Comments on: Taser This… and such as… http://www.bloggernews.net/110681 High-quality English language analysis and editorial writing on the news. Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:54:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Matt http://www.bloggernews.net/110681#comment-99159 Matt Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:48:39 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/110681#comment-99159 There is a time and a place for everything, do I think excessive force was used on Andrew Meyer, yes I do. Do I think he acted in a manor deserving of some force yes I do. When you go to an event like that, there are rules, just like there are in everyday life, you bend or break those rules and you have consequences. I'm not saying you shouldn't break or bend rules when you deem its necessary to get your point across. What I am saying is you have consequences and you have to accept them, good or bad. Andrew Meyer got his consequences and now the police have to accept there consequences, and if you think there are none for them, your wrong. But I think we will see more of this type of pushing of the limits as more and more people wake up to the reality that the latest American regime has put us in. Its not one of protector and liberator. We are now being oppressed ourselves, we are being spied on by our own government, illegally, and we do nothing. There is a time and a place for everything, do I think excessive force was used on Andrew Meyer, yes I do. Do I think he acted in a manor deserving of some force yes I do. When you go to an event like that, there are rules, just like there are in everyday life, you bend or break those rules and you have consequences. I’m not saying you shouldn’t break or bend rules when you deem its necessary to get your point across. What I am saying is you have consequences and you have to accept them, good or bad.

Andrew Meyer got his consequences and now the police have to accept there consequences, and if you think there are none for them, your wrong. But I think we will see more of this type of pushing of the limits as more and more people wake up to the reality that the latest American regime has put us in. Its not one of protector and liberator. We are now being oppressed ourselves, we are being spied on by our own government, illegally, and we do nothing.

]]> By: Jen Clark http://www.bloggernews.net/110681#comment-97598 Jen Clark Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:13:20 +0000 http://www.bloggernews.net/110681#comment-97598 You're absolutely right. One interesting thing about the incident, for me anyway, is the book Andrew Meyer was holding up while asking those questions. He was holding up Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast. I read this book, and yes, there are a few things in there about a secret society (something I could care less about) but more importantly are chapters about voters having been caged in the 2004 election. Caging is when a political party (Republicans in this case) send out junk mail marked "do not forward". When the mail comes back to the party headquarters, they challenge that person's vote, claiming a false address, and the vote is not counted. Palast had the caging lists complied by Tim Griffin, Karl Rove's ex-assistant and a major player in the 8 fired attorney's scandal. Almost all the names on the lists were minorities who were either homeless, students, or soldiers serving overseas. Apparently, this story is well known in the European press but has been completely ignored by ours. Here's why this bugs me (other than the whole possible election rigging thing). When Andrew Meyer told him what book he was holding, John Kerry said he had read the book. John Kerry knows about these caging lists, and has done nothing. I have to wonder why. And John Kerry is not the only one that knows about these lists. John Conyers has the lists and they have been openly discussed in Congressional hearings, however, since Congress has returned from their summer vacation, I haven't heard a word about it. What are they waiting for? What are they afraid of? If our rights are flying out the window, as you eloquently point out that they are, who are we to look to if the Presidential candidate from the other party won't challenge these guys, even on something as serious as a rigged national election. Would protests even matter to these people? Are we screwed? You’re absolutely right.

One interesting thing about the incident, for me anyway, is the book Andrew Meyer was holding up while asking those questions. He was holding up Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast. I read this book, and yes, there are a few things in there about a secret society (something I could care less about) but more importantly are chapters about voters having been caged in the 2004 election. Caging is when a political party (Republicans in this case) send out junk mail marked “do not forward”. When the mail comes back to the party headquarters, they challenge that person’s vote, claiming a false address, and the vote is not counted. Palast had the caging lists complied by Tim Griffin, Karl Rove’s ex-assistant and a major player in the 8 fired attorney’s scandal. Almost all the names on the lists were minorities who were either homeless, students, or soldiers serving overseas. Apparently, this story is well known in the European press but has been completely ignored by ours.

Here’s why this bugs me (other than the whole possible election rigging thing). When Andrew Meyer told him what book he was holding, John Kerry said he had read the book. John Kerry knows about these caging lists, and has done nothing. I have to wonder why.

And John Kerry is not the only one that knows about these lists. John Conyers has the lists and they have been openly discussed in Congressional hearings, however, since Congress has returned from their summer vacation, I haven’t heard a word about it. What are they waiting for? What are they afraid of?

If our rights are flying out the window, as you eloquently point out that they are, who are we to look to if the Presidential candidate from the other party won’t challenge these guys, even on something as serious as a rigged national election. Would protests even matter to these people?

Are we screwed?

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