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		<title>By: uk</title>
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		<description>consider this:

during the cold war the us sent a submarine and divers to place a listening device on soviet "secure" telecommunication lines (electric current communication) that ran along the coast. they periodically retrieved recorded data for the duration of the cold war.

us admitted rf listening (ie: eschelon) has become increasingly impotent with communications taking place over the internet. that is the whole argument for bush's domestic spying in "new era communication". that is why the placed taps on major us backbone locations within at&#38;t and others as klein revealed.

the probability of multiple lines being accidentally cut should raise questions. the latest reports of egypt say their ships did not cut them as they have evidence they did not travel near the break.

tapping into today's optical fibers undetected needs them to be broken first - ie: the line needs to be taken down. time domain reflectometery can show a discontinuity if it occurs between repeaters, but an undersea tap at a repeater would later not be detected - unless one were willing to pull up and inspect all 1900 miles and verify the repeater was the original. 

the breaks occur curiously near egypt and other "states of interest" and us and israel have reason to be suspected. sure the us would like to track such things as how ubl's tapes and communications make their way to aljazeera. ip logging would go far to better locate the source - some thing local inter-middle east country communication doesn't avail the west to with their taps on domestic/international spying.

given the factual history of the us behavior and the probabilities it suggests concern is prudent.
some media coverage in the west intentionally/non-intentionally is  denouncing the whole issue. some attempt to broadly paint all the possibilities as "conspiracy theories" simply because one offering that the us is taking out iranian communications prior to an attack, has shown that the communications were unaffected. they should be more concerned with what countries are served by these lines, how odd the coincident of multiple failures is, and of showing past history and relating it to current spying by the us administration. paying particular attention to a break in egypt's line and the requirement of a "offloading" site in a nearby country to exploit the data.

One Internet cut explained, but four others still a mystery
A fourth cable linking Qatar to the United Arab Emirates was then also damaged causing yet more disruption, telecommunication provider Qtel said.

Earlier reports said that the damage had been caused by ships that had been diverted from their usual route because of bad weather.

But Egypt has already excluded ships as the cause of damage to the Mediterranean cables thanks to footage recorded by onshore video cameras of the location of the cables which showed no traffic in the area when the damage occurred.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iOI6IbGndscHLRd4lRiKCqGksCSg


Repairs under way; explanation elusive on cable failures

By Joel Hruska &#124; Published: February 07, 2008 - 10:05AM CT 
Natural forces may still explain the cable breaks, but with a fifth cable break coming to light yesterday, people are increasingly questioning whether there's more to the story.
The diagram below (courtesy of Wikipedia) shows the location of the first two cuts, as well as the paths the optical cables take in and out of the region
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080207-repairs-underway-explanation-elusive-on-cable-failures.html


Undersea Cable Repairs Started, New Stronger Cable
By Alice Turner
14:55, February 7th 2008 	
Also, FLAG Telecom announced it will lay a new, much stronger cable between Egypt and France. The new data link will be also laid on a different route. The new cable will be 1,900-mile-long and would allegedly take more than 18 months to complete, the company said.
The cable system which was cut somewhere 5.2 miles from Alexandria beach in northern Egypt was co-owned by several companies, among which AT&#38;T Inc., the biggest U.S. phone company, and Verizon Communications Inc., the second-biggest U.S. phone company.
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Undersea_Cable_Repairs_Started_New_Stronger_Cable_13721.html

 The internet
Of cables and conspiracies

Feb 7th 2008
From The Economist print edition
An online frenzy that seems way out of line
There is just one small problem: Iran's internet connectivity was never lost.
A report for the European Parliament found in 2000 that “optical-fibre cables do not leak radio frequency signals and cannot be tapped using inductive loops. [Intelligence agencies] have spent a great deal of money on research into tapping optical fibres, reportedly with little success.”
http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10653963
(notice how the above attempts to dispel by linking an old lost submarine with today's events to discredit it. then proclaim iran's internet wasn't affected - true. and it is true non-invasive optical tapping is difficult (if not impractical) it is known (was known around '85) possible in the laboratory. that is a diversion though, the better objective is to replace a repeater  with one that can be tapped and then place that repeater over a electromagneticlly communicated base that siphons off the signal to a shore station). then again, what does one expect from "the economist" - self questioning of their own government?

More network cables cut in Middle East

Mysterious outages set conspiracy theorists a-buzz
The Egyptian government has said that, contrary to earlier reports, the cable could not have been cut by a ship's anchor since the breaks occurred in an area banned to shipping.

The authorities insisted that no ships had passed into the forbidden zone in the 12 hours before and after the outage.

Egyptian Minister of Transport Engineering Mohamed Mansour confirmed that there were no passing ships at that time.

Meanwhile, some bloggers are suggesting that the breaks in the line were caused deliberately in an attempt to interfere with Iran's internet access in preparation for more direct action by the US.
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2208823/network-cables-cut-middle-east

Work begins to repair severed net
Often the location of a break can be found by cable engineers back on shore. The areas affected by the outage will give key clues as to what part of the cable is broken.

To get a more precise location, cable engineers can send light pulses along the fibres in the cable using a device known as a Optical Time Domain Reflectometer. 
There was disruption to 70% of the nationwide network in Egypt, and India suffered up to 60% disruption.

Disruption also occurred in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, reported the Associated Press.

In Dubai, at least two internet service providers (ISPs) were affected. 
There was disruption to 70% of the nationwide network in Egypt, and India suffered up to 60% disruption.

Disruption also occurred in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, reported the Associated Press.

In Dubai, at least two internet service providers (ISPs) were affected. 

Cable Cut Fever Grips the Web
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/who-cut-the-cab.html


Ships to repair two severed internet cables, Flag Telecom says
On January 30, two cables of the FLAG Telecom and SEA-ME-WE-4 were cut in the Mediterranean, causing internet disruptions in many countries in the Middle East.

The Flag Europe-Asia cable was cut at 8.3 kilometres away from Alexandria, on Egypt's segment with Italy, and located beside the other severed SEA-ME-WE-4.

Two days later, the Falcon cable, also owned by Flag Telecom, was damaged 56 kilometres from Dubai, causing additional internet outages.

Falcon and Flag Europe-Asia cables are being repaired, while the SEA-ME-WE-4 will remain severed for the time being.

The cables of Flag and SEA-ME-WE-4 are long submarine cables that link South-East Asia to Europe through India and the Middle East. 
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/news/article_1390127.php/Ships_to_repair_two_severed_internet_cables_Flag_Telecom_says

Internet cable breaks causing buzz on tech blogs
http://www.newsoxy.com/news/internet/article10355.htm

Conspiracy theories about Iran abound as 4th internet cable is cut
A little truth would go a long way at stopping conspiracy theories.
Scott Adams at DilbertBlog notes the conspiracy theories, and sardonically notes similarities to one of his satires:

    It seems highly coincidental that three undersea cables get cut and the only country entirely shut off is Iran. I doubt it is the first step before war, but you can’t help raising an eyebrow when reality starts to intersect with fiction.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>consider this:</p>
<p>during the cold war the us sent a submarine and divers to place a listening device on soviet &#8220;secure&#8221; telecommunication lines (electric current communication) that ran along the coast. they periodically retrieved recorded data for the duration of the cold war.</p>
<p>us admitted rf listening (ie: eschelon) has become increasingly impotent with communications taking place over the internet. that is the whole argument for bush&#8217;s domestic spying in &#8220;new era communication&#8221;. that is why the placed taps on major us backbone locations within at&amp;t and others as klein revealed.</p>
<p>the probability of multiple lines being accidentally cut should raise questions. the latest reports of egypt say their ships did not cut them as they have evidence they did not travel near the break.</p>
<p>tapping into today&#8217;s optical fibers undetected needs them to be broken first - ie: the line needs to be taken down. time domain reflectometery can show a discontinuity if it occurs between repeaters, but an undersea tap at a repeater would later not be detected - unless one were willing to pull up and inspect all 1900 miles and verify the repeater was the original. </p>
<p>the breaks occur curiously near egypt and other &#8220;states of interest&#8221; and us and israel have reason to be suspected. sure the us would like to track such things as how ubl&#8217;s tapes and communications make their way to aljazeera. ip logging would go far to better locate the source - some thing local inter-middle east country communication doesn&#8217;t avail the west to with their taps on domestic/international spying.</p>
<p>given the factual history of the us behavior and the probabilities it suggests concern is prudent.<br />
some media coverage in the west intentionally/non-intentionally is  denouncing the whole issue. some attempt to broadly paint all the possibilities as &#8220;conspiracy theories&#8221; simply because one offering that the us is taking out iranian communications prior to an attack, has shown that the communications were unaffected. they should be more concerned with what countries are served by these lines, how odd the coincident of multiple failures is, and of showing past history and relating it to current spying by the us administration. paying particular attention to a break in egypt&#8217;s line and the requirement of a &#8220;offloading&#8221; site in a nearby country to exploit the data.</p>
<p>One Internet cut explained, but four others still a mystery<br />
A fourth cable linking Qatar to the United Arab Emirates was then also damaged causing yet more disruption, telecommunication provider Qtel said.</p>
<p>Earlier reports said that the damage had been caused by ships that had been diverted from their usual route because of bad weather.</p>
<p>But Egypt has already excluded ships as the cause of damage to the Mediterranean cables thanks to footage recorded by onshore video cameras of the location of the cables which showed no traffic in the area when the damage occurred.<br />
<a href="http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iOI6IbGndscHLRd4lRiKCqGksCSg" rel="nofollow">http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iOI6IbGndscHLRd4lRiKCqGksCSg</a></p>
<p>Repairs under way; explanation elusive on cable failures</p>
<p>By Joel Hruska | Published: February 07, 2008 - 10:05AM CT<br />
Natural forces may still explain the cable breaks, but with a fifth cable break coming to light yesterday, people are increasingly questioning whether there&#8217;s more to the story.<br />
The diagram below (courtesy of Wikipedia) shows the location of the first two cuts, as well as the paths the optical cables take in and out of the region<br />
<a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080207-repairs-underway-explanation-elusive-on-cable-failures.html" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080207-repairs-underway-explanation-elusive-on-cable-failures.html</a></p>
<p>Undersea Cable Repairs Started, New Stronger Cable<br />
By Alice Turner<br />
14:55, February 7th 2008<br />
Also, FLAG Telecom announced it will lay a new, much stronger cable between Egypt and France. The new data link will be also laid on a different route. The new cable will be 1,900-mile-long and would allegedly take more than 18 months to complete, the company said.<br />
The cable system which was cut somewhere 5.2 miles from Alexandria beach in northern Egypt was co-owned by several companies, among which AT&amp;T Inc., the biggest U.S. phone company, and Verizon Communications Inc., the second-biggest U.S. phone company.<br />
<a href="http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Undersea_Cable_Repairs_Started_New_Stronger_Cable_13721.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Undersea_Cable_Repairs_Started_New_Stronger_Cable_13721.html</a></p>
<p> The internet<br />
Of cables and conspiracies</p>
<p>Feb 7th 2008<br />
From The Economist print edition<br />
An online frenzy that seems way out of line<br />
There is just one small problem: Iran&#8217;s internet connectivity was never lost.<br />
A report for the European Parliament found in 2000 that “optical-fibre cables do not leak radio frequency signals and cannot be tapped using inductive loops. [Intelligence agencies] have spent a great deal of money on research into tapping optical fibres, reportedly with little success.”<br />
<a href="http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10653963" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10653963</a><br />
(notice how the above attempts to dispel by linking an old lost submarine with today&#8217;s events to discredit it. then proclaim iran&#8217;s internet wasn&#8217;t affected - true. and it is true non-invasive optical tapping is difficult (if not impractical) it is known (was known around &#8216;85) possible in the laboratory. that is a diversion though, the better objective is to replace a repeater  with one that can be tapped and then place that repeater over a electromagneticlly communicated base that siphons off the signal to a shore station). then again, what does one expect from &#8220;the economist&#8221; - self questioning of their own government?</p>
<p>More network cables cut in Middle East</p>
<p>Mysterious outages set conspiracy theorists a-buzz<br />
The Egyptian government has said that, contrary to earlier reports, the cable could not have been cut by a ship&#8217;s anchor since the breaks occurred in an area banned to shipping.</p>
<p>The authorities insisted that no ships had passed into the forbidden zone in the 12 hours before and after the outage.</p>
<p>Egyptian Minister of Transport Engineering Mohamed Mansour confirmed that there were no passing ships at that time.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, some bloggers are suggesting that the breaks in the line were caused deliberately in an attempt to interfere with Iran&#8217;s internet access in preparation for more direct action by the US.<br />
<a href="http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2208823/network-cables-cut-middle-east" rel="nofollow">http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2208823/network-cables-cut-middle-east</a></p>
<p>Work begins to repair severed net<br />
Often the location of a break can be found by cable engineers back on shore. The areas affected by the outage will give key clues as to what part of the cable is broken.</p>
<p>To get a more precise location, cable engineers can send light pulses along the fibres in the cable using a device known as a Optical Time Domain Reflectometer.<br />
There was disruption to 70% of the nationwide network in Egypt, and India suffered up to 60% disruption.</p>
<p>Disruption also occurred in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, reported the Associated Press.</p>
<p>In Dubai, at least two internet service providers (ISPs) were affected.<br />
There was disruption to 70% of the nationwide network in Egypt, and India suffered up to 60% disruption.</p>
<p>Disruption also occurred in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, reported the Associated Press.</p>
<p>In Dubai, at least two internet service providers (ISPs) were affected. </p>
<p>Cable Cut Fever Grips the Web<br />
<a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/who-cut-the-cab.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/who-cut-the-cab.html</a></p>
<p>Ships to repair two severed internet cables, Flag Telecom says<br />
On January 30, two cables of the FLAG Telecom and SEA-ME-WE-4 were cut in the Mediterranean, causing internet disruptions in many countries in the Middle East.</p>
<p>The Flag Europe-Asia cable was cut at 8.3 kilometres away from Alexandria, on Egypt&#8217;s segment with Italy, and located beside the other severed SEA-ME-WE-4.</p>
<p>Two days later, the Falcon cable, also owned by Flag Telecom, was damaged 56 kilometres from Dubai, causing additional internet outages.</p>
<p>Falcon and Flag Europe-Asia cables are being repaired, while the SEA-ME-WE-4 will remain severed for the time being.</p>
<p>The cables of Flag and SEA-ME-WE-4 are long submarine cables that link South-East Asia to Europe through India and the Middle East.<br />
<a href="http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/news/article_1390127.php/Ships_to_repair_two_severed_internet_cables_Flag_Telecom_says" rel="nofollow">http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/news/article_1390127.php/Ships_to_repair_two_severed_internet_cables_Flag_Telecom_says</a></p>
<p>Internet cable breaks causing buzz on tech blogs<br />
<a href="http://www.newsoxy.com/news/internet/article10355.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsoxy.com/news/internet/article10355.htm</a></p>
<p>Conspiracy theories about Iran abound as 4th internet cable is cut<br />
A little truth would go a long way at stopping conspiracy theories.<br />
Scott Adams at DilbertBlog notes the conspiracy theories, and sardonically notes similarities to one of his satires:</p>
<p>    It seems highly coincidental that three undersea cables get cut and the only country entirely shut off is Iran. I doubt it is the first step before war, but you can’t help raising an eyebrow when reality starts to intersect with fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: James Redford</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Redford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now a fith cable has been cut, further confirming what I said in my post above. As I said therein, obviously the cuts are intentional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now a fith cable has been cut, further confirming what I said in my post above. As I said therein, obviously the cuts are intentional.</p>
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		<title>By: Mystery Deepens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mystery Deepens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once I saw an insanity virus waiting for a opportune moment to attack me from under a chair. As I inhaled, he rose toward my nostrils, stopped in mid-inhale, and whispered to me that his name was Thomas Redford. Not James. Are you any relation?

Either way, there is no conspiracy. None at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once I saw an insanity virus waiting for a opportune moment to attack me from under a chair. As I inhaled, he rose toward my nostrils, stopped in mid-inhale, and whispered to me that his name was Thomas Redford. Not James. Are you any relation?</p>
<p>Either way, there is no conspiracy. None at all.</p>
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		<title>By: James Redford</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Redford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously the cuts are intentional. It's highly irrational to maintain that all these seperate cables are getting cut within such a short period of time by causally unconnected accidents. The odds of that happening would be astronomically unlikely (indeed, such odds can even be calculated if one has access to data on previous accidental oceanic cable cuts). It would be akin to thowing a shuffled deck of cards up in the air and expecting them to land in an ordered deck.

Nor is it even coherent to use the term "conspiracy theorists" in your above manner, i.e., as an ad hominem attack, since you too are a conspiracy theorist. A conspiracy is simply when two or more people take part in a plan which involves doing something unrightful or untoward to another person or other people (of which plan may or may not be kept secret, i.e., secrecy is not a necessary component for actions to be a conspiracy). For example, since obviously more than one person was involved in planning the 9/11 attacks, then by definition it is a conspiracy, even if one completely accepts the U.S. government's story regarding it.

Indeed, this makes government itself the largest corporeal conspiracy to ever exist (given that it exists via a double-standard of doing unto others what it does not want done unto it), or that could ever exist.

Furthermore, conspiracies are ubiquitous (witness all the laws on the books against conspiracy, and how many people are routinely charged under said laws), and the most egregious perpetrators of murderously brutal conspiracies are governments upon their own innocent citizens. 

More than six times the amount of noncombatants have been systematically murdered for purely ideological reasons by their own governments within the past century than were killed in that same time-span from wars. From 1900 to 1923, various Turkish regimes murdered from 3.5 million to over 4.3 million of its own Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, and other Christians. The Soviet government murdered over 61 million of its own noncombatant subjects. The communist Chinese government murdered over 76 million of it own subjects. And Germany murdered some 16 million of it own subjects in the past century. And that's only a sampling of governments mass-murdering their own noncombatant subjects within the past century. (The preceding figures are from Prof. Rudolph Joseph Rummel's website at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/ .)

All totaled, neither the private-sector crime which government is largely responsible for promoting and causing or even the wars committed by governments upon the subjects of other governments come anywhere close to the crimes government is directly responsible for committing against its own citizens--certainly not in amount of numbers. Without a doubt, the most dangerous presence to ever exist throughout history has always been the people's very own government. (This is also historically true for the U.S. govermment, as no group has killed more U.S. citizens than the U.S. government. Viz, the Civil War; etc.)

Not only were all of these government mass-slaughters conspiracies--massive conspiracies, at that--but they were conspiracies of which the 9/11 attacks are quite piddling by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously the cuts are intentional. It&#8217;s highly irrational to maintain that all these seperate cables are getting cut within such a short period of time by causally unconnected accidents. The odds of that happening would be astronomically unlikely (indeed, such odds can even be calculated if one has access to data on previous accidental oceanic cable cuts). It would be akin to thowing a shuffled deck of cards up in the air and expecting them to land in an ordered deck.</p>
<p>Nor is it even coherent to use the term &#8220;conspiracy theorists&#8221; in your above manner, i.e., as an ad hominem attack, since you too are a conspiracy theorist. A conspiracy is simply when two or more people take part in a plan which involves doing something unrightful or untoward to another person or other people (of which plan may or may not be kept secret, i.e., secrecy is not a necessary component for actions to be a conspiracy). For example, since obviously more than one person was involved in planning the 9/11 attacks, then by definition it is a conspiracy, even if one completely accepts the U.S. government&#8217;s story regarding it.</p>
<p>Indeed, this makes government itself the largest corporeal conspiracy to ever exist (given that it exists via a double-standard of doing unto others what it does not want done unto it), or that could ever exist.</p>
<p>Furthermore, conspiracies are ubiquitous (witness all the laws on the books against conspiracy, and how many people are routinely charged under said laws), and the most egregious perpetrators of murderously brutal conspiracies are governments upon their own innocent citizens. </p>
<p>More than six times the amount of noncombatants have been systematically murdered for purely ideological reasons by their own governments within the past century than were killed in that same time-span from wars. From 1900 to 1923, various Turkish regimes murdered from 3.5 million to over 4.3 million of its own Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, and other Christians. The Soviet government murdered over 61 million of its own noncombatant subjects. The communist Chinese government murdered over 76 million of it own subjects. And Germany murdered some 16 million of it own subjects in the past century. And that&#8217;s only a sampling of governments mass-murdering their own noncombatant subjects within the past century. (The preceding figures are from Prof. Rudolph Joseph Rummel&#8217;s website at <a href="http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/</a> .)</p>
<p>All totaled, neither the private-sector crime which government is largely responsible for promoting and causing or even the wars committed by governments upon the subjects of other governments come anywhere close to the crimes government is directly responsible for committing against its own citizens&#8211;certainly not in amount of numbers. Without a doubt, the most dangerous presence to ever exist throughout history has always been the people&#8217;s very own government. (This is also historically true for the U.S. govermment, as no group has killed more U.S. citizens than the U.S. government. Viz, the Civil War; etc.)</p>
<p>Not only were all of these government mass-slaughters conspiracies&#8211;massive conspiracies, at that&#8211;but they were conspiracies of which the 9/11 attacks are quite piddling by comparison.</p>
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