to believe that Caylee was in danger. ( at the point) so please don’t hate what I am saying. IF there was evidence I think C would have used it. Seems to me like the one thing she did stay focused on was Caylee. Not even worried for M I think she had written her off already. She was thinking about getting custody of Caylee but until she did there was nothing LE it could.
Where’s Cat today?
C&G had to know how bad off M is, she didn’t become a pathological liar over night, M has been like that for a very long time possibly started as a child…i think it was gumshoe who told us how M would take her dog into the neighbors yard to use the bathroom, the neighbors would confront her and M would lie about it, she would say it wasn’t her dog even after the neighbors stood there and watched her dog do the deed on their lawn, M was very young when that happened, the neighbors said M has always been like that
cj, I know it doesn’t make sense that Casey had so much access time to Caylee without checking on who was taking care of her every day. Perhaps Cindy was abnormally conditioned to be tolerant of Casey’s behavior over years. Every one had survived up until this point and I have personally witnessed mothers who trust beyond reason so I know the mindset.
She did say that Casey called her every day which might have been enough to reassure her that Caylee was fine; Casey knows how to manipulate her mom. As a parent of an honest child, I still automatically double checked any information so this whole thing has no logic IMO. If I had any inkling that I had a child who lied, their lives would be better documented than the FBI.
I get that part..how does gunshoe know that. I haven’t seen that anywhere. But it is still a big jump from lying about things to killing your child. I don’t think anyone saw this coming. C & G worked to support both M and her beautiful daughter. Its not like they were gone on holiday or something.
oh and when NG asked C about the dog poop, C said that was a lie, they never owned just one dog, they had always owned two LMAO ! there for C backing up her daughters lie
bri, you wrote;
“M would take her dog into the neighbors yard to use the bathroom, the neighbors would confront her and M would lie about it, she would say it wasn’t her dog even after the neighbors stood there and watched her dog do the deed on their lawn, M was very young when that happened, the neighbors said M has always been like that”
humm JUST LIKE C will DENY Caylee is dead, EVEN if they present her withe poor Caylee’s decomposed body..
c4c
Everyone’s thoughts count, i was just trying to also make my point that
I KNOW myself I would have called LE MUCH SOONER as regards not speaking to my Granddaugter.. C could ahve said soemthing like;
i have a psycho daughter who took off with my granddaughter, they both LIVE here but have vanished, I have not spoken with my granddaughter for X number of days,
please understand I AM THE ONE WHO FEEDS and CLOTHES AND CARES for my granddaughter, so this is NOT a typical situation here!!!
it may not have been gumshoe, i really can’t remember, catherine might remember that night…it may have been chsah
I know my defense of them is unpopular. But trust me I am not saying that I think C is perfect and hasn’t made plenty of mistakes, because I do believe she has made some mistakes. I would also like to think I am smart enough that if the police presented me the evidence I would wizen up. But I guess i want to remember that until I have actually walked in her shoes I don’t want to judge her harshly.
brb ladies, i’ll be eating something and reading the blog for a bit
Sabrina at 3:28 - I think you’re right. By the time C was ready to do something about it she couldn’t find M anymore. Even if she did talk to her everyday it wasn’t getting her what she wanted which was to see Caylee. And C didn’t know where she was staying. She only found out when she found Amy’s number in M’s car on July 15th and called Amy.
I think there was a tug of war going on between C and M - each having one of little Caylee’s arms. So when M went missing with Caylee, C very naturally probably thought that M was punishing her by not letting her see the child. I really don’t think C ever considered the possibility that M could hurt Caylee until at the very end of that time - maybe on July 15 when they got the car back.
like some have said, who woulda ever thought…. m’s problems could lead to murder,
well IF anyone knew what m was capable of, it was C!!
on another thought,Catherine where are you today?
2cents, you certainly have a point there, M was jealous of her own daughter, possibly for reason of the money C&G were spending on caylee, which meant less money for herself
Man, I would not have want to be a dog in that household with a sociopath running around.
Guess they have no dogs anymore. Never saw one lately. Only on pictures with Caylee.
cj, i think catherine will be on later, she mentioned she had a business date this evening
C4C…………. I SEE WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM.
OK thanks bri
i have to leave soon and run errands myself.
Sabrina - M was jealous of the money, attention and love that C gave Caylee. Like M said about the cops “All they care about is finding Caylee.”
OMG you guys, I finally figured out how to find you…
bri - hi - monster was totally jelous of caylee on every level possible…
yeah M really showed her true colors when she said all they cared about was finding Caylee..
2cents i hear ya with your thoughts on the tug of war thing going on, and it cost Caylee her life, so sad..
cj, i might log off for a bit myself and come back on after NG…2cents that’s right,and what a shame that M couldn’t handle for anyone to love and suport her child,most mothers would accept all that and be happy to get it for their child
Anybody wonder what happened to the dog(s)?
Those humans were in the dolphin’s territory, right?
I don’t want to think about it - being an animal lover.
- Sorry to stray from the topic for a moment -
But there is an article on wesh.com about a dolphin that jumped out of the water (as dolphins do) and landed on a lady on a boat. Knocked her out. Tail landed on her husband. End of story.
I wrote to wesh and said “What happened to the dolphin?????”
I mean let’s get our priorities straight here, folks!
hi caylee angel…ya know, i’ve heard of fathers being jealous of the attention the mother shows toward her children, but never a mother being that way, it seems un natural to me…how goes it today ?
tomorrows a big day but not as big as the whopper that’s coming
ONE OF THE NEIGHBOR’S TESTMONY IS WHERE I SAW ABOPUT THE DOG POOP
bri - SSDD I guess…surviving…You? I know, i hear ya bout the fathers/kids…cause moms are so doting on their kids…least the ones that have a love and connection…I would love to know when she started planning this…and I do believe c and g could have so easily saved baby’s life
MY DAUGHTER TRIED TO WITHHOLD MY GRAND KIDS FROM ME. WHEN THINGS GOT BAD FOR HER SHE WOULD MOVE BACK HOME AND I HAD MY BABIES BACK. SHE TRIED THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES.
mama - she ok now?…
Casey never separated as an independent adult, so there could have been a sibling rivalry dynamic. As C told Grund, Casey never graduated, no job, no future, and then their was precious Caylee.
cj, as for how long M was planning the murder, it would be anyones guess, but i think it probably crossed her mind many times, it was the choking of her neck by C is what pushed her hand, it may be said that C had already told M that she was gonna get custody as well, and M wasn’t about to let that happe…it’s like you said the other night, she didn’t want caylee but wouldn’t allow anyone else to have her
2cents, lol loved it, what happened to the dolphin, i would want to know too
you know awhile back there gal on a boat who was killed when a stingray jumped out of the water, struck her and they both died.
val good point..she never learned how to be a mom c was too busy coddling her and taking over as opposed to teaching her.
bri - yes…I don’t want her but will keep her from you too…just like a crazed ex that won’t let go of his ex …so he kills her
Off-topic note to cj (apologies all)
cj - Good glory. Had not heard that story. Used to think I was pretty safe in a boat (if it didn’t sink) If I find out about the dolphin I’ll let you know.
yes caylee angel, or just like the ex’s that set their ex spouses on fire or throw acid in their face, they want to make sure no one else will ever want them, then they try to claim how much they loved them…sickos
bri - casey is no different…she is just trying alot harder then anyone else in history to get away with it…
I wonder how much of all of this the womens prison knows…they must be planning their little welcome for monster…planning details now…
cj - 8′ - 9′ dolphin landed on bow of 18′ boat and was flopping around. Guy pushed it back into the water. He’s probably okay. I hope. The dolphin I mean. The guy’s fine.
caylee angel, me and hubby were talking about that last night, i hope she gets manslaughter and put in gen pop where the inmates can take care of properly lol
bri - is there no protective custody if it’s manslaughter..??
PUT THAT IN THE SCRAP BOOK. LMAO
If it’s murder and protective or manslaughter and proper justice…I’ll take the latter
hmmm, i don’t think so caylee angel…remember what happened to dahmer, even if there is protective custody, sh*t happens…oh well, say le ve !
Sadly in death..caylee has all the unconditional love from the world that she only wanted from her own family…burn in hell anthony’s…
I’m still a little confused because there are so many charges against her and more to come hopefully. But what’s going on with the economic charges? Has a court date been set for a trial on that? BTW In addition to five paper checks, detectives said Anthony wrote an electronic check to AT&T for $574. Probably for her cell phone bill. You all probably knew that but it escaped me.
LOL @ mambear ! we really should add that to the scrap book ! lol
did dahmer die in prison…
caylee~angel - I’d bet dollars to donuts that the women now in Florida’s prisons know as much or more about the case as we do!
caylee~angel - He was brutally murdered by inmates. He expected it. (really)
i don’t know about all the other charges 2cents, i imagine those are the last things detectives are thinking about right now…but if M gets life in prison, than what would be the point of the other charges ?
mytwo - laughs out loud…your prob. right…and that puts a big ol smile on my face
OH! ALSO THINK THE PRISONERS ARE WATCHING THIS. IF NOT THEY HEAR ABOUT IT FROM THEIR KIN WHEN THEY VISIT. MAYBE GARDS
Hi all,
Took me awhile of reading in order to find you, but I made it.
Just been listening to CNN and they just said that BB has told M to “prepare for the worst”. CNN reported that BB doesn’t think that LE has anything that indicates that Caylee is dead. Looks like M and BB are starting to sweat a little.
I also have been wondering about when homicide charges are laid against M, if when C has to take the stand to testify, how C will manage her answers around what she said on her 911 call that Caylee is missing and the car smelled like a dead body. I also bet that when M is hard pressed at trial, M will go on the attack and blame C for what has happened. One thing though, at trial, M will provide more lies to help explain her actions.
oh caylee angel, dahmer got his skull bashed in
Sabrina - Since it will be quite a while before a homicide trial is completed she could be in jail serving time for the check fraud which would suit me fine.
bri - depends on if she gets possible parole in 25…which is less on good behaviour….Fraud charges ONTOP of man or capital will make sure that she NEVER gets out..evil murdering thief gone good or not
Hi bri, hie caylee-angel, hi m2c.
yes bri, so right, your 4:15 post,
well..i need to go for now, will return though later after ng friends!
(Nice chatting with you All!)
bri - seems so very long ago…i do hope they only put her in a wheel chair or something..she needs to spend the next 50 years in prison..death would be too easy…just hurt her alot…
coolmoss - hey!
i see, 2cents and caylee angel…but if they decide to charge M with murder/manslaughter, then won’t she go back to jail for that ? i really don’t think M will last 25 yrs in prison, someone will kill her sooner than that…but then again, susan smith is still alive
hi coolmoss, sorry i missed your post…good point coolmoss
Hi c-a! Lots of reading on the blog …. Yesterday, I had decided to not blog anymore but saw Simon and Jan’s posts re the arguing and thought I would try it again as there are lots of kind-hearted and smart folks posting here and I would miss that.
Things are starting to move again. I am looking forward to hearing what the judge will say tomorrow about M getting out to “search”.
coolmoss: I doubt M will speak at her own (criminal) trial. It’s her right not to and she’d be very wise to take advantage of that. But BB may not be able to keep her from it.
I doubt that M will be called before the grand jury. Does anyone think she would be?
And she would not have to talk then either, would she?
two cents…yes I thank casey monster for doing all her little dirty deeds and theiving…gives justice a really comfy cushion..especially with all the proof she did it..she thought she was so smart…
Got away with murder and my baby is decomposing every day I lie, so in the meantime I will buy a case of beer…
yes, casey will sit in jail NOT at home on fraud…no need for a body on the fraud…cheques, cameras, goods, and signatures..bye bye casey
DO YOU THINK THEY MAY ARREST HER TOMORROW FOR MURDER?
cool moss - Glad ya stayed…Dont’ let anyone run you outta here…we’ll get em’ first..
coolmoss, i’m sort of on the fence about M searching, on one hand i think she might lead detectives to where caylee is, or on the other hand she might try to destroy evidence
mamabear…I wish but what would the grand jury be for then?
I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL HERE WHO WERE THINKING ABOUT NOT READING HERE. I WAS MYSELF.
Sabrina - You’re right. If she’s arrested on a homicide charge then back to jail she goes.
To me it would be nice if she paid some kind of price for the theft, though. Especially after flaunting her stolen purchases in front of the media!!! (Sweat shirt and sunglasses)
I’m afraid she might get off with probation or something since it was only $700 - $1,300 (not sure of amount) and I assume her first offense.
bri - leopard never changes her spots.
WELL, POOT CJ. I SURE WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
I don’t think BB would want her to testify but M is very full of herself and I can see her pressuring him to let her. It would be suicidal if she did as M is a loose canon.
I’m not sure about a grand jury as I am Canadian and our judicial system is a little different from the US.
mamabear, i don’t think that will hapen tomorrow, most likely one day next week, i think NG said as early as teusday
uhm…probation? She has felony charges..
coolmoss - I thought I was lone Canadian…eh!
cool..
MEANT CA
I know I am losing patience too…this a really big carrot for us to chew..
c-a, I noticed on beasts site that you were cdn last night.
mamabear, glad you and others still post and glad I am doing it too. These are really good discussions.
what’s cdn ?
oh bri - Canadian…LMAO
ah, ok i get it now lol
THANKS! HAS BEEN A NICE DAY IN HERE TODAY.
Yeah, typing cdn doesn’t really break down well does it!
i wonder who else we have in from out of the country, i would love to get input from people every where
bri - minnie is from Ireland I think…
cool ..yah..secretive code for us igloo’ers..
coolmoss where ya from..I’m in Ontario
thanks 2cents for letting me know, ok back later gators!!
mytwocents said,in October 9th, 2008 at 4:24 pm cj - 8′ - 9′ dolphin landed on bow of 18′ boat and was flopping around. Guy pushed it back into the water. He’s probably okay. I hope. The dolphin I mean. The guy’s fine.
and from the beautiful NOVA SCOTIA
I’m from the Southern interior of BC.
coolmoss - need renters…burn…hubby and I want to move out west so bad….
(sorry guys, but it is slow..)
i’m a bama gal as in sweet home alabama lol
coolmoss - did I mention the 5 kids..????..ROTFL
bri - your sweet alright
caylee angel, no worries, i’m the last person to complain, and most likely the worst for posting non issue posts
bri - see i said ya were sweet..and I was right
caylee~angel: I know probation sounds ridiculous. It’s just that I don’t trust juries or even judges so that’s my fear. That she’ll get off virtually scott free on the economic charges. I know it sounds like a big deal - 3 counts per check; 13 counts including felonies etc. But a jury or judge could say look for $700 - $1300? Enron stole more and those guys didn’t get 60 years, you know? (Or maybe they did but you get my point about the difference)
lol caylee angel…thanks
mytwo - ya I get your point…ya just never know…been to court with ex on child support twice..SAME JUDGE
Ate him alive the first time
Threw me to the gators with no evidence from him the second time…
Anything is possible…but when you think about how corrupt the judicial world can be it just might play out to our advantage with monster…praying..
i’ll be back a little later, probably after NG goes off…i need something sweet to eat, i’m freezing and my heart is racing, tells me my suger level is down, and i’m out of test strips, so i’ll ony eat a few bites then see how i feel…see ya’s later
Sabrina - I think both ideas are right.
That M might lead detectives to the body (if she was “sure” she wasn’t being followed ) and that if she did you bet it would be so she could destroy evidence.
There may be some other kind of evidence elsewhere too - like a bottle of chloroform that a former roommate has not yet discovered hidden in their apartment. Who knows what she’d do?
What really really worries me is if no one has been watching BB’s back door couldn’t a friend of M’s come in and visit and be sent on an “errand” to get rid of evidence? She’s probably had a phone and PC in there all this time too.
bye sweetie…eat some choc. for me please
WHY DO YOU THINK M HAS ANY FRIEND’S
TWO CENTS..MONSTER has had WAY TOO MUCH FREEDOM…why the hell would they COMPRAMISE any evidence..but then again…why the hell is on house arrest and going to bozos for 5 hours a day…it’s all anyones guess…
I THINK SHE WANTS TO HAVE SECRET “HUNT” SO SHE CAN GO PARTY ONE MORE TIME.
M has no REAL friends…never has…cause she is a fake herself..
I HAVE HEARD SHE DOES HAVE A FEW FANS THO.
I think she wants to go hunting to make herself look good and it was not her idea…bozo is trying to have a jury have sympathy for her ….too late I think
mama - oh yes fans that only want to screwww her …nobody wants her..
Have you guys heard the latest and greatest?
Lee A refused to give DNA for testing - they had to obtain a warrant and get it that way.
Can anyone confirm?
I’m hoping she does not have the kind of friends who would help her cover up but who knows? And the fans MAMABEAR mentioned could be just as bad - willing to do something just to be involved. I think the police should investigate what exactly has been going on at that office all this time! Certain info might have lawyer/client privilege but a list of visitors to the office (if there was one).
Oh, well. Probably nothing can be done about it now if LE didn’t think of it before.
desertrose…are you kidding me..i’m gonna puke..If true, my feelings on the quiet one…were right…
HADN’T HEARD ABOUT DNA FROM LA. DID THEY MAKE HIM HAVE A TEST? AND ON WHAT GROUNDS COULD THEY GET DNA FROM HIM? HMMMMMMM
wftv.com is reporting that M’s father is going to testify against her at the grand jury
– “Detectives think they have a solid case against Casey Anthony and Eyewitness News found out Thursday that Casey’s own father will testify against her in front of Orange County’s grand jury next week.”
DR - Where did you hear that about LV and DNA test?
I was just chatting with at nostoneleftunturned.com, which is another search team looking for Caylee. This is what i was told about the latest developments.
Still trying to confirm, but i wouldn’t doubt it.
twocents - damage is done if there were any…If she were at her house on arrest like she suposedly is…would she be able to have any one in the house she wants? If so, the bozos office would be the same? Yes/NO..lol
SURELY THEY GAVE HIM SOMETHING TO DRINK DURING TESTAMONY. BOTTLE OF WATER?
hold the tomatoes guys- still looking for the confirmation of this
DR - ya know we are biting at the bit here…
suspicious grounds?
lol Caylee~Angel
c-a, bri: Sorry, but on phone with son so not able to reply.
I went on a (”supposed”) M myspace site last night and saw comments both pro and con towards M. Seems there is always someone who feels the need to connect to an infamous person, even M. I can’t figure out why, but those kind of folks seem to have a need to interact to have their needs met.
I am still trying to confirm - so disregard until then - i guess
Sorry guys
DR..gonna start smashing those toe-mats
THIS IS INTERACTING NUFF FOR ME. LOL
DR - don’t apologize hon…you shook up the room…it’s all good…
mama - huh?
Wow, G testifying at grand jury against M! Good for him.
Interesting about LV and DNA test. I bet there is a stack of things that LE have had in reserve that we don’t know about.
Go G Go - I knew he would stand up for caylee
DR - how ya doing there..????…LMAO
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Hi guys..Just popped in for a minute, I will come back later tonight to chat…I just wanted to say I am extremely surprised but happy about the father testifying against monster…Is this confirmed? Or rumor? I just had a feeling his cop instincts would kick in sooner or later and he’d do the right thing.
All I can say to this now..is I can only imagine what stress is under that household right now. That certainly must be a house divided if they are all still staying there together…it must be extremely strained with this announcement. Anyone know whose side C will be on if this comes to pass?
Lee also refused the polygraph; interesting. He has an odd sense of humor, laughing about the trunk smell. He also had a FB picture holding a distressed Caylee and commenting that he had scared her. He was laughing then too. Just an observation.
Have you guys seen this from wftv.com
Casey Anthony’s Father To Testify Against Her In Front Of Grand Jury
It was also mentioned in the room i was just in - Lee is Georges son
-Casey is George & Cindy’s daughter
So Casey and Lee are only half bro/sis ??
Can anyone confirm that?
Yep, I would not want to have to live in the ant’s house right now given what is going on.
THEY DO HAVE CAYLEE’S DNA? I GET SO CONFUSSED. DID THEY SAY THE HAIR WAS CAYLEE’S?
Since C went to BB’s office today with M who was NOT wearing a Caylee t-shirt then I’d say that C is siding with M. I sure hope George lives thru the weekend or somebody puts him up in a motel.
“George and Cindy Anthony voluntarily gave up DNA samples this week so investigators could scientifically exclude either of them as the source of the hair and stain in Casey’s trunk, but investigators had to get a search warrant to get Casey’s brother Lee to submit to a DNA test. He also has refused to take a lie detector test for the FBI.”
*WFTV.com
Why do you think Lee didn’t want to give up his DNA?
Could it be true? Casey + Lee = Caylee?
They were on their way to a divorce before all this happened….
The mother C now knows that Caylee is gone? Is this why you state she had no Caylee shirt on today? I cannot believe that she will still back her daughter in this horrible fiasco! When will she wake up and smell the coffee?
Didn’t the prosecution subpoena both C and G? I don’t think they have a choice.
Thank you Amy!
That is very strang too that Lee will not give up Dna…I wonder if he smokes? They could tail him and wait for a discarded ciggarette butt.
Yeah, they determined the hair was caylee, because C gave hair from Caylee to investigators.
Welcome, DR!
They had to submit a warrent for Lee but not C & G…
However, the pressure is mounting?
Do you think perhaps, G is thinking, why should he go to jail for lieing?
wow - you know after all is said and done - this girl deserves a swift kick you know where - teeth!
She has insulted the nations intelligence with these charades.
It was only a matter of time
hhmmmm! I thought something was off with LEE..he stayed out of the limelight TOO much…like don’t look at ME..
I wondered why he had to make a point to LE when talking about the smell of the trunk when he walked in the garage that it was the “first time I ever smelled it”…maybe LEE helped her with caylee…
I saw in one of the interigation videos Lee drinking our of a paper cup? Hope the OCSO saved that cup?
I think Grandpa is D-O-N-E with her, and this entire fiasco.
As evident by him testifying.
But actually, If he was subpoenaed by the prosecution - he really didn’t have a choice in the matter
Isn’t that the truth, CA
And DR, I’ve felt the same way. She’s made every person in this case feel insulted? And yet she has the friggin nerve to ask to travel to Mexico and PR to search for Caylee based on sightings? SOunds like she wants to get as far from the US as possible? Don’t you think? I
DR - I heard ONCE that casey was not G’s bio daugher…maybe caseys real dad is dead too.
Yeah, but do you think he’s willing to go to jail for fibbing for her?
that whole family is warped.
He is probably the one who tampered with the computer when he picked it up from Lazzaros
All emails deleted - I wonder who did it??
I do think that Lee is momster’s half brother, but don’t have any info to support that notion
I don’t think George will go down with Monster- Cindy on the other hand…..
another one bites the dust….
good question, they all have a good opportunity of being locked up if they are caught lying under oath!
bbl
I think c will deny and defend until she is dead…i think G has way more smarts and will give up what he knows and thinks…I think cop daddy’s opinion will hold alot of clout…especially if it for the prosecution.
Yeah, I think george would like to live in a little house, by himself, with a small job at walmart, he would be happy a bee!~
Ciao, DR!
Plus, G was the only one who didn’t waffle on his story to cops.
Did you see how C wouldn’t give cc’statements and cell records to cops, since she said that she looked at everything and there was nothing of importance in there..
amy - yes i think so too…anything is better then what he’s got…his caylee is gone…his wife is nuts…his daughter is a socio and a killer and liar…and his son …well…is suspicious to say the least…wal mart is looking good for ol g
mytwocents said,in October 9th, 2008 at 5:46 pm Since C went to BB’s office today with M who was NOT wearing a Caylee t-shirt then I’d say that C is siding with M. I sure hope George lives thru the weekend or somebody puts him up in a motel.
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I think that house and I have said it before is a homicide/murder waiting to happen…I can’t imagine the three or four of them alone in there…what must go on…someone is gonna SNAP
I mean, good grief, this girl (momster) has pushed everyone of his buttons… Takes, takes, and takes…
Not that I would have ever done what momster did, but I would never let my family pay my way or lie for me…
WHOOPS…sorry..i meant a homicide/suicide
Oh, boy, I do think that home is a pressure cooker, for sure.
If I was G, I would go find a safe house or something for battered men!
the gavel is coming down on one or more of the ants….walls are closing and someone may well be joining caylee…I am sorry but I have had this feeling for a few weeks…I hope nobody dies but they are under the most evil, heavy burden that anyone can imagine…I would NOT be surprised if they turned on eachother like rabid dogs in a cage.
I hope that G leaves..
Me too!
It’s just not worth it to stay on a sinking ship!
amy - I don’t think G is battered..I think G allows C to think she controls him by keeping his mouth shut…to keep the peace..
amy…the ship has “sunk”…LMAO
Get out George…
You’re right, CA. I was being sarcastic.
They really raised a “whacked” daughter..
I feel sorry for George…( go easy on me people)…I don’t think he is involved at all
Someone should through G a “life ring”
amy…I know you just got me wandering with thought…could he be or couldn’t he be..just thinking out loud..
It’s hard for me to gauge the truth with the Ant’s. They seem so insincere.
Very possible… but boy, wouldn’t that be a twist? It’s within the realm of possibility, but, hummm.. I wonder..
Does he not have any sisters or brothers or anyone who might give him this good advise ???
On the other hand…here we go again…George would NOT leave his family right now…or look as if he is scared or not THE HEAD OF THE HOUSE…
He prob. has been asked to go away with family already…I bet he wouldn’t go…
I just can’t wait for the trial etc…to find the truth and be at peace for caylee…god please help Tim find her…
I really want to know how much the rest of the fam is involved…
If he does have family, I wonder if C helped destroy their relationship. Since C is so darn controlling, I bet should would want to restrict access by others to her husband as a control thing..
CA< when you say, the rest of the family, like who? Lee?
I would believe she puts a strain on any outsider….fam included
Lee and C for the most part
hello all! i to feel sorry for g . he lost his grand child whom we all know he loved very much i don’t believe c and m know what love is. i think g will be open and honest with the grand jury if for nothing else he will do it for his little caylee.
Yeah, I pray that Tim will find her?
Do you think the little knowledge nuggets that BH lets go of every evening on NG is just him coming up with hot air to keep him infront of the camera or does he really have any inside intelligence, curious to know your thoughts..
never really felt g said much and let the women battle it out…now there dealing with a whole other G I hope…for caylees sake…
Sharon, I hope so.. it’s about time someone gets honest in this case on their side of the fence. They keep digging a deeper hole with their lies..
And, CA: I am almost certain, that L & C are involved, even if it is as simple as destroying evidance in this case.
I fully believe Paddy…I don’t think he is a bullshitter…at all…He knows things…he doesn’t have the C need for media..he is quiet and reserved and I believe him when he says Tim will find caylee…he also talks about Robert Dick..the one who drove casey around to bozo’s office still hot on the pings and narrowing search…I think he is privy to much more then we know…he doesn’t shoot his mouth off and doesnt’ seem to care he is even on tv..
For Caylee’s Sake… Should be a banner infront of their home, don’t you think? Sums it up perfectly…
Kris - Someone posted earlier that M had not been wearing the Caylee t-shirt today when she went to BB’s office with her mother.
amy - Totally…FOR CAYLEE’S SAKE..IT’S PERFECT
mytwo - it was reported she wasn’t…I read it too but didn’t see pics
CA, thank you for your thoughts on that… I really want to believe him too! I feel so desperate for some honest data on the case. I’m glad you feel this way, I think him putting Dick on the case was a great move. He’s been the only voice of honesty that has been in the compound of the Ant’s camp in their rawest state.
Amy - when paddy first posted bond I wanted to rip him apart…but overtime he has swayed my thoughts towards him
i think g is past the denial now he is accepting that poor little caylee is dead. i believe he will tell all what he knows. and in the end he will leave c . just my opinion.
Amy - honesty…we have to sift through a huge pile of bull to find it but I think paddy is on the top of it…
Don’t you guys find it “far out” for her to be wearing those dang glasses, that she essentially stoled from the Amy H. bank account.?
sharon…I agree…G has come to terms and is gonna face the music without his daughter and his wife…
Sharon, I think you’re right, G may have turned the corner and accepted reality. I think also, the survival of their union is certainly straind… time for him to tell what he knows, get this behind him, buy a boat, travel along the coast for a year and find himself again and re-group.
amy ya saw her buying them on video tape..she is flaunting herself like she has 0 self respect at all…like now that we know who she is how could she have self respect…but it’s like the same way she “lives on ” without her daughter with NO remorse…she has NO feelings..the only feeling she knows is self serving
she puts the glasses and shirt on like no big deal just how she felt when she got rid of caylee.yep no big deal!! how sick!!
amy - for caylee’s sake…buy a boat george..sorry…gotta lighten up a bit…getting depressed.
sharon…a matter of factly…like clockwork..like a robot…get up, put on the caylee t, tie it up and put on the glasses …wiggle my trunk infront of the world…she is a disgraceful Whoreee
Yeah, I just wanted to spit when I found out that the clothes, glasses and such that she’s be galavanting around in are all basicly stolen… no shame at all with this chick!
I’m wondering if the news reported it right. About G testifying against M. We already heard that C & G were subpoenaed to testify for the prosecution and were really PO’d about it (a while back). So that list of 80 + witnesses they were on = are they all ones that could go before the grand jury? Maybe the reporter worded it incorrectly.
Maybe G and/or C are being forced to appear in front of the grand jury and therefore are “technically” testifying for the prosecution.
c is not gonna give up on m !!! sick minds think alike.
CA, I just can’t bear to think of the pain of loosing a grandchild, but boy, I would have to drop off the face of the earth a while…
my two - I dunno details…either way I feel G will do the right thing, forced or not…C is another story and will be spending her weeks alone and weekends at teh jail visiting monster
did you guys notice when m and c go to bb office g is not around!!?
Amy, my feelings too - M just shows her disregard for others each time we see her.
I think Padillo is upfront and he does have experience in dealing with people like M and sees through the behaviours.
MTC,
Amy said, in October 9th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
“George and Cindy Anthony voluntarily gave up DNA samples this week so investigators could scientifically exclude either of them as the source of the hair and stain in Casey’s trunk, but investigators had to get a search warrant to get Casey’s brother Lee to submit to a DNA test. He also has refused to take a lie detector test for the FBI.”
*WFTV.com
Why do you think Lee didn’t want to give up his DNA?
Could it be true? Casey + Lee = Caylee?
amy - losing anyone I love would make me want to go far far away from the world..
CASEY IS AN EMPTY SHELL. I DON’T KNOW HOW SHE GOT THERE. HER LIFE HAS BEEN A LIE THAT SHE MADE UP. LIVING IN A FANTASY. THE EMOTION SHE HAS EVER SHOWN WAS BECAUSE SHE FED OFF OTHER PEOPLE’S PERSONALITY TO MAKE HER OWN, SHE HAS NONE OF HER OWN. SHE IS LIKE A CRAB THAT GOES FROM SHELL TO SHELL LOOKING FOR A PLACE BUT SHE CAN’T FIND A PLACE BECAUSE SHE IS 2 EMPTY. NOW, IF YOU LOOK IN HER EYES YOU CAN SEE HOW EMPTY SHE IS.
I AM VERY OLD AND HAVE LOOKED DEEP IN PEOPLE’S EYES ALL MY LIFE AND YOU CAN TELL A LOT. I COULD ALWAYS TELL WHEN MY KIDS WERE LYING.
I HAVE SEEN THAT EMPTY LOOK BEFORE AND THE LIVES OF THESE PEOPLE ARE VERY SAD.
Casey + Lee = Caylee?
Thought about that way way back but thought we were grasping at straws and it was way too hollywood..but not impossible…
Lee is starting to smell funny himself
Isn’t that interesting that, Padillia, would end up being a caylee advocate? Who would have ever known that this would be the case in the begining
George has already given damaging evidence to the police. They just want that stated in court for the prosecution because they can legally make him.
caylee~angel - I hope G will do the right thing but if he does where will he live starting Tuesday night? I’m not kidding. I suppose it depends on how much he knows. How much has NOT been reported to us. Because C and M have no doubt seen the August 1 statements that have already been released.
Anyway, if G really does have something to say it makes me worry a little more about what C and M were doing at BB’s today. Remember someone reminded us earlier that M had blamed the car smell on her dad because it happened when he was driving the car? Implying the smell would be his fault. Maybe C, M and BB are cooking up a story to cook G’s goose!
Re: Lee - although he seemed okay in the beginning if he’s really supporting his sister (and the scenes of him escorting M to the jail and high-fiving indicate that) he could have just decided to be as uncooperative as possible with the cops. OR he has something to hide. Geesh! The plot sickens, doesn’t it?
(And that’s not a typo)
Mamabear…I believe you ..When I saw the mug shot of her in the navy blue prison suit with her hair down starring straight at the camera…I got a chill down my spine…she looked right through me…I saw nothing in her eyes…no pain no shame no feeling…no care
padilla really ticked me off in the beginning. i honestly think he wants to bring caylee home for a decent burial. he is a good man. maybe he has been working close with le and tim?
Amy at 6:58 - Padilla was an advocate for Caylee from the start. Maybe I missed your meaning?
Hi Girlfriends,
Welcome all new bloggers, especially MAMABEAR you remind me of a person from my past.
mamabear, I think you’re right, the eyes do tell a story.
Pammyliz: (my response to your 7:15 am. Post)
Hi, I read an article about the grand jury indictment and I don’t know if they do have enough evidence, however, I am certain we don’t know everything that both law enforcement and the attorney knows. After seeing what she purchased at Target I am grieved to the core of my soul.
However, I am still hoping she is allowed to search for Caylee as this should have been done in the first place, saving everyone a lot of time, money, and emotional investment. Allowing her to do so will force her to come to grips with what has happened to Caylee and more importantly assist her parents in dealing with the court procedures ahead. It would be very difficult to see your only daughter tried for murder.
Even if she is tried and convicted, I would still wish her no harm as I feel this person is truly ‘out there’ and should have never been a mother in the first place (And no, I don’t blame her parents either). I can only hope Cindy will settle down and think about the long road ahead though she still hopes Caylee is alive, as do I. Perhaps this time Eccusearch can make progress if Casey is allowed out to search.
I have a difficult time believing her attorney, who has a daughter Casey’s age, would condone this girl murdering her own daughter. In addition, I feel as though he may not think she is a sociopath or he wouldn’t have mentioned the photo of the nanny with Casey and Caylee in the park…why do that if you think she murdered the little girl? Honestly, I really don’t know what to think…the whole thing is so bizarre. I still have issues with the July 2nd sighting which makes me think something rather fishy is at work.
Thank you for asking my opinion this morning and for waiting for the answer as well. (BTW…I missed the whole kimcon ordeal, but I could see something like what you had described coming from the get go).
Hi Val, Have we met before?
MTC, what I meant was initially, I wasn’t convinced that he was out there for Caylee or for media attention. Now after weeks of observation, it’s clear that he is an advocate. In yesterday’s blogg, I was saying that the state, needs to appoint an advocate to look after the best interest of Caylee, since I’m not conviced, the family is tuned into what’s best for the little girl over their daughter current situation.
I checked in briefly a couple of blogs ago
Hi!
Bri & Kris
Hugs & Kisses
Nice to see you again.
It’s nice to find a group of equally obsessed people
Well, the truth is her time is running out..
hi cat.
Yes, we all want justice for our little angel, Caylee.
Hi Sharon, How are you?
good and you?
I FIND MYSELF IN A CORNER…………… NG IS ON TV AND AM TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH YA’LL. NOW I GOTTA GO PEE. GO FIGGER………….
Amy, it would be nice to have an attorney representing Caylee’s interest but I think that they really can’t go there because she is missing. I know that I used to get attornies for the kids I worked with because they do need to be represented. It was fairly easy to get them representation. Without Caylee present, I don’t think it can be done.
Enjoy, the pee! Mamabear!
catherine just waiting like every one else to see what happens tomorrow.. i sure hope they don’t let m out to search!
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I wish it was so, CoolMoss.
I hope that precious little girl will get the respect she deserves
I watched a rerun of NG where M. is shopping at Target. I can’t believe how she just whipped out that checkbook knowing that she was stealing from her friend. Then off to the bank for some hard cash. These stores,and banks need to start asking for a photo I.D.
Yeah, me too - the poor little girl. If she is alive, her last memories of her”mom” would not be very happy. And if she is deceased at the hands of her “mom”, I hate to reflect on what her last memories would have been. It makes me sick, and M makes me sick as well!
Hi Cat.
Hi everybody. It’s going to take me a long time to read all the comments that have been posted since I left this afternoon.
NG is on too, so I’ll post when I can (or actually have something to say
NG says that in FL when a grand jury is called that means capital murder charge is being sought. It was confirmed by another lawyer who says that LE has lots of evidence we don’t know about.
Tim is on there too. He says they never found one boy’s body but there was a conviction of the murderer in that case.
NG confirms George will testify against Casey in grand jury.
Baez says he doesn’t believe in the grand jury and would not let any client of his testify in one because they are one-sided. ( *DUH )
Hi Cool,
Makes me sick too
Love your name by the way!
You know what else make me sick, is seeing her prance into target with no worries in the world or acting like a doting little house wife shopping for some essentials at target! gag me with a spoon!
Yeah, BB is really a piece of work!
Amy Thank you! I understand. The fog in my head has cleared (re: Padilla)!
I know Amy She had lots of practice with C.’s credit cards, and her poor grandmother’s checking account. Little lying bit-ch.
She was planning to go to Puerto Rico with her friends. Is that why she ripped off the grandfather’s account? She did away with Caylee before taking Amy to the airport, but didn’t she say her Dad had a stroke as her reason for not going on the trip? Did they get the money back before she could spend it? They think her not being able to go pushed her over the edge as the motive.
Thanks, MTC, sometimes blogging the meanings of messages sometimes gets muddered.
Wait till that prosecutor gets a hold of Cindy.
There won’t be any nonsense going on with Linda.
Thanks Cat.
I’ve seen an awful lot of things done to kids in my past line of work and M just does not come off as being upset that her little girl is gone. I find that is hard to get your head around. I have had parents like M as well so have seen it up close and personal.
No Val she made that excuse up because, she didn’t want to go to Jacksonville with Amy.
Yeah, it will be hard for C to speak from both sides of the mouth on that stand!
Did you hear, BB state that he doesn’t believe in the “grand jury” system?!? Ahhhhh, Haaaa?
Cool,
What is your line of work?
RV - You are so compassionate towards all the Ants. That’s fine.
But I have to disagree with what you wrote: (that you are) “still hoping she is allowed to search for Caylee as this should have been done in the first place, saving everyone a lot of time, money, and emotional investment.”
M had 31 days to look for Caylee by herself without media attention (or anyone’s attention). And then the cops offered to help. And then she had another opportunity to have professionals search for her daughter and even Zenaida when Padilla bailed her out. That’s WHY he bailed her out.
She did nothing at all for four months.
So for her to want to go look herself now is just ridiculous. Like she’s the only one who would recognize Caylee on the street? Or does she want to check the offices at Universal again? Balderdash!
Did you hear NG say that the LE will be going after Murder ONE!!!
Yeah, music to my ears!
Yeah, I don’t think momster should be allowed to look for caylee, she’s been given opportunity to look for that angel and didn’t do diddly-squat thus far.. IMO
Cat, I was a child protection worker with the BC province for 12 years. Had to go on disability due to multiple health issues in 2005. I worked mostly in northern BC and then a bit in southern BC before I retired.
Amy,
OF course he would say he doesn’t have faith in the grand jury. That fat pig just doesn’t know when to say uncle.
Cat., isn’t he something… good grief, bet you, he’s been watching his interview on “the today’s show” over and over again!
2c…I feel if they’d had her on the search in the first place they would have been able to gauge her reactions to places to search, etc. It is true she didn’t work at Universal studios;it is conceivable she was involved in something she didn’t want to discuss with the police as well. Others had claimed she said she worked at Universal, so she didn’t single out the police for this specific lie. 22 year olds do crazy things…it’s atrocious when a child is involved. I only hope they can find Caylee or her body so the family, if not Casey, can get on with their lives and not be subjected to what I’ve seen on TV.
Casey, if normal, would not have 31 days of video having a good time, buying beer and lingerie to help in her quest. She would have been a wreck, and after arrested would have been crying for her daughter the whole time, pleading to help search. At least that Susan and Scott Peterson tried to fake a few tears. Yay@Grand Jury!
Cool,
I guess you saw and heard it all. Hope your feeling better now. Are you back in BC now?
Humm, stripper pole or go searching for my daughter…
I think I would be looking for my baby, not screwing every tom, dick, and harry… IMO
Of course he is Amy. Posing for a book cover.
Right on, Cat! LMAO!
Saw BB on the Today Shiow he sounds like he hasn’t slept in days. I bet his fingernails & toenails look like stubs.
Amy,
I think you missed about 100 other names. She also liked girls. She’s in for it when she get to jail, Big Bertha already has claims on her tushy.
I moved back down south in 2002 and worked until I had to go off work in 2005. I live a quiet life now!
My health is poor but I take each day as it comes so things are okay for me.
I have seen some pretty awful things through my work but I have seen some awesome, remarkable thing too. People are so varied and different, which makes the world a more fascinating place but with this case, it is just so heartbreaking.
BB makes me want to slap his mouth open!
He talks through his teeth and it grates on my last nerve.
He also reminds me of the class nerd/geek/buffoon from school.
Big Bertha!!! hahaha Good one Cat. ROFLMAO
Cool,
It’s your time to rest now. Take care of yourself. Where in the south do you now reside?
hello there girlfriends…catherine, how was your business meeting ?
Thanks, Cat . I live about 250 miles inland from Vancouver, BC.
Gum,
Give him a slap for me too. I liked to smash a taco right in his face.
Big Bertha! LOL. What about Tattooed Tina with the track & field background?
I wouldn’t waste a good taco on him, but I’d like to be off my thyroid medication for about 6 weeks and be turned loose on him.
LOL @ gumshoe !…hey does anyone know why the police want LV’s dna ?
sabrina, they took G & C’s and were to take LV’s too but he refused.
I missed why they wanted any of theirs. Granddaughter was talking.
Hi Bri,
Mr. Bell actually was nice, except he asked me for a little kiss when he walked me to my car. I completly ignored him, and he asked me again. I finally told him “if I have to kiss you for the job I’m not the designer for you, and your not the client for me” He apologized and said he was just lonely. GAG GAG GAG
hmmm, that seems odd to me that LV would refuse the dna test
I believe they can force him to submit to it, sabrina.
LOL @ catherine…you should have told him “if i kiss you i’ll have to kis everyone” LMAO !
NG SAID THAT LEE WAS GOING TO BE AT THE GJ
Sorry, bloggers I didn’t mean to stray off the case.
that makes me think LV has something to hide or maybe he just wants some hype on him, either way it still seems weird to me
NP CAT. I WOULDN’T A KISSED HIM EITHER, BUT I PROBABLY WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN THAT NICE.
yes mamabear, they’ll all be there
sabrina, LV wasn’t looking for hype when he refused the poly. He didn’t know anyone would know about that and we wouldn’t have had Padilla not told it. I think he has something to hide.
Bri,
Mr Bell has a turkey neck. I couldn’t stop staring at it all through dinner. Gobble, Gobble, Gobble you old rich turkey neck.
howdy All, NG was great tonight wasn’t it?
Cool, you dont live far from me!
i will be back later on.
Where is the info coming from that G & C are not parents of both LV and Casey?
gumshoe, makes one wonder though, it was said early on that he might be caylee’s father ewe ewe and ewe
Your right MAMA, what would you have done to him?
BUT I DIDN’T KNOW HE WA GONNA TESTIFY. I GET SO CONFUSSED.
OMG ! catherine ! that’s so funny ! i’m falling out of my chair ! i know the feeling though lol, i’ve seen people like that and as much as you can’t the sight of them you just can’t stop looking ! HAHAHAHA !
Oh that makes me sick. INCEST MAJOR TABOO PUNISHMENT=DEATH BY CASTRATION
I WOUL;D HAVE TOLD EM TO KISS MY A_ _ AND THEN HE WOULD HAVE CALLED ME A BITCH AND I WOULD HAVE TOLD EM “AND DID’T FERGIT IT”
hey catherine, what’s all that blinking about ??? !! LMAO !
Bri, LMAO I wish you were there.
MAMA, your my hero!
I have to have dinner with him next week. He’s in for it if he starts that kissing sh-t again.
I HAD A GUY TO MY HOUSE TO BUY A HOUSE FULL OF FURNITURE AND HE BACKED ME UP AGAINST THE WALL. I GRINNED AT HIM AND ASK IF HE FELT MY KNEE? HE SAID YES AND I SAID THEN YOU BETTER BACK OFF. HE DID THEN I TOLD HIM TO LEAVE. SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
it’s just like snaggle tooth riccio lol, i can’t stand to look at him, but every time he starts talking my eyes go straight to that tooth LMAO !
sabrina said,in October 9th, 2008 at 8:12 pm gumshoe, makes one wonder though, it was said early on that he might be caylee’s father
I know. And I am one of the on es who believe it just may be so.
HI All…
After watching NG tonight and thinking about other things, could it be possible that Lee got rid of the body? During monster’s interview with LE, that is the ONLY thing she was adamant about is the she does NOT know where Caylee is? Not that I believe anything she says of course, but she was more forthright with that answer….Now we find out Lee not only refused the poly but wouldn’t give his DNA? Something is up with that…I’m sure LE has checked his cell phone records as well & compared them to monster’s BUT she could have easily driven over to where he lives/works in lieu of calling him. Thoughts anyone?
I HAD MY DOUBTS ABOUT LEE BEING THE FATHER WAY EARLIER WHEN IT WAS DISCUSSED HERE BUT NOW I AM HAVING TO RETHINK ALL THAT. JUST SOUNDED 2 FAR OUT.
well gumshoe it would certainly explain the reason for not taking the test…i thought it was said by the ants that both M & LV were their children
I heard that LE enforcement can’t release information that they plan to submit to a grand jury…which means if what they have released makes us all believe she is GUILTY than you know the evidence they are holding back is much more damaging. M did have the chance to help LE search and they took her toevery place she told them about and gave her multiple times to change her story. She refused. I think her motive for wanting out to ” help search” is a to run or b destroy evidence. They have to know the case is strong who would seek a capital murder charge without a body unless they felt it was a guarantee. Capital murder could mean the death penalty for m. No jury would do that without a mountain of evidence. Where did you find the info about LA. I haven;t seen that one. I will be saddened by that if he is the dad. I have defended that Idea alot and it would just shatter my thought process if I was that wrong.
Eeewwwwh, Cat! He deserved a “kiss” with your fist or your foot.
Hi, bri, cj.
brb phone call
concerned it was said on NG tonight that LV refused to take dna tests
hi cj, yeah catherine could have kissed him with her feet like adam sandler did in that movie LMAO ! take that you dirty rat straight from the zolan !
C4C. THIS WHOLE THANGY SHATTERS MY THOUGHT PROCESS. I FEEL FER U KID.
I heard they wanted the test to only prove that the dna in the trunk could only be Caylee’s because they ruled everyone else out. Lee could be forced to give a sample. I hope and pray that his only motivation is a sense of not wanting to help crucify is own sister. If capitol murder charge could mean that want the death penalty. Maybe Bro has a hard time thinking about helping to killhis own sister. He is much more rational. If he was a part of this it seems they would have controled C more and not let her call the police. If he is indeed involved he is very good because I bought his answers and I am pretty perceptive usually.
or zohan ??? something like that lol
mandi,
LV has been pretty quiet throughout the whole ordeal. He may know more than we think.
It’s possible that he had something to do with the disposal. But I don’t think so. I tend to think she did it all herself.
However, he could be Caylee’s bio dad and he could have may have known info all along that would have helped the case.
HI GUYS DO YAH THINK LEE WILL DROP A BOMBSHELL OOOHH WHAT WICKED WEBS WE WEAVE!!! MAYBE TO M IT WAS BROTHERLY LOVE.
When did they do the tests? Do LE already have results to present at grand jury.
Hi Shoe…HI CJ…I believe the part about L knowing more than he’s let on, but I believe the entire family has blue eyes EXCEPT Caylee so it’s not likely L or G would be the father….I don’t think they are THAT sick. Monster yes….but not them.
concerned, i don’t know, i did see LV try to rip that ladies poster out of her hands after G shoved her, and his interviews were so halting, he would be in mid word and change what his was saying, same as C…and on the jail cell calls seemed to me that him and M were talking in code of some sort, was very hard for me to make heads or tails of their conversation
he seemed sincere in his concern for Caylee. surely if he were the dad(YUCK) wouldn’t he be angrier and more forceful. He also seemed so fed up with his sister and her stupididy and drama all the time. He also gave LE info all the time of names, people he talked with and everything>>>> something is off
If the grand jury finds there is cause to charge her, she will be arrested right then. Grand Jury starts Tuesday. If it can all be presented in a day, she has little time to wear those undies she bought with Amy’s money. Or the hoodie. Or the sunglasses.
How long does a grand jury last usually? Anyone remember how long the one in OJ case took?
C4C….He sure didn’t sound very concerned to me during his audio taped interview given the many times he chuckled and laughed out loud. I think there’s a public Lee and another private Lee and what you see it not what you get…..I can’t get that image out of my head when he ripped that little old lady’s sign out of her hands.
gumshoe i think it depends on the amount of evidence there is to present
I think out of all ofthe ants I saw ess deception or changing of his story than the rest and he kept away from the media for the most part. He even has a girlfriend that you dont see or hear much of…. I think he hates the drama that M causes all the time. At first I think he pretended to be on her side hoping she would tell him stuff and they could find Caylee. Man I hope I am not as in denial as C is…still I have to admit to wondering about the DNA test he refused. Do we know if they are seeking the death penalty
If LE is so sure that Caylee is dead and there was a death band on the hair samples then why did C&G have to give DNA sample to exclude them as the source of the hair sample.
mandi i agree with you…they say still waters run deep…oh and he kicked over the dogs water bowl…also laughed about the odor in the car, i found that very distasteful
I think we will all be surprised (not shocked–but ah-ha! surprised) with what is revealed with Lee.
He may not be the father. He may just have information that he should have given on July 16. Lee testified he and Casey were super close and that they shared things they would never tell their parents–that casey had told him things in the past that she wouldn’t tell her parents.
Yes Sabrina, he ABSOLUTELY did all of those things….He’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing…a phony in my opinion. But then, LOL, if he wasn’t he would be in that family!
Hi everyone….Sounds like the discussion on Lee is getting very interesting…Do you think he may wind up taking a ride on the paddy wagon too?
DAK IMO i think le is just gettin all there eggs in a row
hi dak, i don’t think the dna tests were about the hair sample, i think it had to do with the spot in the trunk on the carpet
Oops…I mean he would NOT be…sorry
Remember people laugh for all kinds of reasons sometimes there is nervous or anxious laughter. The LE is convinced but that have to convince a jury that there is no other POSSIBLE explaination. the grand jury could go fast it depends on how long it takes to present evidence, how complicated the evidence is, and how quick they come to an agreement. I think the actual deliberation time will be quick and it will be hands down charges for the max that they are seeking. A grand jury only has to decide if there is enough evidence to present they dont actually have decide guilt or innocence. They just have to believe there is enough to present to the court. They may have to decide which charge also not sure in Florida.
good question dak. I guess it is to keep defense from saying it could have been anybody’s DNA but Caylee’s.
But they already said it could be Casey’s hair also—except for the decomp band, making it Caylee’s.
hi kris and sharon…we’re talking about LV refusing the dna tests…i think the entire family might be sung up the river for obstruction…if it’s up to M i think she’ll try to take everyone down with her
C4C,
NG said in FL if a grand jury is called, it means capital or first degree murder charge.
I wouldn’t see why they would need C&Gs DNA for any exclusion to what was found in the trunk(ie, hair samples, stain dirt etc) especially since LE says that all that is Caylee’s
At least “all the family up the river” would leave no room for profit from a movie deal..
OMG That was Mr. Bell crying about asking me for a kiss. He wanted to know if I would accept a gift because he feels terrible about his behavior. I told him NO GIFTS & NO KISSES. The he had the nerve to ask me if he could bring his friend to dinner with us next week. I say no. I think he’s passing me off as his girlfriend. LMAO
families all have similar dna so they have to exclude all possiblities… but if you are right( and I doubt that) then we will see next week when they dn’t charge her.
With so many witnesses to be called before the GJ, I’m liking the date I picked for an arrest even better…
Anyone know what time tommorrow she gets her answer about going out to cover her tracks…whoops I meant look for Caylee?
Hi Kris
bri you are right m will not go down alone!!
ahh don’t count out bb that is where he will make his money for this stupid defense. He surely isnt doing this for free. As long as G & C and even bro testify truthfully there wouldn’t be charges against them…. this is a time where they will have to make ac choice.
poor cathereine, girlfriend i feel your pain
Kris,’
I think 10:30
me, either, dak. I will be glad to find out why.
OH WOW CAT. WHAT A MESS. LOL
Mandi …I don’t have you down on the lottery sheet for a date..What did you pick? Just about everyones date has passed except a few still in the running…Catherine, CHSAH, MMT, and Colleen..they are still left.
I doubt the judge will make a change tomorrow… will be told about the grand jury next week and will wait and let them decide what to do with M.
Catherine..You got mail….FUNNY MAIL! You need a good laugh!..lmao!
mandi, what date did you pick? (I picked Oct 3rd–long gone)
C4C…I think C,G & L made their choice a long time ago and that is to defend monster to the hilt! The problem they face however is with past statements they’ve made and they can’t “un-ring” the bell and now they are somewhat married to them….Well, maybe C - because we all know she changes her mind as often as she chanages underwear! Maybe more….
only time will tell. I will be back in a bit it seems I have missed some important info on NG which comes on here in just a bit… gonna go catch up.
I picked Friday, 10/31…Halloween!
Bri,
Why is LV opposing a DNA test?
court is at 10;30 hopefully the judge will address that by 10;31! no seriously i would say 1hour willall be said and done. imo.
These are the dates I have logged so far on the calander:
Cj-5th
Sabrina-6th
Kris-7th
flowerchild-9th
CHSAH-10th
Catherine-16th
MMT-30th
Colleen-31st
too right mandi…LMAO about the underwear, maybe more
worick was killed off of CSI tonight
brb checking mail
I believe MMT picked 10/30 but I couldn’t swear to it….unfortunately though, she’s apparently not blogging here anymore as I haven’t seen her in a long while.
Gumshoe I did not have you on there….Was it a night I wasn’t on here?
DATES FOR WHAT. I MEMBER SOMETHING ABOUT ALL THAT BUT NOT WHAT THE DATE IS FOR.
catherine, i don’t know why he won’t give a dna sample, it hasn’t been said yet, only it was mentioned on NG tonight that LV refused, also refused the poly as well
I have MMT on the list still, but I need to know if you wish a certain date Mandi..our dates have come and gone….with no arrest.
I don’t know Kris. I picked Oct 3rd and confirmed it several times. Maybe you just missed it.
mammabear..it was a lottery we started on the date monster will be arrested.
mamabear, we chose dates for M’s arrest
I TURNED ON CNN EARLIER AND THEY WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT BB TELLING M THAT “IT DOESN’T LOOK GOOD”? ANYBODY ELSE HEAR THAT?
I’m sorry Gumshoe…my fault probably. I wish it would have been that date..I’m sure we would have a whole lot more released to the media by now even yet..
OH. OK. THANKS.
I have no doubts that they will turn her down tommorrow for her request…Does anyone think differently?
you can have a date too if you like mammabear.
Kris, I wish it had been any day in the past. We all do. I just hope it’s early next week. Like Tuesday. No bond. back in jail for the duration.
detectives are trying to get a search warrent for LV’s dna, or something like that, i’m sure i didn’t word it right
I HOPE THEY DO TURN HER DOWN. SHE IS A VERY SCARY ONE.
Kris…scroll up, it’s 10/31…or if you want, check back about a week or so and I’m sure you’ll find it….
I am assuming this means they will try for the death penalty? Anyone know for certain?
Kris, I think the judge probably can’t wait to say “NO” to her.
kris, NG seems to be pretty certain it will be for murder, not manslaughter
Kris said,in October 9th, 2008 at 8:54 pm These are the dates I have logged so far on the calander:
Cj-5th
Sabrina-6th
Kris-7th
flowerchild-9th
CHSAH-10th
Catherine-16th
MMT-30th
Colleen-31st
Gotta take a day that is not taken guys..any other one. Only 3 left in the running.
That’s right Sabrina…a search warrant but seems to me at this point, he would just give it if he doesn’t have anything to hide…seems very suspicious to me…
I WAS HOPING THEY WOULD ARREST HER TOMORROW BUT ONE OF YA’LL TOLD ME THEY WON’T SO………
THEY MAY ARREST HER TONIGHT IF SHE KILLS C & G TONIGHT.
lol, mamabear…it most likely will be some day next week, oh unless she kills her parents befor then lol
Anyone think C is standing by her out of guilt? That maybe if she didn’t do this, or didn’t say that, that Caylee might be here right now and this wouldn’t have happened? She may be thinking this, and we all know that monster is a master manipulator so the two may be working that with each other.
kris, i think you might be right…i can see C feeling guilt over caylee gone missing, and most likely M telling C that it’s “your fault mom”
LOL….Whatever Kris…I’m sure I’ll survive not winning the PRIZE LOL….
C PROBABLY FEELS SORRY FOR M. A SMALL PIECE OF ME FEELS SORRY FOR HER.
MAMABEAR <<<<<<<< DUCKING!!!!!!!
The prize Mandi..is a years subscription to “bloggers news network”..with free rights to stray from the subject on hand…lol!
I was just reading the first set of documents and if any body on the witness list that was put out in the first set of docs becomes a victim of identity theft they could legally sue LE for releasing the docs with their SSNs fully visible.
mamabear, i don’t feel sorry for any of them now, i did at first, but not any more…when i heard the 911 call from C and heard her voice so frantic it was heart breaking, but after all they’ve said and done since then i just can’t find it in my heart now…no need to duck mamabear, you’re intitled to your opinion
Wow Dak…they were in those Docs?
dak i didn’t see that, yet NG says it’s all public info
Let me look up FL law again. I did that last week and found the sentencing guidelines for capital murder but I have forgotten.
FLORIDA RULES ON IMPOSING DEATH IN CAPITAL MURDER CASES
Florida has a death penalty process created by statute and court rule.
Florida criminal courts are divided into regions or jurisdictions, but they all follow the same rules. Different districts encompass Miami, West Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale, Broward County, Dade County or Palm Beach County, but they all follow the same process.
When a murder defendant is convicted of capital felony, the court will have a separate sentencing proceeding and have testimony before the jury determine whether the defendant should be sentenced to death or life imprisonment.
Aggivators and mitigators are heard. The jury hears about the character of the defendant and the manner of homicide.
The decision to impose a sentence of death or life imprisonment is made by the judge, not the jury. The judge does take into consideration the jury’s vote.
The court makes the decision after weighing the aggravating and mitigating circumstances.
The Supreme Court must, within 60 days after certification by the sentencing court, review the decision or let it stand.
it was probably an over sight, not enough to lose the case of murder 1
WOW DAK…………
KRIS I FEEL SORRY THAT SHE IS SO EMPTY.
I know one thing I found out tonight about Florida law that I did not know before…you can legally shoot an intruder in your home and not have charges filed against you. It’s not a well known thing they advertise…because people would be blasting their husbands to kingdom come claiming they thought it was a stranger that broke in…lol.
Florida law also says that even if a jury recommends life in prison, the judge can override that recommendation and impose the death penalty.
Whose empty…mammabear?
Yes Sabrina it is all public info but in a case like this all pertinent info especially Social security numbers has to be blacked out due Florida Statues of redacting files, trust me I know that.
OH no! Then I withdraw because some of the posts & topics on here lately have been downright disgusting and usually I stay away from anything free because there’s usually a catch!
I LOVE IT HERE. SO MUCH INFO. GOTTA LOVE IT! THANKS E1.
ok dak, i see what you’re saying, i haven’t seen those documents, but i’m sure it was an oversight although a bad one
Hey Dak..sounds like someone didn’t do their job before releasing those pages to the media..guess there will be one more person in the Fla. unemployment line..
CASEY IS EMPTY
the media still could have blacked out the ssi #, but looks like they didn’t find them either
After all these new cell phone records released (NG has been posting them tonight) that, since Casey was planning to fly down to Puerto Rico later than Amy and meet them all there, that she planned to kill Caylee and stay in Puerto Rico.
Those text messages and the dates of them are very incriminating.
Yeah my wife say them for the first time and she was in total shock because she used to work in the clerks office here redacting files.
That info is MONTHS old about the SSN’s for anyone who read the docs….
M is full of herself, only empty when it comes to others…now C&G maybe even LV might have an empty place in their hearts or 2 M and caylee
Probably just so many pages and someone just slacked off and didn’t check them all before releasing them…or it was a sunny afternoon and the golf course was calling..lol (funny on the idiot, not the people who were the victims)
We should all become law clerks or something we are getting pretty good info. What will happen to all of us after this case>>>>>>
The sad thing is…there will always be another child missing…then we will still have a calling to go in and help with another blog.
I think that Caylee died on June 16, but not by drowning. I do not believe there is anything accidental about this. It is premeditated Murder period.
comcerned, i actually thought about being a court reporter in my younger days, but my hubby didn’t like the idea of me rubbing elbows with lawyers etc…i sould have done it anyway
C4C, someone was making a website for us all to go to later after the trial is over. I forgot who was making it, but that’s an idea. A site in memory of Caylee.
NG just said BB & M are claiming it to be the medias fault why M didn’t search for caylee
right, Kris. Every day there is another child that someone didn’t want, or that someone who shouldn’t have, DID want.
That is Kris if we live long enough…Does anyone go to the Investigation Discovery blog? It’s very interesting with lots of good posts….
KRIS,
MY THOUGHTS ABOUT CASEY:
MAMABEAR said,in October 9th, 2008 at 6:58 pm CASEY IS AN EMPTY SHELL. I DON’T KNOW HOW SHE GOT THERE. HER LIFE HAS BEEN A LIE THAT SHE MADE UP. LIVING IN A FANTASY. THE EMOTION SHE HAS EVER SHOWN WAS BECAUSE SHE FED OFF OTHER PEOPLE’S PERSONALITY TO MAKE HER OWN, SHE HAS NONE OF HER OWN. SHE IS LIKE A CRAB THAT GOES FROM SHELL TO SHELL LOOKING FOR A PLACE BUT SHE CAN’T FIND A PLACE BECAUSE SHE IS 2 EMPTY. NOW, IF YOU LOOK IN HER EYES YOU CAN SEE HOW EMPTY SHE IS.
I AM VERY OLD AND HAVE LOOKED DEEP IN PEOPLE’S EYES ALL MY LIFE AND YOU CAN TELL A LOT. I COULD ALWAYS TELL WHEN MY KIDS WERE LYING.
I HAVE SEEN THAT EMPTY LOOK BEFORE AND THE LIVES OF THESE PEOPLE ARE VERY SAD.
Really sabrina…If thats true, that is just plain out crap! She had plenty of opportunities to show she wanted to help, the media had nothing to do with her decision. We are the creators and makers of our own destinys, she had a choice, and she is a very assured personality…whatever her thought was about the media..she could have done it anyway.
I still don’t understand why C&G and LV have to provide DNA samples to compare to the hair samples that were found. I read that on a couple of different news stations.
Mandi said,in October 9th, 2008 at 9:34 pm That is Kris if we live long enough…Does anyone go to the Investigation Discovery blog? It’s very interesting with lots of good posts….
You are right about that Mandi, I have many affairs in order…if I am here I will still help with other children who are not.
kris, i know…it’s all a ploy
mammabear…You are right about that! When I look into her eyes..I see someone without a soul and that is because she sold it long ago to the devil.
hi all just getting on and saw NG.. I am trying to read the days blogs. i do have aquestion tonight NG asked if anyone wanted to donate to tims search go online, I wasnt near a pen and paper anyone know the website? it was four letter like tx something???
I also find it curious that LE was so kind as to release the documents with the tip about the sighting at Orlando airport on July 2 and the most they released about was up to the FBI investigating and then nothing makes me wonder exactly if they followed all the way through.
yeah, BB and M say it’s the media’s fault she didn’t search for Caylee. What newshounds were chasing her June 15 to July 15?
YES KRIS. I FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW “NORMAL”. WELL, IF IT IS LEGAL TO SAY I AM NORMAL. LOL
i was looking at some pictures of caylee earlier today, the one in the bathing suit really stood out to me…caylee loks like she has a very bad sun burn, her skin is very blotcy as if burned by something or had a terrible rash, has anyone else noticed that ?
Oh Kris, I’m sure you will be! Think positive! You sound fine, full of p_iss & vinegar! HA, HA, HA….
Maybe I just need some french fries to go with that, Mandi….Well not the piss part. lol.
That’s one of my fav pics of little Caylee Sabrina….but the video of her on her great grandpa’s lap is just heart wrenching for me anyway….Her big wide eyes…just precious.
yes dak they did follow up and even personally saw the little girl. told C that he was surprised because he didnt think she looked that much like Caylee. I don’t know why you seem to want to question everything they do. There are plenty of repports outs there that show they have been very busy looking for Caylee. I think Lee refused polgraph because maybe M told him something and he doesn’t want to see her die. The could very well seek the death penalty in this case and I would hate it if they wimp out on life. There is no rehabilitation for m. so why make the state carry the burden and crowd the prison more.
Oh…That video! It gets me everytime, I almost can’t even watch it anymore when they air it. I automatically start welling up. So innocent and loving…HOW THE HELL CAN ANYONE HURT THAT CHILD!
Actually concerned the airport sighting wasn’t the girl George was talking about.
Could it be that LE actually (secretly) want the Judge to give her some free reign tomorrow so they can watch her every move?? Personally, I think it would great to find out where all she and BB go together…could prove very telling!
Without a body concernedI seriously doubt they will get the death penalty.
i’m with you gals for the greatgrandfather video, especially when she hugs his neck and kisses him…the picture with the bathing suit doesn’t look like the others that were on that website, her skin was very pink and blotchy, maybe it’s just water stains or something
Oh my…time to go now…Have a pleasant evening!
mandi, the only problem with that is that BB is asking that she can travel to UNDISCLOSED places. How can she be watched to see where she goes if it’s a secret?
i disagree dak, and if M is convicted for murder 1 it will up to the judge to make the final penalty phase on her
RV
I did read you response, and do agree.. this case is baffling and bizarre. I don’t really think any of us can figure this one out totslly, without the help of whats coming tuesday. I am sure we will be hearing alot more next week. I was a bit surprised at the videos myself. and i am sure she is too!!!
I am learning through this case a person can’t go anywhere without being traced lol… gees even at walmarts…
but i see in your posts that part of you wants to believe like i do too.. and part of you too is not sure…they kept talking abou the possible motive coming next week, I dont see the puerto rico trip being the motive myself, i think if its true and she did research earlier etc. then the trip would not be the motive. I don’t know the motive with a 3 yar old there can be NO MOTIVE NONE! just some of my thoughts
so much to read tonight and very tired, blogging is very tiring lol late at night
i am wanting to contribute to the search something but need the website..I will feel in my heart i helped in some small way…
good blogs in the room tonight, and new bloggers too, has anyone seen MNT pop on???
Yeah..that makes sense Mandi..but if they were allowed to do that what would keep them from walking so many paces into the woods and look straight ahead and monster says, ” When we turn around to walk back to the car…see the old Tree to the right of that bush, well just behind it….” My point I’m thinking is that she may not even go near there but let him know anyway where she is.
bye bye mandi, i’m going to drop out too…see you guys / gals later
I read there was a FL case just recently where death penalty was imposed and no body was found.
By sabrina..by Mandi.
yes dak I am serious. They have plenty of time to build this case. IF they get a no bill on Tuesday they can come back and try again later. TIm MIller is pretty convinced they will find Caylee. They say in a three day period she ping off a tower 700 plus times. Then when she is in the area near the airport… and where someone might have seen herwith a baseball cap on leaving. she is there and for 3 hours makes no calls or recieves no calls nor sends or recieves texts
Also I heard as she was leaving that area she texted Amy a message about how “she had gotten rid of the dead animal that was stinking up her car.”
as far as the pics of little caylee, i heard others blogging about some pics of caylee looking poorly, with sunken eyes, and such i have to say sometimes toddlers just don;t take so hot pics lol all the time… (although I found all of caylees pics just darling
so i think the bathing suit photo (adorable) if she had sunburn she was out in the pool i don;t find that telling much just too much sun… which still stumps me whether or not something happened in that pool…? and a cover up thereafter…
C4C said :
Also I heard as she was leaving that area she texted Amy a message about how “she had gotten rid of the dead animal that was stinking up her car.”
and right after she texted Amy that, she was at Amscot a few minutes later to ditch the car.
Just my thoughts pammy..but if that did happen (pool accident), I think an accidental death would have been disclosed and not have lead to the devious fiasco that monster took us into. It just doesn’t fit for me.
The airport sighting is the one you were talking about right? where she went on a plane to georgia and even said her name the same?
It just tears me up inside to see that little girl so full of life in those pictures. I think about how trusting they are of adults and that we are their protectors. My own daughter says the same thing every night when I tuck her in, “I love you, Bye, see you later, I won’t forget you.” It is just so darling to hear that in that little voice.
*I truly hope monster gets the death penalty.
problem I have with accidental is it wouldn’t match with M looking into missing children’s website as far back as march ofthis year. Also wouldn’t explain the research on her computer for Chloroform either. she also texted the guy in ca she was coming to see him and had something she wanted to tell him in person. I think she was planning on leaving town before she got found by mom. Then her game could have played out for many years.
kris
I know I don’t know tho on what to make of the body being in yard then moved unless did i miss something was the parents gone and she alone in the house that day? when the body and shover thing happened were anthonys gone?? I thought they were?? I was never sure about that.. and you would think if she pre-meditated it she would not have done it in the home buried her there, it seems if you go with the theory of the yard and all it may have happend accidentally.. it just sounds plausible to me… unless they left and she chloroformed her there in the home and then buried i dont know you would think she would have done it elsewhere
Yes concerned and the way she said her name just seems to starnge to me.
I hope she doesn’t get the death penalty. If she does, she will have special treatment all those years while it is under appeal and will be protected in prison.
I want her to spend the rest of her days bored out of her mind in a cell with some other criminal, watching over her shoulder every minute of every day, eating prison food, wearing prison clothes, no internet, no cell ohone, no pasta, no lingerie, no partying, no men, and only one hour a day allowed to go out of that cell into the crowd of child-killer haters.
Life without the possiblity for parole is what I want for her.
the parents were gone from the house during the hours of about 1:30 to 6:30 during the week because they were actually at real jobs unlike M. I think she planted the body there maybe even to frame G. all along
Dak the police flew to Georgia and met with the family and saw the people that was claiming to having seen Caylee. The flight manifest shows no little children ever got on the plane to Georgia. It was proven to be a hoax
jris your “tearing” me up mine also says the most endearing things to me, that i hope as she grows i dont ever forget her little way of wording things ( 3 1/2)… mine likes to mimmic everyone so at daycare she’ll say what they say to her, she’ll say BYE SWEETHEART, BYE HONEY (to the workers) lol or bye guys… I be back later… and to me she blows me away each night when i get her..with her words, so my heart just aches over this loss of this child… i bet she was just darling.
pammy..what about her not burying Caylee int he yard but evidence of the crime? Stinky clothing, rag, towel, etc…It may have Caylee’s scent which could trigger the dogs searching, but then she decided to remove the evidence and bury it elsewheres.
don’t worry about special treatment for her. death penalty inmates are isolated she only gets out of her cell for a short time a day. she would have plenty of time to think about what she did. And not having an audience would drive her nuts she needs someone to feed her ego
I always thought prison inmates have liberties in there. Like Tv, internet for some, ping pong…is this only in some prisons and not others?
COncerned said
Dak the police flew to Georgia and met with the family and saw the people that was claiming to having seen Caylee. The flight manifest shows no little children ever got on the plane to Georgia. It was proven to be a hoax
Sorry honey the police never went to georgia they left it up to FBI and there were 2children on that manifest per the statement in the first set of docs. Where are you getting your info.
yah i don’t know cause tonight that reporter who broke the story on NG said specifically yard shovel, backing up car like thats what LE has to report.. or knows for sure… so they are going with some thory there at the house which makes no sense, about cloroform being used to durg if it happened accidentally.. I dont know too much timeline and confusion!
Concerned where did you hear it was ahoax.
the children on the flight manifest were not the age of Caylee. they were older. you dog the police so often and now you are quoting their info.
C4C,
You may be right. I just want her to have no priviledges at all. Nada. Zero.
I hear of criminals getting access to computers, TVs, newspapers, books, typewriters, etc…
I just want her to have to sit and stare and think.
CAC
why do you think she would try to frame G?
Maybe she used the chloroform on her at the house, and put her sleeping into the little tykes house out back, so noone would know. Then realized she killed her while she was getting ready or doing other things. Who knows? That part is just so confusing to piece together..I am hoping it will come out in the trial because everyones been so perplexed about it from the beginning. Hopefully the cops put it all together.
When the police talked to c in her interview she asked about anyone following up on that and they explained it to her. C even say why would someone do that and involve their kid in that. They said they didnt know but they were 100% sure that sighting was not Caylee it was a hoax. they even talked about some people just want their 15 min of fame
My eyes are getting too tired to read and type so I’m calling it a night.
Enjoyed blogging peeps. Have a good night.
‘nite
Pammy are you asking me why I think she would frame G
gumshoe…that is the only reason I want her to get the death penalty. If she gets life, she may have access to all those things, and free meals, and a free ride like she was getting off C & G , I truly don’t know if those things would be available to her. But if she does have access to them, at least if she gets death…that will always be looming over her head giving her something to think about each and every day.
kris yes that bit is VERY confusing like i said the reporter said yard shoverl, buried in yard so that doesnt fit with death in trunk in my mind. makes me think killing at the home… but like you said she may have been dressing or texting talking and drugging her even there at the house, and then it happened by accident, or she waited till that day to do the deed…i just dont think she would do it there on purpose, but I also didnt think alot about this creature including going on a shopping spree, never realizing shes being taped even then… strange case
kris yes that bit is VERY confusing like i said the reporter said yard shoverl, buried in yard so that doesnt fit with death in trunk in my mind. makes me think killing at the home… but like you said she may have been dressing or texting talking and drugging her even there at the house, and then it happened by accident, or she waited till that day to do the deed…i just dont think she would do it there on purpose, but I also didnt think alot about this creature including going on a shopping spree, never realizing shes being taped even then… strange case
nite.. gumshoe.
So Concerned you just contradicted yourself. YOu first said there were no children on the manifest and then when I caught you on it you said the children weren’t Caylee’s age
yes i was asking about why you thought that? I hadnt heard anything like this? did i miss something about G being framed?
Kris said,in October 9th, 2008 at 10:17 pm Maybe she used the chloroform on her at the house, and put her sleeping into the little tykes house out back, so noone would know. Then realized she killed her while she was getting ready or doing other things………
AND THEN SHE WENT BACK TO THE HOUSE LATER AND ASK FOR THE SHOVEL BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T WANT TO TOUCH THE BODY BUT DECIDED SHE COULDN’T LIFT THE BODY SO TOOK IT BACK TO THE NEIGHBORS.
She killed Caylee on June 16, needed to hide body so she put her in backyard maybe even in playhouse. Then went back on June17-19 on one of those days info gets confusing. SHe hadn’t counted on the body getting soft and stuff from heat so borrowed a neighbors shovel to put it in trunk. Best we can figure on June 25 or so she ran into G and he tried getting in trunk of car M cursed at him threw the gas cans at him and left. That is when she realized she needed to get rid of the body before someone found it in her car. Hence she disposes of body then ditches car at amscot on June 27th
I will say this…. this is about the messiest murder case i ever saw, (if its murder) because she left so much behind, so many clues and overwhelming evidence… it reminds me of this old case a girl i went to high shcool with didnt know her well just knew her, well years later after we graduated she and her lover plotted to blow up her hubby in his own when he started it, well they did it, he died and within about 2 days they charged both for murder, evidence left behind? the wrappers or wrappings from the explosives used to blow the car up left right in the trash can! bingo not a hard case both serving life sentences…this M also left so much behind to be found out, again thats why i sometimes think accident because noone would be that stupid, but then theres peterson too… i rest my case. dumb criminals…
I think I’m gonna hit the hay….I gotta stop staying up so late week nights blogging…Work is brutal the next day. I will pop in tommorrow..hopefully we will all know more from the court tommorrow. I would rule against letting her out to search…she has something up her sleeve I just know it! Devious, self serving little B@&ch! By guys!
i meant car is where they blew him up in the driveway, thenthrew the darn wrappers in kitchn can lol
C4C WE SEEM TO BE ON THE SAME WAVE. LOL
NITE
dak number one you didn’t catch me at a lie because I am telling the trut. if you go baack and read my statement says no little children on the plane. Caylee is a toddler, that is a little child. so there pick a fight with somene else dak.
Pammy in the interview with C the police were trying to tell C that M was looking to blame g.
Apparently she at one point prior to the police involvement texted amy and told her that she thought her dad hit something when he borrowed her car, because it smells like something died in it. Later she tells Amy that she found a squirell plastered to the frame of the car. To me she has just affectively created the idea that someone other than her had access to her car with the body in it
Kris here is something funny for you. My wife asked if I knew Casey lived and I said yes thinking maybe she wanted to drive by when we go looking for houses on monday. Instead she was afraid I would look for a house in that neighborhood.
cac
ok gotcha on the G involvement… yah i keep forgetting the clues about the dead animal like i said so many, ans yet no charges still boggles my mind the whole case
Maybe LV did some crime in the past like a rape. That would be a good reason refusing a DNA swab. Nothing in this family would surprise me anymore.
THATS AN IDEA SNOOKERS
yea but LE have to be very sure they only get one chance to try her and that’s it. I think they hoped to have a body in order to absolutely prove capitol murder. But it could be jury would want to believe that it could have been an accident. no dak I am not contradicting myself. I have no way of knowing all the evidence LE will present but if they have a solid case it will be death penalty>
Maybe bro is stalling hoping his sis would fess up and save everybody alot of trouble. He might also be trying to help his mom in some way but slowing down the process. He seems to be the one that mediates everything in that family. G gets mad and leaves C complains and brings up her past all the time, and bro seems to be able to nuetralize them all.
I SURE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS BEING SAID IN THAT HOUSE. WONDER IF THEY WOULD HAVE ME AS A GUEST!!!!!!!!!!!!
i have no idea about lee.. other than his giddy lauhging in his weird interview… I don’t think hes part of anything lets not forget he seemed to be gleeful telling on sis.. who knows maybe to take attention elsewhere, lol this case just goes round and round and round with possibilities.. I’m going tobed to rest my brain. by the time i get home the court hearing will have happened so i will be on tomorrow night late
GOTTA GET OFF HERE. NITE E1
Hi Peeps
I am trying to read some of your posts, but this page is taking five mins for my old pc to load so i cant blog until Jan gets a new one up or you all eventually find one thats less filled.
Don’t look for my sake, its cool, I will check back tomorrow.
Happy blogging.
Thanks jan and Simon
and each one of you!
Yea I think Lee will be glad to have M out of the picture she seems to have been always at odds with C and must have caused alot of tension. She needs her attention you know. I get the feeling Lee was the good child and M the wild child. Lee also has a job, girlfriend, and there have been no wild pics of him partying showing up online.
Hey yall!
MAMABEAR,
Would you really like to have a sleepover at the Ant’s house?
Where’s Kimcon tonight?
I’ll settle with just being a fly on the wall
just read on another website that they expect the grand jury to have an answer late Tuesday already. Lee did get the DNA test done also. George will testify but not sure if the others C and bro will. Although the witness list has 82 people on it they may not have to all testify. I guess it could also matter if people who do testify change there mind or alter staemtents at all. They are also predicting that the judge will refuse her request tomorrow. there theory is that she wants to look for a live Caylee and police can prove there is only a dead Caylee
LOL Amy
Oh gee…. I beg to thought..
Hi Cat & everyone!!!
Oh, boy, tomorrow is fast approaching and on the east coast the time now is 12 (midnight).. Do you think M is sleeping? Could you sleep if you were her? Hummmmmmmm… I couldn’t…
only thought I have is that she went to this area during the day some time after 10 in the am. seems prettty bold to think she could take a dead body out in the open and no one would notice. I don’t even believe the accidental part. she was too careful with her research. Zanni is the only puzzle I haven’t figured out. How did she know that she was at the apartment complex that day…. described her car. that is a little strange to me
No, she on Facebook the door on my laptop keeps opening and closing. She’s up all night.
I agree, I don’t think there was an accident… besides, if there was an accident, she should have been advised by “big buffalo butt” to admit it quickly and accept a lesser punishment… but rather she goes full-boar and it’s my opinion that the state is going to persue and murder one charge (IMO)
CFC,
She was probably was over at Saw Grass visiting her friends in Tony’s jeep, and saw Zenaida going into the management office so she watched and then went in and stole the application.
are you kidding me… I bet she is planning on what to where for her appearances, and planning what tattoo to get when she gets her freedom. Maybe a manicure and hair done. Then off for another shopping spree, then she will drop out of sight. If they took her off house arrrest would she no longer wear the ankle monitor. She would be out of the country by dinner time.
If she is reading all the reports and stuff like we are. she probably knows just how close to finding the body LE are. She also knows what they have on her comp and texts, not mention not knowing what her family is going to say. They dont just get to talk they are asked questions and then you answer just no cross examination. so C & G will only get to give the version the police get them to answer too.
Really, Cat!! That’s girl!! Can I tie her in a knot now?
who are you wantingto tie in a know now? see,s like there are only three of us here. If I am bothering you I can just leave for the night.
I jsut feel that she told LV about murdering Caylee. He was cooperative with LE in the beginning and then all the sudden it stopped. He won’t take a polygraph, and he is laying low. Why wouldn’t he take the polygraph what does he have to hide?
maybe he is protecting the sister from the death penalty. I admit that this new developement has me puzzled and concerned
Idefended them alot I would be disallussioned if I was so wrong about LV
CFC,
What? Your not bothering anybody.
I hope is momster is reading this…
Momster, if you read this, shame on you for putting your family through h-e-double chopsicks… You are a real spiteful, witch with a “B” in front of it!
Needed to get that out!
I wasn’t sure who you wanted to tie aknot in. you mention girl so I thought it was one of us bloggers. I knwo dak was little angry with me earlier he likes to pick fights …
Oh, I’m sorry, it’s not you.. I was speaking about momster.. sorry about that.. my computer is taking a while to load…
CFC,
I thought LV was the only sane one in the family, but he is acting very strange.
If bro was the child wouldn’t he have taken custody of her and singed her over to mom. then he would have rights to her also. M was 19 when she was pregnant. Old enough to know you can’t sleep with you brother and he is even older and not her type. He even talks about how she goes from guy to guy. seemed digusted with it.
Has Kimcon been on here today? I haven’t seen him tonight? That’s odd.
I think once they come to terms with the fact that Caylee is dead they will all fall off the deep end for a while. I can only imagine how hard that would be to deal with a child of your family being murdered, but then to realize it was your own family member who murdered her. If he and M were close then he might be feeling betrayed and guilty. thinking he should have known something was wrong or that she was loosing it. guilt can be very powerful
I don’t think so, Cat.
G. & C. have only been married for 22 years. LV is 25 years old. Is he from George’s first marriage?
seems like maybe early in the day kimcon was on… but it could have been that people were just talking about kimcon. seems like some people got irrated with some bad behavior and chose to go to another site
I think “G” maybe at that point…
These past couple of weeks must have been hell in that house, don’t you think?
Hmmm. I miss the little rascal.
Yeah, Lee looks so different, I want to say that momster and him maybe half sibs?
Cat, are you talking about KimCon?
interesting I hadn’t heard how long they had been married…but maybe they lived together before getting married. but it would also not explain why C andLv seem so close. You are usually closer to your biological child than a step child. then how can M be 22 if they weren’t married with her then either? or is it that both kids are from different spouses. and G adopted M
CFC,
Sorry to hear that. His posts were very informative, and at time he threw in some kimcon humor. I liked him, and I will miss him.
Actually if I remember Kimcon got banned by Simon last night.
Not to judge, but, perhaps her mom was a little promiscuous, too?
Yes, Amy
that is strange thing. I just hope that we get some really good info after grand jury so we can really see what is going on. You know bb is going to try and have a pic at the grand jury which will supposedly prove the babysitter existed. I bet C & g andLV don’t know what to think any more. LE is telling them one thing. BB is telling them other stuff and making them not trust the LE, M spins stories and gives false hope that Caylee is in Puerto Rico or Mexico.
Why Dak?
you mean C nah the rumor M put out was daddy was seeing someone and that is why they almost got divorced in 2005-2006.
I think were really close to hearing the forensics that the Legal for the state has developed.
CFC< I hadn’t heard about that detail of an alleged affair?
I thought they had a strained relationship over finances, because that was the same time they were going bankrupt?
In case you guys are curious about Kimcon read this
Jan Barrett said,
in October 9th, 2008 at 1:41 am
kimcon22000 posted this tonight starting with another comment:
…i just left the other blog,and read jans new post and then simon posted later in case some missed his post go back it was just left, in case some more crap starts in this room tonight, he isn’t going to tolerate it anymore..
What’s your point? No one cares what they think. This is America and I’ll say what I please. You and your other clones may bow down to some bozo demi-gods but I have a brain and self-will. If they want to erase my IP then I guess they’re as shallow as those who fear them. So save your threats for someone who cares-this is not Russia. Go peddle your fears somewhere else “follower”.
Now for our comment to kimcon22000:
WE run Blogger News and WE care about what our bloggers think. We have asked a few times for you to cool it and since you have this attitude we will ban you from here. And that does NOT make us shallow.
Jan and Simon Barrett - BNN Editor
yep but m was telling all her friends and jesse I think that dad had an affair. Ithink the real battle was over M herself. they both had to work to support her and then Caylee and she did nothiong but party and live this carefree life. It would drive me nuts. Then when C gets fed up and threaten M all she has to do is smile say you know you are right mom, I think it is time Caylee and I move out. C would have been putty in her hand again. anything t okeep Caylee.
I guess what happened to Kim means we all better behave.
I have to say, KimCon was exceptionally bold last night.
CFC, I think you’re right. Just like how M told friends that he had some medical issue, too.
Some how, especially, her mom would push the envelope with her and then retreat, in almost a passive aggressive manor.
I think in the end C had been seeing a therapist who told c she needed to get M out of this house and persue custody of Caylee. Which she was trying to do evidently when they had the arguement on the 15 over grandpa’s money. That is probably why C is acting so weird she has taken on the guilt. If i hadnt pushed M too hard I would still have Caylee. I think that is why she has to keep believing that Caylee is not dead.
does anyone know what count in Florida this is happening. is it orange county There is a way to check for criminal records in escambia county Florida and wanted to check on any of anthonys it would even show divorce, restraining orders, stuff like that
WOW! I can’t believe what I just read. That doesn’t sound like kimcon. I hope one of his students didn’t get a hold of his computer, and post that to Jan & Simon. That just doesn’t sound like something kimcon would write.
So, CFC, when you say that “you think this is why she has to keep believing that caylee is not dead”. Do you infer that it’s to keep the weight of the guilt from laying solely on her shoulders or to some how make it up to M?
Just curious, both seem possible
Amy,
I wonder if that was really kimcon on that computer?
No i think it is soley the weight of guilt for herself. In her interview she told the police she doesn’t care where M ends up she only wants to know where Caylee is and that is on aug 4 or so well after m is arrested
CFC, I believe it is OC, FL
If not Catherine he is going to be really pissed off that someone did that.
Concerned you live in Escambia county Florida.
Cat., Don’t know for sure… But from the get-go yesterday, he was attacking everyone, even if they just ignored him..
BB is not allowed at the grand jury. It is a show for the prosecution only.
That’s why I logged off last night.. got really old..
CFC, interesting.. Terrible, how M can manipulate everyone as she did so well!
Hi Snookies! Been awhile, welcome back, friend!
Yes, he will be really upset. That’s a shame.
Sorry, to hear that Amy.
It’s okay, Cat. I chalked it up to someone having a bad day.
We all have them
Going to watch NG. Nite All
Nite, cat!
Hasta mana! Can’t wait, hope M wears something decent tomorrow..
no I live in Texas I knew someone who lived there and got into some trouble so I learned how to look up public records there. You can see what they are arrested for and stuff like that. Just was gonna check on divorce, marriage and if LV had been in any trouble.
That’s a good idea, CFC!
I wonder what kind of outift M will wear to the hearing in the morning.
Bet it won’t be a “Find Caylee shirt”
Anybody want to take a guess.?
Hi Amy
arrests and stuff like that are public record if you know how tofind it. Since no one has come forward with anything on the rest of the family I just assumed there was nothing. But a search of the records would show at least during the time they lived there or in that county
I wonder if BB is working with her on manerisms for tomorrow…
rather then putting a “spoil brat” look on her face to something that is more humble.. just a thought.
If I was bb I would say, nothing too form fitting.. look like “holly hobbie” and no-make-up.. leave those damn white glasses behind, too
I think she will go in there all respectable, but showing enough cleavage to get a second look by the judge so she can smile sweetly at him. ( assuming its a male judge) She’ll bat her eyes, cry a little and look pleading at him to get to search for her daughter. She is so desperate to search that she can’t eat or sleep and she will never forgive herself if something happened to her beautiful daughter.
With LV first refusing a DNA test voluntary, I bet LE is now checking his DNA against outstanding cases in the area for a match.LOL.
yep if they have any kind of data base link system then it would be connected to more than just florida.
Oh, I hope its a female judge with female guards
Is it possible then tomorrow she maybe putting back on those pink cuffs?
And no chewing gum either.
no tomorrow will just be hearing and ruling on motions filed by bb…. She wants off house arrest to search for her beautiful child. She also wants to keep where she is a secret even when she meets with the jail.
Very interesting… I was thinking that he didn’t want to be linked to being the bio-dad to caylee? But you guys think its because he may have some kind of prior offense? Very interesting… didn’t think about that..
if she is smart she should take a box of kleenex so that when she wants to smirk or laugh she can hide behind tissue and look like she is crying or upset distraught
its all a guess at this point. someone commented earlier that LV C & G all have blue eyes while Caylee has dark eyes. so they seem to think scientifically that rules them out as dads. but I dont know about that
others have speculated that maybe M got him to help her cover it up. but I dont thin that he seemed to willing to call the police. if he already knew Caylee was dead the smart thing would be to cover it up and say mom I will go see her M and agrees then they buy more time.
Caylee’s dark eyes could have come from great grandparents.
Remember a while back that Padillia said something to the affect that the mood all of a sudden changed in the home. I think her inferred that they were told the truth by M about what had happened, then the mood towards the media, tim, padillia, and everyone else changed. Perhaps, Lee didn’t want to do the lie detector test because they were privy to the truth?
maybe but there is something about if both parents carry the recessive gene which is blue the all children would carry blue. someething like that. not my field of study. The police believe for some reason the story about the man named Eric James Baker is the bio dad and that he was killed in an accident about a year afo. Jesse grund was tested as the dad and he still access to Caylee’s DNA tat was at the lab so if the parents could provide anything of the man who died’s DNA it could be proven real quick if he was the dad.
Well LV did pick up the lap top at Tony and everything for at least a month prior had been deleted. M did not have advance notice that C was coming to get her as far as I know.
yea I think the mood changed when police showed G & C and lv the tests that prove Caylee is dead. The don’t want to believe it and m is only to happy to give them a different story…maybe even promising to go and get her when she gets off from this mess. Thats why grandma C wants to fyl to puerto Rico. Surely LE have already checked with airlines that go to Puerto Rico to make sure no little kids were on the flan manifest. Do you need a pass port to go there?
I see what you’re saying CFC. However, the parents of the dead young man lawyerd up and are saying not… but, who knows.. a friend said that it was from a one night stand with a military guy. It will be very interesting to find out thats for darn sure.
Snookers, your right, could be from the grandparents..
Puerto Rico is a US territory, I believe. You should not need a passport.
Mom was told by m that it was a one time thing with this guy that they had been friends off and on in school and that he lived in Jackson, had come up for a visit and “it” happened. By the time they figured out she was preggers shewas with Jesse so she thought it was his. Jesse took the test but was not the dad. M didn’t want Jesse tested. She claims this other guy Eric was the only other option. ALso on her lap top there is a poem oof sorts rest in peace type thing. with the name Eric James Baker I think
Yes, you do.. and to transport a child over borders.
Living in California, I know a little bit about that since, this is how they control one parent taking a child over to Mexico with out consent.
But I hope the other family never finds out. How truly devasting for them to lose their only son to a car accident, never know he is a dad and only find out after she is killed by her own mother….. horrible for them
So how was she smuggled out of the country if M new story is correct? about selling her to someone in puerto rico. unlesss she was dead and went in a suitcase? then that would mean that one of those in her group that took that trip is in on it.
I agree, if indeed that caylee father is still alive, how devistating that whole ordeal would be..
Padilla hinted some time ago that the DNA for Caylee and Casey were very similar and that if the truth would come out, everybody would be real surprised.
even if he is dead it would be bad for his surviving family… It would be like losing their son all over again. Now he might have gotten married and had a child of his own. I think that is the story M gave c. so if that is true then they would at least have something left of their son.
Well, I think that the child must have documentation, along with a shot record and pass port. I had to show my passport for a pre-9/11 cruise to the bahamas.
Puerto Rico is US territory. People living there are US citizens. Not considered smuggling out of the country.
Snookers, what do you mean? Wait, do you mean that G maybe the father?
yea but sometimes I think he puts out there his thoughts before lab tests comeback. He once said the the dunpster at amscot would help break the case open and I tought he was right then. I figured she threw her in the dumpster knowing it would be in a landfill long before anyone noticed her missing. Since her car was parked right next to the dumpster it made sense to me.
that or Lee because m and lv must have similar dna if they are both G & C children which we were debating earlier. someone said they had only been married for 22 years. yet Lee is 25 and m is 22
Yeah, I know it’s a US territory, but, don’t parents need documentation these days to take children out of state. With my step son we have to have a note from his mother. And our family is all very close?
But I truly don’t know..
A close relative based on what Padilla hinted.
If any truth in it, BB would love to get his hands on that info.
I am pretty sceptical, have not seen any real proof except Padilla rumors. Incest is a lot more common than people think though.
Hi All,
The sandman is calling.
Thank you all for great chat this evening.
Look forward to seeing M walk into the court house tomorrow, where she belongs.
Amy, you do need permission from legal guardian to take minors anywhere. Or it is considered kidnapping. When you take a kidnapped kid across a stateline , it becomes a federal crime I believe.
Kidnapping a Fla kid and taken him/her to Puerto Rico or Georgia, would be a federal crime.
I just saw a blog on another site that said that an informant from Bb office says she was found under a concrete slab in g & C bacjyard. when i clicked on the link it said that it had been lagged for removal so that was akk i saw. I was looking to see if Lv gave a reason for not wanting to give a sample
I think LV dna is not going to shock anyone. he refused the gave him a supena but he didnt hire an attorney and try and fight it. with what is the probable cause to force me to give dna. Maybe he is just parnoid that once police have it he could get poped for something donw the line. Some people think like that.
another interesting thought I didn’t think about is maybe LV is doing recreational drugs and maybe he is afraid it would show up and get him into troulbe. it was suggested on another blog site that talks about the refusal of dna test. Is everyone gone for the night. If i get no more answers I will assume so
CFC,
Have not read anywhere reason for LV refusal of DNA swap. LE got it anyway with a search warrant.
Buried under concrete slap. Now, that is pure fiction, I think.
I do have lots of faith in Tim from TES though. I think he will come up with Caylee or whatever is left of her.
Late going to bed .
Nite , nite.
nite nite to you too. The ANts did agree to polograph test and then hours later changed their minds. I bb and M had something to do with that.
GOOD BLOGS TONIGHT. INTERESTING. SORRY I DIDN’T GET TO JOIN YOU ALL, NEW GRANDBABY ARRIVED TONIGHT, SO MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BLOG. IT WAS AWESOME TO SEE SO MUCH ACTIVITY GOING ON REGARDING THE CASE. IT SEEMED TO MAKE THE BLOG EASIER TO FOLLOW AND QUICKER TO REPLY BACK TO OTHERS. LOOKING FORWARD TO CATCHING UP TOMORROW WITH THE BLOGGING. SOMETIMS IT MAY SEEM LIKE WE ARE REHASHING OLD NEWS, BUT WHEN NEW BLOGGERS COME ON, THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE THOUGHTS TO ADD AND CONSIDER. GOOD NIGHT FELLOW BLOGGERS!
c 4 c - I don’t know…L didn’ hire an attorney cause that would make him look guilty of something…he has stayed real low while c and m for the most part had all eyes on them..I think it is still possible he is involved somehow…he is the one of convinced c and g not to take poly and he is the only one refusing or refused DNA…i think it’s very possible he is caylee daddy…and helped get rid of her body cause of his need to tell LE that when describing the smell in the car..
” when I smelled it for the FIRST TIME”..oh why did he feel he needed to say FOR THE FIRST TIME…and he joked about it…my red flag went up on him at that time.
C4C - Lee has blue eyes??? They look dark as the ace of spades to me
If anyone should be banned it would be RV…he was impossible
I’m still here Caylee angel…sorry!
Wow! You do rise early up yonder, now don’t you?
Good Morning Sunshine’s….
question: was reading the documents about the checks and noticed that momster was born in Ohio State however City is listed as Unknown? has anyone else noticed this? was it listed on the first 400 page doc’s?
or am i seeking something not worth seeking for?
Easygoingmom…that is probably true. I think I read somewhere the G. once worked as a deputy in the state of Ohio several years ago. Many have went on to write homicide…I question that classification. I think a few may have dreamed that up to start a rumor he has covered up the crime scene though advances in technology would not have been his main concern as a security guard for a local newspaper.
hi all, i’m on early today… does anyone know time of court hearing
morning RV
oops sounds like someone spoke too soon about you…lol
hi all, i’m on early today… does anyone know time of court hearing
morning RV
oops sounds like someone spoke too soon about you…lol
Hi, Pammyliz! The hearing is at 10:30 am and will be aired live on wftg (in Orlando I guess).
mtc
thanks I will still be home then. maybe i can hear something ebfore i leave for work… my girl was supposed to get her butt up for pre school but shes oversleeping so… i will be here… I am having a time getting her up to go, but the thing is she likes it (pre-school) but then has to go on to daycare after that so i feel its too long a day for her. (12 hours) I am feeling crummy right now, torn between making her go? or letting her sleep :(.. i mean she is just 3…lol.. sorry just a personal bit there…
pammyliz, if you aren’t pressed for time I’d let your little girl sleep.
However if I was actually there (like an “Aunt MTC”) I’d be awfully tempted to “accidentally” wake her up just so’s I could read her a book, play “tea time,” and give her a big hug! (LOL)
JAN HAS POSTED A NEW ARTICLE. WANT TO MOVE OVER THERE?
It’s number 118107
Date Oct 10
Title: Caylee Anthony’s Grandfather Set to Testify In Front of Grand Jury
NEW BLOG JAN STARTED
over at
118107
Grandfather G. Anthony Scheduled to testify -
http://www.bloggernews.net/118107
has everyone left o go over to new article? Ican’t find it on my page anywhere? any ideas
118107 new blog, new article
bloggernews.net/118107
Oct 10, 2008
Grandfather George Anthony Scheduled To Testify
“How can this woman have convinced an educated man like Jose Baez that she is telling the truth?”
ha! Does anyone really NEED to tell you how?? Now, how she’s convinced her family…well, that’s easy - she’s their daughter! Even that freak Jeffrey’s father still loves him after what he’s done, but probably wouldn’t have believed it if they hadn’t found heads in his freezer…ugh!
Child abuse/murder has gotten way out of control. There is never, ever any reason to abuse or kill a child. It makes me sick to think there are scumbags out there who are doing this every single day. Where’s their heart, for Pete’s sake! There is a such thing as being able to spank a child without going psycho on them, and spankings should be the LAST resort…it all just makes me so very angry!!!
Dear Heavenly Father we come to you tonight, first to ask forgiveness from those of us who are letting all the evil in the world make us doubt real Justice. I for one have truly struggled when I see all these Children caught up in the bad acts of parents: Caylee, Cole, the kids whose mom dissappeared after a fire and Person of interest is their own dad, Drew Peterson, Scot Peterson,… Could go on forever. I come and ask forgiveness because I do know you ARE IN CONTROL and I know you will bring Caylee home. I pray for all my fellow bloggers, all the families of missing children, the poor frightened children who are in their worst nightmares, Law Enforcement who face this kind of evil everyday, The brave souls who search for the missing even knowing they might find something they will never forget. Give us all the strength to hold onto the only true thing we can believe in. YOU! Father, we also pray for the courage to not only stay the course for Justice for Caylee, but that we use this horrible reminder to see EVIL for what ii is and work in our own communities to see that it stops and that there may never ever be another ” Caylee Marie Anthony”. Lord we ask your protection over the little innocent victims in all of this and to provide them a guardian angel to help them through their trial. WE still pray Lord for you to help bring our Beautiful Caylee home so she may be buried with the diginity, grace, and honor that her innocent life deserves. All these things we pray in Jesus Name. AMEN>
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