Comments on: Are Ron Paul Supporters Real? http://www.bloggernews.net/111517 High-quality English language analysis and editorial writing on the news. Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:19:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Chad Rushing http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-121080 Chad Rushing Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:40:11 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-121080 The Stiletto wrote: "Why aren’t all you folks reflected in the national polls - the ones conducted by human beings and not over the Internet? Maybe you’re not home when your number is called? Maybe you’re disingenuously telling the pollsters you plan to vote for someone else so that on Election Day you can achieve a reverse Bradley Effect? Maybe you are all on the Do Not Call list and cannot be polled by conventional means?" You know, I think that is a actually a very good question, and I find the huge discrepancies between online and "offline" polls a bit puzzling myself. If I were to receive a call from a pollster about the presidential candidates, I would gladly state that I am a Ron Paul supporter and have voted straight Republican my entire life (so far). However, I have never been called and asked to participate in such a poll in the 17 years I have been voting age despite having had a landline phone with a public number the entire time. Random charities seem to have absolutely no problems with finding me and calling me up on a weekly basis, so why are there no phone calls from the political pollsters? So, which group of people are being questioned in these offline, "scientific" polls? I have no earthly idea. It is my understanding, though, that even a poll question can be phrased in such a way as to eliminate Paul's support being properly registered. For example, if one were to receive a call from a computerized polling system (such as one that I have read was used in New Hampshire) that offered as your choices (a) Giuliani, (b) Romney, (c) McCain, (d) Thompson, (e) other, or (f) undecided, how could such a poll possibly reflect specific support for Ron Paul? Personally, I believe that the local straw polls across the country are cummulatively a much more accurate gauge of a candidate's support as his/her supporters must actually take the time to travel to the polling location and (more often than not) spend their own money to vote in those polls. People who are generally apathetic or ambivalent about politics (i.e., most American citizens who are unlikely to vote in the primaries) rarely go through the trouble to particpate in these straw polls. These straw polls so far seem to reflect Paul's "offline" popularity much more accurately than the phone polls so often cited as infallibly authoritative and are definitely worthy of consideration: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/ The Stiletto wrote: “Why aren’t all you folks reflected in the national polls - the ones conducted by human beings and not over the Internet? Maybe you’re not home when your number is called? Maybe you’re disingenuously telling the pollsters you plan to vote for someone else so that on Election Day you can achieve a reverse Bradley Effect? Maybe you are all on the Do Not Call list and cannot be polled by conventional means?”

You know, I think that is a actually a very good question, and I find the huge discrepancies between online and “offline” polls a bit puzzling myself.

If I were to receive a call from a pollster about the presidential candidates, I would gladly state that I am a Ron Paul supporter and have voted straight Republican my entire life (so far). However, I have never been called and asked to participate in such a poll in the 17 years I have been voting age despite having had a landline phone with a public number the entire time. Random charities seem to have absolutely no problems with finding me and calling me up on a weekly basis, so why are there no phone calls from the political pollsters?

So, which group of people are being questioned in these offline, “scientific” polls? I have no earthly idea. It is my understanding, though, that even a poll question can be phrased in such a way as to eliminate Paul’s support being properly registered. For example, if one were to receive a call from a computerized polling system (such as one that I have read was used in New Hampshire) that offered as your choices (a) Giuliani, (b) Romney, (c) McCain, (d) Thompson, (e) other, or (f) undecided, how could such a poll possibly reflect specific support for Ron Paul?

Personally, I believe that the local straw polls across the country are cummulatively a much more accurate gauge of a candidate’s support as his/her supporters must actually take the time to travel to the polling location and (more often than not) spend their own money to vote in those polls. People who are generally apathetic or ambivalent about politics (i.e., most American citizens who are unlikely to vote in the primaries) rarely go through the trouble to particpate in these straw polls. These straw polls so far seem to reflect Paul’s “offline” popularity much more accurately than the phone polls so often cited as infallibly authoritative and are definitely worthy of consideration:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/

]]> By: Michael Harkin http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120982 Michael Harkin Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:10:10 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120982 There is one substantive argument against a successful Ron Paul presidential bid - lack of name recognition. And, to be honest, this is a very legitimate argument. A lack of knowledge about a candidate leads to the main reason why people do not vote for someone - lack of trust. If you do not know enough about a candidate, you can't trust him, and trust takes time to build. That is why the poll numbers are so high for Giuliani, Romney, McCain, and Thompson. They are known. Both their limitations and their strengths. A known candidate will always be chosen over an unknown. Ron Paul is not known to the majority of Americans. And the MSM has done a stupendous job of keeping things that way. Despite the money he has raised. Despite his integrity and unparalleled voting record against government intrusion and expansion. Despite him being the only anti-war Republican candidate. Despite the amazing grass roots effort of his supporters. All of these are newsworthy items. But to crack open the lid to Paul is to open the Pandora's Box to an unknown world of freedom, a world not dependent upon the every whim of our federal master. It would open the way for a people that could care less about the comings and goings of the DC beltway crowd, a land free of international entanglements, and a population far more focused on the comings and goings of our local communities, rather than some media created crisis in a distant land. In other words, a much more boring country. Do you now see the threat of Paul to the MSM? He is not only a threat to the established power but all those who feed off of it. That is why they 'can't' cover Paul? Normally, they would be ecstatic over the thought of conflict. But they are not idiots. They see the writing on the wall. They truly know what a Paul presidency would entail. So should you. Don't give up, don't slow down. Press on. There is one substantive argument against a successful Ron Paul presidential bid - lack of name recognition. And, to be honest, this is a very legitimate argument. A lack of knowledge about a candidate leads to the main reason why people do not vote for someone - lack of trust. If you do not know enough about a candidate, you can’t trust him, and trust takes time to build. That is why the poll numbers are so high for Giuliani, Romney, McCain, and Thompson. They are known. Both their limitations and their strengths. A known candidate will always be chosen over an unknown. Ron Paul is not known to the majority of Americans. And the MSM has done a stupendous job of keeping things that way. Despite the money he has raised. Despite his integrity and unparalleled voting record against government intrusion and expansion. Despite him being the only anti-war Republican candidate. Despite the amazing grass roots effort of his supporters. All of these are newsworthy items. But to crack open the lid to Paul is to open the Pandora’s Box to an unknown world of freedom, a world not dependent upon the every whim of our federal master. It would open the way for a people that could care less about the comings and goings of the DC beltway crowd, a land free of international entanglements, and a population far more focused on the comings and goings of our local communities, rather than some media created crisis in a distant land. In other words, a much more boring country. Do you now see the threat of Paul to the MSM? He is not only a threat to the established power but all those who feed off of it. That is why they ‘can’t’ cover Paul? Normally, they would be ecstatic over the thought of conflict. But they are not idiots. They see the writing on the wall. They truly know what a Paul presidency would entail. So should you. Don’t give up, don’t slow down. Press on.

]]> By: Jim Satterfield http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120966 Jim Satterfield Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:41:30 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120966 Yep, Dr. Paul's supporters are certifiable. They believe in conspiracy theories. They believe that Paul believes in liberty because he's willing to let the states limit it instead of the federal government. They actually think that a majority of American voters are willing to to vote to support these stands on the issues. Not only the IRS should be abolished but so should the FTC, FDA, FCC, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, OSHA, Department of Education and basically every government agency that does anything except law enforcement and defense. While the federal government should not ban gay marriage or abortion the states should be allowed to intrude into your private life as much as they want as long as it's to control what society considers to be immoral. If you doubt it read this <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html" rel="nofollow">article by Ron Paul</a>. In his view while he may call anti-gay sex laws "silly" he does believe that a state has the right to "...decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards.". Liberty in the world of Ron Paul is only for the majority in at least some issues. In case you haven't realized it yet Ron Paul not only believes that Roe v. Wade is wrong but with the reasoning in this article he would also oppose Griswold v. Connecticut. Once this and other articles Ron Paul has written come into the public eye he will have more than a few people who would never vote for him. Most Paulistas don't have a clue what all of his views are or are fanatical enough to not care what his real views are because they have vested in him whatever hopes and beliefs they have whether he really is what they claim or not. Yep, Dr. Paul’s supporters are certifiable. They believe in conspiracy theories. They believe that Paul believes in liberty because he’s willing to let the states limit it instead of the federal government. They actually think that a majority of American voters are willing to to vote to support these stands on the issues.

Not only the IRS should be abolished but so should the FTC, FDA, FCC, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, OSHA, Department of Education and basically every government agency that does anything except law enforcement and defense.

While the federal government should not ban gay marriage or abortion the states should be allowed to intrude into your private life as much as they want as long as it’s to control what society considers to be immoral. If you doubt it read this article by Ron Paul. In his view while he may call anti-gay sex laws “silly” he does believe that a state has the right to “…decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards.”. Liberty in the world of Ron Paul is only for the majority in at least some issues. In case you haven’t realized it yet Ron Paul not only believes that Roe v. Wade is wrong but with the reasoning in this article he would also oppose Griswold v. Connecticut.

Once this and other articles Ron Paul has written come into the public eye he will have more than a few people who would never vote for him. Most Paulistas don’t have a clue what all of his views are or are fanatical enough to not care what his real views are because they have vested in him whatever hopes and beliefs they have whether he really is what they claim or not.

]]> By: Robert http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120903 Robert Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:53:15 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120903 The message is for real. This is not about the candidate, but about the ideas. Ideas of freedom, liberty, and justice - ideas that the political establishment has forgotten. Voters should not be fooled into thinking this is a popularity contest. It is not. Voting should always be about your principles. Support Ron Paul. The message is for real. This is not about the candidate, but about the ideas. Ideas of freedom, liberty, and justice - ideas that the political establishment has forgotten. Voters should not be fooled into thinking this is a popularity contest. It is not. Voting should always be about your principles. Support Ron Paul.

]]> By: greg http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120836 greg Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:23:54 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120836 Don't like Ron Paul because so many people do. Don't hate Ron Paul because you don't like his supporters. There is no possible way to fight his message. He stands for everything this country is supposed to be for. If you took half the time to do your research and learn about him, that you do arging to one or two of his supporters opinions, you would be as excited and amazed as everyone else . You would see that there IS hope for this country after all. If you don't believe that there is anything wrong with our country, there is no hope for you, and you should just continue to fuel our fire. I believe (and its only my opinion) that all of the United States institutions are in serious trouble, because of greed and corruption, and we need to shake up the powers that be. The complacency of our citizens is disgusting, and the media which is supposed to for the people, is obviously not. Just look at it. MSM is entertainment and for profit. It has no substance. Reporting is a thing of the past because its easier and CHEAPER to take something from the wire, put a twist on it that pisses people off, and have people arguing irrelevant and often false facts for an hour. The real news comes from 1,000,000's of sources online. Maybe that's why so many of us 'internet savy' users who support Ron Paul know what we're talking about. We don't get our news from the 5 boards of directors, who dominate 90% of the MSM. (first research this- I'll make it easy for you- answers.com, wikipedia.com, http://www.cjr.org/resources/ ) Time Warner, Viacom, Disney, News corp, Vevendi. Ron Paul's internet savy users get our news from them, and 1,000,000's of other websites. We find facts in one article that weren't mentioned in another, and then we do research on that until we find that it is true, many times from one of the big 5. But they never seem to tie it all together in one broadcast so that everyone can see the light. Open your eyes, open your mind, the world is real, and together we can make a difference. Don’t like Ron Paul because so many people do. Don’t hate Ron Paul because you don’t like his supporters. There is no possible way to fight his message. He stands for everything this country is supposed to be for. If you took half the time to do your research and learn about him, that you do arging to one or two of his supporters opinions, you would be as excited and amazed as everyone else . You would see that there IS hope for this country after all. If you don’t believe that there is anything wrong with our country, there is no hope for you, and you should just continue to fuel our fire. I believe (and its only my opinion) that all of the United States institutions are in serious trouble, because of greed and corruption, and we need to shake up the powers that be. The complacency of our citizens is disgusting, and the media which is supposed to for the people, is obviously not. Just look at it. MSM is entertainment and for profit. It has no substance. Reporting is a thing of the past because its easier and CHEAPER to take something from the wire, put a twist on it that pisses people off, and have people arguing irrelevant and often false facts for an hour. The real news comes from 1,000,000’s of sources online. Maybe that’s why so many of us ‘internet savy’ users who support Ron Paul know what we’re talking about. We don’t get our news from the 5 boards of directors, who dominate 90% of the MSM. (first research this- I’ll make it easy for you- answers.com, wikipedia.com, http://www.cjr.org/resources/ ) Time Warner, Viacom, Disney, News corp, Vevendi. Ron Paul’s internet savy users get our news from them, and 1,000,000’s of other websites. We find facts in one article that weren’t mentioned in another, and then we do research on that until we find that it is true, many times from one of the big 5. But they never seem to tie it all together in one broadcast so that everyone can see the light. Open your eyes, open your mind, the world is real, and together we can make a difference.

]]> By: DaveOner http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120809 DaveOner Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:05:15 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120809 I, personally, am still undecided but have recently been very interested in what Dr. Paul has been saying. Just the fact that he's the only guy at the "debates" to have enough guts to actually say things instead of pander and be greasy is refreshing. Anyway, what I find interesting in much of the media attention he gets is how the only tangible argument anyone can come up with against Paul is poll results. It used to be with money figures, too! He still has a lot of work to do, though. One of the only valid things said in this article is the fact that where these supporters live is what's important with this antiquaited primary system. All these "I'm important" magic predictions are worthless. We'll just have to wait and see! I, personally, am still undecided but have recently been very interested in what Dr. Paul has been saying. Just the fact that he’s the only guy at the “debates” to have enough guts to actually say things instead of pander and be greasy is refreshing.

Anyway, what I find interesting in much of the media attention he gets is how the only tangible argument anyone can come up with against Paul is poll results. It used to be with money figures, too!

He still has a lot of work to do, though. One of the only valid things said in this article is the fact that where these supporters live is what’s important with this antiquaited primary system.

All these “I’m important” magic predictions are worthless. We’ll just have to wait and see!

]]> By: Jeff Cooper http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120804 Jeff Cooper Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:52:27 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120804 Ron Paul is real, the money is real and we will prove it come the primaries. Those that detract from Dr. Paul either have not heard what he has to say or don't understand the role of our constitutionally limited government and why it is that way or have something to gain by running him down. Ron Paul is real, the money is real and we will prove it come the primaries.
Those that detract from Dr. Paul either have not heard what he has to say or don’t understand the role of our constitutionally limited government and why it is that way or have something to gain by running him down.

]]> By: Tannim http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120751 Tannim Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:05:32 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120751 The Stilleto is going dull. Equating Ron Paul to Ross Perot is like equating Thomas Jefferson to George W Bush: same parts, same postion, but a lot different in outcomes and philospohies. It's also just the next attempt by the Old Media and the dumb critics to distract from the issues that Dr. Paul is addressing and the people are getting with him on. We don't register in the Old Media polls because A) They are stuck in the last millenium's technology of landlines; B) They are skewed towards a perdetermined result by those paying for it and their agenda; C) their sample space is not representative of America, just microscopic segments in isolated areas. Sorry, we're drinking no Kool-Aid here. We donated the Kool-Aid money to Dr. Paul. Besides, Kool-Aid is just artificially-colored sugar water. We prefer more substance, which is why support Dr. Paul. *Yawn.* Another critic is shown to have no clothes... The Stilleto is going dull. Equating Ron Paul to Ross Perot is like equating Thomas Jefferson to George W Bush: same parts, same postion, but a lot different in outcomes and philospohies.

It’s also just the next attempt by the Old Media and the dumb critics to distract from the issues that Dr. Paul is addressing and the people are getting with him on.

We don’t register in the Old Media polls because A) They are stuck in the last millenium’s technology of landlines; B) They are skewed towards a perdetermined result by those paying for it and their agenda; C) their sample space is not representative of America, just microscopic segments in isolated areas.

Sorry, we’re drinking no Kool-Aid here. We donated the Kool-Aid money to Dr. Paul. Besides, Kool-Aid is just artificially-colored sugar water. We prefer more substance, which is why support Dr. Paul.

*Yawn.* Another critic is shown to have no clothes…

]]> By: Amy Miller http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120720 Amy Miller Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:48:36 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120720 "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” — Mahatma Gandhi

]]> By: Stephen http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120695 Stephen Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:17:14 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120695 We'll see who has the last laugh.... We’ll see who has the last laugh….

]]> By: The Stiletto http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120688 The Stiletto Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:10:06 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120688 Ross Perot ... Ron Paul ... Hey, they even have the same initials! Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it: Another Clinton in the White House. Need The Stiletto say more? Ross Perot … Ron Paul … Hey, they even have the same initials! Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it: Another Clinton in the White House. Need The Stiletto say more?

]]> By: Benjamin Bolton http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120624 Benjamin Bolton Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:35:19 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120624 "Paul was widely seen as a political gadlfy when he entered the race, but through skill, luck or a little of both he has built himself into an Internet phenomenon. …" The reason The Stiletto and Chris Cillizza are wrong about Paul's electability is the error in the above: Paul did not build himself... he didn't organize or govern grassroots efforts like the Nov. 5th campaign. Paul's campaign is of the people, by the people, and for the people. If you value our nation's constitution, the principals of sound capital economics, the restoration of civil liberties and privacy right to individuals, and a peaceful and prosperous America with more power to the people than the state, welcome to the ranks of Ron Paul. “Paul was widely seen as a political gadlfy when he entered the race, but through skill, luck or a little of both he has built himself into an Internet phenomenon. …”

The reason The Stiletto and Chris Cillizza are wrong about Paul’s electability is the error in the above: Paul did not build himself… he didn’t organize or govern grassroots efforts like the Nov. 5th campaign. Paul’s campaign is of the people, by the people, and for the people. If you value our nation’s constitution, the principals of sound capital economics, the restoration of civil liberties and privacy right to individuals, and a peaceful and prosperous America with more power to the people than the state, welcome to the ranks of Ron Paul.

]]> By: The Stiletto http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120616 The Stiletto Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:14:52 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120616 Why aren't all you folks reflected in the national polls - the ones conducted by human beings and not over the Internet? Maybe you're not home when your number is called? Maybe you're disingenuously telling the pollsters you plan to vote for someone else so that on Election Day you can achieve a reverse Bradley Effect? Maybe you are all on the Do Not Call list and cannot be polled by conventional means? Why aren’t all you folks reflected in the national polls - the ones conducted by human beings and not over the Internet? Maybe you’re not home when your number is called? Maybe you’re disingenuously telling the pollsters you plan to vote for someone else so that on Election Day you can achieve a reverse Bradley Effect? Maybe you are all on the Do Not Call list and cannot be polled by conventional means?

]]> By: Nexus http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120607 Nexus Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:54:13 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120607 I was real last time I checked. My money is real and my vote is real. I really don't understand what those who keep saying Dr. Paul can't win are trying to accomplish. Do they think if they keep saying 'no chance' that we'll all just give up and go home? I don't think so. If you’re behind in a race, you try harder and keep fighting. You don't just give up. I support Ron Paul because he is the only candidate who seems to understand that the federal government was never meant to be a service provider. He understands that a service is not a right (health care). He understands the government exists to protect liberty. Do any of the other GOP candidates’ even address these issues? Nope. They are all lining up to see who can bomb Iran first. Maybe Dr. Paul won't win, but if he does well enough there is a chance whoever wins the nomination will have to address some of those issues. Remember, Barry Goldwater lost in one of the most lopsided races in history, but he brought conservatism to the forefront and changed the face of the GOP. The only way we truly lose here is if we stop trying. I was real last time I checked. My money is real and my vote is real.
I really don’t understand what those who keep saying Dr. Paul can’t win are trying to accomplish. Do they think if they keep saying ‘no chance’ that we’ll all just give up and go home? I don’t think so. If you’re behind in a race, you try harder and keep fighting. You don’t just give up. I support Ron Paul because he is the only candidate who seems to understand that the federal government was never meant to be a service provider. He understands that a service is not a right (health care). He understands the government exists to protect liberty. Do any of the other GOP candidates’ even address these issues? Nope. They are all lining up to see who can bomb Iran first. Maybe Dr. Paul won’t win, but if he does well enough there is a chance whoever wins the nomination will have to address some of those issues. Remember, Barry Goldwater lost in one of the most lopsided races in history, but he brought conservatism to the forefront and changed the face of the GOP. The only way we truly lose here is if we stop trying.

]]> By: Fifth of November http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120587 Fifth of November Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:16:20 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120587 Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason. Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation. Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title): http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0 Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that “there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between” Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like “America Deceived’ from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov’t Will and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

]]> By: Bill http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120585 Bill Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:10:07 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120585 You say Dr. Paul is not "real". Why? Lots of cash contributors (individual Americans, not corporate sponsors, which is what we seem to think is more genuine)? Lots of dedicated supporters? Integrity? Consistency? Advocacy of the highest ideals of the land? Strong national defense? Protection of individual civil liberty? What level of cynicism is it that causes articulate people like yourself to say he has no chance? Why does he have no chance? It appears that your answer is that Americans are dulled into complacency, respond only to skillful PR, have no desire to manage their own affairs, and want to be led by a vast government-corporate monopoly complex into mediocre, thought- controlled, Orwellian lives. Sadly, there are significant indicators that you may well be correct. Which bought and paid for candidate are you going to vote for? You say Dr. Paul is not “real”. Why? Lots of cash contributors (individual
Americans, not corporate sponsors, which is what we seem to think is more genuine)? Lots of dedicated supporters? Integrity? Consistency? Advocacy
of the highest ideals of the land? Strong national defense? Protection of individual civil liberty?

What level of cynicism is it that causes articulate people like yourself to
say he has no chance? Why does he have no chance? It appears that your
answer is that Americans are dulled into complacency, respond only to
skillful PR, have no desire to manage their own affairs, and want to be led
by a vast government-corporate monopoly complex into mediocre, thought-
controlled, Orwellian lives. Sadly, there are significant indicators that
you may well be correct.

Which bought and paid for candidate are you going to vote for?

]]> By: Dave http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120574 Dave Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:51:55 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120574 yep, we are real. V for vendetta, watch the movie and see how much it relates to what our government is doing to us. yep, we are real.
V for vendetta, watch the movie and see how much it relates to what our government is doing to us.

]]> By: Paul http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120572 Paul Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:48:03 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120572 I was formerly registered Independent, but have switched to Republican to vote for Ron Paul. I have never been called buy one of those polls, nor will I be this season, as they only draw from the roster of those registered Republican during the last cycle. I mean this is not anything new, nor is it rocket-science. Have you been near a university lately, or seen any videos of Ron Paul's rallies drawing 700 - 2,500 people? Let me help you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-71IwDWRf8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfVcI8EuRWg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPldT3zeiYs I could go on... Now ask yourself, along with the $4.3 mill that Ron Paul received on Nov. 5th, have you seen support anything like that for any of the other Republican candidates? I sure haven't. We Ron Paul supporters are serious as a heart attack, feet on the ground, and both eyes open. Unfortunately, that can not be said for Paul's detractors. I was formerly registered Independent, but have switched to Republican to vote for Ron Paul. I have never been called buy one of those polls, nor will I be this season, as they only draw from the roster of those registered Republican during the last cycle. I mean this is not anything new, nor is it rocket-science.

Have you been near a university lately, or seen any videos of Ron Paul’s rallies drawing 700 - 2,500 people? Let me help you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-71IwDWRf8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfVcI8EuRWg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPldT3zeiYs

I could go on…

Now ask yourself, along with the $4.3 mill that Ron Paul received on Nov. 5th, have you seen support anything like that for any of the other Republican candidates? I sure haven’t.

We Ron Paul supporters are serious as a heart attack, feet on the ground, and both eyes open. Unfortunately, that can not be said for Paul’s detractors.

]]> By: Jaime http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120571 Jaime Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:45:10 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120571 Yes, we're real! My name is Jaime Hood, and I'm a Republican from Baltimore, Maryland. It's time for the media to stop ignoring Ron Paul. Yes, we’re real! My name is Jaime Hood, and I’m a Republican from Baltimore, Maryland. It’s time for the media to stop ignoring Ron Paul.

]]> By: CD http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120570 CD Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:44:50 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120570 It is amazing that you spend so much energy to try and squash our hope. Try again, but why bother talking about him if he has no chance? You have an interest no doubt. It is amazing that you spend so much energy to try and squash our hope. Try again, but why bother talking about him if he has no chance? You have an interest no doubt.

]]> By: D Prior http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120564 D Prior Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:32:40 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120564 Actually, according to the FEC reports, Hillary's 6.2 Million was actually spread over 3 days. The biggest election fund raiser was Kerry / Edwards in 2004 with 5.something million. Actually, according to the FEC reports, Hillary’s 6.2 Million was actually spread over 3 days. The biggest election fund raiser was Kerry / Edwards in 2004 with 5.something million.

]]> By: Paul http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120561 Paul Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:29:49 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120561 That's exactly right. We are going to push this one through without the mainstream media. And when it's all done, the MSM will be banished to Neocon Island along with the Bush administration. The thought of all the Hannitys, Limbaughs, Blitzers, and Cheneys, trapped with each other on an island, brings a smile to my face. :-D That’s exactly right. We are going to push this one through without the mainstream media. And when it’s all done, the MSM will be banished to Neocon Island along with the Bush administration.

The thought of all the Hannitys, Limbaughs, Blitzers, and Cheneys, trapped with each other on an island, brings a smile to my face. :-D

]]> By: The Stiletto http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120556 The Stiletto Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:25:57 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120556 His national poll numbers amongst likely voters have never cracked the single digits. He will have enough support to run as a third-party spoiler but that's it. Is there an antidote to the Kool-Aid you guys keep swilling? His national poll numbers amongst likely voters have never cracked the single digits. He will have enough support to run as a third-party spoiler but that’s it. Is there an antidote to the Kool-Aid you guys keep swilling?

]]> By: Klutometis http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120545 Klutometis Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:16:09 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120545 "Second-tier presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) pulled off a first-rate fundraising coup . . ." The only reason that this should engender cognitive dissonance is if your "second-tier" canard is false; it is in fact false. Ron Paul is a first-tier candidate with first-tier supporters, and second-tier media attention. We're not so much bothered by the fact, though, because we're proving that mega-media is obsolete; we're going to push this through without you guys. “Second-tier presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) pulled off a first-rate fundraising coup . . .”

The only reason that this should engender cognitive dissonance is if your “second-tier” canard is false; it is in fact false.

Ron Paul is a first-tier candidate with first-tier supporters, and second-tier media attention.

We’re not so much bothered by the fact, though, because we’re proving that mega-media is obsolete; we’re going to push this through without you guys.

]]> By: Darryl Schmitz http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120543 Darryl Schmitz Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:09:57 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/111517#comment-120543 Ron Paul is for real, his supporters are for real, and the votes on Primary Day will be for real. Please direct skepticism where it belongs, with the woefully obsolete sampling methods and survey question structuring techniques of the major polling organizations. Ron Paul is for real, his supporters are for real, and the votes on Primary Day will be for real.
Please direct skepticism where it belongs, with the woefully obsolete sampling methods and survey question structuring techniques of the major polling organizations.

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