I have been the editor of Blogger News for nearly 3 years, which is a lifetime in the world of the Internet! During that time I can not recall a news story that has provoked more reader response than the Caylee Anthony one. My wife Jan has been reporting on the case since it broke in mid July, and every story elicits huge reader response.
In looking at the comments, and many of the articles have hundreds of comments, it is clear that 99% of people think that Caylee Anthony is dead, and the obvious killer is her mother Casey Anthony.
I don’t know nearly as much about the case as Jan, but seeing as our computers are three feet from each other, I get to hear a running, blow by blow account of what is going on. In my mind the guilty party is obvious, it is just a question of when are the authorities going to slap the cuffs on Casey Anthony once and for all.
In fact if I had my way I’d slap the whole family in Jail on ‘obstruction of justice’ charges, and make sure that they were put in with the general prison population, Casey Anthony would be singing like a bird in 20 mins! I’d also slap the idiot lawyer Jose Baez in clink on an arrogance charge, any lawyer that has the gall to make the comment “It is not in my clients best interests to tell all she knows” does not deserve to be practicing law. Three year old Caylee Anthony has been missing for almost 3 months, and this idiot is taunting the world with comments like that.
I am sure that the police are just waiting to pounce, but until they have their ducks in a row it seems to us outsiders that they are doing nothing. You can bet your bottom dollar that is not the case. They are sifting though every scrap of information, and when they figure the case is airtight, body, or no body, it’s off to the slammer with this stupid young woman.
So again, kudos Jan for keeping us all informed of what is happening in the case, and thank you to all of the people that have weighed in with their comments.
Simon Barrett - Editor
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“In fact if I had my way I’d slap the whole family in Jail on ‘obstruction of justice’ charges, and make sure that they were put in with the general prison population, Casey Anthony would be singing like a bird in 20 mins! I’d also slap the idiot lawyer Jose Baez in clink on an arrogance charge, any lawyer that has the gall to make the comment “It is not in my clients best interests to tell all she knows” does not deserve to be practicing law. Three year old Caylee Anthony has been missing for almost 3 months, and this idiot is taunting the world with comments like that.”
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You speak for many, Simon, and very eloquently I might say.
“isn’t in my client’s best interest” reminds me of the stupid remark made by Casey to investigators about her ‘missing’ cell phone. “It wouldn’t keep charge and I could only talk for about 30 minutes before it would go dead. AND, FOR ME, THAT’S NOT PRACTICAL.”
Well, no, Casey. And having a 2yo toddler cramping your style wasn’t practical OR IN YOUR BEST INTEREST, either. But you took care of that, didn’t you?
thankyou thankyou simon exactly how all of us feel about that whole twisted family and their muppet of a lawyer,yes we are all impatient for those metal braclets slapped on her wrists but i have full faith police are making their case full proof and then we can finally let little caylee rest in peace.
***EXCELLENT* article Simon,
Jan is our HERO too, BTW!!
***EXCELLENT*** article Simon,
Jan is our HERO too, BTW!!
what about if Caylee was put in a suitcase,
at some point anyway, would make things a bit more difficult to find “her” i doubt she weighed much over 30 pounds, if that.. she was teeny.
i am also going over to Simon’s blog for a few, so who will post where lol
anyway then back to work.
i meant jan’s blog lol
Great post. And I agree 100%.
I say……………”Put her in the slammer on check fraud charges, put her in the general population of the inmates, and LET ‘EM AT HER”. Whatever hte case may be? Casey’s life is over IN or OUT of prison. Either the population of the outside world will get her or the inmates are going to have field day with her!!! I would like to be at the side show when the inmates get her to talk, and she will sing. It is not going to be pretty, but THAT would be justice!!!!”
I believe that Casey is guilty. However, I am unsure of what she is guilty of. I am sorry but if they found decomp in the trunk, she would have been arrested immediately. Coming from a family of law enforcement, this is just a given. I agree with America on how messed up Casey is, but I think people fail to think about the cause of why she is the way she is. With that in mind, what or who has happened to her and how far would she go to prevent the same from happening to her child. In all the cases of women killing their children, I noticed one thing in common, remorse and regret. It is built in. Casey does not show this, but I don’t believe she is incapable of feeling this. Maybe she honestly feels her daughter is better off wherever she is as long as she is away from whatever or whoever affected her. Her mother, Cindy seems just as messed up and full of hatred for Casey, is this jealousy? I may find myself disgusted to find out my husband is messing with my daughter, but if I didn’t leave him for it, would I be filled with jealousy?
I am aware of the underground systems, especially in Florida. And though it doesn’t seem likely, it’s not completely unthinkable for a mother to send her child off to protect them.
Anyone on the Anthony’s side should be locked up as not one of them can tell the truth. I am from Canada and have been following this story from day one. Makes one wonder how much money they will make when and if it is ever over. Can they just say where Caylee is and save all the time and money they have spent searching for her. There will be movies and books for sure when they sell their story.
“Stage 4: Black putrefaction - 10 to 20 days after death
The pig’s body has collapsed with black exposed surfaces and creamy flesh. Photo: R. Major
State of decay
The bloated body eventually collapses, leaving a flattened body whose flesh has a creamy consistency. The exposed parts of the body are black in colour and there is a very strong smell of decay.
A large volume of body fluids drain from the body at this stage and seep into the surrounding soil. Other insects and mites feed on this material.
The insects consume the bulk of the flesh and the body temperature increases with their activity. Bacterial decay is still very important, and bacteria will eventually consume the body if insects are excluded.
Insect activity
By this stage, several generations of maggots are present on the body and some have become fully grown. They migrate from the body and bury themselves in the soil where they become pupae. Predatory maggots are much more abundant at this stage, and the pioneer flies cease to be attracted to the corpse. Predatory beetles lay their eggs in the corpse and their larvae then hatch out and feed on the decaying flesh. Parasitoid wasps are much more common, laying their eggs inside maggots and pupae.”
This which i excerpted from the previous posts link to decomposition is the stage i believe Caylee was in when her monster mom placed her in the trunk of her own car …and which all the evidence points to, sigh…
cj..It almost sounds if you are using US Army standards when referring to a pigs body…what the ‘L does that have to do with Caylee?
i hate to think it, but she could be in the belly of an alligator. poor little girl. so sad
Joyce, there are some in America that recognize that the news often doesn’t report the truth nor would they know it if it bit the in the butt. That is why the legal system is in place to prevent such “witch hunts” from ignorant blood thirsty people such as the buffoons we have seen in front of the Anthony home.
chryvine…I agree with you wholeheartedly. It does seem unthinkable to sacrifice your child in fear the underworld would get your family. The parents aren’t worried about it. The only people who make such a deal out of it are people in the law enforcement and/or entertainment industry…Padilla wanted her in a safe house.
People who trade in children and drugs aren’t near as tough as others give them credit as being.
Life is stranger than fiction! Simon, I agree with everything you said. I’m suprised the mainstream media have not commented on the Jose Baez statement as it knocked me out of my seat. The Anthony family have been in a massive coverup and continue to do so unchallenged by the press. On day it’s “we know who has Caylee” then the next day it’s “why aren’t the police and media looking for Caylee?”. Casey feels above the law as she has never experienceed any repercusions for her actions as evidenced by her family’s current and pass behaviour and the fact that she wears a “Help Find Caylee T-Shirt” in public (rubbing her nose at law enforcement and the public). I believe a single solitary taste of reality will jolt this women to dilvulge the truth.
i wonder what happened to casey in her childhood to make her scared of her mother. i mean every chance her mom got she put casey down. and casey is very scared of her mom. if not for that i think she would have already told where cayle body is. and i think casey has shut her mind doen to what and where cayle is. since casey is know for her many men friends her lawyer may be her new male friend?????
I agree with the comments about the family being charged with obstruction. The comments at the beginning of Casey knowing where Caylee is and then George saying ‘we know who has her and they are being watched’. were ridiculous. If you knew, wouldn’t you tell, bring her home and stop this crazy circus going on in your life? I think that the police are putting all their ducks in a row and they will charge. They don’t want to charge too soon and her get off because of double-jeopardy.
I disagree with “Chryvine”. LE has nothing to lose by taking their time on this case. Casey is not going anywhere. As Simon said, they want all their ducks in a row. Without a body they want an airtight case.
Without a body, there is no such thing as an airtight case. And I agree they need to have their ducks in a row, but charges can be brought up with the evidence they say they have. They would then have plenty of time to put it together.LE is perfectly aware that if they would put her in general population their chances of her cracking would multiply due to the dislike for her. There is no pressure on her, so why bother telling the truth.
chryvine: I believe that LE is doing a thorough investigation and will bring appropriate charges when they’re ready. It’s not enough to find decomp in the car - they want to prove that she’s responsible for it!
And they have to avoid “mistreating” her (like putting her in general population - which they have not so far) because the public view could easily swing to see her and her family as victims. Maybe that will change when they charge her with murder. But by then they’ll probably know enough that it won’t matter what she says.
M (short for monster, short for you know who) exhibits all the signs of a sociopath who will only tell the truth when it is in her best interests. As her attorney, Baez, pointed out so clearly and stupidly the other day, it is not in her best interests(to help find her child). That’s all the admission of guilt that I need.
I am sorry that you believe that putting her into general population would be mistreating her. I think she generally committed a crime. And in my belief, it would be treating her with special privelages to protect her from the enviroment in which she earned. I don’t commit felonies because I know that I cannot survive in that kind of enviroment. She has no fear. And without fear, there is no respect. Society has a way of weeding out the bad, that way is not acceptable to people so in turn we have a justice system,which works about 50 percent of the time, but the original way was nature and there’s nothing wrong with nature.
chryvine: I meant I think that LE may have been taking certain precautions early in the case so as not to appear to be mistreating her. At least in the beginning when she was first arrested, then bailed out, then re-arrested on economic charges and the original bail revoked.
I’ve heard psychology experts say that isolating her might have helped make her talk. And she was isolated in jail those first times.
But either it didn’t work or she got bailed out too soon. It’s perfectly possible that LE will put her in gen pop when they arrest her the next time and that is fine by me!
i agree twocents,when i watched the footage of m in jail on phone call to cindy and was being begged to say where caylee was all she cried about was all everyone wants to know about is caylee and all she wanted was a phone no for her boyfriend!that doesnt seem to me like a mum frantic about her missing daughter.
This story is so much like the Drew Peterson case. He was always on the screen and in the news.so what ever happened to him and will this story end up the same way. Like nothing happened. They finally got OJ but bet that one is not over either .You people in the US know how your tax $$$$$$$ is spent.
Good afternoon to all: nothing new to say, just reading all your excellent comments.
We can all still hope and pray that with the return of EquuSearch, they might still find Caylee’s remains.
I think Kobe just wants in on the attention and as some of you said….a first hand look a the evidence himself. He could still harm the defense if his testimony actually hurts Casey’s case, right?
ChsAh: If the defense knows that Kobilinsky’s testimony could hurt their case they won’t put him on the stand. Don’t know if the prosecution could at that point. They might not know what he would say - but could wonder why he’s not being called during the trial.
mytwocents: good point. IT will be interesting to see what he (Kobe) does. NG isn’t using him much anymore is she? Naughty Kobe…
It is a shame that Cindy didn’t change her mind about putting on the pressure. M was sure her mom would never forgive her in the first interviews. Now that she knows her family believes her, she will never crack. Then she truly wouldn’t be forgiven. If Cindy wanted the truth, she should have held her ground. Not allowing her to stay in the house, telling her the truth would be the only way they would keep contact with her. How sad! God bless you Caylee!!!
I’m new here, and am coming to appreciate all the comments that are so spot on. This is the best blog on this topic that I’ve found yet…
General population is chock full of women who would give anything to be home with their children. They will ~definitely~ not take kindly to someone like Casey cavalierly tossing aside the life of a precious baby. They’ll take care of her azz and good…
Stay with us Jeannie (and everyone else)!. It might be slow tonight but the blogs on this topic (here on bloggernews.net) have been HOPPING most days and nights for months!!!
Lots to discuss, argue, theorize about etc. Never boring. Although as I said it might be slow tonight. Also there is another story on bloggernews.net on this case right now and some people are posting over there. Go to the home page and scroll down just a bit. It’s about M. and written by Jan.
To all: OK, in my head I know Caylee is not here on Earth anymore. But, what IF, just what IF Casey did sell her for money and a way to get even with Cindy? Maybe investigators are going to steal her back in some way. Maybe Caylee is in another country. This kind of thing happens. Children are stolen and sent to other countries. I guess I am have a hard time coming to grips with this whole thing. My young daughter lives with us and so does her daughter. I could never imagine something happening to our granddaughter and all of the sudden she is gone, never coming home.
It obvious that Casey has screwed her mother over so many times that deep in Cindy’s heart she knows Casey is plain no good. I am sick to death of this whole story. If Casey was my daughter, the situation would never have gone this far. Casey needs to be tortured or something to make her tell the truth. Again, I cannot imagine Caylee dead.
hi jeannie,your soo right about all of us would give anything to be able to stay at home with our children but probly like u,out working to give our children a happy life,pay bills,boring stuff that parents do but wouldnt swap those working days for any nightclub or party,and yes m day will come and she can shake that booty ass of hers all she wants in her cell.
Thanks - I’ve been lurking for awhile now and think that all of the regulars are really interesting
grandma2twogirls, your thought is what ALL of us wish were true (Caylee alive and coming home), but some of the DNA evidence in this case has indicated she was deceased when placed in m’s car. That pretty much convinced most of us that she is in a better place. But……..miracles do happen, it never hurts to quit praying.
Welcome aboard our blog! and to Jeanne as well!
Just curious if anyone else caught this/thought the same thing - I was wayching NG the other day where they played a taped interview with Lee and he was describing C as asking “who took her who took her”? in regards to Caylee whereas M answered “Umm, the nanny did”. When I heard it it struck me as ~lightbulb goes off for M moment~ and she says “um yeah yeah that’s the ticket - someone ~TOOK~ her”. Just my $0.02
jeannie,grandma2tgirls,have u read other post today caylee anthony mother described as one of the toughest.
I’m Back!
~Stumbles In Room~
HA!
hi kimcon,think most are on other post caylee anthony mother described as one of the most toughest
Simon, wonderful, thoughtful note you wrote!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts…
Agreed, general pop, for the momster, will get her to sing like a bird!
BTW, I ended up not going to Santa Barbara due to the fact that my board meeting went long… So, I’m back!
Hi -ya’ll!
i heard that she confessed is this true???
where is everyone tonight!?!?
Hello!
I am a grandmother of 3 beautiful grand children. Now that my children have grown ,my grandchildren are my life. If anything like this ever happened to one of them I would be going bannanas and if for one minute I knew that my daughter had anything to do with it, I would not have her staying in my home and I love my daughter very much. Casey should be locked up and put in with the general population that have ways of making people talk. When she was in jail they gave her special treatment. Caylee was a beautiful child and Casey didnt deserve to have her.
Oh, wow, I just did a google search 5 min. ago and didn’t see anything about that.. but if she was smart, Maze - that would be great..
it was a topic that was going throug are town so i was kind of hoping there was some truth to what happened just to put her someplace instead of no where right now
Agreed, Sylvia, time is overdue for the Momsters parents to show her some tough love and bring that little girl home to finally rest!
I did hear that equsearch is back out looking for the body.
I went to myfoxorlano.com and they only have info. today on dumb ol’ O.J.
that figures hes another one of those that belong behind bars
Local6.com
Beary said that additional evidence is coming but he has asked investigators not to brief him until they are ready to release it.
The sheriff also said that he is hopeful that the case will come to a close before he leaves office in less than three months.
Maze, Tim from equsearch is a good guy, he lost his daughter to a murderer as well..
Its seems to me that casey is guilty of the death of her daughter. I also think that the reason she keeps running everyone around in circles and not comming out and just saying this is what happened to Caylee…. and just ending all of this is because she likes her “15 minutes of fame.” and shes trying to make it last for as ong as she can.
chryvine said,in October 4th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
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I believe Casey is guilty as hell and the FBI has confirmed the DNA is dead Caylee’s. You, chryvine are either 10 years old or a fucken moron. Thing it is the later.
chryvine said,in October 4th, 2008 at 1:43 pm I believe that Casey is guilty. However, I am unsure of what she is guilty of. I am sorry but if they found decomp in the trunk, she would have been arrested immediately. Coming from a family of law enforcement, this is just a given. I agree with America on how messed up Casey is, but I think people fail to think about the cause of why she is the way she is. With that in mind, what or who has happened to her and how far would she go to prevent the same from happening to her child. In all the cases of women killing their children, I noticed one thing in common, remorse and regret. It is built in. Casey does not show this, but I don’t believe she is incapable of feeling this. Maybe she honestly feels her daughter is better off wherever she is as long as she is away from whatever or whoever affected her. Her mother, Cindy seems just as messed up and full of hatred for Casey, is this jealousy? I may find myself disgusted to find out my husband is messing with my daughter, but if I didn’t leave him for it, would I be filled with jealousy?
I am aware of the underground systems, especially in Florida. And though it doesn’t seem likely, it’s not completely unthinkable for a mother to send her child off to protect them.
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Undergroud systems, in Florida, LOL….so you are aware…Hilarious….you moron..
Have you ever heard the term Sociopath? Research Diane Downs. There is your cookie cutter of Casey Anthony. I can’t believe what an idiot you are. IT’s a GIVEN LE would arrest right away….Geeze..what an idiot. And free advice, quit living vicariously through your “LE” family. LOL
Well it’s nice to see intelligence at it’s best. You need to check a little deeper on those reports of DNA. The only sign of Caylee being in that trunk is a strand of hair and I bet you could find many strands of hair in many trunks especially since her coat was in the trunk. The evidence of decomp came from AIR tests, not DNA. Now, I don’t think anything, like the LE I am listening to all possibilities before I take anything and run with it, as for your so lovely judgement of me, that is something you can answer to when your least expecting it. God Bless You!
I feel for you. Do you need some phone numbers? There are people who can help you.
To You are Nuts: You need to back off with the vulgar comments to chryvine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am one that knows Caylee is probably dead but my heart tell me NOT to give up. There is always hope and faith. I live in St. Louis and think about Shawn Hornbeck and Ben Owensby. I believe Casey’s parents are beside themselves and don’t know what to do. My daughter and granddaughter live with us but she is nothing like Casey. She goes to school and is trying to make a better life for herself and daughter. We help her 100% as long as she does what she is suppose to do. The situation with Casey would never have gone this far. It would not have been tolerated in our house. My daughter has never stole from us or lied. She loves her daughter. She is her #1 priority and we help as much as we can. Cindy and George need to be given a break on this whole mess. I think Casey should be in jail to give herself sometime to think and then maybe she will talk. I hope and pray that Caylee is alive with a good family. My heart speaks more than my brain.
Thank you Grandma to 2 girls. I am one to have hopes when things are hopeless too. It’s part of what gets us thru life. And Faith creates miracles. Congrats to the family doing good, I have to boys, 17 and 13 and they are wonderful, never had any problems beyond the expected teenage attitude now and then. You are right on te toleration, though I tend to beleive that tolerance acted as an aid to create “Casey”. But we can hope and hope and hope until they turn up a body, then we will have to accept what is. She is guilty, but what and how is the question.
To: Caylee has stolen America’s heart said,
Thank you, I know what probably is true but I cannot give up hope for this beautiful baby. My granddaughter resembles Caylee’s looks and this is breaking my heart. I am obsessed with the whole story. I think I need to stay off of the computer for a while. I have Caylee’s picture hanging on my frig with other kids who give me their pics. It will stay there until she is found. Again, thanks.
Note to some of the harsher postings. Everyone needs to remember that we are not the ones who did anything wrong> WE are each entitled to express our feelings. There is no need to be ugly and attack each other. Anyone in LE would know that they never release all the info that they truly have. In Florida the law requires you to go to trial within 145 days of charges so rushing to charge her in a case where she isn’t going anywhere is pointless. Without a body it IS harder to get a conviction…. M has made it harder by indicating to some people that G borrowed her car and may have hit and killed something. THe LE have to be able to prove only she could have done this. I think M is a soiciopath which isn’t caused by family problems either so the blame game for G & C seems harsh at times. I think they act like people who have totally come unhinged. What would I do if my grandchild were missing? Then to believe my own child did it? Much easier to believe lies than confront reality. I have heard the interviews as I am sure most of you did. If they were just as guilty as M then they would never have forced the issue. G even says in his interview that the smell caused him fear and it bothered him alot. I think M used Caylee to control G & C because they didn’t want to lose her. Now that M decided to move on and have a life she punished them by taking away the one thing they really cherished Caylee. I know this opinion will not sit well with people because they are so angry at the whole ugly story. I remember something that C said in her interview about how the media forgets about missing kids after 2 or 3 days. When the officer was talking to her about saying things that weren’t true. She is desperately hoping that keeping the media fed will generate info to find missing Caylee. Before anyway writes hate comments… I think C is delusional now. But I think she has to believe this for her self. They have been much quieter recently as I think things aare sinking in. That attorney may very well be forcing them to cooperate by promising to tell them where Caylee is.
Please , someone that has more law knowledge than the general public, give us a lawful reason that Casey is’nt in jail for the misc. crimes that she has committed against other innocent ppl that knew and did’nt know her? That in itself is ungodly and unlawful.. If this was on typical joe’s head guarenteed we’d all be in the slammer..
Why can’t Casey wait it out in the slammer like anyone else?
You are nuts: everyone is welcome who wants to join Jan & Simon’s blog, but keep up the foul language and they will give you the boot. You are entitled to your comments but you should be nicer when trying to express them. KK???????
Like a vast majority of people, I too have been keenly interested in this case. First and foremost let us all be mindful that this is about a two year old humanbeing and what her twenty-two year old mom did to her. Yes, it is so obvious that whatever happened to Caylee was a direct result of Casey’s actions. What that exactly entails, I have no idea. That being said, we do not have to become like a monster ourselves. I do not want any intentional harm to befall Casey. As a civilized humanbeing, I want her to have a fair trial. I also want her to be away from the general public in prison, because eventually as time passes, she will be moved into the general population. I say this because I have faith that LE will make a concrete case against her and she will be found guilty. If that does not happen, well, I believe that Casey will never know true happiness and will continue to lead the destructive life that led to Caylee death.
Copper, I’m not LE, but unfortunately there is a due process that has to be followed. Everyone is entitled to bail out if the judge has set bail. NONE OF US are happy about her being out and 95% OF US on this blog believe she is guilty or murdering Caylee. But…..if they don’t allow her the same legal rights as anyone else, they could jeopordize this case against her. Sorry…….not want you want to hear but it’s my opinion.
I walk away from the computer to do the laundry and I come back, and so much transpires..
I believe, however that the DNA matching Caylee to the hair has come back. The police have confirmed that Caylee is dead.
Well said, CHSAH.
welcome to the blog oldmotheroftoddlerboys!
Sociopaths are generally NOT social people. Though Casey may have some of the traits of a sociopath, the disorder is actually an antisocial disorder and as we have read through many messages and heard from all of her associates, she is very social. I think calling her a sociopath is actually excusing her of the responsibility of the actions she is responsible for. Even if they find Caylee alive, she is still guilty of something.
Oh, yeah, where are my manners tonight! Welcome, OMOTB!
Regarding concernedforcaylee post, i most definitly agree with you. Also, this is just a theroy, if you will,(my thoughts go to worse case): Has anyone else heard that George is not Casey’s bio dad? Given that has anyone else maybe thought that he might be Caylee’s bio dad? What if Casey had been molested by George for a very long time. Would this kind of dysfunction lead to sociopath behavior? Would this dysfunction result in Cindy’s utter denial of anything remotely absurd? What is going on with this family? I would enjoy any thoughts regarding this.
The momster is most certainly guilty on many accounts!
If it was up to me, she would be in the slammer!
Hey, thanks for all the welcomes!
hi Amy! Didn’t make the trip huh?
Well, OMOTB,
I think anything is possible in this case.. a while back it was talked about possibly Lee and momster, hence the name caylee…
I think you’re on to something in terms of many skelatons in the closet of the ANTs
Amy, I agree with you on the DNA…….I hate weekends cause there isn’t usually anymore newer news! But it is still good to hear other’s opinions!
BTW, sociopath is defined by antisocial behavior. One can be very social, i.e. going out to clubs, having friend and still be a sociopath. Antisocial behavior encompasses many things but most of all lying. Google DSMV and then sociopath.
No, CHSAH!
I’m so upset at myself… I planned on getting on the road at noon, after my board meeting, however, the meeting didn’t let out until 4:30… Good grief, would have much rather looked at the beautiful scenery of HWY 101 - along the coast then sitting in a board meeting.. However, on a plus, side, I was missing this blog!
That is what my original comment was leading to many hours ago.
Perhaps, something traumatic occurred and the behavior kicked in. Perhaps in was repressed? Just a thought..
chryvine, I don’t think a sociopath (spelled?) is antisocial, the are just self centered and it’s all “about me” is what I thought? (among other things….) but I don’t think they are antisocial????? I’m no expert so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong!
I’m just stunned that her parents (C&G) haven’t kicked the tar out of her yet… There is no way on this good green earth, that I could live in the same household of someone like this!
However, I do think C&G had part in destroying evidance…
I do think that they too don’t want to have the identity of the father of Caylee revealed.
Just a thought… but, if the father is one of her ex-lovers who is still alive, he may too sue this family?
Don’t you think?
Amy, sorry to hear that you missed your trip….. but glad your HERE!
What mother (Cindy) would not want to know who knocked up her daughter?
Thanks, me, too
Amy, your comments are right on target with my thoughts! Everyone else is suing…….they probably would to. Not to mention if Caylee were ever found alive (I know….highly unlikely) by IF she were, they could end up with custody since all the Ant’s see to me nutsola!!!!
As parents we all love and cherish our child. Also as parent we are heartbroken when our children fail. But fail they must. Success is only learned through failure. Resilency, strength, and persaverance are the results of failure. Cindy would not allow her child to fail. She would not allow her child to take responsibility for stealing, lying, and cheating. As parents, I believe we would not tolerate a young adult offspring stealing from their grandparents. We would take action. We would instist that our child take responsibility and right that wrong. What is going on with this family?
Amy, I would bet that they asked Casey who the father was and I’ll bet Casey couldn’t give them an answer, so she made something up. That woman has slept with so many men at once, I doubt she knows who the father is!
I think momster has learned behavior.. her mom seems very similar in both vengance (sp) and a super duper hot temper
Antisocial Personality Disorder is chronic, beginning in adolescence
and continuing throughout adulthood. There are ten general
symptoms:
not learning from experience
no sense of responsibility
inability to form meaningful relationships
inability to control impulses
lack of moral sense
chronically antisocial behavior
no change in behavior after punishment
emotional immaturity
lack of guilt
self-centeredness
This is directly off the website I am researching and what I learned in Psychology as well. Though many of the traits may fit, unfortunately, they fit many other traits as well. This is why correct diagnosis of mental illness is difficult.
I must correct myself. I was sexist in stating that Cindy would not allow Casey to fail. George must also be held responsible for allowing Casey to having never been held accountable for her actions. My apologies.
Can you believe that! Terrible, she should have givin that beautiful little girl to a family who would love her..
well see you all later…….got some movies to watch tonight! Talk with you later Amy!
You’re sweet, OMOTB… Both C&G created this train wreck of a daughter
To All:
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Nice work, chryvine. Most agreed with last sentence. I am an armchair psychologist and am quite good at diagnosing family members. LOL.
Grammy, good idea! This would be horrible if they give those people any money!
I think that some of the more famous or infamous serial killers that were sociopaths seemed like “normal” people until there secrets were exposed. Most of M’s social life was made up that can’t be social if they don’t exist. Also even they way she treated her “friends” was not right steal from them, lie, fight over nothing, have more than one guy lined up at a time, make aa date and then have to go to your imaginary job to work so she breaks the date Sociopath doesn’t mean not responisble it means she has no feeling or remore period. Which means her actions could very well be repeated if something gets in her way she is removed. There is no medication to control it it is just who she is. Question as to parentage. Both Lee and M have some last name as parents so either he is biological dad or adopted them. But Lee is the older sib so it seems unlike that M would have a different father (althoug not impossible) I think what I see with the G & C drama is that M used Caylee as a weapon, drove a wedge between G & c because C wanted to excuse her problems to keep Caylee and G was fed up with the attitude. If there had been abuse by G M was old enough to legally leave that house and take her daughter with her. there would be no need to go underground to protect her from her family. If M was really afraid of C she certainly wouldn’t talk so horribly to her mom. SHe acted like a person who knows you have no choice but to do as I say. I believe M has been using emotional blackmail to control C since the birth of Caylee. C is acting like the devasted mother looking for her child, desperate to believe anything and try anything to get her back. M either felt like if she didn’t want Caylee then no one else was going to have her either. At 22 M could have easily left that home and she was 19 when she was pregnant so she would have been able to have moved out to stop the abuse. And if it occured she would be afraid and hate G more than C. I think Caylee’s biological fathers name is Eric James Baker. There were some notes on a computer talking about this gentleman having passed away. WHen C was talking to the police they asked who the dad was and she said that M told her his name is Eric, but she hadn’t met him or rmembered his last night.
Correction, sorry I meant to say these traits fit many other illnesses. This is what I wrote.
“This is directly off the website I am researching and what I learned in Psychology as well. Though many of the traits may fit, unfortunately, they fit many other traits as well. This is why correct diagnosis of mental illness is difficult”
Either way, I am afraid we may be giving her excuses. Maybe there’s nothing wrong with her except like one said, learned behavior. Any mental diagnosis would be easing her of the responsibility.
what is the definition of Sociopath
CFC, the above gives me somethings to ponder… Thanks!
Concerned: I do think my theory is a little far fetched and you proved that. I find your insight on Casey using Caylee to control Cindy interesting. How do you get to the point of using your own daughter to control your own mother? I am so blaffled by this family.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sociopath
I think caylee’s father is still alive.. However, I don’t think momster ever told him. I do think caylee was a pawn for her to manipulate her parents.
And that momster not only felt that caylee was stealing her attention away within her family, but was a hinderance to her social life, and began to resent her when she started to talk and comprehend everything..
I too am an armchair warrior!
read this definition of sociopath and see if it fits. Be open minded. Profile of the Sociopath
This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
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Other Related Qualities:
Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim’s life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim’s affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
I say this is MOMster to a t
Just found this: Antisocial behavior may also be a direct attempt to alter the environment. Social learning theory suggests that negative behaviors are reinforced during childhood by parents, caregivers, or peers. In one formulation, a child’s negative behavior (e.g., whining, hitting) initially serves to stop the parent from behaving in ways that are aversive to the child (the parent may be fighting with a partner, yelling at a sibling, or even crying). The child will apply the learned behavior at school, and a vicious cycle sets in: he or she is rejected, becomes angry and attempts to force his will or assert his pride, and is then further rejected by the very peers from whom he might learn more positive behaviors. As the child matures, “mutual avoidance” sets in with the parent(s), as each party avoids the negative behaviors of the other. Consequently, the child receives little care or supervision and, especially during adolescence, is free to join peers who have similarly learned antisocial means of expression.
She sure does have a few screws loose!
much earlier today, I mentioned that Tim from equsearch is back and is looking for a dead body
Amy: Ok, she sure does. Tim said out right that he was looking for a dead body? I skimmed over it. What did he say inregards to Casey, if anything?
I don;t think he said anything this time about Casey.. But he doesn’t have a whole lot of nice things to say about the family, entire family..
When we look into serial killers we find that many were sociopaths, and many were antisocial. Sure, the people at work thought they were quiet and sweet, but they tend to be private. People didn’t notice their sociopathy because they didn’t let people in close enough. Casey is a liar, she partied alot, she couldn’t keep a job, these are common learned habits and traits. I have met many people with these similar issues in life. I don’t think any have been diagnosed as sociopaths. As well as many killers are not sociopaths. Her lack of remorse is scary, but until we know exactly what she has to be remorseful for, how can we judge? Even a sociopath can grieve the loss of their own daughter, and she isn’t even doing that.
oldmotheroftoddlers.
If you read the above definitiion these people are very maniplating. The turn you into a victim. I THink M has run and controlled that family for ever. I have a teenager he can manipulate me to where i don’t even think I am being fair with his punishment… and he is not a sociopath. THey are all vicims of M.. a Friend of the family had commented in an interivew that C was acting more like the distraught mother than M. I think she was the protector and nurturer. Seveal comments M has made.. lIke why is everything always about Caylee. and stuff that she thought and was angry that she didn’t come first. hence ther narcisitic part. (i know I spelled that badly) I do believe at some point G c should have put a stop to do it. But from what I have gathered the bulk of the problem just game outat once. The money taken from Grandpa was the fight they had just before she left with Caylee and then no more Caylee. The parents thought she was going to work, when they saw her she was good to Caylee, it wasn’t until after the fact that so much info has come out showing us this side of M. I bet they hadn’t seen it either. Notiably there have been no one from her past that I have her make statemeents to police or to media saying how messed up or trouble she was in school. Lee seems normal enough. at least to me.
I am afraid that her personal life as a 22 year old mother wasn’t textbook, but I can say honestly, in my opinion, this partying and kickin it with her friends is kinda standard nowadays. I was partying it up at 22, thankfully I had a family that was there for me and my child so I could get that young person out instead of letting resentment build from having my first son young. Support goes a long way. But control and support are two different things.
What a great point, chryvine. Let’s say Caylee was stolen by Zanny; why isnt she freaking the **** out. I would be, you would be, even my acoholic neighbor would be if it were our child. That is one of the reason this facsinates me. I just cant wrap my head around it.
I’m going to hit the hay! Chat with you all tomorrow!
Thank you for the wonderful chat!
I also was wondering about her past. I had thought I had seen or read that Cindy said that Casey was a half a credit away from graduating high school. I really dont believe that. Why didnt she graduate? Yes, I think the control was going on for a very very long time. I would love to her from people in her past. C’s past too. I believe C’s brother blogged that C’s was just like Casey growing up.
Thank you, Amy. Have a good night.
did any of you read the definition of sociopath that I looked up wanted to know what you thought in reference to M
Read definition and whole-heartedly see Casey in it. And C too. Lee seems normal, what’s up with that?
Sociopaths seem normal until exposure. That’s part of the danger. Yet I still believe that we would being excusing her actions. I will assume she is responsible for her actions until proven otherwise. Defense would love to use mental illness as an excuse.
He just has down played hings alot. I think he supports his parents but I think he believes his sister is guilty. From interviews I have read and heard of his he has along along repeated anything he was told by G C or momster. I was pointing out that if this is something that was caused by C 7G as some people believe then wouldn’t Lee seems just as crazy. The supposedly the name of Caylee’s dad was really Eric James Baker. IF you believe what Casey said.
I don’t think it qualifies as mental illness she knows its not right to Kill she just does it because she believes she is above the law. that doesn’t qualify as mental illness. soicopath. With no hope of rehabilitation there are not much choices for them.
Well if he was molesting Casey, he may not have been molesting Lee. But thats all an “IF”
But then why wouldn’t M have moved out as soon as she could… Why contiue living in the same house with him. But I do unerstand the what if theory. May the sick grandfather when she was little, uncle or something maybe, teacher at school, but there are lots of girls that are molested and even raped and they don’t become MOMster. Please take this in the tone i meant. There are more questions right now for all of us than answers . I am tossing out other possible senrios and am by no meas minimizing or critizing yours. I just wish we could solve the puzzle and find peace for Caylee and everyone esle who deserves it.
Absolutely by no means do I want to exsonerate (sp?) Casey from any responsibility relating to the death of Caylee. Having said that I cannot bring myself to refer to her as a monster. Down to the core of my being I believe that all humanbeings are born “good”. It is our environment that shapes us. I just want to know what happened? What went wrong with Casey. What did she do to Caylee? How in the world could C and G believe anything that came out of Casey’s mouth. And chryvine, I partied it up until my mid thirties, and was fortunate to have experienced that as an independent single childless woman. I then was blessed with children and the wisdom to put all of that behind me and to realize that the most important priority was my children. I admire your honesty and I could not have been a healthy parent in my twenties. Kudos to you and the people that gave you support.
I find this to be lively and intesting and not at all do I feel any critism. Hope you all feel the same. Agreed too that many children are molested and do not cause the death of their own children. I also believe that Casey knows right from wrong but does believe that she will never be caught, i.e. smarter than LE and/or is above the law.
oldmomoftoddlerboys
I think we are in agreement and i find this site therapuetic because my son gets sick of hearing me talk about it so much. It’s nice to have a place where people feel just as moved by all this. If they find Caylee, then that have to prove the she exclusively had motive, oppurtunirty. That is why she starts spinnng the story about her Dad using the car nad then it smelled bad. She was setting him up to take the rap… so she could have Cindy under her control. G was trying to get my to stop getting in the way of M taking her consequences. I think that was whatthe almost divorce between G c was all about.
Please don’t forget that Cindy is not the most believable person. I am afraid she is no more honest than her daughter. With that in mind, the possibility of “some truth” in some of the stories is there. Cindy first lied about the last date Caylee was seen, I find it hard to believe that she would forget Father’s Day with her grandbaby. I think the last date she was seen was one of the NOST important pieces of evidence.
That makes so much sense! I would love to know what was going on with that divorce deal. I also was think that Casey was drugging Caylee to keep her out of the way. Possibly, she over dossed her and caused her death, it might have been accidental. Not that drugging your child to keep her quiet is accidental, just giving her too much is.
gone are the days of cough syrup. Welcome to the world of chloroform!
Does anyone believe G when he said he saw Casey and Caylee monday after father’s day? And why hasnt LE released G’s taped interviews? I think G has or is withholding key evidence. Thoughts?
lol, chryvine
Cindy didn’t seem to lie about that. She was confused when she was asked a month later. She said it was Father’s day but she said the wrong date. They voluntarily turned over the computer that had the vido of the grandpa at the nursing home with Caylee. Just a week or two before They dad was sick and she thought she might lose him, then after the visit with Grandpa that is where the money M stole from Cindy’s Parents came up. Back home they have a big fight and the the next day Casey leaves for “work” and then just leaves, makes excuses for a month avbout where she and Caylee are. By the time the police ask C 31 days later when she last saw Caylee she says June9 because that was when she thought she was with her dad. She was only off by 1 weekend. I don’t think that was a lie it was confusion and trying to go back and remember. I don’t think the date would have stuck out because until after they know they will never see her again they didn’t realize the signifence of the moment. I think she is asking more like I would aspect the mother to be. So upset and irradic.
Just popped in for a moment before calling it a night. Read all your good comments and see several people I haven’t ‘met’.
I am Gumshoe and have been blogging about Caylee since the first article Jan wrote on this site. Have followed the case from the first day, read all the documents, listened to all the sudios, watched all the videos, seen Greta, Nancy Grace, Geraldo, and Dr. Phil shows on the case. I watch the web cam in front of the Anthony’s house when anything is going on. I recieve breaking news on the case in my personal inbox. I haven’t missed much from the start.
I am, I guess, obsessed with the fact that a 2 year old little girl was missing (dead) for a month before anyone knew. I despise people who commit crimes of this nature and make it so hard to find evidence to convict them.
But I have faith in LE that Caylee will have justice and that Casey will pay for her crime.
Nice to ‘meet’ you all.
BTW, is anyone else cleaning up toys this time at night and letting the dishes go until tomorrow? Because I am.
I have heard G taped interview nad he seemed forth right to me. He even voluntarily tells them that the smell set off warning bells for him. Do you have media player. do a websearch for George anthony interview and it will take you to his interview. But it is a waeb link so you use your own mediia player . He makesa reference to how bazaree this whole thing is getting.
Nice to meet you too, Gumshoe.
Thanks for info. So the men in this family seem somewhat normal, G and even helpful to LE, Lee. What is up with mother/daughter dynamic? And agree that C plays role of mom of Caylee much more than Casey. I also think that she was just confused on dates, not trying to be decietful.
C a C, I think C actually did go to see her father at the assisted living on Sunday, the 8th. But she went alone that day I think. (I believe this info is on the video released last week of her interview with LE) So when she stated that it was the 9th that she last saw Caylee, she was talking about the next day (Monday)
All of that actually happened the NEXT weekend on Sunday the 15th and next day (Monday) the 16th.
But since Casey first said (and still does I guess) that she dropped off Caylee with Zenaida on June 9, Cindy just automatically thought June 9 was the day after Father’s Day because she knew she had Caylee herself on father’s Day.
I wonder how Baez will fix that part of Casey’s story?
sorry C 4 C, I called you C a C, which is Concerned ABOUT Caylee, another blogger.
Makes sense, automatically C agrees with Casey that its the 9th because she goes along with what Casey says. How will that be explained by the defense is such an interesting question. Imagine how many (hundreds!) of decrepancies the prosocution will point out to a jury. Maybe even more.
I think that M has always craved being the center of attention and after Caylee was born she apparently wasn’t anymore. I believe C was very angry with her points of telling lies, and stealing money, taking her credit card and running up the bills, but I bet everytime mom would kick her out M would threaten to take Caylee and you will never see her again. That would always stop C because she loves that child. When M had a guy to replace them mom attention she no longer needed C so she leaves her but doesn’t want to her to have Caylee because she can’t be allowed to have anyone she loves more than M.
One thing that I still keep going over is: She said “I dropped her off between 9 and 1pm on July 9″
What mother doesn’t know what time she dropped her child off on any given day? Of course she also said she “got off work, drove back to pick up Caylee” when she didn’t even ahve a job.
Interesting to me still is: 9am to 1pm is the exact time that Tony said he had classes every day.
Well I am unsure that day will ever come. I have been reading about Florida cases where they waited years to prosecute based on finding of bodies and if they find her body, casey will have no choice but to confess in exchange for avoiding death penalty. Seeing that in a few cases here. It’s common. Actually seeing quite a bit of guilty pleas in exchange for LWOP instead of death.
Thoughts on if maybe Casey was in denile of dead Caylee and had her in the trunk for awhile?
I agree. I also find it hard to believe that she has no one helping her? I would think she would want someone to help with the messier parts of this. If she in fact search missing children sites months before Caylee ever disappeared, and researched Chloform on her computer and searched for the name Zenida that is premeditated period not even accidental. Alo I have heard that (not sure where) that they had went through M high school year book and found kids by the names she is using but all mixed up. Like there was a zenida but not Gonzales. Rosale Gonzales. Juilet and some one else named Lewis. If that is true then these people were manufactured in advance. I question whether it is a plot to look insane so to get off. If that’s true she couldn’t have accidently done it.
chryvine, I don’t think Casey will ever admit to anything–not even if evidence ( a body) is placed right in her face. She will simply blame it on someone else. She told LE she was sticking to her story and she will, no matter what they have against her.
To admit that she had anything to do with Caylee’s death, would be to potentially lose Cindy’s (and Gerorge and Lee’s too)support and attention. And that was the reason to get rid of Caylee in the first place—to become #1 with Cindy again.
There are cases where people block things out if they are too much to accept. The human brain does weird things to protect us from trauma. See alot of these weird stories on Discovery channel. However, her lawyer would not have made that comment concerning her best interests if she honestly blocked it out. But it does happen. Mostly in children I think.
This is the 1st time I’m on this link. I just happened to glance at this link, but I must say, what Simon wrote, is what alot of people feel !! Yes, OBSTRUCTION IS WHEN CINDY SAID THE CAR SMELLED LIKE DEATH, BUT THEN CINDY WASHED CASEY’S PANTS, & WHATEVER ELSE CINDY DID TO COVER-UP FOR CASEY !! Than changed her statement about the CAR SMELL COULD BE THE 12 DAY OLD PIZZA IN THE CAR !! Does anyone know if the strand of hair the cops found in the was ever tested for DRUGS, Like the CLOROFORM !!?? This whole situation is sooo HEART WRENCHING !! WE THE PUBLIC, HAVE MORE HEART & SOUL FOR CAYLEE, THEN CASEY WILL EVER HAVE !!!!
The chance of the Death Penalty has a way with making people rethink.
Whoever blogged about FL law and however many days that they had to proscute after charges were filed was eye opening. I think they are going to get her on other charges and are just buying time to get as as much as they can on her so that they can charge her with murder and make it stick. I do believe that day will come. There is just too much public outcry for nothing to happen.
Hi, MaMaMia.
chryvine, you are right. IF Baez can convince her that’s where she’s headed, she may very well rethink.
DO you think she killed her sister? or her daughter? If in fact people are right in saying Caylee is georges, that would make her a sister as well as daughter, how did she see her when it came to the jealousy?
I can see Casey talking if it saves her from the death penalty. Now what she will says will not be the truth.
In exchange for lesser sentence they will make sure her testimony is varifiable or she will get no deal. That I am pretty sure of. If it doesn’t pan out….no deal.
Lets say M is blocking out the Caylee has died and what she did with the body. She should still be upset and afriad if she doesn’t know where her child is. The attorney also making a statement like”it is not in my clients best interst to tell where Calee is. is a pretty big stupid statment. Because it implies guilt.
HYPNOSIS!
Interesting comment, about getting rid of Caylee so that Casey would be #1 with C. I did read that some witness stated that Casey and C were becoming closer before Caylee’s disapperanc? Is that right?
I don’t know that it mattered to her about the jealousy–only that she used to be #1 in Cindy’s eyes, Cindy had become disappointed in her and threw it up to her (in front of people like Jesse) that she didn’t finish school, didn’t have a job, wasn’t a good mother (she told Lee), etc.. while at the same time she was so proud of Caylee, spending money and all her attention on her.
I think when Cindy confronted her on June 15 about the money issues ( stealing from grandparents) and did what the counselor told her to do (kick her out and try to get custody of Caylee) then put her hands around Casey’s neck as if to strangle her, that Casey just decided she wanted to get back at Cindy. Since it was too hard to kill Cindy (her first choice?) she killed the person Cindy loved most.
HI !!! To ALL.. I just hope that there is enough evidence to convict CASEY, That she doesn’t get OFF !!
oldmom, that’s correct.
yes one of the boyfriends said that…maybe Jesse. and that M maternal insticts tended to shut down. I am guessing that M felt inadequate to care for her own daught watching someone else do it. And her calls from jail were is that all you care about Caylee. ? Speaks volumes to me about where she is. its all Casey all the time. Where as C is fantic, desperate, stupid and willing to say do or believe anything if she thinks it will conclude with Caylee comning home alive. In her interview she even tells the police I dont care where Casey is at I just want to find Caylee.
Did C really put her hands around Casey’s neck? I never heard that. If that is the senerio, I totally see Casey killing Caylee to get even with C. But then how does the premeditation figure in. C4C makes has a very good argument there.
I am anxious to find out if Caylee is George’s or Lee’s child. I don’t know what else Padilla could have been saying about the DNA unless it is that the DNA only matched family members–no other (father) DNA involved.
If the hair could have been Casey’s OR Caylee’s, then Casey’s would have George and Cindy’s mixed DNA. But Caylee’s would have Casey’s and the father’s DNA—not all familial DNA—would it not??
I was dumbfounded when I saw on taped interview that C didnt care if Casey was dead, all she cared about was Caylee. Makes me feel sad for her on so many levels.
But most mothers wouldn’t kill their child for revenge, however, make her dissappear?
hope to chat with you all again tomorrow. It is late and I have to get up for Church sleep well. The chatting has been good once the potty mouth person left. We all managed to agree and share our ideas. Hey maybe we should all run for Congress. We might get things done> lol
oldmom, it’s in the documents–I’ll try to locate whose statement it’s in tomorrow and post it.
How would LE be able to distingish Caylee’s DNA from Casey’s if G or Lee is father of Caylee? What would be the difference? Does anyone know?
Thanks for the chat C4C. Have a goodnight.
goodnite C 4 C.
I, too, have to be up early for church. I will be back tomorrow.
Take care, everybody. ‘Nite.
I keep posting a link but it is not posting…chloroform is found in the air as well as coastal waters.
Where can chloroform be found and how is it used?
Low levels of chloroform are found in the air and in coastal waters, inland rivers, lakes and groundwater.
Levels can be higher in industrial areas as well as in the air above swimming pools containing chlorine
Chryvine—
a link won’t post anymore. Try leaving off the h t t p and/or w w w and just post the link that way. We all know to add the W w w before hitting the search key.
I’m gone. “Nite
I believe you, gum. Why hasnt anyone like NG talked about this? Was this kind of physical behavior typical of C. Is this how she parented Casey? I dont think this is what happens typically when a young adult daughter and mother fight? Or am I wrong? That just seems way out of hand to me.
dhss.delaware.gov/dph/files/chloroformfaq.pdf
Nite, gum. Thanks for chat.
Yes, the STRANGLERING was on brother LEE’s interview tape. Yet, CASEY was planning this since the month of MARCH, checking out MISSING CHILDREN SITES.. PLUS, that POSTER, with the LITTLE GIRL, with the comments of KILLING !! Who the HECK would be checking out stuff like that, if you weren’t planning to get rid of KID !! It’s just too sickening !!! Who really was checking out the CLOROFORM, whats the timeline on that !! was it CASEY, or CINDY to clean the CAR out !!??
yest they can seprate dna, but if it was a match it would be hard. But Jesse Grund had DNa test run years before to see if he was her father . He was not her father, but the lab he had the test done at still has Caylee’s sample as well. So maybe they needed to get that sample to compare to the one in the car. It would 100% uncontaimnated since it was collected in a lab and had roots for dna Testing. or if they did a mouth swab it would give a perfect dna sequence. then you could compare them to other dna fluids that they collected at the scene of the car.
oldmom, NG did indeed have thiat on her show. She, too, was appalled that Cindy would try to strangle Casey in a fit of rage. And I think casey just left and did probably the same thing to Caylee to get back at Cindy and to rid herself of the burden of caylee.
You bloggers are too good–You make it hard to leave.
now chryvine has a link for me to read. I’ll never get up in the morning!!
Lat time–I’m gone!!
Sweet questioned mama, timeline on chloform is important. Also, I heard the comment that Casey’s laptop was left out in the open. Therfore a variety of people could have used it. It might be difficult to prove who searched for what.
nite all.. I will check back tomorrow to absorb more theories. Had a great time.
Oh I forgot about paternity test. Yes, her DNA would be on file to compare to hair in the trunk. I think that if Lee were the father that genetic abnormalities would have been found. I totally rule out Lee as the father of Caylee. I wonder if LE has pinpointed who is bio dad? Its really a crap shoot isnt it?
Goodnight chryvine. It has been a pleasure.
I suppose I shall get some rest too. Thank you all for the great commentaries. Cant wait until tomorrow.
yes the parents claim the dad is Eric James Baker his name came up in Cindy’s interview with police. and there is also a message on the laptop in reference to Eric James Baker and r.i.p. with a sad little poem there. SO if M told the truth then he was the father of little Caylee and he died a year or two agao.
If I remember right, on NANCY GRACE show, the search 4 CHLOROFORM was done with CASEY PASSWORD LOGIN. This whole thing is so mind bogglering!! Cause Casey waited 32 days, to say anything about SWEET , INNOCENT CAYLEE !! That’s what makes it a FIGHTING BATTLE to get the PROPER EVIDENCE TO GET THAT BBBBB CASEY !!!
I dont buy that Eric story. Casey herself might not know who the father is. Then again she may, but I bet you it isnt that dead. Now I must go. I really dig this blogging.
Many thanks to Jan and Simon for an excellent article.
Just spent the past hour reading all of the comments…most of whom I agree with.
QUESTION…DNA testing would prove who the father of Caylee is…why isn’t LE being up front & telling us??? {Casey probably doesn’t know who the bio-daddy is because she “partied” with many boys/men!}
QUESTION…why isn’t this habitual thief/liar/sociopath not in JAIL????
STATEMENT…Jose Baez told us that we would all feel compassion for Casey when the truth came out…WAITING…WAITING…WAITING!!!!
DISGUST…when I heard about a BOOK DEAL I knew that this family ONLY CARES ABOUT MONEY…my heart is with Caylee! {my only child gave birth to a 9 month term stillborn at the age of 37..then one day after her 39th Birthday she presented us with Luke…one month premmie & by “C” Section…we are BLESSED!} Meanwhile Casey continues to “PARTY” “STEAL” and LIE…doesn’t appear to care about Caylee…only about herself!!!
STATEMENT…I don’t believe anything that comes out of the mouths of Casey/Cindy/George nor Lee!
BOTTOM LINE…Casey IS guilty of the death of Caylee {either accidental but more likely on purpose!}…Cindy & George are despicable for covering up the fact that their daughter is a habitual thief & liar!!!
BOTTOM LINE…Casey was fired in 2006…LE should tell us how she received money since then…probably Child Support…but me-thinks that Casey found ways to supplement her income..probably by prostitution!
QUESTION…Why would she need a babysitter???
ANSWER…because she needed to get “John’s” in order to feed her drug habit!!!…I could be wrong…BUT why would she steal from everone including her ?parents?…once again it certainly wasn’t to procure nappies!!!
STATEMENT…I WILL NOT ACCEPT a plea from Jose BAEZ on the grounds of INSANITY…Casey knew EXACTLY what she wanted!!!!…little Caylee was a burden on her life…SADLY CAYLEE IS DEAD!!!!
I think the reason that the DNA cannot be definitely assigned to either Casey or Caylee is not that they have identical DNA, but that LE is referring to mitochondrial DNA which is passed directly from mother to child. Nuclear DNA would reflect the genes of both mother and father and would not be exactly the same regardless of who fathered Caylee.
At least thats my understanding. Any scientists out there to verify/dispute?
Gumshoe said,in October 5th, 2008 at 1:21 am:” oldmom, NG did indeed have thiat on her show. She, too, was appalled that Cindy would try to strangle Casey in a fit of rage. And I think casey just left and did probably the same thing to Caylee to get back at Cindy and to rid herself of the burden of caylee.”
That sums up my feelings in a nutshell too…
Has anyone seen a picture of Casey when she was young? I would love to see pictures of her with her family - especially with her Mom. When did this total control start to happen? We don’t know much about her life prior to Caylee. Watching this case has been so upsetting to me, not only because of what obviously happened, but about the whole life of this group of young people, which can represent a very large portion of the young party crowd. Not many of these shallow, irresponsible, selfish people took much interest in Caylee.
The grandmother finally tried a little tuff love (too late) and will always blame herself. But knowing what her daughter was doing - the lies to stealing of money - that child should have been taken by the grandparents and during the day put into a good day care - they should have followed through, -taken custody of her and protected her. As a grandmother I would know the “babysitter” - as a Mother I would know where my daughter worked - I would know where she is “crashing”, especially with my granddaughter - I would definitely know the name of the father of my grandchild - And if I had a friend that had a child, I would want to know how the child is - where she is - have some interest.
It took 31 days for someone (the grandmother) to want to find out about Caylee - no one cared or bothered before that. Not one text message from any family member or friend begging to see Caylee, or even asking about her. So sad.
The Anthony family and any friends of Casey were literally brainwashed. I have dealt with people like that before in various occasions - you ask them a question and a whole confusing story evolves - at the end you realize you never got an answer to the question and feel so confused with all the details you let it go because it’s too complicated. The people in her life are only puppets - she is the puppet-master - scriptwriter and director of the Casey Story.
Hi every one! I am new to this site.. as well as all the sites. But I have folowed this story from day one. I have read all the comments, and
definately agree that M did kill Caylee, on purpose or not. Not Relevant.
She needs to be held accountable for these actions.
I would like to interject that some people do not believe Casey is a sociapath because she likes the puble eye. I know that everyone remembers Ted Bundy? He was the MOST social being.. and the most prolific killer, a true sociapath. Outward signs never are a good indicatio n. Just my thought. I hope and pray that baby is found and give a decent
burial. Just another thought, if M was my daughter I would move heaven and earth to make her tell me the truth… it is our responsiilty to our children… and the precious grandchildren.
PS.. I love this site, I will be back. Thanks!
Lilred: I think some people are getting mixed up over the use of the term “anti social.” To lay people (most of us who are not in the field of psychology) it means someone who shies away from people or social situations. That is not what it means when the psychologists use the term.
To them “anti social personality disorder” (which includes people who are sociopaths like Monster) means people who pretend to fit in with crowd, feign friendship but use people, lie and steal from them, and feign emotions because they have none themselves.
I won’t carry on with it. Just wanted to point out that “anti social” when used to describe this personality disorder does not mean what we’re used to it meaning. It’s anti social because the sociopath has no conscience and no real connection or feeling for other people even though they may appear to be your best friend or lover - just ask all M’s friends! Gives me the creeps!
Laurie at 6:22 I agree with everything you said. Although I thought that Cindy said (1) that she talked to M everyday during that month and also said (2) that she tried to call her and begged her to let her see Caylee. Personally I can’t believe anything C says anymore.
Regarding your 7:28 am post I believe I heard a psychologist on TV make a similar comment. That the people around a sociopath (like Cindy with M) get so wrapped up with the lies they constantly hear that they just about become accomplices of the liar.
But like you said, how could any “good” grandmother not have seen, met, spoken with, have a phone number or address for the person who supposedly babysat for 1 1/2 years for her supposedly beloved grandchild? Makes no sense to me at all.
Jill from Western Australia:
All good questions.
1) LE would need DNA from the father to be able to compare it to Caylee’s DNA. Another blogger suggested getting DNA from every male in Florida. That’s probably what it would take - unless he moved out of state!
2) LE tried to keep her in jail with a very high (half-million dollar) bond but some “anonymous” source provided it to her parents who then signed for it. That doesn’t mean that C & G actually got the money. What I think happened is that the anonymous source underwrote the bond for C & G so they could write a “promissory note” to get M out. I think that should be illegal. I think LE and the public have a right to know who “anonymous” is. Most of us think it’s a news organization.
3) M’s money? Not from public funds for sure. She wouldn’t qualify. Her parents were supporting M and Caylee with food, shelter, a car etc. And M stole the $ she wanted to spend for herself.
4) Why did she need a babysitter? She didn’t and there IS NO BABYSITTER.
5) Insanity is not going to be a valid defense. No chance. Even if M is a sociopath (that’s a personality disorder) it does not qualify for the kind of mental illness or insanity that could be used as a defense. Sociopaths know right from wrong perfectly well. They just don’t care.
Hi Jill, Laurie, Danna, Jeannie, Lilred–
On my way out to church. Will be back this afternoon to blog with you nice people but wanted to ‘meet’ you all and say a quick hi.
already know you, mytwocents–have blogged with you a long time–hi to you too. BBL
My thoughts on bail money…I think some organization struck a deal with them for future rights to story and the deal is written in such a way that they can deny that they have sold the story (lawyers are great with semantics) …the money goes to her bail, they sign a promissory note (we don’t know the terms of the note) perhaps a third party between.
and even if LMN says we didnt make a deal for Caylee’s story….that doesnt mean they didnt make a deal for Casey’s…just a thought….
it just bothered me that the denial was so specific.
Danna, I agree. I’m sure the attorneys involved manipulated the legal loopholes and verbiage “just right.” And someone called Leonard Padilla (from Nashville, I believe, which is where the PR firm is which Baez hired) just before she was bailed out the 2nd time and asked him if he thought M was a flight risk. He said he didn’t. Of course she had an ankle monitor AND a security guard that stayed with her in the house when Padilla bailed her out.
Anyway someone was checking up on how much of a risk they were about to take. And Nashville is a BIG clue. Possibly the PR firm was wheeling and dealing with a movie/book type money grubbing big shot to arrange the bail.
After all, much more opportunity for publicity (news ratings etc) with her out of jail.
Good morning! If Casey or family gets money, I hope that Zaniada gets her hands on it and possibly bio dad of Caylee if we ever find out who that is.
The sheriff’s dept. cannot put Casey in general population in the county jail because once she is arrested she is under their control and “duty to protect” invokes. She could bring a negligent suit against the county for millions of dollars if she is hurt as a result of being put into general population due to a “forseeabilty” issue. It is foreseeable that she would be hurt/injured if put into general population under tort law regarding negligence and we certainly don’t want anymore money being pumped into this family due to this tragic event.
Forensics, agreed, I dont want them to profit in any way. And while I believe she needs to be in prison, I don’t quite feel the bloodlust of some I’ve seen on these forums.
Great posts everyone!! What I heard last week was that Casey flunked the private polygraph that Baez gave to her in August. It might even trickle down to her family being involved and since they would not take one to remove any doubt that 99.1468% of us think about their involvement they too may be brought up on charges! This family reeks in so many ways!!!! They should have gotten America on their side by taking one and removing all doubt that we have with them. EXAMPLE, Mark Klass after his daughter went missing and everyone jumped on the “dad did it bandwagon” Let’s not fool ourselves. With how involved Cindy was in raising little Caylee, she knows what’s what and who is who. 31 days not seeing her or talking to her??? My arse!!! Give it a couple more weeks and they will arrest her again and at that point, one day closer to lethal injection!!!
Good Morning,
I have been following and commenting on this blog for a month or better and am OCD lol on the case, welcome to all the newcomers and
howdy to all the diligent followers as well.
Alot of you have posted interesting concepts of this case and I appreciate reading them, thank you.
RV -
I wasn’t online much yesterday so now would like to respond to your question re decomp. stages, my comment was based on a previous post whose sender sent us a link to the stages of decomp.
Anyway, the link I got that info from was referring to a piglet’s decomp and I was simply copying it for info purposes as regards Caylee’s apparent stage of decomp according to the stain and evidence gathered from the trunk of m’s vehicle. Sorry it came on sounding like army terms. I meant no offense and surely am heartsick over how Caylee was treated like nothing more than a piece of trash by her own mother, tears..
Steven, I had not heard that Baez gave M (short for Monster, nickname for you know who)
a private polygraph. What was the point? To see if all her lies could fool the machine?
Don’t blame him for trying, I guess. She’s a very experienced liar but only good enough to fool trusting people - not a machine OR LE!
I agree that C, G and LV should have taken polygraphs but we know why they didn’t. Same reason C&G hired a criminal defense attorney!
LE has been very very kind and patient with C & G and I’m about fed up with them (C&G not LE).
I think they should be charged with obstruction. Maybe they will be at some point. But it’s too early. Public opinion could still be swayed to view them as victims (which they are NOT at this point). Gosh knows their attorney, Nejame, has tried hard enough to get us to view them that way. Sorry, Nejame. It’s not working!
Hi all..how many 22 years olds even have had someone die their own age let alone two young men, oddly enough only the two have died are talked about being caylee’s daddy. Sounds convenient to me
George ( I heard only once before) is M’s step-father…maybe he is the dad. Why would they go to such lengths to keep the bio dad out of the picture if there wasnt’ something to hide?
Warning to those with delicate tummies! Do not read please! And no offense meant to people or pigs!
cj, it might help to point out that pigs are the closest to human flesh I believe and that is why they are used to test things like decomp. Maybe RV or other readers don’t know that. I think that’s right, isn’t it?
Since the topic has come up a number of times recently I’ll go out on a limb and say that I really don’t think any incest is involved. I think it is way more than likely that (1) M never knew who the father was and/or (2) Cindy did not want the father or his family to ever be involved. She is THAT controlling! Why share custody, care, control etc of her granddaughter for the next 18 years with a baby daddy and his family? It would just be a huge nuisance to her (Cindy).
did anyone happen to catch on nancy grace the most common websites visited on casey’s login on the home omputer? escort services!
she couldn’t have been stealing money ALL the time for ALL the things she needed. and while yes, her poor elderly grandfather’s savings and amy’s stolen funds did pay for a few trips to target … she would have needed more. casey is a huge fan of excess!
what i’m getting at is … i think casey was moonlighting for an escort service, making money ‘under the table’ so to speak. and how could she keep up a “job” with such random and odd hours?
by having caylee knocked out with chloroform, maybe even always in the backseat of the car!
it’s a dreadful thought, but i think just as possible as anything else in this circus!
maybe she upped the doseage and poor caylee passed away, as if n her sleep.
casey, being the mom of the year, drove around with the baby in the trunk … attempted to bury caylee in the backyard, but thought better of it, and then moved the body to the swamps/woods near the airport (park?)
it’s unfortunate but i think due to florida’s unique high water level and animal population (alligators much?) that we might never find caylee
it doesn’t matter though in my opinion, plenty of investigations have proceeded without a body … and the circumstancial evidence is strong!
she will be found guilty.
i highly doubt anyone on her jury pool does not know of a precious little girl themselves and will find her to be a monster, just with the lies alone!
Oh, sorry. Some have also speculated that M is the product of incest and I don’t believe that either. Poor George has and is suffering enough because of the two women in his life and I just don’t think that needs to be added to his burden. Not that I’m excusing G for supporting them at this point. No excuse for that except that I don’t think he has any money of his own, does he? I’d think he’d have gotten out of there long ago if he did. Or maybe he’s just been under C’s big fat thumb far too long to make a move.
2C, yes sir all the way where you state;
“LE has been very very kind and patient with C & G and I’m about fed up with them (C&G not LE).
I think they should be charged with obstruction. Maybe they will be at some point. But it’s too early. Public opinion could still be swayed to view them as victims (which they are NOT at this point). Gosh knows their attorney, Nejame, has tried hard enough to get us to view them that way. Sorry, Nejame. It’s not working!”
cayleeangel-
Thats something I never knew, if it is true, that G is the step-dad? I was thinking he was m’s bio dad and perhaps Lee’s stepdad, since Lee is older and c&g have been married 22 years. Guess it doesn’t matter whose the real daddy as far as the case is concerned but it plays into the intricacy of the relationships, esp. when m and G supposedly hated each other..
Also, it does seem convenient to choose a dad for Caylee who is “deceased”
i heard long ago that the daddy to Caylee is ‘within’ the family based on the DNA but being no expert don’t know how to comment.
I think she just doesnt know who the father is. Even some of her friends said it was a one night stand.
cj - We’re in agreement on everything except that I’m a gal! It should be “Yes, ma’am!” please next time, okay?
2C
you asked about pigs being closests to humans for studying decomp, yes you are right about that and that is why the site link shared by the poster with us was sent to read.
Thank you, cj. I must have missed the note about the connection between pigs and people and I was assuming that RV had missed it to -hence RV’s question about.
Brandylyn - Nothing has been released about the escort searches but the searches themselves. They are obviously being followed up on. I have heard that LE doesn’t give you all facts and this might be one of them. Your insight on how maybe M was ( or wasn’t) an escort, hopefully will be made public. Maybe she did it once in a while for quick cash and stole the rest of the time..One thing I think is for sure is that she was knocking that baby out for her own selfish reasons..period. I once thought it might have been an accident but why the weird poem onher my space, the pic of what looks to be little caylee and a teddy bear in a noose…without all her ODD behaviour including not one shed tear or public plea for NANNY to bring her home ( cause she knows she’s not coming home) I might still believe she killed her by accident. But too many other things lead me think it was ALL premeditated to both rid herself of the “little snot-head” and to get back at C whom I don’t believe she was ever close to, not even in the end…cause in the end she killed caylee as revenge to c as well.
2C
Yes I am sure that RV misunderstood, so had to clarify!
PS yes ‘MAM’
lol
Oh yah, sorry…about burying caylee in the yard and thought better of it???? Yes, but I don’t believe SHE thought better of it. I think C thought better of it and helped her move the body somewhere else. Why else would c have washed the pants…cause she is in this up to her neck and if they implicate m there are sniffing close to c as well. That is why she is so adiment about finding a “live” caylee, trying to steer her and her daughter away from the slammer. Even with the 911 call. People seem to think c couldn’t be involved cause after all, she called the police. Well they would know that someone had to eventually. I don’t let her off the hook for calling. That might even of been thought by herself as the best diversion by being the one to call, to take suspision off her from the start? I dunno.
WHY IS IT THAT SOMEBODY WOULD BAD MOUTH CASEY’S MOTHER FOR PUTTING HER HANDS AROUND CASEY’S NECK??? SHE NEEDS TO HAVE HANDS AROUND HER NECK. DO WE KNOW WHY CINDY DID THAT? HEY, IF CASEY WAS MY DAUGHTER I WOULD HAVE SQUEZZED HARDER.
cayleeangel
have to say my hubby has thought c was involved ALL along, also..
mamabear…I thought it was odd too that I read that even NG didn’t have something similar to say about the choking. I feel the same way, Casey needs to get a lot more then a little pressure on her trachea. I don’t think we have any idea what c has had to live with and pushed her to that point. I think that situation came about because of the money or checks or whatever stolen from the granfather.
I DID SEE THAT ON NG AND IT PISSED ME OFF WHEN I SAW IT. I THINK ALL OF US WOULD LIKE A CHANCE AT HER NECK. LOL
Here’s one for you all…i posted on a few sites on Friday night ( which have all seemed to disappear..thinking..weird) that if LE continues to give m the freedom (even with the anklet) and m knows an arrest is close, what makes them think she is not going to kill herself and have the last laugh and upper hand on LE forever…who is watching her while the night sky looms over the house? People have said she will take what she knows to her grave. What does LE think M thinks she has to live for? I pray it doesn’t happen cause she deserves to live with what she has or has allowed to happen what ever it may be. Death is an out as she has proven with caylee, what makes LE think she won’t “out” herself to avoid prison for the rest of her life…I SAY GET HER SKINNY ASSS BACK IN JAIL BEFORE SHE DOES SOMETHING TWISTED THAT WE CAN’T LAY CHARGES FOR!
They think they have all the time in the world but casey is selfish and twisted and would die laughing….
Good morning all!
Hi caylee angel…I must have missed your previous posts as well. Maybe they disappeared because others have been suggesting the same thing; however, in a more ‘twisted’ manner.
cj….thanx for clearing up the little piggie thingey. Now I can go wee, we, we all the way home.
2c…yes, I did miss the previous posts connecting the dots on the pig thing. Thank you for bringing that to light. My tummie isn’t too delicate because I used to help my aunt in the fall…rinds,etc.
hi everyone,interesting thoughts that c might have been involved but then in 911 calls why would she state that the car smelled like it had a dead body in it?i do think that she does know what has happened to caylee and is covering m sorry ass.
After my last post I think back and wonder who the hell is responsible for paying her bond in the first place. She should be sitting in jail without bond. I blame that person for this entire circus, the wasting of tax payers money as well as the judge who set bond in the first place..Shame on that judge. Does anyone know the name of the judge? I hope he/she is not involved in the trial when it finally gets here. That might be a a very expensive decision on many levels if she takes herself out. How selfish too of her if she were to do that when there are so many who would love to cater to her for that reason. I know i wouldn’t mind helping. I am sorry, I hope not to offend any bloggers here but I am so angry.
Oh, 2c…that yes madame thing doesn’t cut it in here. Lol!
Hi Minnie
She had to talk about the smell because it was obvious to LE who would be there and ask why she didn’t mention it, and to Lee and G as well. She is just covering and stating the obvious so she is not called on it. Basic common sense when trying to cover a murder, state the obvious and try to look and sound like ya don’t know what’s going on all the while looking forthright and distraught. Why eles would she never set foot outside to look for caylee. She can say she is alive in denial ( or not) all she wants, you would still think that searching in any sense of the word would be what one would do to find the truth, not just stick to ones hope and sit in the house all day.
hi everyone,new blog 118036 caylee anthony a victim of distrubing new trend
cayleeangel
you havent offended me in the least, and frankly i have posted before that i think m would do herself in before she would concede to a lifetime behind bars..
RV
VERY glad we straightened the little piglet thingy out, so we can now go wee-we all the way home together, lol
I don’t know what LE thinks about whether M would take her own life. Since her parents and the “anonymous” $ donor bailed her out she is their responsibility. Not anyone else’s.
Some psychologists have said that M is a narcissist. She loves herself more than she ever could anyone else. And for that reason I think she would not commit suicide.
I also think she is enjoying delusions of celebrity - both currently and when she goes on trial. She LOVES being in the spotlight!
Think she’d miss another chance to strut her stuff and swing that A$$ in the public’s face? Not a chance!
Hi Reasonablevoice…I have never seen anyone post their thoughts on suicide and I read everything I can find on this case and all blogs I can find.
Does anyone feel like she could do this, cause nothing is worse and more cowardly then when you find out someone has murdered someone or a family etc. and ….TURNS THE GUN ON THEMSELVES..it would burn my butt if she did herself in…
So how do we find out if there is someone watching her in the house?
I am truly afraid she will do this…to always and forever be in control of this whole thing, which is has been said to have all along….she knows and won’t tell…maybe forever.
two cents: casey doesn’t give a rats ass about who is responsible for her or what kind of mess she would leave behind. LE puts people like her in protective custody when they feel they need to protect them from the other inmates, but given the fact she is a suspect in a murder, how can they allow her to be out on bond, when is clearly either a threat to herself and other?
I agree with 2c…that suicide isn’t an issue.
seems like things are heating up on the anthony case i have been offline for one day,came on today and saw all the new blogs.
Must also say that M might well consider suicide after the trial if she gets many long years in prison. Or she might be delusional enough to think that she’ll be a celebrity “inside” too. She may be but not the way she thinks. Lots of moms in there.
Perhaps you could go over to the Ants and volunteer to be her personal body guard, Caylee`angel, and lock down all the bullets…guns don’t kill…bullets do! Lol!
Ok guys I hope I am just worried for nothing. Narcisistic or socio path or just plain self centered and loving the attention. There comes a time with anyone like this crazy $%&^ when they realize the gig is up, the attention is over and there going down. They feel backed in a corner, which she isn’t yet and they snap.
I hope you guys are right.
oh boy I would love to be her pbg…no holds barred
caylee~angel: I’m not really disagreeing with you. I think LE recommended no bail but the judge decided to set such a high bail that he didn’t think she’d be able to make it. His mistake but who would ever have imagined that an anonymous donor would underwrite the bail?
That was a real shocker.
I mean even when Padilla bailed her out he had a security person with her 24/7.
And there has been some speculation on this blog about whether she’d harm her parents. I know I would not like to be C or G sleeping in that house with her! EEK!
But in the end do you - does anyone - think she’ll tell? Ever? I don’t. I really don’t. Maybe if she was faced with the choice of life in prison versus the death penalty she would tell where Caylee’s body is. But I’d bet dollars to donuts she’d still lie about who did it!!!
Good morning flowerchild!…thanks for the update you made at 11:37.
hi caylee-angel,i too have questioned all of the ants on why they were not out searching for caylee if they truly belived what they say, i aslso dont think m will do anything to herself,she thinks that she has got away with what she has done and is getting the attention that she so loves.
cayleeangel
I have blogged in the past month in here that i considered at some point m may take her own life and maybe the rest of her family, too, this thought has many times occured to me as a possibility.
cj - oh really, I am not the only one. good to know. I feel it is a real possibility.
well anything new going on yet?
Just came back and saw the new posts…as for C choking her daughter, wether she deserves it or not, it shows that behavior patterns run in the family. A sane person doesn’t choke anybody no matter how mad or frustrated they get. Mad enough to choke somebody and actually doing it are two different things and I no longer wonder why Casy is so messed up knowing that her own mother would choke the crap outta her.
cj and caylee~angel: I also think it’s possible that C or G could commit a three-some murder/suicide. Often wondered if that’s why G had that gun in his car (that got taken away).
I guess I’m a bit hard-hearted at this point and prefer to worry about Caylee. I’ve given up MOST of my hope that C, G or M will be any help there at all.
two cents: hey no probs everyone is just getting their opinion out there. If LE recommended no bail then what the hell was this judge doing? What made him go against LE recommendation and just “think” well if I put it high she won’t make bail? No I do NOT think Casey will ever tell.
To all about suicide ~ I think anything is possible with this nut and to err on the side of caution and I think you all would agree that LE has to get in jail sooner then later.
Hi, flowerchild! Thanks for the heads up at 11:47! It looks like there’s still room here unless it’s slowing down for anyone. We can move anytime most everyone wants to. Just leave the info!
BBL!
Hi FLOWER!
i am going to head over to
118036 caylee anthony a victim of distrubing new trend,
shortly, whew confusing me more since others are blogging here and also at 118027 as well.
2C
You asked, do we ever think m will “tell?” NO I DONT BELIEVE she ever will,
she is an ALL OR NOTHING individual -
Which is WHY she took sweet Caylee’s life in the first place,
so she won’t ever tell, she will take her own life and her families before she EVER tells, my thoughts…
two cents: laughs, when it comes down to it talking about a three-way murder suicide.
Anyone of the ants is capable m being the nut and c and g being under enormous stress…
that house is a homicide/suicide waiting to happen. Your right..anyone one of them could snap
cayleeangel,
another thought of mine, the vigil to be held at the church,
whew!!
what do they do, leave m at home to be attacked
OR
take her along where someone half crazed will asassinate her????
She should not be able to leave the grounds for a vigil..From what I have seen in the past, it has to be an official appointment or court or similar to be able to leave the residence. But who knows, she gets all kinds of special privelages.
says on gretawire she did not go.
wait that was august post…sorry to misinform
says she can go to church from 10 to 3 but I think vigils are held in evening. Also says she wasnt attending back in august because of safety issues so I doubt she is attending now, most people want her close to dead so crazed is out there waiting for their chance.
EVERY PERSON HAS THEIR PUSHING LIMIT. IT MAY SOUND BAD FOR CINDY TO CHOCK CASEY BUT MAYBE SHE HIT THAT “LIMIT”. I CAN SEE WHERE SHE COULD HAVE BEEN PUSHED TO THAT POINT. IN THE PAST I HAVE BEEN ALMOST TO THAT POINT WITH MY GROWN KIDS AND I BACKED OFF BUT CAN SURE SEE WHERE SHE COMES FROM ON THAT.
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If that was the case, everybody would end up in jail for assault at some point in their lives. We have to control our actions, if Cindy is excused for being pushed past her limit then no wonder Casey may feel excused as well. There is no excuse for assault. If Casey called the police on Cindy, Cindy would have been arrested. Wrong is wrong.
cj - well I guess they leave her at home cause that’s where she wants to be anyway. If she really cared about caylee she would get one of her big body guards to tag along but she doesn’t give a shitt about anyone but herself..how can an “innocent” mother or any other kinda mother NOT lift a finger or shed a tear for their missing baby…by her hands or not…it’s unfathomable.
why didnt they have vigil inside their home but then again its only another stunt to try and keep their circus show alive,pictures for the books,the thought of m inside a church makes me sick to my stomach.
chryvine - yes I agree how m would feel as if she has to be excused of any of her actions as long a cindy feels she is..I guess so..Cindy should have been arrested for a few things in my opinion…like washing the pants for starters..actually if she would have been arrested and in jail for assault, the pants wouldn’t have been washed…so i agree a wrong is a wrong and she got away with 2 that we know about. C is not as innocent as she would like us to believe.
minnie - I agree why don’t they hold it inside their home…like perhaps in the babys’ room? That’s where I’d be holding it. Did it occur to anyone that they hold it OUTSIDE or AWAY from the house or at a church cause they know casey doesn’t give a hoot about praying for her own baby…she is too busy with her own needs and always has been.
What if Caylee was acting up and Casey choked her? Everybody says Caylee was good, but they thought Casey was too, and if Casey acts up Cindy chokes her so if Caylee acts up, what does Casey know to be discipline?
TRUE…………
whatever happened to caylee was thought about and planned for a long time. There was no “impulsive accident”
casey won’t go to church cause she would burst into flames the second she set foot inside…besides the fact that casey knows nothing about praying the well being or safety of anybody but herself…that is a fact..anything she has ever done…and we have read plenty, points to a self serving motive.
I am also new to this site and it is great to talk to people tha are so upset about this caylee thing i ask people all the time and no one seems to care! I have granddaughters and when ther 2 they do give you info on there day with there babysitters. C never asked caylee about her day? my grand daughter doesnt even live with me and she sings songs and tells us about what the babysitter teachs her something is wrong with this picture I think C knows more tnan she is telling she has to
donna ~ hi ~ Your right about c - she knows more then she is saying…way more…why would she wash the pants first of all…other then covering for her daughter..any one with any brains would not touch them in hopes they would find dna on them to find her grand-daughter. And for C to allow this Zanny to babysit her beloved caylee for sooooo long and never meet her or ask caylee about her is very very fishy….
cat - was just gonna ask where ya were. Not here yet. But am watchin..
As I said before - Casey brainwashed all adults around her - she loved that power - but you can’t brainwash a two year old - so in steps Zany the Nanny - how clever her little play on words for Zanax - no Chloroform needed when there is Zanax - that will knock her out long enough to party. Zanax did take her - she is not lying - She is close (being the religious one she knows our loved ones stay close by) - I don’t know where she is (where and how far is heaven?)
cat - still not here
Sorry - mis-spelled Xanax - the young crowd always has this available these days.
I am not to wise to all street drugs but the more I learn about Zanny being Zanax I am beginning to think this is what happen to Caylee. Her mother drugged her up so she could go out and party thinking Caylee would stay asleep. “Zanny the Nanny”!!! Easy for a 3 year old to say.
I just cannot take much more of this story. Something has to be done with Casey.
I agree grandma to 2 - casey needs to be put behind bars NOW…I don’t care for what reason…she is out on a bogus bond to begin with and never deserved the bond in the first damn place. When is she going away in bracelets…it’s killin me
I agree with chryvine, I know quite a few cops and they have the most screwed up families, i believe George or Lee could be the father of Caylee-break that down Casey and Lee =Caylee, I think thats what shes holding over they’re head. Cindy knows who the babys daddy is! Casey was 19 when she got pregnant and you know she told her mother who fathered the baby, she had to be scared and they had to close living together for her entire life, So I think they’re covering up a big part of this story, thats why Cindy is so doped up herself now, shes flipping out its going to come out and her perfect family is going to be found out thats why Caseys back in that house.
HI everyone!!!
As I have said before, and firmly believe it. M is a very, very sick person.
I believe that little Caylee is deceased, at the hands of her mother.
But my biggest question.. that I have for ALL of you.. Do you believe
that the M will ever stand charges for murdering her child?
In my heart of hearts, and as I see here, there is alot of anger towards M and her idiot family members. Which I feel is deserved….
But as I pose my question again, do YOU see this coming to an end with
her arrest and proccecution?????(not sure I spelled that correctly.
I would love to hear everyone opinion on that,
Thanks!
I believe she will go to jail within the next month, I think they want to get all of their ducks in order, they have plenty of evidence we don’t know about, they can’t reveal it all yet, it will happen very soon!!!! She will be prosecuted and found guilty, I really believe that.Her lawyer is going to cry that she won’t get a fair trial and she doesn’t have anyone to blame but herself. We have to remember who the true victim here is and thats a beautiful, innocent 3yr old named Caylee.
I’ve gone through all the posts and I have to say to chryvine, I understand where you’re coming from on wanting to understand her state of mind (probably because no one likes to think that a mother can murder her child because of feeling incovenienced), but the fact is that she is a narcissistic personality who cares for nothing but her own pleasure. As for it potentially being an accident, if we can believe what LE is saying, there was chloroform in the car (no need for that if the little girl was dead already), and there were PC searches on the substance, as well as searches on missing children sites BEFORE caylee went missing.
And I am sure that you have LE in your family, but they are probably not prosecutors. In every criminal prosecution, I think the public forgets that technically the cops work FOR the district attorney’s office. And the DA knows that if they charge her without a body or hard evidence, the defense can push for a speedy trial and she could walk! So even if LE wanted to get the ball rolling, they can’t arrest without a go-ahead from the DA, which they will get when they’re ready to nail this monster.
Hearing set to discuss motions in case against Casey Anthony
Sarah Lundy and Susan Jacobson | Sentinel Staff Writers
11:14 AM EDT, October 6, 2008
TODAY’S UPDATES:
11:10 a.m.: A hearing is set Friday to discuss eight motions filed by the defense in the case against Casey Anthony — the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee Marie.
Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, filed seven of the motions last Friday. Orange Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland will hear arguments at 10:30 a.m.
Anthony is charged with child neglect, filing false information to law enforcement and a slew of check-fraud charges. The 22-year-old single mother told investigators she last saw her daughter in mid-June when she left the toddler with a babysitter named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. When Anthony returned later to pick up
Caylee, the child and baby sitter were gone, Anthony has said.
Investigators don’t think the baby sitter exists.
The child was reported missing on July 15.
The motions are:
* Defense wants the state to release all records about its investigation into Zenaida Gonzalez.
* Defense wants Anthony - who is on home confinement - to be able to visit “key points of interest in the case” to help in the search for her daughter. Baez is requesting that her travels not be made public.
* Defense wants the Department of Children and Families - which did its own investigation into the child-neglect issue - to release its records.
* Defense wants to inspect the polygraph exams that have or will be given to anyone related to the case.
* Defense is asking for the flight manifest of Air Tran flight 862 that flew from Orlando to Atlanta on July 2. Someone reported seeing Caylee on the plane. (Investigators later located the child and the toddler was not Caylee.)
* Defense wants to the state to turn over results of forensic testing, including testing on traces of chloroform allegedly found in Anthony’s car and any documentation about the air sample testing done at the Body Farm at the University of Tennessee. (Authorities reported the samples showed at some point there was a decomposing body in the trunk.)
* Defense wants to be able to inspect digital forensic evidence, such as computer hard drives, cell phones, SIM cards and media cards.
* Defense wants the state to stop testing and handling forensic evidence until the court rules on how the testing will proceed.
Casey Anthony Seeks OK To Travel To Search For Missing Daughter
Caylee, 3, Last Seen In Mid-June
POSTED: 12:35 pm EDT October 6, 2008
UPDATED: 1:04 pm EDT October 6, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. — Casey Anthony, the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee, is seeking freedom from her home confinement restraints so she can have the ability to travel and search for her daughter, according to newly released court documents.
It is not known where Anthony wants to travel in the search for Caylee, who was last seen in mid-June but wasn’t reported missing until mid-July. Anthony’s family recently said that a baby sitter may have taken Caylee to Puerto Rico.
Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, filed several other legal motions, including having access to his client’s car so experts can photograph and test it.
Anthony’s defense team also wants law enforcement to hand over all forensic evidence regardless of whether prosecutors will use it in his client’s child neglect case. The evidence includes the chloroform allegedly found in Anthony’s car and hair and DNA discovered in the trunk.
Baez is also requesting all of the evidence from his client’s computer and cell phone records. Prosecutors have released some of that information to the defense.
He also wants to know whether any of Anthony’s friends or family members have undergone lie detector tests. If they have, Baez is seeking access to the polygraph equipment.
Baez also wants Orange County sheriff’s detectives to hand over all information about any women named Zenaida Gonzalez whom they have investigated. That’s the name of the baby sitter Anthony told detectives she left Caylee with at an Orange County apartment complex in June.
A woman with that name — who has a tie to the apartment complex — is suing Anthony for defamation.
Anthony’s attorneys also want to see an AirTran manifest for an Orlando-to-Atlanta flight from early July. Detectives investigated the flight after receiving reports of a possible Caylee sighting at Orlando International Airport. Orange County sheriff’s deputies said none of the children on the flight were Caylee.
Great information Gumshoe… thanks! I can’t wait to hear what the judge is going to say about this motion for M to leave her house to search…
That is a good one..it should take all of 5 minutes for her to disclose where she dumped her dead baby… of course, M being M she will have them turning in circles.. sounds like just another “look at me” moment for the crazy *itch. This is just so sad. I don’t know how the LE restrains themselves from taking M’s head and smacking it against a brick wall!!! I know that is how I feel….
She should NOT be allowed to TRAVEL. Why she wants to travel is to hang all over the driver.Go out to eat and have fun while her poor child is still not accounted for till this day.
No the judge should not let her help look that is absurd!
If that happens…
all i can say is they are stupid.For thnking she will show anybody anything but a GOOD TIME…
I believe the police have plenty of evidence, however, they want this case to be air tight. No chance for Casey to get away with this crime. Decomp in the trunk only proves Caylee’s decomposing body was in there — not that Casey was responsible for putting it there. Law enforcement is not going to go to court without being able to prove — beyond a doubt — that Casey is the ONLLY person responsible for the child’s death. I would rather they wait a year to charge this woman than to go in without every scrap of evidence they can secure. I want Casey to get the MAX, and I hope that’s the needle in Florida.
She wants to travel to look for a body or a live Caylee? Why can’t she just pass the information to the police, or her lawyer, and tell them where she would go? Oh, my, if any judge agrees with this they need to be put in the same padded cell with Casey.
I believe that Caylee is gone. Does Casey want out now to run or what. Why didn’t she want to go look for Cayleee before this. It all sounds pretty fishy. Cindy is just as goofy as Casey is. They both need lots os help. In fact the whole family does.
Why now is Casey wanting to look for her daughter? She has been missing for 80 days. In that time, not once did she attempt to look for her daughter. Where the hell did Jose Baez get his J.D.? (Correspondence couse, most likely) LOL He is about as ignorant as his client. I think they are ready to unearth the body. The premise being, MOM FINDS DECAYED BODY OF MISSING DAUGHTER! I think this is a misguided attempt at some sort of a publicity stunt.
lilred…I DO believe….I have to believe justice will prevail for our little brown eyed girl ~ Caylee ~
oh god! they can’t POSSIBLY allow her to travel unsupervised!
i am sure most of us know how delicate crime scenes are … i mean, it would take kicking some new dirt or moving a log (supposing caylee is burried in the woods near the airport or one of the parks) to completely CHANGE all forensic evidence!
equally, if casey somehow ’stumbles’ upon the body. TA DA! she’s like what now? a hero for finding the poor missing girl?
i don’t think so!
the motion will be denied if anyone has a 25+ IQ in the hearing
i don’t even like the idea of Grandma out searching alone, as she’s said she has done numerous times.
what if she found evidence and really DID cover up for Casey?
my thoughts :: even with the natural factors florida has to contend with, there could still be irreplaceable damage done to the crime scene. especially if casey had been pouring over law books in jail as the media alleged.
FURTHER - i have NO living idea how ANYONE can think poor angel Caylee is still alive! i mean, duh! why would they have been searching those places for a LIVE Caylee? was she living off berries in the woods?! nope
the truth hurts but, what else can i say?
To All: I don’t know why Casey wants to travel but maybe with some hope in mind, she can travel to Puerto Rico and pick up Caylee. Duh??? I know I am dreaming but I still have hope she may be alive.
Remember, Shawn Hornbeck, Ben Owensby, Elizabeth Smart, There is always a chance.
trish,
You said,” I think they are ready to unearth the body. The premise being, MOM FINDS DECAYED BODY OF MISSING DAUGHTER! I think this is a misguided attempt at some sort of a publicity stunt.
How funny I was thinking the same thing, Why would she want to look for her daughter now? Unless there was something in it for herself…
Remember she only thinks of herself, maybe she has come up with a scam to turn the truth around? Was else would she not want the media or public to know where shes searching…
Or maybe since a witness came forward and saw a young female come out of a wooded area, she convienced that the Equusearch will find CAylee now….
Grandma,
Remember, Shawn Hornbeck, Ben Owensby, Elizabeth Smart, There is always a chance.
They were kidnapped!
M just made up the story of a kidnapper..
Thats the difference..
Casey did it and she is playing a game I wish she would slip up and I wish her Mother and Father would tell the truth I am sure they did the best they could with Casey and we can not blame the parents for what a 22yearold does but the parents can make this right for Caylee and give her a nice resting place.They need to think of Caylee and not Casey. The granmother want all of us to help look for Caylee while her daugter is in the house doing nothing what wrong with that and if they are worry about the poeple who have her why are they on the news all the time don’t you think that a little funny that the reason why Casey does not talk is becase she does not want Caylee to get hurt but the parents are telling us why and you think who ever has her does not watch TV.Cindy do the right thing for Caylee. God will forgive Casey one day not the world but God will.
They are charging her with homocide…NG
honestly, the best option the state prosecutors have is a negligent homicide charge
without the body, “weapon” (though i’m on the side that believes a chloroform overdose was the cause of little caylee’s unfortunate demise) and really an MO (a cause besides sleeping around freely for mom casey) they have a very weak manslaughter case
especially with the chloroform searches months in advance to caylee’s disappearance, that proves (i think) criminal intent
however
i am on the side of a fair trial, and i believe because of casey’s own lying mouth and the devout media exposure - that it’s unlikely she’ll receive a fair trial. the jury pool is so so tainted at this point that it’s beyond jose bayez’s damage control abilities.
she’ll be found guilty, it’s not a question.
but of what crime?
i just hope equusearch is treated better this time around by the family so that they can do the task at hand and find her body
casey can’t possibly be smart enough to hide the body forever, she’s not even smart enough to stop wearing stolen merchandise like her infamous sunglasses!
I can’t believe that the neighborhood of the Anthony’s are upset because of the Grand Jury’s ruling. I would tnink they would want to know whether A killer is living next door.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!
I understand being faithful to the heighbor you think is so normal, I DON”T THINK THEY REALY DOooooo.
Casey Anthony is A wisted individual…..
I really hope everyone in that area is’nt as sick as them????????
Dear Heavenly Father we again come to you in prayer about our Beautiful Caylee Marie Anthony. AS each of us struggles to come to grips with what has happened we ask you for Guidance, support and encouragement. Please help us to be strong as each day we wait wanting to know our little Angel has been found and will be laid to rest with all of the diginity, grace and honor that she deserves. Help as we struggle to control our tempers as we watch the people around this case seem to be deceptive and not looking out for Caylee. Give us the wisdom to see beyond rumor, speculation and guesses. Help us to each look at the facts and know that Caylee wants justice and we need to demand it for her. Also help the searchers who are going to look for Caylee to be smart and strong. Smart enough to see the signs and preserve the evidence and strong enough to stay the course and find Caylee. We know this will be no easy task and we want you to guide and comfort each one as they work. There is no greater task than to search for the body of a lost innocent child and the pain to these searchers will be great. Even while we triumph when Caylee is found the tears and pain will be unbearable. Lord we also ask that you help everyone who is struggling with this missing person case or any other. We have all come to know the pain of not knowing. Help us to keep the most innocent among us safe and give us the courage to stand and fight not just for Caylee but for all children. I want to thank you for the chance to join as a group in the common goal we each have and also for your encouragement as we each stand ready to be on the Caylee Marie Anthony Justice Team. All these things we pray in Jesus Name. AMEN
i think casey killed her and is still thinkin she didnt she’s in denile
I think this is a very tough case for everyone concerned, I am a grandmother of 5 grandchildren. I coulnt imagine being in the Anthony’s shoes!! But I can say this if it were my daughter I would demand she tell!!!I couldnt live with myself knowing my daughter had all the facts and wont tell. Iwould probably still Love my daughter because you love your children but I would have nothing to do with her unless she did the right thing and told the truth!!
I have been trying to get thru to Nancy on the phone to no avail……….Does anyone else remember months back when the serchers found a bag in a river, and thought there might be bones in it ?? Casey was supose to have shruged her shoulders and walk away from the T.V. When the bag was found just down from the house, she had to be sudated ???? Dose this say anything ?
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