As a regular viewer of Bill Moyer’s Journal, I always find the show intriguing and informative as I learn more than I would with conventional journalism and media. This past Friday’s episode with Andrew Bacevich was one of the best episodes I have seen; this was a difficult determination for me, as I believe many of the shows are absolutely phenomenal.
What struck me most was Bacevich’s notion of the imperial presidency and its past, present, and future inference on America and the American life. Bacevich, a former Army colonel, Boston University scholar, and old school conservative, discussed this construct at length with Mr. Moyers. His most recent book, The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism, was referenced throughout the dialogue, and included implications of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and the responsibility of each individual American to turn this nation around. What haunted me even more was the mention of his son who lost his life in the Iraq war. I cannot begin to assert that I understand what he is experiencing at this time, but as a military spouse of a wounded veteran, I found myself completely saddened by his loss, as it was a reminder of how close I cam to losing my husband during the same conflict. I believe, like Bacevich, that we should view war as a last resort: “What we should learn from history is that preventive war doesn’t work. The Iraq War didn’t work. And, therefore, we should abandon notions, such as the Bush Doctrine of preventive war. We should return to the just war tradition. Which sees force as something that is only used as a last resort. Which sees war as something that is justifiable for defensive purposes.”
He mentioned that we have had an imperial presidency since World War II and that the presidency became this colossal entity with undeniable power. “As the imperial presidency has accrued power, surrounding the imperial presidency has come to be this group of institutions called the National Security State. The CIA, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the other intelligence agencies. Now, these have grown since the end of World War Two into this mammoth enterprise.” One might ask how and why this matters in the current political climate. Why should Americans be concerned about this at all?
Bacevich believes that Senator Obama and McCain are running in order to become imperial presidents, not because they possess this great ability to affect profound change for the nation. He doesn’t believe that this type of change will occur. “The elements of continuity outweigh the elements of change. And it’s not going to happen because, ultimately, we the American people refuse to look in that mirror. And to see the extent to which the problems that we face really lie within. We refuse to live within our means. We continue to think that the problems that beset the country are out there beyond our borders. And that if we deploy sufficient amount of American power we can fix those problems, and therefore things back here will continue as they have for decades.” Surmising that the desire for continuity, for a false sense of security, gives us reasons to blame Muslims and Mexicans and others for our tribulations, this is an interesting way to examine culture and politics, to say the least.
Consequently, Bacevich also spoke of the effect that American materialism and consumerism have on this country, and linked it to foreign policy. He stated that “our foreign policy is not something simply concocted by people in Washington D.C. and imposed on us. Our foreign policy is something that is concocted in Washington D.C., but it reflects the perceptions of our political elite about what we want, we the people want. And what we want, by and large - I mean, one could point to many individual exceptions - but, what we want, by and large is, we want this continuing flow of very cheap consumer goods.” Wal-Mart immediately comes to mind, with its cheap prices and cheap products. Accordingly, the conglomerate has put many local stores out of business. It is these businesses that made America strong; Bacevich purports that our desire for things has weakened our economy and our nation. We used to be a nation of considerable production; at present, our “empire of consumption” has made us not dependent on ourselves, but on other countries with cheap labor.
With this in mind, how does this dilemma lend itself to the Iraq war? Moyers asked Bacevich if the Iraq situation was a clear indicator of the expectations of Americans and what they are willing to sacrifice in their personal lives. In a word, oil. “The most obvious, the blindingly obviously question, is energy. It’s oil. I think historians a hundred years from now will puzzle over how it could be that the United States of America, the most powerful nation in the world, as far back as the early 1970s, came to recognize that dependence on foreign oil was a problem, posed a threat, comprised our freedom of action.” Bacevich continues: “How every President from Richard Nixon down to the present one, President Bush, declared, ‘we’re gonna fix this problem.’ None of them did. And the reason we are in Iraq today is because the Persian Gulf is at the center of the world’s oil reserves. I don’t mean that we invaded Iraq on behalf of big oil, but the Persian Gulf region would have zero strategic significance, were it not for the fact that that’s where the oil is.” It seems that people have chosen to forget that this great commodity is one of the main reasons why we are in Iraq, as if to speak of this is beyond reproach.
And so we put the yellow “support our troops” stickers on our cars, persist with our shopping and excessive consumerism, and passively disconnect from the social ills of the nation by denying that there are any. We do not want to change our way of life; why should we have to? Because “we’re headed down a path in which not only will we become increasingly dependent upon foreign oil, but we will have opted for a false model of freedom. A freedom of materialism, a freedom of self-indulgence, a freedom of collective recklessness.” Bacevich said that if we take action now, we may be able to repair our economy, our culture, and our nation. But to do this, we cannot continue to allow our arrogance and entitlement to influence policy and politics. To this end, Bacevich is suggesting that we take responsibility as citizens to correct these ills, and not just leave it to the next president to solve the problems of the world.
In sum, Bacevich touched on the current crises that I also believe are affecting our nation: the military, economic and social concerns, and the political arena. To gain a better understanding of these issues, I plan to read The Limits of Power in the very near future. I am fascinated by Bacevich’s perspective and look forward to exploring his viewpoints on the current state of affairs even further.
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a Trackback“Excessive consumerism?”
Ah, yes. Let’s go back to the great depression…
I’ve always worked with the Poor in the US, and I am always impressed that it is the rich elites who make this complaint. They live high on the hog eating argula from wholefoods while sniffing at the peasants buying iceburg lettuce at Walmart superstores.
All those “we” cliches. Yup. Ordinary folks are the evil ones.
Which makes me wonder: Are you saying this of what you yourself have observed, or are you merely echoing the cliches you have read?
The “Imperial presidency” started with Roosevelt…and your arguments resemble those of wendall Wilkie in 1940…
I’ll let your Iraq war arguments stand: I am just wondering why a military person could be so naive to swallow the cliches of the left when discussing a mass murderer and warmonger like Saddam.
But in case you didn’t notice, the Iraq war was won…
Wow…..
I have, and still do, work with the poor, but unlike many of who “work” with those who live in poverty, I know about it from personal experience. And in my quest to understand things, I choose to listen to the left and the right…as an Independent, part conservative, part liberal. I choose to listen to it all. In this instance, I chose to listen to a conservative who is sick and tired of the way things are. It is really that simple.
I am sorry that you think I appear to have naively “swallowed” the cliches, when I only choose to listen, to observe, to step out of my comfort zone. I wish more folks did the same.
My experience with Iraq is personal, as a Purple Heart wife.
That’s it and that’s all.
ANDREW BACEVICH HAS EARNED OUR EAR
Only rarely does someone surface with qualifications as well as insights and a delivery that stimulate thinking. Even more rarely does an individual stimulate the very personal mental articulation of self observation.
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/08/andrew-bacevich-rare-sobering-voice.html
Bacevich deserves as broad an audience as can be exposed to his thoughtful analysis.
Mrs. Reyes, I believe you have missed the point of this posting. Its aim is not to take an elitist position of blaming the poor for America’s problems. We are all to blame for problems such as the rise of massive corporations that export jobs and production in return for affordable goods. This destabilization of the American economy is made possible by our unquenchable desire for the newest and best products. Unfortunately, we are mired in a spiral of self-destructive spending. We have destroyed the foundation for local business and replaced it with the endless process of building up huge corporations, and sending more and more of our money and jobs overseas so as to feed our lust for cheap consumer goods. In doing so, we have undermined our domestic production capabilities and negated one of our former national strengths.
Do you doubt that we as a society are plagued by “excessive consumerism”? Look at the amount of people foundering in debt because they felt it necessary to live outside of their means. Whether it is caused by outright greed, the desire for perceived societal status, or simple ignorance, the fact is that Americans place an inordinately high priority on material possessions. The housing crisis is an example obvious enough even for you to observe.
If the American public is good at one thing, it’s blaming others for its problems. Look at the way political candidates address potential voters. If a candidate were to assert outright that certain problems Americans face were indeed caused by the behavior of Americans themselves, they might as well drop out of the race. Whatever the problem is, it is surely the fault of someone else.
I also wanted to address the topic of the Iraq War. I can only hope that your short-sighted and wholly ignorant statement, “But in case you didn’t notice, the Iraq war was won…” was intended with sarcasm. In the event that you’ve chosen to ignore reality, let me just ask one question: Is America better off having invaded Iraq?
Charges of “imperialism” aside - whether founded or otherwise - we should start by examining the reasons for which the war was initiated. No one denies the atrocities of Hussein’s regime. However, America did not go to Iraq to defend freedom and depose the evil tyrant. If the United States sought to be so virtuous, it might have tried to end recent genocides or stamp out homicidal regimes in South America or Africa that made Hussein’s look tame. The Bush administration’s real reasons for going to Iraq are known only to those in power, but it is documented that the invasion plans for Iraq had been filed away for years prior to the war.
All in all, the war has left us a battered nation. We spend billions to pour men and equipment overseas, and to train Iraqi troops who are unwilling to aid in the defense of their own country (shades of South Vietnam), while our domestic economy suffers. We consider it a good month when we mourn a few less casualties than we did during previous months of combat, ultimately gaining nothing. We send young men and women into the inferno of battle and turn our backs on them when they return home with mental, physical, and financial problems. To say that we’ve won anything is abhorrent.
Finally, I must ask how you feel qualified to discuss the war on a personal level. You have decided to self-righteously clash with the viewpoints of a retired Army Colonel who lost his son in Iraq and a woman whose husband was injured experiencing war firsthand. Both of these perspectives dwarf your own.
I agree, Ms. Reyes has missed the point. Your thoughts appear to be disorganized and without a coherent conclusion.
Bacevich’s book is not about putting blame on the poor in America. This book is a call to action. It’s about all Americans being accountable for their actions.
I am not quite sure why you are questioning excessive consumerism. It does exist. It exists in the form Hummers in the midst of a suffering environment. Among many other examples it also exists in the form of consumers waiting in line for days just for a Nintendo Wii Game System. If Americans put same the amount of effort into social reform as they do in procuring a video game system, we wouldn’t have to worry about low income families being forced to shop at Wal-Mart thus fueling the export of American money and the dependence on foreign goods.
I also find it interesting that you accuse Ms. Eggleston and Bacevich of using clichés and yet your opinions are based solely on stereotypes of the “rich elites… eating arugula from Whole Foods”.
It also saddens me that you would discount the sacrifices and experiences of Bacevich who lost his son and Ms. Eggleston whose husband was injured in the service of this country.
I agree with Patriot…How is America better off having invaded Iraq? If being in national deficit due to funding the war, the large number of casualties suffered on the battlefield, and a crumbling foreign policy is acceptable then I question your view of reality.
God Bless
Wow.
I mean, WOW.
Apparently “winning” (post-9/11) entails prolonged occupations of hostile nations, resulting in large numbers of American casualties and the depletion of our national guard, reserve, and active duty troops and equipment (all of which has been studied, reported, testified to by all branches).
We have lost our ability to deter any unwanted action by any unfriendly nation b/c they know we cannot take on another front. We need a “surge” in Afghanistan but, gee, we can’t find any troops to send there.
My husband is spending 15 months fighting a war that we won four years ago. Imagine that. I don’t recall American soldiers doing that after WWII.
Do you know what winning in Iraq looks like today? It looks like a female soldier dying with 95 percent burns on her body while another male soldier dies, much more loudly, because his head is split open from the top to the back from an IED blast and apparently no amount of morphine dulls that pain. The former made it to the combat hospital, the latter died in the medevac helicopter en route.
Do you know what else, Ms. Reyes, the winning war looks like? It looks like the 19 yr old who shot himself in his pod in front of his 19 yr old wife via webcam about 8 wks ago. They both graduated from high school in June 2007. He is dead today and she is a widow and God knows how traumatized as a result.
Our Army officers divorce rate tripled between 2002 and 2006 and doubled for enlisted soldiers. The suicide rate for young OIF/OEF male vets is 2x higher than it is for their civilian counterparts and for female vets it is 3x higher.
Ms. Reyes, I think you owe this author an apology. If anyone is naive here, it is you. Ms. Stokes’s husband nearly died in Iraq. He has had 30 plus surgeries practically reconstructing his body from top to bottom, not to mention the aforementioned TBI AND PTSD.
I can assure you, ma’am, neither Pamela, nor myself, are naive about a damn thing when it comes to this election as it impacts us in a way that you will never, ever, EVER understand.
So I suggest your next comment be simple and genuine:
“I disagree with your thesis but I am humbled by the sacrafices of your family. Thank you for having the courage to do what me and/or my husband have not.”
If our husbands had not volunteered to defend this country and follow the orders of the Commander-in-Chief this nation elected, your husband (or others) would be drafted for that honor.
Your welcome.
Charlie Gibson is an wrinke-lipped dope. It’s not officially called the “Bush Doctrine” so why should Palin be expected to recognize it? It’s a national security document dealing with pre-emptive strikes. The question should have been, “What is your view of the Bush administration’s position on pre-emptive strikes?” Clearly, the fault was that of the questioner and not the person being questioned.
Did you see the McCain interview on The View? With the exception of Joy, those women were snide and disrespectul. And W. Goldberg’s questions bordered on being stupid.
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