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		<title>By: Paddy Briggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paddy Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bystander

Ok Karl not Carl, that isn't illiteracy its a typo!

Nor is "empty patriot" an oxymoron. Patriotism is empty when it is not underpinned by knowledge and experience. Palin's patriotism is empty becuase she has no reference points to check it by. 44 years old and she has never travelled outside North America. Easy to be a patriot in these circumstances isn't it. At least McCain's patriotism was tested by fire...</description>
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<p>Ok Karl not Carl, that isn&#8217;t illiteracy its a typo!</p>
<p>Nor is &#8220;empty patriot&#8221; an oxymoron. Patriotism is empty when it is not underpinned by knowledge and experience. Palin&#8217;s patriotism is empty becuase she has no reference points to check it by. 44 years old and she has never travelled outside North America. Easy to be a patriot in these circumstances isn&#8217;t it. At least McCain&#8217;s patriotism was tested by fire&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bystander</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/117599#comment-554022</link>
		<dc:creator>bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Gov. Palin has energized the Republican Party.  But, what about the undecided voters?  

While the political conventions and blogs prove that many Americans planted their flags firmly in their candidates' camps months ago, there are millions of Americans who are far less partisan who may be willing to cross party lines come November.  

Applied to the most devoted followers, objectivity is not the strong suit of Obamaphiles or McCainiacs.  It's improbable, if not impossible, for either group in either party to accurately assess the way in which a dispassionate, undecided voter heard Palin's  speech.  That point is evidenced upthread as a poster begins their comment on Palin's speech by using phrases like "confused and frightened", "lowest common denominator", and the oxymoronic, "empty patriots".  We can all speculate the day away, but even many key Democratic strategists, politicians, and pundits, while disagreeing with the content of Gov. Palin's speech, have agreed that it was nonetheless compelling.

I also noticed the same poster's opinion that Palin's speech was "illiterate". By extension, that illiteracy was connected to "Carl Rove" who, according to the poster, probably "crafted" that speech. An accepted defintion of illiteracy is a lack of acquaintance with the fundamentals of a particular subject.  That may apply here as the man's name is correctly spelled, "Karl Rove", not "Carl Rove".  Furthermore, Rove didn't craft Palin's speech. It was, according to Barack Obama in his criticism of it, written by Matthew Scully.  Rove, who was indicted in July, 2008 by a Congressional panel on a Contempt of Congress charge, serves as an informal adviser to the McCain campaign.  He writes election essays for Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, and is a Fox News Contributor.  Just a heads up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Gov. Palin has energized the Republican Party.  But, what about the undecided voters?  </p>
<p>While the political conventions and blogs prove that many Americans planted their flags firmly in their candidates&#8217; camps months ago, there are millions of Americans who are far less partisan who may be willing to cross party lines come November.  </p>
<p>Applied to the most devoted followers, objectivity is not the strong suit of Obamaphiles or McCainiacs.  It&#8217;s improbable, if not impossible, for either group in either party to accurately assess the way in which a dispassionate, undecided voter heard Palin&#8217;s  speech.  That point is evidenced upthread as a poster begins their comment on Palin&#8217;s speech by using phrases like &#8220;confused and frightened&#8221;, &#8220;lowest common denominator&#8221;, and the oxymoronic, &#8220;empty patriots&#8221;.  We can all speculate the day away, but even many key Democratic strategists, politicians, and pundits, while disagreeing with the content of Gov. Palin&#8217;s speech, have agreed that it was nonetheless compelling.</p>
<p>I also noticed the same poster&#8217;s opinion that Palin&#8217;s speech was &#8220;illiterate&#8221;. By extension, that illiteracy was connected to &#8220;Carl Rove&#8221; who, according to the poster, probably &#8220;crafted&#8221; that speech. An accepted defintion of illiteracy is a lack of acquaintance with the fundamentals of a particular subject.  That may apply here as the man&#8217;s name is correctly spelled, &#8220;Karl Rove&#8221;, not &#8220;Carl Rove&#8221;.  Furthermore, Rove didn&#8217;t craft Palin&#8217;s speech. It was, according to Barack Obama in his criticism of it, written by Matthew Scully.  Rove, who was indicted in July, 2008 by a Congressional panel on a Contempt of Congress charge, serves as an informal adviser to the McCain campaign.  He writes election essays for Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, and is a Fox News Contributor.  Just a heads up.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/117599#comment-553897</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John I never encourage abortion. Ultimatly I believe it is the decision of the pregnant person through consultation of father, doctors, professionals, family.

Palin oddly enough is not for terminating the pregnancy if the pregnant person needed to have an abortion in the special case of rape or incest.

McCain's wife agrees in the case of incest or rape the pregnant person should have that option of termination.

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John didnt they parade around the father of the unwed daughter? thats what I'm referring too. I don't think they are even engaged, seems he is in it for the show and may opt out after the campaign is over.

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Seems like Sarah Palin did not instill Christian Family Values to her children enough to keep her legs crossed. I just hope she keeps Christian family values theme out of her campaign. It is also odd the Christian Right has fall silent on this. I guess the Christian right is politically motivated more-so then it's biblical foundation.

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I'm not here to "argue" but rather state my observations and opinion like everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John I never encourage abortion. Ultimatly I believe it is the decision of the pregnant person through consultation of father, doctors, professionals, family.</p>
<p>Palin oddly enough is not for terminating the pregnancy if the pregnant person needed to have an abortion in the special case of rape or incest.</p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s wife agrees in the case of incest or rape the pregnant person should have that option of termination.</p>
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<p>John didnt they parade around the father of the unwed daughter? thats what I&#8217;m referring too. I don&#8217;t think they are even engaged, seems he is in it for the show and may opt out after the campaign is over.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Seems like Sarah Palin did not instill Christian Family Values to her children enough to keep her legs crossed. I just hope she keeps Christian family values theme out of her campaign. It is also odd the Christian Right has fall silent on this. I guess the Christian right is politically motivated more-so then it&#8217;s biblical foundation.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not here to &#8220;argue&#8221; but rather state my observations and opinion like everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Davies</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/117599#comment-553268</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governor Palin's speech was so good and her credentials are so powerful that the so-called "liberal" media and commentators are scurrying to find fault.  This lady is the new Margaret Thatcher.  If you Americans don't vote for McCain and Palin, please can we have one of them here in Britain?  We're desperate for good leadership here and need a whole new government, especially a new Prime Minister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governor Palin&#8217;s speech was so good and her credentials are so powerful that the so-called &#8220;liberal&#8221; media and commentators are scurrying to find fault.  This lady is the new Margaret Thatcher.  If you Americans don&#8217;t vote for McCain and Palin, please can we have one of them here in Britain?  We&#8217;re desperate for good leadership here and need a whole new government, especially a new Prime Minister.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/117599#comment-553099</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can argue all day Rich about this really, but I'm not going to. I just need to say -true you need to look at a candidate's family life to see if they "walk the talk" and stands behind their principles. But any mother or father will contest that even though you strive to maintain and culture good moral values and standards within the family, human nature sometimes prevails. What matters is how you recover from those moments. Her daughter made the decision, not her mother or father. What's done is done, so now what's a parent to do? Cover it up by encouraging an abortion? Or pick up the pieces and move on as a family? Her unwed daughter is still her daughter who disserves to be with her family -she is not being "paraded" around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can argue all day Rich about this really, but I&#8217;m not going to. I just need to say -true you need to look at a candidate&#8217;s family life to see if they &#8220;walk the talk&#8221; and stands behind their principles. But any mother or father will contest that even though you strive to maintain and culture good moral values and standards within the family, human nature sometimes prevails. What matters is how you recover from those moments. Her daughter made the decision, not her mother or father. What&#8217;s done is done, so now what&#8217;s a parent to do? Cover it up by encouraging an abortion? Or pick up the pieces and move on as a family? Her unwed daughter is still her daughter who disserves to be with her family -she is not being &#8220;paraded&#8221; around.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/117599#comment-552870</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, ok, so forgive if premarital sex is going on at home and it is not on her national agenda.

What goes on at home is off limits and promote the Republicans so-called "Christian family values" for an agenda ie against premarital sex or abortion.

The laundry list is very very long of both republicans and democrats premarital sex problems just seem evident the Christian Right made palin a "third rail" lets not talk about it or make it an issue.

Yes I would conclude it is hypocricial theys "forgive" palin and selectively choose who they will go after if they do not have moral family values.

Parading a pregnant unwed Daughter on the national stage with the father of the pregnant daughter flys in the face of Christian moral family values. 

I guess "forgiveness" is a selective trump card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, ok, so forgive if premarital sex is going on at home and it is not on her national agenda.</p>
<p>What goes on at home is off limits and promote the Republicans so-called &#8220;Christian family values&#8221; for an agenda ie against premarital sex or abortion.</p>
<p>The laundry list is very very long of both republicans and democrats premarital sex problems just seem evident the Christian Right made palin a &#8220;third rail&#8221; lets not talk about it or make it an issue.</p>
<p>Yes I would conclude it is hypocricial theys &#8220;forgive&#8221; palin and selectively choose who they will go after if they do not have moral family values.</p>
<p>Parading a pregnant unwed Daughter on the national stage with the father of the pregnant daughter flys in the face of Christian moral family values. </p>
<p>I guess &#8220;forgiveness&#8221; is a selective trump card.</p>
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		<title>By: chcnurse</title>
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		<dc:creator>chcnurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This speech played very well with me.  This Democrat is voting  for the Republican ticket!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This speech played very well with me.  This Democrat is voting  for the Republican ticket!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/117599#comment-552510</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypocritical? There is nothing hypocritical about recognizing human imperfection and excersizing forgivness -we all need mercy and grace for our imperfections. 

What would be hypocritical, Rich, is if the so-called "Christian Right Conservatives" supported Palin even if she had an agenda condoning premarital sex or abortion. 

But she doesn't. In fact it's admerable that dispite her family hardships, which we all experience, she continues to be a great supporting mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypocritical? There is nothing hypocritical about recognizing human imperfection and excersizing forgivness -we all need mercy and grace for our imperfections. </p>
<p>What would be hypocritical, Rich, is if the so-called &#8220;Christian Right Conservatives&#8221; supported Palin even if she had an agenda condoning premarital sex or abortion. </p>
<p>But she doesn&#8217;t. In fact it&#8217;s admerable that dispite her family hardships, which we all experience, she continues to be a great supporting mother.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/117599#comment-551650</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They seemed weak on stage John McCain, Sarah Palin, and family.

Looked like Sarah was John McCain's Grand daughter.

Who respects Sarah Palin mother of a pregnant teen out of wedlock. Does the Christian Right approve? Does the Party of so-called moral family values approve?

I think the Christian Right is a bit hypocritical by there sheer silence on Sarah's Daughter, or does the religious right have skeletons in the closet like the rest of society?

Personally I don't care about the family situation but I am shocked that the ones who tout moral family values are mute on the subject.

I guess Sarah Palin she gets a free pass by the Christian Right Conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They seemed weak on stage John McCain, Sarah Palin, and family.</p>
<p>Looked like Sarah was John McCain&#8217;s Grand daughter.</p>
<p>Who respects Sarah Palin mother of a pregnant teen out of wedlock. Does the Christian Right approve? Does the Party of so-called moral family values approve?</p>
<p>I think the Christian Right is a bit hypocritical by there sheer silence on Sarah&#8217;s Daughter, or does the religious right have skeletons in the closet like the rest of society?</p>
<p>Personally I don&#8217;t care about the family situation but I am shocked that the ones who tout moral family values are mute on the subject.</p>
<p>I guess Sarah Palin she gets a free pass by the Christian Right Conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/117599#comment-551437</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The speech was remarkably smug, petty, and sarcastic.  It played well with the Republican base at the convention, but how well will it play with the general public.  

Compare the more level headed speeches at the DNC with the those at the RNC.  The Republicans are very angry.  Angry at the media.  Angry at the left.  But they're the ones who have been in power for the last 8 years...

Bush himself spoke of "the angry left," but comparing the two conventions, it's the republicans who are angry while the Democrats are happy and celebrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The speech was remarkably smug, petty, and sarcastic.  It played well with the Republican base at the convention, but how well will it play with the general public.  </p>
<p>Compare the more level headed speeches at the DNC with the those at the RNC.  The Republicans are very angry.  Angry at the media.  Angry at the left.  But they&#8217;re the ones who have been in power for the last 8 years&#8230;</p>
<p>Bush himself spoke of &#8220;the angry left,&#8221; but comparing the two conventions, it&#8217;s the republicans who are angry while the Democrats are happy and celebrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Paddy Briggs</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/117599#comment-551374</link>
		<dc:creator>Paddy Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a speech full of sound and fury – and it signified nothing. No doubt crafted by Carl Rove it was as facile as it was empty and as offensive as it was illiterate. Talk about appealing to the lowest common denominator in American society – it actually aimed much lower than that. It will appeal to some of the frightened and the confused, to the empty patriots and the stay at home rednecks. But only to some of them, thank God. Will this type of empty rhetoric pursued a thinking American to vote for McCain/Palin? Of course not. And in the world outside we look on with perplexed horror at the spectacle of a once great Nation, and a once great Party, flirting so shamefully with the thought that this trivial, prejudiced, narrow woman could actually be spoken of as a person who will be in the line of the great Americans – from Washington through to Clinton. But, then, if America has twice put the unendurable George W Bush in the White House anything can happen, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a speech full of sound and fury – and it signified nothing. No doubt crafted by Carl Rove it was as facile as it was empty and as offensive as it was illiterate. Talk about appealing to the lowest common denominator in American society – it actually aimed much lower than that. It will appeal to some of the frightened and the confused, to the empty patriots and the stay at home rednecks. But only to some of them, thank God. Will this type of empty rhetoric pursued a thinking American to vote for McCain/Palin? Of course not. And in the world outside we look on with perplexed horror at the spectacle of a once great Nation, and a once great Party, flirting so shamefully with the thought that this trivial, prejudiced, narrow woman could actually be spoken of as a person who will be in the line of the great Americans – from Washington through to Clinton. But, then, if America has twice put the unendurable George W Bush in the White House anything can happen, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Hayes</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/117599#comment-551326</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too. I suspect it played very well, but it's hard to be objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too. I suspect it played very well, but it&#8217;s hard to be objective.</p>
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		<title>By: psburton</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/117599#comment-551273</link>
		<dc:creator>psburton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit The parting of the waters and healing the planet quip was priceless. Its going to be a very close election and I am eager to find out how the speech played amongst undecided voters,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit The parting of the waters and healing the planet quip was priceless. Its going to be a very close election and I am eager to find out how the speech played amongst undecided voters,</p>
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