My new co-authored column, Passport Rules Unfair to Child Support Debtors (San Antonio Express-News, 9/8/07), criticizes the new child support/passport rules which are so overwhelmingly popular among the editorial boards of our nation’s newspapers. The column is a response to the Express-News’ recent editorial “Federal law catching up with deadbeat parents” (8/23/07). I commend the paper for its willingness to publish such criticism.
Passport Rules Unfair to Child Support Debtors
By Jeffery M. Leving and Glenn Sacks
San Antonio Express-News (9/8/07)
The San Antonio Express-News’ recent editorial “Federal law catching up with deadbeat parents” (8/23/07) presents a one-sided view of child support debtors. The editorial commends new passport policies which deny passports to parents who have fallen $2,500 behind on child support. The Express-News apparently believes that most child support debtors are willfully refusing to meet their support obligations, and asserts that many debtors seek to “hurt their ex-spouses by not paying child support.”
There are child support debtors who match the Express-News’ description, but they are very much the minority. Much has been said about a few of the large payments the Federal Office of Child Support Enforcement says the program has collected, particularly the $311,491 paid by a father who was marooned in Hong Kong without a passport. Yet, according to the federal OCSE’s own data, such parents are in no way representative of the average “deadbeat.”
OCSE data shows that two-thirds of those behind on child support nationwide earned poverty-level wages; less than four percent of the national child support debt is owed by those earning $40,000 or more a year.
A look at Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott’s current “Texas Top 10 Most Wanted Child Support Evaders” poster on the AG’s website confirms this. There’s not one educated parent on the list, which instead contains six general/construction laborers, a landscaper, a salesman, and two tradesmen.
Child support obligors often fall behind because the child support system is mulishly impervious to the economic realities working people face, such as layoffs, wage cuts, unemployment, and work-related injuries. According to the Urban Institute, less than one in 20 non-custodial parents who suffers a substantial drop in income is able to get courts to reduce his or her child support payments.
Abbott’s office backhandedly acknowledges the difficulties men in these situations face, advising obligors, “It is best to get a lawyer, if you can afford one, to handle your attempt to change the amount of child support you owe.” How many unemployed blue-collar workers can afford to hire an attorney?
Another reason the passport rules are a bad idea is that the information being employed by the OCSE is often faulty. Child support enforcement agencies—including Abbott’s office—are notorious for their incessant “computer” errors which lead to the harassment and persecution of innocent citizens. Abbott’s office’s role in the Joe Martin case, as documented by the Des Moines Register, provides a good example.
Martin is disabled and childless, but was nonetheless targeted by the Texas Attorney General’s office for a phantom $3,500 child-support debt. According to the Register, the 47-year-old Iowan received numerous threatening letters which warned him that he could lose his driver’s license, have his bank account seized, and be publicly humiliated by being pictured on a “Most Wanted” poster. It was a case of mistaken identity–Abbott had the wrong Joe Martin–but it was only straightened out after media attention and a lot of heartache.
The passport rules also constitute a significant civil liberties violation. Given the errors in the child support system, as well as its often unreasonable demands and its inflexibility, the OCSE is effectively stripping many innocent citizens of their right to travel. In cases where an American’s passport has been lost while abroad, it means that he or she will be marooned in a foreign country, probably broke and possibly in danger.
While the OCSE and the media have focused on wealthy travelers, in many passport cases the money collected is not paid by the financially strapped “deadbeat” parent. Instead, it is paid by worried grandparents who don’t want their children trapped in a difficult situation.
In enforcing child support, both the federal government and the Texas Attorney General have emphasized punitive measures. What’s needed instead is an overhaul of the system, so that parents are not punished because they are unable to pay support obligations which are beyond their reach.
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackTo say that non-degreed persons should be exempt from their child support oblogation is absolutely ridiculous. I know many people without degrees who care for their children. Anyone in Texas who chooses not to pay child support deserves negative attention and lots of it. Only liberals cry about deadbeat dad’s rights. What about the rights of the children who not only grow up without their father but impoverished as well? Screw deadbeat dad’s, and anyone who sticks up for them. Society should pay for the deadbeat dad’s mistakes and actions? You pay for them since you like them so much. Have a deadbeat dad celebration and make yourself happy. You must be one of those fathers who refuse to pay child support because your wife doesn’t love you anymore. How pathetic you are to take that out on your children.
my ex husband refuses to get a real job and pay his support.He hasn’t filed taxes in at least four years and tells everyone that i will never get a dime of HIS money.I had the order fixed for him to only pay 200 dollars three times a year which comes out to 50 dollars a month.But I am the bad guy.what can u do?Now he has another son thats 6 years old my son who is 11 and now a new baby girl.I think if men wont pay the support they OWE their child then they should be forced to have a vacectomy so they can’t keep having kids they won’t take care of.
RPD…like what you said, not all “liberals” cry for deadbeat dads rights…haha…gross generalization…i am very “left” in many ways, and also a psychotherapist who works with the children being punished, perhaps inadvertantly, by the deadbeats….not to mention, dealing with one myself who is approx 15K behind [and spent years having nothing to do with our daughter] successfully forced me via court system [although we were never married and never a family] to quit my excellent job with benefits and move back to the south [from pacific NW] just so he was able to see her when he wanted to now that he has a new girlfriend….this from a very conservative court in the south….
and as always, the children are the ones who suffer….
The sad truth is these fathers need to take responsibility for their actions long before they unzip their pants. There’s no two ways about it; either they should get a vasectomy, to prevent the creation of kids they can’t afford, or they should pay child support when they create kids. And yes, kids cost thousands of dollars to raise.
Personally, I think Texas is doing a really admirable job identifying those men who wanted to shirk their responsibility. And the only reason men are angry is because they were able to abdicate responsibility for so long — and now have to pay the piper. Kudos, Texas! Keep up the outstanding work!
sorry i don’t get all of this as i’m in Australia. my bf is American and currently in Aus with me awaiting the birth of our daughter.. he is behind in his child support back over there because he is not allowed to work while in Australia. My family and i are supporting his stay here and paid for his airine ticket back toAus. does this mean that his passport has been cancelled and he won’t be allowed another? if so that is so not fair and our daughter will grow up without a father because of this stupid law.. i have a child from a previous relationship and have never once bothered to claim child support nor do i ever plan on it.we as woman know that if the man leaves we will have the child before we even get pregnant so really we have noone to blame but ourself. plus you dont go to jail for not paying it here. the most they can do is take your tax return.. i read how men work minimum wage over there and after paying support have nothing left to live off. any wonder there are so many homeless people in the usa.land of the free. i don’t think so
Americans have become so overwhelmingly stupid and ignorant over the years. Has anyone heard of the word extortion? Look it up in the dictionary. In fact, look it up in a dictionary from 50 years ago to one of today. Once the government has intruded into the relationships between mostly fathers and their children, those relationships are usually destroyed. And nobody buy a few gentlemen fight back? Is this not unconstitional? If I can’t renew my passport because of child support, what’s next? Americans are supposed to be lovers of freedom and will fight and DIE for it. I see Americans now as a bunch useless wimps without the fortitude to take on this socialist govenment they tell us we’re free! If the government has to be involved (which is promotes divorce because look at the money all the lawyers and courts make) the government should be promoting the family relationships and promoting father and mothers to be involved in dual rearing of their children they produced. Anyone put in jail for not paying child support is, by definition, a hostage. The US government doesn’t deal with their captors–neither do I.
Fortunately, the US economy won’t exist in 20 years. You’ll be overrun by the communists–you want it–look at your government. It’s already a police state. I’m glad and fortunate I left at the right time.
Classified by the US government: A Proud Deadbeat Dad
I owe substantial child support arrears which I have paying regularly for the last three years. I am not contesting the amount or that I made a serious mistake when I was younger. I’m paying what’s owed and I’ve made ammends with my daughter and ex wife. My current wife is Belizean and we have family in Italy where I grew up. Removing my passport is not only unconstitutional, it also violates the basic freedom to travel in the United Nation’s Declaration of Human Rights to which the U.S. is a signatory. It is simply a further form of punishing someone for a past mistake even though that person is making ammends. I can understand removing the passport for non payment but when regular, long term payment is being made, it should be re instated.
I owe over 15,000 in child support and now I am paying and have been paying child support plus arrears for the past 9 years my son is now 15 and I still owe a good amount due to the interest rate they add on. Does this make me a deadbeat because my arrrears was due to me being unemployed for a couple of years plus I was unable to work due to being in a car accident. But now 9 years later at 41 I would like to travel with my son, i was able to sign my name for permission for him to get his passport but where does it for on me. Not trying to make any excuses but I pay whats owed plus more, i make now under 40K per year, living in NY
I love how everyone wants to point the finger at men without even knowing the situation that led to them being behind.
For example, I was slapped with a huge arrears because my ex decided she wanted to file for support after we had been seperated for almost a year. During the time we were seperated and from the day my kids were born I took care of them in EVERY way not just by providing all of their income. The only reason she did that was because she didn’t want to work and her daycare was shut down by the state due to repeated violations. I started paying support via money order before the actual order was issued and taken from my check. Guess what??? I’m currently fighting in court to get credit for that because she refuses to acknnowledge this to the court!!! Friend of the court had the nerve to tell me “that’s why we reccomend you don’t pay them directly”. So I’m a deadbeat huh?
And as far as responsibility, how about the women who have baby after baby by scumbags who run the streets and refuse to work, then they turn around with their hands out and play the victim role. At least I can admit I chose the wrong woman to have kids with. What a country!
I love how all the angry women out here take a stereotypical view towards back child support. As far as I am concerned, child support payment amounts, in general, are quite redicules based on the cost of raising children. My ex complains monthly about how she feels that the $2000 I send her every month is not nearly enough to adequetly take care of the children. By the way she is calling me from her $500 dollar phone while sitting in her 2008 Lexus SUV. I hope she does not endager my kids while she is fishing it out of her $4000Luis Vutton bag(all very true, I assure you) All of you angry women out there crying for more, more, more. I hope you have done the responsible thing and keep your legs closed. It takes two to tango and you may have made quite a bit of your own mistakes to create this situation. From the infexibility of some of the women posting hate remarks on here. I am supprised that you are not still together with your ex(sarcasm). Work on the attitude ladies!!! Don’t be so damn greedy!!!
You know, everyone’s life is different. You have the good and you have the bad. All men should not be punished for a few sorry, selfish…… men that won’t do what is right if there life depending on it. I am a vet that had A1 credit and didn’t owe a dime in child support because that is the least I can do for my children. I spend time with my kids and purchase things for them outside of child support. I got out of the Army to spend more time with my kids because I spent more time deployed or preparing to deploy than I did with my family. After I got out, I wasn’t making nearly enough to pay my bills let alone keep up with child support. I went through being unemployed and a couple jobs but still fell behind. Now I have a wonderful job and have began to catch up on my child support. I got offered a position with the company making twice as much with better benefits because i have done so well. The only thing is, you have to be able to get a passport. I will deploy with the Army in support as a civilian making 6 digits in a year. Not only there is the possibility that I won’t get the position, I may get fired because the company doesn’t want personnel that is behind in child support or any major debt for that matter. I know that I am a fauther that wants the best for my children and because of a butch of sorry men before me and a government that put me in a bracket with them I can in up even worse behind than I am. It should be a case by case thing is all I’m saying. There are good men in bad situations out there. And for you people talking all crazy about all men behind like you know all of us. You have probly had something horrible happen to you that you couldn’t control or didn’t deserve therefore you feel the way you feel. Nothing in LYPHe is black and white.
Hello all. I am a father of a soon to be 16 year old that I have been paying child support for. (Need I say more) like a lot of dads out here on the list I fell victim to the system. I am ex-military I don’t have a college degree. Can’t afford to go to school (I have tried) and am now living in mexico working in san diego because the amount I am paying does not leave me enough to pay rent in san diego let alone provied for my current family. My daughter came aboutthrough my ex’s deciet and my stupidity (we broke up but stayed friends she stopped taking the pill and did not tell me till after the damage was done) I still took care of my responsibility. But again I was stupid. Anything and everything that was needed for my daughter I either bought or gave her cash for. And my payback was and still is I can’t see my kid unless its at her mothers house under her supervision because of all the “women” I have even though I am remarried 8 years and she is still playing the field. San diego court system bought her lies and her tricks and gave her what she wanted and me no vaseline. My arrears started when she went to court and told them I have not been supporting my kid. Gave them a false address for my residence so I never got the letter to appear in court and she was awarded “arrears” from the time my daughter was born. I did not know of this till a couple years later. I called to find out what was going on but it was to late I was 6years in debt with interest. I went to court and stated I had been taking care of my child told of the money I gave every month and the clothes and shoes I had been buying but because I trusted her I only had recent reciepts “saw no need to save them” and had no record of the cash except for the 1st of every month I showed a withdrawal for the amount I was giving her. The judge said that was a great gift. I have been paying support and back payment ever since. Unfortunately the back payents don’t cover the interest so that number is forever going up. Now I have a wife (of eight years as I mentioned earlier) and 2 boys by her. We all live in mexico. I have been there for 10 years documented by the courts. I still make my payments every paycheck (comes out directly) and now I have to leave my wife and 2 children because of the acts of a vendictive ex-wife. I still can’t afford to live in san diego so I’m stuck. After child support and arrears I bring home 1,400 a month. To rent a room in someones house you will pay at least 500 a month. I have 2 boys I am responsible for a wife and still have to eat and put gas to go to work. If I were to give for each of my boys what I give for my daughter I would be signing I O U’s every month. But for this I can’t get a passport. So here is the position I am in and I have been to the DA’s office here a complained. I either abandon my current family or become a mexican citizen. The da said yes those as it looks are your options. Now let’s ne real. Abandon my family? 2 more kids without a father is that what the system is telling me? Or never mind you fought for this country that is daily taking away our rights go be a mexican citizen. That makes sence. We are denying your passport cause you owe so change your nationality so we can’t collect and truly have nothing to do with your daughter. This is the government we live under.
What about the fact that a lady can have a kid and Kill it if she wishes. No one is taking her passport. In fact is.. The law says no one has to know. What about the millions of women who screw with no protection and give it up for adoption when they get pregnant? No one asks her for money do they?
You guys are brain washed into thinking that it is ok to slam these guys who simply had sex unprotected and have no option. They don’t have a way out after they make a mistake. Yes, I said mistake. This is insane. Anyone who has a problem with what I am writing is really not fair.
I also have 2 children from a previous marriage. Due to an injury over 10 years ago that left me unable to work, I ended up with a child support arrearage. No…I didn’t have the money at the time to hire an attorney and have the child support modified. I was then, and am now, living paycheck to paycheck. Fortunately for me, Vocational Rehab sent me back to school and trained me for the desk job I have now.
Also fortunately for me, my ex and I have a fairly good relationship…especially compared to some of what I have been reading on here. She never pushed for support through my injury and rehabilitation. She never pursued collection through any means. All she asked was that I regularly spend time with my children and do for them as I could. Of course, I did that.
So here we are, over 10 years later. I now have a new wife and 2 children. I have a decent job, and have been paying child support and some towards the arrearage regularly since I’ve been re-employed.
So now my company wants me to get a passport to travel to some of our jobsites abroad. Guess what…I’m scared to even apply. I have no idea how I will inform my boss that I am unable to obtain a passport. I’m certain this will be the end of my job, as it was made very clear to me and my fellow employees that this would be required.
What should I do? I have no means to come up with the money necessary to settle this debt immediately. However, when I lose my job over this, the debt is only going to get greater.
I guess we are all just stuck because of the actions of a few and an over zealous government.
STOP DIVORCING YOUR HUSBANDS THEN AND LEAVING YOUR CHILDREN FATHERLESS!!!!!!!! If you marry the guy, STAY WITH HIM!!!! That’s in the best interests of the children, NOT CHILD SUPPORT!!!!!!!!
Notice how everything is getting worse, not better? Gays, Divorce, Do what you wanna do, Abortion, Prayer Taken out of school, Religion Vs Politics, and so on….. you people are wrecking the whole country, you liberal, special interest, crying babies! Open your eyes people and see the light in front of your eyes! Selfish ingrates!
There’s no nice way to say it!
my child is not a pices of bate I read your thing … I hate it … love tonya
i’m so sorry if she was mean ……………… ………………….. love katlyn
I think you need to keep your legs closed…and then you wouldn’t have to deal with child support issues…You opened your legs just as easy as he unzipped his pants…so there!
Bamadad…Check out this website
http://www.childsupporthelp.org its an organization that can help you.
I feel if you are gonna open your legs then you are taking on that responsibility of raising a child..you are taking that risk..So if you want to play big girl role..then you pay for the freaking kids if the dad doesn’t help..Abolish child support. By the way I’am a woman..I’m sticking up for the so called deadbeats that everyone seems to call Dads. Most often by the time you go to court to get the child support in the first place, you walk out of the court room in the hole. Thats how most Dads get caught in arrears. So for all you BITCHES who complain about deadbeat dads go fuck yourselves. I’m so sick of hearing about women bitch about baby daddies I feel like slapping a bitch when I hear it. You opened your legs and put yourself in that position so you have no room to talk about Dads.
This is an emotional issue that cannot be solved with Napoleonic Laws which punish parents that are not able to afford the unjust negative awards of Divorce in American Society. The parents become enemies and it is all about money and then it becomes a battle of who is going to win. The government then lays down a blatant law which cannot be addressed fairly. It is always assumed the Dad is deadbeat and the amount of money accrues beyond his efforts or ability to ever pay. It is just another way to punish fathers in the USA to not divorce. Maybe the rise in murder and suicide rates are why so many men turn to desperate means to solve an unsolvable problem. The economic situation forces many men to work at lower paying jobs than their ex-spouse attorney supposedly proved to the court how much money they made. It is all sick and twisted and only goes to prove that American society is only all about money and greed. Believe me if I had the unGodly sum to pay it off I would. I have worked at jobs I hated and then after the companies went bankrupt or out of business I had to work for myself to life on poverty wages and then I am labeled a deadbeat dad because I cannot support a woman that wants to live in a lifestyle she does not deserve because she does not want to work and uses children as a tool to extort money from a man. I live a meager life and have had to move back in with my elderly mom and cannot afford to buy myself life’s necessities much less pay an exorbitant amount set by an unfair judicial system. Life in the US is out of control and government intervention in personal life is why.
Right - Gone
Liberty - Gone
Land of the Free - Gone
I story is no different then anyone here. Trying to keep everything simple is not how it is now in America. I am an American and love it. but with how our liberties are slowly taken away is insane. I met a beautiful girl that said she could NOT have kids, yet after we where told she was going to have our baby, she refused to have an abortion. I am not about abortion but we where not financially ready to take on the responsibility of a child. We separated and then now slapped me with Child support after moving clear across the Country. With no communication and way of seeing my son. now after 10 years, I met another we where together for 5 yrs. I had child support sent to me while I was living with her. (My current Ex) I could not believe that the women I was living with was doing this. When we separated I moved to another state. By older brother has the same first and Last name (yet we have different middle names. He was issued the support and did not know what it was. even though he showed his ID. this was 4 years ago, I have both can not see my kids, and with the economy without real work. I make less then 20K, from work and with child support taken out I make less then $800 to live off. for food, gas, transportation etc. I just had my Driver’s License taken away due to being in the rears. I am like WTF. I fell behind my child support, got pulled over only have a ID. No Car, due to I can not get one without a Driver’s License. Talk about living in a Police State. I used to be a Teacher in NJ. So I applied for a Job Abroad in Japan. I got as far as moving there. Was finally getting my life together. My Mother was getting a Divorce, So I came back to Make sure she was okay. I took the time to Visit my Son (Ex #2) and always send something kewl from Japan. But this was the year they where implementing the Deadbeat Dad’s Passport Law. Without me know and timing was bad on me. I could not leave the United States to go back to work. The Japanese Embassy, and US Embassy tried to make things right yet, I am stock again here in the States, Without Work, and No way of going back to Japan to work.
To summarize, it takes two to make a baby. and taking the responsibility of not issuing a Passport, should never been an Idea, This policy was created by a Women scorned, and with lot’s of money to make something like this pass. It is true that lot’s of dad’s get hit hard. Women say everyday. We want the same rights as men. We want equal on everything. But when it comes to baby’s they take the victim role. I have seen good men taken to the ringer, for when they separate. only asking what did you get you your check this week, and when shit hits the fan, they use the child as a leverage. WTF, all the women, should just leave the US and see how hard it is outside the states and see how good they got it. You can’t even look at a women without getting a Sexual Harassment suit. Most women from other countries see how good it is here, and want to move here to live, but then other women from here corrupt them, and then act just like them. I personally think that with modern TV show’s Reality Crap. just jade the minds of so many people. Everyone just want what is up with the Jone’s and Never are thankful for what they have. never working together to make it work. I think that America is a Joke, How could we gotten so far to get what we have today. I pray that when in the end all this push on money, and raising of Children does not fall on just blame. Keeping faith and Freedom to Travel, Why was I born here was not my Choice. But is the way of life now. It sucks to be an American today, but I am proud to be one. We are the Laughing stock of the World. I hope this law does change. But I don’t think so. just another right taken away from another American.
MOST FATHERS WANT THEIR CHILDREN. WOMEN SHOULD HAVE TO SUPPORT THEIR CHILDREN AT THE SAME TIME. IF I HAVE THEM 40% OF THE TIME (LIKE I DO) THEN I PAY 60% OF THE SUPPORT (LIKE I DO). THEREFORE, SHE SHOULD PAY 40% OF THE SUPPORT (SHE DOESN’T). WATCHING THEM THE 60% IS NOT SUPPORT. OTHERWISE PAY ME 40% OF CHILD SUPPORT. WOMEN CAN BE SUCH STUPID IDIOTS. THE AG OF TEXAS AND MOST STATES IS A EVIL ORGANIZATION DESTROYING FAMILIES EVERYDAY. I COULD GO ON, BUT I AM TOO PISSED AT YOU WOMEN TO SAY MORE. IDIOTS!!!!!!!
What I don’t get is why there is no government agency enforcing married people to contribute for their children. I the parents are married there is no law stating that both have to work and provide a specific % for the children. There is also no law that says if both spouces/parents are working that they have to contribute a % of their checks as “gifts” for their children. So why is there a government enforced collection process that demands that the person not physically living with the children has to contribute a specific % as a “gift” to the child? For the record, I am a Mother that receives childsupport when he can afford to pay it. But I lived many years with the burdens from his previous marriages/children and the stress from the enforced orders and f’d up laws….which all eventually destroyed him, our marriage, our family and my children’s lives. Someone really needs to step up and correct this vicious child support system and stop putting every single case in the same category.
So, after all the talk, are there any answers? My ex makes over 150k a year and I only make about half of that. For a few years due to a slow down in my field I barely made anything and got behind about 20k. I’ve been paying regular support since then and an extra 125.00 per month in arrears but it will take many years at this rate to get the arrears below 2500.00. Is there any legal recourse to getting a new passport? My ex says she would try to help me because she doesnt even need the money and knows it will eventually be paid and isn’t afraid of me skipping the country, etc… Would any of that make a difference? I have work I could be doing out of the country that could help pay back more of the arrears faster. Any suggestions?
My ex husband is 9622. behind on support. He claims he injured his back in Iraq.. Well his back can’t be too bad if he can reroof his parents house, work on thier cars, and cut wood for them,, Wisconsin childsupport took him to court on contempt charges,, Oh guess what,, he got those charges dropped,, Then he has the nerve to take me to court to get his support stopped,, The Judge ordered him to pay 63.00 a month,, alot less then the 253. a month he was supposed to pay,, well guess what,, 60 days have passed and no support. So I called my CS case worker and she tells me the childsupport attorney wont take him back to court for contempt, because the Judge will say we are picking on him,,, Bull crap,, just make him pay the money or make him sit in jail,,, So for the last 8 years my new husband has been supporting my ex’s son and we are paying 400 a month for my new husbands kids,, I just wish I could find the right person who could help me,, My ex is scaming the Military and the court system.. Just frustrating
I can not continue my occupation because the company I was just hired requires me to go to Afganistan. I have been paying 1200.00 a month for two cases of child support plus 10% interest on 98,000.00 expotentially for years. My 14 year old son is in a foster home because he was removed from his Mom and I am required to pay full health insurance on him additionally. I have contacted the state of California time and time again with no response as to the whereabouts of my son and do not know who my money is going to. I need to go to Afganistan to a police training facility to test high voltage equipment. It pays 600.00 dollars a day war zone pay. I was hoping to recieve a passport just to go back to work and have this great oppertunity to pay the state of california a lump sum of child support. My initial job interview is this Monday and it requires me to have a passport as it is a global company. How is it that constitutionally I am enslaved by a debt brought on mainly by a degrading economy. I finally land a great career position thats going to make a difference in my childs life as I need to gain custody a hire a lawyer to represent me and my own government has hampered the very thing they require of me. HOME of the FREE, HOME of the HELPLESS, HOPELESS, HORRIBLE, CONGRESS and their MERRY MEN. I give up!
If you know you have child support and apply for a passport the government keeps the money and sends you back a thanks for recently giving us your money and getting nothing in return letter. Non-Negotiable
The child support laws are crap. I do believe that children should be supported, but it doesn’t cost $1,000 a month to raise a child, especially if they’re not in daycare or diapers. The child’s expenses should be added up and then split between the two parents rather than having a set amount each month. What happens to the extra money? It goes to the non-custodial parent. It’s not fair to the children or the non-custodial parent.
The child support laws are serious out of hand. I am just like some of the dads on here that was seperated sending checks to the mother and on the checks i would put child support on the memo. Well about 6 years later I get a letter from the child support office saying I am behind, I called them and they said it may be a mistake. They call back a few days later and informed me that I am behind, I told them I had proof with childsupport writen on the check and they tell me IT IS A GIFT. I didnt write gift on the checks. So now i am about 30,000 dollars behind for gifting my children well I guess that makes me a deadbeat dad,, huuhhhhhh.I thought when you write a check it was a legal document but i guess not for child support.
All this talk about deadbeet dads, and I fall into the opposite category. My ex, after having kidnapped y children from me was awarded “de facto” custody of our four children. I was stuck with child support, beginning in November of 2009. His lawyer made a typo in the divorce decree, causing the child support to be due a year early. I lost my job shortly after our divorce and have been unable to locate employment. I also have a baby at home (not his), meaning that I also need to pay for daycare when I work. They are basically threatening to take everything from me, passport, driver’s license, and ruin my credit which is already bad. It’s not always dads in these situations.
I have a question to go along with all of this. If they want parents to step up, why doesn’t the DA offer employment services instead of making it harder to get a job?
All the stories of non-custodial parents trying to pay arrears for large amounts of money, situations where they can not ever pay off the debt
is servitude. It is servitude by device. Just because someone has rename
a debt, an obligation, to meet their own agenda does not make it true.
Senators and Congressmen do it all the time. Thus, goes the way of the judge. Just as the plantation owner did in the old south before the civil war. A result of servitude or financial slavery is the same no matter what you call it. Exactly what the constitution was written for, 13th Amendment. Servitude by any other name still stinks.
All that is going on here is that everyone is complaining, wasteing time and nothing is getting resolved this way.Why don’t we all just get together and do something about it? Perhaps a petition? Revolt? ?
Hi. I have been in arrears for years. It is impossible to catch up. I became a US Citizen, only to find out about the passport denial law when I got denied my passport. I am very upset at this insane law. I cannot visit my mom, sister and brother in Europe. Where are the rights of the people? Do we have any? The passport denial law believes that by not giving the passport to the person owing the support stops the person from leaving the Country. No one would leave his own Country to avoid child support. I also like to point out that this law is not going to prevent people from spending money on vacations abroad or inside the mainland. We should all get a petition and fight for our rights. Our Country fought wars to be free and we want to continue to be free, but not like this.
What about those of us who can’t work and are getting f’d over because of that? I, the mom of 5, served this country, but was released from the military because of several mental ‘defects’. I can’t work with people. I am qualified to do nothing. Do you know how hard it is to be kicked out of the military during wartime? I’m that messed up in the head. I have custody of two of my kids, have no income and the state won’t help me because I am staying with a friend to stay off the streets with the kids that I do have. My ex that wants money, makes 70k a year. The Army f’d me over and didn’t give me disability, which I need. So I can’t work, I have no money, I can’t get benefits and my ex is loaded and now if I don’t pay up, I’ll get arrested and lose my kids that I m trying the best I can to care for. I was paying when I could, but I can’t afford it anymore, with no income. Does this sound fair and ok to you? Am I supposed to be punished for shit that is beyond my control? My mental illness didn’t pop up, until after I had my kids, so shit happens sometimes and it’s not always the non-custodial parent’s fault and they don’t always have a way to fix it.
My husband pays his child support regularly whether he wants to or not because th state automatically takes it out his pay checks (which he has NO problem with at all). He is unable to get his passport because he was unable to find a job, and even after telling the courts he was not working, they were unwilling to lower his payments. The state of texas doesn’t care about the fathers in these situations. Even if you’re paying or if you tell them you can’t, they don’t care. My husband was honestly looking for work and unable to find it, but the state didn’t care, they continued to assess him at $500+ a month for a child he hasn’t seen in over 12 years. I have only seen the child myself in pictures and we’ve been married for almost 7 years. The child support system is horrible and unfair to fathers who are actually trying to do what’s right for their children despite having ignorant baby’s mothers. True, there are some father’s out there who refuse to help with their children like idiots, but what about the one’s who aren’t refusing and paying on time, but fell on hard times that were not their control. It’s a burden on the men and it’s a burden on their new families. I had my bank account frozen during the time that my husband was out of work and was unable to supply my child’s needs because the state didn’t want to listen or care that he wasn’t able to find work. Who cares about my baby’s needs? It’s not our fault her dad got behind because nobody would hire him. So why should we suffer. The state of texas and I’m sure most other child support agencies suck!
The Texas Atty General is an evil wicked organization of tyranists. The whole child support system is set up to make money for the state(Millions yearly) and the attorneys and judges. These people have no shame. They take the children from the dads then stick that father with child monthly support payments to support the mothers lifestyle!!!!! Wicked!!!
The problem is with the wicked system and judges and not most of those who simply can’t pay the WAY over-priced child support payments.
The only way to get this law change is by having the system in mass chaos as the jails in California. Many people were incarcerated for the most idiocratic things; and now the courts have ruled their release due to the conditions rendered to inmates. The state budget help also. Complaining never gets anything done. The system is designed to entrap people in order that those who control it prosper. The way I see it protest has never fixed anything in this country, only harsh methods. These laws endangers the lives of women since it forces males to react out of desperation such as murder-suicides, hurting the wifes family, and those responsible for putting the fathers on a denial list such as the childsupport workers, judges, and those enforcing the judgment. Those people in power have a lot too lose since they can jeopardize their loveones. We can see the excalation of violence over the years on public servant. Silent, sneaky, and lethal is a great motto to get the fear back in those who violate the freedoms of our great country. Socialiste are the ones destroying it. With fear things can change. Our government gave us 9/11 in order to install more fear in the inhabitants for total control over our freedoms. Our rights are shrinking by the day. Our constitution clearly states no one shall be imprisonned for debt. Organization must be formed in order to fight for paternal rights before more violence erects from this ordeal. Our government has jeopardized many broken families with the possibility of major violence. Think about this: when cops are called it is after the crime has taken place.
wow. i am a mother of 2. a legal resident alien here with my son. my ex husband had received my daugher cause i am not a us citizen (yeah nice explanation). they based my child support on my income i had when i filed for divorce(which was due to physical abuse), a month later i lost that position and my income got cut in half. they did not adjust it cause divorce was not final. so i was never able to pay the entire amount i owed cause i also raise a son, with no child support (his father lives in a different country) and my son has a lot of medical expenses too.
so now i am owing over 2500. i a not receiving taxes, they take the money out of my check, 250 every 2 weeks for one child (and he works for the state makes more money than i do. i only bring home 500). so now i am loosing my home, cause i cant pay anymore for the rent with that money i have left. and i have no family here. and cant travel back to my country to give my son a home cause i owe back child support. so how is that fair? yeah i need to pay for my daughter, but they calculate in that he pays support for his 2 kids, but they dont calculate in that i raise a child with no support. that aint right. and these laws need to be adjusted,
the child support law is basically a way to deprive u.s. citizens of whats supposed to be a constitutional right but or society has turned it into a joke, i see why were so hated as a country!. Not fair when you pay support and arrears and still denied a passport.
It’s all about greed. ALL the government agencies are working together. I understand paying for your kids but I think it has gotten out of control. With the way the economy is and not alot of jobs out there, how does one live and pay the outrageous cost of child support. God forbid you have arrears to pay cause you will never get that paid off. The interest that they put on that is outrageously high. You are paying on the interest before you pay anything on the principal. Don’t you ever wonder where all that money goes? I do! It’s the people at the top! Government gotta have their hand in your pockets some how. It’s just an example of how our government has failed us again, again, and again. It’s not for the people but for themselves. They are the ones not worried about loosing their jobs or their homes. We are. So if you think they are your friends, just the opposite!!!!!
I am amazed at what I’m reading. Women who can’t afford to have children shouldn’t trap men into having babies that these men don’t want. If you can’t afford to have a child then don’t give birth. One women even had the nerve to state that these men should have vasectomies. No I think you should tie your tubes and stop having children you can’t afford to feed. When a man leaves a woman or doesn’t want to be in a relationship anymore, women become angry and child support is simply a way to control these men. Many of these women are angry, bitter and unhappy and people can’t understand why these men have NOTHING to do with their children??? STOP dragging them into court to get support for your shopping habit. Since women make the final decision to have a child with or without the man’s consent they shouldn’t be pissed off when they can’t get money. The law needs to be revamped - especially for women who choose to have children out of wedlock. If you can’t force a woman to have an abortion they you shouldn’t be able to force a man to pay child support for a kid he never wanted.
By the way the above-referenced statement was made by a woman-NOT A MAN. I am a women who truly believes that men are being screwed by the system. The government makes the money on interest and families are being destroyed. Women need to start closing their legs and stop spreading their lies. Look at John Edwards mistress - she assisted in destroying a man’s family,she’s giving interviews, she slept with him on the first date (slut) and now she is being compensated with child support. Women like this SHOULD NEVER be able to collect child support!!! It’s the New profession. Why don’t we start teaching our young daughters to grow up to be baby mamas so they can collect a check. There are women out here that trap these men into having these children and they make more money than most professionals. Children deserve to be supported but their basic needs need to be supported - again - it’s child support - not alimony!!!!
Can someone tell me who the correct person is to write in regards to this insane and ridiculous law of passport denial? This NEEDS to change. And we NEED to start writing our law makers, congressmen, etc. to get this action started. I have custody of my children, I have paid, yes piad, over $90,000 in child support over 7 years and have arrears that are preventing me from getting a passport, which is now necessary for me to keep my job. The dead-beat mom hasn’t been able to hold a job, and has had no real reason to since every time she is unemployed, she takes me back to court to get more money out of me. And the courts grant this to her even though I have custody of my children. The courts are fostering and encouraging her to abuse the legal system. This MUST STOP. I am tired of getting screwed and hearing the same happen to many other good fathers out there.
My whole problem is this: if the father/Mother is not paying child support due to his/her own selfish reasons then yes, HE/SHE should not be able to obtain a passport. However, if there are forces outside of his powers that prevents him/her from paying child support, then the mother and father should come to an agreement…BUT, if you can’t pay child support then you should NOT be traveling abroad. It’s called priorities. And last, if the father/mother ARE paying child support, regardless of what is owed, if he/she ARE up to date and pays every month like he/she are supposed to, then I don’t see the problem in allowing him/her to travel FREELY. That is what makes America the once great land it was. Cases should be handled by who can and who can’t, who is and who’s not basis. Our gov’t cant base every cs case equally. it’s not fair and down right unconstitutional.
It’s a violation of a fundamental human right. What’s next……..parents who are behind with child support payments will not be able to eat beef (hey it’s expensive, remember priorities people)?? Or even better, will not be able to drink any ‘premium’ beers!! Sorry ladies and gents you will, by law mind, be stuck drinking Pabst (no Bud light for you!!).
It’s a very complex issue, that is seemingly dealt with on surface facts (and this is the world over). How is it, that we can have a tax system that manages to account for variations of many different aspects of a an individual, business, or even general economic circumstance, yet we try and fit a one-size fits all child support solution enforced on non-custodial parents. Ironically, often-times it’s this very financial support that is being used to fund a legal effort to prevent or restrict the non-custodial parent from being able to see their children. If we are to bullishly seek enforcement of child support arrears, then in the interests of justice should we not place restrictions on how that money is used??
Surely the best way ahead for legislative agencies is to first frame the issue:
1. The rules must support justice and be in the best interests of the children,
2. The best interests of the children are best served by having both custodial and non-custodial parents able to provide themselves and their children a safe environment to be with the children where able, and where safe to do so the children having adequate access to both parents, (the intent here is to ensure that adequate housing and the ability to support self is a priority for each of the parents before we enforce a set value of money),
3. Each circumstance is different and each requires it’s own investigation,
4. That errors are not good enough, and that a specialised court/arbitration is established to deal with these circumstances expeditiously,
5. That many problems can be solved through a process that is transparent, and where both sides can feel that the situation is as just as it can be,
6. It has to be linked to contact/visitation, or intent to provide for visitation/contact when it is safe to do so!! Clearly this would need stringent guidelines taking into account child ages, child wishes, etc At the very least there needs to be the same level of political will to identify and to punish intransigent custodial parents in a similar fashion to the will to identify and to punish ‘deadbeat parents’.
And that’s just a start…………………………….
I am a woman that is a single mom to a daughter. I make more than my daughter’s Dad. I also do the bulk of support for her too.
I see a lot of moaning on here. If you are behind in CS, the LAST thing you should be doing is travelling abroad. Sure there are cases where you should be allowed to travel because of your job, but vacation and visiting family? Tough! Let them come to you; get FB or SKYPE.
I have never seen so many people whine about paying support for their kids. I do not live like a Queen from CS. I do not live in a castle. Nor do I or my little one take lavish vacations. What CS does is barely pay for 2 weeks of her childcare. I cover everything else. So, yes, when we finally had the Judge rule on CS to her birth and he was $10K behind. I am not feeling sorry for him.
Everyone has a side of the story to tell. Everyone on here has made themselves a victim. I am sure the other side would not see it that way.
There is one person’s wife that was whining about the amount he had to pay and the arrears and hasn’t seen his child in 12 years. That is a shame BEYOND belief.
Hi I have deployed to Iraq 4 times in my 9 year military career, I looked the enemy in the face I have been blown up in 28 road side bombs survived over 50 motor attacks. All for the Red White and blue I have 2 sons my oldest has 2 preexisting heath conditions diabetes is 1 and breathing issues is the other. During no point in time that I was active duty I was behind in child support, but the deployments took a tool on me. So I got out March of last year things have been hard jobs a slim for a guy with a background of just killing. my son need healthcare which is my responsibility so I joined the national guard, and still searching for work my guard check is 385 a month but my child support is 895 a month so I ended up 2,895.00 behind with the interest added in, well I got a call 3 weeks ago that I got selected for this job 98,000 a year back and forth over seas working but I still get to come back and see my boys. Here is the catch I need a passport. Well I summated all the paper work and they kicked it back. All I have given this country and this is what I get back. I don’t care about no (left wing right wing crap) right is right and wrong is wrong. I have not seen my oldest son in 2 years and he stay in Dallas while im in Killeen. But while there making new rules to get the dollar. Make some for the dad that is busting his butt day and night to provide freedom for not only his kids but yours also Mr. Abbott. There is no special military help or anything. In short Women or men with no kids don’t make broad speculations on issues you cant fully grasp. Thank you for your time.
“Sandra” from the El Paso, Texas child support office on Hillard street said to me once…”I don’t care about your god damn kids, I don’t care about you or the god damn mother, we just want our F$%#in money into this god damn office”…True Story…Texas child support service is a cruel system…I do pay for Support and it is taken out of my paycheck and Im not running, but Sandra said the real facts…they don’t care, they only care about money so that they can look good on the books..
Okay,
I’m not sticking up for anyone, However, I do think there are much larger pictures than the ones being painted by most of the opinions contained in this post.
Just because the system deems them deadbeats, it doesn’t always mean they are.
While I agree it is absolutely fair to levy some sort of punitive action against true deadbeats, I ALSO agree that the system that dictates who that applies to is SEVERELY flawed.
I believe a deadbeat (not gonna give gender bias because there are a significant number of women climbing into the deadbeat status as well) is someone who doesn’t make any attempt to pay support and doesn’t spend time with their child(ren).
The flipside to that coin is that there are thousands of cases where the non-custodial parent is on unemployment, disabled, working for minimum wage or even in school while unemployed (like me) and still looking for better work. All the while, doing their best to provide for their children.
In my case, I spend more than the court allocated time with my children and have full custody of my oldest. But, I’m on unemployment and falling further behind with my payment for my other 2 because it’s too damn difficult to get it lowered. But at least I’m making an attempt to pay and I spend a great deal of time with my children.
Now, I have the opportunity to accept a job for a company that will have me traveling almost immediately but because I am so far behind I can’t GET a passport to accept the position in the first place.
Now how exactly is that fair???? And more importantly .. How does this help my children??? I don’t see it doing anything but hurting them in the long run … The system is set up to fail the children, not help them. The percentage of unwilling parents (deadbeats) actualy are a minority. The rest of us are just trying to better our lives to better benifit our children.
And who the hell was the asshole that put Texas in charge???? Tell him to to slap himself. He probably doesn’t even have kids.
My life partner of 14 years was just put in jail for one year for Criminal Non Support 2 days ago. This economy has made it tough for anyone get a job, but he is 60, and finding work is difficult even for 50 year olds now. But guess what - he had finally found a good paying job last month, was waiting for his first full check (they pay monthly) and the judge didn’t care. He planned to pay his ex $1000.00 for current and past child support as soon as he was paid. The judge actually said he should have been paying even while he was unemployed, so it doesn’t matter that he has work now. And since he was an independent contractor they were mad they can’t garnish his wages. Like he has ANY control over how companies hire employees or their policies for garnishment. So now he can’t be a father to his kids for a year, can’t work, can’t pay, has a felony and will have an even harder time getting work when he is released. He will be broken by the system by then.
And for all you asses who call people who get behind dead beats, have you ever been late on a bill? Ever lost a job through no fault of your own? Ever been ordered to pay more in support than you make in a month? This happens all the time because the judges and attorneys don’t give a shit if the amount they order you to pay is based on a vindictive ex-spouse’s lie. You can’t get it changed, can’t get it retroactively reduced. You are just screwed and can even go to jail. We don’t put people in jail when they are unemployed and can’t feed their families if they are still married to each other. Why then do we put fathers in jail just because they got divorced and out of an unworkable marriage? This system is corrupt, destroys families and needs to be dismantled. But the jerks who work in the system have a stake in keeping all these parents in indentured servitude - their paychecks depend on it.
Now my life is in shambles, just because the man I love was married to a psycho bitch from hell. I will miss him for the next year. And no, I don’t deserve to be treated like dirt because I love him and neither does he deserve to be in jail. I have two sons and I advise them to never have children in this country. Too dangerous to be a father here. I’d rather not have grandkids than see them be put through this hell.
This is all happening in Utah by the way. Where women are all in charge of the Family courts and ORS, and they are mean and hate men. I am female and I am ashamed at how we treat fathers.
Simple! They wont let you travel? Well don’t let them ravel. You need both parents to get a passport for a child. In my case if i don’t get my passport Baby wont get one and Mama can’t travel. jejeje!!!
These women are insane!! I read a comment about, men should be responsible before they unzip their pants?!?! Women have no responsibility in this? I am a father who has paid child support continuously since my separation from my ex. I was jobless for two months and asked my ex to tighten her belt for a couple of months until I was able to find new work and pay her back the months I missed. She refused to work with me and sent me to the state. I paid her $5000 a months for two years up to this point. By her sending me to the state, I have had a penalty, that is now at over $200,000!!! Three months missed in 5 years and because of fees and penalties, they say I owe her this money!?!? Thats crazy!! I have never missed a payment since and I am happy to pay for my children! It is my pleasure to make sure they are well cared for, but why does the mother have all the rights and is allowed to make all the decisions? Why is it the mother pays nothing for the children!! Just because you can produce a child out of your body, doesn’t make you a mother, just like being able to produce seamen doesn’t make you a father! It goes both ways ladies! Im sick of all father being bashed and never given any leeway! I really think $50,000 a year should have been enough money to take care of two children. The other $15K could not be worth over $200,000 in fines! Give me a break!
As a daughter of a lazy child support mom that did everything possible to keep us from seeing our dad and caused him to get fired from several jobs. I believe this deadbeat tactics are de-humanizing and a violation of our Constitutional rights. My mother spent as little as possible to support us pretending that our father was a deadbeat to get free services, food, money. She was a professional victim claiming she was beaten by my father and that is why she fled the marriage and that he would not pay. I could go on and on.
I believe that child support is a scam is it is an easy way out of a marriage commitment because you know you will get money no matter what. I know women that are having children with multiple guys to create multiple strings of income. Child support is the reason for most women to make easy money selfishly not thinking about the children raised in this abomination.
I live in East Africa now. Surely this is not justice. We all know it is unfair, but the system is the system. I don’t see my story here. For me I was living with my lady, working two jobs and had a small business. We had three kids and I never even heard about Child support. For me that was for poor people with money problems,and She had a twin sister who was in this category. The Twin convinced her to file a case without me knowing and she could get easy money because they never check. And she did just that, When they found me I told her to take care of it, cause I couldn’t believe with me living in the house, paying all the bills, and raising my kids, that somehow the system would twist this and start taking money out of my check without talking to me or checking where she lives. But they did just that, and when I went to court with all three of my kids in hand so the judge could see for himself. But getting there at 9am by 12pm my kids were too much to handle in the small court room. They were 2, 4 &6 years. So I told the lawyer to get me a new date cause I had to leave. When I went back to court the Judge said he didn’t want me to talk except to say how much I could pay. I was leaving for Africa in two weeks. When I got to Africa it was so peaceful, and so different from the pressures of BS America that I decided to stay a year longer. Now it has been 15 years, and I have a new family and take care of them. Here in Kenya there is no such crap as child support. Life is good, and any problems are dealt with by the mom and I together. No government interference. So later when I went to renew my passport after 10 years I was told about the Passport Denial program and that I was on it. I just throw the passport over the window and left the Embassy. That was five years ago, and I don’t ever want to be caught in that prison camp called America again. Good Luck guys, I feel for all of you. It is just totally unfair that the women is not put on point and the man always is. To be a real Father one has to raise his kids. To be proud of them and to know them you must live with them all the time. Anything else is insane and ridiculous. The Elite really are taking robbing the poor to a whole new level in America which is the biggest prison in the world. Living there is like walking a tight rope. One mistake and your freedom is all but taken away.
I think government needs to butt the hell out of family matters period. They cannot even run this country as to their oath of office. The system is bias towards men in general. This is nothing but a money scam, and then they claim its for the children. I have seen and personally in my own case, where the children were placed in an unfit environment and the childrens lives were in danger and it was documented. The court looks past that and looks to the one who makes the most money. Its nothing but debtors prison.Its totaly against the constitution.Its also in violation of 18U.S.C. sec 1981-1989. Look it up and see what the penalty is for violation of a persons un-alienable god given rights. Welcome to the USSA. Anyone that thinks this system is fair is a treasonist communist.
I know a man who was fully supporting his children even though he did not live with them and the wife did not work..she decided to apply for welfare so that the govt could pay the rent and give her foodstamps while she kept the money that the father gave her for food,rent and bills..when the govt caught up to the father he owed $20,000 in back support to repay the year and a half of welfare she received without him knowing.. plus $217 weekly..how is this fair!!! no passport, they emptied his accts even the college fund for his kids!
All I can say is wow. What many you don’t realize is for every deadbeat out there is someone else (or several) who is struggling to make these payments. My fiance is paying $6000 a month to his ex, who he divorced 5 years ago. $2k in child support, $4k in alimony. Both kids are in school but she refuses to get a job and actually work. He is working 3 jobs to pay her and still makes less than he even owes her each month, and the court will not adjust what he owes. Each month we fight jail orders and have to petition for another stay. We can’t go on a honeymoon because he owes money, even though he’s been to court each month, explaining his situation, showing court papers, etc. The judges sometimes sympathize with him but say there’s nothing they can do because there’s no income adjustment clause in his contract. Tell me how that is fair, please. I’m sorry your ex cheated on you, I’m sorry he’s not paying you when he can, but that does NOT mean every man who owes child support is a deadbeat. My fiance shares custody, spends more time with his kids than she does and would give the shirt off his back for those kids. Does she need $72k a year to live off of while we struggle and fear him going to jail every month? Please do not make assumptions as these situations all vary. My fiance is the kindest person in the world but has spent the last 5 years killing himself to try to make ends meet and make these payments. A lot of these men are really trying, and NO ONE will help them.
Here’s some points (jot them together).
01)Most divorce petitioners are the divorce-happy mothers (who are likely to have their “SANCHOS” lined up, before informing their unsuspecting husbands, that their marriage is over.
02)85%+ of the child custody are awarded to the “JUDICIAL BROKERS” who brings in lucrative business to local & federal governments (by raising judicial revenues, and creating jobs like Judges, Case-Workers, Attorneys, Police Agencies, Debt-Collection Agencies, P.I.s, etc etc)…Aside from being “Judicial Brokers”, the lazy wives are pretty much dependent upon new guys (like Sanchos), no matter how high she is educated or her wages are. She would end up as parasite, hook(er) to another man.
03)Behind that so-called cheating bastard husband..there is another woman involved (Eve of Destruction..a Lucifer’s disciple). They get to wear flashy, skimpy dress to ‘tease’ male onlookers…and have the nerve to complain sexual harassment, eve teasing, etc. Their glamor supposed to be reserved for their ’special soul-mate’…instead of being a centerpiece. Call yourself religious, but you can’t be dressed up like Nuns, Grandmas or decent women in your ancestral family photo albums.
04)Govt paid Judges, Attny General, Governor, Case-Workers, Police Officers all favor the divorce-happy mothers/wives, not just because she brings in the business, but also, awarding the custody to bread-earners (read ‘husbands /fathers’)would actually cost the govt to pay out child-support as welfare, in the hands of custodial fathers; after all, mothers as non-custodial parents, has much worse record of becoming “DEADBEAT PARENTS”.
05)”BROKER/PETITIONER” mother can falsely accuse her ex, in the family court, and BIASED JUDGE would take it for granted, punishing the husband. To collect Child Support from low-income wage-earning fathers, the corrupt laws created many agencies that are not “COST-EFFECTIVE” to American Tax-Payers. On the other hand, the desperate fathers are not given any legal assistance to help them with “FATHERS RIGHTS” (incl Child Custody, Visitation, Living Wage, Reasonable Child Support, etc etc). Instead the court advises the poor father to fight for his right (emptying the wallet) hire expensive lawyers and private detectives. Even these expensive professionals, seem to produce satisfactory & cost-effective results.
06)With DIVORCE everybody from Government to coward Sancho benefits, EXCEPT the involving ‘innocent’ children and their loving fathers.
Apart from losing 30~60% of his income (depending upon number of children), the non-custodial parent(mostly fathers)suddenly becomes that “Single Bachelor” again, thus losing that ‘preference/priority’ to get that house/apt rental, or that job opening. He now loses that Tax Benefits & Refunds, Loses the access to federal benefits & welfare. These domino effects can be suicidal, if he makes less than “LIVING WAGE”. A father I know, ends up having less than $800/month (after paying income taxes, child support, child health insurance and paying fuel & auto maintenance cost to visit his child who has been moved 300+ miles away, prior to divorce cases. He has been given only 9hours of visitation per two-weeks (that comes to 2.67% of child’s time each year. No other visitation (Father’s Day, Summer Vacation, Thanksgiving, Christmas, Winter, etc etc are given)). Now, with less than $800/month, he’s suppose to pay rent, car-notes, full-coverage auto ins, clothing, utilities, groceries, fuel cost to drive between home, work & grocery stores. God help him if he got smoking habits, or on expensive medications, union dues, monthly premiums. To fulfill his God given urge, he can’t even hire a whore (another women), much less getting married to make those crowd happy, who decry “No To Porn & Prostitutes”. Ask them if they know many good marriageable women, who are willing to marry “now broke” non-custodial fathers? Hypocrites. …talking about porn, Family Court turns a blind-eye to divorce-happy mothers shagging their “CHEATING PARTNER (aka SANCHO), but gets “SERIOUS” when these single & broke Custodial Parents possess Pornography. Another violation of Human Rights in American Family Court. That stupid BRADLEY’S AMENDMENTS secures “NON-EXPIRING CHILD-SUPPORT” that’s fantastic, BUT does that “stupid & biased” amendment guarantees “NON-EXPIRING CHILD VISITATIONS, that the narcissistic ex-wives (sometimes along with their Sancho & family)are violating? And yet, Another violation of Human Rights in American Family Court.
07)Even when the child in custody, reaches the age of 18 or 21, s/he will likely to move to distant colleges to pursue higher degree; and then likely to find a soul-mate, and eventually settle down. They won’t have much time to be with their POOR, AGING, EVER-LONELY FATHERS. Summary :- Honesty doesn’t pay, CHEATING does.
American Lawmakers & War-Mongers, fix your own Human Rights & Foreign Policies first, instead of pointing fingers at others. Your time of “DIVIDE & RULE” has reached it’s end. For every innocent dying & victimizing with your(American Lawmakers & Govt Officials) unjust & un-Godly policies (from proxy & fabricated wars to unfair trade practices), may equal number of your close families & friends bears the consequences, Amen.
It is not always a man who owes child support. I am a Mom who owes money. I was addicted to Meth for many years. I finally got my life straightened out. I am now a 4.0 student and earning my degree so that I can become an addiction therapist and help others. Needless to say, during my earlier years I fell very far behind in child support. My daughter has moved here now, but I still pay on the past due amount. I needed to go to Mexico for a surgery that I cannot afford in the US. I cannot go because I cannot get a passport. I guess I will be better able to pay off the past due amount once I am dead. The law does not make sense. At the very least it should be ammended to allow for provisional passports to be given for work or medical reasons. I do not have any thing to take after I am dead. A dead person does not make payments. The law is counteractive!
Wow…little old thread here but google is ur friend I guess in my case. I have experienced the passport denial program 1st hand. How? I walked into the us embassy in Thailand to renew my passport only to be told my passport was revoked for non payment of child support arrears of more than $2,500. They issued me instead….a limited validity passport stamped for return to the USA only within 7 days. That was a huge issue for me as a last minute ticket back to the USA was over $2,000. More important was the fact that my Thai wife and 2 year old boy did not understand what was going on. Faced with this dilemma I had only 1 choice….I complied. It is the law after all correct? Just one problem with this however….I had no kids back in the USA. Not ever! My social security number had mistakenly been entered into the Ohio Child Support Enforcement system….a fact that took 10 months of going to juvenile court in the city of Cleveland to determine. Oh I went to court a month after getting back to the USA….only to have the prosecutor not show up. It happened twice. Hire a lwayer to take care of this? Been there. Done that. For an additional $3,000 I could have. Anyone starting to see what’s wrong with this picture??? HUH????
So after 10 months, all I received was a HUGE apology from the CSEA and Division of Jobs and Family Services. I could of course seek retribution thru the use of an attorney. My passport was immediately cleared from the CLASS lookout list from the Stare Dept. and I received a nice new shiny blue book.
I did nothing. Not a effing thing. Your great ‘land of the free’ system treated me like a common criminal.
That was 3 years ago now. I have been happily living overseas ever since. I guess I do not need to tell you my opinion of your laws and what the USA has become. Suffice to say….they’ll have to kill me….to ever get me to set foot on USA soil again.
You don’t understand why bother quoting the Constitution and posting about “rights”. Right to travel? Slaves have no rights. Whatever pretty ornaments you want to put on it that is what this is about. The slave may not leave massa’s plantation without permission. This was common in the old South and it is more common today. It is not slavery because it isn’t based solely on race oh and we don’t call it that. I guess a piece of crap stops smelling bad if we force everyone to call it rose in this day and age huh? Cue legion of people screaming about responsibility, etc. WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING? Putting men into bondage…. oh you think you are doing it for a really really really good reason but yes, that’s what you are doing. You are a slave trader - at least have the guts to admit it.
it’s so harsh… It’s inhuman… it’s laws of jungle…
Imagine… I have been ordered to pay child support arrears for my Ex wife amounting $ 100,000.
to brief you about the whole ordeal…
My ex and I got married and divorced in my country of origin Jordan, where she had filed for child support,
but because the monthly payment was not acceptable by here she consequently to go for ” Forum shopping” and kidnapped the child from me and headed to USA and filed for Child support. I was shocked to find out about that when I went to US. Embassy to renew my PP. they revoked it and gave me only one valid for 30 days one way passport to us homeland.
I couldn’t go back to us because I am supporting a huge family and indigent
I am hardly making it. Don’t have any money to buy milk for my kids no savings no money to pay for attorney, and still my passport is revoked.
for God sack how am I supposed to pay and what about my rights of my abducted child by mom what about my civil rights and human rights and child right to see Dad.
I lost all my money to pay for lawyers who just are .. full of
What can I do
Any idea.
God please help me…
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