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		<title>By: dacian</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/111739#comment-1849800</link>
		<dc:creator>dacian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed Johnson wrote:
As far as the USC Title 18 is concerned, visit http://www.NoCriminalCode.US/ . Not saying it is true, but you would think this is something that can be easily proved in court. It will be interesting to see what happens.

The answer is they lost, big-time (of course):
The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals last week slapped hard the knuckles of Texas lawyer M. Engin Derkunt for his persistence in arguing that the entire federal criminal code is void ab initio due to a 1948 procedural mistake by Congress in enacting it. (Short version: The two houses never voted on the identical text.) At his blog Decision of the Day, Robert Loblaw describes U.S. v. Collins as a case in which the circuit "trashes another attorney (and rightly so)." Here is what Judge Richard Posner said about lawyer Derkunt: 
Concerning Collins’s appeal, we can be brief. Apart from a perfunctory and indeed frivolous attack on the sufficiency of the evidence, Collins’s lawyer, M. Engin Derkunt of the Texas Bar, devotes his entire brief to arguing that Title 18 -- the federal criminal code -- is unconstitutional because of supposed irregularities in its enactment. We recently described an appeal in which Derkunt made the same argument on behalf of another client as 'unbelievably frivolous.' ... We affirm the judgment against his current client, without prejudice to the client’s seeking post-conviction relief on the ground of ineffective assistance of counsel, and we order Derkunt to show cause why he should not be sanctioned for professional misconduct in this court. We are also sending a copy of this opinion to the Texas Bar disciplinary authorities. His quixotic crusade -- 'Title 18: The U.S. Criminal Code - Void ab initio,' www.nocriminalcode.us visited Nov. 7, 2007) -- is a profound disservice to his clients. 
From the Web site Posner references, NoCriminalCode.us,  it appears that Derkunt is not alone in his crusade. The site features a habeas corpus petition filed with the Supreme Court in September by two other lawyers, James W. Parkman of Birmingham, Ala., and Barry A. Bachrach of Leicester, Mass., that makes the same argument that the code is void. An accompanying blog reports that the Supreme Court denied the petition Oct. 26, but the quixotic bunch has petitioned for rehearing. Given their track record in the courts, perhaps they should take their case directly to Congress, where they say the trouble all started in the first place.
(From: http://legalblogwatch.typepad.com/legal_blog_watch/2007/12/quixotic-campai.html)

Where do people come up with such loopy notions?  Poor "Ralph", above, is so awash in nonsense that he doesn't even make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Johnson wrote:<br />
As far as the USC Title 18 is concerned, visit <a href="http://www.NoCriminalCode.US/" rel="nofollow">http://www.NoCriminalCode.US/</a> . Not saying it is true, but you would think this is something that can be easily proved in court. It will be interesting to see what happens.</p>
<p>The answer is they lost, big-time (of course):<br />
The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals last week slapped hard the knuckles of Texas lawyer M. Engin Derkunt for his persistence in arguing that the entire federal criminal code is void ab initio due to a 1948 procedural mistake by Congress in enacting it. (Short version: The two houses never voted on the identical text.) At his blog Decision of the Day, Robert Loblaw describes U.S. v. Collins as a case in which the circuit &#8220;trashes another attorney (and rightly so).&#8221; Here is what Judge Richard Posner said about lawyer Derkunt:<br />
Concerning Collins’s appeal, we can be brief. Apart from a perfunctory and indeed frivolous attack on the sufficiency of the evidence, Collins’s lawyer, M. Engin Derkunt of the Texas Bar, devotes his entire brief to arguing that Title 18 &#8212; the federal criminal code &#8212; is unconstitutional because of supposed irregularities in its enactment. We recently described an appeal in which Derkunt made the same argument on behalf of another client as &#8216;unbelievably frivolous.&#8217; &#8230; We affirm the judgment against his current client, without prejudice to the client’s seeking post-conviction relief on the ground of ineffective assistance of counsel, and we order Derkunt to show cause why he should not be sanctioned for professional misconduct in this court. We are also sending a copy of this opinion to the Texas Bar disciplinary authorities. His quixotic crusade &#8212; &#8216;Title 18: The U.S. Criminal Code - Void ab initio,&#8217; <a href="http://www.nocriminalcode.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.nocriminalcode.us</a> visited Nov. 7, 2007) &#8212; is a profound disservice to his clients.<br />
From the Web site Posner references, NoCriminalCode.us,  it appears that Derkunt is not alone in his crusade. The site features a habeas corpus petition filed with the Supreme Court in September by two other lawyers, James W. Parkman of Birmingham, Ala., and Barry A. Bachrach of Leicester, Mass., that makes the same argument that the code is void. An accompanying blog reports that the Supreme Court denied the petition Oct. 26, but the quixotic bunch has petitioned for rehearing. Given their track record in the courts, perhaps they should take their case directly to Congress, where they say the trouble all started in the first place.<br />
(From: <a href="http://legalblogwatch.typepad.com/legal_blog_watch/2007/12/quixotic-campai.html" rel="nofollow">http://legalblogwatch.typepad.com/legal_blog_watch/2007/12/quixotic-campai.html</a>)</p>
<p>Where do people come up with such loopy notions?  Poor &#8220;Ralph&#8221;, above, is so awash in nonsense that he doesn&#8217;t even make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 04:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's too bad that there are only cowards and self-serving citizens that live in the Divided States Corporation of America, run by England.</description>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/111739#comment-1741342</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is NOT anyway to run a government that is governed by its' people. Their tyrannical incompetence has become the highlight of an evening of meteorite showers. Grab a drink and popcorn and watch the WORLDS stupidest people acting like they have authority here.

Just like the Organic food raid, the cattle snatchers, what next? baby bashers?

What happened to the foundations like Adam Walsh, MADD? where is their strength in all of this? Do they sit back and watch too? Or is this NOT personal enough for them to get involved? It is absolutely appalling to think I would have considered any of those "raiders" an American.

It is the "bankers" who don't want the "monetary saviors popping up" They WANT the value of the dollar to zero out. They have planned this from the beginning.

"There is NOTHING new under the sun"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is NOT anyway to run a government that is governed by its&#8217; people. Their tyrannical incompetence has become the highlight of an evening of meteorite showers. Grab a drink and popcorn and watch the WORLDS stupidest people acting like they have authority here.</p>
<p>Just like the Organic food raid, the cattle snatchers, what next? baby bashers?</p>
<p>What happened to the foundations like Adam Walsh, MADD? where is their strength in all of this? Do they sit back and watch too? Or is this NOT personal enough for them to get involved? It is absolutely appalling to think I would have considered any of those &#8220;raiders&#8221; an American.</p>
<p>It is the &#8220;bankers&#8221; who don&#8217;t want the &#8220;monetary saviors popping up&#8221; They WANT the value of the dollar to zero out. They have planned this from the beginning.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is NOTHING new under the sun&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Zcoins Creator</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/111739#comment-131685</link>
		<dc:creator>Zcoins Creator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the raid was timed to both eliminate a competitor which had a chance of at least providing a little bit of relief from the currency devaluation the FRN's are currently in and also to discourage other would-be currency competitors from entering the business.  It doesn't matter whether the Feds eventually have to give everything back to Liberty Services.  What matters is that they have dealt a blow to an instrument that potentially posed a real danger to the dollar, at this very precarious time in which the dollar is to be destroyed.  The Feds want no monetary saviors popping up.  The ALC was a good idea, but they they made some mistakes, such as keeping everything too centralized, using too-similar wording on the coins and certificates to the dollar, etc.  I wrote to Bernard when he asked for offers on the CEO position (which was eventually filled and then open again) both times that position was available and asked him to incorporate Zcoins ideas into the ALC, but I was never considered for the position.  In hind sight, I'm glad I wasn't.  Still, though, it's too bad for those who lost money and hope on this company.  The Feds will surely drag their feet as much as possible on this.  100,000 Liberty Dollar Associates just standing around doing nothing is a waste.  Hopefully, some other organization will step in to fill the void left by Liberty Services, so that the monetary reform heat on the Feds is not let up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the raid was timed to both eliminate a competitor which had a chance of at least providing a little bit of relief from the currency devaluation the FRN&#8217;s are currently in and also to discourage other would-be currency competitors from entering the business.  It doesn&#8217;t matter whether the Feds eventually have to give everything back to Liberty Services.  What matters is that they have dealt a blow to an instrument that potentially posed a real danger to the dollar, at this very precarious time in which the dollar is to be destroyed.  The Feds want no monetary saviors popping up.  The ALC was a good idea, but they they made some mistakes, such as keeping everything too centralized, using too-similar wording on the coins and certificates to the dollar, etc.  I wrote to Bernard when he asked for offers on the CEO position (which was eventually filled and then open again) both times that position was available and asked him to incorporate Zcoins ideas into the ALC, but I was never considered for the position.  In hind sight, I&#8217;m glad I wasn&#8217;t.  Still, though, it&#8217;s too bad for those who lost money and hope on this company.  The Feds will surely drag their feet as much as possible on this.  100,000 Liberty Dollar Associates just standing around doing nothing is a waste.  Hopefully, some other organization will step in to fill the void left by Liberty Services, so that the monetary reform heat on the Feds is not let up.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/111739#comment-131044</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logically, why would anyone prefer the constantly devaluing dollar over a commodoties backed currency? Surely this raid was just an attempt to eradicate a strong competitor to the Federal Reserve note.

I've heard that there are several countries in the world whose currencies are backed by commodoties. Does anyone know if this is true and if so, what are those currencies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logically, why would anyone prefer the constantly devaluing dollar over a commodoties backed currency? Surely this raid was just an attempt to eradicate a strong competitor to the Federal Reserve note.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that there are several countries in the world whose currencies are backed by commodoties. Does anyone know if this is true and if so, what are those currencies?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggernews.net/111739#comment-128700</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>e constitution was written and itended to outline and restreict the powers of government, not people. Any private individual is free to create his own currency and trade it with someone else. Can I not trade an ounce of silver with you for something you own of value? 

"There is no law that says goods and services must be paid for with Federal Reserve Notes.  Parties entering into a transaction can establish any medium of exchange that is agreed upon."
- Andrew Williams, Spokesman for the Federal Reserve in Washinton, DC

As far as the USC Title 18 is concerned, visit http://www.NoCriminalCode.US/ . Not saying it is true, but you would think this is something that can be easily proved in court. It will be interesting to see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>e constitution was written and itended to outline and restreict the powers of government, not people. Any private individual is free to create his own currency and trade it with someone else. Can I not trade an ounce of silver with you for something you own of value? </p>
<p>&#8220;There is no law that says goods and services must be paid for with Federal Reserve Notes.  Parties entering into a transaction can establish any medium of exchange that is agreed upon.&#8221;<br />
- Andrew Williams, Spokesman for the Federal Reserve in Washinton, DC</p>
<p>As far as the USC Title 18 is concerned, visit <a href="http://www.NoCriminalCode.US/" rel="nofollow">http://www.NoCriminalCode.US/</a> . Not saying it is true, but you would think this is something that can be easily proved in court. It will be interesting to see what happens.</p>
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