The 911 calls were released by the Orange County Sheriff’s office today when Cindy Anthony called to report her 3 year old granddaughter, Caylee Marie, missing. She appeared to be emotionless during the call. When she made the call she asked that deputies come and arrest her daughter for stealing money and a car according to the recordings.
“I have someone here who need be arrested and a possible missing child,” Cindy Anthony told a 911 dispatcher. “A three year old has been missing for a month.”
The fist call was made around 8:45 pm, but less than an hour later she called 911 again and this time she was screaming and crying saying she found out that her granddaughter had been kidnapped by the babysitter. She told the dispatcher that she found her daughter’s car, a 1998 Pontiac Firebird. “There’s something wrong,” she told the 911 dispatcher. “I found my daughter’s car today and it smells like there’s been a dead body in the damn car.”
Later when talking to Eyewitness News Cindy Anthony said there was a bag of pizza in the car that had been there for 12 days and it was full of maggots. “It smelled like something had died in the car, I smelled it. I thought something had died in the car. I didn’t know what it was. It could have been a squirrel. It could have been anything. But when we opened the trunk and we saw the maggots in the trunk with all the pizza and stuff, it was a rancid smell, she said after the 911 calls were released on Thursday.
Casey Anthony, Cindy Anthony’s daughter took the phone and calmly told the dispatcher that he daughter has been missing for 31 days. The dispatcher asked what she didn’t report it until now. Her response was that she had been doing her own search for her daughter.
Casey was arrested after telling authorities a number of lies concerning her daughter’s disappearance. When detectives found a foul smell coming from her car it made them believe that it is possible that little Caylee is dead and they think her mother is involved in it somehow.
Casey Anthony is being held under a $500,000 bond, set by Judge Stan Strickland. Today her attorney Jose Baez has confirmed that after desperately trying to raise the 10% needed, $50,000, for a bondsman to get their daughter out of jail, they see that they can’t do it.
Baez has filed a writ of habeas corpus with the Orange County court on Thursday. He is asking that his client, Casey Anthony be released from prison, without bond, so she can help police look for her daughter.
I would say that sadly enough it doesn’t look like Caylee has a chance here but I keep hoping for a miracle and that she will be found alive and well.
Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackIt’s obvious what happened. The mom (Casey) has a bad drug habit. She borrowed crack or whatever from her dealer and didn’t pay up when promised. Drug dealer snags the kid and holds her for ransom, and threatens to kill the child if Casey goes to the cops. Casey steals money from her mom in a futile attempt to free her daughter. Dealer says no, so then Casey goes to the police, 31 days later. Casey’s mom at first was horrified when she found out her granddaughter was missing but then quickly changed her tune when she found out the real story from Casey. Unfortunately, I’m sure the drug dealer has already disposed of the child.
Have they done drug testing on Casey?
ok…
i’m following this story like everyone else.
Some posters on many sites suggest that when Casey Stole her mom’s car & credit card that she ran up a whopping yes whopping $45,000.00
amount on?
that perhaps Casey left Caylee in the car while she shopped/
What did she buy?
i would really like to see the list!
also i would like to see a map online of the houses involved and to the place the car was fouind and to the Boyfriend’s house and whereever Casey had her “WILD RIDE”\tracing her steps may lead to CAYLEE’S location.
Oh i forgot yes credit cards do have a paper trial..
i mean she had to buy gas and all.
Plus phone records the fake babysitter/nanny
apt.
etc…
how did she know that apt had not been lived in for 5 month?
She also did a websearch for fake names in Florida.
to pin the blame on a woman she made up..
So many questions annd so few answers
I”m rally hurt by this story it doesnt involve me but i feel the need to responde why cant she be found just like many other children it hurts me so .i just want a happy ending .my heart goes out to any one who is hurting like i am i want answers why????
Why has no one raised the idea that perhaps Caylee has been spirited away to escape something awful happening to her at the hands of the grandparents? Physical abuse, sexual abuse? Clearly there is a long standing history of some sort of disconnect between the grandmother, Casey, and reality. Just look at their behaviors. Perhaps she is not upset because she knows that Casey is safe and all she has to do never tell. I am not sure how realistic this scenario is but stranger things have happened…
Sorry - Casey knows that Cayless is safe.
Casey Anthony was photographed on the following evenings all smiles all party animalish.
June 6th
June 13th
june 20th
At the Fusion Ultra Lounge
where she supposedly had landed a job as a
club promoter.
So she was there those Friday’s and gets paid according to their pay program?
ok
so if somebody stole Caylee?
What’s up with the smiling pics taken by
freelance photographers;
Teddy Piper
John Azzilano FLICKR
they are photographers who take club photos around Orlando and took pics after midnight at the clubs
Casey should have just left the gilr with the grandparents instead of this THREE RING CIRCUIS she has created ..
she is the MOdern day
LIZZIE BORDEN
A.K.A Casey Marie Anthony
she is wacking the press
The LE
and all of us with these stories which maybe she saw a SAPCESHIP come and take Caylee away in it?
She has not said that yet but i look for an insanity plea cuz yes she is a nut!!
Hey!
we have not heard from casey’s Grandparents are they around anyplace?
I agree with everyone else obviously the family is in on it they change their story every other second I mean come on granny rotting food and rotting flesh don’t smell the same anyone who ever had meat go bad knows that the sad thing is the family are so comfortable in the limelight that they seem to not care what happened to caylee
All I know is this case really bothers and saddens me. Here is a little 3 year old baby that is missing. No one can find her and her mother wont tell the truth. As a grand parent myself and as much as I love my children, if I think in any way they could harm my grandchild I am sorry but I would have to work with the police in any way to bring that child home to me and protect her. She is a baby and deserves to be protected and watched over like any other child that is cared for and loved. If you can say you love your child then you should also say you love the child she produced. I cant beleive any grand parent could turn their back on a grandchild who is too young too protect herself.
So much lying and denying! These are characteristics of a drug addict that’s for sure, hmmm. Caylee, where are you?
Caylee Anthony is gone for good. I have followed this story from the beginning and there is no Happy ending. Casey should just stay in jail and rot there. Anything she would say now would be considered a lie.
casey knows caylee is safe in the are of GOD!
but she dosnt care.
JiminDC……. You have been watching too many movies.
I pray they check the landfield for this precious child!!! There is no doubt in my mind that is where her baby is…I hope they give her death and charge her parents also because they are hiding the truth…
I think the authorities need to check out a group called “The Travellers’ from Murfreesboro Tennessee.
I heard Murfreesboro mentioned last night on Nancy Grace show. but missed exactly what was said.
This is where the Travellers all live. They are admitted Con men and women and the group will lie, cheat and con and they brag about their lifestyleand scams.
They have said they were going to pull the biggest scam yet!
Remember the girl and her Brother who claimed to have been Beaten and raped by a stranger in DISNEY World’s hotel!!
They almost got away with it too.Almost.
Turned out it was her brother who beat her!
they had sued Disney for millions of dollars.
Hopefully this is all it is as they(Travellers) have never been known to kill anyone..just run scams,like paving driveways other things too.
But a few weeks BEFORE Caylee was reported missing the head person from the TRAVELLERS (gypsy like persons) had announced to reporters,that they were going to pull off the Biggest scam ever!
This was written in a newsreport and said they hoped to rake in a lot of money..perhaps that is what this is, and that is why Casee is not upset about her “missing” child. She knows exactly where she is alive and SAFE. (HOpefully)
Not that she is a pchyscopath or cold and unfeeling.
Dont think she expected to go to jail!
lets stop the con game now and bring little Caylee home safe to her grandparents (hopefully they are not involved in the scam too. If so then they belong in jail too. Do they have a mobile trailer they can travel in or just a car? Apparently that is one sure sign they belong to the Travellers.
my prayers are with that dear little child.
sincerely Misty
Bye the way when I said gypsy like people I mean people who travel and supposedly pull scams.
Not actual persons known as gypsies as they wouldnt even do this type of thing involving a small child!
These Travellers apparently only travel and do this (scams)in spring and summer and fall,and all have beautiful homes etc.
Worth the FBI or police to check into looking into I’d say.
Some of the crap you all come up with is amazing I dont want to judge of course cause it is wrong to assume that the parent did this because they get looked at first wich sucks cause nine out of ten times that is not the case and If I was in those shoes I would not know how to feel but I could garuntee If my child was missing the max… I would wait is 2 hours and that is pushing it.Who waits that long to admit there child is missing?Sorry even if you are on drugs wich I have never done you should still have the right mind frame to realize your child is gone.Granted people make mistakes and I dont want to judge like I said but come on.And as far as the comment about the grandparents I dont think they are in on it either they want to believe there daughther as any mother would…Hello MOMS put yourself in their shoes or they heard the thruth and cant decide whether to turn their child in or deal with the fact their child is a killer.Either way difficult decision.Me I would turn my child in.. nobody deserves to live if they take a life of another..What is sad is you all are so quick to judge the grandperants when you all know you would stick behind your child until you found differently.Even with the 911 tape the grandma was frantic and might have considered the thought… because her child waited so long..you still want to believe your child could not do such a thing..I hope this mother did not do this and I admit it does not look good for her dont be so quick to judge the rest of the family for something they did not do..Everyone should focus on poor Caylee and pray for her safe return..which dont look good but wherever she is I hope she is ok in this life or not…god rest her soul…and if something awefull did happen may that person pay for the rest of their life……….
Anybody here yet???
here…. but leaving to watch Primal Fear. Have you ever seen it? BB should watch it and he’d think twice about representing m. LOL. Have a good night.
Hi Shoe…FYI for anyone interested…Was about to join you’ll but breaking news…A verdict has just been reached in the OJ trial…tune in to CNN for the announcement…
i’m here…yep chsah i’ve seen it, very good movie, see ya later
I’m here, finally
glad you made catherine, i was about to go back over and drag you here lol
where’s kris ?
kris, oh kriiis, where are you kris ? playing hide and seek are we ?
Oh Oh OH—have to go watch for the OJ verdict!! Thanks Mandi!!
i’m watching it to gumshoe
Well I can’t find it–I have CNN Headline News on with NG–is that where it is or just CNN ?
just cnn
OK found it!!!!! They are about to read it!!!
not HLN…CNN
yep
O.J. Simpson verdict has been reached.
Guilty on all counts
OJ GUILTY !!!!! YAY !!!! doing the football touchdown dance with flowerchild !!!!! GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS !!!!
I’m sure he will appeal the verdict.
oh yeah catherine, i’m sure he will…i physically hate him !
Going to bed girls. Sweet Dreams
he still looks smug, i barely can stand to look at him without reaching my hand through the tv lol
ok catherine sleep tight, bye bye
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! There IS a GOD!!
5 years to life and they said probably life–I don’t think all the appeals he can do are going to do any good.
LOL@ gumshoe ! it takes a very long time to appeal, so likelyhood he’ll not see the light of day again…i hope a gaurd gives him a rope in his cell and just as he’s about to die cut him loose LMAO !
kidnapping is a very serious charge and he has 3 counts of kid napping i think each have life sentence, that’s not counting all the other charges, especially armed robbery wooo
any armed crime will give a very long sentence
OMG ! my dogs started howling as oj was being led out ! i think they feel my joy LOL !
It was so good to msee the look on his face and see him crumble up and then get handcuffed.
I felt so different 13 years ago today when he was aquitted–I watched the whole trial every day–and when they said Not Guilty I burst into tears. The look on his face that day was one of triumph–much different from his look tonight.
I am elated.
he’ll be in prison, no bail for him
I am going to say goodnight.
Goodnight friends.
TTY tomorrow.
i know, i watched the entire first trial, i couldn’t believe the verdict, and the look on cocherans face i just want crotch kick him
ok sleep tight gumshoe bye bye
The Postman always rings twice!
sabrina, we are ladies here. We musn’t say crotch kick. We must say “ck” him. LOL
‘nite–I’m gone!
about time he was convicted,doing the touchdown dance rigt along with you sabrina,now it is casey’s turn to go down
i am tried of seeing that smug face on casey to it makes me want to hurt her bad,she acts like she is so special and a prima donna, i can’t wait to see her face crumble to,but doubt it she will just be stone face like she usually is
Morning, flowerchild!
I feel the same way about OJ but one thing kind of bothers me. I watched the first trial very closely and I believed the evidence in spite of the defense trying to tear it to shreds. But OJ got off.
I did not follow his latest trial closely but from what I read there wasn’t that much evidence (of his knowing guns were going to be used). The most damning came from pals who were convicted of other things and/or plea bargained for whatever reason to testify against him.
So was this trial true justice thru the legal system. Or was it “karma?”
In one way it makes me worry a little about M’s trial too but also gives me some hope. If the legal system somehow fails, maybe we can count on karma again some time down the road?
I hope!
karma is a good thing we all know oj killed nicole and ron, he thinks he is beyond the law,just because he was a great footballstar, but this time around karma got his butt this time,as i believe will happen to casey, if the justice system fails,she will still go down somehow,
morning mytwocents,how u doing?
kind of hope something big happens this weekend,and they arrest her,this is dragging on to long
oj knew guns were going to be used,just like the use of knives when he killed nicole,in ojs mind he figure hey i got away with slicing nichole up so i can get away by using guns to intimidate
I’m okay, flowerchild, thank you for asking.
I am anxious for her arrest, too. And I really hope the trial is aired (and I hope I have time to watch it). Depending if and what LE has up their sleeves it could be a slam dunk. I’m just afraid that BB has some tricks in mind to throw things off track.
Some people have said that the defense has no money and therefore won’t be able to put on as strong a defense as OJ did. But I question that. BB may have committed to pro bono but that didn’t prevent him from getting money from somewhere to hire the PR firm and private investigators. I really would like to know where that money came from. And what’s to prevent that source or another from giving the defense plenty of funds for experts - like where did the money come from to hire NG’s forensics expert - Kobilinsky for example?
what happen to the website for casey’s defense fund,at least that is what i thought i heard the website was for,could be wrong though, heard so much in this case it is hard to keep up with everything
i wonder why Koblinsky would go to the defense side instead of prosecutions side, seemed like he would go that way
Thank you for reminding me! I do think that way back someone (probably BB) set up a defense fund for M. We’ll have to research that or ask our other eagle-eyed bloggers if they remember. Haven’t heard anything about that in a long time.
But there definitely is a “Find Caylee” fund that has been closed and then re-opened. Doesn’t look like much was contributed. Since it seems somewhat attached to C & G I think a lot of people are reluctant to donate.
Maybe Kobi is just another “expert for hire.”
Maybe - if he’s ethical, he told BB that he’d only tell the truth and not spin it in favor of the defense. We all got upset the night he closed his remarks on NG with “I really hope they find Caylee.” I think NG was disgusted - it was such a “defense” thing to say. But a couple of days later he was more objective and said something that did not directly favor the defense. I think NG needs to stop having him on the show now.
i think people are reluctant to donate because they know it is all a sham,first because casey for one has lied about oh she will help find caylee if she was bailed out,not, cindy and georges actions and their attitudes toward people who have tried to help them,why donate hard earned money to people who don’t give a damn if caylee is found and why should other people pay for casey’s mistakes let her pay for her own defense
i think kobe deep in his heart knows caylee is dead to,but he has to play the game
It could also be sort of a professional curiosity! He’s dying to know all the forensic details - which are very interesting and unusual plus first time for air samples to be used in court - and since the prosecution didn’t offer him a job he took the next best thing! Just to be involved.
you know if casey claims she is innocent why is she not saying anything,if you are innocent of commiting a crime you would be doing all you can to prove your innocent not hiding behind her lawyer,she would be trying to help the police truthfully look for her child,she had a chance to do that.
in a way i like kobe,he seems kindhearted
i just wonder if the air samples are reliable
plus i also thought it strange that geroge and m blame each other for running over a animal, that was stated by both of them,why was george driving the car anyway thought he had his own car,HMMMMM
I agree that he’s likable and seems kind and concerned. Chances are he’s really interested in seeing first-hand all the forensics evidence that we’ve heard references to. Simply as a scientist I’m sure he’s interested in tha. And I’m sure he wants to see for himself if air samples can be considered reliable - and certainly would want to participate in the first case that may be using them! Legitimate professional interest + a feather in his cap to be one of the first!
seems like a very smart guy though
mytwocents do u think she is going to be charged with murder?
another point i think is strange,when the news came out of the clothes and bones they found then the searches was called off,i have heard nothing about the fact that it was proved are disapproved it had anything to do with caylee,nothing on tv that those bones was a animal the clothes no news also that they were not connected with caylee
well i hope something happens soon
morning gals,
I do believe a caller on NG asked the Question about the discovery of the bones and cloths, Nancy did answer the questuion for the viewer and stated that there was no connection to the findings of the bones and articles of clothing to Caylee…
Flowerchild…you probably haven’t heard anymore because it is highly likely that bones and clothes were actually placed there. Sometimes people enjoy running the police on a wild goose chase…especially those whom are interested in a story.
Yes the news on the searches has been sparse and confusing. I heard - on NG I think - that the clothing and backpack that were found were NOT linked to M or Caylee.
It’s difficult to know what LE is holding back or what tests are not finished or maybe that they haven’t found a darned thing. Could be they don’t want to tip their hand yet.
However a blogger who posted this morning on the blog we were on last night said she had heard that Texas EquuSearch is returning to Orlando. That’s not good I don’t think. Could mean that nothing or not much has been found.
I responded to invite the poster to join us over here. I hope she does.
I think they will try to go for some form of murder especially if there is enough DNA in the car to prove that Caylee is no longer with us.
Good morning, Alliethinks and RV!
I was writing and posting and didn’t see your posts until now.
And to top it off.
The local news announced last night that the Le where calling off the searches…
Their reason was that its almost impossible to locate Caylee under the circumstances…
Well, Perhaps they’ve had a chance to read all the data surrounding the case and can take control of where to look. I don’t think the police know, Cindy definitely doesn’t, and Casey is no help at all!
I was looking at Investigation Discovery web page and the crime writer whose page that is came to Orlando during that massive search and has photos of the area in which he was directed to search. He found bleach and ammonia bottles and a backpack…I think college kids are really trying to make a spectacle of this and are doing just that.
Good morning 2C/Allie…I haven’t read what last nights stuff yet…I’ll scan it quickly and see if anyone heard anything worthwhile.
I haven’t heard anything this morning on the news…. I’m still waiting on any credible information to be announced…
I had a chance earlier to read last night and evenings posters….Am I confused about what the blog rooms are for? I saw alot of chatting and I didn’t know if that type of communication was allowed? Plus, a lot of the posters were not even talking about Caylee…
Update: LE wants Equusearch to come back and finish the job…Their team will be back as early as next week… I’m glad to hear that…
Good Morning Everyone
Good morning Cat,
I did get a chance to check back on your response yesterday… I felt that if M was seen coming out of a wooded area, there could be only one explanation…Right?
Why else would she be there? I’m not sure if the info is all the relieable, maybe we’ll have to wait and see where the equusearch starts their search…
Hey Catherine…Just popped in for only a minute…Have to get the pool covered today alot of work to do. Last night it rained pretty bad here…we had a brief power outage. After that, he hopped on the computer, so I could not get back in when the power came back on. Sorry…
morning Catherine and everyone
..think there might be a week-end “bust”????
Allie…those people who do that are trying to gain additional information from the other posters. They could care less about Caylee.
They like to twist things, try to make people think things that aren’t true, and try to discredit others claiming they are male when they aren’t or female when they aren’t…like it really matters.
They think a lot of BS will find Caylee and you have to be a professional barfly in order to do that.
Morning, Catherine!
First, please know that nothing I said about the situation with you know reflected on you or any other blogger. I meant it as a general cautionary reminder.
Alliethinks! Thanks for clarifying the conflicting reports on the search. I guess LE is stopping their searching and asking Tim’s group to take over.
Hi Catherine…oh, and Kris and cj…Good Morning!
Allie,
I agree with you. If Equusearch is returning to Orlando that could be a good sign. LE would not ask them to come back if this last tip was
nonsense.
hey Kris, we have to cover our pool too,
what kind do you have?
ours is a rio grande 23,000 gallons worth,
ingorund.
Kris,
Will you be back later on this evening?
Catherine, I will be on a later tonight, yes for sure. Don’t know exactly when though. We have tons of work to get done today outside and some indoors too. And I need to get groceries sometimes either today or tommorrow. I hate the pressure of the coming winter.
Allie,
I think you and I both feel Caylee is going to be found.
well i DID get to watch NG last night with several interuptions lol
we had a houseful of company but that was great!
When Padilla said he thought Caylee was in the landfill or a swamp someplace to be fed to the alligators, i have to second that..
sad as it is.
2c…Eccusearch has better equipment and is actually more qualified than the local law enforcement in finding bodies. I think they have been waiting for the water to subside after the hurricane. And, this time if others start pulling crap…they can bounce them out faster now. Seems the people in that area are more interested in gossiping about or tormenting the family instead of finding Caylee.
Gotta go…he’s hounding me to get properly dressed for the work outside. It is extremely cold here today…many layers of clothes to be out there for a few hours. I’ll talk to everyone later…By.
RV, cute;
“They think a lot of BS will find Caylee and you have to be a professional barfly in order to do that.”
‘morning everyone
This is an excerpt from a news article this morning:
“Beary said that additional evidence is coming but he has asked investigators not to brief him until they are ready to release it.
The sheriff also said that he is hopeful that the case will come to a close before he leaves office in less than three months.”
later, Kris, keep warm,
we’re holding with balmy weather for this time of year..
good morn i was reading a little and wondering is tim being called back?
RV - I did not know that anyone besides big mouth Cindy had given EquuSearch any trouble.
But I do hope they can get enough honest volunteers to help if they need them.
And, wow, “Hey, Cindy! Here’s a chance to use some of that Find Caylee fund to provide water for searchers!!!”
Thanks for the update Gums,
okay so equusearch is coming back,
they ARE the BEST for searching in water, as we know..
ALSO heard there is special SONAR equipment that can be used to “search” the landfill,
and silly as this may sound,
couldn’t cadaver dogs assist at the landfill as well?
I THINK LE has this case all wrapped up and is SIMPLY wanting to find any remnant of Caylee to cinch it.
Sharon, that’s what we’re hearing!
I wonder what Sheriff Beary meant by “case will come to a close.” Probably he meant the investigative part. It would be too soon to hope for a trial to be started and done with.
What do you all think?
thanx cj
I would think the cadaver dogs could help but may be limited depending how tall and deep that landfill is, you know? If they can start taking it apart and letting the dogs near smaller sections or lower layers then the dogs could stand a chance. Not sure how sonar would work unless there was an entire little skeleton in there. (Terrible thought, so sorry!)
i agree i believe beary is saying the investigation part will end then move on with charges an trial
I don’t think she went to the swampy areas to dump the body. The whole family are neat freaks and I can’t see her willing to get dirty ESPECIALLY by the very ‘thing’ she was trying to get rid of. I can see her killing her and then cursing her for making a mess dying.
I think she did the quickest thing she could come up with–maybe threw her bagged body off a bridge or in a drainage ditch/pipe. I still think she (or parts of the body) will be dislodged by waters and found beyond where she was dumped.
If, as someone said above, ES is coming back to search, then I think this time they will find her.
I think bb and M’s “mums the word” tactic will FAIL MISERABLY!!!!!
I have the advantage to get info everyday cause I live pretty close… and the local news covers the major details on the story,
But I do not have time to research all the docs and other more info that the rest of you guys and gals ( HA ),come up with.
So I enjoy coming on to gettin more details from all of you….
2c…I don’t think that fund will come into play…C&G maintain the little girl is still alive and won’t participate in a search for a body. Perhaps things would have been different had it not been for the media frenzy, the protesters and such. Had they been given some time to themselves maybe they would have been able to deal with their emotions differently. I must say their behavior seems to be the norm down there.
2C the sonar detects warmth too so works in multiple ways,
and YEAH LET THOSE CADAVER DOGS RIP!!!
AMEN!!
Yeah…they need to move on. There are other crimes in that area and this one is a lose/lose situation. Eventually everyone will turn on them…I’m sure they can see that on the horizon.
Sometimes, I think Padilla says things to throw other people off. A perfect exsmple to me was the comment about Caylee’s body being in a landfill or swamp. If that was the case, why is Equusearch coming back?
allie where are u ? i am in sanford.
Does everyone else think that Caylee was placed in a plastic bag?
Catherine,
i think Padilla throws people off sometimes too, but as far as equusearch, they SAID they were ocming back in about 4 weeks and now they are back,
but you know,
when i REALLY think about this,
thinking in M’s mind, she thought of poor Caylee as a piece of trash,
she threw her away as such,
dumpster, that one sticks out to me as most likely..
Stacy Peterson’s and Connor’s bodies were found 7 months after they were dumped. They were probably weighted down with cement blocks, and yet they still washed ashore all those months later. Scott’s ‘perfect’ crime fell apart that day.
It has not been quite 4 months for Caylee. There is as much chance of finding a body as there is of finding nothing. I think LE gives Casey Anthony way to much credit. She’s a liar and she is sly, but she isn’t smart at all.
I said Stacy–God help her too—
I meant LACY!
mytwocents said,
in October 4th, 2008 at 10:40 am
RV - I did not know that anyone besides big mouth Cindy had given EquuSearch any trouble.
I believe I read somewhere that it was a couple of volunteers on their search team who was involved in threatening the administrators of the fund…that is causing a problem if not directly. When they try to get the focus off Caylee they are causing a huge problem. It’s not about Casey being guilty, not about the dysfunctional Anthony family…it’s about finding Caylee.
Many have let the news reports control their emotions….a huge no-no! I realize that LE want a conviction, but, let’s face it…the media has ripped apart more than just Casey.
hi catherine i didnt hear much about tim coming back. what came up to bring es back?
The DA must have a lot of evidence to present to the grand jury for an indictment, because all the documents that were released to the public are not the same documents or evidence given to the grand jury.
Daytona Beach, Sharon
Gumshoe said,
in October 4th, 2008 at 10:53 am
It has not been quite 4 months for Caylee. There is as much chance of finding a body as there is of finding nothing. I think LE gives Casey Anthony way to much credit. She’s a liar and she is sly, but she isn’t smart at all.
I agree! They are thinking some diabolical master mind whose only intent is to pull a fast one on them…nothing could be further from the truth. Many on here are comparing her to serial killers…ha!
For some reason I don’t think M. would throw Caylee’s body in a dumpster. I think she is the type of person who would bury her body, so she could have Caylee all to herself. I knnow that sounds like M. would have a heart, but it’s more like another punishment to her mother.
Well, I suppose we’ll have to see what the final forensic tests reveal. Sounds like Grace’s scientist may think what we heard in the news was inaccurate.
Catherine
i think in m’s state of mind,
delirious and crazed,
she was SO ANGRY when she killed Caylee
and remained angry that she did NOT fit into thew typical burial scenario,
that would show too much respect and love,
so tossing poor Caylee seems more her style
in this case.
hi RV pls explain this one better for me, thx.
Reasonablevoice said,in October 4th, 2008 at 11:04 am Well, I suppose we’ll have to see what the final forensic tests reveal. Sounds like Grace’s scientist may think what we heard in the news was inaccurate.
I too worry about prosecution having the funds for the needed expert witnesses. All the 82 witnesses on the list are character witnesses, so to speak, and don’t really have any evidence of value to offer as to help prove a murder. In fact, they all say she was a doting, loving mother.
The photos, while incriminating, don’t prove murder, and neither does the partying, nor the nonchalant attitude. Not even the lying is proof of a murder.
They will have to have expert, state of the art, bonafide experts to argue that the testing that has been done is infinitely reliable– has been done legally and professionally–because Kobi and others like him will be hired to testify that what has been done is inadmissable, not reliable, and was not done legally. They will tear that evidence apart.
And my point is: they have (and can get) the money to do it.
Hey Rv, momster favorite move was ” American Psycho ” Theres no telling what she might have done if no one reported Caylee…
Personally, people don’t kill twice if they get caught first….
gumshoe, so true,
and LE knows this,
but i believe they have all they need to go on right now even without a body.
Monster would do the unexpected. Throwing Caylee in a dumpster near the Amscot is to obvious. She wants people to think she would throw Caylee away. Everyone that spoke about M and Caylee said how much M. loved Caylee. Now, I know she murdered her, but in her crazy mind she felt that Caylee was better off dead than with her or her mother. C. drilled it into M.’s head that she was an unfit mother, and M. wanted a lifestyle that didn’t include Caylee. The alternative was to give Caylee to her mother which M. would never do because, it would mean that her mother was right, again.
bbl? garage sales r calling me.lol!
This is gross so I apologize in advance. But about our speculations on what M did with the body: It might depend on how long she left the body in the trunk. If it was long enough to get messy - leaving icky stains and causing a really bad odor - it might have grossed M out enough to pull in next to a dumpster or recycling bin and toss it quick. I just can’t see her carrying a drippy gross bag too far. Of course she could have driven to a remote deserted area and just tossed it.
And I’m still very curious about why M had to call Jesse to ask to take a shower at his place which I believe was during the time she was staying with Amy. Had to wash off that ick and smell real fast? Or trying to get back with him? Just a strange thing for her to do.
cj…the scientist made mention they thought Caylee was alive. You probably didn’t take notice since people don’t report on that…it doesn’t give them a reason to be terrorizing the Ant’s neighborhood. In addition, it would make Nancy Grace look like a fool, especially since she already has a lawsuit pending against her for her “cross-examination” of who appeared to be an Asian woman whose child had gone missing. Asian women, and others within this country as well, would feel humiliated by that type of treatment. To loose all good graces in the public eye would be enough reason to commit suicide.
I’ve read many on here making posts hoping the same will happen to Casey. I realize these people are major fools who delight in the torment of others.
Hey cat,
Didn’t most of us agree that Caylee was probabaly buried first and then moved….
M was scouting areas that the tower picked up on….I can believe both theories on the dumpster and that she buried her.
I just can’t figure out how she could do this alone?
I do think she did wrap her body in something and bury her. She marked the grave, so she could go back, and check if the grave was disurbed. If M. did bury Caylee in plastic bags that may have helped keep her body intact.
Of course the body tissue would be destroyed but the bones, and most likely Caylee’s clothing would be in the plastic bags.
RV - Is the scientist you’re talking about, Kobilinsky? When he said on NB that he hoped Caylee was alive? We heard that. Didn’t mean anything to me - except that he’s working for the defense now. And he certainly has not had the opportunity yet to see the forensic evidence.
Or did some other scientist say something? Please fill us in.
I really don’t think she put her in a dumpster. I know M. in unbalanced, but there is just something inside me that feels she buried her first in the backyard, and then again in another location.
M2c,
Even if its gross, its true…
I get the same feeling…
I’m not quite sure how the body decomposes, or the time frame of when it starts to fall apart…but, it would make sense that the feel of it would be, just a horrible experience.
allie….We don’t know that was her favorite movie or one she had just watched recently. Gosh, most movies are about that sort of thing anyway.She may have commented about it on her web page true; it still doesn’t mean it was her fav! Even PG 13 movies are becoming more like the type I wasn’t allowed to see when I was that age. People enjoy the thrillers…gets the adrenaline pumping. It is for this reason I believe others want to “cast” her as a serial killer…it gives them a thrill and they think it makes them look smart. I think it’s just plain stupid myself.
alliethinks: I don’t have a problem believing that M could do this alone. A 3 year old is not that big. I’ve dug holes for tomato plants that the poor thing could probably fit in.
So that doesn’t bother me.
And yes, Catherine I can see that too. Possibly laid her in the backyard for a bit (or a short quick burial until she could think of what to do) and then moved her in plastic bags. “IF” she’s telling the truth (fat chance) that she really doesn’t know where she is then she could have dumped her in a body of water which she would think could carry her down stream or something. Otherwise I think it’s perfectly possible that she buried her.
Her “trump” card! ONLY SHE would know what happened and where little Caylee is. Something she can hold over her mother’s head forever (and which she is doing!)
Thanks Rv, i know what you mean now..
Catherine, Allie,
i think with as long as poor Caylee was allowed to decompose in m’s trunk made for a obviosuly VERY messy situation..
Cat, your right, she might have been rapped up in something….
Was I they only person to hear Padilla say about a month ago, “look for a carpet..”
There was another doctor on I think he was the same one that was involved with the Anna Nicole case, but I really need to go back and replay NG to hear everything he said regarding the decomposition of Caylee.
Allie,
No, I heard him say the same thing. He also mentioned another article too.
Catherine, you’re referring to perper,
2c…my understanding it was the scientist that appeared on the Nancy Grace show. If Kobilinsky is his name, then the answer to your question is yes. I can’t be for certain as I am not a Nancy Grace groupie…(rotten eggs and vegetables being hurled now as I duck)
i do NOT believe m tossed Caylee at amscot,
that would be waay too obvious, besides the cadavers did NOT hone in on anything there.
Caylee would have fit in one of those duffel type bags that M carried their clothes to and fro in. A duffel bad wouldn’t have drawn any attention at all, except for the eventual smell. It also would have handles for easy carrying. Casey loves ‘bags’ and backpacks. The bag taken from Tony’s was described by Lee as a ‘large duffel bag’ type bag. She could have had several.
My2cents,
We are believing M. when she says, I don’t know where Caylee is. Why are we picking that one fact as truth?
alliethinks, yes I remember Padilla saying “look for a carpet.” I like Padilla and I think he means well but even I am wondering where the heck he’s getting his info and how he got his hands on the cell phone records and “pings” on cell phone towers etc.
And I’m really taken aback by the fact that his security guard - the woman who stayed with M when Padilla got her out of jail - has to ask for immunity. For pete’s sake doesn’t he train his people about what they have to report to police and what they are and are not supposed to do? I hope the woman didn’t help M get a message out to someone. Just not knowing makes the mind go wild with endless and ridiculous possibilities!
gums, yeah a possibility to have a carrying bag of some kind
BUT REMEMBER the STAIN in the trunk..
like it leaked??
I don’t know if anyone ever thought of this, but, it may be possible that Casey doesn’t know where Caylee is in as much as Amy can’t remember how her pants get changed without her knowledge. (please don’t make me elaborate)
Catherine I don’t believe for one minute that Casey doesn’t know where Caylee is. Her saying that over and over and over again makes me think exactly the opposite—just like the ‘Zenaida was the last person I saw my daughter with’ the one other sentence she has *run into the ground and broke off* is ‘I absolutely do not know where my daughter is”
I think she knows exactly where Caylee is.
i think the original place(s) m had Caylee in her own back yard Caylee was not yet a mess from decomposotion so at that point she could be plaed in the trunk without much effort, poor little Caylee was so teeny still..
Catherine: I was picking that statement just to further speculate on what happened to the body. IF it was the truth that’s the only way it could be true because she DID kill the child and dispose of her - so how else could she not know where the body is? Unless someone else disposed of the body for her and didn’t tell her where. Just speculation.
But I tend to believe she does know and that she did it herself.
She lied about everything to LE except “she didn’t know where Caylee was”. I’m not buying it. I think every word that came oout of her mouth was a lie when she was being interviewed.
When LV asked M. why they could not go see Caylee her response was “maybe I’m a spiteful bitch”.
OK my take is m does NOT know “specifically” where Caylee is
as in;
water or landfill…
RV okay PLEASE DO elaborate as regards AMy and the pants thing??? lol
So, RV - Now you’re theorizing that M walks in her sleep? Or are you saying that poor Amy harmed the child in her sleep. Remember, the child was not staying with Amy around the time of her disappearance. M was living with Tony.
Cat,
I thought so, he was telling Nancy to look in a dumpster at the time. And to look for a carpet. Now I don’t know why he said it… But I remember that he did..
Rv, your right, momster didn’t SAY that her favorite movie was American Psycho. She just typed that info into her Myspace as favorite movies.
And your right, Most of all the movies out there are violent and involve killing….
But my favorite movie is ” When Harry met Sally” I guess momster was to youth to appreciate a great romance and comedy…
What can I say, your right, you become what you’re influenced by..
Catherine! I really do believe that every word out of her mouth is and was a lie.
I was just speculating because I’m trying to think where she put the body - it’s a mental exercise not a theory I’m really supporting.
2c…I didn’t elaborate for a reason…you can chew on that a while if you are so inclined.
2C i am also trying to do the mental exercise,
not just a theory based thought.
M.’s words to her brother speaks volumes. She would want to be spiteful against her mother. M. would finally give her mother the final blow for once in her life.
cj, exactly. If a body decomposed for 11 days inside a duffel bag, only a small stain like the one found would be left, from leakage. And would also account for the small amount of hair found.
Since decomp was found in the yard, the removal of the body from the yard to place into the duffel bag inside the trunk would have dislodged a few hairs and the duffel bag being in the trunk for the next 7 or 8 days would have provided leakage.
Because a dead body just lying in the trunk (not bagged) would have provided a much larger decomp stain. (look up decompostion and see the pics of varying degrees by number of days of decomp—within 2 days there is considerable insect activity and leakage of body fluids)
abstract thoughts can be helpful, too..
Catherine at 11:22
Totally agree.
yep gums,
and we HAVE to remember they KNOW the way Caylee was lying in that trunk, read that someplace..
So far, and correct me if I’m wrong, I believe she was named a suspect in Caylees’ disappearance…not Caylee’s death.
rv, yeeah they are taking their “steps” slow and easy on official charges for the m.
so sunday is the church vigil,
humm wonder how that will play out..
you know, i think Cindy will FOREVER Believe that Caylee IS ALIVE “SOMEWHERE” thus NEVER giving m the satisfcation of having eliminated Caylee, so in essense m is mad as hell she can’t win this one with her mother.
gumshoe,
I think Koby said, decompostion starts within 36 hours normally, but maybe in child it could start sooner. M. most likely put her in a plastic bag/bags then in a duffle bag with handles, so she could carry Caylee’s body.
Well, cj, I think they can deduct the way she was lying in the trunk from where the hairs were found. The hairs, as I understand the decomp site, fall out of the head of a decomposing body in tact with the root and hair shaft. But there were only a few hair samples, and by ‘few hair samples’ they could mean as few as two hairs found. If her body was lying in the trunk unbagged for 11 days –or even 7-8 days–there would have been a lot of hair–like a small clump of hair, in addition to a whole lot of leakpage from the body.
From what has been released, I don’t think they retrieved a clump of hair–just a few hairs–maybe only 2-3.
A duffel bag does sound like a great ideal to carry a dead body in…..
It would leak alittle depending on the amount of fliud…Plus, it would fit nicely into a small trunk space..It wouldn’t look suspicious to anyone on the outside…and it would be easy to carry for place to place…
But a duffel bag would draw attention if placed in a dumpster…..Dumpster divers are everywhere and if someone was to spot it it probably would be looked into….
i need to get for now, will try to be back later on and read up what is posted in between returning. catch you all later.
RV,
That is correct.
Allie,
Exactly.
Look at the pics and read the varying degrees of decomp by number of days od death.
deathonline.net/decomposition/
There are plenty of people that dumpster dive.
Thanks, gumshoe for the info I will take a look.
suspect in disappearance, yes
i’m just thinkin outside of the box..
alliethinks said,in October 4th, 2008 at 11:59 am i’m just thinkin outside of the box..
me too, Allie. I’m not a criminal investigator, a lawyer, or an expert on anything. I am just a blogger throwing out scenarios of what could have happened.
I really have two different theories on how Caylee was killed…
1. She was left in the trunk while M went out to party…If chloroform was used it was used then to guarantee that Caylee would sleep the night thru…Maybe too much was given and killed the little girl earlier on in the evening. Which would give about 8 hours of a decomposing body to start…hint the hair and stain..buried, unburied and then buried again or dumpster..
2. Momster killed caylee in the home of the Ants, placed Caylee in the trunk and waited 2 days to bury her in the back yard. unburied her 6 to 8 days later ( when parents went on vacation) Then placed Caylee into a duffel bags or a plastic bag and carried out to the trunk and buried her body or put it in a dumpster..
hi everyone,did u see jan new post today?
gumshoe,
I just reviewed the site that you posted. Caylee’s body would be in Stage 6 50-365 days after death. In this stage the body is reduced to mostly bone and hair. The hair is slowly eaten by mites, and other small insects. It is possible that there could be hair samples to test. The bones can be tested for Caylee’s DNA.
Hi Minnie
Didn’t see Jan’s new blog yet.
One more thing for #2 theory
Then placed Caylee into a duffel bag or pastic bag, drove around with body in trunk for a while looking for a spot to put her. which would cause the smell and then buried her or dumpster
Allie said “unburied her 6 to 8 days later ( when parents went on vacation)”
The great grandmother, Cindy’s mom, in her statement said C never got to go anywhere on the vacation–that casye kept telling C she would be home w/Caylee the next day so Caylee could go too. But everyday Casey ahd some other excuse as to why she couldn’t bring Caylee home to leave on the vacation and that C & G never got to leave for any vacation.
Sorry gumshoe, I forgot that never happen,
Haven’t visited the decomp site but does it take temperature into account? And whether the body is above or in ground?
But it sounded good!!! HE HE
Allie,
In Stage 2 3-10 days after death fluid starts to leak from the body. So, if Caylee was killed on June 16th, and she ditched the car at Ascot on June 26th it would tie into the horrible smell on July 15th when G. went to pick the car up. The fluid from Caylee’s body was on the carpet in the trunk. The flies that were found in the pizza bag were most likely caused by the body fluids. Pizza normally dries up, and gets hard as a rock.
Minnie I don’t see one today. If you mean the article about OJ and Casey - Only the Lawyers are Similar - we used up that blog yesterday.
Don’t see a new one posted today yet.
I want to make sure that we all agree on one thing in here… Caylee would be 3 years old if she was still alive..but we are sure that she was 2 when she went missing or died..
Don’t you have to concider Caylee weight as will…I wouldn’t expect her to weigh more then 50 lbs. If that much…
Your right cat, so how long do you think Caylee was in the trunk?
thanks Minnie,
“Caylee Anthony Mother Described As One Of The Toughest”
bloggernews.net/118027
Hey cat,
chat with you soon, my baby girl is up from her nap…
Allie,
She was just shy of 3 years old. Her birthday was August 9th I think.
Ok Allie enjoyed the chat.
The driver that saw the woman going into the wooded area said, anywhere between June 20th and June 28th. We can rule out June 26th, 27th, and the 28th. So, it is down to June 20th-June 25th.
what about if Caylee was put in a suitcase,
at some point anyway, would make things a bit more difficult to find “her” i doubt she weighed much over 30 pounds, of that.. she was teeny.
i am going over to the new blog for a few then back to work.
“Caylee Anthony Mother Described As One Of The Toughest”
bloggernews.net/118027
(THX Gumshoe)
So, by June 20th the body fluids are seeping out of the body, and into whatever M. put Caylee’s body into. By the time the fluids saturate the trunk carpet I would think that would take about another day. M. starts to panic because she is smelling the odor of decomposition, and she scopes out a secluded place near the airport and buries her. My guess is June 21st.
M. tries to clean the trunk carpet, but can’t get rid of the odor. She then tell Amy about the odor coming from her car, and the story about the squirrels under the hood of her car. Then she turns around and tells her the squirrel was plastered on the front of her car. Then she tells her that her father borrowed her car on June 24th, and ran over a squirrel. Everyone knows by now that George was a clean freak when it came to his auto’s. If he ran over a squirrel he would have that hose and bucket of suds out so fast, and scrub that car clean. Sorry, M. not buying that lie either.
I do have a question. When was the search for the chloroform done on M’s laptop?
TWO NEW BLOGS:
Jan’s new article:
Caylee Anthony Mother Described as One of The Toughest
Oct. 4
bloggernews.net/118027
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Simon has a new blog too, excellent article:
bloggernews.net/118028
“The Casey Anthony Story–An Editor’s View”
Oct. 4
We have moved to Jan’s blog - above post.
Are you coming over there?
If not now, save the links. Don’t want anyone to get lost.
Casey Anthony knows what happened to her daughter Caylee and she’s not talking, not even to her parents. Casey wanted her daughter out of her life so she could go bumping and grinding in the night clubs. Caylee will never be found.
Caylee is dead. Her mother Casey knows that and she’s not talking and will never talk. Some mother she is. Killed or had killed her own daughter. I hope she suffers in jail for the rest of her life.
Whatever the situation was. What’s done in the dark, comes to the light. The mother has no motherly instincts. Even animals has instinct to protect their young. My heart aches everytime I read, hear or see anything about that precious, adorable little girl. All the money in the world could never replace her Angelicness. How could she not love her. She looked like a sweet little girl.
The mother has some serious issues going on with her. It appears as though reality has not sunk in for her yet, but it will. She acts like she thinks that this is going to go away and that her parents have the magic wand and it will all disappear.
She said she’s reading a book to keep her mind off of the situation. The only book I suggest she read is the Bible. Especially the ten commandments and the commandment that says thou shall not kill. Why didn’t she just walk away like most unfit parents do and give the child a chance at life with people who would love, provide for and protect her. The right way. She’s a cold, calculating, self absorbed, vain young woman. GOD saw everything and now he is giving little Caylee the justice she so rightfully deserves, that her mother is exposed for the cruel, wicked woman that she is. She’s always crying those Crocodile tears. They’re only for her and not little Caylee. Why didn’t she cry when she even thought of hurting her baby. People go to great lengths to be able to conceive and bear children. Why was this woman blessed with such a precious gift from GOD to bear life and the sickening part is that she turned around and destroyed it. PLEASE GOD. DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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